/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>71176399
Niji doko?

USA USA USA

>>71176399
>The ENTIRETY of Homostars EN and JP has less subs than just Gura.
Why is Yagoo even keeping the lights on for these guys?

>>71176412

>>71176399
Oh no... Stars numbers too low and the Voxsisters are mad. How do we save Stars from the sisters?

>>71176399
HoloEN will be its own subsidiary soon

>>71176464
Because there is a large female market to engage with, and they would be stupid to drop that? Plus, it makes money. Some of those guys get more SC's than a lot of the JP girls.

>>71176412
Damn, the gura-kizuna race to 3 million was so long ago and she retired before she could get there. Kinda sad

>>71176543
Source: My ass.

>>71176412
I see this ranking and see Calli as the only other EN in the top 10 and I just can't help but feel bad for Kiara. The one who wanted to be an idol and be a vtuber more than anyone is losing to a bitch who did this as a joke at first. I guess attitude and gumption alone isn't enough to get you to the top after all.

>>71176543
I mean look at niji who own the female market, you definitly want to drop that as soon as possible.

>>71176554
No actually she hit 3 mil but then fell back down

>>71176554
She made it 3 million five days after Gura. Lost subs since her hiatus.

Hope you're ready for censorship

>>71176700
>need 2mil to even make it on the list
Stand proud, kiara. You're strong

Well anons?

>>71176778
>since her hiatus.
its not really a hiatus tho is it? shits was pretty much a graduation but the company decided to turn her into a vocaloid to hold on to the IP
also a typo on page 25 "Garmany" we sure this is an official document?

>>71176399
>Negligible
AAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>71176707
You still want to have involvement in that area, and Cover is publicly traded so they will have people that would pressure them when others see success. It's the same as asking why Hololive insists on having Vsingers despite being the company that has burned any talent that just wants to sing the most and all of them thus far needing to shift to variety and actual streaming. I don't know how long they'll treat Regloss and pretend they're still the musically focused play of the company until they'll try again but you can bet they will.

>>71176857
>GARmany
Why yes

>>71176563
Source: I don't know man... for example, does this kid makes money?

>>71176399
>ironmouse and filian are more relevant to Hololive than niji
Grim.

>>71176444
>content consumption
Are they talking were the views come from or something else?

>>71177126
It's measured in jpy so no

>>71176700
Who gives a crap about who what wanted and why they did it? What matters is results. And Mori is in a whole different league from Kiara. Kiara is a streamer who dreams to be an idol. Cali went out there and made it as an artist. How many EP's and Albums she has?

>>71176399
What IS Dev_IS anyway?

>>71176857
>Garmany

>>71176444
>Garmany
kek

>>71176820
that's ambitious

>>71176399
Expertly crafted shareholder report, got me thinking for a second that making vtubers into a global phenomenon akin to Pokemon would have actually been possible. Much better than anything I've ever seen from Niji.

>>71176707
All I see is money. Set aside the NijiEN crap, they are as relevant to Anycolor as they are to us. But have you seen Kuzuha? He made 2.1 million dollars in SC's All the top 3 high earnes of Niji are men... 4 of top 5, 8 of top 10. That's millions of dollars my dude... women, and especially Japanese women, are high spenders.

>>71176399
>releasing this right before anycolor's investor meeting
That's fucking brutal. Bravo Yagoo.

>>71176541
Not soon
It's already happened.
We even already know the stock option and the location of NA branch.

>>71176781
Another idiot who didn't read the document... does it not hurt being this stupid?

>>71176444
>garmany + france beating Japan
>uk + garmany + france > USA
>still no EU gen that streams EU hours
Thanks yagbro very cool

>>71177126
No, they talk about content consumers in general, I think.

>>71176444
>garmany

>>71176700
>losing
they are genmates, not competitors.

>>71176444
>China
you mean Taiwan right?

>>71177398
You... you do understand what a fiscal quarter is, right?

>>71176399
>"*2:Fuwawa Abyssgard and Mococo Abyssgard, who shared a channel, were counted as one person"

>>71177458
>spending this much when no content for you
tbf, how and why pander to euro at this point. they don't do shit and it's working, so best not to upset the balance

>>71176700
Should've kept her ass auditioning for JP like the Twins, idol is for asians only people don't care about a westerner playing pretend

>>71177582
No Taiwan is its own seperate country

>>71177633
Shut the fuck up. Its safe players like you that never get anywhere in the first place

>>71176444
Indonesia doko?

>>71176507
>2.55 million subs
>spamming shorts
>too afraid to stream on YouTube

>>71177686
Crying won't get you anywhere, dry your tears, start your own VTuber agency, pander to Europe, surpass Hololive make then kneel and open EU playing 2nd fiddle to your Euros and then you can talk shit, until then no one here wants to hear it.

>>71177633
literally just get 5 whores who stream in euro hours what the fuck

>>71176444
>India
Since when do Pajeets watch vtubers?

>>71177398
Retardchama...

>>71177596
This isn't their financial report anon. They already released that in February.

>>71176444
>UK 9.9
I'm kind of surprised
>Garmany
KEK

>>71177666
nah in this case they consolidated all the Chinese territories under a single flag. that "China" also includes Hong Kong and Chinese Taipei. Cover needs to adhere to the One China Policy since they're returning to China.

>>71176444
Where's ID?

>>71177260
It is but there's definitely a lot of untapped markets Vtubing hasn't even gone through even just through streaming.
I'm still waiting for my dinosaur autist Vtuber that gives monthly lectures on different dinosaurs/extinct animals.

