/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

6-13k for that two new niji apex autists collab in "It takes two". The game is a huge debuff, even towa and Botan or Kiara and Mori can't make numbers out from it.

Kanata currently 6k away from a million, with an "to 1mil" singing stream up.
How many hours is this gonna take? 3? 4?

>>7127696
It didn't even start yet
https://youtu.be/pjanH4PJUwM
What is wrong with this board tonight and all this lying against Nijisanji?

>>7127761
2 hours, probably less. Sub count always accelerates when they get close to a milestone

>>7127801
Pretty sure that was more of a prediction than a statement of fact. I hope.
Board is kinda jank rn with dramaniggers and tribalists running amok farming (you)s after Njii's latest wave debuts and the crummy collab that happened with NijiEN.

I don't see them being successful outside of APEX, Good for them not sticking to APEX tho.

>>7127859
Crummy collab is abit of an understatement, even if you tried to deliberately set up a collab to go as badly as possible on purpose you'd be hard pressed to make one that goes as bad as this.

>>7127761
Last one was Watame who had ~6k to go at the start and took less than 2 hours, the million endurances especially always gain subs very quickly. I'm more interested in the superchat total, her record is $47k for her 3D debut over a year ago and I think we could well finally see that get toppled today.

>>7127801
Is a prediction. But the game is a debuff since is less story focused.
Grat to play but boring to look at

>>7128123
In that case I agree somewhat, especially considering they'll try to finish the game in one sitting. The peak will be higher but they will leak viewers because everyone in Nijisanji has seen this game already.

July median views so far
>Marine 31,837
>Pekora 31,361

>Kuzuha 24,214
>Toya 17,607

>Coco 56,878
if were including fewer streams

>Leos 29,876
>Lain 23,240
>Axia 21,645
>Lauren 28,195
>Oliver 9,872
niji new gen <10 data


Pekora defeated. Marine I kneel.

>>7126715
Today's numbers.

>>7128319
>Pekora 25k on that.
This has to be old.

>>7128474
It is

>>7128474
Seems to be something wrong on the number collection, the number almost lines up with her FF7R stream the previous day on 25339 that holostats got.

>>7128538
Sutopuri has been slain.

>>7128474
This is a hololive without Coco. A hololive without Coco is like eating Curry Rice without using any plates. Completely baseless. No different from how dogs that eat off the floor. Pathetic.

>>7127696
I think it's kind of a debuff game, as seen from Towa and Botan's run, but Kiara and Calli's run was surprisingly good numbers wise. Took 4 sessions across 4+ weeks and the numbers are close for all sessions. One of the advantages of It takes 2 is the split screen means it can be hosted on 1 channel, so the views aren't split between 2 POVs like Operation Tango and other co-op games.

>>7128538
>Tamaki
What he did?

>>7128886
big collab

>>7128901
That transvestite dogboy is the king of collabs

>>7128826
Mori and Kiara was good since it had an established relationship months after their debut and the whole Takamoti thing fueling shipfaggots. The two new niji should have waited a few weeks to build that relationship up into bros before playing the game at least rather than play it during their debut week. It's a super debuff game if you don't have any chemistry established. I tried to look at it positively, maybe they could make the Collab fun to watch but man that's gonna be hard.

>>7128942
Queen of leeches

>>7128580
#19 is from fujopri

>>7128580
What the hell is sutopuri

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9tsfkdgByA
This song just premiered, Had 9k live viewers, Soon as it ended nearly 20k views.
Youtube is fucking garbage.

>>7129722
Good performance, but a boring song choice imo. Will probably be decent in numbers but can't see it being a top contender for the cover charts.

Lauren and Axia making the strange choice of streaming both of their perspectives.
Did they even look at the game before they started?

>>7127696

>>7130182
you need multiple perspectives for thegame.
But is game that is fucking boring to watch but fun to play. Next episodes will drop hard for the same reason if not views will decline after 1hr

>>7130273
>Next episodes
They'll playing it until they clear it

>>7129722
what is up with holos doing surprise relaeses this day.
i asume they dont care as much as youtbe as the streamlinks or are just personal projects.

>>7130273
>you need multiple perspectives for thegame.
Isn't it always splitscreen?

>>7129845
It'll make it's way up there. It'll get boosted a bit for being a "summer song", will probably take 4-5 days to hit a million views at soonest though.

>>7130291
is a 16 hour game they will scare all their new viewers, they will stop it around 6 hours

Gotta give it to Ina
>she really has her audience on a lock. I wonder if part of that audience is JOP watching an EN streamer playing RE and making cute noises

>>7130313
yeah my bad i tough the option was there

>>7130182
It's hilarious that they both have split screens for their streams. You literally get the same experience on either stream but the viewcount is split. Pretty kino honestly.

>>7130561
they both have the same views so my gues is people have both open.

>>7130369
More, she has the same kind of EoP, specifically EU audience as Watame or Lulu, who tune in late at night to watch them and just chill for the whole stream, possibly falling asleep to it.

>>7130597
And now Axia's stream is gone for some reason. Maybe they've realized that it's pointless to keep two povs.

>>7130597
What? That means those people are watching 2 pairs of the same split screen. That's actually retarded lol

Ina is great, even the lonely boring savages at /jp/ like her, If her JP was better she'd be huge.

>>7130712
Oh, just technical problems.

>>7130754
just like Kiara

>>7130182
To be fair, even Holomem pairs (TowaBotan, AruRitsu, AstelMiyabi) had separate perspectives for their ITT streams. Only Takamori switched between each others' channels iirc.
The only way AxiaLauren can keep their views high is if they finish it in one go like Astel and Miyabi. ITT gets pretty boring after a few more streams.

