/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>71346160
Cut the EN branch entirely, fold what few talents are worth saving into JP. Go full ID

>>71346454
This, unironically. The investors are already speculating on the title again, they just want EN out, too fucked up to expand, literal sink of money that ruined their marketz

>>71346454
I hope they keep Vox then. I don't think he's actually worth saving at this point but I don't want the vermin who watch him to flee to other communities and contaminate them.

>>71346610
I imagine they'll only keep talents that speak nip

what exactly is the purpose of folding EN into JP, do they get Japanese managers and higher quality support?

Represent a drastic change in management to shareholders
Lay off bad management, restructure, Riku steps back into an advisory role citing time for a 'planned' leadership change etc
That just stems the bleeding but allows the optimistic to cope
They're never going to do this of course

>>71346160
What do you mean "halfway through" ? It's already mid-March, so they have at most 2 more weeks

During that time there will only be 2 3D debuts from Obsydia. The Viet con and the Singapore concert are held in April so those won't count

Tl;dr Q4 will end horribly. And Q1 next FY will follow the declining trend if they fail those 2 events. The best they can hope for is a good start of FY2025 and maybe launch the long-waited NijiEN concert to get some revenue back

>>71346804
Cutting losses, preserving revenue streams. Any talents that still make money should be preserved, especially if they speak nip and can be easily slotted into the existing management structure

>>71346160
Prior to the release of today's Q3 report I felt Nijisanji could still potentially course correct with big changes and making a show of them. This includes terminating the bully group, complete management overhaul from the ground up and actual visible commitments to support their Livers, event and 3D support, etc. Also, probably a public apology to Selen and Zaion and maybe even offering them ownership of their old models as a way to smooth things over.

Even if Riku didn't make these changes, I am convinced he is about to bail, and I feel a new owner could still make these changes and rebrand the company.

After seeing the Q3 results, I no longer believe anything can be done, even with the best management and most sincere efforts in the world. NijiEN was ALREADY crashing in Q3, and that is before we even saw the impact of Selen and Pomu both leaving. Their Q4 results are already essentially cooked. We could be looking at a 50% to 75% revenue crash for Niji EN in Q4. Niji EN simply cannot recover from such a disaster - the branch will be starting from zero or close to zero, and they will be weighed down with "black company" reputational millstone, on top of most of EN's remaining top vTubers being implicated in the bullying or other terrible behavior, on top of an absolutely psychotic female fanbase making it very difficult for any reboot to appeal to males.

How do you fix this? The answer is you don't. And they know it, because EN was invisible in the Q3 report. Niji EN is going to be either folded into JP or just wound down entirely, it's just a question of when they decide to do it at this point.

>>71346804
>do they get Japanese managers and higher quality support?
lol no
it just reduces anycolors cost on them while still retaining some revenue

>>71346860
The Singapore concert is already written off as a failure because it is twice as expensive as Holofest.

>>71347063
oh so it's less improving quality of life for the remaining ones and more just firing the absolute shitters

>>71347166
Wtf, do they even have 3D?

>>71346860
>>71346160 (Me)
Unless I'm very wrong, but February 1st to the end of April is Q4. That's what I mentioned by halfway.

>>71347173
If they do what they did with NijiID, they will be thrown into JP with no support of any kind. Petra and Rosemi might be the last 3D models NijiEN will ever have.

>>71347166
Wouldn't you know that developing in house recording and editing capability eventually pays dividends. You gotta spend money now to retain competitiveness later.

>>71347112
>How do you fix this?
They can try and paint Selen as a lying whore and then spin the victim card.

>>71346860
The financial quarter is Feb-Apr, so they still have a little bit of time to try to un-shit the bed. The Vietnam and Singapore shows will count for their Q4 numbers, and so will Millie's new outfit.

Mind you, the bed was shat by an elephant who had been given Filian's laxatives, and the only tool they have for the clean up is a single q-tip. But they do have more than 2 weeks to clean up the shit. And Q4 will include whatever ticking time bomb False is sitting on

>>71346860
>What do you mean "halfway through" ? It's already mid-March, so they have at most 2 more weeks
Q4 is February through April so they have 6 weeks.

>>71346160
Duh, lie in the report

>>71347299
I see

>>71347231
No. It is a glorified karaoke relay.

Their best option would just be abandon the EN market, EN already see them as this evil corpo and it’s spreading to lawyers and big content creators who are also spreading it so it’s very likely overseas companies are seeing the backlash too.
Also considering their EN branch can’t even keep their fucking heads down during this speaks volumes. They’re a poison that needs to be cut off. JP are already talking about this too

>>71347394
>spoiler
At this point it'd be a nothing burger compared to what came before.

>>71346160
Rebrand to NijiCN, keep Vox as the resident White Monkey

>>71347112
> Also, probably a public apology to Selen and Zaion and maybe even offering them ownership of their old models as a way to smooth things over

Not gonna lie anon, that's a lot to ask for the black company. That's like asking Cover to revive Rushia (Not saying Cover is black, I'm just comparing the level of absurdness the advice for Anycolor is)

>>71346804
Basically EN would cease to be "broken out" on the financial reports and expenses (personnel, any assets, etc) would be cut. The top Livers would be allowed to continue under the aegis of JP and ones like Vox, who still have some views and subs, might even get a little support. But my expectation is three quarters of EN would be graduated or leave on their own within a few weeks of the announcement.

>>71347424
Good luck explaining the lie to Japan's counterpart to the SEC

>>71347354
They have definitely been trying this, the NDF has been working hard. But it clearly hasn't worked and isn't going to work.

>>71347518
I 100% agree, this is what I think could have theoretically been used to turn the company around but we all know they will never do it. Of course none of this matters now, Q3 is already basically showing EN is already a zombie branch and I think even big actions like that are no longer enough.

>>71347354
They tried that already, twice. Once with the termination announcement and again with the black company stream. It didn't work at all.

>>71347354
Sweetie, the real world doesn't operate by internet drama rules. The only thing the shareholders care about is their return on investment, and all you're suggesting is an excuse. Businesses don't get to pull a "victim card" when speaking to the people investing in them. They have to have a solution or everyone is going to sell.

They could invest all their revenue in crypto and hope it works out somehow...

>>71347789
>NDF has been working hard.
shitposting can't alter the grim reality of nijisanji

>>71346160
Nothing that wouldn't be a legal liability.
People want them to publicly apologize to talents and acknowledge their shit EN management.
No fucking way that's going to happen.

>>71347979
>acknowledge their shit EN management
Well Riku did promise to "be better at handling EN branch" and did the whole "Every member is irreplaceable" speech so I guess there is that

Whether he actually plans a restructure or just a PR nothing-burger speech to stall investors and sisters' time is unknown until there are more NijiEN big events like AR concert

>>71347979
There's a way to restructure EN management and say that you're doing it without admitting any fault at all. You might need a PR person who isn't a college student being paid minimum wage to pull it off properly though.

>>71347518
>That's like asking Cover to revive Rushia
They can unironically do that by stating they've rehired her on the condition that she regularly attends therapy and takes care of herself.
Would 100% generate interest in the company too, as people would want to see what's going on. Probably reframe her image from a "menhera GFE" to "mentally ill girl trying to get back on her feet".

>>71348134
We're way past the point where a good speech can turn things around. The time for a speech and modest course correction was after the Zaion termination. After the Selen disaster, they'd have needed to make a big public show of terminating the wrongdoer and apologizing to Doki and Zaion and explaining in detail the management changes that would be implemented to regain the confidence of their fans.

But none of that happened or will happen, and looking at these Q3 results it's probably too late at this point to save EN. They will be starting from zero and will have to spend millions to rebrand and overhaul the branch, the process will take years, and even if they do everything right there's no certainty of success.

Which is why EN is doomed. It's just a matter of when Anycolor acknowledges reality at this point.

>>71346160
Who cares about finances lmao. They should be worrying about their reputation instead.

>>71346804
Rebranding. Nijisanji EN's image worldwide is already as fucked as Hololive's image in China.

Genuinely? Nothing can be saved this year.
But if they start doing something now, then most likely they can rebound next year.
But they have to first admit to themselves that this year is done. Use this year to rebuild.

That's where the problem lies. Because their rivals aren't going to wait for them. Look at Holo, a lot of announcements that is already spanning until next year and it's obvious they still aren't done.

>>71346804
Kotoka and Meloco are Japanese, already have a history of collabing with JPs, and even when they eventually do become full time JPs there is nothing that would stop them from using English in their streams to their hearts' content.

>>71349095
>That's where the problem lies. Because their rivals aren't going to wait for them. Look at Holo, a lot of announcements that is already spanning until next year and it's obvious they still aren't done
Their rival doesn't have to be Hololive, their rival is the company dying. Also they are still comfortably ahead of anyone in the number 3 spot and starting now would be a good way to ensure they don't fall any further. They can try competing for #1 much later.

>>71348233
But that costs money and won't bring immediate results, so they won't.

Everything we've seen suggests Nijisanji is fucked up from the top to the bottom. What's going to happen is actually really boring: it'll die a slow, quiet death without much fanfare or exciting explosions, because so far management has proven an inability to actually address problems and showcase a desire to resolve them.

The only reason Nijisanji is getting any attention at all is because we all hope they're going doing something else fabulously retarded that we can all laugh at, like a monkey doing a circus trick. They're at least competent enough to recognize doing the retarded shit gets them laughed at, so they've stopped putting on that show, but they also still don't understand WHY it gets them laughed at or what they're doing wrong. They're just going to sit there doing nothing until the money dries up and they fail to attract new audiences. All the while, their newest generation has been poorly supported, has poor viewership, and there's little motivation for anyone to want to apply for that job while there's likely multiple existing talents who want to quit.
Would love to watch another nijisanji shitshow unfold, but instead just going to see a boring, quiet and gradual death of a company that has no idea what it's doing.