>>71176543
>females watching male streamers
Literally dosent fucking happen, what are you fuckers even smoking??
Females dont watch male streamers, they watch normie shit, cooking, beauty, and male idols.
Homos sure as fuck arnt talented enough to attract the idol audiance, and if you want fujos you need to pander to them with gay shit like NijiEN did.
Male vtubing is a dead market unless you want to pander to fujos which stars dont really do, not to mention most male vtubers act like fags so you only have the lgbtqiaihavementalillness people watching them.
Cover will find way more success if they debut more competent women, Suisei probably has a bigger female audience then the whole Homostars branch combined.

>>71177764
They don't watch vtubers, they watch hololive

>>71177160
Official Hololive Comedy troupe. I can only come to conclusion after ruling out all other possibilities and factoring in Raden's pervasive rakugo.

>>71177925
nijisanji proves otherwise, where the males are their biggest streamers

>>71176412
melting down

>>71176412
Damn filian ate. You could have given me infinite guesses for who the 4th most subbed vtuber is and I'd still never have guessed her I had no idea she was that big now

>>71177959
Yeah, but it’s manjisanji. Also, anon already said it
>>unless you want to pander to fujos
Yumes too, but good luck with that.

>>71177959
Yeah they have mentally ill fujos and homos dont have the balls to pander to them, nor should they try to because its the most cancerous group of people under the heaven.
Moreover, only 4 nijimales are even relevent anymore. you are beating a deadhorse.

>>71176543
>a large female market to engage with
>average stars ccv

>>71178013
She also has billion views on her channel, but most of its is shorts holos might as well be existing n a different plane of existence in terms of actual popularity.

>>71178065
>what is Strawberry Prince, or God forgive me for uttering his name, Mafumafu.

>>71177959
their biggest streamer can't get to 5Kccv anymore lmfao

>>71178112
>average stars ccv
>starts naming random shit unrelated to stars
baffling

So, hypothetically, IF HoloEN became a US-based subsidiary, would they still have game perm issues?

>>71178145
It’s just how they cope, preasu andastand

>>71176399
I love how people who don't know shit eat up subscriber numbers even though the vast majority of subscribers are dead ones stemming from the COVID era.

>>71177714
>Too afraid
Youtube isn’t meant for streaming.

>>71176399
Following in Brave Groups footsteps

>>71178294
And yet it's the only platform with a decent VOD system.

>>71176543
>leddit pasta

>>71177603
Always have been

>>71177851
On the verge of dissolution

>>71178184
Yeah they'd still have to ask for perms, but hopefully it'd be easier to get them.

>>71178601
So there is no escaping from JP perm autism? That sucks. Thought there might be a loophole there.

>>71178308
So, is cover planning to make a new group/production? Or are they going to keep expanding the holopro like they did with regloss?

Company A-Sisters... I don't feel so good...

>>71176444
Garmany is where Garfield was born

>>71178294
>yOuTUBe iSnT FOR strEAmiNG
i swear to god you people deflect in the absolute most retarded ways. grow the fuck up

>>71176444
GARmany... holy shit

>>71178752
I wonder who Company A could be? Vshojo? Phase? VSPO?

>>71177851
Bargain bin

>>71176857
Same as the word indefinite. Soon or never.
.ie "AR is postponed"
Is a misspelling really sus from a JP organization?
We'll have less ESL with Cover USA.

>>71178752
>Be niji clipper
>Get DCMA'd
kek

>>71178651
Perms autism is a company thing so there's no really getting around it since a company can copyright strike any stream that's monetized. Which is why no Sony games since they're notorious about their perms.
Hopefully with stateside based management dealing with perms from western devs is easier since there's less barriers to get through (like time difference, language barrier etc.)

>>71176820
Anime makes over 40 billion $ a year. Saying that vtubers can succeed it is kinda far fetched. There are series worth more than entire vtuber industry.

>>71178984
Succeeding x means following in its steps, not necessarily being bigger.
That said, who knows what will future bring. Streamers are only gaining importance with time.

>>71177847
Shut up Zhang, YouTube is literally banned on the mainland lol
>they’re returning to China
The source is pulled out your ass?

>>71176464
They're profitable. This is a business, not a competition.

>>71177851
This is about money, so Indonesians can't do much.

>>71178911
Mio is playing a Sony game literally right now

>>71178832
>Is a misspelling really sus from a JP organization?
it kind of stands out since its on a page with barely any text and its close to the lower middle of the page. could still be a mistake( think cover also had a mistake in the last years document that they had to recall and fix so it tracks) but it just so glaring that it feels weird

>>71176412
>Cover in charge of fact checking

>>71176399
>>71176412
>>71176444

HOLOLIVE only grows STRONGER!

>>71179449
Who?

>>71179449
Nobody considers a channel to count as a vtuber if they didn't start as one, otherwise pewdiepie would be the biggest vtuber

>>71176412
>Niji where
Too busy getting into trouble and losing subs in the process

>>71179509
Why does Iron Lung count then?

>>71176543
>large female (fujo) market
>large

>>71176444
JP will look like a speck of dust next to EN once EN has an equal number of girls.

>>71178811
Vshojo quite obviously.

>>71177398
Nothing personnel, Riku.

>>71176399
The fact that Gura alone is single-handedly more popular than both of the Holostars branches by such a long margin is baffling. Even the other Myth girls all have more subscribers than all of the dudes in the EN branch combined.

>>71177582
yes, unironically

>>71179509
A vtuber is a vtuber. You can't say it's only half.

>>71179626
Because she's been one for long enough.
No one can even bring up anything that isn't Vtuber related content.

>>71180029
Cookie has been a chuuba for 2 years now too you know.