>>7130597
But you holobronies said youtube only counts one tab as view, ope multi-tab doesn't add view to the second stream

>>7130325
Oh for sure it will bring in the views just because it's a Susie Cover, but it just feels lacking as a song but that might just be my bias due to tastes. I have a hard time seeing that it will continue to have a good growth after the first couple of weeks.

>>7130877
that aint true, same for nijis, indies, antitubers and for adblock or whatever.
Youtube live queues are just not good enough.
Holos have more people since most subs and fans acroos different timezones. That is all.

>>7130799
I wonder how many people will leave to watch Leos play Tetris 99 instead.
Also would be cool if he ends up another vtuber Tetris prodigy to rival Suisei (even if they'll never play it together)

>>7130902
>Holos have more people since most subs
lol

>>7130908
Even susei teteis streams doesnt get her a lot.
Also you dont need to be good at that for people to watch you, Hato had multiple tetris streams.
Leo seems to be more of a retro bit gamer but need to wait for more streams to see that.

>amanekanatach
>al that red
What the fuck?

>>7131061
is a1M endurance
and part of coco gachikois went to her.
she deserves it to be honest

>>7131022
There two types of numbers one should be considering when talking about "what gets what".
1) live viewers. It is true Tetris doesn't get a lot of those for Suisei
2) overall exposure, clips and name recognition. Those "what can Suisei do in 20 seconds" were the entry door for many not only into Suisei's world but on vtubing as a whole.

Any streamer optimizing for live viewers while neglecting name recognition and exposure are one "change in direction of wind" away from fading. See
> Choco sensei
massive ASMR growth when it was allowed, then almost one full year of nothingness

>>7131022
https://holo.poi.cat/vtuber/suisei

Her tetris streams are actually her most consistent game streams, numbers-wise. It's a game that never loses its freshness and she has gotten 20k+ multiple times solo with it, something that doesn't happen with MC or Apex.

>>7130304
She said that she was uploading a cover. It was supposed to be released yesterday but things happened. She tweeted about it 14 hours before the premiere

>>7131061
Samefagging here, apparently she is a good earner.

>>7131162
Yes. Even before a portion of Coco's former gachikois moved to Kanata she had a decent number of them. It's not something that ever really gets brought up.

>>7128826
>>7129061
ITT is weird in that it is way more fun to play than AWO but gets worse numbers exactly because it is more gameplay than storybeats of AWO

>>7131196
Kanata always had gachikois and was a top earner before Coco's graduation announcement. She's one of the holos that actively encourages gachikois explicitly.

>>7131227
There is also the fact Kanata is the designated "childhood poverty" Holo, the "eating grass" stories are part of her lore

>Axis and Lauren switching to Minecraft
Kek

>>7131278
Really? What happened? Tech issues?

>>7131278
is becasue axis is unable to stream it or realize it is a fucking long game.

>>7130369
This weird me out, her ccv is inclining but her VOD views are still the same as those 13k ccv streams. Maybe it's just her vod growth is very slow so it doesn't look much different.

>>7131278
They're both using generic MC Steve skins because their custom skins aren't made yet probably... feels bad

>>7131311
ina cultivate her fanabse across only one timeslot.
the poeple that want to check her out all do it during her streams mostly.

>>7131301
Axia's PC keeps dying on It Takes Two so they decided to just play Minecraft instead

>>7131344
Potato?

>3/5 people had tech issues.
>Leos seems a bit incompetent with certain things.
standard Niji things.

>>7131381
>Niji things
Nah, I lost 30% of my hearing yesterday because Haachama had massive sound issues until Flare helped her. HoloEN tech curses (including HoloEN0) are legendary

>>7131403
>>7131381
scuff is part of the charm

>>7131403
Speaking of numbers, her viewership was still rising during the scuff part, haachama is too strong.

Why hasn't Cover released the REAL number that matters the most? What is their capital stock as of now? It's $2.6 billion for ANYCOLOR.

>>7131341
Hmmm, that could be it, but how tho? People have jobs, don't they? Unless those are SEAfags decide not to sleep.

>>7131515
>$2.6 billion
You mean 2.6 billion yen or 23.6 million dollars.
If their previous statements have any water Cover is at about $15 million.

>>7131515
It's 2.6 billion yen. ~$24M. 1/3 of it is from Sony M. What you should be checking is their profit iirc from this year, what was it $320k?

>>7131558
Holy KEK how stupid can someone be too stupid fall for this >7131515 bait

>>7131515
>Capital Stock
That's not the number to numberfag, that's how much the shareholders are in the hole if the company goes down.

The real numberfag number is
>revenue
>profit

>>7131577
>320k
no fucking way it is that low

>>7131687
Profit = revenue - expenses. For companies expanding like Any and Cover they want to use any revenue they get as expenses to increase their size.

Amazon didn't turn a profit for a decade or even more, they just reinvested everything in the company

What the fuck is up with Sasaki's numbers? Is this Japanese baseball autism or is this a big Niji event?

>>7131687
320k in pure profit is pretty good, amazing even for a company of that size. Most similar tech companies operate on extremely slim profit margins, even negative profit if they work like amazon and reinvest most of their money back into the company

>>7131748
Japanese baseball autism that happens to be a big Niji event

>>7131748
How new? Nijibaseball has been going on for almost a week and a half now. Saku got 55k a few days ago.

>Sora daisenpai colab
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NscAkGhfDcM

Two of the people in this pic were some of the most subscribed vtubers in January 1, 2019

>>7131750
>>7131727
amazon didnt turn real profit until they invested in Cloud services thats where 80% of their money comes from.
unless they are spending out of the ass in stupid things they should at least have 600k of profit annually given the investments and time tey have been on top.

>>7131558
>Cover is at about $15 million
Do you have a source for this? Afaik, by April 2020, their capital stock was $4.528m, total assets was $7.5m and there hasn't been any update to this.

