/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>70802726
Thats actually a crazy catch! I need Riku's asshole tenderly pounded with an axe!

>>70802726
actually good news for nijisanji.

Maybe you shouldn't break the damn rule in the first place.

>>70802726
>I lost 200k
Now I see why

>>70804824
It needs to get to 3500 by the end of the week.

Seems like while this is the agreement that was signed this would be very hard to enforce across the pond

Death to Anycolor and it’s trash investors I hope Sony is damaged by their demise.

>>70805433
So for JST timezone, one more day?

>we are introducing new wave.
>one of chuuba sounds exactly like mel

>>70804824
>she doesn't know
make sure you buy it all up sis

>>70804824
Wasn’t this the result of the recent change to their stocks?

>>70805699
Mel isn't that dumb.

>>70804824
Hell yeah, sister. Keep buying, surely it will hit 4k soon. Please please please buy.

>>70806002
anon loan margin trading works both way, it can screw you, yes, but it can also help the stock's price. Nijisanji is still making money, that's why investor never really dumped their shares.

>>70802726
There is a very real chance the attempt was at least partly due to financial pressures as she was 200k in the hole at the time as well.

>>70806124
Yes

>>70802726
>Legal Mindset

>>70807011
Niji is down $200 million in buybacks though.

>>70811200
A very popular vtuber.

>>70804824
The rules are shackles for Niji livers.

Selen posted the video for approval. It took 2 fucking days for management to reply only to say they haven't even checked it yet.

>>70807793
That could definitely be an aggravating factor! After spending so much of her own personal money for Kurosanji's IP, then having Riku slap a fine on top. It'd really kill any hopes of earning a living as a vtuber.

>>70802726
She lost 200k...

>>70802726
Legal Mindset/Andrew Will soon become the legendary Brotuber the v-tuber world finally deserves

>>70811928
it's just a dramanigger
stop giving it views

>>70804824
Enough talking, start buying. If you truly support your company.
No better time to buy than now, sisters.

>>70804824
You gotta start buying it now before the price goes up and you lose out on all that money! Buy! Buy! Buy!

How would they realistically even enforce this? She already got paid her share and then Niji wants it back?
If she simply doesn't pay then Niji will have to sue her in Canada and fuck themselves over in the process.

>>70812123
Why are you so upset a grifter is hurting Nijisanji's reputation? Just let it happen.

>>70813447
What they would realistically do is withhold the balance of her earnings. Pomu graduated on January 20th and got her last check at the end of Feb. If Selen attempted to collect this they would cite their contract and make her come after them in Japan. Even if she was able to win, it wouldn't be enough money to be worth it, without a big high-paying proper graduation.

>>70813447
>She already got paid her share and then Niji wants it back?
Did she? They can delay some payments until the end of the year as a fail-safe. Sure she can get her superchats and memberships monthly, but everything else can be on a timer.

>>70802726
Can someone just throw Riku and Yasuhiro to a den of sex-crazed pajeets hungry for a vicious rape?

>>70815707
Just make sure to disguise them as women and leave them at broad daylight during Holi.

>>70811360
It's actually worse because if they actually tried to sell their shares it would tank the price even further so the actual real world price is only 60%~70% of the current price, which is why people say future expectations are already priced in.

>>70805523
Hence why Niji wants them to move to Japan.
Elira just moved there as well.

Hold on, is this why Kuro and Nina were out?
They realized if they move to Japan, the company will have full control as the the contracts or certain parts cant be enforced in the west.
Niji wanted them in Japan to make the contract fully enforcable but they saw the BS and dipped.

>>70815948
>Riku: Move and work here where we can fully enforce the contract or you are terminated.
>Okay! I can get out this con-
>Riku: Which means you also have to pay.
>I wanna graduate!
>Riku: Okay, so decide if you want to be terminated and pay or you can leave and sign this silence contract, so you cant sue us for anything you see or we do to you even if you do end up in debt because of us. Think what is best for your future.
>I
>Riku: Never mind. 14 days are up and you automatically agreed to this new contract. Now stream and make money.

