/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>70764850
>your fucking computer
That's COMPANY PROPERTY!

>>70764850
>>70764902
Anon it's worse then that. They claim your voice as Nijisanji property.

>>70764850
Ah yes, they steal your computer after you quit despite people clearly being able to stream after quitting immediately. You faggots are really grasping at straws here

>>70764973
>tfw nijisanji legal team shows up at your door to harvest your vocal cords and organs

>>70764973
(you) are niji property and (you) will like it

>>70765076
Sayu's first stream back was in May, two months after the termination

>>70765076
Mysta had a dual PC setup.
Pomu Doesnt have a PC right now, where'd it go? who knows probably pp magic.
Selen had to get a PC sponsor.
Nina.. gunrun.

>>70765076
>Month of silence where she was looking for an exit strategy
>Worst case scenario where her computer did get swiped, she probably had an older rig to use
Cmon I know /vt/ is full of retards but do you not have an ounce of creativity or critical thinking?

>surrender your eyewear to Nijisanji

>>70764973
Guys they just leaked the audition process for the next round!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ru-gDcVNyU

>>70765415
>local autistic Anon saving their recently terminated oshi
https://youtu.be/TrRbB-qUJfY?feature=shared

>>70765076
Do you live under a rock? u can buy a pre-built PC under 10 seconds.

>>70765347
>ounce of creativity
I'm shouldn't have to be creative to create scenarios in my mind where Niji Ninjas go around the globe and swipe any technology people who quit or got fired used at their job. Just accept that it's retarded

>>70765628
>I'm shouldn't
Yes, Paki-chan, you're shouldn't.

>>70764850
Pomu...

>>70764850
>Your dog was heard barking in the background of one of your streams
>Nijisanji fires you
>Your dog is now legally theirs

>>70765628
>Just accept that it's retarded
I accept that it's retarded, we see what they're doing in the open, and it's retarded.

>>70764850

Did they take Mysta's fleshlight and Mika's dildo too?

>>70764850
I know I'm getting crucifixed for this but imagine that the only reason Pomu can't get back to be someone is because she would need to never set foot again in Japan due to this fucking contract, and she's too idol dependant to do that.

>>70766083
Matara and Kuro went to Japan and they were fine.

>>70764850
This is just a regular clause. Technically Nerissa's family are the property of Cover but sure niji bad for taking the hard drive with all of niji's software and fires on it.

>>70766237
Source on the Cover contract?

>>70766237
>Technically Nerissa's family are the property of Cover
Wrong.
Stop spreading lies.

>>70764850
Where's my trafficked free use nijis?

>>70766334
It's real
t. Nerissa's brother

>>70766407

Hi bro!
t. Nerissa

>>70765076
The joke is that if you interpret the contract to its logical extreme, they CAN attempt to repossess your streaming equipment. "That's silly, there's no way that would be legally enforceable! Surely common sense would prevail!" The thing is that legal contracts have to rely on clearly-defined limits, not some vague notion of "common sense" - you'll open yourself up to lawsuits otherwise.
So basically, the only thing stopping them from sending repo ninjas after your PC is because there are laws against such contracts. Just because they can't, doesn't mean they don't want to. And, depending how good they are at intimidation tactics, they could scare a liver into handing the equipment over.

>>70765607
Yes, buying all the pre-built streaming gear is like front page Amazon shit.

>>70766599

Literally 99% of streamers right there. They don't give a fuck lol.

>>70766231
Visiting and living are two different things. You get tried under the country you are in (what the contract says doesn't fucking work once you are out of it, that's not how international laws work).

Reminder that ypu spend your own money to start up your vtubing career, yet they will swoop in and posses all your shit when they feel pissed off at you. Management deliberated decision.

>>70766542
That's true in America, but I'm not entirely sure in Japan. If they try that shit sending someone to Canada they would legitimately get arrested for theft.
At worse you would be forced to never use any of those files on your PC for anything at all, but you would still own them. This contract instead is absolutely schizo.

I guess this explains why she has so many technical difficulties despite this kind of thing being scarce during her time at niji.

>>70764850

>>70766334
the characters the family portrays are probably cover property, its not like her family members can start an indie career and use the png of their family stream as their persona

>>70765312
>Pomu Doesnt have a PC right now, where'd it go? who knows probably pp magic.
She's literally in Japan, away from home.
>Selen had to get a PC sponsor.
She had to setup her old PC she's always had.

>>70767001
Dokis case was about the old model and obs scenes. She runs them on the newer pc-kun.

>>70766914
Those specific designs yes but that's not what the retarded sister was saying.

>>70765076
Calm down sister

>>70764850
i will take 98% and everything you owned
-Nijisanji

>>70764850
>>70764973
>do a handcam for niji
>get terminated
>they send people to your house to chop off your hands

>>70767001
Pomu only said she left her laptop at home. She didn't say anything about PC being there.

>>70764973

>>70767204
98%? If they fire you for "betrayal" they take 100% of your profits for the year. And if you were already paid, they put you in debt.

>>70767242
She didn't also say anything about oxygen, there is no air in there!

>>70764850
>your fucking computer
It stopped being your computer for a long time

>>70764850
streamed with mom before
>Riku comes to your house and say she's his mom now

>>70767398
Wait till you find out what PC stands for

Taken to it's logical extreme, nijisanji is making mad bank off of their JPs. They take your PC, your clothes, yur house and your used ramen cups; and then they can't say anything or they will be jailed for defamation.

>>70766237
If Niji wants a hard drive they should have purchased and mailed it to them. Company property instead of personal property. Then they could say "we require the return of all company property" instead of "lel give us everything related to streaming bro"

>>70764850
>steal
If they lend it to you then it's not stealing. A lot of jobs lend equipment for you to do the work, like vehicles. You don't fucking keep them for yourself, you retard.

>>70765168
Your throat is Arasaka--, I mean, Nijisanji property.

>>70767516
What does PhaseConnect have to do with anything?

>>70767630
>Nijisanji can decide you need something to do your job and will not provide it or pay you for it, it's considered a breach of contract if you don't buy it out of pocket
They don't lend shit, anon, come on now

>>70765076
>>70764850
Pomu also mentioned using an Iphone while working there that she gave away to her mother after graduating

>>70767372
You're certainly suffering from oxygen deficiency, Paki-chan.

>>70767630
The only thing they lend is the iphone with the NijiApp (and the DS devkit some organs use to stream DS games), the rest is on the organ.

And the contract is so poorly worded that if you buy a PC to stream they can claim it's company property and repo it if you get terminated.

you guys are fucking retarded, this is how every WFH company works. They give you a computer and when you leave the company, you mail it back to them.

>>70765168
>and organs
>operates like crime organization
>calls their streamers livers
>they own you
>they own your liver
now i truly see

>>70765168
I thought it was bad enough that they own your liver.

>>70766237
Source on Nerissa's contract doko?

>>70765746
Amber...

>>70766788
As the guy said, it's not valid in the US either. They'd get arrested for theft all the same. Requesting anything beyond what the company provided would get shot down, and it's likely they really only meant that they wanted their iphone with their proprietary app back. They just wrote the section badly enough that it can be claimed to apply to the entire house you live in because your room's acoustics are part of livestreaming.

Most of the contract is invalid in the US and presumably Canada, so this is just another invalid section.

>>70767983
Show me anywhere in the contract where it says they actually provide their livers with equipment.

>>70766237
sister paki-chan...

>>70767259
hehehehehe

>>70767983
Nigger, the only thing they are given is the fucking company phone they use for facial tracking

>>70764902
It's no wonder Mirei needed to use that fucking black blob for months after having her computer, Iphone and the last year of her salary taken because of a baseball joke.

>>70764850
>ANIKARA CAN STEAL YOUR FUCKING MONKEY

>>70768120
To be fair to them, they provide a great amount of...1800$ to start your carreer. Optionally. If they deem it necessary. At their own discretion.
And if you don't get ready for when they say it, they can fine you for it.

If that counts for you....

>>70765987
as if Mysta didn't have eight dildoes cast in the shape of his genmates

>>70768335
NOT THE MONKEY

>>70768391
>to start your career
1800 refers to anything the company may provide throught your entire career, not just for debut. It's also not required if they deem it unecessary, it's just an upper limit.