>>7131843
Cover hasn't grown that much since them.

>>7131820
I know of Siro, but who is the other one?

>>7131878
Siro should have strangled Sora in the crib. No Christmas miracle no Cover.

>>7131868
Cover has grown, but so have their expenses. Between adding a fuckton of employees and a new branch and having to write off a branch, those numbers would be very interesting to see, especially with the new sponsorships they've started to pick up.

>>7131931
didnt yago interview gave an estimate fo their renue of these year or at least by may.

>>7131868
Wtf are you talking about? 2020 was easily the largest year for both Cover and Anycolor if not 2021.

>>7131830
Lmao, are you still the same person from months ago talking about how Nijisanji is overspending?

>amazon didnt turn real profit until they invested in Cloud services thats where 80% of their money comes from.
>unless they are spending out of the ass in stupid things they should at least have 600k of profit annually given the investments and time tey have been on top.
Where is the relevance connecting these 2 statements? Where are you getting 600k from?

>>7131878
Fuji Aoi (long dark hair)
The trashbag looking thing in front of Siro is Hira who was apparently active as a regular youtuber before

Leos is too focused on talking and trying to entertain his viewers. He ends up doing bad in games as a result.

>>7131878
That's Fuji Aoi.
https://virtualyoutuber.fandom.com/wiki/Fuji_Aoi

Well, leo isnt good at tetris but at least is nice retention for now. might peak at 25k like eysterday.

>>7131727
Does expenses include the share of money to their investors? For example, If their total revenue in a year without any cuts is $3M, then Sony M would receive a portion from that say $1M after they spent $17M as in investments to the company. Sorry, I don't understand investments that much.

>>7131820
Honestly Siro is doing pretty good for herself, all things considered. Of the four kings she's the only one who's managed to transition to the streaming meta. Kaguya Luna and Ojiisan neko are dead, and Mirai Akari is still stuck in 2016 with her highly edited short skits which just doesn't cut it in 2021.

>>7131957
Yagoo said their total revenue in 2020 was 2桁億, so >$10m. Revenue is also not the same as capital stock nor total assets. Also has nothing to do with whether that anon has a source or not.

>>7131968
people making the amazon comparisions. Their spending on Amazon delivery services was alwas a low return itself isnt that rentable as a business but their could service is what pput them on the map. is kinda like current miscrosoft with azure
>months ago
nigga what are you talking about

>>7132056
revenue and profit is one of the most imporant aspects of a fiscal report so i was asking about that in specific.
theyr are private comoanies so most of that info will be disclosed privately.

>>7131996
Suisei he is not then. Suisei us actually ridicioulus with how she's able to keep up with her chat while doing as well as she does
>>7131957
So much has changed since then that any number given then will be irrelevant. Curry Meshi, gen5+en, losing CN, and Coco's ascension and graduation. Any number we could hope to try and predict from a statement over a year ago would be so far off it wouldn't even be an educated guess, it would be fortune telling.

>Cover hasn't grown that much since then.
Haha what?
Superchat through the roof, Way more than Nijisanji.
Sponsors collabs - Lawson/Family Mart/VARK etc.
EN sponsors at all these cons/Taco Bell commercial.
Merch - Most anni/birthday stuff sells out instantly.
Ticket sales - Bloom for HoloFes 2 apparently sold 50k (just from SPWN alone).

They have grown big time, As for staff additions
>2020年 123人 2021年 150人
>2020年 50人 2021年 189人

>>7131830
>until they invested in Cloud services
You are reading Amazon history wrong.
They built a massive technical infrastructure to be able to handle their Black Friday surge and had it idling for the rest of the year, so they started renting it out and that ended up becoming their main cash cow.

It mirrors Cover in a lot of ways, Cover had Sora as what Hatsune Miku was for Crypton (a mascot to showcase their product) and the whole "cute live action interactive anime girls" ended up becoming their main cash cow.

>>7131878
>who is the other one
Sora. Sora was the most subscribed Holo in jan 2019 with a little over 200k subs

>>7132100
He seems pretty good at it, but he's literally babbling non-stop, so it nerfs his potential a bit. Suisei doesn't talk as much.

>>7132167
Of course, just as I say that he's not at that level, he manages to snag 2nd. He's also at 24k now, not bad, not bad.

>>7132121
The only notable thing is superchats, they're way behind in sponsors, events and merch.

>>7132167
susei talks a lot, thats why it is impressive when she does it.
but she has been playing tetris since a child so it is an unfair comparision.Leo is slow but seems thathas read the rules of what to do to hence his waiting at the beggining.

>>7132204
Numbers?

>>7132204
no evidence or proof of course just you saying it.

Haachama just (re)scheduled her singing stream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVCvK2XTvho

2 hours to go, waiting room with 500+ people

In other news, Kanata hit 1M

Kanata reached 1 mil subs after 90 mins of singing. She needed like 6000 right? That's crazy fast.

>>7132300
That makes her, what, the 25th millionaire vtuber?

>>7132204
This is the numbers thread, people are insistent in actual first party numbers from trustworthy sources.

>>7132315
It's 1 million, they always go fast.
Also i think it was 4k

>>7132204
where are the numbers?

>>7132121
Oh I thought it showed the name, first is Niji second is Holo for staff additions.

17k for first MC seems low

>>7132323
On Holo alone she's the 22nd
>Gawr Gura
>Usada Pekora
>Inugami Korone
>Mori Calliope
>Shirakami Fubuki
>Houshou Marine
>Kiryu Coco
>Watson Amelia
>Minato Aqua
>Uruha Rushia
>Shirogane Noel
>Akai Haato
>Sakura Miko
>Nekomata Okayu
>Ninomae Ina'nis
>Takanashi Kiara
>Natsuiro Matsuri
>Hoshimachi Suisei
>Oozora Subaru
>Nakiri Ayame
>Tsunomaki Watame
>Amane Kanata

I know Kizuna AI is (and has a second channel also over 1M) and I think Kaguya reclined behind 1M. Is there any other over 1M?