>>71346160
"On March 31 we will distribute one coupon to every shareholder. This coupon will entitle the owner to 10 minutes of unsupervised in-person time with the liver of their choice. For example, if you own 3 shares you can redeem 3 coupons for 30 minutes time with one liver, or 10 minutes with 3 different livers. Spending time with multiple livers at once will likely not be possible due to scheduling conflicts. There will be distributions of similar coupons in the future so make sure to buy and hold on to your Nijisanji stock!"

>>71347394
Kek the Viet event is in the cheapskate con known for being a complete mess, with fujos painting the mirrors with used tampons.
Should be an interesting time.
>>/vt/thread/70365932

EN is constantly generating bad news for Nijisanji. Even having them on the financial report is a huge embarrassment every time that's chasing investors away. If it was just the main branch it would look much more successful

>>71348446
>big public show of force
This and the failure to address the opposing messaging from EN makes Riku look like a weak leader that is not in control of his own company.
He would have needed to go full machiavellian weeks ago and fire like 1/3 of the EN management/organs also adding in some of the innocent ones in as well so people don't get to comfortable in their position.
Then reorganize/rebrand the branch with a swift and steady hand.
This is not contained to EN anymore. It's complete leadership failure across all layers.

>>71346160
Merger with Brave

>>71346160
Use the large amount of cash the company has laying around to gamble on the stock market.
>inb4 generate profits from the buzz around holofes

>>71349939
The funny thing is that some of Cover's shareholders actually asked for something similar to this - as well as one guy asking for Subaru to make personalised content for his kids. Yagoo politely told them to fuck off

>>71350738
They spent all their liquidity not to long ago on stock buybacks. They'd have to issue more stock and tank their price.

>>71346804
Cut down on redundant management cost, force out uncooperative talents, boost investor trust by refocusing on reliable revenue streams (JP market)
>Does all that mean anything concrete?
No, its just shuffling assets around, but It may be good for stock prices

>>71350300
Nah, I don't think it'll work.

>>71349801
I think it won't quite be as quiet as you think. I think we'll see Riku resigning in the next few months, continued graduations, and possibly EN (which is what we all really care about) being folded. And of course there will be the horrible Q4 results that are coming.

But in terms of catastrophic yabs on par with what happened to Selen, I have to think those at least will stop. We'll just be seeing small petty stuff like what happened to Scarle.

>>71350977
You may take out livers who don't stream at all.

>>71351095
Only if EN gets folded. There is nothing stopping the yabs to become bigger until there is serious consequences. Riku may just do that, then leave next quarter.

>>71349004
Rename NijiEN to NijiIN just so they can cheap out and reuse the old branding.

>>71346804
Other anons touched on it but the biggest thing here is that you won't see an EN revenue split, since it'd be hidden inside of the Nijisanji label. Granted they're still putting out statistics for ID despite the fact it's been dead for almost years now, but it would be their smartest move.

That being said, it's still a dumb move. They shouldn't be in this situation to begin with.

>>71350902
Did they? I read earlier that they only spend around 1/3 of their war chest on the buybacks.
Might be wrong though.

>>71351149
Well you can do that anyway, there is no special magic action they only get when they restructure

>>71346804
Also if there is no EN anymore they can launch a new english-speaking overseas branch without the baggage.

>>71346454
I'm 50/50 on this
For one, Niji EN acts as a containment for the tard side of the vtuber communities but they also serve as lolcow to laugh at at this point

>>71346160
Make Elira, Enna and Millie sell their bodies to the investors.

>>71349555
>Also they are still comfortably ahead of anyone in the number 3 spot
They aren't, not in the EN market. Even setting aside VShojo, who have a different business model, their viewership is fairly comparable with Phase Connect now.
They have a much better commercial platform, but that will only go so far in the face of diminishing enthusiasm for the branch.

>>71350029
They have to take their medicine on that one. EN performance was heavily trumpeted in their reports at the height of Luxiem's popularity, and their growth projections off the back of that did impact market sentiment.

>>71346804
Toss everyone involved in bullshit out of NIJIEN
Slash NIJIEN for a good six months or a year
Reopen NIJIEN, but this time the name is NIJI WORLD or something like that.
Only keep the non-stupid talents.
If anyone falls out of line or pulls and Uki or Elira, either suspend them HARD (not stealth suspension) or graduate them.
Check anything graduation or termination related before posting it. NEVER use the word "NEGLIGIBLE" again in official stuff.

>>71347112
Whole bunch of text when we all know Riku is gonna grift this business.

>>71353345
>Check anything graduation or termination related before posting it.
literally just don't publicly badmouth the talents that you represent or have represented in the past
absolutely retarded conduct for a talent agency

>>71347354
That's not how you fix a business by trying to find a public scapegoat. The company needs accountability for its choices. Can't be a snake after the fact this is the biggest problem with all thr scum who support Niji. Why won't anyone believe our lies? Boohoo it's so frustrating.

>the report has not yet include the Selen debacle
Oh man oh god

>>71353717
Which NIJI JPs YOU think should get saved by Hololive?, there's gotta be one at least worth the effort. I mean, just look at Luna.

Unironically they need to release the talents who want to leave instead of slowly ripping off a band aid. Rrats are ready to tear them a new hole everytime this occurs in the foreseeable future. Their is no 'easy' way to change their image, only leadership choices. We know who they have decided to keep.

>>71350300
Buyout by Sony (they don't have enough agencies yet)

>>71349555
>>71352965
And not in JP either. For details you would need to ask numberanons but from my understanding Vspo has become quite strong too (at least avg. CCV).
Niji has a shitton of livers but they are mostly 3views and even 2views.
Even the old guard with big names like Hoshikawa and Chima are often only hovering around ~2-3k CCV. That's small corpo/indie numbers. It's not 2019 anymore and the barrier to entry for vtubing is way lower now. They are getting eaten from below and don't have an unique selling point like Holo has with the 3D concerts/Idol stuff that can only be achieved in a big corpo setup.
When people talk about Niji being big it's about brand deals, merch and the market cap.
But at the end of the day you need to get the foundation right or it won't work in the long run. And that means getting livers and streaming right.
Unforunatly that is also were most of the issues come are (management/support).

>>71351400
that's not Niji ID (the branch), it's an ID system for their website for buying merch and tickets

>>71346160
Terminating Elira with extreme prejudice would probably win them a large chunk of public opinion.

I doubt it'd actually resolve much in the way of the internal problems, if any, so it'd just be a matter of time until the next yab (potentially involving a fatality), but in the short term, axing her seems the only way forward.

Best solution for everyone involved, however, would be to simply fold the EN branch. Maybe they can hope for expansion in CN or something to keep the appearance of potential growth.

>>71353971
Rosemi 1 and 2 (Maria). Petra, too, if she wants. Forget the rest

>>71354380
Elira's position in the branch is a direct result of managerial incompetence, both with NijiEN and with whoever is responsible for them in Japan. Firing her will do nothing to address the fundamental issue there.

>>71353345
I don't think what you're suggesting will have a long-term positive effect, it's just rebranding. The big problem is that there isn't enough staff to keep everyone in line, if they fire everyone and once again let talent manage talent (which becomes a necessity) the same shit will happen all over again.
Even if they hire someone that can write PR messages.

>>71348265
The best advice Rushia can receive, is to actually stop, take a break, do internet detox for like a year or so, realign your headspace like haachama did and what you want to do with your career and after that MAYBE plan your comeback if you want to. That’s what Mel did after she got terminated and post her apology, albeit she does not need that long. Wait for the dust to actually settle before coming back

Unfortunately, she does not and will not follow these advice. When Rushia got terminated, she immediately jumped to the first lifeline provided by using models created by her fans. Cover have zero reason to believe she will actually changes and do something about her tedency. I imagine she actually does that before but she got away with it, until she cannot do

>>71354218
Its recession for every tech companies. They don’t have much appetite to do much things, they even spun-off Prism Project already

>>71354380
>Terminating Elira with extreme prejudice would probably win them a large chunk of public opinion.
I don't think that's as popular position as you think it is. Sure here and on reddit a lot of people decided to paint her as Shadow Manager Queen GURRAT, but a lot of people that were watching or reacting to that (including a lot of the comments in the video) thought it was the company using their talent as meatshields. Firing Elira is a gamble, because normies might interpret that as them using her as a meatshield and discarding her - which will result in a lot of bad press.

>>71354292
>you would need to ask numberanons
You mean the people who thought Anycolor's actual results were projections because they didn't know how Japan denotes fiscal years? It's a Hololive Global spinoff thread with some of the dumbest tribalmonkeys on this board.

>>71354945
Well, feel free to check your prefered source of streaming metrics.
Just saying they do have nice statistics on CCV and Superchats in their threads.

>>71354828
Elira is so hated by the general public that they managed to kill career in media completely for the rest of her life. She's dead weight at this point, so not really that much of a gamble.

She isn't solely to blame for their problems (if indeed at all, as I've my doubts about the GURRAT), but she's pure poison at this point. She was stupid enough to think doubling down on an attack against a popular suicide victim was a good idea though (or at least weak willed enough not to say, "Fuck no! That's goddamned retarded!" - though somehow no one else was either, which means everyone with any say in this branch has been fundamentally broken by its culture.)

>>71354945
>It's a Hololive Global spinoff thread
I'm offended on behalf of /hlgg/.