>>70815948
Nina realized Niji was a dead end and always wanted to be a twitch streamer anyway. Mysta wanted more money and to get away from the gross fujo fanbase that Niji had acquired. In fact Nina has since moved to Japan, at least temporarily, so any of the "surviving clauses" on her contract would be more easily enforced right now.

>>70802726
Is this really the new rrat the schizos are peddling? That means they're able to take the total amount of money that was made on content they didn't permit that was made in the last 12 months.

>In which the second party was found to be in breach
Which means any content made without the company's permission that was released in the last year. Holy shit, I'm convinced the bulk of Doki's fans are actually SEAfags who haven't been exposed to so much English before

>>70816560
Have you read the contract? I'm pretty sure the fucking lawyers weren't exposed to much English before.

>>70802726
jezas

>>70816402
>In fact Nina has since moved to Japan, at least temporarily, so any of the "surviving clauses" on her contract would be more easily enforced right now.
Not yet. She was there on a trip, and entertained an idea of moving there in more permanent manner in the aftermath of the trip, but she didn't make any concrete decision yet and for now she's back in Canada.

>>70802726
Last cup of coffee was her suicide note

>>70818410
No, but I absolutely think the tweet to reupload the video was. That one definitely looked like "I'm done with everything" final goodbye.

>>70811200
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

>>70816402
>In fact Nina has since moved to Japan
Isn't she a size queen? There is no way she would move to japan.

>>70811499
>The rules are shackles
As opposed to rules that aren't? Bruh. Why would a company that has all the power just kind of give that away? Why are you acting as if that'd be the norm when no company anywhere would do this? No fucking shit it's a rules for thee but nor for me kind of deal, were you born yesterday or have you just never worked a day in your life?

>>70811928
You mean the guy who kept rambling about a contract in the context of a legal system that is never going to be relevant to that contract? Lmao. LM unironically made things worse for Niji critics because now they're all shitting themselves over legal fictions and inapplicable nonsense that anyone with half a wit will know is bullshit, while everyone mostly stopped talking about the actual disgusting heinous shit that the company did in February. If people keep rabidly making shit up this might genuinely end up a Niji PR win which bothers the fuck out of me. Why the fuck are you clowns commenting on a legal document when you don't know the first thing about law?! Why do you think you get told to get a lawyer to read this shit in the first place??

>>70821607
>legal system that is never going to be relevant to that contract
lmao even

>>70816191
Anon. How exactly do you think Riku would get a terminated employee to pay shit? That's not even what the contract says, but you don't know how to read a contract so you're just jumping to all sorts of conclusions.

What that clause does is give the company an excuse to withhold outstanding payments in the case of a termination, it protects them against Japanese courts trying to get them to still pay by asserting 'no they owe us money so we're deducting that from the outstanding pay instead'. It's scummy as fuck but at worst it means you won't get paid for your last month at Nijisanji (which is kind of also what the suspensions are for, to milk the employee for another month since they're not going to pay them for any of the money they make off memberships etc. during that time)

TL;DR: You're retarded, the contract doesn't say what you think it does but it's still pretty fucking bad.

>>70821607
Are you stupid or did you just miss the part where Selen pumps out fucktons of projects without Niji having to spend a dime? If they just supported her or god forbid gave her a manager and/or actually gave her the permissions she needed, she'd be pumping out projects left and right like she did as soon as she got out. She's a fucking money making free advertisement faucet and she did it all of her own volition. They were completely retarded to not only gimp her but to punish her for her tenacity.

Yeah, I can get that reasoning on the LM stuff but right now it's helping to keep Niji bad in the public mind, and I'd really like it to stay all the way until the shareholder meeting, if only to see what spin Riku cooks up.

>>70821900
>N-no a Californian court will totally get a JP company to do stuff... somehow... totally...
Yeah absolutely brother, they definitely have leverage to do that :^) The worst they can do is void a contract, which isn't going to be relevant here at all because that would still favour Nijisanji. They already got what they wanted.
>B-but then Sayu could say whatever she wants
No, she'd still be exposed to basic slander/libel laws and she'd still be risking her own reputation. Companies don't like to hire whisteblowers. Sayu is fortunately indie but being avoided for collabs because of a bad reputation is still going to hurt.