>>70768391
>To be fair to them, they provide a great amount of...1800$ to start your carreer.
MAY provide, if they deem it necessary.

>>70768292
im pretty sure that they are not getting phone from the company either

>>70764850
can't have shit in the yacht

>>70768497
They probably are. The app gives access to all their models and stuff if their security is poor, which is basically the only value the company has.

>>70768120
I don't have their contract, but you can expect the talents to have company issued equipment that can only connect to the internet via their discrete VPN and firewall. This is a common infosec/cybersec practice used virtually everywhere. AC would be retarded not to follow this practice.

>>70764850
>>70764902
>>70764973
>>70765076
>get fired from construction job
>THEY STEAL YOUR FUCKING EXCAVATOR

>You have to buy your own streaming equipment
>Btw that is also now legally ours lmao
What in the goddamn?

Yeah so if you actually read the contract instead of whatever schizophrenic wrote this, you can see it's specifically about things that were LENT to the talent for the purpose of the job.

Anything Nijisanji gives them is supposed to be given back, you know, like most jobs

>>70768813
>reddit spacing
okay retard.

>>70764850
>>Get fired from job as a liver
>>They steal your fucking liver

>>70768741
Do you even need to get fired? Shouldn't all of that apply also when the contract expires?

>>70768813
Cope

>>70766599
And tell me how long it takes to ship a PC to their places. Prove anyone had to buy an entirely new PC and phone after they left Niji

>>70768741
i actually got to keep a free pair of worn work overalls they gave, even when i was just a few months at a construction place

>>70768813
anything under 1000 is a write-off here

>>70768813
pakichan, ninjasanji is not lending anyone shit.

>>70768120
Clearly haven't even read the contract you're shit talking. I expect no less of Dokifags

>>70768877
>You job requires living.
>Nijisanji steals your soul

>>70768813
It doesn't say that. It saying any Material related to livestreaming.

>>70768684
LMAO This requires infrastructure, support staff and money. Who do you think AnyColor is? They wouldn't be in this mess if they functioned as a competent multinational corp. They couldn't organise an orgy in a brothel.

>>70764850
kinda sounds like nijisanji needs to touch grass

So the only thing nijien is offering
>sponsorships you may not get as indie
>exposure
>mental illness

>Melody finally retires
>Boobs: Gone
>Ass: Erased
>Vagina: Obliterated

>>70764850
*YOINK* Yachts don't pay for themselves after all

I'm getting fucked up vibes from nijisanji... they're starting to look like a goddamn concentration camp. People like enna are the ones who wear armbands and order firing squads to gun down innocent jews... I think they wanted to literally kill selen

>>70769032
>Party B shall procure the Marerials under its own costs and responsibility
>Party A MAY lend the materials FOR VALUE
Fucking have you?

>>70767398
Even back then, "My Computer" was the OS telling you that your computer doesn't belong to you. If it did it would say "Your Computer". What it really means is "Bill Gates' Computer".

>>70764850
GPUs are expensive, understandable

>>70769207
>>sponsorships you may not get as indie
>>exposure
nyo, you get only mental illness. well exposure too, but this is not the kind of exposure that i would want.

>>70769296
Hi Richard.

>>70769032
"the governing law of this agreement shall be the laws of japan, tokyo court shall have exclusive jurisdiction"

yeah, i don't think that´s how that works in international hirings.

>>70764850
So like, if I bought my mic from newegg and my chair from amazon, I gotta return them back to both companies?

>>70769659
None of this even matters. Like the canadian lawyer guy said, even if the talent breaks every single rule in this contract, they're not going to get extradited.

>>70769207
>sponsorships you may not get as indie
Remember we've never seen that part of the contract and that's negotiated separately. That could be 2% too.
>exposure
Yeah exposure to mentally ill sisters. Nice harrassment task force you got there Niji. Fucking useless cunts
>mental illness
See above

>>70769659
A surprising amount of people don't realize that just because something's written in a contract doesn't make it legally binding. Especially the starry eyed aspies that vtubing attracts who likely haven't even had a real job prior.

>>70769288
>article 4 , 1. (2)
"up to 200 000 yen"
which is 1200 dollars,
tough banana when good streaming equipment with all its accessories and programs and such costs like 7000 dollars.
so if they have provided less than 10%, nisijanji does not own anything, at most the vtuber returns their pitiful 1200 dollars.

>>70767259
>tfw Nijisanji is just Ursula

>>70764850
What happens if you go through a transplant or medical implant surgery while you're in niji?

>>70769930
That's also not a required payment, it's an upper limit of what they're willing to provide, if deemed necessary- over the course of your career. Also yes, there's literally nothing stopping you from just saying "no" to any of this.

>>70769930
>tough banana when good streaming equipment with all its accessories and programs and such costs like 7000 dollars
This is your brain on America.

>>70769996
You ever see the movie Repomen?

>>70769807
Nijisanji can still send a lawyer to wherever to represent them and still win the case if it breaks the law of the country they're in. That's what Depp did against some British news paper for defamation

>>70770248
and they can easily say "come and take my money". Hell, even if nijisanji and the talent were both located in america, the best nijisanji could actually do is send strongly worded letters. they could maybe get a lien placed if their lucky.

>>70770248
Governing law clause in the contract fucks them up.

>>70769930
>>70770099
What computers are you fucks looking at that cost 7k?

>>70769996
They can adjust the contract to say whatever they want and you've automatically accepted it after 14 days.
They could terminate you because you didn't 'immediately' respond to their inquiries.

>>70768741
>get hired for a construction job
>company says you can't enter the construction site without proper PPE and (but won't provide it)
>buy it
>buy a rotary drill because you must bring your own too
>get fired
>company claims the hardhat and drill you bought is now company property

>>70769903
We signed a franchise contract with a foreign company. Business was bad enough but with the royalties owed, it would have bankrupt us if we paid what the contract was asking for. We ended up just stopping communication altogether and ignored any legal letter they tried to send

What were they gonna do, spend more money than what we owe themffor flight and legal costs?

>>70770629
don't forget they can tell you to tweet something like "actually i love nijisanji so much i don't even want to be paid!" without context, amend your contract to say "actually you don't get paid, you work out of love for the company" without notifying you, then count that tweet they had you put out as you accepting the adjustment.

>>70770776
amending it so there is no consideration paid at all actually would invalidate the contract. they would have to at least pay you a token amount of consideration. the term for this is "peppercorn".

>>70770714
exactly. this is how things actually turn out in real life. too many people see le scary pdf and lose their minds. it's worth the same as the tp used to wipe your ass

>>70764850
>brap on stream
>chat goes nuts, get embarrassed to all hell
>get fired over damaging the company image
>but now you used your ass to produce stream content
>a Niji squad with a hacksaw is knocking on the door, ready to steal your ass
>later, your ass is displayed alongside the silver buttons in Riku's office

>>70770427
They could legally establish the framework of the contract because of the clause which means that the person who signed the contract agreed to be subject to the laws of the country stated in the contract

They could also choose to not try to argue the governing law clause and just sue them while operating under the laws of the member's country. They could realistically sue them if they wanted to

>>70764902
I think asking for the streaming equipment they gave you, pc/cam phone included is standard. But the fucked up part is they ask for the earnings you made while in the company.

>>70765076
The contract literally said it applied to things given to the talents from the company (like the phone). People here just can’t read

>>70771034
You can sue anyone anywhere of course, but when the contract explicitly states that any contract disputes must be handled in X particular court and you wrote the contract, any other court would just throw it away.

>>70770629
>after 14 days
>immediately

I didn't know half a month was nothing to you. The contract states that if they alter the contract and you don't bring up any issues you have with the changes with half a month, they'll treat it like you don't have any issues. If you choose to continue your activities under them without saying anything about issues with the contract changing, they'll assume you have no issues with the contract as well. It's pretty standard

>>70770938
Thank you brapman, your insights are just what /vt/ needed.

>>70770938
there is actually a specific clause prohibiting the VTuber from "Making unnecessary noise when broadcasting the contents". so, according to the terms of the contract, Party A would not have to prove reputational damage from the brap noise to impose penalties. they would only have to demonstrate that the brap noise was unnecessary.

