/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>71153746
the last several times someone was gone for this long with no word, they were terminated. Make of that what you will.

>>71153746
>included in voice pack adverts even during her absence
Her fans have nothing to worry about

Time to put down old yeller

>>71153996
They were never friends

she just spent a holiday in japan and has been tweeting, retard, there's nothing to even suspend her for

> It's frustrating that she's been squeaky clean for years
DYRBI?

Weren't there some Selen-related items ads during the #WhereIsSelen month?

Anyway, #WhereIsElira

>>71154104
Not gonna work. There's only 3 of us fameliras left.

>>71153845

>>71153746
Elira? who's that?

>>71155259
Eh, I don't know, the discord server seems to be alive and supportive.

>>71153875
Haha, yeah...

>>71153746
>Boy I sure wish people had the same concern for Elira disappearing for weeks that they had for Selen
People are not /yet/ concerned, because its still in her best interest to keep a low profile. The dramafags are slowly moving on. The anger of former famelira is subsiding in favor of grief and disappointment, something which is much easier to recover from (unless you're Finana apparently.... how hard can it be to leave a fucking groomcord). Anyway I would expect her to show up by the end of the month, if she doesn't worry then

>>71153746
I liked her, but I'm allergic to being manipulated with fake tears and emotional arguments to the degree that I completely stopped believing in the evil management over good organs after that stream.

>>71153875
>

>>71156329
Easy, there. Both can be true. You can have negligent, malicious management and also a narcissistic queen bullying people to keep the peace.

>>71156329
>fake tears
>while in her mind:"omg I'm gonna die, what do i do, what do i do? They told me to do this or else I'll lose everything including my visa and years of my salaries. How would I live then? Nobody will believe me? I have no where to go? My relationship with Selen isn't good enough she will not help me! But if I do this I'll never be able to come back again, even worse I betrayed people, catering lies..."

>>71156541
Unironically I hope this is the case, but it seems unlikely. Either way there's absolutely no way for her to stay in japan or working under them while simultaneously clearing her name. If she leaves japan and goes back to canada, they can't do anything to her. If she stays in japan with them, then any chance at talking bad about the company can count as defamation and she can be sued into the ground. (In theory at least. Not that ANYCOLOR has ever been successful with that.)

>>71156541
Just pull off an Ike and be retarded for 5 minutes. Actually easier to do under stress.

>>71155511
heckin based dramatuber making a living off of shitting on people more successful than him and embellishing unsubstantiated facts

>>71153875
Anon I…

>>71156541
Elira? you should be talking to your lawyers, not shitposting on /vt/. The truth will come out sooner or later, and the guilty will be judged in the court of public opinion (possibly the criminal one too)

>>71155263
Roa isn't gone, she's still making new voice packs. She also lost a open/shut case because Niji didn't pony up with any lawyers and she had to get one on her own.

>>71156869
Oh, I see anon must've meant to reply to >>71153875 which makes way more sense.

>>71153746
the wicked shall not go unpunished

>>71153746
>I sure wish people had the same concern for Elira disappearing for weeks that they had for Selen
The difference is that Selen is actually a nice person.
>complete with the accusations of the tweets being fake tweets made by management
People do say that Elira's tweets are Niji skinwalking her account.
>But it's different when the hivemind has decided you're the villain
Indeed. People look forward to the hero's return after his adventure and dread the return of the monster that was supposed to be slain.
>They also completely forget that an evil company would not be above forcing someone to make statements under duress.
No, nobody forgot this. People even claim that Anycolor made her say this or that.
>No, they've decided that she genuinely believes these things.
Yes, because...
>How convenient that this is the one thing that they've decided she has complete control and independence over.
She is the one that profited the most of Anycolor mistreating Selen and Pomu, Anycolor admitted that there was bullying bts and their direct communication implies that Elira is directly involved in this. Add this to the fact that large parts of Niji EN's cast were previously connected to Elira through some "talent run corpo" and add the fact that she was the first of those to debut, giving her an elevated position just because of this. It's the logical conclusion that she (thinks she) runs this - with all the negative consequences.
>It's frustrating that she's been squeaky clean for years
People suspected that she runs her own clique bts as soon as Ethyria was announced. Many just picked on Enna after a while since she showed what a despicable person she is more openly. You seem to conveniently forget that.
I'd argue that she got the most heat of any Lazusydia liver until Finana kys'ed her channel.
>people have managed to ruin her reputation just because they don't like her
Her reputation got ruined because all the presented information points to her being a horrible person which is the reason why people dislike her in the 1st place.

>>71156823
>no stream, no money
>can't go back because no enough money
>eating noodles to survive by the day
>people tell her to just buy a lawyer
As if it was vegetables.

>>71156541
Are you 15? You have friends and convictions to bounce off of in these kinds of situations. It's your own fault for being an egotistical bitch who'll rather get backstabbed than supported.

>>71156797
>Khyo and False have been getting 6k+ each stream.
>Even the dramatubers are outperforming Niji now.

>Your company in total death
>You B-Bully!
>You will be boycott and cancelled
>BBitch!
After a month still making all the faggot and twittards seethe LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>71157238
Egostical? More like prideful.

>>71153746
>Boy I sure wish people had the same concern for Elira disappearing for weeks that they had for Selen, complete with the accusations of the tweets being fake tweets made by management.
I genuinely don't believe the clique rrat, so let me say this as quite possibly the least skeptical person on the board.

The last thing she did was getting 2.5 raccoon's worth of fists up her ass so she could yap like a Muppet about how someone being driven to suicide and leaking legal documentation was actually not a bad thing, and I can tell you this: she's smart enough to know that would haunt her for the rest of her online career. Either through hate or pity, it was a life-changing event she could have tanked a suspension or even a graduation for instead. But she didn't. I do not blame a single person who feels no sympathy for her after that since the only thing that could have been worse would be saying
>yeah I made that bitch wanna kill herself lol, here's her address btw

>>71157389
Pride elevates and constraints a person, and needs to be developed. Egoism and narcissism are natural traits and an absence of development.

>>71157249
The absolute state of law gifted Jobbersanji.

>>71156541
What a useless bitch, no morals at all

>>71154057
Forget it, this is /vt/ during GMT+8 hours, the facts are mere details.

>>71153746
When Selent went silent it was after the cup of coffee incident and most of that wait even was after the hospital skinwalk tweet.

Elira disappeared after slandering Selen, making herself look like a bully and making a fool out of niji and Riku.

Granted by this poit I do kinda worry she may have genuinely offed herself.

>>71154057
>>71158319
If that was true, she'd be livetweeting up a storm on both her main and secondary account for the past month about how much she loves japan instead of being completely silent except for 2 extremely suspicious tweet chains. You know, like all of the confirmed not-suspended organs are doing.

>>71157249
Don't forget the based grifter lawyer making bank of Kurosanji misery.

>>71153746
Her rope didn't snap

>>71156797
Cope.

>>71157238
If something been very clearly stated is that nobody in NijiEN are genuine friends.

>>71157249
Not just niji but every western vtuber that isn't a Doki, a few Holos, a few Vshojos, and one or two indies. Drama hungry faggots just make up a huge portion of vtuber viewers nowadays

>>71158650
>If something been very clearly stated is that nobody in NijiEN are genuine friends.
You can't be friends when they workplace recreates the lord of the flies.

>>71153746

>>71153746
She'll be back eventually jfc. The biggest yab of NijiEN history didn't sink the yacht, so shit will eventually just march on again. This is coming from someone who wants nothing more than for her to NOT return and just go back to being successful, so stop doomposting you stupid fucking sister.

>>71158994
Stop grouping me with the sisters you cunt.

My wife is having fun in Japan!

>>71153746
Is there anyone delusional enough to support her?

>>71159283
yeah, me

>>71159283
I'm Elira and I suppourt me

>>71153746
Did she not recently tweet with Millie?

>>71159675
with someone's hand up her ass, yes

>>71159078
If you support Elira you're a sister, "cunt."

>>71154104
The dragoons started the #WhereIsSelen thing all on their own. If any remaining Famelira want to start a #WhereIsElira campaign you are free to do so. By all means, show us the strength & solidarity of your community.

>>71159811
Yeah, mine

>>71159842
i don't want to be a sister!

>>71159283
I'm Millie and I support my tyrannical overlord (until the even bigger and even more tyrannical overlord drops her)

>>71159901
Kek what's left of the Famelira are just 3 guys overdosing on hopium and a bunch of Vox and Uki stans in disguise.
>>71160038
Millie really is an excellent representative of her people.

>>71158422
>Granted by this poit I do kinda worry she may have genuinely offed herself.
Then fear not because both millie and enna seem in perfectly fine spirits. If elira was dead, hell if she was so much as missing and not in contact with them privately like normal, they would not be acting like everything is normal.
There are two reads on the current situation. One realistic and one a rrat.
Elira is in hiding because she knows she's basically hitler to her fanbase now and hopes if things go long enough she can slide back in with a portion of them.
Or she had a falling out with the clique, has been fully replaced by millie, and is dead.
Personally I'm thinking the former is much more likely and reasonable.

>>71159901
I have been sleeping for only 1 hour a day for more than 30 days straight posting threads left and right in the hope of helping Elira but it seems it's all gone to wasted. There's only much with as little as 3 guys can do together and we don't have as much support as the dragoons anyway. One can only hope everything was just a dream. There were days I thought I would die because of how little I slept. My schedule is basically fucked.

>>71161130
Honestly, as someone who supported Artia and got burned, I hope that your oshi is as clean as you think she is, but you gotta be ready in case that's not what happens... Good luck, famelira.
Even if it's rough for a while and she IS innocent, it's not impossible to come back. Just look at Sayu.