>>71176399
>holostarsEN loses to fucking ReGROSS

>>71176399
Even more proof that ReGROSS isn't holoJP

>>71177153
>results
Mori gets like 3k nowadays, that's results?
I don't even like Kiara but that's a fight between retards, everyone knows that Myth has bloated/dead subs

>>71178013
>Damn filian ate
Show tits.

>>71178294
On Youtube I can watch a VOD from 3 years ago and I don't need to see frog bastards in the chat, just that makes the platform better.

>>71179626
Before 2019 doesn't count for her too. Some fags like to talk that she's older than Sora but try to watch the content from that time then, it doesn't exist because she guilty deleted everything.

>>71176444
Kinda funny how they give Japan a different color from UK when their numbers are basically the same.

>>71176444
Where's all the faggots claiming Euros don't watch hololive huh?

>>71180503
Yeah but she didn't cull any of her pre subs out of guilt though did she?

>>71180207
>>71180240
why do you hate regloss? what did they do?

>>71179835
That twitch whorehouse is company F.

>>71177847
>they're returning to China.
Any time now bros, 2 weeks.

>>71179356
Playstation autism is particularly about SIE, JP has always played playstation games whereas EN only really played Bloodborne with Mori I think.

>>71176412
The Yen is in the toilet right now, so this chart means nothing in terms of real demand. No, Europe is not competitive with Japan for vtuber viewership.

>>71181286
You didn’t answer anon’s question, though.

>>71176412
Filian's Youtube channel is essentially just a clip channel, the few times she streamed there she got like 1-2k viewers.

>>71176543
>there is a large female market to engage with
...where?

>>71177764
They are actually modernizing really well, hololive could probably enter it and do well while also shaping the entire local scene

>>71181286 (me)
>>71181435
Oh I tagged the wrong post. I was looking at the USA guy.

>>71177458
It's a per capita. You can't gain relevant information by adding them. You should read everything in a page before posting.

>>71176820
Extremely bitious, but not impossible if not sabotaged by the amount of scum that comes from other companies. Then again mangakas had it rought and mangas still estabilished themselves.

>>71178308
Brave group isn't a vtuber company it's an entertainment conglomerate. It's like Sony? Those offices could be related to vtuber stuff but they could very easily be completely unrelated.

>>71179626
She's always been some kind of pngtuber or whatever.

>>71177959
Beati monoculi in terra caecorum

>>71179679
Stop posting photos of literally me.

>>71176820
Very ambitious. Their current biggest obstacles are people like Niji, Vshojo and the indies making vtubers look bad though, and I don't think Yagoo has the chops on him to go for any take downs.

>>71181712
dumbass

>>71176412
>Filian
I can see her doing a flip for this.

>>71181889
he can't even take out the holostar trash out of his house, you really think he can take out other companies?

>>71181994
she's not into ladyboys

>>71177633
That chart is spending on entertainment content in general, not spending on vtubers. So, bongs spend as much per capita as Japan on entertainment, and other big euro countries are at about 2/3 as much, but none of that is on vtubers because there generally aren't any. This would be why yagoo keeps saying it's a good target for future expansion

>>71181923
That chart says that the average american customer spends 170k yen a year, the average japanese customer spends 100k yen a year, the average brit about 90k a year and the average german about 80k. That doesn't mean the german + brit market is bigger than the japanese market because we don't know how many german and british customer they have.

>>71182326
Again, that is per capita spending on all forms of entertainment. The average US cable TV bill would make up 80% of that number on its own.

>>71180907
Numberfags have hated Regloss out of the gate
Ririka is fucking sexy, retarded, and speaks English. She's one of my ideal JPs.

>>71182468
I see. It doesn't change what I'm trying to say to the other guy though.

>>71182542
I think it suggests that per capita spending on "all entertainment" isn't a great way to judge the potential market for vtubers, since a huge amount of US entertainment spending is boomers paying $100 a month for cable. The numbers look very different when you narrow it down to "weeb shit" (anime, manga, and associated merchandise) or video games.

>>71182169
Exactly why I said I don't think he's got it in him. His ambitions will continue to be poisoned by those three and he'll do nothing about it.

>>71182711
All the chart is really trying to say is that Americans are a bunch of consoomers
Which is something everyone already knows but they want to put hard data to it.

>>71181889
It'll be fina as long as Yagoo and A-chan ignores them and do their own thing like they have been doing so far.

>>71183131
It'll be *fine

>>71180303
NTA, but while Mori's viewership isn't that far ahead of Kiara's, her music sales absolutely is.
When it comes to EN music sales (just counting members who released in EP / album within the last 2 years or so), it goes Mori >>>>> IRyS > Kiara > Bae (which is interesting because IRyS's music viewership is the weakest among the 4)
Mori might not be a super popular streamer (anymore?), but she still is a successful artist and I don't think either she or Cover is unsatisfied with that.

>>71182169
Nah, he'll need Stars to wipe Niji out for good. Just give an extra push to Stars so they can take the male market while Vox is falling. Otherwise, Niji will play their male vtubers game again once the drama pass.

>>71176444
>latinoland not even disclosed
sasuga, they dropped the region after all

>>71181740
Brave Group was literally created to counter Cover and Anycolor

>>71183355
Fertile ground for Idol Corp to expand!

>>71176444
Overseas markets carrying Hololive as always.

>>71183458
hoping the best for IdolCorp, can't even shitpost about it, genuinely hoping the best for them once they enter that Shadow Realm

>>71176820
Big issue is stamina of streamers. I watched few documentaries about it few months ago but tl;dr is that streaming is rather miserable and stressful job. Tho in contrary to western breadtubers that were focus there, Hololive Vtubers have entire company to deal with paperwork for them.