>>70764850
It's norm for companies that provide hardware to get said hardware back, but with how unhinged japanese corporate is and the lackluster/ambiguous order, I wouldn't be fucking surprised if they indeed would try and get your fucking computer lmao.

>>70770601
Hmm. Let's see what numbers we can get. Caveat: Trying to keep to brand names without blowing the price up.

A good prebuilt that can handle gaming and streaming at the same time is probably $2k
A couple good monitors would be $400
They want singing so can't go with a blue yeti. A Shure SM7B should be good enough starting out: $400
A TC-Helicon GoXLR balances quality with price: $345
An Elgato for any non PC capture: $200
Stream deck for quick expression changing: $150
Vtuber, so no fancy lights needed
Those sound proofing squares everyone has to reduce echo: $40
Handcam webcam: $130 (could probably go cheaper)
ASRM binaural microphone I can find: $420

That's $3630 and should be a pretty solid set up. Special ASMR mic would bring it up to $4050. Add another grand maybe to get a switch and console or something. That's the max I can think of.

>>70764850
>corporation literally allowed to seize the worker's means of production by their own contractual terms
No wonder she has become a seething anti-capitalist.

>>70771320
>I didn't know half a month was nothing to you.
My contract once got stuck somewhere in the corporate for TWO MONTHS until they remembered about it.
Funny shit is that they did have contract with my company, so they still paid for those.

>>70767242
I would say her mentioning her laptop specifically would be because it explains why she does twitter space instead of streaming.

>>70771320
Those were two separate lines idiot. If you don't immediately respond to them about anything, it's a violation of the contract. If they say "We want a meeting now" you have to give them a meeting now, even if you're in a coma. The contract is written poorly.
Separately, if you don't respond within 14 days due to being in the hospital they can modify the contract as they wish.

>>70771476
>unnecessary
I don't know how I feel about biological functions being considered unnecessary. It is in character for Anycolor though.

>>70766788
That’s not the point. The point is that the biggest vtuber company in the world is saying you have to do this, and you, a naive teenager/twenty-something menhera who can’t hold down a normal job (let’s be real, most vtubers are this), are not going to question them because Anycolor is big and scary and famous and have lots of lawyers.

>>70764850
thank god I can legally shoot nijisisters who try to steal MY property!

>>70771245
If a person signed a contract with a governing law clause and breaks the contract, they could obviously still be sued. Let's call the signer person B and call the boss who writes the contract person A

Person B signs the contract stating that the governing law clause will apply to the laws of the state of Minnesota but Person B lives in the UK. Person B essentially just signed an agreement to be subject to the laws of Minnesota. Person A wants to sue because Person B broke the contract. Any lawsuit that would be initiated against Person B would be under the laws he agreed to be under. This puts any lawyer that person B would hire in a disadvantage due to probably not being familiar with foreign laws or Person B would have to spend extra money on a lawyer that is familiar with those laws.

>>70764850
>use /vt/ while working at Nijisanji
>/vt/ is now Nijisanji's property

>>70771628
>A good prebuilt that can handle gaming and streaming at the same time is probably $2k

Don't they do two computers? One for streaming and one for gaming? Especially people with the more detailed models or who play more intensive games?

>>70765076
>expecting dramafags to have brains or have ever had a job in their lives

>>70771875
Most streamers and vtubers don't AFAIK. It really complicates the setup. They usually go for a beast of a PC instead.

>>70771476
>Making unnecessary noise when broadcasting the contents
so... ike is suspended for the water bottle crinking?

>>70771852
does that make the posters niji property too?

>>70767213
>Sayu's persona being a cyborg isn't just kayfabe

>>70764850
Can someone edit the "you'll own nothing and be happy" meme with Riku?

>>70771747
The word "immediately" was never used. People have missed meetings and haven't received any punishment except a scolding and a rescheduling of the meeting.

And obviously if you cannot physically dispute the changes in a contract due to being in fucking coma, they legally aren't able to hold you in the contract that was changed when you pulled a Rip Van Winkle

>>70771836
>Any lawsuit that would be initiated against Person B would be under the laws he agreed to be under
Initiated where? You don't initiate trial under US laws in UK. Person B might be perfectly ok with trial in absentia since they don't have any US assets.

>>70771875
Dual PC for streaming is a fucking meme. It barely helps and makes everything a lot more complicated

>Where is the fucking leak? I can't find it.

>>70764850
funny when even smaller corps like idol gives their talents a huge starter pack worth thousands of dollars and let's them keep everything even after graduation. how anyone runs defense for this black fucking company is beyond me

>retards think that just because something is written in a contract means it's legal

>>70772393
This. Extradition laws are an absolute bitch, basically your country has to consider the crime valid to get you in the other one. You can easily send the contract to a tribunal, appeal your extradition, and they will be forced to try you first in your country.
There are literal terrorist in EU countries that were safe from others EU countries because extradition is that bad. And those were criminal charges.

>>70772515
it probably is legal(in japan)

>>70771875
Two computer? In this era of graphic port DRM?

>>70768104
So did they write it this way on purpose hoping to actually extort some gullible livers' personal property, or did they do it out of incompetence? Because neither option looks good on them

>>70772569
Which means jack shit unless you are Japanese. Lawyer up, it's that fucking simple.

>>70764973
this is hollyjew tier jewtry

>>70772608
Don't even need a lawyer, just tell them to fuck off and go on with your life

What a retarded bad faith reading. Why are dramafags like this?

>>70772393
If the trial is about a contract breach that has a governing law clause, the court or tribunal would apply the laws specified to interpret terms and determine the obligations of the involved people. This is also to ensure Person B would properly be fined instead of avoiding punishment

>>70772608
No shit, if you live anywhere that isn't Japan you can probably just tell them to fuck off with no actual consequences lol
never let a jap try to bully you legally when you live in the USA or somewhere reasonable

>>70765076
They obviously can't do it but why fucking put it in the contract? The whole thing reads like intimidation coming from a highschooler pretending to be a lawyer.
>Yeah bro we can retroactively take away all your earnings lmao also our contracts are the only in the world that are "sign to reject" you accepted if the signature field is blank

>>70772515
>Signs to be under laws of the country the company is in
>Breaks the laws of the country the company is in
>"Surely I'll be safe from the consequences because they can't catch me"

This is what you trannies think happen. They'll send a lawyer to represent them and sue anyways. No extradition needed

>>70772923
>Breaks the laws
Breaking contract isn't illegal and niji wouldn't go after someone for a few grand

>>70772923
On the assumption that the contract doesn't follow the laws of the country you live in, they can't do shit to you. You aren't being extradited on a civil suit. They can sue you in Japan all they want. It won't matter. You don't live in Japan. You don't own any assets in Japan that they can seize. If they try to sue you in your home country, then their case would be thrown out because the contract is unenforceable.

>>70769032
I ripped the text, formatted it a bit, and put it back into a pdf since I was tired of not being able to ctrl-f

https://files.catbox.moe/pa0iul.pdf

>>70772581
Incompetence. They probably just wanted their iphone back.

>>70773409
anon also made a very clean transcript by hand:
>>70772374

>>70773532
Oh nice, didn't see that.

>>70773316
>If they try to sue you in your home country, then their case would be thrown out because the contract is unenforceable
>Dumbass who knows nothing about law

Read the thread. The governing law clause makes it so if you sign to be under a different country's laws, the court will operate under the framework of that country's law since you signed to be under them. They're not just going to ignore that. The company will just send a lawyer or hire a lawyer in your country and sue you anyway. You can't just weasel yourself out of a lawsuit by being in a different country

>>70771476
>You have to pay Nijisanji to brap on stream

>>70773647
It means they have to sue in Japan. A Canadian Judge isn't going to try to enforce a contract according to Japanese laws because they don't know Japanese laws. Which also means that livers are supposed to sue in Japan instead of their home country.

>>70773647
Yeah I don't know why you think a judge from one country is going to speedread another country's laws and try to do a trial based on that. That's utterly retarded.

>>70768813
you're definitely gonna post the part of the contract that specifies that, since you read it and all, right?

>>70770938
I would photoshop Riku into this if I wasn't about to go to bed

>>70773647
Don't think Canadian judge would be using Japanese framework in this one, champ.
Maybe international law but not other country's law.

>>70773905
For contract disputes. Labor laws violations are exclusive to Canada, but similarly pulling Niji to Canada is not trivial.