>>71153746
>is surprised people the care for the well-being of assholes
are you retarded?

>>71161130
holy shit, anon.
you should go find another job, niji clearly treats you and your 2 colleagues like shit if they make you guys do this.

>>71161130
Anon, posting here won't help your oshi or her reputation. This board really isn't as influential as you think it is, and without some kind of major information leak, a few shitpost threads isn't going to do anything other than hurt you. Please take a rest and try to focus on something else for a while until she gets back and just ignore all of the shitposting going on here. Nobody here is actually going after her either way as long as she's gone with no public way to say anything, and she seems to be at least physically fine if we go off of Millie and Enna's mental states.
Even if it turns out that she's not the person you think she is (or we think she is), that doesn't mean that the time you spent with her was worthless because it clearly affected you positively. If things turn out badly, just try to live with the Elira you thought she was.

>>71158994
>The biggest yab of NijiEN history

>>71153746
eh who gives a shit, if we're wrong we'll just apologize like with Sayu before

Bump

>>71161130
Are you sure there are really 3 guys? Heck you might be the last true famelira in this dead internet era

>>71161130

>>71157619
If she's smart enough to know all that and chose to go ahead with it anyway, doesn't that imply she knows something we don't that would have indicated to her it was a good idea? Let's go with the most unforgiving interpretation, that she is in fact an asshole behind the scenes and was just really good at hiding it. Why, then, would she torch her carefully cultivated reputation over something like this? If she's smart enough to hide her true colors, and smart enough to know that participating in this would be devastating to her public image, then there's got to be something more going on. Either more information is going to come out that paints her in a better light, or, if she really is the bad guy here, then she must have gotten a deal so good that it was worth doing all of this.

>>71165371
That's what makes all of this shit so stupid and confusing. Nijisanji isn't just bad, they're cartoonishly evil, and yet they're still somehow completely incompetent. It's like they're doing the exact opposite of whatever propaganda is, painting themselves in the exact worst possible light. It's baffling. How did they actually get to this point? Did they seriously just fail upwards for over 3 years?

>>71165082
>Hail Niji

>>71165894
Elira Pendora: Secret Empire.
Hoo boy. That'd be an AMAZING twist. Riku Tazumi please make it happen.

Its probably not a suspension in the usual sense, more that they're strongly "encouraged" to take a break until the heat dies down. Choosing to appear during EN collabs is probably an option given to them to test the waters.
As for why people aren't concerned for Elira or other EN talents like Enna/Millie, its because they didn't have the dedicated fanbases that Selen or Pomu really did. That, or any dedicated fans of the girls left with those two, and all thats left are sisters that only really care for their male oshis.

>>71161130
While I'm not a true famelira, I wish for her to come out of this unharmed because of two people's who were supposedly harmed the most being:
1. Doki, told us not to wish ill upon any liver.
2. Sayu who openly spoke about Kotoka, Finana and (kinda) Kyo didn't utter a single word about her.

In addition I enjoyed thousands of hours of VTuber streams playing in the background while working with a hundred+ of her streams as well. I worked with thousands of people over the last 15 years with hundreds of them I could classify as 'evil' to some extent. I couldn't sense a speck 'evilness' in any of her streams, slightly secretive at most but that can apply to anyone. Admittedly, I need to face a person in real life to finalize my assumption but still. My current rrat is that she's stuck in a very bad situation for real and she's not the one to blame for the black screen stream. Down with the Niji.

Take care of your health. And for her own good I still hope she graduates, She's capable enough to weave through life with ease, that's what I feel.

>>71166819
>As for why people aren't concerned for Elira or other EN talents like Enna/Millie, its because they didn't have the dedicated fanbases that Selen or Pomu really did.
It really puts into perspective how fucked up is that Nijisanji ended up letting go the only two female livers with a proper fanbase in their company.

>>71158932
I have not noticed him being in any collabs recently, what's up with that?

>>71167169
*sighs*
You wouldn't understand.

>>71166819
There's also the part where Elira's most recent anything on social media was something other than an announcement of hospitalization followed by a month of complete radio silence.

Whatever genuine concern or worry for her well being people have, is not nearly as urgent as the concern and worry people had during Selen's absence. In Elira's case, people are wondering if she is still in good standing with the company; in Selen's case, people were worried for her health and wondering if she was even still alive - and that worry turned into intense fury when it was revealed that she was hospitalized due to a failed attempt and suspended while hospitalized. There is no way that their handling of the case could have been any worse without an actual death.

>>71167206
Is he just that unpopular?

>>71167463
I am worrying if Elira is still alive. For all we know she might be in Riku's yakuza basement at this moment. Or silenced forever so she can't reveal there was an actual gun to her head when she was reading the script. Her latest tweets can be done by management.

>>71165715
Usually if someone is being painted as "cartoonishly evil" while also being incompetent, the truth is usually neither of these thing. They're obviously innocent and the common people are retarded. It's why Democracy ends up with all countries being shit

>>71166819
>>71167134
>proper dedicated fanbases
There’s still Scarle. Her fans immediately kicked up a fuss with #WhereIsScarle after the Kurosanji comment, until Fulgur clarified everything.

I'm a night guard for Nijisanji. I was doing my shift like usual, I had just got done checking the Play Button room and I was on my way to the Aster Cage when I heard a strange noise and the sound of cardboard falling. I went to investigate and found cardboard boxes filled with even more Play Buttons had been knocked over, I shined my torch to the other side of the room and caught a glimpse of Elira before she scuttled away into the ceiling making gutteral vocalisations, she looked like she had gone feral. I'm too nervous to report it to management about it, last guy to report anything strange was taken on a "yacht trip" and never returned.

>>71153949
>stars in her eyes

feels good being a longtime P-san

>>71168167
To be honest, it had more to do with how everyone was worried Nijisanji would pull another one of their usual tactics on her after she hearted the Kurosanji tweet. It got the drama buff.

>>71168258
Get a cage and bait her out using physical copies of debuff jrpg

>>71167595 (me)
Also schizo rrat: Riku who hadn't post shit in months suddenly tweeted a photo from a theme park with pointing out he went there ""TODAY"". Creating an alibi for something?

>>71166072
Where's that Elira ad with "The Regime" right under her screenshot from Singapore.

>>71168711
Do your archive reps.

>>71161130
Based Famelira. You should get some sleep, she'll be back eventually.

>>71155511
Elelen my oshi...

>>71153746
She's getting terminated after today's investor meetup

The easy way out for Elira is to accuse Niji management of abuse, harassment and manipulation. It would potentially destroy the entire company and damage VTubing as a whole, but she would instantly gain sympathy as the victim of the evil black company.

>>71169336
Yeah, but the issue is that all of her friends are still working for the company and are extremely loyal. It would be social suicide and she doesn't have a large enough fanbase to carry her afterwards.

>>71153746
>NDF accusing other people of being a hivemind
Now that's peak comedy.

>>71156797
He's not as bad as that faggot Rev says Desu

>>71153746
everything is fine just enjoy some tunes and relax
https://files.catbox.moe/9qhexb.mp4

>>71169622
That guy has always been a faggot even before this drama. Anyone that stars a video with "Hey, what's up guys" is shit.

>>71167512
I doubt she's going to be a yakuza sex doll, even if she were somehow an unofficial EN manager and was responsible for poor decisions like the black frame stream, while also pushing decisions that benefitted her. Having said that she isn't in a great position either, in the off chance she actually moved to Japan for whatever reason, she is now heavily reliant on Anycolor. It's not likely she has many other employment skills beyond being a translator either.
Plus, because she of the stunts her and her friends got up to, and because they ended up with Anycolor taking a hit to their stock price after the buy back, she's going to be kept on a tight leash from here on out.

>>71169691
He also does better than NijiEN.
Sells own merch getting 100%, not 2%.
Recently married to another vtuber.
Life has been good for him.

>>71153746
She's going to show up to Petra and Rosemis 3D stream like Jesus Christs resurrection and the Niji fan base will weep and welcome her back in open arms as if she was a martyr, she'll probably return to streaming a week after that.

>>71169532
Hey, if Sayu can pick herself up from being unpersoned in the vtubing sphere, I'm sure Elira can do just fine

>>71169591
>calls other people a hivemind for calling you a hivemind
>mindlessly regurgitates a slang term you only picked up when the hivemind started using it a month ago
Now THAT's peak hivemind

>>71169532
Coordinate with her friends to quit together.
If they won't leave then fuck 'em, they ain't her friends they're bootlickers.

She'll get the dramabuff for sticking it to kurosanji and desu I think she could rebuild her career as an indie once the stink of niji washes off. I used to be a fan of hers, I know she can be entertaining as a streamer.

>>71172207
False eyedD got married?

>>71172207
Thank you for the livejournal post from Mr.Desu and Mrs.Desu, but I don't see how that is relevant to him being an obnoxious parasite for years.

>>71173779
It's not really the stink of Niji, but the stink of "I may or may not have bullied someone into attempting suicide twice"

>>71161130
>there is no favoritism in kurosanji
Looking at the amount of outfits and different 3D models I can be sure there is no favoritism and she's 100% innocent.

>>71169208
It's Selira anon.

>>71173954
>>71173779
Not to mention they were her friends precisely because she was in a position of power and they are a bunch of bootlickers.

>>71169336
>The easy way out for Elira is to accuse Niji management of abuse, harassment and manipulation.
Yeah just break the contract, get sued and pay millions in damage to anycolor, outside of that I agree.

>>71153746
Sorry bros I'm still not done using her

>>71173959
Yeah, he has one 3D model. Models that are done in a scheduled release. Nijisanji brushups and 3.0 releases are done as a lottery. 3D is done through a waiting list and they get on that list after reaching 100k subs, when they get their 3D is just a matter how long they're willing to wait. I believe all of Lazulight got their 3D after 2 years.