>>71354380
>Terminating Elira with extreme prejudice would probably win them a large chunk of public opinion.
You're biased by spending too much time /here/. I think that would fuck them over just as hard. Another termination is a guaranteed PR hit. Her getting terminated basically gives her to option to give her side of the story. Loss for Niji, win for Elira.

>>71355519
Do not confuse /here/ with the rest of the internet. These are the Top 5 post in Khyo's comment section on the video reporting about the black screen.

>>71355920
this means they have to keep her in the basement?

>>71346160
for some reason I thought this was part of the slideshow

>>71348922
Anon, bad reputation leads to bad finances in this industry. If yabs are big enough to show up in the financials, that’s really bad. We are definitely still talking about their reputation.

>>71354828
>>71355519
It wouldn't work. The GURRAT is still mostly theory and while people may hate Elira, people distrust Anycolor WAY more. It could easily be interpreted that Elira was forced to make a response, as some people alreadt think that in the comments shown in >>71355952 . Besides, executing practically your EN daisenpai for sympathy points isn't gonna make up even close to the money they lost already since February.

>>71357240
The only way one can save the bulk of the company is overhauling EN management and kill the GURRAT once and for all going forward by discarding favoritism and making sure opportunities and things are mostly meritocratic. The disconnect between what EN did with the black screen video vs what Riku and JP corporate did gives them enough plausible deniability to do this preserving the company, but it has to be the JP side that executes this, it can't be whoever is running the EN Twitter account announcing this like we've seen previous times. The upper management and C-suite and talents get preserved in this case and you've thrown nameless people out the window. But if they don't do this or fail to actually execute on the turnaround, then Anycolor has no out. Bonus points if they can negotiate a joint statement with Dokibird even if it means they would have to admit wrongdoing and possibly give money, but it would be worth it because that will win back people to come back and support the company.

>>71346160
Don't worry the impact of Q4 will be negligible

>>71353971
JPs? I don't really watch them but I'd be terribly sad if Nui's model was lost. Her 3D performance of Bakunyu Ondo still lives rent free in my head.

>>71357713
>f they can negotiate a joint statement with Dokibird
I can't see this being a possibility; Doki has nothing to gain from doing so.

>>71355952
While that's true, and any talent company worth existing would have stopped her from making the statement herself, even if she had begged to do so, the general consensus abroad seems to be that Elira is still scum for betraying her coworker, and has by far and away lost more subs than anyone else in NijiEN.

>>71346160
Hire Mikeneko and have her collab with Kuzuha

>>71357941
This is inaccurate. Elira would be the overseer.

>>71358119
If by "abroad" you mean /here/ and a handful of people that have been exposed to the GURRAT. I think mainstream opinion is that it's really Anycolor whose at fault for the blackscreen video, specifically EN management. The connection that Elira is the management is not known or rejected because people from English speaking countries default trust individuals over companies.
It's easy to play through the logic of it and see that she must have been complicit to some degree to ever allow that to be put on her channel (even going as far as saying she volunteered her channel) but it's not hard to believe the angle that it was forced. Especially after the details of the contract and the fact that Elira is in Japan is brought to light.
The TL;DR is I don't know if simply terminating Elira is going to necessarily improve their reputation. It certainly wouldn't on it's own, unless... they bullet point her transgressions and those include being a primary perpetrator of harassment (implied against Selen). I don't know if they'd do it.

>>71358088
Yeah, which is why I said bonus points. She has effectively moved on with her fanbase. If this was done fresh off the bat, there could've been a possibility she would've taken it but after the black screen stream, it's close to zero. The only reason she would do it is if she wanted to join another JP corporation for some insane reason and having that statement would make her hirable to a JP company in that circumstance.

>>71357240 (Me)
>>71357713
I don't know, while I think a management change and a apology to doki (and maybe sayu, I don't watch her but she clearly needs closure of sorts) would patch the main hole in this metaphorical ship of a branch, I don't think it'll be enough to have it not sink. There's still plenty of minor controversy they've sown up till now, and bare in mind this is trying to recover BEFORE Q4 ends (or June at the latest.) I think the optimistic, yet unrealistic outcome in this scenario is that NijiEN is rebranded during this to wash some of the bad rep they got. Though personally I think they still fold.

Everyone can speculate about the problem.
We all know the talents are basically running the branch themselves, and management is minimal. The problem really is Enna at the end of the day. It's always been Enna actually. The inclusion of this person in the branch was a huge mistake, it's no mistake there are so many problems manifesting when she's involved.

>>71358724
I think ideally, they would have to terminate some people too like some of the males for having break or broken some rules and possibly they would have to make an internal appeal to the remaining people to stay on but some would also inevitably leave. People generally don't stay on or join to do turnarounds even though most love hearing about stories about them because it's a feel good type thing. But in reality, it's grueling painful thankless work to go from negative to someplace positive again that only pays off at some point in the future that would take years. Most people won't do that unless paid very well.

>>71358924
Don't forget Kyo played a major post in this

>>71358088
Doki is in all due likeness ghosting them because she has nothing to gain. Even if she is interested in helping some good apples in there, she would just tell them to leave because her grudge is with the Corpo.

What can Riku possibly offer to her that is worth all the trauma he gave? The talents need her to clean their shit, but they can "always leave" right?
Maybe once they are indie they can hope for something, but the corpo has to die, facts.

>>71359226
Forget it. Uki did the best assist ever acknowleding he knows Daphne.
If Kyo is smart, he is gonna debut and continue his life like Niji never existed, having fan with Kuro. If not, he and his 3numbers will find no more job.

>>71359226
Kyo is a snake but he recognized the mongoose. Considering their interactions I have no reason to believe that if Enna told him to jump he'd ask how high.

>>71358924
>Enna
>Not acknowledging Millie too
Let's be real all of Ethyria was the biggest mistake ever. A bunch of nepohires that found out a place where there was no moderation, and could be bitches together.
Riku never cared until those with the money makes him care. And all he has done for now is damage control, not fix. And he will never will, he's in for the profit.

>>71352965
>their viewership is fairly comparable with Phase Connect now.
not really
phase only has pippa while still has some few livers that can get 3k
hell when phase was included in the raspberry tally at the request of phasefags wanting equality they dominated the tally easily

>>71358602
>I think mainstream opinion is that it's really Anycolor whose at fault for the blackscreen video, specifically EN management. The connection that Elira is the management is not known or rejected because people from English speaking countries default trust individuals over companies.
Nah that was the mainstream opinion back when the black screen started mostly because people were hopeful elira, vox or ike would suddenly resign and say that they were forced to do the black screen stream or tweet hints and clues that they were forced. After nothing of the sort happened a lot of people realized that maybe they werent forced at all and that maybe they were just damage controlling for themselves. Also doesnt help that multiple events after that solidified the favoritism rrat more and more slowly led to the death of the idea that Elira and company were forced.
You can even see that shift on reddit when you look at some of the accounts with comments that were trying to use that argument a month ago and compare it to their recent comments now.

>>71358602
By "abroad" I meant not /here/ obviously, again, she's hemorrhaging views at several times the rate of anyone else. That wouldn't happen if it wasn't at least a case of, "The company might of made her do it, but she's still scum for not refusing". She's basically complicit in what looks like an attempt to get Selen to finally do the job right.

It wouldn't save them, but it'd do more for them than any other conceivable action... But yes, I doubt they'd do it, as it'd mean admitting they did something wrong. It's not only the fact that they aren't willing to lose face, but the fact they actually still believe themselves to be blameless.

On the other hand they are obviously REAL quick to throw talents under the bus to take the heat off management.

>>71358088
I suspect she'd do it, for enough money, but the company would be opening themselves up to so much liability by doing that as to make it a non-option.

Best you could get expect them to do is donate a few million to a suicide prevention charity coupled with an apology to Doki. Maybe make some empty promises such as "sensitivity training" for the talents or something. Not that I expect to see anything like that coming from them either at this point, lest Riku fired absolutely everyone but the talents. In their eyes, they can do no wrong, it's just a "misinformed" public at fault.

>>71360449
>You can even see that shift on reddit when you look at some of the accounts with comments that were trying to use that argument a month ago and compare it to their recent comments now
Anon the vast majority on r/Nijisanji don't even watch Nijisanji, it's essentially a hatesub infested with dramafags and twitter users. People /here/ watch more streams than the average r/Nijisanji user. The people who used it for watching Niji left awhile ago.
>Nah that was the mainstream opinion...
The mainstream people - in fact most of the people who watch Vox, Ike and Elira - do not come here or on reddit. You will not get their opinion from those places. Don't get me wrong, Elira has lost a lot of subs, but that is mostly people being disgusted by Nijisanji, not by her in particular. If she was to suddenly pop up somewhere, a lot of those people will by default be willing to check her out (when they find out about it).
>>71360524
Same as the other guy - everyone is hemeroging viewers, Elira more so than everyone else, but I'd wager this has more to do with the company, than with her.
>On the other hand they are obviously REAL quick to throw talents under the bus to take the heat off management.

>>71360449
Most of her fans are hung to that delusion that she is completely innocent and the corpo is holding a gun to her head, which I can't wait for it to be shattered. Even with the Visa problems there is no way there is nothing she can't do to at least show some form of support.

She choose to go full corpo just like Vox.

>>71361308
>The reddit is made of dramafags
And yet only they are there, and you can check their history to prove they are not all anti. But of course the narrative that helps you best sis huh?
>Nah the mainstream bla bla bla
She got lambasted by flesh people and there is not a day Niji doesn't get crushed. Only your doxxforum talks good about it. If she returns she will be supermoderated for years and still lambasted for not taking a stance.