>>70773647
The governing law clause is a defense. If Selen sues them they can claim that it's in the improper jurisdiction because they both agreed to the contract according to Tokyo's laws. So the Canadian court could, in theory, dismiss the case due to improper jurisdiction. This doesn't mean that judge now has to learn the entirety of Japanese law to handle the case.

To be clear, governing law and jurisdiction are different concepts but they rely heavily on each other and, unless otherwise specified, go hand in hand.

>>70764850
I'd make kurosanjiagents that try to show up to my house into take my earned property into target practice dummies

>>70774403
Maybe they'd just default, and the only assets they have to seize to repay any debts are Millie and Enna's slave contracts. So best case scenario Doki would end up owning those two.

Imagine being the guy that gets to go to a livers house and steals their fucking computer. I want that job.
Actually hell I would let them have it if the girls had sex with me.

>>70772576
I know Sayu uses 2 pcs

>>70772895
Because it's specifically talking about things given to them by the company to use for work. People here are just illiterate or blinded by their hatred for Nijisanji.

>>70774927
>illiterate
Anon, that contract is half machine translated japanese, half ESL editing. No amount of literacy will make it clear and concise.

>>70774569
>Actually hell I would let them have it if the girls had sex with me.
How much would you bet they use yakuza underlings in JP exactly for that?

>>70767583
>Taken to it's logical extreme, nijisanji is making mad bank off of their JPs. They take your PC, your clothes, yur house and your used ramen cups; and then they can't say anything or they will be jailed for defamation.
Damn they could make mad bank auctioning off graduation panties

>>70775216
By yakuza, do you mean Niji executives? Im pretty convinced there isnt much of a difference at this point.

>>70764850
>Get fired from Nijisanji
>They take back your Sanji figures

What does Nijisanji want all those computers for? That just seems petty and small-minded. Are they carting that shit to sofmap to make a quick 100 bux?

>>70775700
For nudes of the girls would be my guess.

>>70767242
The laptop is relevant because you can travel with it, you need to know if she left her coffee machine at home too?

>>70764850
Is this only if you get "terminated", "graduated" or both?

>>70766334
>stop spreading lies
you are in a thread where the op is taken out of context

One of our Livers posted here
THIS IS NOW OUR THREAD AND THESE ARE NOW OUR POSTS

>>70774568
I just had a vivid mental image of those two on all fours, wearing nothing but dog collars with leashes. Doki is holding the other end of the leashes, a smug grin on her face.
I.... I think I need a moment.

>>70776602
The contract lacks the term "graduation". For graduation, or termination on mutual agreement, they give you another contract to sign depending on situation (and that contract can override some of the survival clauses of the main one).

>>70764850
>seems to be
Dokinigs really are just psychotically reaching for anything at this point. Audience really does reflect the streamer.

>>70776791
Claim ownership of dees

>>70773968
>>70774381

You fuckers don't know how anything works. If the court is unfamiliar with the laws they're working under due to it being from a different country, they can get testimony from someone whomever is familiar and an expert, the lawyers will legally brief them of laws that are relevant to the case, they take judicial notice , they consult a foreign court, abd this is the final and most important one

They just fucking research the laws on their own.

>>70766316
>>70766334
>>70768054
>>70768160
>>70766914
sorry, but >>70766237 is not only right, but underselling it. Cover actually has the all the Ravencroft females indentured as human cattle hooked up to hololive-branded milking machines 8 hours per day

>>70777341
Hot...

>>70768813
N-NO I MUST GET ANGRY AT EVERYTHING BECAUSE /vt/ TOLD ME!!!

>>70777341
Hot

>>70768813
yeah but this is funnier

>>70764850
if a niji organ was open about being in a relationship and then having childbirth ASMR stream, would that kid technically be nijisanji property?

>>70764850
>Be poor chuuba
>Sign the contract
>Now poorer
>Need to keep working to make Riku money
>Riku owns everything you do
How does one find this life attractive?

>>70777249

>>70777848
The chain gang songs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPTCq3LiZSE

>>70777341
Hot...

>>70777848
>>70777978
Sometimes 2% is a real cool hand.

>>70774927
1. Party B shall procure the Materials, etc. under its own costs and responsibility

2. Nonwithstanding the provisions in the preceding paragraph, Party A may lend the Materials, etc. for value or gratuitously


This allows the company to claim anything that you buy that fits the description of 'Material' that they are 'lending you'

definition of Material

“Materials, Etc” means Smartphones, Applications, software related to the Program, manuals, systems, materials, and other equipment necessary for VTuber activities

computers would qualify under equipment necessary for Vtuber activities.

I dont see any qualifier that limits the 'Material' to what the company pays.

>>70776602
when a contract ends, that is the termination of the contract. from a contractual perspective, graduation is a type of termination. typically, the vtuber community uses "termination" to describe a unilateral termination, where the agency ends the contract without agreement from the talent, and uses "graduation" to describe a mutually agreeable termination of the contract. this distinction doesn't really exist for the purpose of those provisions. when the contract terminates (whether a unilateral "termination" or mutually agreeable "graduation"), the talent is to return anycolor's property to the company.

>>70778224
Okay, if you were to use your pet to hype up your streams and it becomes a frequen act in your program. Would Nijisanji be entitled to take it from you because of this clause?

>>70768012
hehe

>>70778224
So i think the obvious thing is that it's -intended- to mean you give back anything they lent you, it's just worded poorly. I doubt anyone here actually thinks Niji is coming to your house and throwing your PC in their trunk. It's just funny that it's totally possible to interpret it that way.

>>70772576
HDCP and it's ilk are only used for shit like netflix, not games.

>>70767988
>now you know why they have legally clarify on the contract they aren't a criminal organization

>>70777341
Hot

>>70764850
So you're saying management could take possession of Hex's toy, or that of any of the other livers?

>>70777901
They could still change what court would cover the case due to harsh circumstances and even if they don't, the defendant getting sued could just hire a lawyer to defend them and send them to Japan. There are multiple different ways Nijisanji could sue Doki and not much ways she can sue them unless her claims of harassment are real

>>70778748
>"... and the Dildo, too."
>"Whaa? But what use would you have for -"
>"Nijisanji property."

>>70778598
There is rarely "an obvious thing" when it comes to "worded poorly" contracts. Wording is everything, ambiguous shit can be thrown out.

>>70778224
>Party A may lend the Materials, etc. for value or gratuitously
This is then followed by
>in accordance with the preceding paragraph
And then lists how party B shall handle the materials, including lending the materials back after the agreement has ended. So that list is about the materials lended from the company

>>70778521

I am not sure if they would be able to argue that the pet is necessary for Vtuber activity under the definition of Material. This will entirely depending on the judge. There is ground for their argument under the contract however.

Although in most civilized world this contract would probably be declared void the moment it goes into court.

>>70779186
I'm glad she wasn't recruited by Nijisanji then.

>>70778521
They're entitled to take as much as you're dumb enough to hand over. As for me, the only thing they get is scorching hot lead in their organs.

>>70779302
RIKU TAZUMI STOLE A FUCKING MONKEY

>>70778857
Nobody is saying they can't try suing her for contract violation in Japan. But even if their sorry excuse for a contract doesn't get thrown out, we can't find a reason why Doki can't say whatever and just default with no real repercussions.

>>70779381
Company property, you signed the contract!

>>70779410
>a reason why Doki can't say whatever and just default with no real repercussions

Because it was not only defamation but planned defamation. Anything she did that violated the contract would also be able to go to court. She is legally fucked if Anycolor decides to strike back after she directly harmed their cash flow

>>70779670
You're mixing terms. She does not subject to japanese defamation laws as canadian citizen and resident. All public statements on her part were made after the contract was already terminated.

>>70768950
I got to keep the uniforms from my last job, but it's not like I have a use for them now.

nina was still using her nijisanji PC for a couple weeks after joining vshojo
she was locked out of a bunch of shit because of it

I WILL SAY THE N-WORD
NIJISAJI

>>70780500
nah, she bought a pc and used her niji email to register it. She since then had it removed and changed for something else.

So, is "I hope your oshi debuts in Nijisanji" going too far now?

>>70780633
Funny because if you had said Kurosanji you'd still be talking about nijjers.

>>70777341
You're just trying to get me to buy hololive brand milk!