>>70821983
>Are you stupid or did you just miss the part where Selen pumps out fucktons of projects without Niji having to spend a dime?
Not sure how that's relevant but I think you need to look up the concept of a franchise, because that's how Niji are clearly running their business. Talents paying for their projects is normal. The problem with Niji is that they didn't pay artists that were contracted by the company and Selen intervened and paid them herself (noble, at least)
>If they just supported her or god forbid gave her a manager and/or actually gave her the permissions she needed, she'd be pumping out projects left and right like she did as soon as she got out.
Probably, but that's not how they run their business at all. Like I mentioned their business is run like a franchise. AnyColor is also clearly not interested in the long term as they had almost no growth and no investment in 2023, all signs point to Riku wanting to pump the stocks short term and then jumping ship sometime this year (which might well be delayed now because of the Selen mess and their stock value collapsing). Don't get too excited though, it just means the millionaire trust-fun fucker gets away with 50 million instead of 80 million... how horrible... The worst part is there is no real way to stop this fuck from getting away with it.
>She's a fucking money making free advertisement faucet and she did it all of her own volition. They were completely retarded to not only gimp her but to punish her for her tenacity.
Again, that assumes they want to work on the company and grow it. They clearly don't, either because they don't understand how or because they're just lazy rich fucks that can just as easy make money doing nothing and stunting with stocks. All your options are better in the long run, but they also require actual work.

Niji's bad reputation isn't going to matter in the long run. Niji was never going to stick around for much longer. Focus on Riku's reputation if you want to do real damage, which means focussing on general mismanagement and not 'herp derp contract bad' when most companies are just nodding and understanding that it's (from a business perspective) a pretty savvy contract (because exploitation is the goal, not a failing).

>>70822172
>The worst they can do is void a contract,
the contract is VOIDED....!?
the contract is VOIDED....!?

-nijisanji

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLLgNi5UmB0#t=3m14s

>>70821607
If it sounds and smells like a sister, it is a sister. You have to be giga retarded to warp your reasoning to be like this. Maybe there are human rights and laws for a reason, a monkey would not know that because your rule of law is non-existant. Also if it is all legal bullshit and fiction, why do you need to be afraid of it? It's fake right. Surely there is nothing to be scared of. Unless you have something to hide. Doxxtard chama...

>>70824283
If you have an argument feel free to use it instead of spouting vague nonsense and ad-hoc bullshit. You're literally just debating your own imagination instead of responding to anything I actually said.
>Also if it is all legal bullshit and fiction, why do you need to be afraid of it?
Who is 'you'? If you mean to ask why would someone who signed this contract be afraid of legal consequences then there are two main options:
1) The person who signed the document doesn't know that the document wouldn't hold up in court. And this is genuinely true for a staggering majority of 'legal' documents and contracts. This is WHY YOU GET A FUCKING LAWYER TO READ YOUR CONTRACT. I REPEAT, GET A FUCKING LAWYER TO READ YOUR CONTRACT. COMPANIES WILL LIE TO YOU AND ATTEMPT TO UNDERMINE YOUR RIGHTS IF YOU LET THEM.
2) Even just the appearance, valid or not, of breach of contract/NDA is enough to damage your reputation and cause companies to avoid you. AnyColour wouldn't even need to go to court, they can just post a document with your signature on it and accuse you of breaching your NDA and you're fucked. You could try to sue but good fucking luck you aren't getting anywhere on that front.

If you think this is a defence of Niji rather than a general warning and outline of circumstances you need to get your head out your ass and stop screaming at the 'sisters' living in your head.

>>70825580
>sister

>>70804824
Lmao. Buy buy buy.

Contract literally is illegal lul

>>70806621
Isn't she exactly that dumb tho?

