/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

if she spilling all the spaghetti then sure

>>70757798
Sure it should make for a fun read/stream. After Pomu left I don't really have anything at stake with Niji.

Only with a naked dogeza

>>70757798
She would need proof that she didn't do anything wrong

>>70757798
Only if Doki says she's good
Remember Doki name-dropped her for bullying and that's something Anycolor approved

>>70757798
Only if she masturbates while doing it.

Knowing /vt/, she'd be treated as a hero if she leaves.

Only if she apologizes

>>70757798
Only if she goes full Light "I'm Kira" at the end of Death Note mode.

>>70757995
>She gets out
>Begins shitting all over Doki for ruining a good thing
What would you do then Anon?

Her redemption would require a big event and her totally turning on Kurosanji

>>70757798
Sure, she has to apologize to Doki first though. Doki doesn't have to forgive her, a show of remorse is needed at least

>>70757798
She'd have to apologize first (she won't)

>>70763126
Oh, she'll be crucified if she does that

>>70757798
will listen, but will never accept.
she had agency in doing that stream and hosting it on her channel

>>70763895
Probably, but why? She was doing good, and fuckers harrassed her and essentially destroyed her job. We know Doki is pretty toxic to her managers and she'd just be proving it. Maybe kurosanji is more Gureesanji.

>>70764096
Sis, frankly stop. You read the fucking contract. That shit is under Vox too. You do realize that he is literally streaming from the Prison Camp too?
Aren't you tired to shoot at us when they are literally torturing whoever is your oshi? The contract isreal, It has been confirmed even Luxiem is under it.

>>70757798
No. She fucked a manager/s for money. Literally the definition of a whore. Live by being an onahole for dosh, die by being an onahole for dosh.

>>70758345
No she didn't. She only said some people bullied her. Elira went on stream and read out that she, Enna and Mille were on that document.
Literally self-report. I wish she will be able to explain herself only because it will be funnier than her trying to continue denying it and struggle to get 1 Finana.

>>70757798
I Just wanna ask is the NDF PR strategy on /vt/ there are multiple threads of this bitch asking if we would forgive her? she can die ditch tomorrow as much I care

>>70764184
The whole idol/corpo vtuber industry is under those same snakey contracts.

>>70764096
>We know Doki is pretty toxic to her managers and she'd just be proving it.
So true, Sister! Just as you said, Selen sure butted heads with her managers (Elira and the clique) often!

Thanks for the confirmation, Elira/Enna/Millie.

mods! post some sexo Elira catboxes

>>70757798
I don't hate any of the livers themselves (except Kyo), I just don't want to support Nijisanji anymore. If they leave I don't have any problem with watching them again. I mean, we can't even know how much control they had over that stream or the statements they made. We already know that Niji controls their social accounts for stuff like that.

>>70757798
only if she delivers content on onlyfans.

Only if she kneels hard, apologizes to doki, streams with doki on her channel and the interaction isn't cringe, and she throws nijiEN and especially Millie and Enna under the bus

>>70764096
>We know Doki is pretty toxic to her managers and she'd just be proving it.
No one gives a fuck. She was bullied to the point of attempting suicide. Actively continuing to shit on such a person is reputational poison.
>>70764425
Whataboitism

>>70757798
I'm willing to hear her out, but I'm going to need to see something outstanding for me to think she's better than a manipulative bitch.

>>70764425
really is it proven that holo/vshojo/phase have similar contracts? only 1k for a model and rigging then taking a 50% cut seems insane theres no way other corpos get away this

>>70764425
keep coping sister also make sure to check your time you might be missing your shift at your wet shop.

>>70763126
duuuhhh, fucking rape her, obviously, what else is left to do at that point?

>>70757798
I have gradually become invested in her story. I'm going to give her a chance solely to see how this goes.

>>70760101
nah, not nearly enough, she needs recipts, big ones, i know that skin walking the accounts was one thing, but the black video with her voice?, at the same time at doki's stream?, she will need a photo of the gun point blank in her head to turn around that one.

>>70757798
Yes, although its unlikely to happen for a while, she would first need to leave nijisanji and then wait for nda to expire

>>70769578
Not to defend her but...she has that. The contract proves if she didn't do it they could repossess all she has and she was with a Visa in Japan. Basically they can have her under house arrest right now as far as we know.

Of course, there is plenty of other stuff to explain, like the favoritism, nepo-hires and other shit. But no one would believe her if denied, her best idea would be to admit it all or prove that is not true.

>>70757798
Punished Elira - A Fallen Chuuba.

>>70769705
good point, she being in Japan is a big shity situation to be in rn, but, unfortunately, is her the one that have to present that proof, making clear that she had no control on the situation, that being in Japan was the reason to try to smear Doki and trying to clear her name by having Sayu or Doki to confirm her claims

>>70757798
Will she do it naked while performing paizuri on me?

>>70764096
>We

>>70757798
Unless I hear of her personally apologizing to every member she fucked over, then no.

