/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

this contract has an awful lot of terms that Party A can use to just unilaterally amend the contract in its sole discretion.

Didn't that one gay guy have a dildo prop that he used?
Wouldn't that be prohibited as well?

NIJISISTER IN SHAMBLES

>>70727162
so nothing beyond what /vt/ already knew

ONLY GAY SEX IS LEGAL IN NIJI

>>70727281
u mean hex?
probably

UH OH STRAIGHT SISTERS?

>>70727162
>>50% supa cut
damn

>>70727162
exactly the same as hololive, what's the problem here?

TAKESHIIIIII

UH OH UKI

>>70727372
>US and JP Taxes
Whomever made this image is hilarious because you just KNOW someone will think it's accurate

>>70727372
Looks like someone didn't do their math reps

>>70727386
Post the Cover contract.

>>70727372
>$28 to US and JP
wasn't this Mori being a retard and not realizing she doesn't have to pay one of them because of treaties?

>>70727469
NDA.

If Sayu is the leaker, is she based?
https://poal.me/sbjnvq

>>70727162
breadmaker here, i'm going to bed so someone be a good little anon and bake #24 when it hits page 10

>>70727475
It was even more of a nothingburger. She just parroted something her friend said. Her accountant was always doing the right thing.

>>70727517
How'd you see it then?

BasedMindset

>>70727372
Only happened to stupid mori because she filed double tax (both in JP and EN)
It's got fixed already so the data is obsolete.

>>70727543
Yes, Mommy...

>>70727475
Yes, she corrected herself later, but it's guaranteed (You)s anyway

>>70727278
No wonder the livers hate working there

>>70727368
>Dating
so not BFE,GFE or cuck stream?

>LegalMindshit
Cringe

>>70727162
i still can't believe Anykuro TECHNICALLY has the power to seize charity donations and do whatever they want with it

>you could be banned if you piss off someone from /vt/
holy based

>>70727584
She was never actually paying it, she just thought she was. Her accountant was handling everything properly.

>if you DIE
They knew.

Man, if this contract is legit then Uki should be ultra suspended right now lol

>The Forch got mentioned

LEGSSS GOOOOOOOO!!

>They can suspend you for making twitter users butthurt
Kyo...

they can suspend you for getting suspended on youtube or twitter, and arguably just for having a long internet service outage:

>In the event that Party B falls under any of the following items, Party A may suspend the Party B's participation in the Program without needing prior notice from Party A. [...] Party B is unable to receive the service from the External Service Provider due to violation of the external terms of use or other reasons

>>70727162
I'd be great if you quoted the last thread

>>70727658
they wouldn't have any livers then

Why was everyone in chat sperging out over the 50% cut as if that's uncommon at all for agencies

>>70727162
>>NO BULLYING! NO HATE SPEECH!
uki?

>livers can be suspended if they make twitter or 4chan users butthurt
ok

Until know a pretty standard black corpo contract, but we got some grounds to terminate Uki unless he got a special fag contract to be racist to white without getting in trouble.

>>70727670
true if big

Vtubers die if they are killed. That's the way it should be.

>>70727708
I haven't seen anyone sperging out over that

>does not conduct the Distribution of the Contents more than (1) month
Damn, that's harsh...

HOW IS THIS NOT DISCRIMINATORY

>possible labor law violation
uh oh Nijinigger melty

>>70727766
Luca.....Vox.....Elira.....

>>70727691
>>70722484

>>70727671
>Uki should be ultra suspended
It's obvious that Kurosanji plays favorites and only enforces the contract when they feel like it. Some organs like Uki can break it and he won't be punished.

>>70727563
THEN WE WAIT UNTIL SOME RETARD TURNS DOWN THEIR OWN CONTRACT FOR HOLOLIVE
which is, very obviously, no one

YOU CAN GRADUATE AT ANY TIME

>>70727766
Hate to be devils advocate but
>or doesn't otherwise speak with the company
We already know this isn't applicable to JP for example, since several people go AWOL for months with no contact to anyone beyond close friends.

NON-CLIQUE MEMBERS ONLY GET 25% CUT FROM SCS

>The amount equivalent to the total amount of the Consideration received from Party A
NO PAY FOR YOU, ORGAN

>if you die you get suspended
>all those JPs who have been gone for years

>>70727563
It was revealed to me in a dream.