It doesn't have to do with the company anymore. Doki may have said to not attack them but the truth is they have not left neutral, Petra and Scarle are still getting bullied, they just left alone their previous victim becuase she's not a target anymore.
Typical 1 to 1 bully behaviour if you ask me.

>>71361309
>>71361309
If that leaker is real (which I doubt) and Nijisanji hired proper PR guys to couch relevant parties, then I expect her to come out with a proper statement that at least offers the bare minimum excuse required for her audience to stay with her, while wishing Selen good luck (as a good PR move). If the leaker is real and Riku hired proper PR guys to deal with it.

>>71346160
bring back the proud japanese tradition of harakiri for fucking up something as easy as appealing to weebs overseas and not being a bunch of kikes.

>>71360123
Pippa gets a higher, more consistent viewership than any Niji now, but the second tier Phase girls are easily in the 1-2k range alongside many Nijis.
In terms of raspberry, it's quite the opposite, NijiEN are comfortably ahead of Phase since they were added.

>>71361687
The most realistic outcome is Elira never mentioning the incident again, like everyone at NijiEN. Their best move is to pretend it never happened.

>>71346160
Open NijisanjiPakistan and start a global jihad on other vtubing companies

>>71363763
>NijiEN are comfortably ahead of Phase since they were added.
....for now.

>>71363763
Nah there are still more nijis that get to above 1-2k range than phase girls
>In terms of raspberry, it's quite the opposite, NijiEN are comfortably ahead of Phase since they were added.
lol no raspberry tally had phase dominating it the only reason why niji is dominating is because rie and remilia gets raided now

>>71361308
>Anon the vast majority on r/Nijisanji don't even watch Nijisanji
nah you can actually filter out dramafags with jaded fans because literally see the old posts of some of the actual disgruntled ex fans
hell even in the black screen stream there were a ton of members in the comments lambasting here and not giving her an excuse

>>71346610
>I don't want the vermin who watch him to flee to other communities and contaminate them.
The only reason why Vox is probably still in Nijisanji is because he knows deep down that when he leaves, his fans won't follow because they're all braindead chinks from bilibili that ultimately care more about Nijisanji than him and would just move on to some JP liver that fills his niche

>>71346160
nothing lmao

>>71361687
>Leaker is real
We are at such a point I don't believe they will ever try to end things neutral. The only reason they stopped bullying her is because bullies hunt for victims. Doki is too protected now.
Leaker clearly had no idea what the shit was he talking about, they are desperate and definitely unable to even comprehend what works in the west. All livers are currently working for the corpo to promote their JP toss or shares.

>>71346160
Force Vox, Elira and Enna to perform seppuku, but they each have to do a trust exercise gameshow to decide which other liver will be their kaishakunin.

>>71364514
They are all ex-fans now. they waited for so long for things to change only to get banned and stuff. Nijisanji wants only positive engagement, even if they do nothing with Reddit.

>Enna has streamed 3 times in the last month
>Millie has streamed 1 and everything else is over a month old
>Reimu has had 2 streams in the last month
>Petra has had 2 streams in the last month
>Meanwhile Rosemi and Maria are pumping out streams
Clique really went into hiding, huh?

>>71369754
I can't see Petra being part of the clique, I think she's just done.

>>71369998
Petra and Elira are good friends anon.

>>71370091
NTA, but this is why I don't give credence to the accusations against Elira. Woman is friends with both Petra and Pomu, she can't be a bad person.

>>71369754
Petra is gaslighted that Elira is her friend while they don't invite her out and treat her like second shit.
I really hope she is planning to leave just as Rosemi, some times out of the gas chambers will do good to her.

>>71370253
You can be a good person with evil friends anon.

>>71370253
Sure, and the fact she has more merchandise than JP while earning less and that nepohired all their friends is just a coincidence.
One can be friend with a good person and be a piece of shit. And in case of Petra, the poor girl got gaslighted into thinking she's Ethyria when she is treated like shit.

Just look when her 3D is. Ultimate humiliation. Bet Elira will also just waltz in and make it about herself and she will say thanks.

>>71370253
Anon, you need to learn to accept that good people can be friends with bad people, either from them being together for so long you grow to ignore/excuse the bad traits or the other is good at hiding them to the good person
There's also the (admittedly) smaller possibility that Pomu and Petra might not be all that good either

I will state this now to avoid any confusion: just because a liver/talent is in the clique doesn't mean they are a bully or a 'bad' person. It simply means that they are friends with bullies and people, such as Elira, Vox, Millie, and Enna. They benefit from being in the clique.

>>71370725
>Benefit from bullies
>Good people
That's not how it works. I get you want to defend the people you like, but faking they should not be taken accountable for that is not ok.
If they want to distance themselves, there is the Rosemi way, or leaving.

>>71369998
Yep, the imminent mogging of her 3D by her own agency is also proof that she's decided to leave. She'll probably graduate before the end of the month, or mid-April at the latest.

Stonks open in 47 minutes.

>>71370926
That wasn't my point but fully agree with you. We are on the same page.

>>71346160
Absolutely nothing they can do in 6 weeks
>Concert/big event
They just had nijifes. They basically need to sellout Tokyo Dome on multiple days. Getting venues/permits/security/advertising/ticketing is impossible in 6 weeks for the scale of event they need to save their ass
>Big Merch run?
Logistics is an issue, nearly all the same problems as a big event.
Best thing they can do is turn into a JAV company and start getting the girls to cosplay as their vtuber model and get gangbanged by major shareholders. They could even use the yacht for location shoots.

>>71370725
The Gutenburg trials roleplay that /vt/ did is an excellent example of this: >>/vt/thread/68908473
How do you decide who's innocent and who's guilty based on their friend groups? How much of a blind eye are you allowed to turn before being declared guilty?

>>71370445
>Just look when her 3D is
this is actually the one of the most evil things niji has done because not only will she have no mindshare due to holofes she wont even have a mindshare in niji only discussions since nijisanji also has an event on that day

>>71370725
Hi Reimu

>>71371254 (Me)
Oops, I meant Nuremberg.

>>71370725 (me)
I probably should have worded this better. lol

>>71349939
wtf. that's like treating your talents as strippers in a strip club lmao

FIRST STEP!
No yab for two months straight

>>71371658
>livers incapable of ignoring twitter bait
Impossible

>>71346160
Considering that the JP Bros are now starting to dig, we may see even darker things. Could imagine there is some JP branch dirt that went completely above our heads too.

>>71346160
>Meanwhile in a timeline without Ethyria
We're currently halfway through Q4 for Anycolor and with the Q3 reports looking very lucrative it's all smooth sailing. Also Pomu debuted her first 3D concert, a statue of Vox was erected in China and Rosemi discovered the cure to brain cancer.

>>71346160
We're midway through quarter 4 already. Anything big would have had to be announced in quarter 3 or beginning of February. If the reaching the forecasted numbers is actually that important though, AnyColor will need to announce a bunch of "big" events with merch involved. I believe it's using accrual-accounting the last time I check, so as long as the business receives enough payments in the next few weeks, AnyC could save its numbers. However, it's going to significantly increase liabilities (debt) due owing products/services. I remember having a lot of debt/liabilities being okay with US companies, but I don't recall it being the same for JP corpos.

>>71372250
How's Zaion doing in your timeline? Is she one of NijiEN's top earners, possibly outdoing Luxiem/Noctyx?

>>71372269
JP Corporate sector is in an overall downturn currently, so it is indeed not the time for debt/liabilities. Investors will take note.

>>71372335
Sponsored by Dee's nuts chugging along nicely not a runaway succes but not bad, nice stable figures for merch and ccv of 8K. Kotoka fired for moonlighting in JAV when a previous worlk involving a goat, 2 dogs and a snake surfaces.

>>71371741
Then maybe they should not be allowed to use Twitter for a while

>>71372644
Excellent, thank you for your reporting!

>>71372644
>Kotoka Fired
>Mel Saved

Damn seems like a win win timeline... we can only dream of....

Since thread has been completely derailed, whatever happened to Chae Ara? She still streaming or did they manage to run her off the net? I understand Moarin is in jail.

>>71373235
>Mel Saved
I'm sorry anon, it was a Phase Connect collab.

>>71352547
>Millie
You want to assasinate the investors? Who would want to fuck that.

>>71357941
Brutal man, Nijisanji contract do be like that

>>71372671
Judging by Scarle, apparently they can't be trusted to ban people in their chat without making a scene either.

>>71369998
Not part of the clique methinks, but definitely had a hand with helping out translations and manager duties.

>>71370445
You do realize that none of those things were decided by Elira on her own, right? Everything that as big as that needs to be ordered by the higher up management. If she's so powerful Pomu wouldn't have left because she could just agree to do Pomu's stuff in stead of the management from the higher up. In reality, there's nothing she could do. You talk like you know anything but in reality you didn't even check what happened in the background, purely from just watching drama reports and the rrat here.

>>71351259
you should be promoted for that brilliant idea

>>71373235
Oh sorry Mel retired and got married to me. We have 2 kids, a dog, a comfortable house in the sticks away from the lime light. We also have a 20ft yacht that we lease out to Kotoka's "photoshoots" with many ojisans

>>71375770
Ayamy pls stop lusting after your daughters and wanting to impregnate them with your non existent dick

>>71374932
Yeah tbf I doubt Elira herself was responsible for these things, but you can't deny that management heavily favored her for almost 2 years for no logical reason. She didn't have a crazy high subcount compared to others, nor ccv, nor donos, nor merch sales. So no clue why she was so heavily favored when it came to merch and promotion.

