/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>71341782
>3 reals doctors
>1 im sick please donate

obviously vkekjoushoukekjouou paid 11 gazzilion dollars for IM the grifterinou to be included at this counference

>>71341782
This is like getting George Soros to speak on Holocaust Remembrance Day.

>>71341782
This is so stupid, holy shit

Hate her or whatever, she's still bringing attention to a rare & understudied medical condition.

>>71341782
How do you think awareness works? The doctors attending the conference already know about it. There's no reason to cater to them.

>>71342622
negative attention is still attention I guess

Holochads???? You told me she was faking it! Do something!

>>71341782
what were they thinking?

>>71343942
It is only negative here. And maybe Twitter, but everything is negative on Twitter.

>>71343961
She's faking it, they don't care because it's free advertisement

>>71343961
Why would she fake some shit nobody knows about when she could just claim to have ligma?

>>71341782
This is actually crazy these doctors are probably like wtf is this talking cartoon doing here

>>71344176
It's actually extremely normal for charities to have celebrity ambassadors.

>>71341782
>IDFcommunity
Oy vey

>>71341782
She gives them money and exposure, why would they care if she actually has the illness or not? She even created a convenient confirmation loop.
>"they say I have it because I told them I have it"

>>71344176
Her and Connor account for about a quarter of the IDF's donations

>>71341782
>get money by faking it
>use that money to pay off medical conference to be featured as a speaker and fake it even further

>>71341782
Damn ironmouse is winning she gets to speak with a ex president hilary clinton and the current vice president kamala.

>>71343961
She is. She's a keynote speaker so it's going to be a very tight script I doubt she's gonna risk her mask drop by improvising. I doubt there's even going to be a Q&A, and she's certainly not going to mention all of her inconsistencies in front of doctors.

>>71344368
>>71344419
wtf I love ironmouse now

>Vtuber of the year
AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>71344434
Typo ex president barack obama hilary clinton and kamala

>>71344381
>>71344420
Wouldn't she won't to keep a low profile if she was faking it?

>>71344381
Wait, is she even diagnosed or is she one of those
>I saw the symptoms on Tumblr 10 years ago and it was literally me

>>71344238
Not talking japanese cartoons

>>71344533
She is 100% diagnosed and the reason she backs this charity is because they helped her when she was originally diagnosed

>>71344441
>her event is a panel discussion
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HELP ME

>>71344519
Google
>illnessfakers
these schizos go out of their way to be in the limelight, I even saw a girl get I think was her legs infected so she had them amputated.

>>71341782
Draw your own conclusions.

>>71344519
Why would she if she has plenty of people she can use to corroborate her narrative. But I guarantee you, if you asked them directly in private about it, they'd say "Well, she told us she has it".

>>71344512
She paid off the awards production crew to give her the award

>>71344671
Manish Butt haha

>>71344671
Oy vey!

>>71344512
All awards shows are either virtue signalling circlejerks or nepotism circlejerks these days. Only brainlets take them at face value.

>>71344671
>medical conference has medical sponsors
EXPOSED

>>71344512
>twitch
lol

>>71344598
It's actually a really good medium for conveying isolation. Her being a vtuber is actually relevant to the disease.

>>71341782
The Grift is real.

>>71341782
>Catalogniggers still seething at Mouse acting like she's faking it.
How does one(1) rat causes a bunch of SEAmonkeys/pajeets/brownskins to seethe so much?

>>71343961
even venti knows it...

>>71344833
>"y-you're seething!"
No medical records?

>>71344671
SHUT IT DOWN!!!!

>>71344833
I think it's all the awards
https://vocaroo.com/1kHtYs5MWGIZ

>>71344671
Just out of curiosity who did you expect to see on the sponsor list for primary immunodeficiency conference? Fucking Pokemon?

>>71344900
Yes, because I’m totally a normal person and definitely not mentally ill. So my first thought when I saw a person who has condition or illness I go “May I see your private traceable medical information”

>>71344851
Venti and Gura need to be in a cage match asap I’d pay good money to see it

>>71344900
NTA. What is a medical record? I'm not given a diagnostics report whenever I go in for a checkup.

>>71344671
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pm6pwhVOhTc

>>71344900
Do it IMschizo. Book a flight from Jakarta to OHare. Go to the panel and scream and shit your pants while demanding to see her entire medical history. Be the hero Hololive needs.

grifters stick together

>>71344900
Do you think people are given certificates when they're diagnosed with something?

>>71345051
>online scammers using fake medical conditions to farm money and clout never existed, ever
>>71345106
A chronic illness should have a medical history + expenditure history, given how expensive she claims her treatment is.
>>71345166
>no argument
I accept your concession, ratcuck

>>71345140
>holofags enjoy this
the absolute state

>>71345206
>A chronic illness should have a medical history + expenditure history, given how expensive she claims her treatment is.
There's no reasonable way of verifying the authenticity of either without a doxx.