>>7132323
22 from Hololive, plus Ai, Nyanners if you're a retard and don't discount her for having her channel long before being a vtuber, and formerly Kaguya Luna before she disappeared

>>7132394
Nyanners technically counts even though she's using her old channel from before she became a vtuber.

>>7132398
Nyanners is an obvious no go, or at very least all her subs before creating an avatar should be docked.

>>7132394
Hololive grew so much within the year and there's still people saying that they're way behind in sponsorships, merch and events kek

>>7132459
Subs =/= sponsorship, they barely have any compared to Nijisanji in Japan. If you just check out Niji twitter they get sponsorships almost every week.

>>7132459
they are, the chine debuff is still active and there are a lot of sponsors that are avoiding them

>>7132459
Game sponsorship I agree because those chinks pay good moneh than nips. general sponsorship like lawson, redbull, line, family mart, japan post nada

>>7132459
>there's still people saying that they're way behind in sponsorships, merch and events
There is no evidence either way so it is not even worth speculating.

>>7132480
We already discussed this. Hololive gets more nowadays. High profiles ones too. Self produced stuff are not sponsorships

>>7131820
Now she knows not to do that again.

>>7132524
Google sponsorship is far more high profile than anything holo has ever gotten, especially since it translated into sponsored streams for a dozen Nijisanji livers.

Is... Is Noel inclining?

Immediately ends the stream after one more song with no superchat reading? That's surprising, well we'll see how her total ends up, Playboard has $35k so far but that could still go up quite a bit.

>>7132544
She's preparing to join someone's(mystery)Kensetsu. That's gonna get views baby, plus Kanata just finished her stream so people are gonna switch streams now.

>>7132544
>20k
is the cow striping on stream or what the fuck is she doing?

>>7132611
>striping
What kind of stripes?

>>7132524
>>7132514

Also it's literally already July. Just wait for Cover's financial report. Can't believe no one in this thread has ever paid $5 for Teikoku Bank's estimates on Cover's revenue either.

maybe is just me but these new batch of nijis.
The rigging seems so unexpressive

>>7132651
Numbers? You lost?

>>7132651
It's pretty stiff but they'll benefit from being able to throw a Live2D 2.0 party in half a year or so and rake in some cash from SCs/merch. It's all marketing.

>>7132644
Buddy if we were willing to shell out money for our numberfagging we would've made a vnuma replace by now.

>>7132435
Mafumafu counts too then

>>7132544
buff game, funneling view

>>7132543
Lol. Nissin aired commercials nationwide using Hololive. They advertised Aqua everywhere even in regular supermarkets outside of Tokyo.

please watch hololive

>>7132644
>Can't believe no one in this thread has ever paid $5 for Teikoku Bank's estimates on Cover's revenue either
Yeah why haven't someone do this yet?

>>7132651
Yes, rigging is shit. That's how AnyKara works. At least, people didn't point out Gura's flaws in her debut. Anyway, not numbers, go to the niji thread.

>>7132514
What I mean is that Hololive is more or less on par with niji now. They don't have deeps pockets or connections that niji has, but they are striving.

>>7132678
Look I'm a simple man, if it appears on this list, it's a vtiuber.
https://virtual-youtuber.userlocal.jp/document/ranking

>>7132702
their site couldnt handle the traffic from aquafest and had to cancel.

>>7132651
i assume its all old models
axia account was created in january 2020
first audition for oliver was in 2019

>>7132710
Many are starting 8 or 9. Pekora, Miko and Subaru with Marine will get the numbers

>>7132720
>more or less on par
I disagree. But they are four parallel universes ahead of where they started

>>7132398
Wolfychu, Sodapoppin and that Latino Pewdiepie exists too.

>Last 30 days of growth
Hololads growing strong enough to catch up to the bottom girls.

>>7132702
and niji collab with japan baseball league, what's the point?

>>7132980
No way in hell do any of those count, may as well add Pokimane and Pewdiepie

>>7132980
>Sodapoppin
Never fail to make me laugh

>>7132771
There's this list too
https://virtual-youtuber.userlocal.jp/office/convert
Won't be surprised if vshojo fans spammed the site and she was added to the normal ranking because of that.

Irys completely change her schedule timeslot again. She's gonna compete with the jp girls in prime time i guess.

>>7133362
8.2k playing a horror game everyone has already played is decent, especially when competing against the JP girls. Looks like she's picking up the EOPs in the SEA area since none of the ID girls are on right now, and whatever eastcoasters that are up and don't have work/school yet.

>>7133362
Likely gauging how much JOP audience potential she has

>>7133737
Night Delivery is for some reason extremely popular though

>>7133058
Are you fucking referring to the game they are playing? Lol

>>7133737
I see some familiar faces from other jp girls chat in her chat now, mostly tw and hkers.

>>7133737
>none of the ID girls are on right now
There are 2000 people watching Reine, which is somewhat above average.

>>7133923
Not by much, mind, she usually gets 1-2k

>>7133863
as expect of holobrony, living in ignorant bubble

>>7131162
That $400k gap between 1st and 2nd place sure is a sight to behold. It'll take quite a while before she's dethroned from the top. Even in death she still mogs.

>>7133047
If Kaoru was still here he'd be above 500K what a waste.

>>7133923
I missed that Reine was streaming right now. How did I manage that?
Up to 9.4k for IRyS. There is definitely space for a non-ID English speaker to stream during these hours, if this is anything to go by.