>>71374932
It will be amazing to read what happened behind the scene, if someone decides to disclose at some point.
>>71376754
I think that's a revisionism, the only girls bigger than her were Pomu, Selen and Enna, this isn't to say she doesn't have an eyebrow raising favor in merch, but she wasn't a nobody either. Still, how did she end up getting so much merch? Did management like her because she was doing free work or soemthing.

>>71374932
Cope harder sister, at this point in the game your loyal retardedness is very commendable

Well this isn't looking good.

>>71378770
>He bought?
>Döömp ėėt

>>71379321
That poor son of a bitch.

>>71378770
Literally rivaling the Costa Concordia, and people actually died there. You KNOW you fucked up when you get that bad

>>71379321
>He listened to Goldman Sachs
NGMI

>>71376971
This will be a case study taught in management, marketing, economics and business degrees at university, for at least the next 10 years at this rate. To go from market leader to imploding in the state of 4-5years? Absolute insanity

>>71378770
Bagholders, your defence?

>>71379570
And contract law

>>71379710
Nah. They'd have to have an actual contract to look at and not just toilet paper with a vague draft on it.

>>71379321
This dude had it even worse.

>>71379321
Poor bastard dumped $12800 on Anycolor.

>>71378770
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaCiLBsxKh0

The stock drop party is @ 26.6 Finanas and climbing.

Meanwhile the nijijannies are deleting the stock threads.

>>71379321
lol what a retard

I'm laughing at this whole thread of schizophrenics saying shit like they'll only recover if they apologize for firing a menhera or they have to absorb EN into JP like that would ever work.

JP does not care about Selen, they will not apologize for shit since they have nothing to apologize for except HoloDrones and faggons screeching like retards

>>71380219
Riku will have to apologize again to the investors, sister

>>71380219
Your company is dead, sis.

>>71379942
I mean that's a lot for the average person but it's not a death sentence. Just dump and minimize losses and move on, chalk it up to a life lesson. Might be able to write it off on tax as well. Don't know Japanese tax code well enough

>>71380219
I feel you, tissues are at the back sis

>>71379942
How are people this fucking stupid? AnyColor is speculated to drop to around 1800 and the only thing that's keeping it at 2440 is the fact that it's literally impossible to drop more than 700 in a day. Imagine having a day as bad as this and going for a rerun tomorrow.

>>71380219
Sister the stock hit the lowest it could legally hit today...

>>71380219
Looking forward to Goldman Sachs' reevaluation in light of the latest report.
https://twitter.com/eviltape/status/1755666487166333335

>>71380219
Japan may not be the biggest Selen fans out there, but Riku will now have to find a way to explain to investors why next quarter ended up being far worse for EN. And this is all on top of a consistent decline for EN year-on-year.
If you actually care about your oshi, you better pray that they aren't in Japan and can get out of Anycolor quickly. Because things are going to get extremely dark real fast.

>>71380425
>going for a rerun tomorrow.
you mean monday.

>>71380313
DYRBI? I figure he's going to sell off his shares take the golden parachute out of the company before the Q4 report and investors meeting in June/July.

>>71380477
Right, yeah. Going to be a fun weekend watching HoloFES and whatever desperate ploy Niji cooks up to try and avoid their stock sinking even further.

The Yacht is indeed sunk, lmao.

>>71380598
W-Wose and Petra 3D surely...

>>71379861
Holy shit, a bagholder caught in the wild

it would be fucking wild if Anykara will be this year's .LIVE, which would leave COVER monopolizing the vtuber industry

>>71379861
he bought? dump shite

This is the best news to end the week with. Bonus points for the fact that Doki's views are already falling off, I wouldn't be surprised if she's a 3view just like the rest of them in a few months.

>>71378770

>>71380818
don't use my oshi to falseflag you retard

>>71379570
A MagnatesMedia Video, An Internet Historian Video, A South Park Episode

>>71380818
Lol, okay sis.

>>71380658
Imagine being Petra right now with all this pressure on you. Can't be a fun time.
>Have pretty regular 3D debut
>Get some decent viewers, Niji crowd is desperate for a win so might even be pretty good (imagine if it's actually bad...)
>Have to explain to corporate why you failed to drag their company out of the ditch
>Get yelled at for wasting their 'investment'
>Angry gook middle management blames you for all this because they're literally that deranged

>>71380940
>>Angry gook middle management blames you for all this
You mean Elira

>>71378770
negligible bros?

>>71346160
>Q3 reports looking very dire BEFORE accounting all the controversy.
Wait, so this report doesn't even reflect the Selen shit?

>>71381018
Nah she's in JP, Elira is too busy polishing cocks to compensate for the damage caused by black stream to pretend to be management.

>>71381088
Selen's termination happened at the beginning of Q4. The next report is going to be fantastic

>>71380875
Do you not want Niji and all of its associated talents to fail? Are you a sister or something?

>>71380940
What pressure. Like seriously. She doesn't have stock, she makes no management level decisions, she doing a 3d that in her own heart she knows is going to get BTFO. If I was her, go do the 3d, enjoy your fans that show and let the chips fall wherever because this certainly has nothing to do with her.
It's like the janitor at the Anycolor offices being blamed for this sorry state of affairs

>>71381088
yes. selen was terminated in early february, the report goes until 31.1.

>>71381088
YUP

>>71381184
kys

>>71380869
Honestly the memes are the only good part about /biz/.

>>71381088
This report reflects just the lack of investment, promotion and development throughout 2023 (which undoubtedly played a part in Nina/Myste/Pomu graduations and Selen getting terminated) The biggest hit is still coming.

>>71355952
When the black vid first came out, I was part of the group that thought they were being used as ablative armor because I always thought those three were Selen’s friends. I thought management was using her friends as a shield so the Dragoons would hesitate to attack them.
Then Vox opened his fucking mouth.

>>71381184
I want them to be NEGLIGIBLE. Not fail, because there's a chance their shitty fandom will infest other corpos and indie circles.

>>71381251
For Q4 we have:
Selen termination
Niji outing the bullies
Uki racism
Sayu's contract leaks

>>71381184
I agree, there's no space for ex niji roaches in the vtubing space

>>71381209
>What pressure.
Corporate looking over her shoulder.
>It's like the janitor at the Anycolor offices being blamed for this sorry state of affairs
Anon. They're a legitimate black company. You think they wouldn't blame anyone else, including the janitor, for their shit?

>>71379321
F

>>71379570
Glad I'm here to witness history with you bros. Pouring a white one out for Uki.

>>71381331
And False's nuke he promised.

>>71380219
gonna cry?

>>71380219
wipe your tears sis
i know reality can be hard to take

>>71381331
And, allegedly, False's big reveal

Not a biz guy but from what i'm hearing, even if no yabs had happened in nijiEN, the overall financial reports of anycolor were already shyt? We just only got to know about it yesterday?
If so it sounds like they were already damned and NijiEN was already on the chopping block.

>>71381331
The actual impact of Pomu graduation also falls in Q4. There's also missing valentines on many of their big EN players. Enna's birthday made less than half of what she made last year so that's a pretty bad sign.

>>71381279
And not only opened his mouth, but talked the longest out of anyone there.

>>71381088
Yes. Yesterday's report was for Q3, which spanned from November 1st to January 31st, which at least had Pomu's graduation. This new report will cover everything from the first of February all the way to April 30th, so we're technically only half way through. And Riku will have to explain everything that went down throughout this time in June/July.

>>71381289
>Not fail, because there's a chance their shitty fandom will infest other corpos and indie circles
But that's already happening with Doki bringing her shitty nijinigger fanbase with her after reincarnating as an indie. So, if you actually want them to be negligible, you should want her to fail and become irrelevant just as hard as the rest of them.

>>71381475
Start the Eclipse, we need to throw another liver under the bus to save ourselves.

>>71381331
Wouldn't be surprised if we get more Cons denying Niji guests.

>Survived the suicide attempt
>Survived the slander
>Rallied allies from indies, to drama news channels, to actual literal lawyers
>Passed the clique in subs and shat on them on revenue
>Crashed Anycolor stocks with no survivors

HOW

HOW DID ONE WOMAN DID SO MUCH

>>71381475
False has been gradually reducing expectations. I'm sure it looked like a bombshell in early January, but at this point it's probably a fart in the wind.

>>71378770
kek the Yahoo Finance board autists are having a nuclear meltdown, it's going brrrrrrrrr right now
a lot of bag holders just realized they fucked up

>>71381510
Updated list for Q4:
>Selen termination
>Niji outing the bullies/black stream
>Uki racism
>Sayu's contract leaks
>False's impending nuke
>Valentine's void
>Loss of Pomu

>>71346160
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>71346160
Who made this meme? The whole idea of rock bottom is they were digging through dirt and can’t go deeper cuz they hit rock, you can’t dig rock with a shovel that’s why it’s called rock bottom, doopid

>>71381524
Ogey sis

>>71380219
Fellow Sister, is it raining indoor? I also cannot see the screen from all the tears and snot coming out of me. Sister, what should we do from now on? Let us keep up the good fight like Vox said!

So can shareholders sue Riku for fucking everything up?

>>71381644
I wonder if Doki is even aware of what's going on. She might just be living her life of streaming and projects, blissfully unaware of this implosion.