>>71344671
Oh no medical sponsors for a medical conference

i always find it weird how you fags are no true scottsmanning a disease you dont even know about.
vtubers are known to be sicker then normal people so why is them having a chronic sickness so impossible to accept, outside of shitposting.
>>71345106
anon wants all her medical records to be public so he can shitpost about her health more.
theres laws to prevent bad actors like him from getting medical records for a reason

>>71341782
This seems reasonable? I don't think there's a single other person on this planet spreading more awareness about immunodeficiency.
Back when traditional media mattered her slot would be filled by some Hollywood actor/actress who suffered from the disease and talked about it a couple times on late night talkshows/interviews.

>>71345051
If a person says
>I have an illness
I dont have trouble believing them, if a person says
>I have an illness, give me money!
THEN I become skeptical.

>>71344671
Remember to take your booster shots goys.

>>71345106
If you go to the hospital you get a giant wad of paper on release that has all of your test results, what you're diagnosed with, how you were treated while in the hospital, and whatever treatment you should do going forward. At least that's what I get whenever I leave a hospital anyway.

>>71345269
>>71345292
>there's no way to prove that she has the illness, just listen and believe
And that's why you keep getting scammed by online grifters.

>>71345390
She does charity.

>>71345206
Too scared to leave the hut? Not even to pull the fire alarm? I accept your concession.

>>71345193
I’m frankly upset that Ironmouse doesn’t show her diploma that’s hanged on her wall that says she has she has CVID reee
>>71345206
>obsessed moron wants for someone to release private traceable information just because the obsessed retard who doesn't care about her doesn’t believe it
Wow, Ironmouse should really drop those documents right now, she’s losing this one

>>71345390
You should be able to provide a clip of mouse saying that then

>>71344851
the same v*nti who paints all vtuber audiences as pedos when it was actually her who groomed underage boys... sure thing bro.

>>71345435
>her chat does charity
FTFY

>>71345269
you could always blur out any kind of doxx info, now if others don’t believe that it’s on them but not even that was ever presented

>>71345425
No rebuttal to the fact that the only way this could end is with her doxxing herself? I accept your concession.

>>71341782
HOLOBRONIES WE FUCKING LOST...

If it was Pekora or any holo girl
>Holo W
>Wow look at that, Holo saving lives
>Best vtuber
Its Ironmouse
>Look at that whore that sleeps on stream
>She fakes her illness
>Stupid conference

>>71345305
Yeah, but half of VT hates her. Doesn't that mean anything?

>>71345553
>you could always blur out any kind of doxx info, now if others don’t believe that it’s on them but not even that was ever presented
You expect anonymous people online to not move the goalpost?

>ukraine funding charity, shady sponsors.
>froot's trans funding, backtracks when social media goes viral about sponsors.
>mandated pfizer shot org sponsor.
it wouldnt hurt to research charity funds

>>71345607
yeah, because hololive doesn't associate with grifters (besides mori)

>>71345643
>it wouldnt hurt to research charity funds
Yeah, you should try that. What's the verdict on the IDF?

>If you don't listen and believe you're a jealous woman/holofag/seanigger/sexist/racist/misogynist/nazi (circle the correct option)

>>71345553
Yes, because I’m sure the obsessed retards won’t move the goalpost to be “well I could print that myself! It’s probably some word shit”

Wait....she has AIDS??

>>71345737
CVID

Anime girl jumpscare!

>>71345607
If Pekora made her whole personality her "illness" I'd call her on her bullshit too. Look at Gura, she's clearly sick but she never talks about it because that's her own private matter not something her audience should know.

>>71345737
yes and no. hers is hereditary, not sexually transmissible.

>>71345737
KEK KEK KEK

>>71345826
You're supposed to be sperging over whether she has an illness (she does), not what illness it is (CVID) bro, keep up.

>>71345737
OH NO NO NO NO IRONTRANNIES?

>>71345805
Lol, sure. Because she never had sex right, I'm glad she doesn't have kids then right? Because it's hereditary, her kid would be sick too, right? I'm glad she doesn't have one.

>>71345729
you could just say "holofag"

>>71341917
>1 real doctor
>2 diversity hires
>Ironmouse

>>71345803
>clearly sick
yeah sure boddy

>>71345929
LISTEN
AND
BELIEVE
CHUD

>>71345805
>no proof

>>71345737
No, she apparently has CVID which is [buncha medical mumbojumbo] a high risk of infections. As long as she gets regular IV infusions she can live life mostly normal.

I got a big dick disease and no one cares.

>>71345803
>made her whole personality her "illness"
What makes you think this applies to Mouse?

>>71345928
>>71345975
you know I can't actually respond to this without a 3-day, so here's a (you)

>>71345928
Are you familiar with how genes work?

>>71345928
Should you kill your kid if you get diagnosed with a hereditary disease as an adult?

>>71344900
Post your hands to prove you aren't a brownskin

>>71345953
So true sister I don't believe anything that's why I don't watch holo men with voice changers

>>71346095
What does it matter is not like she has one right? I mean she's so sick she couldn't even have sex let alone give birth right?

>>71346103
I'm a 7,0 Nordic Chad. No, I won't post proof because that would be doxxing. Just trust me bro just like you trust your queen.