>>7133935
It's not sponsored retard

Leos still holding 22k people hostage in his search for 1st place two hours in, I'm impressed, even if it's only his first week.

>Haachama waiting room holding 1.8k ppl 1 hour prior
S-Strongest idol?

>>7134199
>2 weeks after debut
>1st stream ever at this timeframe/catchable by euros without insomnia
>horror buff game (15.x peak Mori, 16.x peak Ina)

Holding 9k with so many other girls streaming, not a bad time slot for her to consider.

>>7134749
It's a buff game that is popular with nips, don't get your hopes up

>>7134910
Most of her chat are eops

>>7134970
How new are you?
JOPs are usually extremely quiet/not posting unless explicitly engaged by the streamer. Prime example of that is Kiara's streams

>>7135009
Kinda like Miko's old school EOP's. They know to be quiet with the English unless spoken to. New breed EOP's are cancer.

current numbers

>>7135083

>>7135009
>thinking JOPs would watch Irys when a bunch o top tier JP's are streaming

>>7135125
Why wouldn't they check out the new girl that streams in JP primetime for the first time?

>>7135009
How new are you to Irys. She always have JP chat. Even during the retarded hours that she streams. Her chat is 20% JP and 80% EOP.

predictions?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKMuhWHDFps

>>7135209
The moment she answered a question in Kanji, they immediately showed up and stayed. Her SCs are also in Kanji. She rarely translates and just speaks in nip to have little conversations with them and then talks in EOP

>>7135119
1/3 Coco congrats!!

>>7135083
Axia's stream died so people migrated to Lauren's. It's 25k now.

>>7134235
it is though
nijisanji members even appeared in game
https://twitter.com/pawa_app573/status/1409401130472275971?s=19

and there's collab goods
https://twitter.com/nijisanji_app/status/1409330773702987780?s=19

>>7135354
shut up shut up shut up

leos no... you were supposed to become a new kuzuha...

>>7135354
Retard. This is a game. Not the actual baseball league game. It's not the same as Aqua getting a whole ass Horse Race event be about her.

>>7135119
Jun is honorary holo

>>7135119
>260k
Miko btfo.

>>7135418
You mean pekora's boyfriend.

>>7135403
as expect of holobrony, living in ignorant bubble

>>7135433

>>7135403
Anon do you really want to embarrass yourself like this?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/prtimes.jp/main/html/rd/amp/p/000000195.000030865.html

>>7135350
This completely disproves these
>>7130597
>>7130877

>>7135492
It’s funny how easy holobronies make it THIS easy to prove them wrong everytime

>>7135492
2020. Now they all get is 3 characters in a game and host their own merch

>>7135403
you shouldnt flex horse race on nijisanji

>>7135473
proof?

manjisanji

>>7135666
its long debunked rumor, and I dont know why the hell this numbers thread is being filled with tribal and falseflag schizo bullshit.

This is a numbers thread, post fucking numbers.

>>7135666
Just joking anon, it was an old 5ch rrat.

>>7135664
I'm still waiting for anything for any Niji event that is sponsored by any company in 2021. Most of them are choosing Hololive. Most Niji events are self shilling.

>>7135765
Are you being retarded on purpose lmfao, they have literal shows being sponsored by companies in their main channel and In their niji bara show.

Do your fucking research before you spout stupid shit

>>7135765
they shill something from someone big every month dude, if you want to b8 then might as well call them sellouts.

https://playjp.withgoogle.com/event/playonchallenge/2021/program/program1/player/

>>7135935
Hololive has never been sponsored by fucking google huh, I wonder what else the holobronie might come up with

>>7135722
>>7135729
Exactly, he has a different target now

>>7135221
50k at best, 30k at worst

>>7135935
>>7135971
Again. Event. A concert. A whole damn event. Google is the only thing that is considered big ticket. Nothing more. The rest are just Chinese mobile shit

>>7135935
You don't need to destroy holobronies like that, google is too big dick for them to swallow

>16 streams going on right now
Bad planning for Choco and Roboco, should not have scheduled for prime time

>>7135473
You mean Marine's boyfriend. He said it himself that they have "半分体の関係". Pekpra/Korone are just people in the same streaming circle.

>>7135925
Hololive does whole scale paid sponsored events in NND as well. Not much of a difference.

>>7136164
Also
>What's with Pekora doing two streams a day everyday
She's really numberfagging herself into #1, right?

How debuffed Amouranth got this month with Twitch ban?

>>7136276
Is it a holiday in JP or something? Normally she only does two streams a day on weekends/holidays, but if she's gunning for that 1st place metric...then again, maybe she just wants to get through the debuff game asap as well.

>>7136113
I swear to god holobronies. Kagami & Ibrahim 3D debut is half sponsored, they also got chink money from BML. What do you want next?

>>7136381
Summer holidays, yeah.

>>7136395
Calm down falseflag-kun.

>>7136276
she is doing 3 streams in a day sometimes, if we add the streamed hours per day it's big twitch streamer tier yeah?

>>7135765
Isn't most of their tourament event is sponsored? Especially baseball & mahjong.

>>7136418
It explains why Haachama is back into streaming.

Also
>With Subaru finishing her stream (feat. Marine) the viewers scattered all across the other streams.

>>7136499
s-sugoi

>>7136455
>if we add the streamed hours per day it's big twitch streamer tier yeah
Pekora is #3 in Q2 2021, she surely is grinding Q3 for the chase

kuzuha channel just went live

Another baseball
https://youtu.be/hsc32wWvXBg

Whenever I see NijivsHolo, it's always falseflaggers on Niji side vs newfags on Holo side.
Everyone, well except newfags, knows that Niji doesn't make more money than Holo, because the size of their whole fanbase is only 1/5 of Hololive.

