/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Point and laugh

>>71106428
SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL

negligible gains.

I already collected my profits on anycolor, now if only cover could go up for even a single day

>>71106626
forget it.
unlike kurosanji, cover not bothered at all to manipulate their stock price

>>71106428
KEEP BUYING! You'll be fine! ANYCOLOR is going to the moon!

>>71106428
>Going down already
>They didn't even wait for Petra's 3D before starting to sell again
This doesn't look good

>>71106626
Just wait for the fes.

>>71106428
BUY HIGH SELL LOW!!!!!!!

>>71106988
>Petra's 3D
The D stands for Down.

>>71106988
>Petra's 3D
Can't wait to compare Niji's shitty old 3D to Covers shiny new one.

>>71106428
It pump AND dump. Pump is over, you're in dump phase.

>>71107859
we're talking about stocks or Elira?

>>71107937
Porque No Los Dos?

>>71106428
just buy low sell high

>pump the stock
>announce petra and rosemi's 3D debuts ahead of the shareholders' meeting
>down already

>>71106428
>The pump
https://youtu.be/eWjS424YN_k?si=1Qnkzccbpg9gKuT4

Riku has to explain to shareholders
>why EN is persona non grata to its main demographic
>why he fired someone who is now one of biggest names in western vtubing
>why she wasn't as successful under his company
>why his lawyers can't handle something as simple as sending out NDAs
>why his employees preempted his apology with a message that both ruined his attempt at damage control and opened them up to more liability
>why his contracts are unenforceable garbage
>why his lawyers are using his signature "without permission"
And those are just the concrete facts. Not even getting into the alleged struggle sessions that Anycolor has performed on talents and artists alike. Nor the termination notice likely breaking Japanese defamation law. Nor that the west is now openly mocking Anycolor's business practices; bringing shame to Japanese society and it's legal structure in the process. If you want to buy the dip, wait a few more days. It can go so much lower.

>>71109118
The audience he'll be speaking to is in their 50s.
>why EN is persona non grata to its main demographic
They don't know that, they just know numbers went down.
>why he fired someone who is now one of biggest names in western vtubing
No way any of them know Doki's CCV/subcount
>why she wasn't as successful under his company
Again, they don't know that. They use youtube to watch recordings of 80s concerts.
>why his employees preempted his apology with a message that both ruined his attempt at damage control and opened them up to more liability
Again, I don't think they know the details of the stream, they just know it didn't help the numbers go up.
>why his lawyers can't handle something as simple as sending out NDAs
>why his contracts are unenforceable garbage
>why his lawyers are using his signature "without permission"
That's still locked in the youtube sphere, I don't think most of them would know. The people who he'll talk to simply don't follow Vtuber drama, it's just one asset among many.

>>71109118
Unfortunately, we need to work harder to make it trend in Japan before they can actually learn about it.

>>71109367
why would you invest in a company and not read news about it after a big scandal that causes the stock to drop

>>71109840
you give investors too much credit. There are dozens of instances of investors bankrolling scam companies that have literally no product at all bc they never researched anything themselves

>>71109840
Most people with money are retards. I personally think # has a better understanding of the company's situation than people with millions in Anycolor's stock.

>>71106428
>open up margin trading
>next week it's almost back to pre-margin numbers
UUUMbros are feeling the PTSD as we speak.

>>71109840
The news they read isn't deliver by Depressed Nousagi, that shit at most talked about a firing of a talent.

>>71110072
Is there a way to check if Riku dumped the stock?

>>71110073
A Japanese news website apparently contacted that lawyer for an interview. So the word is spreading, just slowly.

>>71106428
The numbers will go up when they dismantle the EN branch

>>71109840
>big scandal
You wish dookibirds. It was a negligible nothingburger.

>>71109118
Riku doesn't have to explain jackshit, having almost half the total shares himself - what we need to look out for is what the remaining big shareholders have to say:

Sony - as they're dropping Prism, they might also go try to drop this and convince other shareholders to go with them
Tokio Marine - the yacht company, they might repo those boats boss
Yuzuru Honda - adnetwork piece of shit, could also pull out if brands endorsements don't translate to sales

>>71110017
>>71110025
You give pre-loan investors far too little credit. I'm not going to say they care or know about each little detail, investors are still sociopaths who can barely be defined as people by default afterall, but it was still a stock they invested into rather than one they're simply using as colleterial. Simply looking it up on Google or seeing the dip is pretty much a requirement as a daily log-in bonus.

>>71110188
CEO apologizes to shareholders = scandal

>>71110208
>the yacht company
What the actual fuck.

>>71110208
>a yacht company is the next biggest shareholder in Anycolor
>next to fucking Sony
>who've been working with niji for 4 years now
the joke writes itself

>>71110261
Riku probably paid for his yacht with shares lol

>>71110246
>>71110261
It's a funny bit, but Tokio Marine is actually an insurance conglomerate.

>>71110188
Sister-san... Riku bowed. The CEO did a deep (shitty) bow for five full seconds. To fucking western mongoloids.

>>71110188
Literally every single time in history where a CEO ever has to apologize publicly is by definition a scandal.

>>71110246
Lol you thought all that "sink the yacht" stuff was merely a joke about Riku being a young billionaire?

>>71109367
Do you think that none of them have advisors and their own info sources?
They don't need to watch YT or jack shit, someone gets paid to put papers in front of them explaining entire situation.

>>71110321
>his yacht insurance company is investing back into his company
that's even worse

>>71106626
Cover's is unlikely to go up regardless of how well they do, because they bluntly shot down any suggestions that they should pay talents less or pay shareholders more in every one of their investor calls so far. The company was already overvalued and you're not even getting any of the money so why buy it

>>71110120
He is considered a "large shareholder" under Japanese law and is required to make a Large Shareholding Report or Report of Possession of Large Volume public. Here's a FAQ from the Japanese website in English.
https://www.fsa.go.jp/en/laws_regulations/faq_on_fiea/section05.html
You can find them here. Anycolor's stock code is 5032.
https://disclosure2.edinet-fsa.go.jp/WEEK0020.aspx
FYI, I already checked, the last people who had to file changes to their holdings wasn't Riku, it was an institutional investor, Sumitomo Group and was on January 9th/10th, after Pomu announced she was graduating but before Selen's fiasco. It was probably a scheduled thing that had nothing to do with anything.

>>71109118
>>why his lawyers are using his signature "without permission"
Did I miss something?

>>71110330
It's no a dogeza. Therefore it's a nothingburger.

>>71110598
They sent a threatening letter to an artist with the CEO's stamp on it. When this was made public they said the stamp was used without permission, which in the JP business world is an unthinkable fuckup

>>71110598
oh man, you missed a whole yab. Basically one of ANYCOLOR's partner companies refused to pay an artist and through the contract forced her to basically sit in on reeducation bullshit while lawyers screamed at her for hours regularly, at one point making her write out her flaws and read it out loud to people. Eventually she got hospitalized and she STILL was forced to listen to that shit, and tried to sue for being shitheads. They gave her the runaround and then settled for half of what they were supposed to pay her originally because she just wanted it all to end. ANYCOLOR was used to bully the fuck out of her out of suing the first time, using contracts that were signed by Riku, but Riku actually had no idea about them, meaning the signature was forged.

>>71106626
Sorry, the profit is for the talent and staff instead of leeches.

>>71110598
It was recently found out through the case of a Japanese artist getting harassed by Anycolor that the papers served by the rainbow company's lawyers used the president's stamp/seal. I forget the specifics but the implication of something about its presence in the documents was that the lawyers were just using Riku's seal of approval without actually asking him to sign off on it.

>>71110598
This other black company, called Unicreate, was refusing to pay an artist. She ended up having to go to city hall to get it sorted out. Unicreate ran to Anycolor and told them that she was leaking their information. Anycolor lawyers sent her a threatening legal letter, signed by Riku, telling her to stop doing it. Without ever having any proof she did so to begin with. When called out on it, the lawyers backtracked and said they used Riku's signature without his permission. It sounds stupid here, but in Japan it's a massive yab.