>>71177458
>I-If you add up three different regions then it barely catches up to what they can make in just 1 region.
Back to school with you.

>>71181813
>always
Nope.

>>71176444
why use per capita? Wouldn't make more sense to use gross? It probably inflates Germany, the UK and France compared to the other countries.

>>71183550
It's a hellhole of constantly collapsing corpos, backstabbing between talents, menhera meltdowns and titanic sex scandal omegayabs.

It's goona be very seeing to see what hsppens when a "professional" EN sphere corp tries to colonize the area.

>>71177458
UK is like another state of America. Also they voted to not be part of europe. It's unfair to add it to garmany and france side when it should be on American side

>>71180207
Any homo branch would lose to any Holo branch, even if it was a homo-friendly Holo branch.

>>71183935
To be fair Wactor was shit all around. Idk Idol.

>>71183696
>different regions
It's literally just about streaming at their time zone

>>71184027
anon, what the other anon was talking about was the indie scene since like, forever

>>71184027
if it's a vtuber corpo and it's not Cover, assume it's shit. For some reason they can not be professional about anything.

>>71183966
This doesn't really make it any less retarded that Hololive English has nobody who can be regularly watched in the country the language came from (including Kiara, most of her streams start at 3-4PM bong time)

>>71184099
Indie vtubing is full of menheras and dramafags, don't know the Hispanic market. But most indie chuuba are twitterfags who have meltdowns over shit like starbucks.

>>71184233
This girl used to be the No.1 hispanic vtuber

The thing with the latinosphere is that most people, both men and women, are fucking proud of outmenhering each other. Hell, usually the advice a family gives to their children there if they want to have a lover is to NTR someone's else, that's the fucking type of culture they love kek

>>71183878
Again, the point of the chart is basically to say
>Yo these Americans sure do be spending a lot of money

Doing it with gross isn't as relevant because obviously America's gross spending would be more simply by having more people. They're trying to convince the investors that investing in NA operations would be a good idea using the idea that Americans are consoomers that love to spend money

>>71176700
I mean just look at Iofi, she started as easily the hardest worker in ID, and JP only probably less than a few. But her numbers are barely Starts levels. Only got comparatively better because Henya started doing so little she Iofi finally could pass someone.

>>71178335
>VOD
>streaming

>>71181621
>modernizing really well
To a certain extent yes
>hololive could probably enter it and do well
I doubt it. Even their streaming space is very nascent right now, let alone vtubers.

>>71183966
The issue (as someone from the UK) is more about the timezone. It's not a major issue as the days I work each week change fairly regularly so I can usually watch a decent mix of streams from different girls but it'd be nice to be able to watch more each week.

>>71184483
so you're saying all those telenovelas were documentaries?

>>71185103
That's the trick anon, you grow their streaming scene entirely based on vtubers to the point it's a synonym

>>71184772
Imagine losing everything you made every 3 months
I wonder why twitch fags are maniac zoomers with ADHD.

>>71185274
Idiocracy is a documental, Telenovelas were our reality shows

>>71180570
I mean especially Holo JP is very easy to watch and follow in terms of scheduling so this isn't surprising.
EN is a different story of course - only watchable if you are a vampire or working at night shift.

>>71176444
>highest consumption
you're god damn right. we have a reputation to maintain

>>71177925
Holy mother of schizo, female fans killed this dude's grandma.

>>71180570
This chart has nothing to do with euros watching hololive.

>>71178752
>calling Kurosanji "Company A" after the contract leaks

>>71177851
negligible

>>71176444
Do you think some day they will ship their merch to the EU and UK?

>>71176399
>*2 Fuwamoco Abyssgard and Mococo Abyssgard were counted as 1 person
bau bau...

>>71186064
Thing is we can't even be sure Anycolor is definitely Company A. They're likely to be but with how they've fallen who the fuck knows. It could be Mythic/Fillian shorts spam.

>>71176820
>>71176399
Let's see..
What works:
>Music creators: Yes cover or original song creators are a thing. Mori makes a bunch of original music so they already have this. However, the Azki problem. Nobody will watch a song maker if they only ever make songs. They need to stream video games and shit too.
>Animators: This is basically like watching an art streamer but way more boring since animation is mind-numbing to watch. Again, they'd need to stream video games too but it's workable if they don't focus on the animation too much.
>Video creators: I assume they mean shit like what markiplier or trash taste or chris abroad or whatever do. This could work. There's a motorcycle riding vtuber I can't remember the name of who's relatively popular. It only really works with a 3d model though unless you wanna show off powerpoints.
>Engineers: Works if it's an educational channel that teaches people, but they would definitely need a 3d model to interact with anything they actually make.

What doesn't:
>Fans: Irrelevant. If fans become vtubers they have less time to watch streamers
>Partner companies: A lot of companies have already started making vtubers but they would make their own in-house not hire Cover to run one for them (I assume they hope to be like consultants and sell out Vtubers to be company spokespersons or mascots)
>Performers: Dancers and stuff? Sure they already hire them for the lives so I don't see why not. If it's not connected to their current livers though I doubt anyone will bother watching.
>Graphic designers: Not only would this not work but it's absolutely retarded to think it would.

>>71186183
They do ship merch to the UK.

>>71186358
Cover previously mistakenly released the internal version of one of these which directly named Anycolor, then replaced it with one that called them Company A instead

>>71185533
>Imagine losing everything you made every 3 months
Why is this even a thing? After ALL these years? There are twitch chuubas who make a twitch VODs archive on YouTube right?

>>71176543
>Because there is a large female market to engage with
True. So, when will they start?