>>70757798
>if she got out
Elira is trapped in their kuro basement. There is also no movement in any of her social media.

>>70769705
They wouldn't have done shit to her if she simply declined to do the stream. You think they would risk another scandal while in the middle of attempted-suicide-causing allegations? Get real. The reality was that this never even happened.
She did it of her own volition to try to exonerate herself and her clique from whatever Selen had on her.

>>70757798
>if she got out the black company
I hope she stays in Niji forever and every superchat and membership is in ARS.

Niji should just give this model to her and let her go to atone for their sins.

>>70769578
If Gundou, one of the most hated Japanese vtubers who has shat on Hololive and its fans multiple times in the past gets /vt/'s full support upon leaving, then so does everybody else.

>>70772519
No

>>70764289
>>70758345
That anon is right and so are you. Doki did name her alongside Millie and Enna in the document, and that dumbass Elira leaked that for the world to see. It's easy to surmise it was about the whole bullying business.

She shoot herself on the food and dragged two of the other livers down with her. But I definitely would want to hear her side of the story just to watch her try to cope with all the bad shit she did to Sayu and Doki.

>>70757798
nah

>>70757798
I still think there's a non-zero chance she's the one who leaked the unsigned template to LM
She would be a "very credible source" and would have an incentive of clearing her name hoping to get outside help

>>70778601
Except the plan seems to have fallen apart because most drama fags are reading the twitter summary that frames Article 8 as "attend meetings"
But it'd be hilarious if she gets terminated for this.

>>70757798
Yes. I schizo rrat'ed about Niji being actually run by yakuzas since the beginning of the shitshow. When she landed in Japan they made her offer she couldn't refuse and the fun lawyerman dude's contract reveals only solidified it in my brain.

>>70757798
Never.

>>70769705
>Still acting like she couldn't have just hopped on a plane back to canada and told kurosanji to go fuck themselves once she and her possessions are safe
and even ignoring that she was the one who made the call to put the stream right when doki had started to ensure she would disrupt it.
there was no gun. elira is just a spiteful conniving bitch who got found out.

>>70757798
Chance? Sure, even if she stays I'll still give her that, but she will need one hell of a story to turn this around

id rather she just went to streaming like normal

>>70781304
I mean that's kind of the point though
The obvious implication, which LM was kind of pushing also, was that Niji can force its talents to do anything including making public statements for them and what to say, which would absolve Elira of a lot of responsibility
I also found it interesting that LM, who has been very casual with chat making derogatory jokes about Elira and Vox and Ike, was not very derogatory towards Elira in that stream

I don't think it's IMPOSSIBLE that Elira went behind the scenes to ask LM how the fuck to get out of her legal and reputation nightmare and has been leaking some docs.... but that's just a rrat for now

>>70757798
If she apologized and Doki or Sayu forgave her, I would too.

>>70783922
>The obvious implication, which LM was kind of pushing also, was that Niji can force its talents to do anything including making public statements for them and what to say, which would absolve Elira of a lot of responsibility
My point was that it didn't work out, if true, because the dramafags are not focusing on that part of the contract. She needs the dramafags and twittards to show this to the general public and so far what they're getting is "oh, just attend meetings". Although, if true, she can just guest star with him and that'd probably be Doki-tier absolution.
>I don't think it's IMPOSSIBLE that Elira went behind the scenes to ask LM how the fuck to get out of her legal and reputation nightmare and has been leaking some docs.... but that's just a rrat for now
We pretty much know Enna is a contact for Khyo, so it's not out of the realm of possibilities.

wow booby !
??????

>>70757798
If she threw Enna under the bus/blamed her for everything, I would 100% believe her and turn a blind eye to any other evidence lmao fuck that stupid bird.

>>70757798
I would respect her even less. She made the choice that her job was worth more to her than her principles, she could have refused to do the black stream and been fired. If she quits the job anyway after that then she just hurt Doki and betrayed the trust of her fans for no reason.

>>70757798
she doesn't even have to leave, she did nothing wrong. I trust and believe in her 100%, she's never given me a reason not to

>>70757798
no

Is she even alive at this point? There's been no signs of life in weeks. Like seriously, is she ok?

>>70757798
I suggest she finds another job, this scandal will haunt her online life forever if she does not drop visibility. She has her own personal anti-schizo's now, and this is not hyperbole.

>>70787706
I will remember this post, and I will feel a warm, fuzzy feeling about how you, specifically will be feeling if she gets terminated or graduates. If she doesn't? Cool, the only time I see anything about here is /here/ where a majority of our peers outside of your little hugboxes shits on her for being the piece of shit that she is.

