/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>70732413
>this contract continues in force after the termination of this contract

Funniest shit i've ever read.

>>70732413
The reason why is that either: she didn't pay a lawyer to read this trash. Or this contract is somehow legal in her country.

>>70732413
>Article 28 isn't included
KEK

>>70732508
It doesn't, Article 28 is not listed as a surviving provision. So if Article 28 doesn't survive all that other shit doesn't survive. LOL Complete fuckup

>>70732413
sisters your oshis...

>>70732413
The fuck do this even mean

>>70732611
even if it was listed it turns out thats not a legal contract

>>70732413
this article itself doesnt quote itself that will survive
is this a loophole or not?

>>70732860
See
>>70732826

Such a contract would be unconscinable. You can't have a contract bind someone to do (or not) do things without any consideration.

>>70732826
Yeah there's way too many Articles that survive for it to hold up. No labor board/arbitrator/judge would allow almost the entire contract to survive

>>70732413
>Millie said during one of her streams that if she quits Niji, she won't reincarnate
I don't believe her one bit with this, she uses her rm account sometimes posting random shit.
So if she ever get tired from all the drama, she will return there.

>>70732805
it means Millie will be trafficked the moment she quits or gets fired.

back to the pagpag heap for her

>>70733082
I might need a kidney in the future what's the going rate? They can keep the rest.

even if article 28 was included would that hold up in court?

>>70733708
Not in the US, probably not in Canada either. There are too many things wrong with it overall.

>>70733708
No way it holds up. That's like the entire fucking contract that survives. So any judge/arbitrator/labor board will go LMAO NO.

>>70732413
there is nothing in millie’s future except eating pagpag inside her mudhut
shes done even if she quits nobody will support her anymore she cant leech off holoid anymore like she used too

>>70733833
It's incredible they got away with it for so long

>>70733082
no one is gonna want that fat brown fugly ass

>>70732413
That wouldn't work outside Japan

>>70732805
Basically it's saying half the articles in the contract remain in effect even after the contract is terminated.

so if elira is living in japan now, can niji get her into debt then push her into jav to pay them back?

>>70734095
I'd fuck her if it was free

>>70734463
It's a non-zero chance.

>>70734463
I think even in a Japanese court a half decent lawyer could dunk on this contract.

>>70732563
What's farticle 28? Does it ban her from eating Pagpag?

>>70734530
Look at the OP pic a little harder

>>70732413
>The following provision shall survive and continue to be effective after the termination of this Agreement:
>Article 28 not included
You literally can't make this up

>>70734530
See >>70732413 for Article 28

>>70733708
No way in hell

>>70734530
It's the article that says which provisions of the contract survive termination of the contract.
The survival clause doesn't even survive, basically making the survival clause mean absolutely nothing and Niji can't enforce anything about the contract once it's terminated.

>>70733708
Let me put it this way: The contract is SO bad, that it might not even hold up in Japanese court.

>>70734519
Nah the surviving clauses are a bunch of spook to scare people from leaving. Classic shit I’ve seen multiple times.

Where's the full thing? It's probably shit like not leaking company internal stuff.
If Millie retires it's to find a husband before it's too late.

>>70734568
Wait so…the surviving clause doesn’t survive? Who the fuck wrote this, can’t even make a good spook ffs.

Eternal servitude. Endless torture. But you can quit anytime.

>>70734664
Presumably it has a signature* assigned to it assigned to it so to protect his source, he's not allowed to show the entire thing.
Just wait till someone stitches most of it

>>70733078
>flipflop cunter
>tiring of drama
lol
lmao
that entire shithole archipelago thrives off drama, just like that other former spaniard cumping ground: the entirety of south america

>>70734721
Welcome to the Hotel Kurosanji
You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave

>>70734484
just fuck an actual walrus its much less uglier and less likely for an std

>>70735140
but vox said you can graduate anytime. did he lie to us nijisisters?

>>70734721
In my opinion
I do not think that it was a form of harassment

>>70735263
You can graduate any time you want.
It will just be a year long wait in the queue and the contract is still in force even after you're out.
Enjoy, sucker!