>>71106428
BUY THE DIP BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY

>>71110496
This is a key part of the discussions about stonks.
Cover outright refused to pay their vtubers less or give them less support, which is fucking retarded from a stock-only standpoint compared to Anykara where they've never taken an explicit stance on that or otherwise just give empty affirmations to stockbros. The problem is they made 2 very big empty affirmations in saying VTA and EN will be just as if not more important than JP for investors.
>1. VTA will grow us talents on the level of our top earners
>the entire group combined isn't even 1 Kuzuha
>internal scandal (read: realizing its better to cut costs) killed almost three entire batches of applicants

>2. EN will be our successful foreign venture expansion and lead to nigh-endless growth
>from the market that cannot be as tapped as the Japanese one
>Luxiem sunk hard causing their yearly projections to fall
>plus the Selen stockreport causing an "indeterminable amount of fear from paypigs"

tl;dr Anykara promised specific degrees of massive revenue growth and neither of them have proven to be even remotely consistent.

>>71110745
Does that sound stupid here? What is essentially forgery sounds like a pretty reasonable thing to be concerned about.

>>71106428
Now I can buy more for cheap

>>71110689
>>71110693
>>71110727
>>71110745
Oh yeah I did see those threads pop up but I skimmed over them because it seemed like Unicreate was the main perpetrator and Anycolor acted on the info received by their partner "in good faith". That might've been before the lawyers/stamp thing.
In the west we've had memes/jokes on TV series with bosses mass-stamping papers without even looking at them for decades so it's nothing crazy, but you'd think they'd at least send the papers to his office instead of just stamping them themselves.

>>71109118
>And those are just the concrete facts

>>71110917
I personally skipped over almost all of it since every single mention of it was by one ESL linking his reddit threads here. Don't blame you.

>>71110917
The thing is, a practice like this isn't really all that bad as long as-

1. The person you need to get approval from already did so verbally, you just needed to use it for them because they can't do it themselves for some reason.

2. NO ONE FINDS OUT

It isn't really out of place for people to be doing this sort of thing but for serious things like legal, there's probably a letter of authorization of some sort to let people do this kind of thing. I think...?

>>71109118
>And those are just the concrete facts.
The only thing I wanna clear up is these two
>why his employees preempted his apology with a message that both ruined his attempt at damage control and opened them up to more liability
They didn't pre-empt him, they explicitly had permission from Anycolor to do it. The 'whys' you should be asking is 'why did he approve of using the seiyuu's as a defense' which will only be a problem if an investor specifically asked, and 'why did they admit to irrelevant parties seeing closed legal documents' which implies that they'd have seen Selen's statement. Which they haven't. Anycolor never claimed it was a sealed document thus it's a non-issue to them.
>why his contracts are unenforceable garbage
To japstockfags, this will at best just be seen as an EN contract and unless it's been translated back in full to Japanese with a citation that it was originally in Japanese, it won't matter. And that's assuming they even believe it's real despite the fact that multiple sources including a literal former employee is confirming it.

>>71111103
>They didn't pre-empt him, they explicitly had permission from Anycolor to do it.
Did we get any form of confirmation on that?

>>71109367
The problem with this line of thinking is, there are already rumours floating around that NijiEN metrics could be down as much as 50% and this is before the most Selen/Doki shitshow started. Investors will be at the very least looking at Covers financials and metrics from their most recent report and saying - "Explain why your major competitor seems to be making an EN and ID branch work and making a lot of money?"
Sucking at PR is one thing, but sucking at making money is a completely different story to investors and pisses them off.

>>71111103
I have no opinion on the veracity of the contract the lawyer guy showed, but I think it was missing the usual disclaimer found on translated contracts (saying if there's any discrepancies the JP version prevails), so if it was real the English text would be what applied.

>>71111262
Only the words of the people in the video. So nothing that can be taken as fact.

>>71106428
The worse thing possible happened, aka the Nikkei stopped growing and crashed 2 whole points. Which is completely fine if you are healthy, but a title thst was trying to pump trough speculations?
It didn’t even get where it was suppose to be to cushion the buyback, and now those losses may become liquidity debt if not sold.
Riku better present the best Q3 in history, but keep in mind these sellers are already expecting that, while Q4 predictions are already screaming “fallout”.
>>71109367
>Shareholders don’t know EN
The shareholders are 50s, not morons. They know EN is a deadball and DO care because “growth” is the keyword. This can be literally read on their comments.
>Doki’s termination
Again, they do know it was a PR disaster and blame the managers, why the fuck you think the title dropped in the first place? They deem the company incompetent. Riku will have go explain, he himself already blamed management in a video they DID see, he will have to show the changes. Him writing “negligible” and then all of them losing money is making them mad, I assure you.
Investors are not monkeys, they do follow the news. They just only care about their bottom line, and this whole deal affected growth, trust and their pocket.
If this wasn’t true, then we wouldn’t be so close to 3000. Stop monkey braining if you don’t want to study finances.

>>71111262
It is literally the first minute of the video where they say Anycolor has another statement coming from the CEO too.

>>71111382
I was skeptical of the contract template until Sayu revealed her unsigned silencing agreement. It made direct references to specific articles in that template. It's still not 100% rock solid evidence, but it's good enough for me. Short of existing talents breaking NDA, and admitting that this is their contract, this is the best we are going to get.

>>71111548
Don’t make assumptions to think both know what each other were saying. In business, Riku simply told then “let’s release a joint statement to parry the blow”. The two videos are directly contradictory, and Riku’s ine was greatly edited. He professionally admitted it was a mismanagement of the situation and that he would avoid future problems. His video alone would have ended this a month ago.
Why do you think he has everyone on deck in Japan? He’s keeping an eye because someone royally fucked up and he’s pissed off, so from now on he took things under his personal watch.

>>71111679
Both Roa and Chihiro also confirm the clause where Anycolor will refuse to legally represent them, both for internal disputes and external ones respectively.

>>71111724
>Don’t make assumptions to think both know what each other were saying.
I'm not making assumptions, I'm telling you what was said. For the exact quote.
>To preface, we have discussed with Anycolor staff and our legal team about what we are able to say.
>Additionally, we've been told that there will also be a video releasing regarding the situation from Tazumi-san directly in a few hours following this stream.

>>71106626
>>71110496
>>71110725
So you're saying I should short Cover?
Where should I place it?

There's no way Riku is surviving this year as the CEO.

>>71111935
Riku getting a golden parachute and EN being rebranded are the most likely outcomes of this mess.

>>71111935
see >>71110208

>>71111935
He can. Blast a manager. Doki blamed management too, he blamed management.
Then the talents can say the statement was manipulated by the manager and had no right to speak against it due to contract, and all this time the company made an internal inquiry.
Give Doki good luck and goodbye as neutral as possible, and DONE.

It’s tgat fucking simple,I’m not even joking. I can’t believe they don’t have a fucking scapegoat for these problems.

>>71111928
If you have to ask then no, you shouldn't be shorting anything, especially a company that's actually healthy but just isn't paying dividends.

>>71112009
Sure, no one can kick him out, but that doesn't mean that staying will do him any good. He has become a meme in Japan.
>>71112105
It's way too late to do that. The black frame stream is still up and no one has been fired.

>>71112105
Then that EN scapegoat go leaked everything they know since they spiteful and salty

>>71112105
Riku blamed management and miscommunication for the negligible claim, nothing else.

>>71112182
Does being a meme somehow make him worth less than almost 600million yen and holding over 40% of the companies shares?
Let me be clear: he's a faggot. But he's a faggot with all the power in this scenario right now. Even if he decides to jump ship, who're those shares going to?

>>71112105
Management is utterly rotten, but that's still Riku's responsibility. How did this happen? How has this been going on for so long? What has Riku been doing this entire time and how has he not noticed?

The CEO gets money if things go well, and they take responsibility if things go poorly. It's long past time for Riku to take responsibility but he's a trust fun kid with no actual skills beside 'put money down'.

>>71112238
Watch the video again, he pretty much blamed them for also not talking care of the livers. If not them, he was referring to himself, and you don’t fucking do that, EVER, it would be asking for easy ass lawsuits.
That’s what management is for when a fuck up happens. Important enough to shoulder the blame, but they are not you so you can deflect lawsuits to them.

>>71111935
He owns 42% of the shares plus another 2% in a holding company. There's no practical way to get rid of him.

>>71112342
Anon, he can keep his shares and just give the CEO position to someone else.