>>71174138 (me)
>she
Embarrassing typo. My bad.

>>71174186
too late anon, you have confirmed that Elira is just Riku with a voice changer

What if Elira gets terminated and Doki starts interacting with her?
How many rrats would die?

>>71156869
Didn't Niji undercut her case by selling her voice packs while also claiming that she couldn't make any income because no streams?

>>71174239
That will never happen. Even if Elira didn't antagonise Doki before, the black screen stream surely did it. Doki will most likely ignore/ block her if she tried to reach out to her after niji.

>>71169336
>>71169532
>>71173183
>>71173779
>>71173954
>>71174015

If she pulled that and Selen or Sayu called bullshit, she'd be well past done.

She has to make a succesful attempt. It's the only way to save her career.

>>71174389
Pomu reunion would still be possible at least.

>>71174138
>Nijisanji brushups and 3.0 releases are done as a lottery.
I guess she also won the merch deals too, like 4x times compared to the other livers, lucky girl.

>>71174530
Even that seems unlikely. People can cut friends out id their lives and while I am not trying to cast aspersions on her, pomu is not above doing so, especially when it will be somewhat justified. The recent happenings have all but confirmed that.

>>71157177
What happened to her Based dad/brother and the rest of her family? Is she so toxic that they cut all ties to her? If so then she really is faggot who is deserving of everything.

>>71153746
>all according to keikaku

>>71174660
You can only blame Kamamama for making her so perfect and beautiful. If only Niji merch wasn't just standees and the same old shit.

>>71174530
>notPomu mediates between notElira and Doki AGAIN
>notElira fucks her over AGAIN
Best case scenario for Pomu's triumphant return - she goes indie and collabs with Doki. Less good - she joins Hololive EN4, which will restrict her from associating with either Doki or Elira. The absolute worst case scenario - she goes indie and restarts her association with Elira, which tanks her reputation forever.
Joining Vshoujo is already not in the cards, and (god i hope that's the case) not returning to vtubing at all as well.

>>71173954
>>71174015
If we take off the tin foil hats for a moment, I think there is enough ambiguity with the known facts that a possible play would be if Elira/Enna/Millie all quit together and are like "hey it wasn't us it was all Niji, they forced Elira to do the stream, our names were on the document because we were bullied too", and provided nothing comes out to counter that claim they could still be able to restart with the dramabuff of being "niji survivors" like the rest.

>>71174039
Well, if Elira can get the fuck out of Japan I don't think their dogshit bitch pussy contract would hold up in court. They can just get themselves fired if they try hard enough, at this point getting a Niji slander document put on you is a badge of honor.

>>71174432
... well, being clique leader means Elira was raking in all the ill-gotten gains right? Bribe Sayu and Doki with a million canadabucks to pretend to be your friend and you're in the clear.

If that doesn't work... kys I guess cuz the stink of being a bully would never wash off if Doki or Sayu decides to name names.

>>71174892
>if we take off the tinfoil hats
They have been glued to your head for 4 weeks now lol

>>71174892
Errm. I'd like to interject here a bit. You keep using sayu and doki's name together and while I have nothing against sayu, her word doesn't matter as much against elira. Only Doki's does.

In the event of sayu shitting on elira and doki supporting elira you know what will happen. Same goes the other way. Elira doesn't need to appeal to sayu at all. Only Doki

>>71174855
Pomu is probably immune on account of her past friendship with Selen and the context of her graduation. The only effect associating with Elira would have is making Elira look better. (Unless Doki were to stir the pot but she really has no reason to.)

>? ips
grim
what a stupid update

>>71174973
Totally fair, I was just accounting for all possibilities. Bribing Doki is a must, but Elira would have an airtight alibi towards the bullying allegations if she could somehow get both Doki AND Sayu on her side. Form a reverse-clique eith the ex-Nijis against the bootlickers who didn't leave in time, idk something like that.
It's a mistake to view people's real lives in such a tribalistic kind of way, but the cynical way to view it is the best way to restore Elira's reputation and shed the allegations is to start a new war and be on the winning side this time.

>>71174892
>our names were on the document because we were bullied too
There's no heckin way Zaion or Doki would stay quiet if they do this and it's a lie, though. They'd be effectively shooting themselves in the foot.

>>71174973
>In the event of sayu shitting on elira and doki supporting elira
The rrats would be legendary if this ever happened.

>>71153746
People are not concerned because you reap what you sow. Don't try to twist it back to management forcing her to do the black stream. Niji's official statement that came a few hours later would have actually been good pr if she didn't do that disaster contradicting the official company.

What she tried to do was save face, brought along 2 more puppets with large fan bases to act as a shield and committed career suicide

>>71175426
Very true. So my hypothetical plan only works if
A. It's true and Elira+nepo-twins were not the bullies despite all rrars to the contrary.
OR
B. Elira uses all the money she embezzled from the company to bribe at least Doki into pretending to be her friend. I'm thinking a $1m candadabucks at least.

If Elira can do neither of these things... idk, fake her death and start over? That worked for one of the male nijis right? Sonny I think?

>>71175484
What exactly was sown?

>>71173858
>relevant
More watched than NijiEN, therefore your opinion is irrelevant.

>>71173779
Helping friends is one thing but would you be ready to pay thousands to tens of thousands to help them by breaking contract?

>>71175537
>B. Elira uses all the money she embezzled from the company to bribe at least Doki into pretending to be her friend. I'm thinking a $1m candadabucks at least.
If she was actually stealing from the company she'd be out in no time. Where does this rrat come from? We're talking about some girl not Dick Jones from OCP here.

>>71175567
You fixated on a single word out of context like a retard. I'm sorry you're subscribed to a guy who reads tweets to the illiterate, your poor taste is not my fault.

>>71175537
The bullying accusations are really the issue here. She can get away easily by blaming Niji for the blackbox stream, but if she actually harassed Selen then public opinion will be really hard to overcome.

At most she will be able to play the "company was forcing us to do stuff we didn't want to and mistreating us, so I took it on her. I'm very sorry, please forgive me!" card. But that's a stretch.

>>71175590
>Where does this rrat come from?
People tried to push it, but it's very unlikely.

>>71161130
OG Eliraschizo is that you?

>>71175587
It's either that or accept that your internet career is dead and be forced to get a real job.

Doki spent $200k on her personal projects that Niji kept fucking over/cancelling, Elira would be lucky if it only cost a few tens of thousands to save her entire career.

>>71175672
She will get hate any way she tries to weasel her way out of this. Even if niji put a literal gun to her head she would still need to apologize to garner any goodwill beyond her sister hugbox

>>71175590
People were pointing out that Elira was getting more merchandise/sponsorship opportunities or something and theorizing that she must've been getting the lions share of merch profits (at least compares to her colleagues). The embezzlement is just some bullshit some schizo pulled out their ass that's funny to joke about.

>>71175798
>beyond her sister hugbox
Until she decides to have some starbucks...

What's this, NDF delulu hour thinkin because Cover went and opened a new US operation all eyes are averted from NijiEN?
NAW NAW shitstains! We see you goons fabricate rrats about her innocence here. There ain't no goin back to the days before the Black Stream.
Elira's goose is cooked as is her Hanamori lampreys and the creeper boys club!
Do yourself a favor and apologize to Doki and Sayu before Tazumi jumps off with the parachute. NANORA

>>71175718
Time is number, nothing lasts forever. Appreciate your oshi, anon. I tried to keep my fire going but it's withering away day by day. I have barely any fuel left recently. Ironically to be the first only to remain the last, worst case scenario, how poetic that is? Years of years supporting your oshi only for newcomer dramafags to insult you calling you buzzwords such as NDF when they didn't know how much sisters hated my Elira. It hurts.

>>71176366
And it is TIME for you to understand that all evidence points to your oshi being a shitty person.

>>71176366
You're not alone.

>>71176520
"Evidence" lol

>>71176574
Why laugh? Isn't the black stream in itself the most damning thing to judge one's character? This is all her doing

>>71174892
>Bribe Sayu and Doki with a million canadabucks to pretend to be your friend and you're in the clear

Except Sayu and Doki have actual moral principles unlike Lady Backstab. That is the fundamental reason why they were ejected from the black company the way they were, because they stood up for what was right.

>>71176612
Was there? A load of other shit was simply made up and then people started acting like every past stream was suspect. So you had people sharing old clips like Idol Manager, her joking about being a petty bitch with her chat and that cooch shot thing. All forced into the new contextual framework retards came up with.

>>71177325
You mean the new contextual framework her company streamlined in recent months? The one she herself "volunteered" to be the face of? That one?

>>71153746
elira probably got suspended for a while and anykuro will think it's sufficient punishment kek

>>71153746
We dont worry over bullies and whores retard

>>71153746
women don't take loss of reputation well. so I've been sexually correcting her. when I'm done you guys can have elira back

Is she gonna be able to redeem herself?

>>71169297
Oh fuck, the meeting is today? I thought it was on the 14th?

(Also funny sex caption)

>>71153746
Best case scenario, she is suspended until all the legal stuff is done, so she doesn't fuck it up even further.
Worst case scenario is the same as above, but she is terminated right after.

>>71175426
They would have to spin the idea that the “force from within” Doki mentioned was suppose to mean management, and management forced her to take the fall for their incompetence.
Sure she is the queen bee and all that, but if management were desperate they may have convinced her that it’s in her best interest to protect the brand at all cost.
But I doubt she has the charisma to pull that off and end up on top even if its true

>>71179662
I mean strictly speaking she's innocent until proven guilty. We have no evidence that she was involved or responsible in a willful capacity in any wrongdoing.
The fact that she admitted her name and info was on the document is pretty damning, but not beyond reasonable doubt. She just has to deny that she was an involved party, offer some explanation for the black screen stream (nijisanji made me do it!) and move on.
For the most part her fans just need an excuse to believe her so they can return to status quo and the rest of the internet will promptly move on once the drama stops being entertaining.