>>7136660
Sorry, same anon here, I mistyped. I mean
>Niji DOES make more money than Holo

>>7136660
>>7136737
>make more money
>smaller fanbase
Falseflag-chama?

>>7136572
don't think she can beat the boss amouranth the queen of simps

What happen with holo's ace? that's a pathetic number

>>7136917
They're reading superchat duh.

>>7136917
i just wanna know why kuzuha channel getting outviewed by fucking tetris
what is this timeline

>>7136917
those are some weak ass numbers for kuzuha. didnt even manage to wait with your shitpost before he picked up some steam did you?

>>7137101
He’s at 35k right now

>>7137149
well duh, its kuzuha baseball. wouldn't be surprised if he gets 80k with it

>>7137101
he's 7 minutes in, give it time

>>7137179
no

>>7136973
reading sc at 34 minutes?

>>7137096
and this is why we didn't use real time counts until vnuma shat the bed

proof that youtube does not filter every channel by the same amount of spamviews for the live count:
>haachama 3 mins in, 26,5k live, 40,3k total views
>kuzuha 4 mins in, 24,0k live, 24,7k total views
in other words, live viewers is a shitty metric

>>7136499
>>7136917
>>7136164
Seem like hololives fanbases are overlap hard while niji has some wide range of viewer

>>7137242
> live viewers is a shitty metric
Not gonna stop people from using them to go tribal and push their narratives.

>>7137242
now this is a holocope, i wonder why you didn't say it when niji was at the bottom

>>7137242
What site?

>>7137347
been saying it since december spamviews update, retardchama

>>7137242
3rd party sites are shit but I trust google's numbers

>>7137242
Yeah it's shitty when Hololive is losing. Don't worry, Niji will go back to the bottom once the baseball shit is over.

>>7137347
It's already posted multiple times during the Gura vs Peko December numbers.

>>7137242
Miko with 100k+ polling votes while having a constant 20k live viewership is quite telling.

>>7137242
lol look at the amount of seethe this is generating already. Im saving this one, thanks.

>>7137480
Jun likewise, see >>7135433
> 150k live viewers
> 260k poll answrs

>>7137512
That was 3 hours though, at that point you expect a lot of people to filter in and out

>>7137242
because you are using the numbers at the right which are 3rd party to support your loser narrative while the numbers at the left come from youtube server which is the only thing that matter
stop coping

>>7137571
>numbers from a third party that reads it directly from youtube's own code
anon..

>>7136973
nah, but DQ filters eops hard, there were 30k people watching her minecraft stream early

nijifaggot has only 1 popular faggot whereas holopantheon has multiple popular hologoddesses
kek the cope

Haato's comeback buff is dead already? Only 13k people.

>>7137748
>comeback buff
If Haachama got a long buff for every comeback she would be beating Pekora right now. How many hiatus she has in 2021 alone, some 5?

>>7137719
>nijifaggot has only 1 popular faggot
Now I can really tell holobronies don’t watch niji at all lmao

>>7137242
no wonder nijiniggers are so desperate about looking only at live views instead of vod views.

>>7137242
Interesting.
Why don't you check this site when holo has high numbers?

>>7137748
She have more, susan just don't want to pay holos more ads money so she kills the rest of viewers.

>>7137801
THIS! It's more like 3 or 4

>>7137700
So half of her fanbase is indeed EOP like that poll, sound about right, we can stop the argument of who has larger JOP fanbase at this point

>>7137294
After the Coco thing, people are likely looking for alternatives to Hololive. Cover should release a new gen for both EN and JP, to drive interest again. They should also get new management.

>>7137818
>when holo has high numbers
do you count haachama's cooking as low numbers? Or havent you even bothered to read?

>>7137242
VOD views are youtube was built to measure, not the spaghetti that holds together their live system. ccv is a trash metric

>>7137903
Who are those people? even tatsunokos merely watch kson and hololive instead of abandoning them for kson entirely.

>>7137812
>looking only at live views instead of vod views.
but kuzuha has more vod viewers than haachama...

>>7137903
i've noticed the sudden drop in average viewers, still not sure if it's related to the chairman

>>7136499
>It explains why Haachama is back into streaming
Only partly. She wanted to quit but was talked out of it.

>>7137903
>>7137966
>Who are those people?
The voices in his head

>>7137857
Yeah but EOPs are viewers too. In the end, 1 eop is equal to 1 jap.

>>7137979
show us

>>7137812
You meant this VOD views?

>>7138060
>newbie buff
Doesn't count.

>>7137905
Only reason someone posted this was to cope because they expected higher numbers for their console wars
Otherwise you would be looking it up for everyone

>>7137903
finally using nijisanji summer incline from debuts and baseball, to drag out this old narrative again eh?

>>7138026
pretty sure 3rd world monkey views are worth as shit

>>7138060
>1.5M views / 44k likes
>1M views / 97k likes
Really made me think

>>7138046

>>7138195
>eop loves to leave like, subscribe and share and hololive is eop center
yeah, really make me think

>>7138195
We've been over this already, the nips that watch niji rarely rate their streams

>>7138230
delete this

>>7138230
he streams more often than her and for longer periods of time stop setting him up retard

>>7138107
anon, haachama got 50k live for a fucking cooking stream. Everybody was expecting lower numbers than what she got.
>>7138230
1hr vs 5hr, are you retarded?

>>7137966
>Coco leaving cannot effect Hololive at all.
I disagree. It all adds up, at least to some degree.
>>7138012
Well only in part. My opinion is that love for Hololive declined a bit for many factors. One of which is poor management.
>>7138126
I don’t know what you mean. In my opinion, things are just not the same as they used to be. I think Gen 2 for EN may help fix it.