>>70764096
>She was grumpy at mamagers
>Therefore kill her
Fuck you

if she causes total death of nijisanji i will forgive her just for the entertainment value

Nope. No forgiveness, no repentance, live with your sin until your dying day. Just be an irredeemable bitch 24/7, at least she'll be consistent. Know who you are and be comfortable with it. There's a consistent pattern of behaviour, stretching back to her PL, she's 20+years old learn to live with the consequences of your actions

>>70764200
uh no? Say you own a business. Employee S and Employee E both want raises. Employee E is obedient, loyal, shows up early, stays late, does anything you want. Employee S does make more sales than E, but she's annoying, she complains about everything, she bitches about her schedule, she always wants time off, always wants extra funds for special projects. I'm going to give the model employee all the perks, not the pain in my fucking ass, even if they are a good earner. That's just simple human nature, you want to help people you like, not people you dont.

>>70797368
Yes and then you lose YOUR job because YOUR manager is wondering why your department's sales fucking suck.

>>70763126
love her even more than I already do for her based-ness

>>70797368
you're competing with other businesses not run by retards incapable of resisting their base emotional reactions, who will reward and facilitate their employees who bring in money, and eventually drive you into irrelevancy

>>70774757
She didn't say that Millie and Enna were named in the document. She never even said they were accused of bullying her, she only said her location was alluded to in the document and anyone knows that Elira, Millie and Enna all live in the same city. People calling Elira, Enna and Millie bullies are running with the worst interpretation of them because of confirmation bias

I genuinely don't know what Ethryia did to get so hated in this board that people have such a strong confirmation bias about them. Was it the male collabs? Was it Millie's dumb 4chan LARP stream?

>>70796059
you do realize there's like maybe 400 mentally ill retards /here/ right? The psychos (you and me included) that frequent this place are 0.0000001% of actual vtuber audiences. What we think or say doesn't matter.

And I will get a warm, fuzzy feeling when I read Doki's obituary after attempt 3 when I think of you crying yourself to sleep hugging your Selen daki while Elira is happily streaming some rpg.

>>70797490
not if you're the boss and its your company! solid, loyal employees are always better than schizos, no matter how good they are

>>70797368
Obedience doesn't get results. Why is she showing up early and staying up late and her results still medicore? Can have the nicest guy in the world as your salesman but if he can't shift the product well, you cut him loose or you change his role. You don't reward mediocrity. That's how you go bankrupt.
Employee B So what if she wants to run projects? Is there a business case for it? Will it be profitable? As a manager you sit her down and you give her a hard cap on a budget. Make it work. Pain in the ass doesn't matter as much if she gets you results.
You help the people who make you more money not the one dragging the squad down. That's the way it works in any business.

>>70797824
Hololive is made up of schizos and autists, anon. My point still stands that it's not on the liver that they were treated favortism (except for Luca). The rrats before the contract leaked doesn't even make sense considering many of the attempts slandering the livers especially Elira Pendora. If she was actually in charge she would shut up about the bully and never tried to own up to it. It's so stupid that you have to think she was at her schitzo moment that she outed herself illogically.

>>70798004
Most company operates that way. Not like the ones in the top, not even like the ones you are dreaming. They look at your behavior to the higher up more than your productivity. If you show sign of disrespecting them or going against orders, they will fire you no matter how important you are.

>>70787699
Exactly as this anon says. If she was voluntold by the company, have a fucking spine and refuse. With all the support Doki had publicly BEFORE the black stream even, any display of fuck the company would have been met with equal support. She was complicit at best, and more likely malicious.

>>70798330
Again you can have the sweetest salesman in the world but if he can't shift the product your company is DEAD.
You can't be a total ass and I don't consider an employee showing initiative to do special projects a pain in the ass. I consider that ambition. They have to present a business case however. If it is sound and profitable I appreciate it.
Being a doormat with shit tier productivity is not worth investing in. I'm not giving slack to an employee just because they're an obedient lapdog. How about you obey the productivity rules and meet your quota 1st? This is why KPI's are a thing. This is why performance reviews exist.

>>70764096
There are no managers, and even if there were, the contract said the talents had to figure out there own shit.

>>70764096
>managers don't fucking do their jobs, CONSTANTLY hold her back from making progress on projects
>lashes out in anger
>Doki's fault
>management now actively wants to harass her and the fans somehow agree
How the fuck can the sisters even think like this?

>>70765486
Wait what? They aren't supplied with the models? Did I miss that part of the contract? Models cost several tens of thousands for corpo level.

>>70798950
You expect it working as a standard business when we have contract like this... bro... yours only work if they didn't act like tyrants. They want both but they'll support whoever shows sign of obidience more. While they'll squeeze the productive worker but not very obidience until the very last drop then throw them out. Blaming either Elira nor Dokibird is stupid.

>>70799652
Obedience*

shit company with shitty rules fosters a toxic environment that pushes a white cracker to bully a chink into an heroing themselves. literally the most obvious thing in the world and yet a literal white karen gets the benefit of the doubt because they're hiding behind the mask of a fictional anime girl, I don't see what's so hard to understand

>>70801799
>chink
>karen
>in their 20s
>having many friends
Kys now nijshitter. Stop projecting your own image on everything. Go back to your fujoshit containment

>>70798802
Yes, and if you're too afraid to refuse then you made a choice, accept the consequences. Trying to weasel out now after the damage is done is just double-cowardice.