>>71112342
He becomes a majority shareholder but not CEO. Being majority shareholder does not mean he HAS to CEO. Those are 2 different things.

>>71112440
And that would change...?

>>71112342
True, being a meme doesn’t matter if he jumps ship. He can clean the stain easily, rich people never gets the blame for too long.
But staying? While your direct opposition is a CEO who literally plays with their idols and it’s so beloved? It’s the biggest PR debuff I can think off. Eventually japanese satire will catch up and your entire company suffers because no one wants to be memed with you.

>>71112182
Not quite yet - you see, there's still a relatively unexplored dimension to all of this:
>coercing harassment and silence through contracts
>thuggish behavior of the company and its allies against individuals
>reneging on public expectations (no refunds)
these are the hallmarks of a cult - in particular, a New Religion cult (新興宗教). Honestly, the PSIA should get involved, however tenuous the connection is - all that's needed is that connection to Happy Science or Aum Shinrikyo.

>>71112467
Who to blame and who takes charge of cleaning the fuckup. He will be an hands off owner.

>>71112383
That was still related to the negligible claim, the whole apologize was to reasure the investors that they are going to take better care of what makes money to the company.
He couldn't care any less about Doki.

>>71112467
Offering his own head would be a sign that he is willing to take responsibility for his actions.

>>71112383
He didn't.

He regretted about how he didn't communicate well enough in English. That's what he apologized for. He didn't apologize for any of what had happened. He only apologized for how it was not communicated to his liking.

>>71107418
Okay anon, thanks! This seems like a sound financial advice that in no way shape or form will be added to the long list of bad financial decisions!

>>71109367
The part about NDAs is already known on Twitter because it came from artists who worked with Selen.

>>71112105
He can blame management for everything if he want, he can blame anyone, but since he's the head of the company is still he's fault. Also it has been two months to do something and he didn't, head didn't roll, no apology to the victims, nothing that people can see of the company changes.
So Riku Tazumi aka The Devil, can't escape at this point, he can't sell, he can only pray or kill himself to save this company, or expose the bullies and terminated them the same way they did for Sayu and Selen

>>71112467
He's removed from being the front facing representative of the company. Board appoints a new CEO. New leadership = new direction (in theory). He is removed from the decision making process other than in investor meetings, he basically has the rights of a person with 1 share in the company. He will still have major say due to his 44% but key operational decision making will bypass him.

>>71110817
That's why I hate stocks and shareholders. The only way to play is by being the edgiest fucking asshole that you can be.

>>71112624
Technically untrue.

They made statements.

Just really shitty ones, but they are statements.

>Your company is on fire
>Riku goes on vacations
He is completely checked out

>>71110496
Well, now they can point to their competitor’s problems and say “this is why” next time they get asked.

>>71112684
To be fair, Anycolor's whole strategy so far has been pretending that everything is OK and to ignore every single yab. I'm 100% sure Riku wants to bullshit his way through the shareholders' meeting

what happens if just one of the 4-5oddpercent shareholders wants to sell but nobody wants to buy that stuff? does the stockprice just drop? neither anycolour nor riku can buy more, the board + riku are close to owning 75%, theyd get delisted. So what happens?

>>71112684
He’s not on vacation. There is a JP event going on there and he’s publicizing it.
It just proves how either he’s tone-deaf or has given the fuck up on EN marketing.

>>71112399
It's not a matter of forcing him out. He probably WANTS out before his shares depreciate in value any further. Remember this is a guy who, by his own admission, focuses on short term gains and trend-hops from one thing to the next. He already had 4 failed companies under his belt at the age of 23. He's not in it for the long haul. He's not an astute businessman playing 5D chess, he's a trust fund baby who got lucky on his 5th try. And it shows in how he fails to manage his employees.

Reminder that Riku is a business school dropout. He literally doesn't have any idea of what he is doing.

>>71112785
The price is the price at which the latest share was sold at. If everyone wanted to sell and not a single person bought, the price wouldn't move. This of course doesn't ever happen in reality, there's always someone or some algorithm willing to buy

>>71112785
The stocks are on loan shares right now. It means if sold, the company has to pay liquidity for them no matter what, that’s why these are usually made for pump and dump, create an huge liquidity buff from price and then all toghether sell down and make liquidity.
That’s why these shares usually go straight up, but these BARELY did and now the Nikkei debuff has curbstomped them. We might see another up but if they go down again you will see Riku act asap to save the company or jump the fuck out. If they go below the price the loan share started, it will literally be debt for him and due to the speculation it may even end into forced liquidation.
Riku is not gonna lose JP for EN. If it has to hang all of them to save the company, he will. Or more likely he will pass the ball to someone else.

>>71112847
This. He's probably just expecting to get bought out. And don't misunderstand, they CAN force him out, quite easily, if they can substantially prove he's not capable of performing his role, for example if he doesn't actually have a strategy for getting out of this hole he dug himself into. This isn't a TV show or anime. Holding a majority share doesn't mean you can just do whatever the fuck you want and have no accountability to your other shareholders.

>>71112361
>and they take responsibility if things go poorly
Barring actual criminal behavior, they just ditch and leave their successor holding the bag. That Riku hasn’t done so yet shows his inexperience and incompetence.

>>71112105
Unfortunately that time has passed. If they know about the Doki situation, they know about the rest of the fuckups. It will need more than 1 low level sacrificial pawn. It will need to be a few higher ups as well. Department heads/Senior management etc. And once you start doing that then investors get even more nervous.

>>71112929
A business school dropout with FOUR FAILED BUSINESSES.
By the age of 21!

>>71112955
They don't really have a lot of options left to artificially inflate their shares. What can they still do? Announce big projects? Major releases? Partnerships? Do they even have any and how much faith do investors have in any of that actually paying off?

>>71113034
Only saved by his Sony dad.

>>71112929
Bill Gates is a drop out and he didn't have that problem.

I'm retarded, explain to me what's happening on Dragon Ball terms.

>>71109367
Anon, that they're fossils doesn't mean they can't afford to have a secretary to do the basic research and give them the bullet points.

>>71113094
Season 1 Goku just ran out of senzu beans and his keio ken just expired. He's out of powerups and the big bad investor's about to run him over.

>>71112997
Nah he's probably out before the month is over. He's been preparing to jump since last year. From the outside it really looks like the plan was
>Stock buyback to bump the value and hold a large part of the stock
>Switch to loan trading to increase the volume of trading on the now more limited stock, further inflating the value
>Release the stock you're holding at a very bloated value and make bank
>Bail the fuck out
They're currently still hoping to pump from step 2 and it's not really going well so far, but I doubt Riku would still delay his departure at this point, the company isn't going to go up in the long term as they've done basically no investment in 2023.

I fully expect him to announce his departure at the meeting (or perhaps just hope to be bought out there) because not doing so at this point would be unbelievably stupid.

>>71113093
Not every dropout is Bill Gates.

>>71113070
The best way would be a buyback, but in loan shares it would literally mean burnung money to save the company and they can’t due to the fact they didna buyback already and haven’t solved it yet.
The only saving grace is that right now is Riku losing money, NOT the investors. It’s not down enough for that to happen, so the pump may resume. But it’s a big MAY because trust is gone.
He’s running out of ammo. This loan share was literally because if he didn’t do it he would have lost the company to the 3000 margin.

All over not just saying sorry once. Fucking life lesson for you all here, coping and seething can kill you.

>>71113094
You remember when Mr Satan had to convince the people of earth to give Goku their energy for a Spirit Bomb since they thought it was hopeless up until the true hero of Earth backed him? It's basically like that, except the people thought
>huh? he's hanging onto that for far too long
and decided to pull back their energy. As it gets noticably smaller more people are going to do it too.

>>71113225
Who is Yajirobe in this metaphor?

>>71113301
Millie probably.

>>71113251
This. I completely agree. Q4 predictions are already out and they scream recession. Whoever wants to sit in that CEO chair for the next three months, they better be ready to lose A LOT of money or lose the company.

>>71113093
Bill Gates was at least an expert in his field. And he started out with small Microsoft not corporate overlord Microsoft. Meaning his management fuckups were on a smaller scale and by the time MS was dominant he had figured it out.

>>71113251
Problem with bailing out in this situation is - who the fuck wants to buy that much Anycolor stock? You can't just snap your fingers and turn stock into money, there needs to be someone willing to buy.