>>70735263
He did say you can ask to graduate anytime. He didn't say you could actually graduate at all.

anyone got screenshoot article 10?

>>70733999
Words from indog bitch okay

>>70735377
Snip a screenshooooot https://youtu.be/JJUy4pfwXLU?t=6641

>>70734530
If you read enough you can see your indog skins

>>70735401
>pagpag eating flip calling me an indog
how ironic

>>70735476
How Ironic cause you sound like one.

Holy kek, did they not even include the survival clause in the list of clauses that survive post termination?
lmao fucking retards
Nobody would uphold this contract in the first place, but that's hilarious as fuck.

>Millie starts stream without checking all forms of manager comms first:

>>70735570
i didn't know you can hear me by text anon thats amazing must be some new technology you gain by eating pagpag

>>70733078
But she deleted her PL discord account

>>70735819
>i didn't know you can hear me by text anon thats amazing must be some new technology you gain
LMAOOOOO OKAY
indog

>>70735819
>>70735911

look 2 monkey fighting

ITT: SEA infighting

>>70735980
>Nijisanji has no obligation to intervene.
>All costs from SEAmonkey gladiator combat are incurred by party B.

>>70734377
It probably wouldn't even work inside Japan. Protip not everything in a contract has to be legal or enforceable. It's why pretty much every contract has a provision in it that if one provision is ruled unenforceable all the remaining provisions that are enforceable will stay in tact. Companies put in unenforceable language all the time intentionally. Dumb shit like "if we do something ridiculously blatantly illegal you forfeit your right to sue us." The purpose of it is to dissuade you from exercising your rights. Contracts are given a really wide latitude but they're also extremely fragile like that.

>>70733078
Elira's the one who's actually fucked. She'd have to start from scratch since she deleted her PL entirely.

>>70736125
>Party B only receives 2% of colosseum ticket sales

>>70736167
It's actually 0%. The ~2% must be negotiated separately in the individual agreement if Nijisanji deems you're worth giving anything at all.

>>70736150
her PL was also so much stained in past drama and records of bullying and scandals even before nijisanji that really deleting it was a good thing for her

>>70735911
keep seething pagpag and go share it with your friends on facebook

>>70736495
...So you're saying she had a completely clean slate and just went back to her old tricks? Grim.

>>70736674
once a bitch always a bitch anon you cant change these women without giving em a good fisting to the teeth

>>70736748
Uh, I'm not a fan of violence but slay queen I guess.

>>70736551
Indog just shhhh don't think highly of yourself. Go pray to budda.

you're still using facebook?kewk

Does anyone else find it odd that Millie was the one organizing the Gartic Phone collab on the official NijiEN channel, involving JP livers and the Nijisanji studio itself?

It's almost like she's a manager or something

>>70736783
its the only way to save her inshallah

>>70736674
Why not, it had zero supervision, managers only worried to cover their asses and make profit to the point
that “bullying js fine if you inform us so we can avoid it being public”.
I’m noticing a pattern. After people got really upset at the black video, Elira has disappeared almost completely and everyone started to look happier, stuff started get done and Millie and Enna started their strange actions of being buddy buddy and distancing themselves.

I bet Riku finally foubd out how much she was involved into the EN mess and remembered her she was contracted as well and now that she was in Japan with Visa, they owned her with ghis shit contract. Elira is definitely not tweeting and streaming by choice, the company may be done with her but can’t terminate her either.

>>70736787
you tell me isnt that what pagpags still use lol i know your mobile data cant handle anything else

>>70736125
>>70736167
>Party A has the right to reject compensation for this activity

>>70736796
Honestly? No. She's always been pretty good at organizing events and making creative streams. Even if she turns out to be a complete manipulative bitch, that part of her is still valid. Elira's still a comfy cute streamer. Millie's a great creative planner, and Enna's still got a wicked sense of timing and a great singing voice.

None of this matters though if they actually bullied my Oshi to suicide though.