>>70757798
who?

>>70802285
So it's your fault that you were scared because someone would take all your stuff and money away if you didn't comply. That... that sounds exactly how Petra and Rosemi perceived themselves.
>It's your fault and not the black company.
Why are you two retarded?

>>70802285
>it's your fault for cowardice
They ruined her fucking life in a few hours, sister.
You'd have firebombed ANYCOLOR if they did it to a boy.

>>70797749
1: Hey you're right, and guess what, public opinion outside of this place is even MORE heavily skewed towards Doki.

2: Look at yourself in the mirror and really try to convince yourself that scenario is likely. The only thing Doki is attempting right now is attempting to find the best way to hold all the money she's getting.

>>70797749
Really? Is that why Elira's channel shriveled up and the rest of the other organs' have lost half their active audience? Weird. It's almost as if the entire fucking world finally understands that Nijisanji sucks now.
If your first thought after reading that contract was "Fuck Dokibird" and not "Why the fuck is my oshi still in there?" you don't actually give a shit about the organs. You just care about having a "winning team" even if all of your streamers die.

>>70764096
>We know Doki is pretty toxic to her managers
>managers
>in niggersanji
Like we need more proof that the sisters are full of shit, the braindead menheras don't even keep up with the updates.

>>70758345
retard

>>70757798
That depends anon, does the Superior Orders defence hold up in your eyes?

>>70757798
>would you still give her a chance to tell her side of story if she got out the black company
yes

>>70811450
jacking off to her tits guilt free

>>70798950
A lot of companies do rot from the inside out though because of bad management filtering down to the bottom. You're right, they go bankrupt and we're probably witnessing that happen right now.

Only if she did a humiliation stream where she's naked on all fours and moo'd like a cow while she's forced to fart

>>70792481
Ok,I’m tired of being positive, let’s be real:
>She disappeared after black stream
>Only sign of life was a vert weird sockpuppet twit and some random ass likes
>She missed all chances to just come back like le retard de Vox Akuma did
>Millie is in Japan with everyone but doesn’t tweet about what she doin, she is with the boys
>Millie pulls a “support for Elira” post and goes full schizo on it
>Enna returns from France and goes on stream, actually shows regret for something and self-questioning
>Enna apparently took another plane to get to Millie, reason unknown since not in big collabs

Possible rrat:
>She is evil but not stupid, she must have realized black stream script sucked
>Her original plan was to get just their own version out at a proper time, management took over once the shitstorm started and take all the worse decisions like retards
>Own versions become a “Sayu smear” 2.0 but it’s super tone deal
>She tries to object but management is out to save their asses, they point out she is in japan on Visa, they can take everything from her and make her a scapegoat
>Le black stream happens
>Riku sends his apology, then finds out the shitstorm is not over cuz of menheras
>Riku drops on EN management and gives them the scolding of their lives
>Turns to Elira, who is not Vox who can unleash a legion of menheras to prove she’s still valuable
>Riku basically dismantles her in front of everyone there, calls her out for all the bullshit she was granted and caused, basically tells her she’s gonna get Coco’d and tossed in the middle of a street as soon as this blows over.
>Elira singlehandedly realizes her life is over, because she is royally fucked in every way and can’t restart like Doki after having gone full corpo
>She mentally breaks and actually commits self harm on herself, unsuccessful because otherwise not even Riku would be able to hide that
>She gets hospitalized, Riku makes a giant gag order this time, Enna and Millie have a moment of absolute realization that the same medicine isn’t fucking funny.
>Millie could visit her at the hospital so she’s more stable and twits support messages that are neutral enough managers approve for clout
>Enna could not so in her stream she can finally feel what is left of a soul coming up and vomits pure “I am a bad person, right?” energy
>Enna and Millie are now in Japan to visit her while working in damage control ofr niji
>All livers are still there because they know the boat is rocking and they will see where it will go

>>70813710
Wow, you could make a light novel out of this.

>>70757798
I will only believe what comes out of her mouth if Doki is on speaking terms with her. Comrades in the same struggle SHOULD be speaking to each other.

>>70813921
Still it would make sense. We are past the “silence” phase, Vox is popping everywhere, why not Elira who we know she is in Japan. Don’t sell me that “she’s enoying vacation” crap, she didn’t even check her account or liked her friends posts, it takes a fucking second.
The only possible answer is she can’t. But a scapegoat at this point where Riku seems ready to get out himself seems ridicolous. The contract killed any chance to save EN unless it’s fully disputed, they will have to fold the branch and restart but that takes money and trust of the investors Riku doesn’t have. He will toss the hot potato to someone else and new management will make investors happy again while he runs with all the money.

So not a vacation, not a scapegoat, no support in relaunching her…clearly she can’t use twitter, which means she’s either in house arrest or in distress.