>>71167851
>usually if someone is being painted as "cartoonishly evil" while also being incompetent, the truth is usually neither of these thing.
Sisters (K-pop stans, slacktivist twitter freaks) are unironically both, so fan reflects the corpo

>>71153875
Selen's voice pack tho?

>>71153746
The idea that Elira was forced to make the statement that completely destroyed Tazumi's attempt to make peace hours later is comical.
Elira being forced to runs completely at odds for the last nearly 3 years. Corporate being aware and active in EN wouldn't have resulted in the hellscape the EN branch became.
Elira at the start of the black stream saying it was ran by company staff and lawyers doesn't make any sense because any legal or HR would have stopped that shit so fucking hard the channel would have been deleted preemptively just to stop the stupid white woman from having a woman moment in front of over 1M people.
People didn't even decide Elira was the villain. It was idle speculation trying to figure out what the fuck was going on. Then she stood up in front of 1M people and declared she was the supervillain behind all of EN's pain when literally no one told her to. All she had to do was shut up and ride it out but she was too much of a woman to do something so simple.
Furthermore as a Canadian she had legal protections to fall back on so knock off the duress shit. Her fans would have followed her anywhere before this and Niji couldn't enforce a non-compete on her in canadian court. If anything they'd get their entire company banned from operating in canadian jurisdiction after any subpoena of discord and slack logs. So if there was (((duress))) she had zero reason to comply. A lawyer would have confirmed to her that she had no reason to comply and a valid suit if Niji threw hands.

So to answer your question, Elira is permanently suspended. She will be trotted out for the con obligation then she will return to the yacht where she will continue to please investors until every last dollar she cost them is made back. Elira has to lay on the dicks she chose for herself.

>>71184341
Somehow I believe that the fact that the black screen video is still up contradicts about 80% of your post though.

>>71184520
The only thing worse than shoving your foot in your mouth is then deleting it to draw even more attention while vindicating the antis. It was immediately downloaded by everyone like me who didn't want to risk it getting memoryholed so deletion doesn't do shit.
Also they had it monetized at the for a while until they saw them getting dragged for it lmao.

>>71184341
>Elira being forced to runs completely at odds for the last nearly 3 years. Corporate being aware and active in EN wouldn't have resulted in the hellscape the EN branch became.
You're implying that there is any competence on the management side of things. Coercion in regards to the black screen video and incompetent management aren't mutually exclusive propositions.
>Elira at the start of the black stream saying it was ran by company staff and lawyers doesn't make any sense because any legal or HR would have stopped that shit so fucking hard the channel would have been deleted preemptively just to stop the stupid white woman from having a woman moment in front of over 1M people.
Yeah, this is again pretending that the people in charge of managing the branch are competent people. Her going rogue makes zero sense. This being a pre-recorded 15 minute thing also implies that it was pre-prepared.
>People didn't even decide Elira was the villain. It was idle speculation trying to figure out what the fuck was going on. Then she stood up in front of 1M people and declared she was the supervillain behind all of EN's pain when literally no one told her to. All she had to do was shut up and ride it out but she was too much of a woman to do something so simple.
This is again your wishful thinking where you conflate the fantasy of the rrat with what was said in that 15 minute video. She confirms what? Behind all the pain of EN? What? Are you implying she was in charge of all the perms and cause of all the recent graduations? You already have your mind made up when all we have to do is wait and see how all this plays out.
>Furthermore as a Canadian she had legal protections to fall back on so knock off the duress shit. Her fans would have followed her anywhere before this and Niji couldn't enforce a non-compete on her in canadian court. If anything they'd get their entire company banned from operating in canadian jurisdiction after any subpoena of discord and slack logs. So if there was (((duress))) she had zero reason to comply. A lawyer would have confirmed to her that she had no reason to comply and a valid suit if Niji threw hands.
Do people know the details of her current situation to make a correct estimate on why she complied if coercion was involved? What about the state of mind and the facts known by her? How can you be sure of anything? Everyone in this situation from Anycolour to Elira and Doki has been insanely vague. From the vague termination notice, from the vague script of the video on Elira's channel to the vague insinuations from Doki's twitter. Seems like people just want to either feel self-righteous about some absurd bullshit or they just want to be petty assholes in general.

>>71175541
All Elira had to do was shut up instead of legitimizing the bullying claims and allegations of her position in the company with that black stream. No one would have okay'd that stream.

>>71185003
It is established fact from employee records found online that Nijisanji EN's management are clowns. The implication of them being savvy PR operators who know how to avoid PR disasters like the black screen video is laughable. Get over yourself.
>"No one would have okay'd that stream"
We aren't about no one here, we're talking about the genius management team that assigns a single to manage 4 talents according to what Sayu said.

>>71184632
>deletion doesn't do shit.
I'd disagree. Any proper HR, legal and PR would tell them to delete that shit within a day and apologize. EVEN MORE if it was a liver's own stunt. Delete in a day, apologize, instantly terminate.

No, they were on it since long time ago. Black company operates like a black company:
- slander those stepping out of line
- slander an attempted person in the termination notice
- throw a liver with decent reputation under the bus
- threaten everyone who doubts
I believe higher-up Japanese management is a bunch of vindictive stubborn old(-er) farts not giving two shits about any of NijiEN livers' well-being and only stroking their own egos.

>>71185170 (me)
>We aren't talking about

>>71185170
I'm gonna laugh so hard when it comes out that Elira did flip her shit over sayu going over her head to corpo.

>>71153746
lol

>>71153746
I'm not gonna put out judgement, but I know that Pomu has been hanging out with her and Luca for like a month in Japan while she is completely avoiding Doki. I trust in Pomu and that's all there is to say about this situation.

>>71156541
>How would I live then?
Anon Elira is rich as fuck. She hasn't worked a single second in her life, her parents are rich as fuck and own several mansions in Canada, one of which she and her "brother" (her words, not mine) live in. She would just go back to Canada and keep living her best life.

>>71153746
SEEING HER THREAD EVERYDAY MAKES ME FALL IN LOVE WITH HER! ELIRAA SAMAAAA! ! ! !

>>71185908
>dumbass.jpg
Not even trying with those baits anymore.

>>71186117
I'm not gay like you.

>>71185908
I unironically agree with this bait post. I love Elira.

>>71185753
>source: the voices in my head
The only one she was seen hanging out with was Matara.

>>71185853
This. Seeing all these naive simps crying for Nova and fanfictioning her supposedly being held against her will without any culpability for her actions is rancid
Famelira listen, people like her always have other handlers covering for their asses. She's not dead, she's not in some sex dungeon. She's not some ignorant teen getting ganged up on by ojisans in some love hotel. She's lying low with her posse in Japan who are used to being called bitches. They might be getting some scolding from management, but you really think their wealthy families wouldn't step in with this kind of rough shit? Come on now.

>>71186414
I know that she's fine. I just want her back, that's all. The only delusion I'm in is my belief that she did nothing wrong.

They probably gave her a job to do behind the scenes

>>71186593
That job behind the scenes? Yeah, being my wife so I stop being an anycolor anti online.

>>71167851
Normally yeah, but that's only if the other side is the one putting out info on them.
In this case it's 100% information coming from Nijisanji themselves showing them to be both evil AND stupid.

>>71168711

>>71187670
Chad

>>71187670
I love Big Sis and her regime with all my heart.

>>71187670
>m*les on the left ready to run a train on her
kek can't make this shit up

>>71187670
>no fangs
I know it's a model but still.

>>71188142
Nah that's her enforcers

>>71158994
>The biggest yab of NijiEN history didn't sink the yacht
You're right, the yacht isn't sinking at all! In fact, this end of it just went way up in the air!

>>71188360
Poor Shu.

>>71177256
Ehhhhh
as a fan of both, I wouldn't say that. They got fucked over because they didn't mesh with the group, not because of any moral righteousness. Ethics is one thing, but Selen stuck out like a sore thumb constantly trying to do projects only to be hammered back into line, and Sayu was a firecracker that wasn't able to be wrangled by the nonexistent management.

>>71153875
So was Selen. In fact, Niji literally waited til the duration for the packs was over to terminate her.

Very sure you can even find a few merch of hers on the site.

>>71189246
No, they didn't even wait that long. iirc we thought she was safe because her merch sale ended on the 29th, and she was fired on the 5th.

>>71175672
Its not just "harassment" that's the issue. Its more the fact that she drove one of her colleagues to attempt suicide at least once. The fact that she's listed in Selen's confidential document (that was only meant for lawyers to view) alongside Enna and Millie is just damning, I don't know how you would even be able to turn things around since a simple apology wouldn't be enough. And if NijiEN's communication with 39daph and Enna and Vox's quotes are any indicators
>"It's a very grey situation"
>"Keep fighting the good fight"
then it just seems like NijiEN is unapologetic and does not seem to understand why what they did was wrong. Which would make any apologies seem very insincere as you can picture them going back to seethe in their private discord.

>>71167851
>NDF
>unabashedly Anti-Democracy
Why am I not even surprised?