>>71345803
Her whole personality? You mean the woman who begins streaming hiding her condition, using excuses for the machine beeping in the background of the stream, and even hiding shes latina because she was bullied as a non english speaker migrant child in the US? Of course you guys dont know. Please hate but with a legitimate reason idk

>>71345638
>>71345730
If your excuse is that the goalpost would be moved after YEARS since debut of not having a single visible medical proof other than “trust me bro” then those excuses make no sense, having at least one would be proof enough to btfo anyone itt

>>71345805
It’s variable. While some can be hereditary, it could also be just a simple mutation due to the factors she might be born to, old age in the parental figures, some random gene mutation, etc. to put it in perspective, Diabetes has more chances of being hereditary than CVID, even AIDS isn’t hereditary, is just due to being in contact with a genital area through childbirth and breastfeeding

bloody grifter facking IM benchod you bloody

>>71346192
If only the first paragraph in the wikipedia article for cvid could answer all your questions

>>71344900
yeah bro why doesn't she just dox herself? wtf is her problem
this is sarcasm

>>71346192
She was diagnosed as an adult. It makes sense that she didn't show symptoms until adulthood.

>>71346218
>hiding she's latina

>>71345610
dont lie anon, if this place actually hated her itd be non stop threads like nijisanji gets.
>>71345643
bad thing can sponsor good things anon and create more good things.
of course be suspect of it but if its a netpositive it should be fine enough.
>>71345803
people are pissy with gura because she doesnt explain why shes always sick, theres being sick and then theres "being sick" aka lazy.
>>71345928
anon... CVID is hereditary aids... having sex is unrelated to having CVID...
>>71346250
dont lie faggot, the second shed give legal proof youd move the post to something like "how come she never proved it sooner"

There's no proof that Polka's hiatus was because she was studying so obviously she was lying.
The truth is that she was pregnant with my baby.

>>71346015
You obviously haven't seen any of her streams. She pretends to be dying every 10 minutes and won't continue the stream unless she gets gifted subs. And somehow she does all of this while being asleep the entire 11-13 hours of stream, that crafty little cunt.

Its funny knowing none of the spergs of this thread really watches mouse because she knows so much medical information that only one patient can know. But you all are the experts. This is like throwing pearls to pigs

>>71346390
This lil nigga struggles with the concept of time kek

>>71341782
lmao

>>71346339
You were already provided with an answer to what can she do to protect her identity while providing proof, but she didn't provide even that. If she did, you would've had a reason to dismiss everyone who says that she's faking it since there would be physical receipts.

>>71346250
For people to accept that it's an actual medical document, its authenticity has to be proven, which can't be done without her providing identifying information.

>>71346429
that baby is me btw

>>71346443
>IM reads Wikipedia
>OMG she's so knowledgeable!

>>71341782
Do they want to make themselves look like a joke by including IronWhore in this?

didn't she get the disease from getting cum in her eye or something

>>71346441
>"You obviously haven't seen any of her streams"
>Proceeds to post the most schizophrenic shit you've ever seen
Classic

>>71346362
She showed symptoms since childhood, just didn't know what it was until adulthood. It's why she pushes for people who are sickly to get tested, since it can help avoid the damage she has.

>>71346486
You were already told that you should be doing PR for your cratering stock prices instead of deflecting on 4chan sister.

>>71346552
/#/browns don't watch any streams or clips, they just get angry at clip titles and viewership graphs

>>71346588
>deflects
I accept your concession again, ratcuck. No records, no case, simple as.

vshojo antis going full conspiracy schizo itt

>>71346562
Sure. I meant that she wouldn't have been hospitalized for it until adulthood. So they wouldn't have any reason to test for it.

For anyone who isnt a schizo here is her story if you really want to het informed and not just troll: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d_OuKhUXkOU

>>71341782
What were Dr. Manish Butte's parents thinking ffs, I'd rather be presented to a crowd as fucking Iron Mouse than as a dad joke.

>this is going to end with IMschizo calling in a bomb threat to a major American city in June
>he'll be screaming SHOW PROOF to the FBI agents dragging him out of his hut
Can't wait

>>71346671
Post a full frontal nude with timestamp to prove you aren't a deflecting sister. We require records here.

>>71344238
Yeah, "celebrity"...
Riiiiiiight.

>>71341782
Does this prove she's not faking it?

>>71346494
>having medical documents
>having receipts
as long as the doxx info is blurred out it is enough and gives more pressure into trusting that and if anyone ever finds out that it’s fake it also will make the fall harder, if she has nothing to hide regarding her condition, then why not do it?

>>71341782
But shouldn't Gura be sick enough to joke too? Her illness isn't a lie right?