>>71381491
yea- recall that about a month ago goldman sachs said to buy niji expecting +30% growth
NijiJP missed that (was only like +23%), and NijiEN was -40%, which is atrocious

>>71380438
You do realize that Japan is bordering on a recession and the stock market is so bad right now that even the Japanese Yen is going down in value. Interesting that Anycolor still is worth more than Cover though

>>71381331
Also Luca's contract and NDA violations, whatever bomb Falsi is planning to drop next month; and any other yabs which happen between now and April 30, including but not limited to any graduations or terminations which will happen (and they WILL happen)
Oh, and all of the EN talents missing at least half of February, especially including Valentine's Day (aka Akasupa Day), and over half the talents STILL in maintenance mode.

>>71381491
Basic summary
>Several big talents were leaving the company and some of them even talked shit about the state of affairs leading to their departure
>AnyColor had little to no investment and future development throughout all of 2023
>Took down a major MV by their biggest EN female talent on Christmas
There were some pretty big red flags for 2023 already but people still expected decent performance for Q3 especially compared to how bad Q4 is looking... and now it turns out Q3 was already going really badly so they don't even have a buffer for the catastrophe that's going to be Q4.

>>71380940
One time a talent didn't meet up to their expectations they made her write down all the things she was doing wrong and had her read to the whole board of manager oji sans and they critiqued her. I hate Niji but I don't want them to do this to Petra.

>>71381687
Fuck
Updated list for Q4:
>Selen termination
>Niji outing the bullies/black stream
>Uki racism
>Sayu's contract leaks
>False's impending nuke
>Valentine's void
>Loss of Pomu
>Removal from Offkai and HYTE collab
And we're only halfway through Q4.......this is going to be good

>>71381722
Yes
>>71381815
Next week they should be lower than Cover, wonder what effect that'd have on the market.

>>71381416
Anycolor tried to nuke False's channel with copyright strikes
False promised to nuke Anycolor's reputation in return

>>71381491
Any numbersfag knew it was going to look like shit last year. The previous 2 quarters had been garbage, but this quarter was abysmal. Every metric has pointed to a massive downturn NijiEN, SC rates, CCV, sub growth, etc for the past year.

>>71381815
>Interesting that Anycolor still is worth more than Cover though
nijicope

>>71379996
>Subscribers-only mode

>>71381815
If that recent hail mary (the last time Anycolor went under 3000) is anything to go by, people within the financial institutions were invested into their stock, and saved it to save their asses. A rise like that reeks of market manipulation, but it is not rare such adjustments are made. Stocks are often overpriced, especially if heavy players have their fingers on the scale.

>>71381821
Fuck fuck fuck
Updated list for Q4:
>Selen termination
>Niji outing the bullies/black stream
>Uki racism
>Sayu's contract leaks
>False's impending nuke
>Valentine's void
>Loss of Pomu
>Removal from Offkai and HYTE collab
>Luca's numerous contract/NDA violations and proof of favoritism

>>71381754
>She might just be living her life of streaming and projects, blissfully unaware of this implosion.
she's just been streaming resident evil 4 for the last few hours, she probably has no idea

>>71381585
Elira is standing in Femto's position, she should be on whichever finger Void was standing on as the leader.

>>71381838
That was an artist. But they probably do this to talent as well. I imagine the last month they've been using every technique they know on Elira.

>>71381815
that's because Cover has actually done a lot of reinvesting in their own company while Niji hasn't.

>>71381986
You forgot the Aster/Scarle drama anon

>>71381815
The JP total market is up 22% YTD and more YoY. Maybe there's going to be a recession, but its not reflected in the market yet.

>>71381855
Pre-Emptive Scarle Graduation/Termination

>>71381815
the stockmarket literally surpassed its alltime high like 3 weeks ago you dumb fucking SEA nigger. Its never been better lmao. Yes. Japans in a recession, but the stockmarket is fucking booming, the previous record was from like 1989.

>>71382052
don't worry, so did most people

>>71381994
I didn't mean just that, I mean everything - the clique barely streaming for a month, Anycolor getting in yab after yab after yab, stock slowly dipping down and down. All of it.

>>71381754
Probably going to be somewhat aware but I imagine she's keeping herself busy with work. I imagine she and some friends might have a toast to the state of Niji tonight and looking forward to cheering for Moom at FES.

>>71382052
I don't think that would have any major financial impact (yes I know Scarle is a major SC farmer but her supporters aren't the ones cancelling her)
Also I'm too lazy to add to the list

>>71382052
>>71381986
also the second Scarle drama with starbucks

>>71381926
The funny part is that it's only worth more because they hit the price movement cap. They would be worth less than cover right now if it weren't for the market restrictions.

>>71380425
>"Riku-Sama...A second drop hit the Yacht."

>>71381986
Kyo graduation is also going to hit them. Don't really know much about him or if he was even significant or not but he did graduate in February.

>>71382119
she likely only knows just enough to be able to avoid getting sued by them
she's clearly much more focused on rebuilding her career than anything else right now, even the "rest" days on her schedules are work days for her

>>71382197
I still don't get what the fuck is the boycott even about. Like how does it work or what did starbucks do? People say something something supporting israel attacking gaza but all I see when I try to look at the nit and gritty is starbucks actually losing a lot of profits from the conflicts in the middle east

>>71382295
Kyo was LK btw.

>>71382295
He was negligible and hopefully he will continue to be negligible

>>71382295
It's wild how forgettable Kyo was. Guy existed to cuck aloupeeps and dipped.

>>71381947
Think he was getting concerned by people chatting in Engish, he seemed confused about why foreigners were watching.

>>71382197
>>71382357
dont you think that was more about EN management FINALLY getting back at scarle for the kurosanji comment? you know, when last time the suits walked in, saw the mess everywhere and walked scarles stealthsuspension back because of the backlash? starbucks stuff actually didnt matter, EN just decided to use the opportunity to put Scarle into place.

>>71382357
It's retards on twitter, that's really all there is to it. I think they're blaming Starbucks for breaking up a union that was using their name in some pro-Gaza nonsense.

>>71382357
Like all Twitter Boycotts, Moral Grandstanding.

>>71382295
As much as he gets hated on (whether it is justified or not, I'm not sure.) He did have a notable following for a liver after Lux/Noctyx.

>>71381838
>made
What are they going to do, threaten to fire her? If the c-suite wanted leverage over Petra, they needed to use it a year ago when the company still had any chance of not collapsing.
>You have to come to our office so all our talentless hack executives can yell at you
>"no thanks."
>y-you're stealth suspended!
who cares?

>>71382116
You can literally just look at the stocks for Japanese companies yourself, they're either still going down or are going up by a small percent. The stock market is definitely not booming, stocks in recessions are hard to predict because that's how recessions work

>>71382295
Kyo's graduation is like adding a pebble to a pile of boulders.

Imagine throwing your reputation under the bus for the sake of a company that collapses a month later.

>>71381369
I just spit in their face. You're expecting one girl to go up against the might of the entire roster of heavy hitters from a rival company and succeed? Black Company or not they still live in reality

>>71382682
I'd like to believe Petra has the spine to do that, but Niji picks from a certain stock anon...

>>71382944
>Black Company or not they still live in reality
Good one. If they lived in reality February wouldn't have happened the way it did. You can't say they still live in reality after the black stream and expect me not to laugh my ass off.

>>71382724
or we can look at the nikkei?

FUCK ME I TRUST MY SISTER AND BOUGHT
I don't even watch vtubers

>>71381838
>>71382036
Not only to an artist, they did it to Shiina, from NijiJP, too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADjz9U9nCGA

Meanwhile Based Mindset is covering the crash in his new png set-up in preparation for his own vtubing model

>>71347112
>Even if Riku didn't make these changes, I am convinced he is about to bail, and I feel a new owner could still make these changes and rebrand the company.
Didn't JP's profits go up? Liquidating EN and making Elira the face of the corruption is the best option.

>>71383130
this sounds like bait but ill laugh at you anyways

>>71383229
Kek, he actually got a model.

>>71383037
Fair point.

>>71383229
>scuffed debut
some things never change

>>71383130
Rest in peace anon. Never buy stocks blind.

>>71383130
>sister
The joke writes itself.

>>71381815
Retard chama, the Nikkei 225 went all time high since 1991 so you don't even know what you are talking about. Cover would be fine because its foreign branches are bringing in money compared to Anycolor, whose foreign branches closed one after another and its last one on its last legs. Nice try, Paki-chan. Your intelligence is really showing, need to get better next time.

>>71378770

>>71383229
People still listen to this guy after he went full retard twice? Just sit here and laugh at the JP bros self-immolating over AnyColor's laughable performance and the comedic downfall of negligiblesanji.

>>71382357
>SWU(Starbucks Workers Union) retweet a post supporting Palestine right after the Hamas attack.
>People are disgusted by this; start boycotting Starbucks thinking they support the Hamas attack.
>Starbucks comes out and says they don't support violence on either side and that SWU's views are their alone.
>They sue SWU for copyright infringement(using same logo)
>Since SWU is pro-Palestine, people see Starbucks suing SWU as them being pro-genocide.
>Boycott ensues

>>71383468
>after he went full retard twice?
qrd?

>>71383531
Damned if you do...

>>71378770
They had so much time to get out too. No pity.

>>71383430
You must really like spreading misinformation online

>>71383548
>Did a 'lawyer looks at Selen debacle' video, spends hours talking out of his ass about laws he never bothered to research, mostly just parrots shit his chat spoonfeeds him about the situation as it's clear he doesn't even know basic shit about the situation
>Actual Canadian lawyer has to put out a video correcting the record on all the things he got wrong (just about everything about the actual law) and makes him look really bad by doing basic shit like bringing up the actual laws he's talking about
>Does a video about a 'contract' that isn't a contract but a poorly translated draft document that doesn't even specify a venue. Repeatedly demonstrates utter incompetence in basic things like authenticating the document before talking about it
>Keeps talking about the document as though it's a contract and how it would apply in America
>ESL retards go wild about comical shit like 'wowow this contract says talents have to pay back a year of income if they get terminated' and make his entire audience look retarded (they are)
He seems to be competing with Niji in a race to look as incompetent and unprofessional as possible, and he's somehow managed to avoid getting lapped.