>>71158852
Imagine making friends with people when you're competing with them in the Hunger Games
>>71165371
It's not hard to understand. If she really was responsible for harassment, if not straight up doing it herself; if there were other heinous things she was up to that no one has even figured out yet; then that's a good enough reason to do the black stream.
If she went nuclear and tries to escape Niji, she'll have a black-text-on-white-background termination letter telling the world all of her crimes including what she'd done to Selen. Her internet career would be over anyway.
If she's guilty, her only choice is sticking with Niji. If she isn't guilty then she'd have to be truly retarded to do that stream.
The fact that it was scheduled to coincide with Dokibird's Neopets stream also makes it feel way more personal and vindictive. I find it hard to imagine a JSL manager pressuring Elira to do that stream is going to go that far to fuck with Doki. It feels like talent-sourced malevolence. Someone seething scheduled that stream, and it was hosted on Elira's channel so...

>>71189352
You folks need to pay attention to some of the stuff Elira did say in the past.

People thought "HAHA FUNNY" when Elira said on stream she is so petty that if something makes you suffer, she will do it.

That should have rung alarm bells but I guess people just dont care.

>>71189687
>People thought "HAHA FUNNY" when Elira said on stream she is so petty that if something makes you suffer, she will do it.
Yeah, a joke about not using fast travel in a game is akin to actually harming people out of petty spite. Get over yourself.

>>71167169
>>71167512
>why doesn't others collab with him
He's really a redflag menhera behind the scenes, even before all this drama happened he rarely got in collabs with the others, he once said on stream that he feels kinda upset that no one really wants to collab with him, his idiotic fanbase thinks he's being left out on purpose by other livers not knowing Aster's just an asshole to be with offline.
>is he just really unpopular?
Content-wise and synergy-with-others-wise yes to both. He grinds games and gets salty when he doesn't win putting his teammates in an awkward spot, I also think he places himself as a gamer vtuber by grinding popular vtuber games like apex, valo, league and he sucks at all of them which isn't good to watch. Hell, he spammed apex for weeks straight and couldn't get a collab with selen, who's a well-known networker and who even collabed with his genmates multiple times. He only gets invited if it's an all branch event/tourney. All in all he acts and sounds like an insecure boyfriend who's say he'll khs if you leave him

So why was pomu hanging out with elira in Alaska after selens suicide attempt? Is she in cahoots with elira too? She seemed to be having a ton of fun.

>>71189754
See?
Immediately with the
>IT WAS JUST A JOKE

Classic bully excuse.
"We were just joking! It was just fun!"

Fuck off anon.

>>71154057
She's being used as a onahole by Niji management, and they also asked homos to come to fuck her so that they can have revenge for what she did to their friend

>>71189798(me)
Who'd say*

>>71189687
I think people are getting too hung up on good people vs bad people tbdesu. There really isn't such a thing in this case. Elira's "foreshadowing" to me was more stuff that showed she liked to control things, like the drunk elira vs pomu/rosemi incident where she removed pomu's mod powers in order to do a joke.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdiPPv879UI
It makes way more sense for someone to be self serving, opportunistic, and controlling than to be "morally" evil for the sake of being evil, and putting up doki and sayu as some kind of bastion of justice. Even then, it seems far more likely to be a slippery slope that grew completely out of control. Definitely still bad, but I'd still put this more on the managers for fostering such a horrible, competitive environment between coworkers rather than putting it ALL on Elira and the clique. She seems more like a high school clique leader than an evil corpo mastermind.

>>71161130
>>71176366
I was in the "X days until last stream" thread and sometimes checked on /HaHa/. X days until last stream thread would stay up for multiple hours and there was at least 1 or 2 more Selen threads on the catalog that were moving at the same speed, in addition /HaHa/ was a ghost town where the same 5 guys were on bump watch trying to keep the thread alive. /vt/ is just not big in the vtuber sphere, in addition the board is relatively anti-Niji so people who watch Nijisanji stay isolated in their threads.
This is all to say that using this board to judge the reaction towards Elira is a bad idea, it's just no representative of the situation. If it makes you feel any better the vast majority of the replies in her recent tweets (I checked the handle, not the replies, I know they scrub those) were 90% positive. She has a base to come back to, even if diminished. Admittedly she's not going to get the Doki welcome on her return, but she can do the Sayu grind if she dedicated herself to it.

>>71189839
>catalogfaggot can't get the timeline or even location correct

>>71189964
>Classic bully excuse.
>"We were just joking! It was just fun!"
Are you alright, anon? I'm sure whatever happened to you was bad, but you really shouldn't project your trauma onto Elira.

>>71156797
It entertains me more than niggersanji organs

>>71190060
Wasn't she completely blasted during this?

Holy shit guys, I just discovered bullying in Hololive!
https://youtu.be/F0AGdK6Y2S8?si=Dpy__KnL2YrnJvgS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxTY736oMgw
This abuse must be why Gura barely streams.

>>71190661
Yes, it was the Drunk Phasmo stream with Finana so would have at least been a little drunk during this.
Plus she went on several weird/crazy tangents about "Breaking the Seal" and "Niagara Falls" only prior during that stream also.

>>71156541
>Do this retarded thing
>No
>We'll fire you
>I said no
>Move back to your home country with the big ass wad of cash you made as a liver, that niji can't take away from you even if their contract says otherwise
>Go back to streaming with your intact, or even empowered, reputation
She had alternatives to obeying management. Good alternatives, in fact. She would be making far more long term if she refused. However she made her choice and that is assuming they even forced her. They probably didn't. At least Ike had the sense to just drop one or two sentences of clear empty talk.

>>71184975
>petty assholes in general
Yeah that is the blackscreen stream alright, petty assholes in general.

>>71190950
Except Lady Elira. She's a ray of sunshine.

This thread still alive Hehe I'm gonna milk this to revenue!

>>71190661
Yeah. Being drunk tends to exaggerate your inner feelings and urges though. At the time it was cute, but if you look at it in context now, it's more relevant than any of the other "evidence" like her making jokes about sleeping with managers during idol manager games or body shots with CEOs or whatever. I think she just likes to be in charge, and is probably decently good at it, but the lack of REAL logistics support from management to compliment her people skills fucked her over and she fell back to the highschool era tactics of "fit in or get out."
Dunno what to make of the whole merch thing, though. That shit's kind of indefensible without more info.

>>71190740
It's fine when Hololive does it

>>71190075
Roru the fuckin Dragoon displays the most empathy for Elira besides her own base. Commendable, but I have the sinking suspicion she'd fuck with your oshi again if it wasnt for Riku tardwrangling her before the investor meeting.
Elira will never do the Sayu grind. Her personality, background and debuff choice of games do not allow for it. She'll never fall into hard times to the extent of Sayu where her mansion gets doxxed. She's Niji ride or die.

>>71190998
Oh cool, where can I that tho? Notifs have been quite for sure.

>>71189839
It was Antarctica. The thing with Pomu though is that we have no clue as to how much she knows. Either she was in on it with Elira and felt awful once she realized Selen tried to alt+F4 herself, she knew only tiny bits but was more of a bystander that would occasionally intervene, or she was absolutely kept in the dark like everyone else due to not being part of Elira's gay op discord server. Anything is likely knowing NijiEN and it could even be various combinations or variations of them.
Its worth noting though that Pomu seemed to be friends with Elira up until the Selen drama though, so unless she really hated Selen behind the scenes, it feels more likely that there was quite a bit that she didn't know about. And that's despite being one of the OG members of NijiEN and close enough with Elira even before they joined. Granted, none of them seemed to be close enough with Finana to invite her to Antarctica...

>>71191229
JDdon my soul was unironically bullying and everyone just laughed at Bae

>>71191361
They did invite Finana, but Finana couldn't afford it because she spends all of her paychecks on gacha

>>71191361
>Granted, none of them seemed to be close enough with Finana to invite her to Antarctica...
She was actually too broke to go. No joke, she blew all her cash on gacha.

>>71189687
>Elira said on stream she is so petty that if something makes you suffer, she will do it.
Proof next thread right?

>>71191170
KEWK

>>71191544
I'm a famelira so I will post it. I have nothing to hide about my oshi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPxcq6ghoXE

>>71191599
>>71191544
Here evil things
https://youtu.be/es1pFnq_VJ4?si=gPj2mdmsexswSGTA

>>71191170
I wonder if it was Elira who called the management who suddenly 'introduced' these rules. There was also a rrat that someone in the management had Selen's number so they could have done it.

Regardless, if the contents of the screenshot are true then there was clear malice involved.

>>71191454
>>71191457
I guess I should have said, "none of them cared about her enough to cover the cost of the trip despite being at the company for a while". Granted, I have no clue how much a trip to the Antarctic costs, but its still fucking depressing that Finana blew through damn near all of her NijiEN funds that quickly.

>>71191361
>Its worth noting though that Pomu seemed to be friends with Elira up until the Selen drama though, so unless she really hated Selen behind the scenes, it feels more likely that there was quite a bit that she didn't know about.
Or she's laying low until the whole thing blows off. No need to jump into the fray.

>>71191777
>Elira: The fix is in. Call it in and drop the termination notice, Riku.
Delusional.

>>71191777
Yeah, I can 100% believe that malice was involved, probably even quite a bit from the other organs, but even then I think that management is the one to blame for the shitty environment fostering it and letting it escalate to this point. This kind of bullshit doesn't happen because of one bad egg. Especially not the whole "you're nothing without Nijisanji and you're completely replaceable" garbage. That's an environmental thing, and Elira just sounds like a symptom rather than a cause.

>>71192289
Oh man its just so hard to see Elira being that petty . The black screen stream is one thing but this is cartoonish evil.

>>71191599
>>71191679
You guys have the one where she bullies the Uber drivers asking them about tits because she was so enamored with the hooters restaurant. That one always rubbed me the wrong way. Like the guy is just trying to do his job and you're making him uncomfortable talking about tits like your trying to entrap them into saying something while Enna or Millie could be filming it.