Also nijisanji existed before hololive, I can see holo copying or referencing their contract based on nijisanji's, or maybe other idol/talent company which I doubt would be any different than what anykara offered.

http://poal.me/n8qucv
http://poal.me/n8qucv
http://poal.me/n8qucv
Are Vox, Elira, and Ike innocent
Or are they guilty?
http://poal.me/n8qucv
http://poal.me/n8qucv
http://poal.me/n8qucv

>>70727880
"Anytime": They just have die, right?

why the fuck are all these clauses centered around paying money TO THE company??
jesus fucking hell, try to be subtle if you're going to be greedy at least

>>70727671
There are no Favorites in Nijisanji

>>70727880
Yeah, if you fucking die.

THEY CAN JUST TAKE YOUR MONEY BACK

>>70727162
KHYO AND FASLEYED SURELY WANT TO MILK THIS LOW TIER ANALYSIS LMAOOOO

>>70727983
Well no, because good luck stealing it out of your bank account when the contract is illegal. Sue me bitch.

>Party A may terminate the provision of the program at any time at its discretion
>possible labour law violation
Is that different from say a layoff? I literally got laid off last week without notice

t.leaf

>>70727372
>400% taxes
dyrbi?

INDENTURED SERVANTS

>>70728017
It's not anything new to the vtuber scene, since people get terminated with no notice all the time.

>>70727936
Elira literally volunteered her channel

Do you think they demanded she give them all the money for the mv

>>70727915
anyone who hasn't put any new voicepacks or other content outside streaming might as well be considered dead then?

>noncompete
Pomu...

>submit to Party A materials specified by Party A

>>70727956
THE YACHT DOESN'T PAY FOR ITSELF WAGIE

>non-compete for 6 months after abandoning the company
Literally WWE

>>70727915
The forbidden Nijisanji graveyard

NON COMPETE CONFIRMED

wait, that's HYPER ILLEGAL in california
they made Sayu sign this shit?

>>70727829
When a Holo member starts feeling miserable,Yagoo wipes their tears and holds them in his sweet arms like a baby.

When a Niji member starts feeling miserable, Riku kills their grandma and pisses on her corpse's mouth.

How the fuck does EN have a non-compete when JP doesn't? What? Why?

>>70727764
Retards in livestream chat were going wild over it

>>70728017
You should have gotten a severence, otherwise you can probably sue.

>Not even at the termination clause yet
oh no

FUCKING LIAR

>>70727936
>http://poal.me/n8qucv
I believe in Big Sis.

Noncompete

>>70727915
There are no deaths in Nijisanji

>>70728141
and now you know why she seems so unfazed by it.

Hahahahaha, so that's why Doki went Indie. Neat.

Yakuzanji lmao.

>>70728104
Wait, isn't nina and mysta redebutted in less time than that?

>>70728104
>six months later
>Bomu Painruff in the Impact Zone!

>>70728092
Nina? Mysta? Gundou? Chihiro?

>6 months non-compete
FUCKING SHIT

>>70728104
Did you ever work anon?

>>70727162
>50% supa cut
Victoria Brightshield, my beloved...

>noncompete for 6 months
but Kuro redebuted in less than two and Matara in about three, how does that work

>>70728201
Might live in states where it's not legal.

>>70728160
JP might have the same terms. note that it says that Party A can provide written authorization for you to resume providing vtuber services to a third party before the six months is over. but (as is a running theme with this contract) it's at the sole discretion of Party A.

>>70728073
>since people get terminated with no notice
Hololive (the standard) do it with prior notice

>>70728104
but literally everyone who has left the company (besides Pomu) has popped up again within 3 months?

>>70728082
I think the blackscreen trio are guilty too but to play devil’s advocate, one could argue management choose elira because she is the least profitable of the three

>>70728182
that alone is enough to throw out the entire contract for her
she's free to shit on anykuro however she wants

>>70728104
Assuming the contract is legally binding, yeah. There's so much in this that is illegal though.

5 months for POMU to join HOLO EN...

>>70728092
Looks like we've gotta wait til at least June... likely longer...

>>70728253
you can write retarded unenforcable shit in the contract, and then when you realize it's retarded and you can't enforce it... well you sit there with your pants down like a cuck and watch them do it.