>>71346822
Excuse you, that's the highly awarded VTuber Of The Year Ironmouse you're talking about

>>71346825
It supports it. Of course, if you're schizo, you can just say it's fake

>>71346250
I mean you are the faggot still discussing this, despite YEARS of both corroborating data when she wasn’t even a streamer, a lot of people who would watch her and even stopped watching her before Twitch that would have absolutely no reason to reveal to the world she’s faking it or all the medical stuff and tubes she would post back the as being actually fake, or the medical knowledge only a patient or someone in the medical field would know about her case. But sure, let’s go with the fact Ironmouse never did that and she only said “trust me bro”

>>71346822
More famous than your whores

>>71346562
Kinda weird how even her fans don't seem to agree about her symptoms. Some say she just got it after becoming an adult which would explain all of her normal childhood stories and experiences but then you have other people like this guy that said she's had symptoms since childhood.

The way I see it, Ironmouse keeps winning, haters keep fuming, and life goes on.

>>71346863
It would require the name and signature of a registered physician who diagnosed her condition. That will dox her.

>>71346863
you will move the goalpost then and say she paid a doctor to do it.

>>71346392
>dont lie faggot, the second shed give legal proof youd move the post to something like "how come she never proved it sooner"
I accept your concession of being a brainless retard, have fun getting scammed irl too

>>71345206
>you if she ever shows you the medical records you think you're entitled to

i dont like ironmouse therefore she is faking it
simple as

>>71346497
But you need to be 18 to post here.

>>71346926
What is she supposed to do, anon? Post her medical records online for the world to see and judge whether she's lying or not?

>>71346926
"normal childhood stories" is something I have yet to come across. By the sounds of it she was always fairly sickly, aside from some point during puberty, which the podcast says is common.

>>71346926
When they say she had a normal childhood they mean she wasn't confined to her house like she is now. She went to school like a normal kid. She just got sick a lot.

>>71346984
>"YOU'RE NOT ENTITLED TO ANYTHING! LISTEN AND BELIEVE!"

Why is IM featured? She is faking it!!!! They bought the presentation!!!!! Fake event by western medical corpos!!!!! PEKORA should be speaking for the IDF. ARGHHHHHh

Am I doing it right catalogfags?

>>71347070
And dropped out due to sickness, let's not forget

>>71345435
And so does a bunch of other vtubers (actual vtubers, not shitty grifters)

>>71346863
how about do some self reflection anon and thing about what would happen if what you want were to happen?
what do you think will happen?
youre practising bad faith already so why would someone giving out good faith info change your mind enough to not just double down on the bad faith.
as >>71345730 and >>71346984 points out, retards with motives can just say that the info is faked blurred or not.
>>71347071
you have to be under 18 if you dont know about what happened with obama's birth certificate.

>>71341782
If you just use acronyms, the headline is weird
>Iron Mouse has CVID and is speaking at an IDF conference about it

>>71347028
The best thing would be not lie about it. But she's too deep now so if I were her I'd just stop talking about it and just become a normal streamer. It seems she's actually trying to go that route lately with her whole
>magical surgery that's somehow going to fix CVID
story that she's been telling now.

>>71347190
Cool. More of a good thing is good.

>>71346926
Because despite what retarded number monkeys say she doesn't really talk about her illness much

>>71346552
Sorry, I didn't consider your autistic bitch ass would be incapable of understanding sarcasm.

>>71347251
aside from the magical surgery that will cure her, what else did the crack pipe whisper to you?

>>71345800
>calling herself "anime girl"

>>71347251
That sounds interesting can you provide a clip?

>>71347251
Holy meds. Where did you hear that she is going to have a magical surgery anon? Seems you are taking harder drugs than she is

>discussion panel is at 9AM CDT
>primetime SEA hours
The meltdown will be biblical

>>71347332
tbf, people here unironically spout that same narrative as gospel

>>71341782
>IDF community
That's a bad Twitter name.

>>71347674
poe's law writ large in this thread alone

one would think that if she was "faking" her illness and so many people were complicit in her "lie", discord messages would have already been leaked proving this theory, where are DMs schizos?

>>71346890
Vtuber of the year in what? Some shitty award show where she won by throwing the $$$ that she got by faking her illness?
>>71346921
Says the bootlicker of an actual whore

>>71347900
WHY IS NOT PEKORA THE ONE SPEAKING AAAARGGGGGGGGGGG

>>71347900
It depends on which award you're referring to anon, she's won a lot.
Do you mean the ones judged by experts - which she won - or the ones open to public vote - which she also won?

>>71347233
Why should we believe in your and Ironwhore's "trust me bro" BS? Give a good reason and not some baloney.

I’m pretty sure Mouse has a kid in real life, right? How can she have a kid if she’s so sick?

>>71345935
women have it ruff

>>71347936
>NICOLE ROCHESTER YOU FUCKING HARLOT

>>71348015
she's involved in lobbying against the health insurance industry, who have both the means and the motive to end her if she's faking it
guess what?

btw, the immune deficiency foundation is a 4 star charity, which is the highest rating possible. It would be retarded to stake their reputation on someone faking their condition.
https://www.charitynavigator.org/ein/521214782

>>71348149
Can’t believe IM paid for this charity to be 4 stars

>>71341782
Does that mean 98% of /vt/ are qualified to be a speaker at a schizophrenia conference? Can I become a speaker at an epilepsy conference now? Who thought this was a good idea?