>>70736796
I find it weirder it was not Elira since she has the skills. Millie didn’t organize shit, Petra has more pull of her in Japan.
This was corpo’s attempt to save EN by involving JP in it, and barely got 14k.

>>70736883
>mobile data

fuckin indog nigger keeps outing himself

>>70736883
And you still think africa doesn't have clean water I guess?
Okay cope harder indog and bark.

>>70736796
sound like a desparate rat clinging for her life on a sinking yacht

>>70736674
>2021
Why do you keep reposting this image, anon? Did I do something to you that you got butthurt so much you go everywhere spreading rumours all over the place?

>>70736915
>>70736921
>seething so hard you have to reply to me multiple times again
watch the blood pressure there anon you dont have proper modern medicine over there for it. maybe start preparing your pagpag treesap meds or something before you get a stroke.

>>70737051
I was never that anon, you lemak-eating fuck
I just laughed because you were SEA-momenting hard

>>70736674
Much respect anon, you really know how to hold a grudge.

>>70737051
Seems like you're the one whos doing that. Just shut it. This happens when you praise Allah as your god, you need Jesus.

>>70737086
>i laughed
>continues to seethe in the replies

>>70737086
>>70737108
Both of you are retards. Stop fighting.

>>70737108
or what you gonna do anon cry and eat more pagpag?

>>70737149
>>70737108
KEK. Blown the fuck out.

>>70737138
literally only put that one comment on mobile data because that's hilarious as fuck, but you had to go and btfo yourself, seanig.

Go squat over rice or something and maybe you'll get some memek

>>70737149
shut the fuck up elira il punch your teeth off and shove rocks inside your eyesockets

>>70732413
>go to bed
>yet another niji yab happened while i was asleep
can they slow down a little? it's a pain in the ass to catch up with these things when you miss the initial threads

Why seamonkeys always fight each other despites being so poor is something I could never understand.

>>70734603
Post-employment restrictions (e.g. NDAs) are generally held to violate the Japanese constitutional right to work if they're excessive, so it's probably unenforceable.

>>70737194
its 7pm here im already eating while enjoying your seething for my entertainment. pagpag boy

>>70736674
Women need babysitting. Without a strict social structure to keep them in line, they will invariably resort to bickering, bullying and backstabbing. Even in their later years, this will not change. The "gossiping old hen" stereotype exists for a reason.
It's a consequence of modern society coddling them during their formative years. Too many of them don't experience the kind of genuine hardship that forces you to mature. Of the ones that do experience it, many simply look across the fence at the popular girls and see how they have it. They see THAT as the norm, and seek it out for themselves. So instead of growing as people, they try to imitate the successful "mean girls". This either works for them or they become even more bitter and cruel because it doesn't. Most parents are too lax in their duties to curb this behavior in their children. Social media has put this phenomena into overdrive as echo chambers are popping up all over the place; all telling people what they want to hear instead of reminding them of the harsh truths of reality.

>>70737244
its basically what poor people do
they lack education and good breeding. they are training to fight each other for food like rabid beasts for small grains of rice. they will starve for the day. also its thier only form of entertainment because none of these 3rd worlders can afford actual entertainment

>>70732413
is it a non compete?

>>70737590
It's pretty much the entire contract. Including the non compete

>>70737788
The most retarted thing, no term is specified. You're basically obligated for life, and then after.

>>70737969
Actually I think it said about 2 years?

>>70738023
The contract is 2y, surviving clause defines what happens when it ends or gets terminated.

>>70737969
It's a spook for a reason

>>70737590
>>70737788
>>70737969
>>70738064
To be fair, Niji's so retarded that they forgot to add Art. 28 to the surviving provisions.
So the part that says everything survives... Doesn't survive. captcha gggxa

>>70738143
Lmao no way. Did they assume it would magically survive because it titled "surviving provisions"?

>>70738221
That's giving them too much credit.
I think they legitimately forgot, like how they forgot to add the article that says they're not crminals to the surviving provisions.

>>70738311
Party A is Riku himself, he prefers to keep his future career opportunities open.