>>71178752
Interestingly this shows that the number of subs and views per clipping channel is relatively consistent between Hololive and Company A.
The ratio of number of channels to subs is 11.4 for Hololive and 13.6 for Company A.
The ratio of number of channels to views is 1.6 for Hololive and 1.5 for Company A.
That means that on average company A get 2.2 MM (million?) more subs than Hololive clipping channels and Hololive get 0.1 Bn (billion?) more views per clipping channel.

>>71186563
Geekjack is a poor substitute. They get a small fraction of the stock (so you get cases like Kiara's limited merch selling out in seconds for her main audience but being in stock for hours for JP/US customers) and take much longer to dispatch stuff (sometimes over a month later).

>>71186573
Does that take into account recent events where a whole bunch of clippers just stopped clipping?

>>71185997
It does however have to do with Euros spending on Hololive

>>71176444
>UK 9.9
This is unbelievable. I talk to anyone around me about VTubers and they look at me like I'm a retard, which I am, but still.

>>71186808
It doesn't have anything to do with that either.

>>71186884
Depends who you talk to.
Normies still use facebook, they are 3-5 years behind any kind of upcoming trend.
Then they catch onto it and ruin it.

Is this really what you guys want? Soon, the talents will rub shoulders with normie celebrity culture. Vtubers as a whole will become normie, and be adopted by normie fucks. I don’t even mean twitch or youtube normies, your drunk aunt watching E! or whatever will be buying Mori or Gura merch. It happened with Anime, alternative pop culture is feeling less alternative and more shoved down your throat every day. It feels fake and soulless. Is this what you want?

>>71186884
It is a chart of spending on all forms of entertainment anon, it has nothing to do with vtubers specifically. You could hit the US average on that chart just by having a cable TV package and a Netflix subscription

>>71186920
Enlighten me what JPY 10 thousand means in relation to consumption per capita

>>71186884
It's per capita, so there might not be many of us but those of us who do watch and buy merch do it in a big way which skews the numbers.

>>71187023
Not spending on hololive.

>>71187050
I can concede that but I think theres money in the entertainment industry for it

>>71186975
I really only talked to weebs about it.

>>71186995
Oh I see, I really am regarded.

>>71187049
500 pounderinos every year on vtuber seems insane, mate. Has to be spending across all entertainment as other anons have said.

>>71176464
>>71176543
The problem with Holostars is the company they're attached to. They're a good group of guys and they work hard but Hololive has already established themselves as pandering to a male audience. Over time they've set that in stone by not talking to males. So naturally since the fans are thinking "this company panders to me," they'll think everything Cover puts out is for this established audience. This will include male vtubers. So even when Holostars tries to cater to women, women will not want to be in a fandom that's mostly males. It's like a man looking for suits in a lolita dress store that labels itself as such but they have 2 or 3 suits in the back. And the men that will watch Holostars will also think "this is for me" which is why you see so many "brotuber" beggars and fans in their chats. This was also set in stone with the first Tempus boys. The only women you see as male vtuber fans is mostly lesbians because they basically think they're men anyway.

>>71187378
If it was actually spending per viewer the UK number would be a lot higher, I'm one of like 8 people in the UK who watches vtubers and I spent over half a million yen on hololive merch and events in the last year

>>71176444
>>71177503
Checked!
Yagoo is gay for archer.

>>71185264
>The issue (as someone from the UK) is more about the timezone
If you work from home, you have no issue watching primetime holo JP streams.
If you don't, then you can only catch the night owls.

>>71186389
Lmao you retard. The performers are the vtubers and everyone else are the other jpbs they need to make the ecosystem work.

>>71186635
Because twitch doesn't make money and doesn't want to pay for the server space

>>71176543
most females just watch hololive

>>71178308
> Europe
Fcking big ben

>>71189764
It's still part of the continent of Europe, no matter how much both Britain and the rest of Europe want to distance themselves from each other.

>>71176700
Pretty sure that, for her part, she is just happy that her friend found success.

>>71186389
Anon please gain an IQ of above 69 before posting on this board again

>>71186716
not really, its a curated list of the top 200 channels not exhaustive.

>>71176543
>large female market

>>71176444
>India higher than Indonesia
What are the chances Cover had a noraneko moment? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7Co2VoZLJE

>>71176412
nijitiny lmao

>>71186563
My Connect The World merch arrived a few weeks ago.

So you're technically not wrong but holy fuck could it be far better.

>>71179884
if that jp media survey graph posted 2 weeks ago is accurate, hololive is like 90:10 male to female audience (avg age 29) while niji is around 40:60 (avg age 25). no male is ever going to compete in holo as it stands.

>>71177925
You are a fucking idiot and have no clue what you are talking about. 60% of Niji's audience is female. Just because women barely watch Hololive, it doesn't mean that they don't watch vtubers. Like 8 out of top 10 earners in Niji are male Vtuber, and the top most watched ones are males too. Niji is dominated by male vtubers with a dominant female audience. And Cover have been trying to get a share of that pie for years.

>>71178037
And that is a fucking retarded statement, taking in account all the yuri baiting in Hololive, and how the anons would rather have the girls be lesbians, that accept they may interact with men in any shape of form, either on streams on in their personal life. Anon's shitting on fujos, is the highest form of lack of self-awarness on this platform.

>>71178114
Yeah, the male vtubing industry is in dead water. Look at those pathetic ccv's the Niji homo's get, am I right?

>>71178911
There will be no stateside based management. The US branch is just a logistics hub, for merch distribution and event planning in US.

>>71178984
And there was a time when anime didn't make 1 billion, so what's you point?