>>70814131
I'm honestly wondering if she's even alive. She kinda ruined her reputation in one video. Before it, nobody outside of /vt/ was even looking in her direction.

>>70814131
No, I agree with your Rrat I was just thinking that it would make for a good light novel.

>>70814176
Japan may be tone deaf to mental health but if someone died it would be a big deal. Scarle too poofed before Fulgur gave us the ok, so if Enna and Millie could talk, they would.
Causing a second liver to self harm soon after the apology? Instant Niji death if known. Riku is holding the gag order until he’s out and the PR can’t reach him anymore.

>>70757798
she can only atone by giving me a sloppy blowjob. Then nature will start healing on its own.

Will Elira appear in Petra and Rosemi's 3D streams?

>>70764096
>we
the only "we" applicable here are the voices inside your head fujofaggot

>>70814273
Only Petra has a stream? And it would be absurdely mean. Shr has to already somehow avoid getting mogged by HOLOFES, riding on Petra’s big moment is gonna make a lot of people hate her more.

>>70814273
If it does happen that would be asking for trouble. Not hating on Elira just stating facts. It would be a stupid move.

>>70814348
>Only Petra
It's full Obsydia 3D (without Selen)
https://www.youtube.com/live/DphG9vJvsxE

>>70813710
>tells her she’s gonna get Coco’d and tossed in the middle of a street as soon as this blows over.
I can see it happening, especially with the black screen stream still up, maybe they don't expect that channel to ever recover.
>can’t restart like Doki after having gone full corpo
She used to stream to 2k people, I'm sure if she attempts to pivot to indie she can muster enough people to keep her head above water long enough to start rebuilding her career. Especially if she can call a favor from Henya, Matara or Pomu. Also I think there's a 3 year grace period where people are willing to offer some (operative word) forgiveness as long as she throws Niji under the bus.

>>70814273
This tweet makes so much sense now.
https://twitter.com/EliraPendora/status/1754363750768099821

>>70814414
>>70814485
>It's full Obsydia 3D (without Selen)
>This tweet makes so much sense now.
They wouldn't...

>>70814679
Why not? Just because an employee got fired?
>>70814485
>Feb 5, 2024

>>70757798
I mean, I'd listen to it, watch the folks dismember her arguments and just try to forget about her
Without some serious receipts in her favour she can't clean up her image. And I pray to God that she is not actually guilty. I pray that le ebil shadow management got her by the mammaries, forced a billion and a seven merch collabs at her to make her indebted, knowing full well that the moment she acts out of line they can take the 2% back. But it's very likely this isn't the case.

>>70813710
>get caught being evil
>attempt self-harm for sympathy
Ah, the James Sommerton strategy I see. Very clever.

yes I know that happened two days ago I just wanted to make the funny

>>70814485
Don't be s retard, Elira and Petra where supposed to host the Niji mario cart tournament.

>>70814679
You really think Rosemi and Petra would take the bullet of using Petra’s 3D, during Holofest, to literally relaunch Elira’s career which will go nowhere as it will just toss both of them into the mud?
Nah, it makes no sense, EN is super done already. The group would get so much backlash. A lot of people still support Rosemi and Petra purely on the Gen mates card and Rosemi kept Selen in the intro.
She wouldn’t crater her chances to avoid radioactivity. It’s even after the investors meeting.

>>70815152
Petra and Elira are friends tho? Narratives are fun, but people aren't mustache twirling villains.

>>70814692
>Why not?
Do you know how pissed off people would be? I care about what happened I'm no moralfag but even I can see that this would retarded.
>Public opinion - Selen was bullied
>Tryed to kill herself two times
>Gets publicly fired and smeared by a black screen video which Elira herself hosted on her channel and stared in
>Rrats make it to the normies and they believe in them
>More Niji fuck ups happen
>Gen mates get 3D that's good
>Elira takes Selen's spot basically replacing her
You would have to be a retard to not see the incoming shitshow that this scenario would cause. I have no dog in this fight, but I can see how moronic this decision would be. Nijisanji would absolutely be fucking retarded if they did this. Just saying.

>>70815249
>I care about what happened
Meant to say don't care
>It's 3:00am
Give me a break

>>70815249
>Nijisanji would absolutely be fucking retarded if they did this
All but confirmed then.
>>70815289
>Give me a break
Ok, go get some sleep anon.

>>70815232
Being friends is one thing, but >>70815063 is right. It was a completely different reason. Petra and Vox could still do stuff around so why not Elira?
It will not reflect well on all those who are happy Obsydia is avoiding this entire drama. Especially since the timing of the 3D is already horrible.

>>70815249
>Do you know how pissed off people would be? I care about what happened I'm no moralfag but even I can see that this would retarded.
A message from Nijisanji EN

>>70815325
>Ok, go get some sleep anon.
I will

>>70815249
Elira is close to Petra and Rosemi so why not?