>>70732413
based

>>70732413
Millie is going to be fine

So, the reason Niji's PR and law-related decisions have been so fucking retarded is because they probably skimp out as much as possible on PR / legal spending, which results in them getting exactly the result the paid for.
Checks out.

>>70734463
god I hope so

>>70736140
>It probably wouldn't even work inside Japan.
The secret it that japanese courts are a joke. Like an absolute fucking joke. You will lose a case in Japan on the grounds that you are not japanese, 100% of the time. The actual reason for the ruling against you will be arbitrary or may be an outright lie. It doesn't matter. You will not be given due process.
It's normal practice for japanese companies to push contract phrasing to the absolute limit when the signee isn't an ethnically japanese national, because they can get away with it.

This is also why the majority of foreigners working for japanese companies work THROUGH a dedicated 3rd party staffing agency. Working directly for a japanese company is retarded--you have no rights and no legal recourse inside the japanese system. Vtubing agencies are running away with the whole fucking bank because they prey on clueless 20-something menhera women that have never had a real job.

>>70736921
NTA but don't Indonesians hate Niji? They're still salty that NijiID got axed for no reason.
They put Black Company as the word of the day on Indonesian Wikipedia with the NIjisanji logo on it the day after Selen's termination

>>70732413
Is this legal? Only thing I can think of similar to my work is a non-competitive clause and NDA. But that has a limit of 6mo to a year before it expires. This seems like it's permanent? The fuck?

>>70744293
>word of the day
The IDwiki guy was shitting on them for a week straight if I recall

>>70744421
Kek

>>70732413
She knows nobody will follow her and they're only there for the anycolor stocks

>>70735310
Also you have to stream still and make them money or you get fined and-or terminated with that termination fee if they hate you enough by that point :^)

>>70744421
based ID
>>70744293 (me)
also with all the shit going on I forgot notMika's tweet about recovering and all the ex-ID livers graduating en masse and talking about how bad their time there was

>>70736986
Mocca still has not returned has she?

>>70747737
>she

>>70748215
Yep

>>70748215
mocca is a genuine freak of nature so it's fine if she's a little confused

>contract template was a nothingburger
>actually revealed good things like 50% streaming share, company covering travel and debut expenses, etc
>dramafags grasping at straws and blowing stuff out of proportion
Sad!

>>70748399
>good things
anon those things are the bare minimum

>>70748532
Cuckver does not cover travel expenses

>>70732413
Honest question--if you've already graduated (or been terminated), what's stopping you from going, "No, I'm not abiding by any of that"? What are they gonna do? Sue you for not abiding by this insane, likely illegal, contract?

>>70748399
50% of what's left after both youtube and taxes is an atrocious cut for SCs.

>>70748399
are we seeing the same contract? They can take all the money you made for no reason. Black company peak

>>70732413
>i sign a contract saying im a slave
>people think i am now a slave
Lmao, thank fuck people are idiots. Its so entertaining.

>>70748399
didnt they cover travel expenses up to 200k yen? that is like 1.4k that is not even a one way trip to japan

>>70748988
no, not travel. Even worse, for equipment. That's why that other girl was crying about buying a computer and being broke. Can you imagine it?

>>70748845
Sisters are ignoring the rest of the contract to downplay how bad it is

>>70749102
I know Sayu said becoming Zaion put her in debt, who else was crying about being broke?

>>70749191
i forgot her name (had to google); it was Reimu some months ago crying about her new pc put her on debt.

>>70748399
>50% of the resultant 70% from super chats and memberships
>merchandise cut is decided in a separate agreement (2%)
>Covering exprenses = 200000 JPY or 1300 USD.


Sweet deal.

>>70749433
Oh it was just Reimu, I almost felt bad for a second

>>70749433
Any indie with Reimus CCV would get that covered instantly lmao

>>70748845
Nowhere does it say that dramatranny

>>70748988
>>70749102
>>70749433
They provide up to 200k yen for equipment. If you go over the budget yes, you risk going broke. What's wrong with that? 200k yen is more than enough to buy a decent PC in Japan.