>>71192540
She was a tumblrina according to fellow /vt/ fellas so that is par

>>71192540
>Like the guy is just trying to do his job and you're making him uncomfortable talking about tits like your trying to entrap them into saying something while Enna or Millie could be filming it.
I'd have to look, but I can't deny that she was a total weirdo. The last part about "entrapment" sounds like your imagination.

>>71192540
Bruh no way, honest to god Tumblr tactics. If they really did that, the Hanamori gang is sticking to its roots.

>>71192540
I think you're starting to hyperfocus here.

>>71192877
NTA but here is the clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhD3eLn3vB0

>>71192524
I don't suppose anyone has the vid of Elira going off about how she's "a petty bitch"?

>>71192950
Pure evil.

I don't even care if there was internal bullying, the fact that Elira volunteered her channel and reputation to stick it to Selen is all the proof I need that she's a stone cold evil bitch.

>>71192950
Outside of making the driver uncomfortable, I don't think she was being either malicious or duplicitous here.

>>71193015
Yeah, I posted it. She made a joke and she still ended up using fast travel. >>71191599

>>71192865
NTA but with how much came out about NijiEN as of late it wouldn't be surprising. 3 girls in your car and one of them openly starts talking to you about boobs, it'd make tons of dudes scared that something fishy is going on.

Guys, I found undeniable proof Elira is not evil.
https://youtu.be/hM1iIyxDTmc?si=3S7_mG9PLJtUlOt7

>>71193049
>insubordination
Big Sis will have to whip the soles of your feet for this.

>>71154057
She destroyed an entire branch of Nijisanji herself

Leaked footage of Elira's meeting with Riku and Nijisanji suits.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmIAM-hnEjQ

>>71191777
Obviously I can't prove it, but I have long been convinced that this "rule" was introduced ex-post facto as a way to torpedo Selen's video.

The rule as stated simply doesn't make any sense. If "permissions" were required to use "vTuber images" then who was responsible for obtaining those permissions? For that matter, who was responsible for granting them? If permissions required a simple "yes" from management, why was that "yes" refused? If permissions required a simple "yes" then why was the video taken down, couldn't things have been resolved with an email saying "You have our permission but don't jump the gun next time?" If they had to take down the video while getting that simple "yes," then it should have been a matter of hours (maybe a day or two at most) before the video was released, but the video never re-materialized, suggesting that no such permission would ever be forthcoming.

If the permissions required complex administrative work and lots of paperwork from the legal team, why haven't we heard of this before from other Livers? Why did Selen, an experienced veteran of the company, not know of this "rule" previously (her Discord leaks indicate she'd never heard of this "rule" before). Nijisanji, despite its market cap, is not a very large company - are layers and layers of administration and paperwork really required for the company to grant permission to use its own IP?

The story as presented is simply not believable. Whether it was Elira, or whether it was a faceless manager with a gigantic hateboner for Selen, it was simply a convenient excuse to justify the decision to take the MV down and explain themselves to the general public afterward. The real reason the MV was taken down was because Elira or the faceless manager hated Selen and wanted to harm her.

>>71193282
imagine being Nina or Mysta and hating Selen but still being forced to be in her MV because you didn't own the character you played

>>71192865
Oh yeah, pure imagination. But it would still make you uncomfortable. Imagine if the roles were reversed and you're a chick with three dudes asking you about dicks.

>>71191170
>I bring nothing good to the branch
I wonder if there's something behind that. Like, what factors make enough sense for other members to tell her this.

>>71193928
Yeah, I didn't deny it wasn't uncomfortable. She's weird and I like her.

>>71194571
The only possible charitable explanation I can think of is that since manager resources are so limited, her projects clogged up a lot of their time, which they still weren't using efficiently.

>>71194571
She probably got demeaned by some pencilpusher for "wasting their time".

>>71194571
My guess would be that other members(not including TTT) didn't support her during the MV boogaloo. Arguments got heated, especially when she started asking people to share it and one or more person went off on her. I can picture it right now.

>>71194886
>one or more person went off on her
It was Vox apparently.

>>71194813
But what about her projects took up time or resources? She was still responsible for financing them the bulk of them herself, all management had to do was look over them and say "Yeah that's fine" or something.

>>71156813
>Reddit man shit

>>71153746
this is pretty funny how nobody really is asking wheres elira like they did with selen or scarle. she doesnt have any real fans.

>>71156541
Karma's a bitch.

>>71195021
Apparently even that was too much time for them, if we go off of sayu's doc.

>>71194886
>not including TTT
roru
rumao

>>71153746
>What is Elira actually waiting for?
The truth will set you free, and its coming.

>>71195371
>Don't spend your day searching for the truth

>>71153746
>It's frustrating that she's been squeaky clean for years
she's been getting defiled by every man working at AnyColor for years now

>>71195711
Yeah, because it will be revealed to you.

>>71153746
>Boy I sure wish people had the same concern for Elira disappearing for weeks that they had for Selen
She should have had a bigger number, then

>>71193616
Sounds like a them problem. Graduating means leaving the past behind, not being a petty cunt

>>71195799
Enna, tell Millie 4 provinces over. You don't have to come with.

>>71193616
Zero chance it happened, but can you imagine if this shit happened because Nina told Cover she didn't want to be in the Selen video and that's why Matara is evading Doki.

>>71193616
neither mysta nor nina had any say in this anyway. they are anycolors property, literally.

>>71189798
Man, that gives more credence to the *sigh* thing. He sounds like he squandered his vtubing career.

>>71195873
Sounds like a Selen problem. Those two graduated, so she should have left the past behind and not included them in the MV.

>>71196034
It would open up a new front in the All Out War, deliciously based.

>>71196034
>Nina told Cover
Holofaggot mask has slipped

>>71196113
Someone who's accepted that he's unlikeable and will be avoided by others. Dunno why he stays though. The convo with scarle also indicated insecurity about people not caring about him or sth

>>71196199
They were still part of her present. Just like Selen is part of the other livers' present. Seethe.

>>71196199
You forget the fact that she learnt about it AFTER she released the mv and it got privated.

>>71196328
>>71196360
They weren't part of her "present", because they graduated months before the MV release. If you expect Nina and Mysta to "leave the past behind", then Selen should as well, and not have included them in the MV.

>>71187670
>Elira's lore is betraying her sister
>Sayu's lore says she was a prophet from the future trying to stop the apocalypse
I forgot two very big and funny coincidences, I'll let other anons add to it but It's like the whole universe is willing it to life, praise the GURRAT.

>>71196454
The MV was in development before they graduated. But it doesn't even matter, because in her own post above she wrote that graduated livers couldn't be represented in any way, regardless of their permissions. And it looks like this rule was made on the spot, otherwise Selen wouldn't include them as you suggest.

>>71196454
Why should she? They graduated, not her. That's bs. Seethe.

>>71196544
Dubs of meme magic. You just need to beriebe

>>71191170
Being drunk doesn't magically transform you into another different person, it just shows who you really are because you're drunk and stupid enough to not care about appearances.

>>71196708
Shit, I guess that makes me a rapist then.

>>71192950
Lol top comments from a year ago were people arguing if it's considered "bullying"

>>71153746
she took a couple weeks off to deal with the stress by having sex 24/7 with me. I don't think I can take much more... I hope she goes back to streaming soon......

>>71196632
Except the rule wasn't made "on the spot", because we've seen graduated livers be included in things BEFORE the MV and AFTER the MV. What's more, in the Discord screenshot showed on Elira's stream, the manager said that they "had to check perms" - that is not a "No you cannot include them", which is what Selen said in her artist Discord chat. Selen was caught straight-up lying.
>>71196646
"Leaving the past behind" is not selective. Leaving it behind is leaving it behind. Cry more about it.

>>71153875
They literally announced merchandise for Selen as they terminated her Anon. That counts for nothing.

>>71196974
>Selen was caught straight-up lying.
hey remember when selen said she couldn't host any international collabs anymore? and then she hosted the TSB APEX thing what was not only international, but also inter-company? yeah she seems to have a history of lying

>>71153746
Can't wait for her to think it's a fucking good idea to appear in Petra or Rosemi's 3D debut. Perfect way to screw each one of them by drowning them with her in drama.
She just has to address the cancer on her channel, but it's not gonna happen because we know if it's not her is management, and Riku will defend his friends over his livers.

>>71196974
It is literally selective when everyone deals with it differently. You make no fucking sense, sister.

>>71196974
>the manager said that they "had to check perms"
And then put on hold for 36 hours, yeah.

>>71196957
Have you been eating enough pineapple, anon?

>>71153746
she is using her body to pay off her depts to ovners

>>71196974
>Leaving it behind is leaving it behind. Cry more about it.
I would say the same to you Nijifags, as you're the ones who keep trying to reopen issues to deflect from problems that crop up day after day in your company.

>>71196974
It's not even a matter of the rule. You are not convincing anyone Selen somehow hid a MV project to everyone for months. That's just not how it works, and it would still prove complete management failure to even check on their talents.
And regardless, MVs have clearly being released that violate the same rule. No, don't give me the "they changed the rules" crap, no one said they did so I'm sticking with what they said.
I was a setup because they wanted her to not graduate. Too close to Pomu, too much bad PR. They wanted her out on their own terms.

>>71191170
Those are still confirmed fake btw, stop thinking spamming them makes them real cuck.

>>71197110
Nope. The manager said at 10:30PM JST that they needed to check perms. Less than 12 hours later, at 10AM JST, Selen released the MV without receiving approval.

>>71197225
>And regardless, MVs have clearly being released that violate the same rule. No, don't give me the "they changed the rules" crap, no one said they did so I'm sticking with what they said.
EXACTLY.
THEY DIDN'T CHANGE ANY RULES.
They never told Selen "No you can't release this because it has graduated livers in it", that was something she LIED to her artist Discord about.
The Discord message from staff says they had to check perms, that is NOT a the same as "No you can't release this because it includes graduated livers".