>>70825967
it's actually quite common for employement contract to be that kind of scummy. I remember reading about that one guy that worked in customer service but his employement contract dictates that whaever he invented while working there and 6 months after terminated/fired/quit belongs to the company.

sue them? they will scare you with their team of lawyers.

>>70826178
Oh sorry, I forgot to mention I live in a civilized country where we have labor rights. I know, wild isn't it.

>>70826285
anon... it happened in the land of the free.

labor rights mean jackshit if noone enforcing it.

>>70826318
Again, I'm sorry its so difficult to understand that there is more than the one country called U S of A on this planet. Like I said, I live in a place where we have actual labor rights, and not the hellhole that is the US. And even in US a court would potentially void this contract or parts of it.

>>70826318
>america
>civilised country
:^)

>>70826318
America is a third world holding a LV bag, let's be real.

>>70827051
An LV bag made by actual third world slaves too, kek

>>70802726
Anon you trying to shame people who doesn't even consider it's something bad. They simply don't operate on same values and level of civilization.

>>70816402
>Mysta wanted more money and to get away from the gross fujo fanbase
Lol but that retard is nobody without fujo fanbase

>>70815948
The reason why you need to give 3 months notice in advance for graduation is because, once your visa expires, you have 3 months to get it renewed.

>>70806621
she's literally that dumb.

>>70802726
Wouldn't not paying someone for the work they did literally be illegal?

>>70827366
Never said he was smart. Dude got himself into a tax evasion situation because he thought it didn't count if he spent money in the Philippines instead of the UK. Didn't realizing having a residency permit in Indonesia was not the same as becoming a citizen.

>>70822766
>most companies are just nodding and understanding that it's (from a business perspective) a pretty savvy contract (because exploitation is the goal, not a failing)
Is this slew of companies who have publicly approved of Nijisanji's contract in the room with us right now?

>>70831083
People with ADHD are notoriously bad with managing finances. It doesn't surprise me one bit he screwed the pooch on that.
Source: I have ADHD

>>70811200
A name that makes sisters writhe.

>>70831083
In his defense, he was using a Nijisanji accountant, and taking his word for it.

>>70830073
Yes, it's called wage theft.
Do people really believe that Nijisanji would actually risk committing serious labor law violations? She probably mismanaged her finances like she said she did.

>>70811200
NIJISEETHE

>>70832038
Nijisanji doesn't have accountants in the UK, they recommended one to him, probably just by googling it. Random people can't just be accountants, you have to be certified, and a trained accountant wouldn't make a $300,000 error like that. What most likely occurred was he thought he could buy property in the Philippines for his family and then it wouldn't count against his taxes in the UK, or that they wouldn't know because it's another country. So he just didn't tell the accountant. He's not smart.

>>70827366
To be fair, I'd rather be a nobody with a small fanbase of people who actually like me for who I am, than be a somebody with a fujo fanbase.

>>70832882
>Do people really believe that Nijisanji would actually risk committing serious labor law violations?
absolutely.

>>70804824
nijikeks ALWAYS post the market summary of a single day, never 1 month. What are you orangutans so afraid of?

>>70830073
If you go to work at McDonalds, quit after 6 months, and don't return the shirt they gave you they can deduct it from your final paycheck. There are versions of 'withholding pay' that are legal, but they're generally pretty limited.

>>70832882
>wage theft
Is insanely under prosecuted and is so widespread it accounts for around 60% of all theft in the US by $ value

You losers should fuck off to twitch or tumblr or something. No one cares about nijienshit. Go away, stop making spam threads. You are cringe and your drama fags are cringe.

>>70833982
Which isn't even accounting for the fact that all wage is theft in the first place.

>>70815948
btw Nijisanji would have had to OK Kuro and Matara joining VShojo or Gunrun had their lawyers look at this contract and realized it was unenforceable trash.
They both joined well before 6 months had passed after graduation.

>>70835296
It's perfectly enforceable. Since 'Vtuber' is defined as "someone using Anycolor's IP to perform video shit". Matara and Kuro didn't become vtubers by Anycolor's definition.