>>71384061
>the contract isn't a contract
It's completely and utterly proven by Sayu's failed gag order. That's the one thing you cannot debate.

>>71384057
>talk about the stock over the last 4 decades
>retard post pic about the last 5 days
Not the sharpest tool in the shed, are you?

>>71384057
>since 1991
>only shows past five days
You're a retard.

>>71381699
They brought an auger?

>>71384061
>>Did a 'lawyer looks at Selen debacle' video, spends hours talking out of his ass about laws he never bothered to research, mostly just parrots shit his chat spoonfeeds him about the situation as it's clear he doesn't even know basic shit about the situation
>>Actual Canadian lawyer has to put out a video correcting the record on all the things he got wrong (just about everything about the actual law) and makes him look really bad by doing basic shit like bringing up the actual laws he's talking about
I saw this and the Canadian lawyer literally went "Legal Mindset is right but in the Canadian Laws coverage, it's actually far worse than what he made it to be". So it's not even that he was wrong, but that he overlooked the severity of the laws broken. Primarily about how it's legal in Canada to record private conversations so long as one party consents.
>>Does a video about a 'contract' that isn't a contract but a poorly translated draft document that doesn't even specify a venue. Repeatedly demonstrates utter incompetence in basic things like authenticating the document before talking about it
>>Keeps talking about the document as though it's a contract and how it would apply in America
>>ESL retards go wild about comical shit like 'wowow this contract says talents have to pay back a year of income if they get terminated' and make his entire audience look retarded (they are)
Nahone. You don't watch the streams so I guess it makes sense as to why you're saying this.

>>71384165
See this guy for an example of one such ESL retard.

Sayu's failed gag order was undoubtedly a Niji farce but it doesn't remove his utter incompetence in failing to provide sensible commentary on the document he was discussing. Nor does it actually prove anything about the 'contract' beyond what we already knew (the fact that Niji are trash). You niggers shouldn't have doubted Zaion/Sayu in the first place after they did the fucking retarded laundry list of petty infractions when they terminated her.

>>71384061
Your connection to reality seems tenuous. Maybe you should go watch an old Vox ASMR to calm down sis.

>>71384061
>recycling the same shit for 3 weeks straight
>retards still believe them
Based grifter Lawyer said from first stream even if she could she shouldn't sue there is nothing to gain, that was for both sides.
Canadian Lawyer only confirmed some points since he's a lawyer in canada.
Every fucking week he has been saying that the contract can't be enforced because it was made by monkeys, they never bothered to hire local lawyers.
Go be retarded other threads sister, also buy the dip since you love them that much.

>>71384553
>Canadian lawyer literally went "Legal Mindset is right
No. He agreed with the basic fact that Niji was trash, which is the most basic and obvious shit.
>but in the Canadian Laws coverage, it's actually far worse than what he made it to be
Are you genuinely ESL? He literally contradicted him on basically every claim regarding Canadian law. I.e: Canadian law isn't shit and they won't do anything.
>Primarily about how it's legal in Canada to record private conversations so long as one party consents.
??? Yea this is reading like total ESL gobblediegook. No law was broken in this matter at all, because there is no law in Canada against recording private conversations, what the fuck do you mean 'severity of laws broken'??
>Nahone. You don't watch the streams so I guess it makes sense as to why you're saying this.
Please study some actual English before trying to continue conversing in the language ESL-kun. Your internet meme English isn't sufficient.

>>71384717
My point exact. You need to be pretty fucking ESL to read that post and somehow think "Ah, this must be a sister!".

>>71382682
>threaten to fire her
I somehow doubt she can eat a years worth of earnings, so yes, that'd be quite effective.

The penalties for termination are absolutely fucking ridiculous. (And apparently illegal in Japan, but good luck fighting it in court, especially while you are in Japan.)

>>71384872
>>71384948
>claims other posters are ESL
>can't read basic english
Sis please, your meds.

>>71378770
DOKIBLAST

>>71384405
>>71384497

>Talks about the Japanese stock market going into a recession
>BUT THE STOCK MARKET IS BETTER THAN IT WAS IN THE 90s

So fucking what? It's still a recession. Are you going to pull up the stock market of the US , put it on max then argue that because the stock market was higher than it was in the 90s that it means no recession will happen in the US next? Fucking retards

>>71384741
>Canadian Lawyer only confirmed some points since he's a lawyer in canada.
Anon, I get that you're retarded but we're talking about the law here, not basic shit any pleb understands about the law, but the actual functional law. LM got EVERYTHING wrong and that's why he got corrected. He could have avoided this by doing basic research, and he didn't even do that much.
>ESL-kun somehow watches the stream (yea, just admit you didn't, it's obvious) and reads the top part of that comment and still thinks LM did nothing wrong

>Every fucking week he has been saying that the contract can't be enforced because it was made by monkeys, they never bothered to hire local lawyers.
Which is retarded, because the document wasn't a contract in the first place.
>This piece of toilet paper that no one in their right mind would look at twice, let alone sign, is totally a relevant document to talk about because it's totally legit what they actually had people sign!
OK bro. Gonna take your word for it after you didn't even do basic legal research last time, and didn't bother to authenticate the document at all :^)

>>71384566
Anon, Sayu's document literally cites two specific clauses in the contract LM got, Article 22 Paragraph 1 which is the length of the term as a Liver and is specifically saying "notwithstanding that Article since this is your graduation letter", and Article 28 which is the "everything in perpetuity" portion.

I'm not disagreeing with you that he's a grifter faggot who should've been dumped the second after he had an actual leak as his worth ended there, but again, you can't debate this. The contract is either real, or Sayu's document is completely and utterly fake. You cannot have a mix of both, and you cannot believe Sayu's side without also believing the contract is true.

>>71384996
>N-no you!
Easy W.

>>71385204
>doesn't believe the leaked contract
go back to your doxxsite sister

>>71384969
>People still actually believe this shit
Anon, this is just a retarded myth spread by Elira fan sisters to give her an excuse for the black stream. It's absolute bullshit and you only expose yourself as being an ESL teenager if you think any adult would believe that shit.

>>71385287
It's always funny when retards claim Ws by replying to people making fun of them.

>>71385204
>>71385287
>>71385386
>a post per minute
Gods you're excited about this aren't ya?

>>71382490
Weak rrat. That would have required them to get her to freak out while responding to it the way she did. No way to predict that.

If she was professional and just banned them without saying anything, as one really should, we never would have heard a peep about it.

Don't feed the trolls, ever.

>>71385209
I believe the basic clauses the document outlined, that's not really up for debate. A document like that is going to be valuable in determining the stuff AnyColor is trying to get their employees to agree to. It's just obviously bad performance by LM to emphasise the wording over that.
>>71385302
Please learn to read ESL-kun. If I'm a sister you're the reincarnation of Albert Einstein and we both know you need help just getting dressed in the morning.

>>71385568
>This seems like a lot to retard-kun
Not surprising, I guess?

>>71385193
You really are a stupid nigger, holy fuck.

>>71385671
So you believe the contract is real, but you're saying it's fake because LM's a faggot? Or were you implying we "knew" anything about the contract prior to it being leaked? Because I certainly never heard anyone say anything about a majority of it's clauses, just the legal defense stuff and merch, the latter of which wasn't even confirmed in the document.

>>71382542
The biggest hate I could lay against him is the rumor he got Zaion doxxed while she was suspended. I'm not sure if it's true or not, and as I recall some of the related evidence involved him posting under his stage name (not even PL), on doxxsite, which just seems fishy as fuck. So while I find him annoying AF, I can't quite get myself to crusade against him until I see something more solid, though proof of that would certainly do it.

>>71385789
You're a genuine retard that doesn't know a single thing about the economy past "big number good". Look at the amount of inflation going on across the globe, look how the Yen is decreasing in value then come back and tell me "durr but stock bigger than it was in neolithic era"

>>71385907
I'd say no VTuber would be stupid enough to dox someone and attach their stagename to it, but Kyo did love pretending to be black, so maybe he was just trying to do the least intelligent thing possible

>>71386130
I just going to assume this is bait at this point. You can't be this stupid.

>>71385854
I believe the document is real. I also believe actual contracts would be substantially different to the document at least in legality. Discussing the document in the context of a contract is pointless, discussing document as an indication of how Nijisanji views/treats their talent is going to be much more relevant. A lot of the clauses are poorly worded basic shit (that lead to people making hilarious misreads like 'wow they can fine talents a year of their income!') that a competent lawyer could have untangled for the audience, but instead he spent most of his time sperging about how this document wouldn't hold up in court... and if you needed someone else to tell you that you should probably go back and graduate middle-school and pay attention in civics.
>I can't quite get myself to crusade against him
I mean by all means he's a mostly innocuous grifter/dramatuber, just don't bother with assuming anything he says is going to give you any legally relevant insight because he's obviously not interested in actual legal commentary, let alone analysis.

>>71386130
Well, the reality is that even if there is a worldwide recession in the making, few stocks are dipping the way anycolor is.