>>71197280
Proof next thread?

>>71197467
If you're saying that they're real, then you're saying that Selen LIED to her artist Discord. Is that something you really want people to know? That she LIED in order to excuse her actions?

>>71197585
Seethe.

>>71197624
>no argument
I accept your concession :)

I wonder if they were all bickering in the same manner about managers, perms and all that stuff like we are lol

>>71197653
>still no proof
Yikes

>>71197653
I accept your concession. :)

>sisters going back to the perms argument
39IQ move indeed, imagine thinking an MV that has to be planned for a year doesn't know about the perms.
The menhera sisters knows very well how to bully people but pretends it doesn't happen in kurosanji.

>>71197451
>>71197585

The far likelier explanation is that Niji lied about the rule change, not Selen. As I posited above, it was clearly something they came up with on the spot to invent a reason to block the MV from being posted.

Furthermore, if it was just a matter of a quick "perms check" and a "quick okay" then the MV would have gone right back up. But it never did, did it? Because it was never going to be allowed to go back up.

>>71197767
It was going to go back. They just wanted to bully her but they still wanted the money from her work lmao

>>71197585
Where’s the proof they’re fake though?

NTA but if the perms are used to sabotage or stone wall her projects but it isn’t an issue for others, then it may as well be saying “you aren’t allowed”

Personally I’m inclined to believe that Selen exaggerated her problems, and given she was a try-hard the others resented her. She probably malded about perms and everyone told her to wait, which led to an argument similar to the one here. Some may know why she’s so frustrated and others don’t have a clear understanding. Too bad none of the people involved will actually say what happened

>>71197767
>The far likelier explanation is that Niji lied about the rule change, not Selen. As I posited above, it was clearly something they came up with on the spot to invent a reason to block the MV from being posted.
Except there was no rule change. Including graduated livers in MVs has always required additional perm check time. Go listen to Maria's cover after-talk for Mani. All Selen needed to do was wait as well, but apparently she thought she was "above the rules" and released it without approval.
>Furthermore, if it was just a matter of a quick "perms check" and a "quick okay" then the MV would have gone right back up. But it never did, did it? Because it was never going to be allowed to go back up.
It didn't go back up because she opened up a HUGE can of worms by telling others to reupload the cover, which violates Anycolor content distribution guidelines (go check the termination notice). If she had been a professional about it, she would have tweeted something along the lines of "Sorry, have to private this cover while some perms get worked out", but nah instead she decided to have a menhera breakdown about it, which sealed her fate with the company.

Reminder that whatever happened with Selen's perms doesn't change the fact that Anycolor is a vantablack company and now Niji EN is a dead-branch-walking and won't last to the end of the year because of the actions THEY took, without any help or hindrance from ""dookiebird"" or whatever pet name the sisters are using at the moment.

>>71198062
>Where’s the proof they’re fake though?
I'm not the one saying they're fake. I'm saying that if they're real, then Selen was caught lying to her artist Discord.
>NTA but if the perms are used to sabotage or stone wall her projects but it isn’t an issue for others, then it may as well be saying “you aren’t allowed”
If it was getting delayed for weeks, sure you can say that they're trying to stonewall her. But it wasn't weeks. It wasn't even a day. It wasn't even 12 hours. And it was in the middle of the night JST. Sorry Selen, but people need to sleep.

>>71198097
This faggot was saying the same shit one month ago and got shut up. Stop, you are only clowining yourself.
The MV doesn't break any rule, the Manager ghosted her past deadline which is bullshit and was done precisely so she would post and then they could catch her with a non-existant rule.
You are a poor idiot who thinks anyone still care, they came out and blamed management, then tried to smear her. No one is siding with you but your used tampon, so stop bothering us.

>>71198228
Where's the lie tho?

>>71198228
>Let's completely ignore everyone involved with it came in Defense of Selen BUT the company, I said she lied without proof on a board, I'm fucking right. Now I'll proceed to use this used tampon.

>>71198284
Management doesn't adhere to Selen's personal deadlines. If Selen wanted the MV to be out by a certain date, she should have submitted it for approval earlier, especially if there ended up being something that needed to be changed. Not submitted it for approval on Day 2 of NijiFes when management is busy taking care of the EN livers who are participating in NijiFes.

>>71198097
The problem with this "menhera" argument assumes, without evidence, that everything was just going fine and dandy at Nijisanji and then one day, for no reason at all, Selen decided to kill herself and send legal complaints to Nijisanji because she didn't want to wait give minutes for permissions. Your own argument is even self defeating. You allege no rule change ever happened and that Livers were allowed to use images of other Livers without a problem.

Why then would Nijisanji and its supporters allege the video had to be privated indefinitely because they didn't have "permissions" to use their own Livers' images? Surely they could just send a quick email saying "don't do this again." How much administrative paperwork and approvals are really needed to use their own IP? Anycolor is a very small company with very loose internal procedures, this isn't Disney with tons of divisions and thousands of people working for it.

That doesn't pass the laugh test.

>>71198316
>>71198334
Here's the lie, since you two seem to be too stupid to put the two screenshots together.

>>71198440
Everything but the final product was submitted long before that point, my unemployed friend, and all the elements were already there then. Management has been unable to perform a simple check for months? Yikes

>>71198533
>Why then would Nijisanji and its supporters allege the video had to be privated indefinitely because they didn't have "permissions" to use their own Livers' images?
They never said "indefinitely", that was what Selen was trying to imply with her tweet, hence why she was called out for "omitting context" from her tweet in the termination notice.

>>71198440
Whichever organ or intern is trying to throw up this defense, it isn't helping your position. No one actually cares how wrong or right the initial event was, it was the actions taken by your company after the fact that completely tarred them. It's just embarrassing at this point, give it up.

>>71196974
You are a fucking mongoloid. That MV has been on the works for a good 5 or so MONTHS and the artist agree on SHOWING STORYBOARDS EARLY ON THE PROJECT, You are a fucking retard who should not come here with this bullshit

>>71198534
Did they not know all this time that there are ex livers in the video.

>>71198177
>NijiEN survives
I get to watch my wife Elira
>NijiEN dies
I get to watch my wife Nova
I win either way.

>>71198534
Why would you cut off the top of the screenshot?

>>71198534
She could have misunderstood the manager or gotten confirmation they didn't want to be included somewhere else like in VC. It doesn't really disprove anything on its own.

>>71198534
Don't see the lie, sorry. We have no idea what she was told by management between the time the two messages went up.

>>71198702
Then she should have replied back to management saying "But didn't you approve the storyboards that included the two of them in it?". Nope, instead she ignored them and released it without receiving approval to do so. That's all on her.

>>71198534
And that post is still confirmed fake. you keep pulling it out but it has not been confirmed true.
Not only that, that's literally contradicting all others MV.
Once again you prove to have no argument and going in circle. Eat a tampon, faggot.

>>71198843
You better go tell this entire thread that it's fake, then >>71193473

>>71198778
They will be neither Elira nor Nova, for she is dead.

>>71198802
>Ignored it
>Was literally ghosted
>Projecting for the third time because admitting this argument is a loser one would be admitting they are idiots.

And you know the best part? This is ALL you have. You can't even manage to do one more step outside the MV argument, because it's the only one grey enough that you can swim into.
She got suspended one month after with that excuse, AFTER she sent an HR complaint because they got scaed of what was inside.
>B-but lawsu--
Shut up faggot. There is no lawsuit. This makes you immediately wrong. But you will not admit it because it would make your stupid FAKE argument shattered.
Don't come to the board with your shit and think you can gaslight anyone with it.

>>71198802
How the fuck do you know she didnt? You are taking anything put forth from kurosanji at face value, but anything Doki is a false and lies. YOU ARE SO FUCKING LOST THAT ITS MIRACLE HOW YOU SOLVE THE CAPTCHA TO SEND THESE MESSAGES.

>>71198097
It's very interesting to think about Selen telling her fans to re-upload the cover. Anyone could see that would be a bad thing to do in the company's eyes. Easily grounds for a suspension at minimum. Yet she was immediately convinced the cover would never come back. I wonder why that might be.

Nice MV rehash sisters.
Sadly, almost nobody really cares but you, but you get btfo by the few that do, keep doing it

>>71198912
It's not discussing the pic though, OP just decided to use it for some reason.

>>71198534
You're still using the Elira's video as "proof"? It still shows that it took them 30 hours to respond. Also, the video was scheduled to go live on her schedule, if management had a problem with it then they should've handled this situation way before when she was sending them WIP checks.
I also wouldn't be surprised if that secret manager was Millie at this rate due to how ESL that tweet is.

>>71198778
I want those nails to dig into me and draw blood.

>>71198778
Whatever she comes out will not be for long if she can't explain why she was fine smearing someone who only got out, somehow got to read an HR private complaint, and the person still defended them after that which is the only reason she may have a chance if she can blame management.
But she can't, so she's ded.

>>71199051
Oh no Anon, hide that! People's mind will explode if you prove HUNDRED OF THOUSANDS of people knew about the deadline and yet the management decided to ghost her conveniently at that date.
I'm happy she left, this company is not yakuza but definitely runs as one.

>>71199008
More like SHE was the one who ghosted management. Look at the times in the screenshot above. Management said they needed to check perms at 9:30PM JST. Selen released the cover at 10AM JST. Sorry Selen, but people need time to fucking SLEEP.
>>71199011
>>71199013
Except we have seen Selen lie about "not being able to do something" before. Remember how she said she couldn't host international events anymore? And then months later she hosted not only an international event, but also intercompany? Yeah, everyone likes to memoryhole that.