>>71348149
IM bribed that website

>>71346822
whoroseethe

>>71347936
Because she's Japanese and so is a sizable chunk of her viewers?

>>71348261
Nuh bro. That website is fake, IDF is also fake. They are donating to Israel the whole time. Trust me bro

>>71348321
HOLOLIVE SHOULD SUE

>>71348321
I guess the joke flew by your head huh?

God I wish we still had IP numbers.

>>71348355
There's no proof that isn't happening so it must be true

>>71348095
>lobbying against the health insurance industry
I didn't realize she was this based, fuck those scammers. Take all your money in premiums and then try to deny all your claims

>>71348095
Not if she gives some of her "hard earned" $$$ to them as a hush money.
>>71348317
>whoreseethe
>posts a whore
???

If it was any holo girl
>Holo W
>Wow look at that, Holo saving lives
>Best vtuber
>Holo flexing on Niji again
Its Ironmouse
>She fakes her illness
>Stupid conference
>Why her
>Look at that whore that sleeps on stream

>>71344671
Anon i wanna know your thought process for this comment. Are you implying it is strange that a company that makes medicine is sponsoring a medical conference?

>>71348095
>she is lobbying against health insurance
did the grifter mouse said this on stream?

>>71348463
oh yeah, she's gone on plenty of rants before too. you'd think having money would solve those problems, but apparently not.

>>71348709
She claims she spoke to legislation people about CVID being added to health insurance

>>71348709
The IDF were successfully able to because of the money mouse and Connor raised

>>71348709
Yes, she's talked about how the IDF has involved her in meetings with politicians in DC

>>71347071
Medical records are a rather private thing. You are hyper not entitled to those - and that's before one considers that you don't even watch her to begin with.

>>71347233
And yet she doesn't provide even that much. It's not that hard to blur out all the personal info and then have a reputable neutral third party with expertise in the field verify the original. Then, every time someone questions her illness you could just slap them in the face with the evidence instead of going for "s-she d-doesn't owe you a-anything, j-just accept it, h-haters". And if they deny it, just laugh at them. That would put all the doubts to rest and solidify her reputation, but no, you don't even allow the possibility of people who are skeptical not being braindead antis.

>>71348799
>>71348821
I believe it's this she was referring to. https://twitter.com/IDFCommunity/status/1762185851222573403

>>71348909
The only people questioning her illness are retards here

To any aspiring vtuber reading this thread, Mouse is the proof that this board 's opinion does not matter at all kek.

>>71349101
>everyone who questions my waifu is X
And that's why you will always get scammed, simp.

>>71348909
The fact that the whole ORG is having her as a guest speaker and is featured on their youtube channel as-well is enough proof.
And also, she doesn't have to prove anything to you schizos that would take a picture of a medical document and reverse engineer the fuck out of it and doxx her. Now seethe in peace with your worthless Japanese chubas

>>71349239
She is not going to release her medical records just because some retards are being retarded on 4chan

>>71345998
but acts as if she can't anyway, average indie vtuber whore

>>71349431
There's a plasma shortage ever since Covid

>>71348909
You keep trying to skirt around the issue of proving authenticity. I doubt you would be willing to accept a fully blurred page. What reasonable information can she give to verify it that wouldn't be doxxing?

>>71349246
>the org says so
Ah yes, the same org that she made a lot of money for and gives publicity to will definitely be very interested in asking questions.
>"s-she doesn't have to prove anything"
She kinda does, given that she built her career on milking her illness for pity points.
>>71349525
>"y-you won't accept it"
There's nothing to even deny, ratcuck. "Show records or you're a scammer", that's the rule of thumb for everyone using their illness to get money and/or attention.
>What reasonable information can she give to verify it
I fucking told you, to give the original to a reputable third party (i.e. a medical professional not directly affiliated with her or any organization she's affiliated with), with all the legal privacy safeguards, and release the version with blurred private info to the public.

You know you made it as a vtuber when /vt/ started to hate you kek

>>71350004
>I fucking told you, to give the original to a reputable third party (i.e. a medical professional not directly affiliated with her or any organization she's affiliated with), with all the legal privacy safeguards, and release the version with blurred private info to the public.
1. Where is she going to find a doctor that isn't affiliated with her?
2. All of that information is private. There's nothing that would be made public if you redacted all of the private information.

>>71350004
>She kinda does, given that she built her career on milking her illness for pity points.
Give me a single clip of her doing that

>>71349431
People just default to saying "she's got cvid" cause it's the simplest way to explain it, but in reality it's because of a series of infections caused by the lack of an immune system. There's possibly some malpractice involved as during her initial treatments she was constantly on antibiotics without pre or probiotics, which ended up killing all the flora in her gut which is why she can't eat most foods (yet). She is recovering but still has to take different medications every 4 hours, but she's at the point where she can walk short distances and eat bland foods such as rice, bread, pasta, and more recently bananas i believe.