>>70764850
I can't imagine this nigger behavior. What a scumbag

>>70780948
It is politically correct to call them naggers, and faggots.

>>70780819
Fucking Nijjers

>>70776692
Sisters can't meme anon, hell they're barely able to read.

>>70767583
If the liver happened to have children, can they take them too? contract says anything you do is property of kurocolor.

maybe read the contract before signing next time

>>70780341
She doesn't have to be subject to Japanese defamation laws. They could still sue her and win a defamation suit in Canada. All the contract breaches are things she could be sued for. Just because your contract was terminated does not mean any contract breaches you committed are now void.

That's like saying if I sign a contract with an NDA, leak it to the public and get fired for it that I can't be sued for it too

>>70767665
Nijisanji wishes they were as competent as arasaka

>>70768813
Look like someone didn't read shit and is trying to convince others equally braindead.

>>70782841
Yes, they can sue her for defamation in Canada. And if they get through whatever anti-SLAPP they have there, truth is still the absolute defense in her jurisdiction.

>>70775700
To make a "Ex livers PC room" like the button room duh.

>>70777848
The clout was appealing, not anymore tho, nobody will join after the contract leak.

>>70779302
No, she would be a lawyer for nijisanji.

>>70782972
The truth is what would be revealed and she would have to actually provide evidence of bullying. Already the one instance of reported "harassment" that was shared legally doesn't constitute as bullying so her defense already looks like shit

>>70764973
>>70765168
>>70765175
>>70767988
>>70768012

>>70782841
>win a defamation suit in Canada
Only in your dreams would that be possible, even if she lied

Not giving any more you's to the sisters retardation, here a meme for you to seethe about.

>>70782972
>>70782841
>>70783612
I'm just glad the antis aren't still arguing that Canadian judges would enforce Japanese laws. We've moved past one stage of retardation, now they just need to understand that Niji would never win in Canadian court on the basis of defamation. Progress.

>>70764850
for what it's worth, this is literally unenforceable in the vast majority of cases.

>>70783789
Good luck, they can't even count to 3, so they don't understand what Third Party is. They see third party and think "Wow 3 birthdays"

>>70765746
>Harada shows up on Rosemi's stream
He is now their property

>>70783789
>Canadian judges would enforce Japanese laws.

They would when enforcing the contract because it's stated word for word in the contract. The law is stated verbatim. You don't know how to read

>>70784167
Oh no, they've fallen further back into retardation.

>>70783964
THREE?! Sir, I must say i think you're spoiling him, I was only ever allowed one, on my birthday.

Just don't come bleating to Mister Dalliard and me if this chuuba of yours turns out to be one of those drug jockies we're always reading about in the paper.

>>70784167
>just write it in the contract bro they have to enforce it lmao law is so easy bro

>>70784167
Contract is not law.

>>70771939
It's interesting that the place known for harboring mentally ill schizophrenics who believe they have romantic relationships with a female streamer that uses an anime avatar suddenly became a "credible source of information" to the public

>>70784223
>>70784324
>>70784324

Breaking a contract you signed is a violation of civil law. It can be easily enforced by having lawyers sent to either country the lawsuit trial is being held in. You retards are trying to make the claim that you could sign a contract to work with a company, move to a different country and now you're suddenly legally exonerated from breaking the agreements of the contract. You shouldn't be calling anyone retards if that's your argument

>>70784892
Man, you're sure claiming a lot of things no one that replied to you actually said. Maybe you need to learn your English better. I don't think learning better English can help with the stupidity though.

>>70784892
It's new strawman every fucking reply. Either a new sister every time, or an actual clinical schizo.

>>70766407
Malphas II is in danger if he's property of Cover. Iofi will have him for all 3 meals.

>>70784892
I would say, go back to school, but that didn't help u once, so it won't help you twice.
Maybe go back to watching vox? There was no harassment in his opinion.

>>70784167
not everything in a contract is enforceable retard. Canadian courts aren't going to give two shits if the entire Japanese legal code is copy and pasted in the contract, it has no bearing over what can and can't be enforced via contract under Canadian law.

>>70764850
This shit was either translated with chatGPT or just made up. How does anyone believe this

>>70784167
Contracts do not and cannot supercede law.
International contract law says the jurisdiction of any contract dispute goes to the defendant's home jurisdiction.
Doki has no reason to sue AnyColor for breach of contract because she got what she wanted out of the contract: It ending.
If AnyColor sues Doki or Sayu for breach of contract, they have to fight them in Canada or American courts, respectively. If they try to use that clause as an excuse to field the case in Japanese courts, the JP judge is going to laugh them out of the courthouse.

>>70785727
oh, come on sisters, the lawyer even put down a better argument for u to use on the disclaimer of the stream and u still mess this up? baka

>>70784892
millions of people break EULA contracts everyday and courts continue rule that most of their terms are unenforceable and therefore not legally binding. contracts are not absolute.

>>70785688
Not everything in a contract is enforceable but that doesn't mean the courts just ignore all lawsuits created because of a breach of contract. If the contract has a governing law clause, the laws the person is subject to is the country the contract states it's in. This is a well known clause that gets passed in court all the time. Stop pretending that just because you're in a different country, you're legally able to just break the contract. You're basically there's no point to the contract and it's just there for shits and giggles because they'd never punish you for breaking the contract

>>70785080
>>70785489
>>70785510
The drones are seething

>>70785944
And that's considering EULA regulates things, not people, and is a lot more lax than employment contracts.

>>70777341
Hot.

>>70785831
>the JP judge is going to laugh them out of the courthouse.

The only one who would be laughed out of a courthouse is you, fraud. It's called the principle of party autonomy. Doki signed the contract which is her agreeing to be subject under Japanese laws regarding matters of the contract. If Anycolor sues Doki, she'd have to send a lawyer to represent her in court or she'd have to go herself since she agreed to be subject to those laws . If she ignores the lawsuit, they'd pass a default judgment due to lack of defense and she'd be forced to pay damages

>Your Honor, the contract clearly stipulated that Anycolor has the rights to harvest the Liver's organs as compensation.

>>70786802
>she'd be forced to pay damages
how, pray tell me

>>70787086
Given everything else he's said, magic. The court fairies will fly into her house and steal her teeth as compensation.

>>70786228
Japanese courts aren't going to petition the Canadian government to extradite some random women to Japan over a fucking NDA, you retard. the Japanese courts are going to tell Nijisanji to fuck off and file in a country that can actually compel them to show up to trial and Canadian courts aren't going to give a shit about predetermined jurisdiction in a contract. fucking arbitration clauses are barely enforceable and you retarded ass thinks forced jurisdiction clauses are?

I love when contracts get involved in those discussions because everyone gets to show how fucking retarded they are

Not quite on topic but what happens if femliver gets pregnant and it's near delivery date and she can't stream anymore? Amicable graduation?

>>70787320
According to the contract they can terminate her for any number of reasons that would come up as a course of that, but realistically she'd either graduate or go on a long hiatus. There's no specific provisions for that.
Remember, aside from a few things Nijisanji can do whatever they want, the contract is only restricting the talent.

>>70765746
>sorry, Fauna, remember when Clover let out that really grumpy meow on stream or that other time when he purred into the mic? We're gonna need his ashes.

>>70764850
I'm surprised the sex clause wasn't leaked too

>>70787570
That's section 21

>>70768813
that clause is exactly the same as blizzard's: "if you invented another DOTA, it belongs to us". If that something is valuable enough then anykara has the right to seize said item.

A lot of the things people are going crazy over were clearly never enforced if you watched anyone at all, including the ones who left, assuming the intentionally bad interpretation of the clauses is correct

>>70787086
>>70787166

No one said anything about extradition. If Doki were to refuse to pay after losing a lawsuit, they'd send their lawyers to her country and file a legal action to have the judgment be recognized and enforced in her country. Canada and Japan already have agreements in place for legal assistance and cooperation making it that much easier. They could also trace what she owns back to her assets and collect that way through going to court in Canada so they'd be able to seize her bank account or garnish her wages

You retards really think you can get away with evading lawsuits just because you ran to a different country?