>>71113462
It will happen. EN is a mess but JP is profitable despite all problems. It’s still a positive revenue company once someone heavily invests into it.
It will not liquidate, as much as that would cause a fucking war on this board as soon as Pomu, Selen, Elira, Rosemi and Vox assets are bid out.

>>71112642
The stock market is designed to reward sociopathy.

>>71113276
>All over not just saying sorry once. Fucking life lesson for you all here, coping and seething can kill you.
Nah, these issues have been building for some time now. AnyColor's reputation is but a small piece of the larger problems it has as a business. No growth or investment in 2023 was always hanging over them, that's why they're messing with stocks instead, because they don't think the company has a future, they didn't build it to.

The reputation is a problem now because their stock stunting plan kind of depended on their reputation remaining pristine, and now it's quite the opposite but the company was always set to crumble in the long term.

I can actually buy this as the reason they were jumping the gun so badly around Selen's termination, it was always going to impact their reputation so they wanted to deal with it swiftly and thoroughly.
>Big ass list of reasons why Selen was fired
"It's not our fault! See all this bullshit why!" (please don't notice we're the cause of all these issues and this was our responsibility)
>Investor notice calling the whole thing 'negligible'
"It's fine, nothing to worry about, keep pumping the stocks fellas, just pretend nothing happened, we're sending you a specific notice to tell you nothing happened..."
>Black stream
"We need to double down on discrediting Selen so our reputation isn't affected, if they don't believe her we'll come off fine, throw some talents under the bus to draw attention away from the company for good measure, we just need to buy more time and these immoral retards will do anything for money"

So yeah it's just incompetence at every level because they don't actually know how to run a business, Nijisanji was run like a franchise and the actual degree of proficiency, skill and expertise on the ground is pitifully low.

>>71112642
They may be even here, it’s all anonymous trough sharing companies and programs.
The game is to be rich quick and anonymous. Just look at 4chan, and now imagine shitposting could actually earn you cash. And there you have it.

>>71113462
Sony is a possibility. I think they own 8-10% already? That means they only really have to buy 1/2 of Riku's shares to gain controlling interest. They've been trying to get in on the vtuber scene for a while but also keep fucking it up see: Prism

>>71113620
And destroy real economy

>>71113726
Sony does not want to buy that much stock, the reason why their failed attempts into the vtuber scene are failed is because they explicitly do not want to pump too much money into it.

>>71110246
Using stocks as loan collateral.

>>71113325
Yajirobe actually saved the day though, couldn't be Millie, she seems more like a Chiao tzu.

>>71113726
>Sony
>Prism
If they wanted to invest, they would have invested in their own far more cleaner attempt to do it. Sony just owns shares because Anykuro was good.

>>71113462
That's currently a bit of an issue yeah, they were hoping to jump before they caught too much attention and instead they got a massive scandal the month before they hoped to sell off.

Still that makes Riku's best bet just offering to sell his shares to the rest of the board so they can replace him, basically 'taking responsibility' that way. Niji still makes decent profits just being on life support so older (inexperienced) investors with less inclination to grow investments and just sit on a steady revenue stream might still be fooled.

>>71113711
Oh don’t take me wrong, they would still be into shit, Selen was an hit streamer and they also recently lost Pomu. But they turned a punch into a full 90% damage combo over not letting her out neutral and with an NDA. They were dying, but not saying sorry speedrun it.

>>71113756
At some point they're either going have to go and do it right or just fuck right off. They can't keep fucking around because every time they half ass it they lose money. The fact Prism girls couldn't play Sony games despite being owned by Sony still blows my mind

>>71113822
>Sony just owns shares because Anykuro was good.
No, Sony owns shares because they've had ties with them for years.

i dont want riku to retired from niji ceo anytime soon.
i want niji died in his own hand

>>71113889
It would give the company only 3 more months of life. Q4 is not salvageable without investment into damage control.

>>71113988
It’s not gonna happen. Liquidation would only happen if the company fails to notice a total crash and acts too late going into debt.
But if it happens, this board will be hell on earth. People accusing others left and right, livers assets sold into bidding, and absolute petty doxxing assured.

>>71113935
Yea and that's exactly what proves a lack of proficiency in regards to management. They figured it worked with Zaion and some of their prior 'mutual' graduations had been chipping at their reputation after departing. Both Nina and Myste have been very critical of their past employment situation as Matara and Kuro. Selen was already involved in drama around her MV and they needed to push all responsibility for that on her, they painted themselves into a corner with that one, and it really begs the question of why the fuck did they do that in the first place?? Just let your big EN star post her heartwarming MV on Christmas what the fuck were they thinking?!

End of the day Niji is thoroughly incompetent on every front and it's incredibly difficult to believe there wasn't actual legit malice toward Selen as well.

>>71113822
>>71113756
maybe you anons didnt know... but last week there was a time when Anycolor stock was almost dropping below 3000, suddenly Sony bought millions of shares to bump up the price....

Even if Sony is not willing to buy Niji, they definitely donot want to let go of their investment

>>71106988
It will be a 3D graduation stream.
Nijisanji creating trends!

>>71114205
They can still choose to dump their shares now that the stock has been rising a bit, assuming there's any buyers.

>>71114120
i said died but what i actually mean i want jp main branch to experiencing a big mess similar to selen situation.
losing trust of fans and massive unsubs happening

>>71113994
I know q4 will be basically Chernobyl for EN. But is that the same case for NijiJP? I know Kuzuha is doing a lot of the heavy lifting but is the rest of JP that bad of a shape?

>>71114201
>why the fuck did they do that in the first place??
They ruined Zaion's reputation and it worked with sisters backing them up, so they did the same with Selen and thought the result would be negligible. Turns out they are totally wrong and now not even the sisters can help them

>>71114438
If they survive Q3 then it will give them a chance to idk release a new branch to show in Q4....
Problem is not that Anycolor is going to down, its that they are living quarter by quarter so sure they might survive longer than anyone expect but it sure is a slow painful death

>>71113093
Isn't he a lawyer drop-out?

>>71114438
I think the JPs are fine with their new golden member Salome. As long as Kuzuha, Mito, Salome and other 5view members stay and thrive, NijiJP will be fine for at least next 2 years

>>71114440
I get what they were trying to do, it still makes no sense why they were doing something so dramatic right before they started playing with stocks. Literally just ignore that shit and put Selen on the graduation queue or something, taking down that MV is pointless controversy that can only go neutral at best or horribly wrong.

>>71114570
>a new branch
Where? Fucking Antarctica?

>>71114438
jp is fine i think.
the main problem is en.
kurosanji stock decreasing 600 ¥ last quarter just because en revenue declining 15% yoy despite jp inclining.
now imagine how much decline en revenue this quarter.
for reference, last year revenue is the highest revenue for en branch. im predicting 40% decline this year.

>>71114675
It wouldn't be the worst idea to do NijiEU as pure marketing BS. Yes that overlaps with their EN branch but the timezone and cultural appeal is still pretty open.

>>71114438
They are the same company on the stock market. JP gains but it’s saturated and in stagnation. It survives, not thriving.
EN is the last place where growth should have come from, and growth is what makes the shareholders come.
To save the company, you need to clean the management shitstain to regain the trust and add investment to it to rebuild it.
All if this will be an huge net loss with gains probably coming next Q3. If Riku cared that much, he would have done it all this time.

>>71114671
You forgot the fact from Doki that she got terminated right after her lawyer sent a lawsuit over Niji HQ

They saw that there was no point in saving a member that was trying to sue their ass so they tried to take a step ahead by attacking her first and used their massive corpo status to scare her off

>>71111103
>they explicitly had permission from Anycolor to do it.
They had permission from management. Elira was the head manager at the time.
Connect the dots.

>>71114766
>Niji Contract
>EU Laws
I mean I'd like to see it for a laugh

>>71114695
Is JP really fine though? When was the last time someone hit the 1mil milestone? What metric can they point to that shows it isn't stagnant at best?

>>71114671
That's what really lends credence to the harassment claims. These aren't the actions of someone thinking rationally. It can only be explained by spite. They cut off their nose to spite their face.

>>71114695
JP is entirely stagnant, that's not 'fine' in the business world.