>>7138252
Holy Nijicope. This is embarrassing, you should try to be more subtle next time.

>>7138291
he's either misunderstanding the numbers or baiting but either way he's definitely retarded

>>7138311
>I think Gen 2 for EN may help fix it.
hopefully not as boring as irys holy shit.

>>7138291
So many excuses...
You know they don't have to have the biggest number everytime right?
And you don't need to defend them when they get lower numbers.

>>7138284
>>7138291
what does it matter? you said that haato has more viewers than him, and that ain't the case, if she wants to catch up then maybe try streaming more.

Old number but still..

The amount of copes for the past week are amazing

>>7138362
maybe try hanging yourself

>>7137903
When the fuck are they releasing a new gen. EN has so much dead hours now that they’re taking a lot of breaks.

>>7138345
You either haven't watched Irys yet or think the definition of an exciting streamer are people that always scream memes

And we've gone into the baiters baiting baiters part of the numbers thread.

>300 replies
>60 posters
OH the shitposters again

>>7138389
Use Pekora as b8 next time, she actually has big numbers unlike Haato.

>>7138389
Resorting to death threats, the refuge of the feeble-minded with no rebuttal

>>7137966
>even tatsunokos merely watch kson
Maybe because she is not streaming yet?

>>7138362
long way to confirm that you indeed are retarded

>>7138400
>When the fuck are they releasing a new gen. EN has so much dead hours now that they’re taking a lot of breaks
Because the “honeymoon” period people talk about (the period before boredom) has been over for some time for EN. Also they need more variety of streamers, otherwise people may go elsewhere after getting bored. Some might be going to Niji EN, at least a small amount. JP has a greater variety than EN, so Cover has to improve EN a bit too.
I also think Cover could use better management p.

>>7138362
>>7138429
Holocaust....

>>7138428
That's normal for the numbers thread though, especially a ten hour numbers thread.

>>7138372
>89.1%
>90.4%
Holy shit. Niji's growth rate is actually below Holostars. And Holostars is actually doing way better now while Niji is either growing at the same rate or reclining, I can totally see them becoming bigger than Nijisanji.

>>7138523
Is this post being ironic?

you shitposters should go to sleep, it's very late at SEA

>>7138580
Nerver seen a bait thread with spic language?

nijifaggots
>have to suck kuzuha balls to be relevant
holochads
>full of cute and pure waifus to choose, plenty of them are popular and strong enough to have the fanbase play fighting against eachother

>>7138372
>hololive sees increased subs and views during Golden Week compared to nijisanji
This proves that hololive's fanbase are mostly normie tourists who only tune in when they're free and explains why the Olympic debuff has hit them harder than nijisanji

>>7138650
nobody fucking watches the olympics other than the swimming events though

>>7138489
There’s three talents that are going on a week break around the same time. Ina, Mori and Ame.

>>7138650
Who is trying to prove what and to who?
I have lost count on how many times the word normie being thrown around between two sides that i'm not sure its meant to be compliment or not.

>>7138671
>nobody fucking watches the olympics
ftfy

>>7138681
what're you talking about?
https://twitter.com/watsonameliaEN/status/1419868998536105986/photo/1

what this tells me is kuzuha channel does in fact live rent free in the minds of shitposters

>>7138763
welcome to late stage numbers thread where the oroboros of baiters baiting baiters has advanced to such a stage that they've developed their own jargon that's only meant to bait other baiters and is utterly incomprehensible to regular people.

>>7138681
? Are you sure they aren't stagged? I know they've mentioned taking breaks, but I'm pretty sure they aren't all taking the same week off.

>>7138832
He's the only niji that can consistently give Pekora a run for her money so of course he gets brought up.

>>7138863
this pekora? lol.

how do we save vtubers

>>7138640
flips

The olympics end on Aug 8th right? So maybe Cover will release Holo EN Gen 2 soon after that? I thought it was going to be end of July, and if it was, it could’ve been delayed over the olympics.

Holy shit every time I come to this thread I feel like I get a little dumber reading all the "inferences" people make from the numbers. I thought numberfags were bad for being mostly tribalist retards, but it's even sadder when people try to be serious about it. At least there are some saving graces like that graph anon.

>>7138979
TGC mogged by kenmochi oh no no no no how can we save them bros

>>7138979
What's that twitch Jun account?

>>7139040
The answer lies in you post anon, cunny will save TGC so sayeth kenmochi.

>>7138979
>no vtuber in top 10
It's over...

>>7131113
Actually it might be nice if the chartfag could throw together something about Suisei's Tetris streams. In my recollection, back in winter, she used to get 20k peaks only with karaoke and Tetris, but after a dearth of Tetris streams this spring she has been getting 30k+ with karaoke, but only her new regular stream numbers (10-15k) with Tetris. I've been wondering if that's a real decline in her Tetris numbers or just me.

>>7139215
>back in winter,
depending on when in winter zou might be remebering her view numbers before youtube changed the way it count live viewers

>>7138681
>There’s three talents that are going on a week break around the same time. Ina, Mori and Ame.
Gura apparently now too. I think it’s related to Hololive stuff, and maybe they are all moving in together or something. Who knows.

People dropped purple heart hard after red heart kill the rats

>>7138681
Ame is later, Mori is half a week starting on Saturday

>>7138923
the same

>>7137242
kuzuha started stream right away
while haachama had a waiting room

>>7138832
if you mean the shitposters pretending to be kuzuhafans then sure

HOW DO WE SAVE MANJISANJI LADS?
>why are women allowed to lead?

>>7139662
>didn't even put in the work to make an updated version

>>7139501
that's the picture of the start of the stream, not the waiting room. See how it says "X people watching now" instead of "X people waiting"

>>7139662
I wonder why you're not showing their views instead

>>7139881
maybe it counts views of waiting rooms?