>>70772679
NTA but lawyers are all about cornering you with retarded bad faith readings of contracts

>>70786228
>You're basically there's no point to the contract and it's just there for shits and giggles because they'd never punish you for breaking the contract
You're intentionally missing the bigger picture here. I will explain it, not for you, but for the anons reading this thread that might actually get confused by your nonsense.
Let me go through the progression of what happens if AnyColor sues, say, Sayu for breach of contract.
>AnyColor attempts to exercise the Governing Law Clause and sues Sayu in Japan using the Tokyo District Court.
>Sayu does not have assets in Japan, is not a Japanese Citizen, and does not live in Japan.
>Assuming the TDC even hears the case to begin with, Sayu can choose to not show up to court in Japan. When this happens in a civil dispute, the judge awards a default judgement based on the facts that AnyColor is able to prove in their initial complaint. Note: AnyColor has historically lost at least one case where they were being awarded a default judgement, because their complaint had no facts that could be legally upheld.
>Assuming a default judgement is awarded and the judge orders damages be awarded to AnyColor...Sayu doesn't have any assets in Japan. The Japanese Courts do not have jurisdiction over American banks, and can't force them to pay without an extradition, which does not happen for Civil cases ever.
>So, if AnyColor wants to actually get damages, they have to sue Sayu in an American court.
>AnyColor is forced to hire an American lawyer, who proceeds to immediately tell them "You have broken like 30 labor laws; do not take this to court. Settle for whatever she asks for," because telling them anything else is a free disbarment in America.
>Assuming AnyColor opts to sue anyway, ignoring the lawyer's advice, and assuming their lawsuit has merit, the judge awards them damages, but then turns around and says "okay, we have established a good number of labor violations with this trial, that you have admitted to in order to recieve damages. Please have your CEO serve these criminal charges."
>Riku potenially either has to avoid Burgerland for the next decade, or share a cell with Jamal.

>>70787988

>>70787896
Read

>>70765168
Nijisanji owns your liver.

>>70787988
Please let this happen it would be so fucking funny

>>70787896
>>70788196
>file a legal action to have the judgment be recognized and enforced in her country
You do realize that this means Canada will run the case domestically, right?
Which is what people have been telling you for the past month.
Did you copy/paste this off of a google search and think it supported your argument?

>>70787896
Read this if you still have any surviving braincell in ur head >>70787988

>>70787988
>AnyColor has historically lost at least one case where they were being awarded a default judgement, because their complaint had no facts that could be legally upheld.
holy fucking kek

>>70788320
>You do realize that this means Canada will run the case domestically, right?

Not what that means. It'd be a different court case entirely because the judgment was already passed and the legal action would be getting a Canadian court to officially recognize and enforce the judgment. Most of her possible defenses would be refuted by her signing the contract. Unless her lawyers try to claim the Japanese court was fraudulent

>>70783652
What's the story behind the blank piece of paper meme?

>>70787988
B-b-but the contract! It's a god above all, the governing clause means that the American judge will become an expert in Japanese law overnight and enforce it like he's in Japan! Nijisanji's contract, that's probably invalid even in Japan, would force them to collar Sayu to be Riku's office prostitute to work off her debts to the Corporation! Hail Nijisanji!

>>70765312
>>70767001
>>70767242
>>70776050
>>70767372
she clearly states she doesn't have the means to stream. a laptop can barely sustain everything needed for chuuba activities, but aside from that, pomu doesn't sound like she even really wants to go back to streaming anytime soon.

>>70788921
The Canadian courts could still claim that the Japanese courts are not capable to make judgements on Canadian citizens. This is also making the assumption that Tokyo District Court doesn't just say "nah, that's not our problem. Sue her in Canada or fuck off. We don't care what your contract says," which they are very liable to do.

>>70787512
>what happens if femliver gets pregnant
>According to the contract they can terminate her
They'll probably fire the vtuber, too.

>>70789080
>The Canadian courts could still claim that the Japanese courts are not capable to make judgements on Canadian citizens

The contract was a Japanese employment contract she willingly signed to be under Japanese law regarding her employment. Tokyo would not play legal hot potato, that's now how courts work. The courts literally can't claim the contract and her following it is not under Japanese law because it factually is

>>70787896
>they'd send their lawyers to her country and file a legal action to have the judgment be recognized and enforced in her country.
courts do not do this, retard. you can't just have a judgement be recognized in a country that doesn't even recognize the laws where the judgement was made. it has Z E R O legal merit to American and Canadian courts because Japanese law is fucking different. they'd have to file an entirely new lawsuit to actually get something out of it and odds are the courts would rule against them outside of Japan.

>>70789355
It's specifically not an employment contract, they're independent contractors.

>>70789637
Anon, please...

>>70789465
>In order to enforce a judgment, the Canadian court must first recognize it. Generally, a Canadian court will recognize a non-Canadian judgment where it is final, where the court that issued it had the necessary jurisdiction to do so according to Canadian conflict of laws rules and where the judgment was not otherwise obtained by fraud or in breach of natural justice or public policy (as discussed below).38 - Olster.com

Stop being a schizo

>>70788921
Before a thing happened they would have to figure out if the contract was even fucking valid under Canadian Law. Doki is not a citizen of Japan nor was she living in Japan when she signed the contract meaning the signing of the contract is under Canadian law. If things occurred during the signing or there are parts of the contract that would invalidate the contract then all that shit would get thrown out. They would also work to determine if Livers are independent contractors or not if they are determined to be employees it opens a whole new can of worms.
So before this ever went to Japan Nijisanji would have to come to Canada and figure out if they even legally hired Selen.

The real kicker is the last fucking thing Nijisanji would want is for their contract to be scrutinized by a courtroom.

>>70789637
that's up to statutory definition. and it doesn't look good for the "independent contractor" theory.

>Nijisanji gets to keep Scarle's bra if she leaves because she had it on stream once
Bros....

>>70789355
>The contract was a Japanese employment contract she willingly signed to be under Japanese law regarding her employment.
literally means fucking nothing to Canadian courts hearing a case about a Canadian citizen IN Canada for the full duration of her employment.
>Tokyo would not play legal hot potato, that's now how courts work
they wouldn't play hot potato, they'd tell them they don't have jurisdiction over a foreign citizen that has zero assets in Japan and doesn't even have a guaranteed means of travelling to Japan. they'd tell Nijisanji to file somewhere else or just accept that they're fucked.
>The courts literally can't claim the contract and her following it is not under Japanese law
they literally can and literally will because Japanese law means nothing to legal systems outside of Japan.

>>70789465
There's a real possibility the contract doesn't hold up in Japan, either.
Article 26 (Exclusion of Antisocial Forces) states
>1. Each party hereby represents and warrants that currently it is not an organized crime group, a group affiliated to an organized crime group, a group that carries out activities that are contrary to the public welfare, or any other antisocial forces (hereinafter, collectively, “Antisocial Forces”), and that it does not have any relation whatsoever with any Antisocial Forces, and that it will not have any relation whatsoever with any Antisocial Forces in the future.
>2. Each party hereby affirms that it will not, either itself or through a third party Antisocial Force, use the force of an Antisocial Force to make an improper demand or otherwise carry out an act that hinders the business of the other party.
>3. Each party may, without condition terminate this Agreement and the Individual Agreement, in the event that it is discovered that the other party is an Antisocial Force, in the event that there arises a suspicion that the other party is an Antisocial Force, in the event that the other party, either itself or through a third party Antisocial Force, used the force of an Antisocial Force to make an improper demand, or in the event that the other party used the force of an Antisocial Force to carry out an act that hinders business.
Now that's a lotta fuckin' words, and most people are using this to meme about the "we're not Yakuza, honest" bit. But bottom line for me what the NDF are. If you guessed "a group that carries out activities that are contrary to public welfare, potentially being used by AnyColor themselves to hinder business of the other party", you'd be on the right track. And Paragraph 3 makes it clear that's a No-Questions-Asked Insta-Nuke to the whole contract.
All it takes is one Vox VOD to prove a potential "suspected connection" between the NDF and Nijisanji.
Hope this helps!

>>70788929
>What's the story behind the blank piece of paper meme?
Enna's birthday gained less than 4k usd. Meanwhile a piece of paper containing Doki's signature got auctioned off at 4.5k usd

>>70790084
It's worth noting that Enna is now the top Nijisanji female talent.