>>71176444
>annual content consumption per capita tends to be highest in the US
>per capita
I don't think we're fully appreciating how insane that is when you consider how big chuubas are culturally in Japan relative to the US. Chuubas are likely pretty saturated in Japan's population of 125M, but I'd bet they're significantly less saturated in the US's population of 331M (allegedly). Meaning that even in a larger population that is less likely to be aware of chuubas generally, the US still "consumes" at nearly twice the rate of any other market per capita.

>>71201436
All gura plushies.

>>71179801
Is that why they've been slow walking en girls? Imagine if they haven't wasted a year on homos.

>>71180303
Oh, let me guess you are one of those kids who saw a random Cali stream with 3000 viewers, and decided that's her new normal. Cali streams today for 4000 viewers, and tomorrow for 12 000 viewers. It all depends on the content she does. If she plays something new or popular, she get's high views. If she streams the 4th episode of Persona 3, of course she will have lower ccv, because watching such series is a commitment.
Anyway, when will you peoples start to understand that those girls are more than streamers? Cali is more of Vsinger than anything - streaming is just additional content from her. Results are results. And Cali produced more music than the entire HoloEN combined.

>>71183339
Vox is small compared with the guys in NijiJP. He had a few good first months.

>>71186884
Is a charts about content watching and spending, not about vtubers.

>>71201884
Subaru has more viewers on her Persona #30 than Mori did on the #1 episode, Gura can have more viewers streaming a random trash game from the 90s than Mori playing a popular game, all that you puked is pure cope.

>>71187474
And that's what I call, talking out of your ass.

>>71196904
Yeah, there is a large female market... I don't know if you peoples act or really are retarded, but 60% of Niji's audience is women, and their top earners and most watched vtubers are males. So make the damn connection you morons.

>>71176399
Mococo...

>>71176820
See? I knew we were gonna get an anime eventually!

>>71202687
Anime will be replaced with vtubers doing roleplays, like the radio dramas of old.

>>71202803
That's just what normal streams are, anon

>>71179884
>there's a larger market for female prostitutes than male prostitutes
No shit, anon

>>71176781
Read nigga, READ

>>71176820
>HOLOEARTH (You are here)
>HOLOSOLARSYSTEM
>HOLOEMPIRE
>HOLOGALAXY
>HOLOCLUSTER
>HOLOUNIVERSE (Aproaching Rapidly)

>>71178013
>ate
anon think that shorts subs and views are genuine HAHAHAHA

HoloEarth will bankrupt the company.

>>71176412
I predict Marine, Filian, and Pekora to be gaining more subs than Gura now... So if Gura stopped gaining subs right now, when will those 3 catch up to her?

>>71204345
if Gura suddenly stops getting subs, Marine can catch up to her in 2 years, Filian in 3 years, Pekora in 4 years. Kobo is much faster than Pekora, Kobo the same as Filian, in 3years

>>71199644
For better or worse (depending on who you ask), the female audience is already captured by Nijisanji. Cover can recruit new males but most women interested in vtubers already have their homo kamioshi and the Nijimales around him. Still not an excuse for Tanigo to not even try to expand the audience. Even if the stars don't earn him a fortune, so long as they don't cost him to have around...

>>71204158
Even if it ends up mostly sucking using it for "live" concerts with talents will make the investment worth it alone.
Between working on a twitter substitute and that hololive is in a good spot to weather internet trends for a long time.

>>71204561
wrong. Marine in 4years, Filian in 4.5years, Pekora in 8years, Kobo in 6years
>>71204345

>>71204020
We're going to have Hololive anime
Hololive movies
Hololive comics
Hololive trading card game
Hololive MMO shooter
Hololive Nobunaga's Ambition spinoff
Hololive dating sims
Hololive world domination culturally
Hololive life insurance
Hololive construction
Hololive health & fitness clubs
Hololive love hotels
Hololive PMC
Hololive colonialism
Hololive belt & road initiative
Hololive sex bots
Hololive buyout of 4chan
Hololive shutting down 4chan so you'll watch streams
Hololive overthrowing the US government & declaring Yagoo emperor for life
Hololive world domination militarily

>>71176781
The funny thing is that the thing they would be most concerned with would be loli. By chance that is fully legal on the entire US west coast, unlike most other places people say are better.

>>71205133
>Hololive shuts down 4chan so people will finally watch streams
Sounds like a good call.

>>71177055
Is that $200 before or after YouTube 's cut? Because $200 a day is respectable for any single job. He also gets a salary because Hololive has non streaming responsibilities.

>>71183878
I have spent so much on Holo merch and figures. I'm glad I won't have to spend all that much on shipping after this.

>>71184483
why are you schizpphrenically posting this every single time Hispanic chuuba are mentioned?
Nimu is not representative of the spic chuuba sphere.

>>71185274
No it's not, that anon keeps schizoposting about nimu every single thread as if all Spanish speaking chuuba were Nimu. He has some deep issues with getting cucked or something because that's his other main obsession.

Devis and holostars JP are such embarasements

>>71176820
Such a copium vision. If they were talking about employing hundreds of chubas, including failures (like their examples operate), then sure, but currently, it's more about exporting the content of your top idols.

>>71176464
>why even give airtime to alternative options? We should just loop the most popular thing for eternity!
CN exec-kun...

>>71183601
>watched few documentaries
Links?

>>71183339
>Just give an extra push to Stars so they can take the male market
lmao, never happening. Stars aren't interested in doing the bare minimum to appeal to a female audience unless it's company mandated voice packs, and male fans don't donate or buy merch of male vtubers so the "brotuber" market is out of the question.
>inb4 retarded "muh dick sucking ASMR" strawman
This is like saying the only way to appeal to a male audience is being a coomer twitch thot.