>>70757798
Absolutely

>>70815343
Point is that Rosemi and Petra have avoided all the radioactivity and are rumored to be getting out. Rosemi has not even stopped streaming, disables chat lock moderation and showed Selen support in the limits of what she could do.
Do that and you are basically tossed with the others in the trash with no way to recover once Niji goes under. Rosemi is not stupid.

>>70815417
Elira was virtually spotless during her time in EN aside from a few rrats here. Nobody even gave her a second thought until that video where everything clicked and was confirmed.

>>70815446
True, but there is helping a friend and there is just jumping down a pit because they did do it.
The only way to help would be also proving she is innocent in that very stream, ditching her Ethyria friends, but that would prove things against the company. Unless they all announce graduation here and then or something.

>>70815063
Elira doesn't need to go to Japan just to host Mario kart...... meanwhile 3D is different.

>>70792481
isreal? Is Elira fucking missing to now? The absolute fucking state of Kurosanji

>>70813710
Sociopathic narcissists don't commit self-harm.
That would require empathy and introspection.

>>70815446
Her PL had its fair share of issues and some people had called it out here but she made a clean break and deleted her PL as soon as she got the job at Niji so it was never brought up outside of shitposting which was summarily deleted and I guess people assumed she turned a new leaf from what had happened during Hanamori. The main issues were really the nepohiring from the circle and evidence mounting against her about getting her friends in. Only when shit started to go down at Niji did she get implicated in the rrats that were going on with favoritism and etc. and it stuck because the suspicions were there for a long time in the background before "A message from Nijisanji EN" basically tanked her career and made them flourish and gain legs.
>>70815499
Unless they bring actual evidence and screenshots that are convincing enough to paint Selen in a bad light or to at least absolve them of this, which I highly doubt because if they had it, they would've released it during the black screen stream other than the one discord exchange shown regarding the MV, there was no other perfect time to release that evidence.

>>70815446
>Nova
>Spotless

HOLY TOURIST

>>70815570
Why do sisters keep trying to push these kind of mental illness buzzwords around? Selen was a menhera BPD because she attempted suicide, now Elira is SN because she didn't attempt suicide. Are you retarded or what?

>>70815519
Still doesn’t explain the total radio silence.
Look, popping in there with Petra and Rosemi and them acting like nothing happened is a career suicide for all of them. Everyone will see it as black video 2.
It doesn’t match Rosemi’s support for Selen all this time with the intro, or herself distancing from the rest of the group, or her constantly streaming and clearly not being busy filming 3D.
Unless Elira plans somehow to properly apologize and explain herself, it would only work to taking both Petra and Rosemi down with her, and Rosemi has people already waiting to pouch her if she leaves. She is not gonna kill herself for Elira.

>>70815665
Guess who fucking doxxed Elira's PL? Fujoshitters fans of Luxeam. You guys even talked shit about Nina for years. Stop coming to /vt/ and spreading your fujo ass around.

>>70815680
Doko was BPD because she put it in her Twittwr bio and later deleted it, classic BPD move. Elira, and Vox, are sociopathic narcissist because they failed at basic human empathy by doing the black stream.

>>70815665
I specified during. Nova wasn't spotless, but Elira was relatively yab free.

>>70815555
Two replies from Feb 29 and one post from Feb 27. She's gone, unfortunately for her she's too radioactive for anyone to go #WhereIsElira.

>>70815736
>implying i'm a sister for despising hanamori tumblr feminist vtweeters


sis....

>>70815751
Please update your contract before ever attempting to shit on here again.

>>70815836
>no substantive rebuttal
Concession accepted

>>70815803
>let me bring up shitty doxxes we done years ago about someone's life. Go back to tour doxxites, shitters

>>70815774
Honestly those look extremely sock puppeted as someone playing her. If she was fine she would be more buzz.
The only way Elira’s presence in the 3D debut would be fine is if there will be graduations flying. And let’s not forget Riku is literally in abandon ship mode and he would be schizo to not do so. Planning to kill the carreer of Obsydia the day after the meeting would sink the yacht and all people in it.

>>70815876
>can't even greentext
GRIM

I have despised hanamori before your chink menhera ass even knew what Vtubing is. An anon asserted Elira is spotless and I corrected that assertion. You stick out like a sore thumb.

>>70815803
>muh tumblr
You know when I was as fucking young as them I got into /pol shitshow. If my pl ever gotten dug up right now I'd kill my old self assap. Get the fuck outta here with your /pol shit because I despites that shit.

>>70815232
anon they're women

>>70815923
Anon, please. I said that Elira didn't yab publicly during her time at Nijisanji. This is pretty accurate. However with the context of what we know now, a lot of signs were there.

>>70815923
>reddit space
Go back to your doxxite shitter. Also I got to vtubing ever since Kizuna AI was a thing ang /vt/ didn't fucking exist. Stop showing off like a retard.

>>70815927
So, you are bandwagoning cattle with no actual convictions.
You are on /vt/ of all places defending a feminist that crybullied artists for daring to draw loli and sexy fanart of video-game characters.