>>70789739
>where the court that issued it had the necessary jurisdiction to do so
maybe you should fucking read retard.

>>70783789
>We've moved past one stage of retardation,
Anon NDF are still using old debunked arguments like the clowns they are.

>>70784167
NDF aren't sending their best.

>>70765076
Pomu lost her computer after she quit.

>>70790300
No she didn't

>>70789346
Will they terminate the child, or keep the child but terminate the mother to avoid maternity leave?

>>70789346
And keep the baby since is now property of kurocolor according to the contract.

>>70790084
lol, you're joking right?

>>70790192
The contract literally says verbatim that Tokyo has legal jurisdiction over the contract and it was agreed to by the people signing it. Fucking ESL retards don't know what they're talking about

Nijisanji brandishes this clause to spook livers and may enforce it selectively, especially if they're living in Japan (like Pomu).

Remember that Riku assured investors that when livers leave, their audiences are reabsorbed by remaining livers, so they aren't lost. Even if that's bullshit, they attempt to achieve this by ensuring graduated/terminated livers don't make a speedy, visible return, so fans begrudgingly move on to their next favorite Nijisanji talent.

We have the benefit of tracking movements /here/, but you see people who're shocked to rediscover Matara/Kuro even today.

>>70790076
paragraph 3 there is really interesting to me, because it provides that "the event that there arises a suspicion that the other party is an Antisocial Force" is cause for either party to unilaterally terminate the entire contractual relationship. i'm sure the japanese language boilerplate is much less murky here, but what constitutes an adequate suspicion arising? if i'm a talent and i want to leave, well, obviously the court isn't going to think much of me if i just say "oh, yeah, i suspect that anycolor is a criminal enterprise". so, i wonder if that requires a law enforcement suspicion, or if there's a case law standard or something for what constitutes a credible suspicion that they're yakuza. and i wonder if talents have enough to support such a suspicion...

>>70765168
lol

>>70790370
They claim that they're independent contractors, so the mother would have to sue to prove that she was an employee to get maternity leave. Said lawsuit would count as defamation and so it'd break the contract so they'd terminate her and sue her in Japan where she'd be extradited and hung, thereby terminating the baby.

>>70789920
imagine being the manager that gets to just sit in his office huffing it all day

>NDF writing fanfiction about Nijisanji filing a lawsuit against Doki and Sayu, and they end up becoming Riku's sex slaves.

>>70790602
They owe all their success to Riku so they basically already are

>>70790209
it's one step forward, 2% back.

>>70790597
She also showed two different pairs of pants she was wearing.

>>70787988
Ignore the sisters, LM, canadian lawyer, Sayu's lawyer, Doki's lawyer all agreed it was pointless to go to court, there is nothing to win and both sides lose, contract is full of bs that can't be enforced, it was pretty clear.
Is just the braindead sisters reusing the same arguments from one month ago and ignoring all the streams arguing in bad faith.

>>70790184
>It's worth noting that Enna is now the top Nijisanji female talent.
That's funny/sad at the same time.

>>70790441
CONTRACTS CAN NOT DETERMINE JURISDICTION YOU FUCKING RETARD. ONLY COURTS CAN DO THATAND THEY DON'T GIVE A SHIT IF A CONTRACT STATES THEY DO OR DON'T HAVE JURISDICTION

>>70790433
>lol, you're joking right?

>>70790554
As I posited, it's really not a huge logical leap to say "Vox incited his fanbase to attack Doki and her fans, and AnyColor has not issued a public reprimand for these actions, so due to the contract that they signed, AnyColor is complicit in Vox's actions, even if not directly liable, making them a utilizer of an Antisocial Force".
And this can be established as a pattern of behavior as well. Don't forget that suspicious silence after Sayu got doxxed when Zaion was terminated, or the attempted smear jobs for those two AND Nina AND Yugo during their respective graduation arcs. Through all of it, AnyColor is suspiciously silent.
I just think that's pretty interesting.

>>70789950
>If you ignore the part where Nijisanji is a Japanese company, a citizen is working for a Japanese country and the citizen signed a contract where she agreed to be subject to Japanese laws regarding the contract, it has nothing to do with Japan!

That's the crux of your retarded argument. Pick up a book and figure out where your life went wrong

>>70790433
>>70790910
Her ccv went also down from 20.1 Finana's (2023) to 13.6 Finana's (2024).

>>70791181
>40% HK
>Most of those are probably mainlanders using a VPN

>>70764902
>contract says personal property
>Anon: Company computer
just like niji's stocks, the reading comprehension here is down.

>>70790870
>CONTRACTS CAN NOT DETERMINE JURISDICTION

If the contract is made by a Japanese company and the contract says the signer agrees to be subject to Japanese laws, it quite literally goes. Stop coping it, aspie

>>70790441
Which is not enforceable. This is illegal in most countries, as the court of jurisdiction would be where the employee lives/company is based.
If Sayu takes it to court, it'll be California (but Nji can't be brought over unless it becomes criminal).
If Niji takes Sayu to court, it'll be in Japan, but they can't extradite Sayu either (not for a civil suit).
So this is a nonstarter, and just plain unenforceable.

>>70790554
I'd like to flip that question around and ask: What if you are a talent who wants out of their contract? What is stopping you from DMing your manager
>btw i'm yakuza xD
And instantly nullifying your contract. It doesn't matter that it isn't true. They have to take it seriously. Because if they actually hired Yakuza and that gets out to the public they are beyond fucked. For the same reason, they likely aren't willing to risk doing a formal investigation into your claim.

>>70790870
Contracts can definitely suggest jurisdiction. This can be ignored for a variety of reasons, but the clause is normal and normally enforced. You see it pretty often in the US so that corporates can get the nice Delaware corporation laws, or the nice Texas gun laws. It's effectively a basis for dismissal if someone tries to sue someone in a different jurisdiction and doesn't have a good enough reason to not follow it.

>>70791367
That's not how law works lol.

"Personal jurisdiction
The most common way to have personal jurisdiction over a person, a business or an organization is by suing where that person lives, or, for a business or organization, where they do business.

In general, all California superior courts have jurisdiction over a person that lives in California or can be found in California, and businesses or organizations that do business in California.

So, as long as you are suing someone who lives in California or a company or organization that does business here, the superior court has personal jurisdiction.

Subject-matter jurisdiction
There are three types of subject matter jurisdiction:

General Jurisdiction, which means that a court has the ability to hear and decide a wide range of cases. Unless a law or constitutional provision denies them jurisdiction, courts of general jurisdiction can handle any kind of case. The California superior courts are general jurisdiction courts.

Limited Jurisdiction, which means that a court has restrictions on the cases it can decide. Small claims court is a court of limited jurisdiction. It can only hear and decide cases that claim damages of $10,000 or less. Limited civil courts can only hear and decide cases for up to $25,000. While these are heard in California superior courts, the judge has to follow the jurisdictional limits in these cases.

Exclusive Jurisdiction, which means that only a particular court can decide a case. For example, bankruptcy court is a court with exclusive subject matter jurisdiction. A person can only file a bankruptcy action in a federal bankruptcy court. State courts have no jurisdiction in bankruptcy cases."

>>70791472
Take a selfie with one of these for added effect
https://kimurakami.com/collections/japanese-temporary-tattoo

>>70791402 (me)
I'm dumb. I meant the reverse.
If Sayu takes it to court, it'll be in Japan.
But if Niji wants to sue, it'll be in California.
So basically, even though this contract is fucking atrocious and filled to the brim with unenforceable/illegal things, both sides will need to shit bricks in order to prove otherwise.
It's a lose-lose for the livers, but a win-win for the company. Company can stall them out in Japan and won't bother to deal with them if they're outside Japan. Liver will get drowned out in legal fees in Japan, and they can't drag Niji to their home courts.

>>70791402
>This is illegal in most countries, as the court of jurisdiction would be where the employee lives/company is based

Tell me where Nijisanji HQ is. The contract is for a Japanese company so it's under Japanese law and the people signing the contract had to legally recognize that all matters regarding the contract are enforced by Japanese laws. Answer this question to? Are you saying if a Niji member was getting sued and he lived in Osaka and not Tokyo, they'd have to use Osaka laws to get him for breaching his contract?