>>71350004
multiple expert third parties that corroborate her situation have been mentioned in this thread alone
she could live stream full unredacted medical records and you spastics would complain that there's no proof we're not all a brain in a jar

>>71350177
>Where is she going to find a doctor that isn't affiliated with her
In the US. I'm pretty sure there are people who specifically investigate cases of potential scammers.
>There's nothing that would be made public if you redacted all of the private information
Blur out her name, the name(s) of her doctor(s), the institution it was recorded at, and other doxx info. Leave the diagnosis and treatment.
>>71350258
I'm not intentionally catching a ban for posting the 2018 interview, janny.
>>71350406
>multiple expert third parties
>mention only the org she's working with
Again, not an argument. I told you what kind of evidence would be universally accepted and you still keep seething about "muh spastics".

>>71350717
>>how she built her career
>a single interview in 2018

>>71350717
>police accuses you of crime
>Prove you didn't do the crime
Literally your argument retatd. In the real world if you make the negative claim you have to prove it. She doesn't have to prove anything

>>71350717
She is literally side by side with the leading experts on her disease

>>71350717
You're thinking. I like it. How do you get the doctor she doesn't know to fly to Puerto Rico and go to her house?

>>71344671
Holy shit holy shit holy shit!
Medical companies sponsoring events with doctors?! What a scandal!!

she could literally die and livestream her funeral and we would still have retards claiming it is a mannequin or a paid actor

>thread about Ironmouse moving up in the world
>random seethe about hololive fans
It's just falseflaggers and shitposters fighting each other at this point.

>>71350808
https://youtu.be/jgCCul-n5E8?si=ZqxxS84BlBqo-oyi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHvOZUKhYR0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w42eJcyQR2U
>>71350835
>LISTEN
>AND
>BELIEVE
Fuck off.
>>71350852
Yeah, and none of them have confirmed that she has the illness, they're only listed as the speakers at the event.
>>71351053
You do realize that to confirm it you don't need to personally examine the patient, just verify that the documents are legit?

>>71351512
tbf isn't that any catalog thread that isn't a general?

>>71351524
>You do realize that to confirm it you don't need to personally examine the patient, just verify that the documents are legit?
So you want her doctor to send her medical records to another doctor? Then what? That doctor isn't able to say anything without her approval.

>>71351524
>3 clips where she briefly talks about her illness spread out over 4 years

>>71351765
>pick a non-affiliated 3rd party
>verify the neutrality of the 3rd party
>get IM's consent to share the information
>sign legal documents protecting personal information
>profit

>>71351915
the only people profiting off this resource-wasting schizo plan are weirdos who spend way too much of their mental bandwidth trying to convince other people that occam's razor is for rubes. you legitimately sound like a flat earther and I pray for the sake of the people you speak to in real life that you only act like this on this website
new IP, since we can't see that anymore

>>71345483
Don't forget Anon that Females can't be pedos

>>71351915
But she can't pick the 3rd party. One just has to descend from the heavens. Lest he be affiliated.

>a puerto rican girl is a master schemer who can deceive dozens of close friends, colleagues and doctors without any leak

>>71351524
>only listed as the speaker for the event
She's a speaker for the event because she's one of the subjects of the documentary they're showing there, "Compromised." Which interviews people who have CVID and how it's affected their lives along with doctors and stuff. There's even a trailer for the movie. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-KaNF8y0xo

>>71351915
Wouldn't any 3rd party chosen by the doctor she sends it to be affiliated with her by proxy (ie through the doctor)? Plus, she would need to know who it is to give the doctor permission to share her information. I really don't think you've thought this one through.

>>71352270
>>71352686
Put together a list of all possible arbiters, pick ones that had no prior contact with her, and have a clear reputation to prevent the personal connection or other forms of influence from affecting the verdict.
>>71352355
I want to see her records, not a sob story she's been practicing for years.

>>71352884
Then die mad lmaooooooo

>>71352884
>Put together a list of all possible arbiters, pick ones that had no prior contact with her, and have a clear reputation to prevent the personal connection or other forms of influence from affecting the verdict.
How do you vet their reputation?

>>71352884
>Put together a list of all possible arbiters
Go on then.

>>71352884
>pick ones that had no prior contact with her
How would anyone else know this? Are we having God do jury selection?

>>71352884
I love how these threads devolve into the most schizo shit imaginable

>>71353134
Check their credentials, history, see if they were involved in any scandals or court cases, if they have experience verifying medical records, and cross-reference their reputation among peers.
>>71353241
>"y-you do it!"
Are you going to pay me to spend my time doing this amount of research?
>>71353300
You could get the person to officially testify about having no prior contact with IM before the verification and document it. Anyone who has a problem with it is free to prove otherwise in court.

>>71353721
>You could get the person to officially testify about having no prior contact with IM before the verification and document it. Anyone who has a problem with it is free to prove otherwise in court.
So you want to waste all of these people's time, doctors' time, and the court's time because a vtuber says she's sick? You're retarded.