>>71185274
No, Nimu is peak LATAM cityfolk who believe they are hot shit but are scummy bitches.
These are the type of people who get shit through High school for being unbearable and then try to become the top dog of whatever other place they end up to compensate.
>A similar case?
Elira Pendora

>>71207464
Elira's a hafu Canadian though.

>>71207868
Yeah, but the part about scummy high school failure still works for her.

>>71202546
Their male vtubers are watched by men. Kuzuha had a 70% male viewership at one point. Mashiro had 99.1% men while playing Yu-gi-oh.

>>71178840
Clippers only get hit with a DMCA when they take things out of context to create drama or post clips of moments Nijisanji wants swept under the rug, which is also what Hololive does. Try publishing clips of Ina calling her audience losers for spending their weekend watching anime girls playing games, or Altare's "the cause" rant, or Fauna singing her FAG song and you'll see.

>>71176444
Money & Numbers: US
Money, No Numbers: Japan, UK, GARmany, Worst Korea, France
Numbers, No Money: China, India

If your country's not on this list, literally who are you?

>>71177160
A Hololive branch focused primarily on music. They're not all Japanese and Asians are racist so they didn't want them to be in HoloJP.

>>71176464
Because he doesn't want to have to deal with possibly getting stabbed for speaking to one of his talents so he keeps the homo's around so that the worst of the worst will stay away from the company

>>71177959
Other than that? No need to be holo for a female vtuber go big, but Male outside of niji fujo tribalist? Oh yeah fujo are niji tribalist, you think they will watch other Male? Why stars not big then? Stars is as good if not better than niji, the reason is simple, they are not fujo Bait and they are not ni ji san ji

>>71178811
I honestly have not seen very many Nijisanji clippers lately. Several of them moved out with Selen. Not too sure because I don't sub to clippers and just let them show up naturally on my feed. Vshoujo definitely has a a few clippers, mostly of Mouse, Henya and Melody.

After spending a few minutes scrolling. I saw almost all Hololive, Indies(and mythic), Vshoujo and phase connect in that order. I saw 0 Niji clippers except from dramatubers. Only thing that appeared was Rosemi's stream but that's not a clip. I think they got crushed by the algo.

>>71180413
>frog bastards
Lmao

Why is Indonesia such a shit hole?

>>71206738
Shut up numberino

>>71201436
I don't think that chart is just for vtubers or Cover. It's the "State of the content industry" whatever that means.

Someone will make a thread using this documents as proof that they're totally going to fire the lower view talents this time right?

>>71210810
It's the most developed SEA country which doesn't have a large Chinese minority (or majority).
Good SEA Countries
1. Singapore (74% Chinese, literally a Chinese free market satellite)
2. Brunei (10% Chinese, small country advantage)
3. Malaysia (23% Chinese)
4. Thailand (12% Chinese)
Okay SEA Countries
5. Indonesia
6. Nam
Maybe Don't Go Here
7. Pinos
8. Laos
9. East Timor (does this country count, I don't even know)
10. Nipple
11. Cambodia
12. Myanmar (formerly Burma)

>>71206738
I mean, they're plays in areas that Hololive has screwed up in some moumental way or haven't had any good luck getting into, and as much as people love the company, they aren't infallible. For Dev_IS, a cursory look at Hololve's history with Vsingers is enough to tell you all about how the company has treated badly and fumbled the ball in terms of musically focused talents. For males, you only have to see how it was a clear reaction to Nijisanji's Luxiem success and getting pressured to do it from investors. As long as the investments are stable and metrics are positive and making money, it doesn't matter to Hololive to keep funding them. It's the same reason why Microsoft keeps Bing around despite Google being a thing.

>>71212757
Only 4%-5% btw

>>71178013
Show pussy and ass

>>71213802
Devis problem is that people lost trust in cover's mystery box marketing after the surprise homo spam and they to this day still adamantly refuse to clarify just what exactly makes Devis different from hololive that they needed to create a brand new branch for them

>>71210810
Because they are dawgs.

>>71214105
DEV_IS wouldn't be a problem if they stuck to the PR line and actually run the branch like it is a Vsinger division like other companies do. But holy hell, I am sorry but Raden and even Ririka are leagues below musically compared to others in the company, they're not even in the same ballpark as Azki or Suisei, let along the Vsingers outside the company like anyone from Brave Group. so why did they even market them as such? And the fact that they clearly aren't doing music now and it looks like a free for all Vtubing without idol activities except for music with guardrails means people who were the intended audience aren't going to watch them and so the only audience they got are all either leeched from the company in general's fanbase and what little they could grow organically.

>>71207336
Really? Then who the hell donated to Tempus until now, because last time I checked they did have a predominantly male audience. Is kind of funny that in an industry such as streaming, where the dominant players are guys who provide the brotuber experience like xQC or whatever, Asmongold and Penguin, you all pretend that there is no market for brothuber. What a joke. You where just as convinced that there is no market for EN Vtubers either years ago when Myth was announced. And look where we are now.

>>71216130
anime dudes cant be brotubers. why watch a hot anime dude like some faggot when i can go to kick and watch kai cenat watch tiktoks?