>>70728141
contracts being illegal doesnt mean anything they can still have it on the contract it just wont be enforceable in certain states
its not against the law as in nijisanji staff can get arrested for writing a contract that includes it for example it will just be ignored by judges in california if it goes to court

That's right, keep donating to doki.

Her money is mine.

>>70728258
But Mirei left on horrid terms, wasn't favored by management at all, and came back as a vtuber within a week or three. Definitely not six months. Chihiro also came back within a day but likely may have been on better terms.

>>70728271
It says if Niji approves of it
Also as he said its completely unenforceable

>>70728271
It's at Party A(nycolor's) discretion.

>>70728255
Is it illegal in Japan, because 2 of those are JP

>>70727708
Gee and here I thought phase and idol 25-30% was high

>>70727936
At this point all proof is debatable because they, and especially Elira, would have their actual life ruined if refused.
The fact that Selen said to not harrass any liver and didn’t say a word about those three except about the audio file starts to sound to me like she knows, but can’t tell because they are still hostage.

>>70728121
>>70728179
>>70728217
non compete, but it also includes non vtubing stuff too

>>70728271
Probaly not actually enforceable, esp if you join a non-Jap company like Vshojo

>>70728316
That's not how it works anon.
In fact they were probably so aggressive because she WASN'T honoring this.

>>70728321
indie or for a corpo? the non-compete says specifically "for a third party", i.e. it only restricts you from signing with a corpo.

>>70728265
Do we know that for a fact? Mel is the one that came to my mind immediately.

>>70728349
I'll be honest, I don't know.

>>70728092
Kyoani Anycolor KYOANI ANYCOLOR BURN THIS BLACK COMPANY TO ASHES FUCK ANYCOLOR

>>70728179
They're talking about the images etc, which means all the materials used as the corporate vtuber. So I don't think this applies if you start over new?

>>70728321
As an indie, this is for joining a third party

>>70728274
She has actual clout and has a spotless reputation among everyone who isn't an insane rrat spewer + being implicated in Selen's HR complaint pissed her off

>>70728147
>You'll never have a support Yagoo
What am I even fighting for man

>>70728353
phase is 50% apparently
same as nijisanji

>>70728386
non compete clause

all of her money made during the non compete period belongs to riku tazumi.

>>70728253
>>70728194
Lawyer man just said judges frown upon them and ignore it and are not enforceable. At least in Murica.

LMAO all this Doki's follower don't know how contract works or even do a professional work experience.

i've been here so long that "distribution" didn't even strike me as a weird usage.

>>70728104
I know banks have this for their advisors but for two years.

>>70728194
it was about 3 months after graduation so maybe they had quit 3 months before that?

>>70728448
You get around it if you dick around as an indie

>>70728510
Hey, I do a professional work experience.

>>70728369
Pattern of behavior still makes them likely.

>>70728271
Not an actual thing, it's just a spook

>>70728092
Pomu has had multiple spaces, this falls under audio

She simply has no idea what the fuck she wants to do with her life besides groping idols

For the terminally /here/ clique: this is your escape shaft. Waving this video around you can use it to excuse literally any perceived poor behaviour you took part in while employed by Nijisanji. It's a blanket "it's not my fault" get out of jail free card.

>>70728510
You don' t know English.

>>70728179
That is an actual bullshit clause fortunately. You can’t stop someone working somewhere else, even in Japan. It’s there to scare you out of actually getting back in the business.

>>70728510
Can you speak English?

>>70728495
good luck enforcing that in leafland

>homosexual sex is not sex in japan
see? that explains why Vox can do dick sucking ASMR and Hex can have his little toy on stream

"as a Vtuber for a third party" Everyone seems to be skipping this term here. Third party is an agency. Doki is her own agent thus this non-compete doesn't apply.

>>70728622
What? I thought Vox made the "viewers" suck his weenie?

>>70728582
>>70728607
I don't care but you guys are fucking idiot get a job before saying shit you know nothing about.

>>70728271
It’s a spook clause, they add it so you don’t quit the agency thinking “I can’t redebut for 6 months even as Indie” but surprise surprise once a contract is over there is very little that can still enforce.