>>71199168
If anything it has some weird similarities to a cult, mainly in terms of how those lawyers had that one artist list out her flaws for hours while also yelling at her. I'm not sure if that's something even most Yakuza fronts would do, they would either be more concerned about making money or the whole thing would be an obvious scam from the get-go.

>>71199051
>It still shows that it took them 30 hours to respond.
And? They were busy with something far more important that Selen's cover. That's no excuse for her to violate protocol and release the MV without permission.
Also, Selen sets her own schedules for herself, management has no say in it.

>>71199422
>And? They were busy with something far more important that Selen's cover.
Literally what? Pomu's graduation notice? That wouldn't take that much time to write up. And if management is stretched THAT thin that they cannot even take 15-20 minutes to do a review of a video with IP that their own company has the rights to, NijiEN was going to fall apart with or without Selen eventually.

>>71198933
She is talking about Death Note on her twitter right now
>>71199059
Same
>>71199086
She'll be fine. Most people understand she can't address it while in the company, although it'd be nice if she says something.

>>71199710
>She
Are you sure about that?

>>71199422
30h doing fuck all on a workday for a time critical project yeah. I'd be fired if I did that but in niji it's ok I guess. In fairness I'm not a minimum wage slave with a vendetta so IDK

>>71199710
She'll be back soon.

>>71199359
They can't be Yakuza, it says they aren't associated with organized crime in the contract silly

>>71199700
They were busy with the biggest Nijisanji event of the year: NijiFes 2023. And multiple EN livers were participating in the event (live, not pre-recorded), so managers were busy with that. Selen would know too, she was in NijiFes2022, and talked about her doing a bunch of things in-person with her (previous) manager.

>>71199753
Yeah, either that or manesan got better.

>>71199864
Yeah, a time-critical project known as NIJIFES. That is more important than yet another bog-standard cover that could get released at any time.

I famelira really want to gaslight themselves into believing it's all ok, then go on twitter and do it there. You look sad and pathetic trying to do it here.
reminds me of fandeads going into histrionics about nothing burgers before rushia got canned

>>71199968
Anon, you just argued they were asleep.

Either they were asleep or crunching for Nijifes. Which is it? Can't even keep your BS straight for a handful of posts?

>>71200009
>can only do one thing at a time especially when the thing takes at least 37h and you have other responsibilities
cry me a river, incompetent dumbass

>>71199968
Even though NijiFES is an all hands on deck situation, there's no way that at least one of their 323 employees was unable to do a quick, routine check. The fact that Finana and Maria were able to use not only Pomu's appearance but also her vocals show that their "no using ex-talents" rule is extremely lax, because Anycolor owns the rights to the characters, not the talents.

>>71199710
>she can't address it
She can't address it because she's guilty, being in the company has nothing to do with it.

So before the thread dies, who here believe Elira is innocent, somewhat guilty or a malicious bully?

>>71200357
She's innocent.

>>71199309
You are so fucking far gone sister, there is no helping you in anyway sort or form. The SLACK messages are not a COMPLETE CONVO THEY HAD BETWEEN MANAGER AND SELEN, IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN A FUCKING BRAIN CELL YOU CAN SEE THAT.
>She lied cos she was banned from making tournaments
Yeah and so what? She told people she could not host them for now, but then got the perms back, FUCKING EASY AGAIN TO FIGURE OUT.

>>71200357
Malicious.

>>71200357
Guilty of bullying but I just ignore her for now. If she apologizes I would give her a chance because I think it's mostly Niji's fault for failing to provide a good working environment to begin with.

>>71200357
Elira was a bully, but never intended that shit escalates to suicide attempts, and now she's freaking the fuck out over the consequences of her actions. That's my take.

>>71200357
Your honor that nigga is guilty.

>>71200357
Somewhat guilty. Management is notoriously bad, even admitted by other graduated livers but Elira most likely stood by and let Selen be ostracized and might of been a part of it. Also the whole black screen video was a terrible idea for her to do.

>>71200357
Malicious. Even disregarding everything else, the black stream alone was absolutely vile.

>>71200132
The initial "30 hour delay" on the 24th was them being busy with NijiFes
The delay between them telling Selen that they needed time to check ex-liver perms (9:30PM JST) and Selen releasing her cover without approval (10AM JST) was the manager sleeping.
After being busy with the biggest Nijisanji event of the year (which is 3 days long, btw), don't you think they deserve a full night of sleep?
>>71200226
Their in-person (not on a computer) responsibility for NijiFes is more important than something they would need to be sitting on a computer in order to do, yes.

>>71200357
Hostile at least, most likely the Bully. She was named on the document for a reason.

>>71200262
The only employees who would be available to do a check would be, what, their outfit artist team? They have absolutely 0 idea how the permissions check process works. Stop being a retard.

>>71200400
>Yeah and so what? She told people she could not host them for now, but then got the perms back, FUCKING EASY AGAIN TO FIGURE OUT.
So what you're saying is, Selen could have waited to get perms checked for the ex-livers, just like how she waited and got perms for international tournament events. WORKS BOTH WAYS

>>71200610
Artists made a storyboard, with the ex livers on it. Perm check happened then before anything major work started. You are also a flaming faggot.

>>71200474
If you know that you're gonna be held for a while you plan ahead. That's also how work goes which is why the manager apologized for the late response in the screenshots. He just fucked up. That MV was in the works for a long fucking time.
Incompetent. Dumbass.

>>71200550
no, their 3D modeler team should have stepped in to take on the tasks of EN managers, duh

>>71200724
Selen knew management was going to be held for a while (because she participated in NijiFes in the past herself), so she herself should have planned ahead.

>>71200550
I don't believe that for a second. The cover likely underwent countless checks when it was a work in progress, for months at that. There is no way that it was worked on for this long only for them to arbitrarily realize they broke some rule and go
>Whoops, sorry but it turns out I missed this one rule the whole time. Can't use ex-livers. Sorry but we won't compensate you for the 15k you wasted on it.
If not then the fault still lies with NijiEN for being so poorly run.

>>71200453
>but I just ignore her for now
I don't think she's streaming.

>>71200770
You don't know if she did. I just know the manager didn't because of the screenshots.

>>71200357
If she had nothing to do with it. She would not have mentioned herself, Millie and Enna being named in a document. She also would not vehemently defend herself on the blacked stream. The only reason she would go through all of that is if she had something to hide. Since she has not streamed for a month, we can only assume the JP side is holding something over her head and gave her a suspension. The message disparity between her stream and CEO's stream also does not make sense unless she is covering her tracks in advance.

>>71200816
No but I ignore her tweets and will just put off watching her content or getting my membership back until then is what I meant

>>71200877
>She would not have mentioned herself, Millie and Enna being named in a document
That's not what she said though, she said "the general area where I, Enna and Millie live"

>>71200357
The fact that a large amount of NijiEN hires are her friends from her indie days makes her at the very least look incredibly sketchy.

>>71200801
>I don't believe that for a second.
And yet you believe there is a rule that says "you can't exclude ex-livers", when everything we see points to that not being a rule. There have been ex-Livers included in MVs before and after Selen's cover, proving that to not be a rule. And no, requiring an extra check/approval does not mean "No you can't".

>>71198534
Why on earth would it take them time to see if ex-livers would be allowed or not? The company owns the rights to the characters, if not Japanese bureaucratic incompetence then it seems like they've had it out for her for a while now, considering she was not allowed to host tournaments for a period of time.

>>71200929
>she said "the general area where I, Enna and Millie live"
> herself, Millie and Enna being named in a document
Are you being ESL or 39 IQ? the information you mentioned still comes from the document Doki sent to JP lawyer. You literally said the same thing I said, but in different phrasing. It still holds the same meaning that these 3 were mentioned in the document, you fucking retard.

>>71200983
You have lost your point here many times now.
1) Fact that the timetable of any well planned project undoes your point of "Manager had to check the perms and he didnt have time for it"
2) Fact that she was vocal about lost perms (that she clearly gained afterwards) dont make her a lier

These are so fucking weak points to bring up it makes me wonder how fucking retarded you realy are.

>>71201112
No, the area where Elira, Enna and Millie is alluded, it doesn't say the three were named by name.

>>71201090
>if not Japanese bureaucratic incompetence
It's 99.9% likely to be that. But that doesn't mean it's OK for her to ignore the approval process and release it anyway.
>>71201173
Any well-planned project takes into account extra time that would be needed for unexpected or external factors that are not part of the project. Such as finding a bug in code that needs to be fixed, or finding a piece of art that needs to be re-worked, or needing to seek approval from someone who isn't bound to your project schedule.

It's funny because normally, I'd think Selen overreacted with the tournament perms, but with everything that happened after she got terminated, it says more about the company comms being shit than her not being charitable to her coworkers or being stupid
do a shit job, get shit results
it ain't that deep, niji

>>71201301
You think you're attacking Doki by making this claim, but you're actually attacking Elira. If the documents only mentioned the area, but not names, then Elira fucking lied and made a complete non-sequitur in the blacked stream by claiming that Doki planned to doxx them.

>>71201484
Or, we've seen her over-react once before, so we can't put it past her for this to be yet another over-reaction.

>>71201543
I have no desire to attack Doki. Elira also said it includes information of several livers, but never disclosed any names. Also Elira and Doki live in the same city.
Also I don't believe she's seen the documents, she was reading the script.

>>71201468
>or needing to seek approval from someone who isn't bound to your project schedule.
You are so fucking dense, there are statements from the artist that did work on the said MV that the storyboard was POSTED TO THE MANAGERS way ahead of time. How the fuck do you think that the real permission check occurs at the last 40h time window of deadline? Not even the esl 8d/h just grad managers make shit like that up.