>>71114671
They had grounds to fire her - the whole reupload thing is grounds for termination and no-one would've really kicked up a fuss. Had they left it at that and had a clean professional break up it would've been fine. It's the rest of it that pissed most people off - the Notice of Termination, the blackbox stream, Negligible, the sisters and their rentry docs, Uki being retarded, Contract leaks, Yikes! Have we even gone 3 business days since Doki got fired that Niji hasn't fucked up?

>>71114803
Hi nijisis, please refer to “you are a moron” book, page 46, on “there was no lawsuit”. Don’t bother shitpost us again with your unproven, unbased nonsense.
We are talking real shit here, not entertaining your little seamonkey brain.

>Suddenly everyone /here/ is a business expert
I'm going to laugh my ass off when the shareholders' meeting comes and goes and Riku gets away scot free

>>71114890
She wanted to leave neutral and that would have been best for both. They could had her sign an NDA to not reveal her medical files and she would have done it.
They didn’t want to look like they were bleeding badly, Pomu was a recent loss, when they realized she had ammo they went full smearing campaign cuz it worked on Sayu.
The backfire is currently legendary.

>>71114910
It’s called educating yourself. Yoy can go on yahoo jp and read the comments. They are all about stuff we are talking about.

>>71106428
Wow, that sucks.
Anway...

>>71114841
>EU laws
It's not the laws themselves that are a problem, contracts exist to mess with legality and are breaking laws 90% of the time if they can get away with it. Uber got away with pretending to not have employees for years even in the EU and it took quite some time before the courts determined that the people who worked with Uber were in fact employees. Uber made absolute bank in the interim.

The bigger issue is that in the EU your company will receive absolutely massive fines if they do break the rules, in addition EU residents are much more protected as you rarely have to pay for your own lawyer in civil disputes against a company, loser pays. There's a large number of social safety nets that people living there can use to afford a lawyer. The main barrier to suing in the EU is whether or not the accused could even pay you what they owe you, rather than 'lawyer is too expensive to be worth it'.

All that aside, Niji does have talents in the EU already, so it's not as if they couldn't.

>>71114890
And now there's the whole "Scarle being harassed over Starbucks" thing, which has absolutely nothing to do with the whole Doki situation but literally every NijiEN yab from now till the end of time is going to be compared to that. Every time someone fucks up in that company full of fuckups, it's going to bring the "Anycolor is a black company" discourse back into the public consciousness—either someone will mention how the livers don't stand up for each other, or a member of the clique is involved, or how punishment is unequally distributed, or something relevant to the Doki situation, so the wound will never, ever have a chance to heal. They have no IDEA how bad they fucked this up.

>>71115113
Yes, bt they are brainless morons. EU has unions, never forget that. If your livers start to unionize, that’s when the fun will be

>Anycolor turned her metaphorical wife into a whore for nothing

>>71114890
> no-one would've really kicked up a fuss.
Oh they would. There was already somewhat of a frenzy over it and Selen's disappearance, #whereisSelen getting as much attention as it did doesn't really come up a lot in conversations on this whole mess but it's the match that lit the fuse for the shoddy termination notice and everything that came after. They had to get the word out fast and Selen wasn't giving them what they wanted (they repeatedly approached her for a statement and she refused, demanding to be let go instead)

The MV situation was fucked up, people knew it was fucked up and talked about how it was fucked up, there were a lot of questions how this happened and while they probably hoped these questions would be aimed at Selen, they didn't count on the fact that Selen wouldn't play ball anymore and would just leave them holding the bag on this huge question of "what the fuck happened with the MV?" and the fact that Selen herself was obviously distraught over it. (going as far as telling people to basically 'steal' the MV instead of letting it go to waste)

>>71115168
That’s why shutting up works only if you are on neutral. Not doing anything while falling already will only cause gravity to help the plummet. Eventually you have to move.

Their best strategy was to take an L and restart from there, or scapegoat someone.

>>71114675
Another SEA country, they just need to show expansion and some countries like Vietname, Phillipines still donot hate Niji as much

>>71115240
Imagine you can only hide Union Vtuber and they keep their avatar.
Damn EU Vtuber looks bad for Corpo

>>71114205
>suddenly Sony bought millions of shares to bump up the price
Proof? I saw a theory about it on Yahoo but that's it.

>>71115393
It was on 22nd feb, the sudden bump can only be cause by institutional buyback.... also someone reported that Sony equity increased a small bit

I dont have the proof so you can choose to not believe

>>71115310
Ne er forget Doki had tried to leave neutral so many fucking times, especially after the black video, by saying to not blame the livers. My guess is that there are still some people she think are good apples and didn’t want it to get to this point. Sadly it was taken out of her hands when Niji let their bad ones keep yapping.
Never forget Uki deserves all the hate for falling to the eaisest bait possible. Never forget thry set themselves up with Sayu vindicated. Never forget they self-suspended themselves over allost 2 months for this.

>>71114205
Not Sony, their shares are listed and they were not going over 5%, but definitely Riku called a favor.
Sony is not doing well enough to buy off Anycolor and shoulder the loss. They would maybe help but not taking a bullet for him.

>>71115360
There are plenty of EUtubers. Just do normal contracts and not something that they can bring to a lawyer.

>>71115333
>NijiEN literally sent to Vietnam to survive
Well, the women will be out asap if that happens. So still a win for me.

>>71115746
>do a normal contract
You know we're talkign about NijiSanji right?

>>71112684

>>71113070
They announced that Project Sekai collaboration event stream on March 17 and they’re throwing out EN 3D debuts to probably soften the blow. But as to whether that’s enough for investors, who knows.

>>71115836
Talking about Vietnam... That fiesta always messes up.
Maybe this time could have drama related to doxing, or if they do the show message on screen someone will sneak dokibird or black company on it.

>>71115917
Their contracts are, in all likelihood, pretty normal. Don't get thrown for a loop by a notorious legal bullshitter talking about a draft/template.

>>71115746
That would be a sensible thing to do.
So going by their track record so far if they launch NijiEU or whatever they're with 90% likelihood going to do the exact opposite and try to bring Japanese black company practices to the EU.

>>71115535
>also someone reported that Sony equity increased a small bit

they bought 5.3%, I think 4 years ago, april 2020?, and that has barely changed according to 11.3 screenshot here >>71110208

thats definitely not millions of shares. I dont think tokio marine asset management was above 5% a month ago tho, or Im misremembering really hard, Im gonna see if I can find something

>>71116067
sayu released her silencing contract which addressed specific provisions in said 'template'. It's pretty damning

>>71116067
Depend, there a lot of people only look at the money and ignore the legal words salad.
We don't know until someone from the EU zone got fucked.
Gosh i want this to happen so much

>>71112684
>>71112810
>>71112769
>>71115942
That was actually a solid PR move anons.
>Company in trouble?
>Nah it's fine, business as usual, I'm even taking a break
It was a well shot, well composed picture in bright light/sunshine with smiling ceo holding company merch near a patch of flowers, genuinely good picture which shows that they CAN hire competent PR people and just aren't doing it for anyone but their CEO (further reinforcing the idea that he's going to bail and is trying to bleach his image for his future enterprises)

Also good search engine manipulation, having this picture come up searching for his name is a lot better than the image of him grimacing in front of a black and white screen that got spread after his apology.

Problem is solid PR can only go so far, and they're so deep in shit that it's not going to accomplish very much.

>>71116257
>the yacht saved riku

>>71116067
They at the very least apply as the same type of contractor that Twappi is, so it's not a niji-only thing to not be treated as an employee to not get benefits.

>>71110208
People keep forgetting that Sony Music also have a Vtuber group in VEE so dropping Prism could just as well be someone wondering why they're paying to maintain two agencies

>>71116331
It’s a double-edged sword, PR wise. If it works, it’s like you said. If it doesn’t work, it backfires completely and looks like the CEO has his head in the sand. A better PR team would be able to tell which one’s more likely to happen.

>>71116047
Nah I doubt considering the English language barrier and most end up in Facebook instead of Twitter where Doki's presence is more apparent

>>71110017
investors have been known to buy the wrong stock because of mistaken identity or failing to do even the slightest bit of research ($zoom vs $zm, tweeter vs twitter, etc)
here's a study from 2001 about it
https://www.jstor.org/stable/2697743
investors are retarded.