>>71353721
>Are you going to pay me to spend my time doing this amount of research?
Of course not, I'm not the one demanding this nonsense - you are.
>Anyone who has a problem with it is free to prove otherwise in court
Again, how would you demonstate this sufficiently without doxxing?

>>71353721
You don't understand how the world works at all

>>71353832
>>71353911
You asked me what kind of evidence would be considered legitimate. If that's too much for your queen, that's her problem. Her white knights would have to shield her from blasphemous accusations until she croaks. Tragic. But don't complain about her being called a fake grifter ever again then.

>>71353967
No, no. We're not even scratching the surface of what your 'plan' would entail. Any compulsion to speak before the court would have to go through the entire legal process. For each person.

>>71353967
We're merely applying your own demented standards, anon.
The problem appears entirely yours.

>>71341782
Conferences are just for people already aware of the issue to circle jerk. If they wanted actual awareness they'd do something completely different

>>71346210
But you are brown. Like all people in here. NijiGODS, HoloGoDS and VSHOJOGODS always win baybeeeeeee. And are unity friends.

>>71354198
Go back to >>>/bant/ and >>>/trash/ like the homosexual you are not to
>>>/lgbt/ jannies trannies.

>>71354065
>>71354109
Or she could just release her medical records with blurred names. You'd have at least that. Also lo and behold, it's impossible for her to prove her condition without doxxing herself. Keep using this as a shield.

>>71354334
>Or she could just release her medical records with blurred names
We've been over this already. >>71349525

>>71341782
I can't be the only one who thought the guy was an older Chad Warren

I don't think we passed a single day without spergs losing their minds over IM, why don't y'all talk about your oshis, whats the need for these many threads?

>>71354410
Well there it is, she can't prove jack shit then.
LISTEN
AND
BELIEVE

>>71354449
Anon, this entire discussion has been you reinforcing the fact that your doubts are unreasonable and unrealistic.

>>71354513
And I'll repeat myself. No medical records? Fuck off.

>>71354334
if she's the machiavellian wit you apparently believe her to be, that'd be trivial to fake
and you still haven't provided a single reason - in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary - that this farce is even necessary

>>71354589
I accept your concession.

>>71354626
Because her entire career would fall apart if it became known that she faked everything, starting with her early pitybaiting. Just like how zen's career would fall apart if he stopped using tts.
>>71354640
And I accept yours. Come back when you have her medical records.

>>71354747
Implying people give a shit about Zen's sex, gender, voice, or any of that shit, instead of finding them to be a decent person and entertainer

>>71354747
>And I accept yours. Come back when you have her medical records.
I'm good. There's this phrase: the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

>>71354747
>she faked everything
What evidence do you have on this?

>>71354747
all of zen's viewers are aware zen may not be a cis woman, this isn't some incredible wild out there theory that /vt/ just thought up. there's still five thousand watching her right now, they don't care, because it doesn't matter to them. they might stop watching if she stopped using TTS and they don't enjoy whatever her voice sounds like, but that's not the same as if she's female or not

>>71341782
>Manish Butte
No fucking way this is real. I refuse to believe that there's someone walking around out here irl with a name like that. This whole thing is some kind of next level ai psy-op designed to turn /vt/ users into radicalized booty warriors.

>>71355426
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d200DatLtU

I always love how in these threads there’s always like one or two guys that really REALLY think “their trust” is worth something to be like
>Totally Mousey, you can trust us. We don’t trust you with your sickness, but it’s alright G. Just do this and that, and reveal this tiny bit of important and private information to the public to prove US that we are wrong, us, the totally not mentally ill indivuals who don’t watch your content or trust you, it’s not biggie dude, pfff, those medical records are just some flimsy papers that would only add stress to you, doctors and managers just to prove to this tiny one little guy to trust you. Look at me, I will use either long ass posts, ideas from my schizo mind and law terms to express my point and ignore all the times people have call me wrong, because I’m right, not them. Oh and those people that “simp” for you are just losers you are scamming them, by them giving your money to you, just like any other streamers but just because you are sick, they see you as a charity case. Speaking of charity, I see you help them out and they value you as important spokesperson due to you condition, well that’s not really it isn’t? They are in the complot too, scamming people to give money to charity and spread awareness. God I hate them.

>>71355342
I'd argue they're the same in nature: changes in presentation. Both Zen coming out as a guy and using her voice instead of TTS have an impact optically, even though the meat and bones of her content might still be the same. Unfortunately, the reality of a lot of vtuber audiences is that they're comprised of lonely men who are looking for female enagement, while this might not necessarily affect the core "quirky, shitposting Zen" fanbase, I wouldn't be surprised if a good 2 to 3 thousand of those viewers thrive on the impression of her being a woman, and anything that disproves/muddles that notion would be a deal-breaker.

>>71355342
I recall a video where she has a raspy, gravelly voice that sounds like an 80 year old chronic smoker. I can see why she is so self-conscious about her voice that she rarely ever streams with it for that reason alone.