>>70835879
I don't think that's what's implied by this statement and what you're referring to is the definition of "VTuber Activities"
The character they previously played is covered by the sections regarding IP, not this (Anycolor has all the rights).

>>70836106
No, it's the definition of VTuber. They defined VTuber and then used the term without qualification in the document. Any ambiguity is the fault of the drafter.

So yes, 15.5 is already handled by their copyright over the IP.

>>70835296
>non-compete clause
>across borders
>enforcable
lmao

>>70836404
Amusingly, Article 2 is at best hanging by a thread because of its reliance on the defined terms. I think Article 2, though, largely doesn't even prohibit Party B from signing as a different character with a different agency WHILE the VTuber is an active participant in the program.

Article 2 prohibits Party B from performing "the VTuber Activities" defined in Article 3 for a third party while the contract is in full effect. Let's read Article 3 to find out what "the VTuber Activities" means.

The VTuber activities consist of, expanding the defined terms referenced in Article 3, emphasis added:
(1) Performing the Distribution of the Contents ("live streaming or uploading of Images, Etc. on the Video
Hosting Service Account designated by Party A AS THE CHARACTER designated by Party A")
(2) Performing the Social Media Disseminating ("blogging, tweeting, writing, and other dissemination of
information AS THE CHARACTER on the Social Media Account")
(3) Performance and appearance on television, radio, records, videos, movies, plays, concerts, commercials, etc.
(4) Conducting press conferences for television, radio, newspapers, magazines, etc.
(5) Any other matters ancillary or related to any of the above items

So, Party B is an active VTuber under the contract while the contract is in full effect. Items (3)-(5) do generically prohibit a lot of different kinds of publicity appearances and publishing physical phonorecords, but live streaming with a virtual avatar of a different character, and making social media posts as a different character are specifically defined only with reference to those activities if performed AS THE CHARACTER designated in the individual agreement.

A court may resonably construe (3)'s "videos, movies, plays, concerts, commercials, etc." as including live streams, but it seems to at least be a slam dunk that you can be a pre-debut vtweeter with a different character, and probably even do live streams with that character, while you are still active with Nijisanji

>>70837456
It does seem that way. 3.1.3 would definitely hit livestreaming unless you had a truly sympathetic judge. 3.1.5 could hit tweeting with a particularly unsympathetic judge. But that's betting a lot on a couple vague lines when you should have a lot bigger guns to fire.

>>70835879
Just because you put something in a contraction doesn't make it enforceable. Noncompete aren't enforced whatsoever in a lot of jurisdictions. In the ones where they are valid there is a high bar for essentiality to the business (can just tag everyone employee with them by default), time limit (this satisfies that requirement), geographic scope ("the internet" does not count), and does not bar the person from practicing their given trade entirely. It's hard to argue someone is a core economic asset to your company when you have 200 employees in the exact same position, and said employee might be worth 1% or less of your company's revenue generation. The geographical scope is also impossible to satisfy since internet entertainers just don't have that. There's no way to "only practice medicine on the south side of town for 2 years".

>>70838051
You misunderstand the conversation. It's perfectly enforceable because it doesn't claim anything. Taking Nina as an example, the contract says "You can't play the Nina character for a third party for 6 months after you graduate". No shit, she can't play Nina because she doesn't own the IP anyway. So it's perfectly enforceable, even if non-competes are generally invalid. The contract doesn't say anything about playing any other characters at all, so she's fine to immediately turn around and play Matara Kan.

What I'm saying is this: Whoever wrote this was stupid and fucked up their non-compete clause.

>>70836404
Damn they're retarded. You can see what they intended, but you're right. They defined the term and said that meant their own IP, so there's actually nothing stopping any liver from dipping and joining another corpo immediately, so long as it's under a new character.
Man, they really should have considered paying someone more than minimum wage to come up with this shit.

>>70839675
>paying someone more than minimum wage
YOU CAN DO THAT?

>>70841482
Paying someone minimum wage tells them "I'd pay you less if I could"
Making someone a contractor while treating them like an employee tells them "Actually I'm gonna pay you nothing"

>>70802726
>>70805316
That's a solid rrat.