Hysterical.

>Derailing this >>70815232 conversation
Sister psyop?

>>70815977
>reddit spacing

Continue sticking out like a sore thumb.

>>70815978
Retard pol tourist, go back to your fucking /pol, please.

>>70815774
Okay rrat time
>Management needed someone to throw under the bus
>They use Elira
>Vox and Ike are there to, so Fujoshits can go rabid and attack Doki to
>Also cover so it won't seem as scripted
>Force script on them
>Tell them to use it or get Termination Lettered to(Specifically Elira)
>After The Black Stream Nijisanji sent their hit squads to Elira's house
>There's no way she could recover now

>>70814460
>Henya
don't think she was ever close to henya

>>70816007
Your concern trolling might have worked on /v/, but you are out of your element.

Keep defending virtue-signalling vtweeters, it's entertaining.

>Also, derailing this >>70815249 conversation
Are sisters trying to stop this discussion?

>>70816049
She had collabs with her both as Nova and as Elira. Not close, but they definitely have each other's phone numbers.

>>70815927
ESL tourist are you having an aneurysm?

>>70816051
>that concern trolling buzzwords
I know you are the same person as many days before kept sticking to my ass every fucking threads I make just to prove a point about how much you hated Elira as Nova. But holyshit can you give me a break and stop coming after everywhere I fucking go because I don't care about your political personal matter with a vtuber on /vt/ where your poltards don't matter a fucking cent. What fuckup things had she done to you for you to come after her 24/7 every single fucking day, anon?

>>70816131
>muh ESL tourist
Retard le tourist buzzword. Why the only thing you could mutter is "tourist"?

>>70816027
Could work if you switch hit squads with locked out of her account. Although the "throwing under the bus" probably happened after they realized how badly that stream fucked up.

>>70816155
keep avatarposting ad infinitum, you mentally ill retard, but at the very least use anonymize on 4chanx so you aren't spotted by your fucking filenames.
People can readily tell just how pants-on-head schizo you are by checking the filename on the archives.

It's embarrassing.

>>70757798
No.
"I was just following orders" is an argument still swinging from a noose in Europe.

>>70816228
>muh filename
>muh anonymize
>afraid of people spotting
I don't care. Only shitzo would try doing that to a fucking rando schizo anon. Why would I fucking care when I'm fucking nobody?

>>70816155
Holy fucking esl are you alright there Zhang?

>>70816298
You have approx. 480 posts using the exact same images (with identical MD5 hash) in the archive, running defense for Elira.
You are clearly mentally ill.

>>70816327
>be /here/
>asking people if they were normal

>>70797368
>That's just simple human nature, you want to help people you like, not people you dont.
I like people who make me money.
>but Elira shows up and stays late and does what you want
Cunt I can tell you've never worked since you think that shit matters. Your boss does not like you. You are a paycheck, that your boss has to pay. If you aren't offsetting your cost as well as your co-worker you will be penalized.

Riku isn't an employer however. Riku is a clout-chasing fuckwit trying to make an easy buck, surrounded with people just like him.
Anycolor isn't a business. It's just a 2 billion dollar retard daycare, that just set fire to the playpen.

>Sisters really don't want us to talk about the possibility of Elira being in Petra's 3D stream
So the rrat is real?

yfw she acts like nothing happened but looks like this

>>70816728
>they merged
Grim

>>70816728
>To atone for crime of killing her half-sister, Elira assumed the identity of Selen.
>It was the only say she could make up for her sins.

>>70816500
Let’s not have this make us forget the yacht is on fire. No one is gonna give a literal who to this if Riku leaves before the 15th or the shareholders meeting goes wrong. And he will likely do so because there is no way to save EN without splurging all his money and rebuilding bridges with ex-livers.

The 3D debut is 1 hour before Holofest. It’s the worse timing ever, everyone will be elsewhere. If Elira had any power and was in there the firs tthing she would do is move it. Every sane person would move it.

This is just Petra’s bucket list. It’s even an older model ffs. She’s either graduating or switching to full JP and doesn’t want to make a big deal of it.

>>70816915
>Elira shows up.
>Petra's 3D screen goes black.
> HoloFES actually gets eclipsed in CCV

>>70816798
The only way that would not suicide both Petra and Elira career, again, but also literally have people go back to the holo stream en masse.
The only way Elira can show herself there is with an apology, a graduation letter, or a message from Doki.

>>70816957
It might shake Anycolor's pact with Cover, but that would unironically do it.

>>70816985
>A message from Doki
She would have to specifically say Elira was not one of the bullies. Can't see Elira recovering from this in any other way.

>>70817188
Alternatively, if Doki boots up Tetris Effect again we can take it as a sign that she's forgiven Elira after the ass blasting she got in that game.

Why do people keep wanting Doki to address this shit, when she's stated multiple times that she wants to move on with her life. Whatever role Elira played, if she played any, Doki doesn't want to get dragged back into it.

>>70757798
no.