>>71354420
That's Dr Warden to you

>>71354830
RIP Carl Sagan

>>71341782
>MD
>PHD
>...toon larper
How do people take it seriously in an event like that

>>71344519
> Wouldn't she won't to keep a low profile if she was faking it?
> he doesn't know

>>71357333
If only there was any evidence of mouse faking it

>>71354334
> Or she could just release her medical records with blurred names.
how would you even know it's hers then?

>>71341782
The idea of a bunch of boomer doctors watching a pink anime girl talk on stage at a serious professional conference is hilarious. We are really in the most boring cyberpunk dystopia imaginable, we could have had usb ports in our skulls and instead we got this kek

>>71357557
not targeted at you, but reminder for anyone still lurking that, being vague to avoid a 3day, on the IDF podcast she talked about how her teen years she was able to mostly be normal because the illness receded a bit at that time which is common for CVID, and it got way worse at eighteen
https://youtu.be/d_OuKhUXkOU?t=666
any "proof" from that period of her life doesn't mean anything, that was the healthiest she's been and she was able to experience normal shit we all do

>>71359005
i don't get it

>>71353832
NTA but I ain't gonna believe that "vtuber" in a million years if there's no hard evidence of her supposed illness other than "me sick trust me bro and don8 $"

>>71359175
good

>>71341782
I don't give a damn. I want nothing to do with this sh**ty grifter wh**e.

>>71359638
You know you're allowed to swear on the internet right your mom isn't gonna ground you

>>71342201
Agreed. /vt/ seething over this is very ridiculous.

>>71345474
NTA but she did do it once and only once and it was ages ago before VShojo and she got big. There's a well viewed clip on the subject on YouTube. Otherwise she has never used her condition for her own personal gain despite what these monkeys think.

>>71345803
Wait, are you trying to tell me Pekora doesn't act like a retarded rabbit girl when the cameras turn off? GRIFTER LYING WHORE!

>>71357833
That's a good point. The goalpost will moved until there's a livestream of a doctor next to Ironmouse irl.

>>71359250
You can choose to not believe her, but that doesn't suddenly mean she's lying. It just means that you want evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. But there's nothing here that warrants that level of evidence.

>>71341782
man she's dying so hard she can be everywhere.

>>71341782
She's really getting a ton of mileage out of faking a mysterious, vague and fake illness.

>>71345292
>i always find it weird how you fags are no true scottsmanning a disease you dont even know about.
Nobody knows about it because she's always vague about what it is beyond "autoimmune disease." Probably because she can't go into specifics without exposing herself as being a liar.

>>71367358
You can look up CVID yourself, anon. You got this far, you'll find a way to read it

>>71367592
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/diseases-conditions/common-variable-immunodeficiency-cvid
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_variable_immunodeficiency

>>71367592
For starters it's an immune deficiency, not autoimmune. So you've already failed the assignment.

>>71367839
NTA. She claims to have CVID specifically. Where did you get autoimmune?

>>71345206
Medical records are not for the public you mouth breathing retard

>>71367592
>Nobody knows about it because she's always vague...
Do your reps retard

>>71345803
> Look at Gura, she's clearly sick
Depression is something you need to pull yourself out of
She just needs to find the drive

>>71370729
Agreed.

>>71341782
>Manish Butte

>>71341782
Honestly, Ironmouse at least brought funding to them and did more than most for them with that alone. Also if she is someone who actively uses their services, I can't see someone more qualified to talk on a conference for them or about them.

>>71341782
the fuck is she gonna do there? do a live reaction of the other 2 doctors and the shaniqua's talk?

>>71380088
Talk about being immunocompromised and the helps that the IDF gave her when she had nowhere else to turn.

>>71375941
She doesn't actually use their services anymore, but only because she can afford to pay for stuff herself. She said that the IDF still so weird to say that because of the acronym lol literally saved her life when she was first diagnosed. This shit is generally not covered and is mega expensive. Her parents had to come out of retirement so they could go back to work to get money to support her and it wouldn't have been possible even with that without the IDF's help.

So yeah it's her charity of choice when she does things and now that the opportunity has arisen where she can actually pay them back she's taking it.

>>71343942
I dunno, man, what rare medical conditions are you shining a big international light on?

Based grifter.

>>71341782
>Manish Butte
lel

>>71343942
The IDF is currently in the process of calculating exactly how much Mouse has impacted the rates of plasma donations, which we already know is not a negligible amount
Multiple times fans of hers have talked about going for their first donation, and staff at the donation center already knew about Ironmouse because of previous donors

>>71344533
You don't receive weekly infusions of blood products and multiple prescription medications from a WebMD self-diagnosis

>>71383546
Generally would be curious to find out but I don't know how that would be calculated. You could try and look at a rate of donations period and compare it to before she started actively telling people to do so on stream but who knows. I just know she gets a lot of TTS's about it and a few people close to VShojo have talked about doing so too.

>>71346863
>as long as the doxx info is blurred out it is enough
Her condition is so rare that any medical information is doxx info
In fact it was probably a bad idea for her to publicly state her blood type

>>71353721
This nigga really wants a fucking federal investigation to verify Mouse's condition

perfectly mental sane people in this thread