>>71384061
>Repeatedly disclaims that he's neither a Japanese nor Canadian lawyer.
>The only two things the Canadian lawyer contested was whether Pipkin Pippa could be applied, and whether the Canadian court would view the contractor as an employee (before the contract leak, which he then corrected himself and after that and agreed with LM that employee status is unavoidable.)
>It's a template not a draft, the closest thing to invalidate it being that it was unsigned, but that assumes the signer is smart enough to negotiate the contract, rather than just signing blindly for the opportunity to be in Niji.
>The translation, bad though it maybe, is the same legal wording that would be used were the contract to be brought up in a western court.
>The guy has seen thousands of contracts and regularly deals with transnational corporate employment contracts going by his business page.
Also I don't think he's driven anyone to suicide nor made multiple public attacks against a popular suicide vic, so if it's a race to look as incompetent and unprofessional as possible, he's waaay behind. He's doing the vtuber drama more as a side gig than anything else.

>>71383701
Might have gotten away with it if they simply asked them to cut it out in private correspondence. Suing them is what brought it into the open and created the illusion that they were taking a side. Bad PR decision - not Niji level bad, but bad. Bad HR decision as well, as suing your union just leads to bad blood come negotiation time.

>>71386708
>Repeatedly disclaims that he's neither a Japanese nor Canadian lawyer.
Its funny to me that he told you he's going to be talking out of his ass, and you still defend him because he was honest about it?
>The only two things the Canadian lawyer contested
Watch the actual video, ESL-kun.
>It's a template not a draft, the closest thing to invalidate it being that it was unsigned
No. The thing that immediately invalidates it is something LM kind of skips over and dramatises as something else.
>The guy has seen thousands of contracts and regularly deals with transnational corporate employment contracts going by his business page.
That makes his actual performance more embarrassing. Not sure what you're hoping to do with one of the most infantile fallacies available but an appeal to authority is never a good look, especially when his actual competence is being interrogated. Dr. Oz is a doctor with years of practice, he's still a snake oil salesman.
>if it's a race to look as incompetent and unprofessional as possible, he's waaay behind
You should really learn to read, as that's what I already said. "getting lapped" in a race means someone ran a whole lap ahead of you, the claim then that he avoided getting lapped means he's way behind but not as far as you'd expect given the competition.

>>71385204
>LM got EVERYTHING wrong
Runkle said no such thing. He only corrected him on two points, one of which would affect venue and thus a lot of other things, but he took that one back after the contract leak. You're the one who is ESL if you believe otherwise.

>>71386708
W-what, you can't just tell me my blind assertions are wrong! Y-you must just be retarded or ESL, yeah, that's gotta be it! That's the only way I can't get a W here and be superior to you anon! I'll just blindly contradict you and ignore reality, that'll prove how smart I am!

>>71386525
Japanese 7/11, Panasonic , Mitsui O.S.K all also had a giant dip in stocks , Anycolor is just being hit the hardest

>>71385568
>Gods you're excited about this aren't ya?
Because they can't argue anything else, the stock plummeting free fall style is making them seethe.

>>71387154
You're the same fucker who claimed there were "multiple experts" who debunked what LM said, aren't you? Are you willing to share them now as you failed for about two hours to do it last time?

>>71386525
>>71387381
JP225 fell about 4% from March 6th. Steady growth YTD before then. So JP's total market isn't getting fucked right now. Could be the tech sector took the brunt of it or some such if we're trying to steelman that Anycolor's 22%+ drop in a day isn't a big deal.

>>71387471
I'm here celebrating anon. But keep flailing. Your 'le sister' cope will surely work.
>It's looking to go below sub 1800 on Monday
Hope you're not a retarded 'dip' buyer because this shit is going all the way to the bottom.

>>71385209
>The contract is either real, or Sayu's document is completely and utterly fake.
Based grifter literally said "Fuck you if you believe I made up the contract", but sisters won't listen anyway so I just laught at them.
Go buy the dip sisters, make something positive instead of being clowns here.

>>71387538
>Repeating a point he lost multiple times in a single thread
??? How long are you going to pretend to be retarded anon?
>N-no spoonfeeed me again!!
And then again, and again and again? Why should I bother after you ignored it the last time?

>>71387381
None of them hit the daily trading cap like AnyColor did. He's also right that the Jap stock market has been on the rise for a long time now. AnyColor's performance today is as bad as it is allowed to get, and it'll no doubt continue the trend come Monday.

>>71387538
I never lose arguments Anon! They're the only way I can feel good about myself, so I'll keep beating my head against the wall all day if I have to to win against you!

Sister for the million time, the contract being real or not, doesn't fucking matter, what's matter is that people believe kurocolor is capable of doing it.
So seethe, cope, mald and go buy the dip.

>>71387799
You seem pretty desperate anon, here's a pity (You).

Reminder that it didn't drop to 1800 because its daily capped, expect the fire to continue on monday.
Sisters on suicide watch.

>>71387756
Predictions put AnyColor below 1800, I'm not sure what the actual percentage on that would be, but they're literally being saved by the limit on price drops because they're looking to fall almost twice the cap.

>>71387995
And the next drop also has a cap, if they get capped again roru, rumao even, the live thread will be fucking fire again.

>>71388043
Aren't they already at risk of being kicked off the market at this rate? They need to climb back up to around 3000 don't they?

>>71387721
You didn't prove anything though lmao, you just kept repeating yourself and refusing to back up your claims. Now you're doing the same here. Sad.

>>71388043
Assuming the nijijannies don't delete the thread. I've seen them deleting AnyColor stock alarm threads already.

Sisters, it's time to prove your devotion and BUY ANYCOLOR right now! Please consider putting those refunded gift cards toward it. This transcends merch and superchats in determining the fate of your oshi right now. You know this is true.

>>71388177
Yes anon, I already said you were ignoring it the first time. You don't need to reaffirm that you know? But thanks for proving you're retarded at least, you also didn't need to do that but here we are.

Wait, if everyone is selling, who the heck is going to go to the investors meeting?
It'd be entirely niji ride or die-ers right?

>>71387995
1800 would be a 43% drop from yesterday (3140).
1800 would be a 53% drop from Feb 5th (3820).
2440 (current) is a 23% drop from yesterday.
2440 is a 37% drop from Feb 5th.

So we're currently at 37% since the start of the Selen debacle and expecting a 53% drop. Negligible really. Has anyone checked on the Doxsite to see how the sisters are coping?

>>71388275
I'm sorry you made a claim you couldn't back up. Again. Better luck next thread.

>>71388353
N-no, I'm really smart and proved myself! Y-you must be ESL if you can't understand me!

>>71388345
They're taking it as well as can be expected.

>>71388353
Speaking of claims you couldn't back up, you going to back up the claim that LM's legal takes hold any merit or are you just going to make excuses again? I recall asking you for a single valid argument and you couldn't even do that, but you had a little over a day so surely you came up with something?

>>71388399
I'm sure you'll manage it next time. :)

>>71388403
>>>>the stocks fell once randomly
genuinely never seen a bigger cope in my life, they're going to overdose

>>71388455
As multiple people said in the last thread - you're the one making the claim, you're the one who has to prove your point. You haven't been able to in two threads now.
The burden of proof is on you.

>>71388465
>>71388399
You fuckers did this last time as well where you somehow ended up confusing each other for me due to missing incredibly obvious queues, it was hilarious but get your fucking shit together already.

I mean I didn't need more evidence to prove you were ESL but if anyone here was in doubt, here it is.

>>71388560
Are you actually going to prove your points next thread?

>>71388535
Just "Gonna make excuses again" would have sufficed anon. You're not very bright are you?
>B-burden of proof
You failed on that claim last time too. I'm not even asking something difficult, it should be trivial for you to give an example.

Why is it apparently easier for you to spend hours sperging and making excuses than to come up with a single example that would immediately BTFO me forever? Why the childish theatrics instead when they obviously don't work? I know it's because you don't actually have anything but come on, at least make it less obvious.

>>71388465
It's been genuinely entertaining reading his posts in a 12 year old "I need to prove I'm smart" shitposter's voice. It perfectly matches with his grandiose claims and lack of arguments or evidence. And then the constant "I-I'm winning!" rhetoric, especially to people that are just making fun of him.

Look at this shit, he doesn't even get that we're both in on the joke and thinks we're confused.

>>71388628
Took the words right out of my mouth buddy, you kept dodging and I expect that won't change any time soon. All talk. You can do it anon, just show right now just how much better you are than I am, give a single example, you won't :^)

>>71388722
>it's been genuinely entertaining reading his posts in a 12 year old "I need to prove I'm smart" shitposter's voice
I've been wondering whether you even graduated middle school, but I didn't expect you to be a first year, lmao and you think this is a good look for you? "I imagined you in a silly voice I'm so smart :DDD"?

Stop anon, I'm actually dying here.

>>71388839
>n-no u
It's ok. You can take your W, it's fine. You can feel better about yourself friendo.

>>71388722
I'm surprised he started this shit in yet another thread to be honest.

>>71388915
>Anon so busy seething and shaking he can't even hit the right post
Lol. You clowns are a riot.

>>71388696
Burden
Of
Proof
Is
On
You

>>71387995
where do these predictions come from? not disagreeing just seems very random to me.

>>71388976
Yes. You can keep saying that as a mantra all you like. Doesn't change the fact that it's not valid here and you can't even give a single argument to back up your own case, despite how easy that ought to be.

But keep on sperging nigger, you'll get it.

>>71388920
Is it surprising? He's gotta show the anons how smart he is! He could never lose an argument! Be one of the big boys! There's no way he's older than 15. If he is then he must be a riot at the parties he's never invited to.

>>71389062
To be fair losing an argument to you would be pretty difficult, maybe someone at Niji might be able to pull it off though.