>>71116299
The provisions themselves were quite plain (what they tried to achieve), manipulative but that's basic shit for contracts. Problems with the template mostly come from people misunderstanding what is written or what is attempted, and how it was written (as it's a template the last point is a bit silly to kvetch about, an EU NijiEN contract would look nothing like an NA NijiEN contract, and Niji also hires people who live in JP to work at NijiEN) Lot of people here seem to think that "contract says x so company can totally do x" while the contract says "b" and it's not trying to actually do "b" but is just trying to avoid liability in the circumstance of "b". See the amount of posters rambling about "Niji can demand you pay back a year's worth of salary" and other hilarious misreads that only prove you really need to get a real lawyer to read your contract before you sign.

>>71116327
I can fully accept that some people were just overly eager and jumped at the opportunity instead of carefully reading the contract, but there's too many people for that to be true (including a bunch who did refuse the contract for reasons that aren't the contract itself being absurd, but rather the terms themselves not being acceptable, like with Cy Yu) I find the premise that people like Sayu just didn't read their contract and sleepwalked into it just difficult to believe.
>We don't know until someone from the EU zone got fucked.
Don't think Niji activities in EU are big enough to get much attention, but I would genuinely love it if someone forced Nijisanji to go through discovery, they're going to have so many skeletons in their closet that would get exposed.

>>71116669
>2001
My faggot in topic, investors got burned so many times in 20 years with several drops that they are not that retarded anymore. Hell that shit was written before bitcoins, you must be the biggest faggot on earth to believe it's relevant.
You don't invest on a niche title without informing yourself enough to know where it will go. Unless you want to purposely get unrealized gains to cover some money.

>>71116559
Nah, it's not really got an edge either way. The detractors are going to remain on course but this is aimed at people on the periphery or who are coming in late. Controversy is just getting started on the JP side and this is a good step to stem the flow there.

Keep in mind the purpose here isn't to try and sell the message of "Niji good" but rather "The CEO isn't a vile black company scourge looking to suck his employees dry" and to generate positive-looking images of their CEO to contrast the huge rise in pictures of Riku looking like he's about to murder someone. Posting an image of him smiling while holding merch of his people co-opts PR done by companies like Cover and Vshojou and fits a greater narrative that any problems with Nijisanji aren't his fault, but the fault of some employees.

It's genuinely good PR. It shows they can hire good PR people that could fix their mistakes if given enough time and resources but they're not actually bothering with that. It actually gives some perspective on where their priorities lie to anyone looking closely at what they're doing.

>>71116966
I mostly agree with you that anons a fag but Enikara isn't exactly niche. 3k yen per stock is at worst average.

>>71116257
>>71116352
I remember them being listed in the 4% at some point like a month ago, but Im not a /biz/bro and Im too fucking stupid to find ANY list of shareholders of anycolour stock from before early february. hits just either dont give me history, or they give random history shit, but not older listings of shareholders.

>>71116331
There's no room for difference of opinion in misuse of the CEO's stamp, it's a huge fuckup if it happens even once. Worse than forging a signature, because the stamp is a physical object that should be secured, so either they're lying about it being unauthorised or they're hugely incompetent.

>>71117278
The problem is that whole stamp thing was never fully proved right? Still, now shit is being stirred in Japan too. Niji is losing more and more days as time passes.

>>71117558
If it didn't happen they would have said they didn't send her anything, not that the stamp was used without permission.

>>71117278
Wasn't really commenting on that part but you are correct, it's a huge mistake even accepting it was a mistake (which is a highly dubious claim). It fits the greater understanding that Riku Tazumi doesn't have a fucking clue what he's doing and just lent his stamp to his equally inept legal department.

>>71117558
It was 'proven' because they gave an excuse about it being unauthorised, so if it genuinely didn't happen they are now agreeing that it did happen but that it was a lawyer acting without permission of the CEO.

>>71115333
>NijiPH
It sounds so cursed, I wanna see it. It can only go wrong.

>>71112642
Stocks cannot be moral as there is no numerical value placed upon morality on the market. Even if you assume individual stock holders are moral actors, the market in general cannot make moral decisions as it's not represented anywhere in the market. The only number they have and can base decisions on is money go up and money go down.

It's like the concept of a paperclip maximizer. You tell an AI to produce as many paperclips as possible without any other prerequisites and it will destroy civilization because the only value it can possibly act on is how many paperclips it made.

>>71110650
You want a naked dogeza from Riku on his yacht?

>>71118080
A Dogeza means nothing if you don't actually go along with the reason. He didn't fix the shares, he didn't fix management, so he can fuck off.

>>71117841
>2 of the potentially biggest talents for PH is already EN

>>71116352
>>71110208
Tokio Marine Asset Management is a subsidiary of a massive insurance company from the 19th century, back then, trade and therefore ship-insurance was one of the most important kinds of insurance, which is probably where the name is from. Nowadays theyre a global player with like operations in 38 countries, mostly doing property/casualty insurance (biggest japanese insurer there by revenue) but also a ton of other insurance things. the yacht thing is funny, but thats not the parent companies main job anymore, and the Asset Management subsidiary, the one who own anycolour stocks, isnt actually insurance at all.

>>71117841
They apparently still have a decent following in China, so just reincarnate over there.

>>71118176
??? hex is a literal who compared to millie

>>71118026
Weird ass example but pretty much this. Stocks are reflecting morality only when morality is bad PR and bad handling of a situation.
Fucking the entire Selen situation and saying "negligible" on an official comm when it was not set the trust to 0. That's why the title lost millions in a second. You don't put your money where you don't trust people to do their job to make money for you.

>>71111548
>>71111103
>>71110895
>>71110772
>>71110650
>>71110188
>>71110073
>>71110017
>>71109367
>>71106755
>>71111817
It's amusing how they put an intern like you to play damage control here :D Even in the case you get few Anons on your side you are not repairing EN branches PR in the eyes of normie EX fans. You know that right? You are just exhausting yourself here for nothing.

>>71118181
China’s busy sticking fingers into anything that makes money and killing it with their retarded boomer regulations.

>>71118291
Anon half the posts you linked were obvious sarcasm. Calm the fuck down.

>>71106706
Foreigners.....

>>71118268

>>71118426
anon, java isnt a flip...

>>71118380
I call it, the shotgun method.

>>71118291
Hi, you hit my post at the end there: are you fucking retarded?
I was telling off a retard for implying Anycolor knew nothing of it when it was outright confirmed this shit came down from the top. How can you possibly read that as a defense of not just Nijisanji but Anycolor?

>>71118401
Foreigners like to manipulate and short stocks like this.

>>71106988
Because Petra's 3D got leaked.

>>71118179
yes, its equities management - essentially shell operations (possibly for Riku, or for whoever else) that doesn't want to explicitly say they own equity at Anycolor.
It is still possible that yachts could be the direct asset involved though - but its more likely its some real estate or some other lucrative asset.

>>71118548
>How can you possibly read that as a defense of not just Nijisanji but Anycolor?
Hah joke is on you Inter-san. How about you take your asian ass outside and smell the smog.

>>71118291
Nigger.

>>71116555
Indeed - also that Prism was acquired by Sony, not actually created by them, hence this was more getting Prism's company machinery (as in management and operations, not necessarily assets) and absorb back into their main properties.

>>71109118
>his lawyers are using his signature "without permission"
How long can they get away with this? I know this is a calculated move because Niji knew the other party was too small to fight in a long legal battle.

>>71119373
Best part was the total folding of the management "YES WE SENT THAT, BUT RIKU DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT" KEK total pushovers

kek the bull run is over already

>>71118640
>(possibly for Riku, or for whoever else)
I had the same idea.
I looked into the main companies CEO and tried to find a connection to Riku, but no dice in anglo internet, and I dont write moonrunes well enough to find that there, but I found out that the asset management subsidiary has a guy thats Executive Officer, Head of International Business Division, called Sato Suzuki, he started his career in 1989 in the mitsubishigroup.
Takato Suzuki is Exec in anycolour, and was part of ichikara or whatever they were called before that. The point here is, that they uploaded a picture of him. Hed be the right age to be Satos son or nephew. Of course, suzuki isnt exactly a rare name so someone with moonrune expertise should probably take this to the nipponnet and find out if theres a connection.