>>70791168
retard, where Nijisanji is based matters to them, not the courts. Japanese courts aren't going to entertain civil cases involving private citizens of different countries that aren't in Japan because those individuals DON'T live in Japan, DON'T have any assets in Japan, DON'T have any guaranteed way to travel to Japan, AREN'T subject to Japanese law if your dumbshit contract tries to say they are, CAN'T be compelled by Japanese courts even if your dumbshit contract says they can be, and CAN'T even be served by Japanese courts that they're getting sued in the first place. EVEN IF a Japanese court heard Niji's case and found in default for Niji, Canadian and America courts wouldn't recognize the ruling solely because the individual being sued was never given ample opportunity to be notified of the suit and defend themselves in court. THERE IS A FUCKING REASON INTERNATIONAL LAWSUITS ARE SO FUCKING RARE.

No need to reply to the sisters baiting.
Send them this and tell them to fuck off, they're arguing nonsense again.
https://www.youtube.com/live/JJUy4pfwXLU?si=ROt_vrgxIuDmvj2s

>>70791472
this is also interesting. can it be enough to raise suspicion and trigger termination of the contract, but too little to support conviction? i also suspect that i would still trigger all the article 20 penalties, though, so it's probably worse than just sending a "fuck you, i'm not going to stream again" DM to a manager and walking away, without potentially incriminating myself.

>>70791500
they can SUGGEST jurisdiction, but they can't actually determine it.
>You see it pretty often in the US so that corporates can get the nice Delaware corporation laws, or the nice Texas gun laws.
you're ignoring the fact that this only happens WITHIN the US, not between countries, and most of the time those cases are only held in those states because that's where the defendant actually lives or is incorporated.

>>70791685
That doesn't matter and barely applies. Due to the principle of party autonomy, if a person agrees to be subject to Japanese law, that was their choice and they are in regards to the contract they signed. It's really that simple. The terms of the contract are clear and concise

>>70791472
outing yourself as yakuza in japan is not good.

>>70792283
And I'm sure slavery contracts are legal because they signed it anon.
The laws literally stated above in California is that California has jurisdiction over its own citizens.
So if Niji demands California to extradite Sayu to Japan for a CIVIL CASE (not a criminal one, mind you), you're saying that California would comply?
Are you retarded?

In a perfect world Nijisanji could spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to sue Sayu in Japan, get a default judgement, sue to get this judgement recognized in California, a particularly cranky judge could ignore all the problems with the contract, rule against her, get a ruling against Sayu, Sayu declares bankruptcy and moves on with her life while Nijisanji gets to eat shit.

There's no world where Nijisanji actually wins anything by suing anyone. They'd just be getting dragged publicly the entire way.

>>70792268
"No one involved has ever been to Idaho" is often a valid reason to ignore it. But if I'm in Texas and you're in New Mexico and we agree that we'll fight in Texas, you have to have a really good reason to get the lawsuit recognized in New Mexico.

Presumably the same applies to an international declaration, it's just a million times more expensive and much easier to justify ignoring.

>>70791929
>>70792283
JUST BECAUSE A CONTRACT SAYS YOU'RE SUBJECT TO ANOTHER COUNTRY'S LAWS, DOESN'T MEAN YOU ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDS. NOT EVERYTHING IN CONTRACTS IS ENFORCEABLE EVEN IF ALL SIGNING PARTIES AGREED TO IT. YOU CAN NOT FORCE JURISDICTION OR SUBJECT SOMEONE TO FOREIGN LAWS VIA CONTRACT. THERE IS NOT A SIGNLE COURT ON THE PLANET THAT WILL UPHOLD THAT.

>>70791989
>where Nijisanji is based matters to them, not the courts.
The contract was made by a Japanese company located in Tokyo and was agreed to be subject to Tokyo courts so the people who signed the contract have to follow through with the contract or they'd get sued like any other contract

>Japanese courts aren't going to entertain civil cases involving private citizens of different countries that aren't in Japan because those individuals DON'T live in Japan,
Yeah they are. They broke civil law in Japan

>DON'T have any assets in Japan, DON'T have any guaranteed way to travel to Japan, AREN'T subject to Japanese law if your dumbshit contract tries to say they are, CAN'T be compelled by Japanese courts even if your dumbshit contract says they can be,
Aspie babble that's wrong or irrelevant

>EVEN IF a Japanese court heard Niji's case and found in default for Niji, Canadian and America courts wouldn't recognize the ruling solely because the individual being sued was never given ample opportunity to be notified of the suit and defend themselves in court
Wow! An aspie and a schizo? Tell me how your life plays out

>>70764850
Black company...

>>70792633
>But if I'm in Texas and you're in New Mexico and we agree that we'll fight in Texas, you have to have a really good reason to get the lawsuit recognized in New Mexico.
again, that's often more because New Mexico courts usually can't compel you to travel to New Mexico and don't have jurisdiction over people outside of New Mexico.

>>70792721
>The contract was made by a Japanese company located in Tokyo and was agreed to be subject to Tokyo courts so the people who signed the contract have to follow through with the contract or they'd get sued like any other contract
Ok, and they refuse to go since they're not in Japan
Now what retard-chama.
>Yeah they are. They broke civil law in Japan
What civil law did they break in Japan. Point it out to me. If the contract itself is blatantly predatory and non-enforceable even in Japan, what court would allow a person to be EXTRADIATED from a foreign country for a civil suit.

>>70792721
by this logic you can set up company in a country where you have super massive advantage compared to your employees.

>>70792259
>There was a Paragraph 4 in Article 22
I'm getting too old for this shit.
PDF Updated: https://files.catbox.moe/gx7zvt.pdf
Rentry also updated: https://rentry.org/NijiENContract
Hopefully the torrent anon gets it as well.

Reminder, it's the sisters acting like retards in the threads again

Just ignore them and move on, you can't win against them. They live in a shitty third world country where being a slave is all but legal, so they project their weird domination fetish onto the civilized world

Go home SEAmonkey, we don't want you here. And it's clear you don't understand a lick of law.

>>70792639
The aspie is getting angry lul

You literally can subject someone to foreign laws if they're working for you and they agree to sign a contract based on the laws of your country. Every single court would uphold that because the contract was operating on the framework of the country that the company is in. There would literally be 0 people working for companies headquartered out of their state/country if that were the case

>>70792721
>The contract was made by a Japanese company located in Tokyo
literally irrelevant to everyone that isn't suing Nijisanji
>was agreed to be subject to Tokyo courts so the people who signed the contract have to follow through with the contract or they'd get sued like any other contract
also literally irrelevant to everyone not suing Nijisanji
>They broke civil law in Japan
no, they broke Japanese civil law OUTSIDE of Japan, which makes Japanese civil law literally irrelevant to everyone not suing Nijisanji
>not an argument
>not an argument
I'd call you retarded some more, but I'll just settle for pointing the reddit spacing.

>>70792914
I don't think you can be compelled to go to any civil trial inside or outside of any state. That's only a criminal thing. You just get a default judgement. And every state is required to recognize every other state's ruling on debts and such per the Constitution. So I could sue you in Texas due to the clause, and unless you have good cause to get it dismissed because you think it should be filed in New Mexico, you living there isn't enough when there's an agreed to jurisdiction in the contract, the lawsuit would proceed in Texas and be enforceable in New Mexico.

All this is a lot easier inside of a country, going across national borders throws all sorts of wrenches into it.

>>70793162
>You literally can subject someone to foreign laws if they're working for you and they agree to sign a contract based on the laws of your country.
no, you literally can't, because they're prima facie only subject to the laws of their home countries and/or the country they're currently in. it is literally impossible to enforce such a clause on someone outside of the respective country you're trying to impose the laws of on them.
>There would literally be 0 people working for companies headquartered out of their state/country if that were the case
there's this weird thing that happens where employees follow the laws of the country they're currently in.

>>70793162
Answer the question
Sayu gets sued by Niji, and as you claim, they try to sue her in Japan.
She refuses to go. There is no extradition treaty for a civil case.
Now what retard-chama.
Answer the question. What happens?
Nothing, because this is not enforceable. If they want to sue, they NEED to come to California. if that happens, California laws apply as Sayu is a resident of California and California takes jurisdiction for it.

Not a lawbro. Is there a point where so much of a contract is unenforceable babble that it makes even the valid aspects of the contract null and void?

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