>>70817420
Considering last time Sayu also said the same thing and she fucking dropped 2 big documents later. I don't think so.

>>70817751
Sayu started doing that only when it started bringing positive clout. Doki was clearly distressed at the black screen. Not comparable at all.

>>70817751
Sayu's also had a lot longer to get over this. I don't want to arm chair psych her, but at this point I'm just willing to follow whatever stance she takes with this since she's in a much better head space now.

>>70817936
>she was distressed
>she was disapointed
>the people she thought were her friends betrayed her

She has to explain this too https://youtube.com/watch?v=ycxV-3La60g

>>70818005
She has finished her job. She are free to let go of the past now, bro. Grats to you. Not everyone can remain their trust to their oshi in the darkest time of their career.

>>70817420
Because one of the most entertaining parts of professional wrestling (which vtubing has pretty much mutated into) is to see the Face's traitor former friend who turned Heel against them reconcile with their friend and turn Face to bring down another bigger Heel.

>>70818047
Unironically we forced her to do that.
We joked about it for months because she kept doing 12 hour streams at that time period, so she set up a sub goal to do a 12 hour sleep stream. This one's harmless.

>>70818006
>the people she thought were her friends betrayed her
Rrats!?

>>70818097
That's...Not a bad analogy actually.

>>70819005
It was a week after the termination and absolute silence from the Niji front. It caught everyone off guard since the only warning we got was 30min before the stream. Doki wouldn't have known anything without those messages...

>>70813710
>Millie could visit her at the hospital so she’s more stable and twits support messages that are neutral enough managers approve for clout

those tweets do feel like a desperate attempt to show Elira there are still people that like her to boost her morale.
I also think there is more to it to this whole debacle

>>70819274
The punchline is that she thought Elira, Vox and Ike were her friends.

>>70819501
Like honestly, I WANT to believe that the gurrat about her being management is mostly just due to the lord of the flies bullshit they found themselves in, and Elira was just doing her best in a leadership role that she was absolutely not qualified for, so everything fell apart with bratty high school drama. Doki actually brought it up multiple times. I remember at least twice she specifically called it high school drama.

>>70819681
That is the most likely scenario. Probably put some petty bitch in upper management that had it out for Selen, because Selen was difficult to work with, while doing favors for Elira / Millie / Enna because they would work for free.

>>70819681
I feel the same unfortunatly, it's not a black and white situation. unfortunatly because I can't image the magnitude of Elira mental distress since virtually no one is on her side.
it's easier to think of her as some sort of evil psycho bitch but it would be too easy and convenient

>>70816774
>she ate her sister
h-hot!

>>70820480
Yeah, it's all pretty shades of grey.
Except Luca. Luca fucked up bad.
And Uki's a cunt.
Vox too.

At this point, she IS the black company. Can you really decouple yourself when you're a core part of what's been built for the EN side, for better or worse?

>>70757798
I'll listen to her tell her story
weather or not i believe it or it is a different matter
Even if she tells the truth what happened to her will need to be pretty bad for me to ever consider listening to her again buit i've seen too many damning tweets involving her PL that were made years ago to think she might actually be worthy of redemption

>>70770975
Sad but true.

>>70816027
Certainly having the black screen on Elira's channel, and her being named in their own statement - signals to me that they made her take the hit, because she was obviously involved.

>>70816155
Ogey Elira, but could you stop driving people to suicide like a decent human being?

>>70820727
Caught the homobeggar.

>>70822610
Well if they do plan on throwing her overboard, I wish it blows up in their faces. Assholes.

>>70820480
>I can't image the magnitude of Elira mental distress since virtually no one is on her side.
You mean besides the entire site of sisters, retarded Twitter drones, and presumably most of NijiEN that's left?

>>70814742
Qrq? I know that dude because he got called out by Hbomber on his plagiarism and straight up lies in his videos.
Don't tell me he said he attempted a hero on his life?

>>70820480
She has her paypigs, her boytoys and the entire ESL army, what the fuck are your talking about ?

>>70823497
>Shits on male Niji talents.
>Homobeggards
?

>>70757798
I'd give her a chance if she gave me a nice, gentle blowjob.

>>70826271
>her paypigs, her boytoys and the entire ESL army
With friends like these, who needs enemies?

>>70826271
>her entire esl army made out of 3 fameliras
You don't need to be that desperate

>>70826467
Elira has her army of sukikira schizos where her ranking keeps going up and her simps who still deny that she's evil. You would be surprised at how many are still membered to her after the black screen stream.

>>70826173
Yeah he put up a suicide note on twitter. That said, the latest I heard is Nick (his co-writer if you remember from the hbomberguy video) posted on bluesky that as far as he knows there is "nothing to worry about", so he's probably okay. Relevant info is all on hbomberguy subreddit.

>>70826467
The 3 ESL famelira are really noticeable in this thread. They should consider masturbating to a different vtuber to see if it helps get Elira's fat tits out of their mind long enough to see clearly.