>>70744298
Not legal.
Think of it like how federal law has more power than state law, so state laws cannot contradict federal law.
The terms of service of a business or their employee contracts are overruled by the actual law, so if a contract has something in it that contradicts a general law ruling, that part of the contract is null and void. The trick is that a business might include this stuff anyways because not every employee is legally informed or would know what's allowed and what isn't, and as a precaution, they tend to include a clause stating "should portions of this document be deemed null and void, the remainder of the document shall remain unaffected." This gives leeway to slip in bullshit like this without actually putting the entire document in jeopardy.

>>70748748
When you think that most vtubers are early 20 yo with almost no prior work experience you can see that they are preying on their lack of work law knowledge to threaten them with unlawful demands.

>>70749721
>in Japan
Oh, well, good thing we aren't talking about NijiEN, then. Then yen is notoriously strong right now, after all.

>>70749721
For fun I checked out amazon jp for a 200k yen computer
>3050 laptop edition
>12700H
yikerinos

>>70749721
Nigga, are you actual a retard or they are paying you do defend this retarded shit? They can 200k yens cant even pay a half-baked GPU.

>>70749721
here we go nigga.

>>70733833
It's bad enough I have questions about whether it would even hold up in Japan.

>>70750326
>during the period when the Party B was in breach
Highlighting stuff and expecting people to not read the rest I see.

>>70750019
>prebuilt
Also that is way better than my PC and mine is good enough to play most modern games.

>>70750660
It's the higher of the two. So 12 months or more than 12 months worth of the consideration

>>70750766
Yeah we are talking about japanese "people", they cannot build their own PCs

>>70750766
That picture is very apt

>>70750660
it's a screen snip from the lawyer video. lawyer did the highlighting, not the poster

>>70750766
can it play most modern games at consistent 60+ fps WHILE encoding a stream for live streaming?

>>70751080
and running a facial capture and a live2d model (actually more taxing than you think depending on the model)
and 60+ fps at a nice quality too, I dont watch streamers that has low graphics enabled

>>70750766
now try to run obs and vtuber studio while playing "your modern game" retard.

>>70735890
There's another, made literally a week later.

>>70734603
It wouldn't even survive in a US court and the USA is much friendlier towards stupid contracts than literally anyone else.

>>70748399
Literally all you need to know about the contract:
>"activities" is anything we tell you to do
>if we change your contracted terms and you conduct "activities" you accepted lol get bent
It's basically a slave contract written by a toddler that just got their mind blown by "I'm rubber, you're glue". Instant termination for no reason, claiming all your income for no reason, sending you anywhere they want for no reason, etc. is bad in itself but they gave themselves carte blanche to make it as much worse as they like.

>>70750019
>rtx 3050
Literal garbage. a 3050 is basically worse than a 1660 which is a cut down 2060. It's worse than the onboard gpu in consoles. Even the 3060, which is considered as substandard for streaming, is an order of magnitude better.

>>70752296
>sending you anywhere they want for no reason
>Antarctica
Man, nina dodge a gatling gun.

>>70732413
I would say that this is not a legal contract but it's Japan and I have no idea how labor laws work in that hellhole. Riku would be hanging upside down in Italy so it's a completely alien work culture.

Someone explain the "we are not a criminal organization unless you are terminated" clause to me. Is that normal?

>>70736861
Holy ESL

>>70753231
Yakuza is actually legal in Japan. But most companies don't want to hire active yakuza members.

>>70752296
So a normal JP corpo vtuber contract?

>>70754085
You jest right?
Successive governments have gone hard on fucking the yakuza.
You get fingered as being one of them you basically get entirely cut off from society. You can't have a bank account, people aren't allowed to do any kind of business with you, nobody can (or will) employ you legally. Shits mental.

>>70754958
But you don't go to jail.

>>70755041
This is AFTER jail time.
They basically never stop punishing you

>>70755216
Hmm, thanks anon. Will look into this later. Right now Sayu is spilling the beans...

>>70748399
>2%