>>71208368
That's definetly not what Dev_IS is, who lied to you? If they where, they would have found good singers, but most are mid, and Raden is definitely not a singer.
Dev_is is just a different branch. An experiment run by Cover, trough which it tires to attract a new audience, a non-Hololive audience, because up until now there is a lot of cross-polination, and most of the new subscribers to new waves, are just old subscribers to old waves. Cover realised that they hit the ceiling with the current format, and they try to enter different niches and attract an audience that was put over by Hololive's concept, or where watching Niji. So you have group of girls, with a normal concept, nothing fantasy, who aren't exactly idols, and have more freedom with the content they create and different interests. Take Raden for example - Mumei said that she proposed some educational streams on history in the past, and got rejected. Meanwhile, Raden is holding lectures on arts, arts history, and museums. She started to attract an audience from outside the otaku sphere, that shares such interests, and shes been even getting attention from museums and such for collabs. So that's what Dev_is is - a branch that target outside of Hololive's core audience. And they are likely not going to be the last.

>>71176464
As long as stars doesn't effect the growth of Hololive why would they get rid of it?

>>71176857
>>71179373
>typo on page 25 "Garmany"
>it just so glaring that it feels weird
ogey

Speaking of Garmany, Cover has not forgotten about you EU folks.
And Asia. Hoping KR and TW.

>>71216965
From Cover's own PR announcement of the group. So yeah Cover lied to me.
https://prtimes.jp/main/html/rd/p/000000978.000030268.html
I don't disagree with you what they are now and how Cover is now pitching them as, but holy hell, why did they even make the announcement then about them focusing on musical activities. And no, until I see it, at this point, the company has burned way too many Vsingers for talents who wanted to only do singing for me to believe they actually have the chops to pull off a music only group/branch or even focused projects that aren't concerts. Blue Journey was disappointing.

>>71176412
Niji is a small corpo

>>71217838
Can't wait for Fauna, Kiara, Kronii and Ina to have a french stream with the french chuuba of HoloEU.

>>71209518
You guys are really obssesed with shitting on fujioshi, while you yourselves are absolute Himedashi. Is fucking ridiculous. And yeah, outside of Niji, there are big male vtubers outside of Niji. You have AKA Virtual which has a bunch of them, one of them has nearly 2 mil subs, the other is close to 800k. There is NeoPorte, with Shibuya Hal and others. There is Kuro in Vshoujo. And there is a bunch of indies. There is Shoto who has like 1.5 mil subs and is growing. And a bunch of others who are over or close to 1 million.
Also, no, Niji male livers don't necessary appeal to fujioshi, or do fujo bait. Kuzuha is Nijisanji's Pekora, and he has something like 70% male audience - he is popular for his gaming skills.

>>71213802
1. Regloss are not V-Singers. They don't make more music than the average Hololive member. They are meant to appeal to an audience outside of the Hololive fanbase. Nothing more.
2. Stop acting like Holostars are WNBA, and work on subsidies from Hololive. They are quite profitable on themselves, and and a bunch of those guys, are exceeding EN and JP girls in SC revenue. Is safe to say that with memberships, ads and merch, they make more than most agencies out there.

>>71177260
It's the CEO's job to sound confident when speaking with shareholders and nothing more.

>>71214105
That's not Devis problem. Is just you peoples who are moron. I don't understand what is so difficult to comprehend what Devis is... well, I guess it is when you don't watch them and just throw metrics at them and opinions out of your asses. Devis was created to attract an audience from outside of Hololive fanbase. Is that simple. They have a normal girl concept, design to target the kind of audience that watches Nijisanji and normal streamers - peoples who are put off by the idol concept, peoples who are not necessary otaku, peoples who hold prejudice against hololive, and casual. Is an expansion in niches different from Hololive's core audience.

>>71216624
Dude, just because you are mentally ill and like anime, it doesn't meant that every anime fan is mentally ill. Normal peoples don't fell gay for watching men... is gay man who are in the closet who do that.

>>71217264
This.
Stars mostly attracts a market outside of Hololive girls. Silly to abandon that. Luckily, Yagoo does not give up so easily... unlike that other CEO.

>>71217886
>https://prtimes.jp/main/html/rd/p/000000978.000030268.html

The article is saying that the content postested on Dev_is channel will be music focused - nowhere is it saying that they are Vsingers.
Vsingers are complicated to do, because you can't do them without a music label, and a music label is not cheap to build and run. Sure, when they did INNK Music, they didn't had the resources today, so I anticipate that at some point in the future, they will try to start a new music label. But for now, is not the case. Hololive needs to grow a bit more, to get to a point where their music label could compete with the titans of the industry in any way, shape or form.

>>71218644
1.) At best, they misrrepresented the group and I am not opposed to that from a business perspective as I said before, the group is profitable and thriving but it is IMO bait and switch from Cover themselves.
2.) Again, same as above. They are self sufficient, but HoloStars isn't on top. There's nothing wrong with having a 2nd place offering though, but nothing guarantees whatever Cover touches must turn into gold.

>>71176412
Where is cookie?
Holo cope?

>>71176399
DISBAND HOLOSTARS NOW YAGOO

>>71176543
>Because there is a large female market to engage with
It's been years, YEARS and they are still shitters, if there is a market for that it doesn't look like it's big enough

>>71176820
I'm ok with this

>>71177603
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiYXNaQ4Fbg

>>71217838
>2025 and after
It's already too late. It was too late a year ago. The vtuber boom came and went and the lasting impression they left on those potential viewers is they don't give a fuck about them.

>>71176820
Fifth market that could stand alongside animation, comics, and games (that's ACG, by the way) in prominence in the near future? Sure, I'd buy it, there's a lot that can be done that has not been done.
"Succeeding" anything? Pure investorbabble

>>71223437
>*: fourth, I wanted to put "visual art" (this is Pixiv and Skeb) or (doujin) music as another category, but the former is most closely aligned with comics and the latter isn't as huge in the otakusphere