>>7139933
it doesnt

>>7140070
doesnt fit your narrative?

>>7140070
I know the time a stream starts is determined by the time a waiting room goes up so it might

>>7140089
Not him but views are views. You're not one of those people that think JOP viewers are worth more than the EOP ones, are you?

>>7140089
the irony of this post

>>7140138
That anon is trying to argue that it means some views aren’t being counted though when it could just be that those views are from the waiting room

>>7140089
>>7140070
>>7139933
waiting room = 0 views, no matter how many people are there waiting

>>7140070
t. youtube engineering department CEO

>>7140268
What is this website anyway

>>7140288
livecounts . io

>>7140343
Do they disclose their methodology or its some sort of "mystery meat secret sauce"?

>>7139025
I would guess after HoloJP5 debut dates (so bit after 14th august)

>>7140375
:"Everything is directly taken from official API Service provided by (the) Social Networks"
>"Every single count is updated every 2 seconds and is as accurate as possible."

>>7140375
For viewcount of an ongoing stream you can also literally open the source code of the video page and ctrl-f for "viewcount" and get it

>>7140435
ops both are quotes, failed to greentext the first one

So basically, Hololive didn't lose to Niji, right?

>>7140472
well, views are views, botted or not

Numberfagging during koshien is pointless, The people going from sub 10k to 20/30/40k shows how big it is, It's probably the biggest Nijisanji moment throughout the year. They all gather then check out when it's over.
It was the highest concurrent stream before Gura for a reason.

>>7140628
holy cope

>i...it doesn't count!
It would be way more peaceful if everyone thinks that way. Nijifags can just go full schizo in their own thread, thinking they're bigger than Holo and be happy.

>>7140693
what am I coping with?

>>7139662
Yeah, on dead subs lmao

>>7140720
Dick measuring contests are for insecure losers anyway. Even more pathetic when it's not even your own dick on the line, but the dick of some company to which your own contributions amount to as much as a fart in the best of scenarios.

>>7132023
Dividends? It has to be marked specifically.

>>7140740
don't reply to the baitposter

>>7140828
t. dickleet

>>7132644
>Can't believe no one in this thread has ever paid $5 for Teikoku Bank's estimates on Cover's revenue either.
>$5 for a report
I don't think it's that cheap. Moreover, how do you even go about inquiring for a report as an individual?

>>7135502
It didn't need to be killed. Anyone who wasn't a complete retard knew how YouTube counts live views changed since December 2020.

>>7141476
In most countries this type of disclosure is not only public but also compulsory.

Here is the burger equivalent, for AAPL
https://www.sec.gov/edgar/browse/?CIK=320193&owner=exclude

mmm seem the thread went to shit with the falsflagger after i went away.
Anway, i think it might be obvious but i think koshen is starting huritng most lower end nijis if they overlap it. i know most dont see their numebrs but seems far lower than usual.

>>7137386
Looks like livecounts.

>>7141766
>i know most dont see their numebrs but seems far lower than usual.
didn't niji have a jetri like site that showed the livers streaming and their views at the moment? or was it just jetri with nijis added? the site could provide some nice hard numbers

>>7141766
>their numbers seem far lower than usual
Nobody here watches nijis so we don't know the usual or the current number

>>7139865
>>7139662
who the fuck is she tho? there's no way some girl with that crazy growth is no name girl without internet presence, she probadly had a fanbase somewhere, also she has an ASMR mic during debut which means she was somekind of voice related content creator

>>7140472
this is some olympic level of mental gymnastic
cope

>>7141874
probably someone from NND then? its always funny that people on this board asume the new hires were vtubers before when more often than not they were doing some other type of content

>>7141655
Doesn't that apply only to publicly traded corporations? There's a reason we don't have financial reports on Valve and shit.

>>7141874
no new jp holos for a year so holotourists gave her a boost
they will get filtered hard tomorrow

>>7141874
Literally no one knows who she is yet anon

>>7137242
i can explain this one to some degree.
new users to a channel or youtube in general take a while to get validate by youtube VOD queues. if they are not enagging like holofanbase do with likes or chatting then it just queues them until the end and will only show houtrs after the stream finsihes.
Thats why fro example someone like lain peterson will end up with 56k on her chatting stream by the end and would suddenly increase to 200k after 2hrs of the stream finishing. becasue it has many poeple that either are not regualr viewers to either the channel or youtube. This is more obivous with stream events with high viewership. Both nijis and holos face this but is most notorioulsy with nijis NOW since they have more "tourists" at this moment
CCV is still a trash metric tough just becasue youtube spaguetti code will fuck shit up

>>7141871
im talking about ars, ibrahim and other lower end of the spectrum.
Ibrahim is still with his big project but viewrship seems like has taken a toll from last weeks.
ARS also is really low, maybe 2k lower than usual.

>>7142483
>Ibrahim is still with his big project but viewrship seems like has taken a toll from last weeks.
WE GOT TOO COCKY IBRAHIM-BROS

>>7142205
same happened with haachama though, on the end of her video she had little over 100k views, and now 600k. The queuing is one thing that happens for everyone; how much youtube filters each channel's fanbase from the live count is another.

>Ollie vs. Gundou Mirei collab scheduled
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ghzt6N1WB14

1st) Tribalists BTFO!
2nd) Any predictions for the numbers?

>>7144823
3-5k ish, probably. Maybe less if there's a really hyped stream going on.

>>7144904
That on the Ollie side is par for the course, what about on the Niji counterpart side?

>>7144990
I don't know enough about nijisanji to make a definitive statement, but my understanding is that gundou is one of those "~1k viewers" nijis so I doubt she'll bring much to affect the viewcount one way or the other.