Is it bad that i want to see anycolor stock go over 4k then drop below 3k in a day or 2.
That would be fun to look at.

>>71119492
>Closed on 3240 already down 3%
Damn that's grim.

>>71119607
No I want a Costa post Concordia level dump.

>>71119665
the whole market is going to shit

>>71118181
I think the problem is that Nijisanji straight up can't risk it anymore. IIRC China introduced a new regulation a while back that demanded what anonymous influencers do face reveals after an arbitrary subscriber limit. And since China doesn't much care for non-Chinese companies, that just further complicates business over there.

>>71118281
I got that example from somewhere else. Basically the conglomerate hivemind of the stock market acts the same as an AI paperclip maximizer.

>>71119606
assuming they are related, whats the chance of this being rikus money, just being invested through that company to make sure they dont get delisted? What if relation was proven and someone were to give the japanese financial authorities a tip to maybe check the money trail. Would they do it? If they would and would find one, would that even be illegal, or would it TECHNICALLY still be legal and therefore they wouldnt care?
Anyone know anything about japanese stockmarket laws?

>>71113620
I blame that math nerd who figured how to make stocka go stonk. Now its a thinking man's game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU3o5v__Sek
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE SHUT IT DOWN

>>71113251
This is basically where I think we are. I'm expecting Tazumi to announce he is stepping down and selling his shares sometime in the next three months. He'll want to do it before the Q4 earnings come out, because the Q4 earnings will feature the Pomu/Selen catastrophes and show a gigantic drop in revenue and earnings for EN.

The question we should really be asking is "Who is going to buy the company" and "What are they going to do with it?" At least for us, the main concern is whether they try to turn the dying EN branch around.

I personally think the smart thing to do would be to fold Niji EN, graduate everyone who wants to leave and terminate the clique who created this situation, and then rebrand everything as "Niji Global" or "Niji Worldwide" as some anons had been suggesting.

But that would require an intelligent shareholder or shareholder group to be aware of the problems coming in, and be ready to put in serious work to save the company. If they just sell it to some group like Sony, most of Nijisanji will probably rot on the vine.

>>71106428
Shouldn't have pinned Peto against the entirty of Holo Fest

>>71120642
> rebrand everything as "Niji Global" or "Niji Worldwide" as some anons had been suggesting.
I'd probably stay away from the Nijisanji name, graduate all the women and dump all the males into a new Luxiem brand. This way you can have a strong presence with a targeted niche appeal (with strong performance) and you can then try to a new female branch down the line.

>>71114991
anon, I don't think(yes i dont) that nijjer has the right to choose on what doki can or cannot do with her own personal medical records. I can see them trying tho.

>>71117841
As a faggot already living in Shittypines, fuck no. I stopped consuming any all-flip made media cause of how shit it is. Its all the same cheating bf/gf/wife/husband, asshole in-laws, and some faggots just doing a face while a laugh track is playing. I can't fathom how braindead an AetaSanji is.

Wow, the JP comments have become a veritable civil war of antis and fake news. I guess most will still pump the price since nothing is really happening and they don't want to lose money, but it could realistically end with either result.
They are fucking eating each other over the future of the company and I like it. But without doubt there is a will to speculate over it instead of letting it grow.

There is also some shill clearly from corpo (who the fuck uses an image and does an analysis in the comments?) spouting lies about the expansion being young and the company able to buyback.
I wish I knew japanese to point out his lies.

>>71106428
Buckle up, this mountainous graph will be a normal thing from now on since Riku the Retard allowed his stock to be collateral.

>>71121555
>Its all the same cheating bf/gf/wife/husband, asshole in-laws, and some faggots just doing a face while a laugh track is playing. I can't fathom how braindead an AetaSanji is.
Is this why some livers like Luca and Millie leaned into stuff like this? Because of pinoy culture?

>>71120089
wouldn't be surprised if its some neo-keiretsu (especially if an ex-Mitsubishi is involved.) Then again the JP startup scene is essentially full-on nepotism.

>>71119876
wtf is going on, someone smart enough has an idea?

>>71110817
I honestly don't get why Cover went public.

>>71118026
>paperclip maximizer
Man I love Universal Paperclips.

>>71116559
>>71116331
It is a bluff, a bad one at that. This only works when it APPEARS like there are issues but there is no evidence of it out there.

Right now, the stocks are right about to fail despite the buybacks.

>>71117020
Still Riku already tried that with Selen's autograph a way back, and even then people thought how forced it looked

>>71125154
Small portion and they did it to get the money for the Studio. They said this publicly.

>>71125154
to get money to do that 3D studio probably, anyway, can you even go back to being a private company? what do you need to do so? buy all shares from the other shareholders and that's it?

>>71125154
>I honestly don't get why Cover went public.
2 reasons
- To finance the 3D studio
- Investors were pressuring Yagoo to either sell the company for profit or get an IPO for them cash out
Both of the reasons are fulfilled
HoloEarth costs are also completed
so there is no reason for them care about the stocks, also they only have a small % in stocks

The only reason why the stocks are so damn high is because investors are hoarding onto them because they trust the company

>>71125328
The whole thing makes me cringe, the misspelling in the autograph, the message feeling so awkward, Riku's smile that looks like it came from a rage comic, ugh.

>>71107859
If the pump barely moved it from 3100 to 3300 it's barely worth the name

>>71125154
>I honestly don't get why Cover went public.
Gives them a bunch of money to spend on projects like the studio. This costs them a share of revenue that will be paid out to shareholders and in theory the growth from the investment will be bigger than the cost of those payments. Stock price itself is going to be largely irrelevant to a company that doesn't seek to keep doing more stock nonsense, so unless Cover is planning to sell the price of their stock isn't going to matter much. In fact it could be to their benefit if it keeps dropping as they could buy back their outstanding stock and return to being private but they don't really have to.

This is different to Niji who hasn't done much investment and the company growth is pretty stagnant, they're doing stock buybacks instead of investing which means the value of their stock is their primary metric for success at the moment, and it's not looking good.

>>71125591
Pump isn't just about value itself, it's partly also to get people interested in the stock so you have someone to sell it to. It falling at 3300 again after a few days is fucking terrible for that too though.

>>71125487
>So damn high
Anybody remember that one fag asking Yagoo if they'll get VIP privileges for being stockholders? Or the guy asking at the meeting if, I believe Subaru, would make more content for his kids? Wouldn't surprise me if a portion of the investors are huge fans trying to buy a part of the company.

>>71125591
Looking at the Yahoo comments, yesterday was supposed to be the settlement of accounts for the stocks meaning the stock should have jumped way way higher but it didnt so now its so much vulnerable to short selling that anything can happen from tomorrow

No one can predict

>>71125906
Hololive shareholders are hololive fans
Nijisanji shareholders are short term stock traders

>>71126010
I'm hoping for at least a 6% drop before the 15th.

>>71106626
Based

>>71125906
I think you'll be allowed to participate in these Q and A's with any stock so any holofan with some free income to buy the stock can just join and ask anything. Doesn't mean they have actual influence.

Cover Corp public float is less than half of stock ownership. They can think more long-term as long as their internal investors are on board, and it looks like a lot of the private shareholders are Yagoo and Co. That said, I think Riku is still like 50% shareholder for Anycolor too.

Charles Schwab won't let me short Anycolor. Something something Japan.
Even though I've bought Cover shares through them.
With the thousands I've deposited, should I buy the dip in Cover or AI?
Personally have confidence in Cover with HoloEarth and worldwide expansion this year. Plus its competition is imploding.

Will it ever go below 3k? That goddamn graph is edging me hard.

>>71131589
you need special permissions which you can go through to shortsell on Schwab, you also need additional permissions and access to invest directly in foreign stock exchanges. schwab has a limited selection of foreign exchanges you can do this for. if you haven't done this and are buying foreign stocks like Anycolor, either they have local listings in the US or ADR shares which you can purchase.
>An American depositary receipt is a certificate issued by a U.S. bank that represents shares in foreign stock. These certificates trade on American stock exchanges. ADRs and their dividends are priced in U.S. dollars. ADRs represent an easy, liquid way for U.S. investors to own foreign stocks.

>>71131589
AI is still going up, Nvidia is not going to have any significant competition until around 2026 for the mass market, I expect to see more private competition this year from startups and other vendors for hyperscalers and companies with money to fund alternatives to not be beholdened to Nvidia. And it has provided better returns to date.
I would not bet on HoloEarth, it is supposed to release this year and the last time we saw it, it still looked like it was alpha quality. I would still buy the stock though especially with it being down the same time as Anycolor's. Value both of the Vtuber companies as entertainment companies, not tech companies, is all that needs to be said about their stock value and where they are headed.

I hope Anykara stock crashes so the next time an investor asks "why don't we just treat the talents like Nijisanji" we have a clear example not to follow

>>71131955
Is Nividia safe? I got some paper trading extra credit assignments and bought NVDA before the slump, but it looks like it's recovering.

>>71132139
its gone up a LOT. you kind of missed the big upswing already. and it doesn't pay a dividend.

>>71106755

>>71106428
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVEZSJt3dLo

>>71132191
I mean, it's not real money and it's like 2.5% extra credit at max. I bought it at around 870 and now it's hovering at like 855.

>>71131861
It will not, because you would not see it in time. The moment that happens is the moment the shareholders are out as they would be losing money by holding the actions.

It would be instant death.

>>71131878
Thanks. Representative was talking about ADRs as if implying they don't have Anycolor's? And didn't mention permissions, though that would be too much for this noob.

>>71131955
Bought Cover more out of passion. Best I diversify, keeping a watch how low they will dip before buying. Even AMD may rise as it tries to catch up.

>>71132400
NGL, I wanna see it, but just out of morbid curiosity.
I don't really hate the NIJIs, if anything I just avoid the obvious landmines behind this entire shitstorm.

>>71131861
There's not a single better time for it to drop below 3k than now, when they've opened up margin trading. Considering how the bump didn't even last two weeks... it's looking likely.

>>71122581
Quote what he said. Reply right after with 噓だ. Let the comment section do what it does

>>71118179
It's funny because Nintendo is also a company from the 19th century
...no, I'm serious. They were founded in 1889.

>>71133308
>>71133415
>>71133308
I really fucking hope none of the NIJI talents bought stock of their own company or some similar assbackwards decision.

>>71114120
How much of the Liver's assets actually legally belong to Anycolor? Obviously they can pound sand regarding EN livers, but do they actually get to have all of the JP liver's stuff?

>>71133515
>inb4 we find out that the livers have to own at least 100 shares in the company as a condition of employment
>purchased with their own money, of course; and any dividends they get from selling go straight to Niji

>>71114220
And even that won't be anything new. Cover beat them by over three years, when the last Holo CN talent to leave used her graduation stream to also be her 3D debut stream.

>>71114438
Whether it's this quarterly stockholders meeting or the next, the questions about EN that they will ask Riku will be the "it's not three roentgen, it's fifteen thousand" moment for Nijisanji.

Dissolving the EN branch will be the "make things marginally better by intentionally creating over 8,000 tons of highly radioactive lava" moment.

>>71134137
If the shareholders want Niji EN dissolved because it's nothing but trouble then dissolving it wouldn't cause any problems.

>>71133507
I didnt know, but Im not that surprised to find out that they just made stuff like cardgames back in the day. I was seriously surprised to find out theyre still hqed in kyoto though, Id have assumed theyd have moved to tokyo by now.

>>71133629
wouldnt that be really hard for anyone thats not japanese? you usually cant easily buy shares of companies in other stockmarkets, except maybe the US one if youre lucky.

>>71125154
Cover went partial public because they wanted funds for the studio they were making.
The actual reason was because shareholders were threatening to pull out support and Yagoo was at the risk of getting ran out of the CEO position if Cover didn't go at least partial public.

Some shareholders didn't like that Cover was actually properly paying the Vtubers in his employ.
They were getting pissy complaining that if Yagoo only paid the Holos a whole lot smaller then they could have gotten a lot of money already.

>>71115553
>Ne er forget Doki had tried to leave neutral so many fucking times
You mean she tried leaving "neutrally" by requesting a graduation stream a week after a month of negotiations? Did you also forget she never said anything about not harassing people until after the black box video when they said to not harass anyone before her?

>Sayu
Sayu proved she was an unprofessional, malicious mental reject over this drama. She will never get a contract again in her life after leaking shit to a known grifter. Notice how it's only the people that are fired that have a bone to pick?

Anycolor but they chose red

>>71113293
Damn

>>71135595
Those guys sound both comically greedy and incredibly short-sighted.

>>71136435
Investors dot text! There's a reason why otherwise well run companies get noticeably worse as soon as they go public

>>71136435
Why do you think people hate investors?
That's why it's also funny what the investors in Cover are thinking right now with what is currently happening in Niji. They must have immediately shut up after seeing all the drama.

>>71106428
Just wait for koshien and the next JP wave, stocks will shoot up up up!

>>71136770
So that business minigame in Yakuza 7 was actually for real...

>>71136915
Bro they barely won last Koshien with Holo not even trying in that specific month.

>>71136915
Yes sister.... buy the stocks now

If you remove the fandom from the equation and look at it from purely an investor looking to cash in within a 5 years timeline, Anycolor and Cover pros vs cons:

- Profit Margin: while not officially disclosed, Anycolor probably has better profit margin compared to Cover since they most likely don't pay as much numeration to their talents versus Cover.
- Marketability: Anycolor has more popular male vtubers, but Cover absolutely dominates the female vtubers market. Taking into account the recent debacles with NijiEN, it's probably safe to say that Cover will own the foreign markets for a while. The big question mark is how can they turn foreign markets into stable profit since merch shipping is still the biggest bane right now.
- Sponsorship: I don't have any concrete data, but looking mostly at what's being shilled, it looks like Anycolor has a bigger appeal to normal Japanese people compared to Cover's more gaming/anime-oriented sponsors. I've seen Niji shilled everything from mattresses, fashion items, jewelry, perfume, etc... to huge brands like Google Pixel and the McDonald collab. By contrast, Cover mostly sticks to gacha games, tie-in anime franchises, or random stuffs like travel agencies. Red Bull and Sega are probably a few of their bigger deals.
- Future Outlook: Anycolor seems perfectly fine with their current strategy despite shrinking foreign markets due to scandals, and they still have a strong consumer base in Japan. Cover is much more ambitious with their new 3D studio and HoloEarth which appears to be the lynchpin for their operating strategy, but developing a whole game/concert venue from scratch is a daunting task especially for a company that has not done it before. It could easily become a money sink for Cover if HoloEarth fails to perform to investors' expectation.

tl;dr - Buy Anycolor if it dips below 2.9k yen with a short-term (1 year) outlook, or buy Cover at its current price if you're a believer in HoloEarth and think Hololive still has room to expand.

>>71106428
lol

>>71106428
why is it above 3k

>>71138819
This is the kind of analysis that honestly I would prefer people stop doing, because it's the fallacy you fall into when you think of investors.
Investors will put their money in a dildo factory if it brings money. Also the conclusion is absolutely asinine and doesn't take in mind the recent market changes: Anycolor is in loan, so going below 2.9k will make it go even lower due to the debts incurring and they cannot buyback as they did it in January.

Don't try to be an analyst if you are manipulating the results to sound smart, faggot.

>>71131861
Probably not. There's too many investors that seem determined to keep Anycolor float. That said, it would not be a surprise if they start bailing on Q4's report. Q3 will only give us a slight glimpse of how EN has been doing from Dec to February.

>>71135892
She requested that no one harass anyone on her first stream as Doki as part of her closing statement, well before the black box stream.

Granted, any such request from the black box stream rings rather hollow, as they harassed Doki straight off the air while attempting to smear her a second time.

And of course only people who have been fried or have quit complain. You can't complain or say anything disparaging about AnyColor if you're under contract. (Though I suppose we do get various snippets of complaints about management from active livers, if mostly on member streams.)

>>71138819
If you remove the fandom from the equation and want to cash in without regard for diversification, you would never invest in the companies at all. Only within the entertainment sphere are they worth investing at all, the only real companies that beat their YoY increases is Netflix and Roku whom invest the most in tech in that sector.

>>71125671
>This costs them a share of revenue that will be paid out to shareholders
You're not actually required to pay dividends. Apple famously didn't for many years despite being the cash-richest company on Earth.