>>70728179
>without prior written consent
I guess Kuro was given the okay to join Vshojo by Anycolor since he returned after a month

>>70728580
lol no, one look at Enna us enough to not buy that. Plus, unless Kurosanji terminates Luca, Uki, and any other aforementioned infringers, it makes the clique look even stronger.

>>70728568
With those black corpo contracts I don't blame her for thinking twice in joining one again.

>>70728104
>You took it all away, I give it all away
>Can't take my freedom
>Here to change the game, a banner made of pain
>I built my kingdom
Kek, finish the story Doki Rhodes.

>>70728548
Yeah that's what I gather

>>70728568
this theoretical noncompete is only in the context of
>as a VTuber for a third Party
and that's a no for both

>>70728685
Get better English.

>>70728483
Only for supas
Phase allegedly has better rates on merch, voice packs, appearance fees, etc. Also fish regularly does company wide bonuses if the girls move their merch, this has been mentioned on stream a few times.

>>70728646
But Luna was announced exactly 5 months and 28 days after her past life graduated.

OH SHIT
SAYU WAS RIGHT.

L FUCKING MAO

>Zero guarantee that you will earn money under Kurosanji
THE RRATS WERE RIGHT

I believe the graduated livers could of gotten a exit contract that nulls the 6 month non compete

>>70728510
And you don't know how English works, monkey.

>>70728737
No, you need a fucking job to know these kind of things

>>70728685
okay enna lets get you some tissue.

>>70727162
>$1300 debut budget
So Sayu lied?

"External Terms and Use" (for "External Terms of Use" seen elsewhere in the contract) isn't a machine translation error. that's a human error. that line was typed in english by a human.

>>70728483
>apparently
I don't think anybody actually knows.

N O M O N E Y
O
M
O
N
E
Y

>>70728670
no idea, and I'm not watching it to check

What the fuck are the managers for?
What the fuck are the managers for?
What the fuck are the managers for?

>>70728580
>For the terminally /here/ clique: this is your escape shaft.
Not really this contract restrict you and penalize you for everything, Uky and Luca case being fine for years just shows there is favoritism.

>>70728786
They only will give the money only if they deem it necessary.

>>70728809
the responsibility of the nijisanji talent manager is to draw a paycheck.

>Nijisanji won't even help you against claims and tos strikes
Talent agency by the way

>>70728777
Don't care about your mom.

>>70727162
>>you can't let other people do your liver activities
Uhhhh Lucasisters...?

>>70728786
No. OP summarized it too much.
It's "$1300 budget IF Nijisanji thinks you NEED it"

>>70728818
>Uky
Get off your phone if you want to be treated with basic human dignity.

Wow

>>70728580
That will be enough to convince their diehards but the general public and vtuber community won’t be fooled. Proof’s in the poll. They will still see them as bad wolves unless someone in the clique tells-all and changes sides. Whoever becomes good first will have the best chance to recover. Wait too long and you will never return from this horrible you made for yourselves and others.

Of course they won't help their livers with copyright strikes, they will just tell them to ban evade, because that happened before already

WHAT THE FUCK ARE MANAGERS FOR?!

No wonder the managers dipped, they were doing literally nothing and being paid in peanuts.

>>70728809
Wrong IMAGE FUCKKK

>>70728739
their rates are different for each girl as far as i know but their merch cuts are 70/30 as a default
depends on each talent if they choose to negotiate and I'm guessing the bigger talents like pippa, tenma, etc have more leverage to negotiate. gen 3 are all probably on the default

>>70728786
Not only was it no stated as a debut budget, its is a reimbursement for anything the company needs the liver to buy that nijisanji doesn't need to honor to pay back.

>>70728786
Sayu said she was in debt, she didn't say she didn't get a budget, so it's totally possible she spent more than $1300 (she had a lot of custom assets and a lore video)

>>70728786
No, you can get a one-time refund up to $1300, maybe... if Nijisanji says you can.

>>70727372
I refuse to believe Mori is this retarded

oh fuck, that's the reason why they did NOTHING with Mashiro getting his channel deleted for faux spam reports. I unironically fucking hate Ichikara now

>>70728784
What do you mean? I'm busy bullying Selen the weakest

>>70728809
It pretty much says they don't have to do shit for the liver, which only make the rrat stronger.

>>70728179
Six month non compete clause?
K9 Kuro and Matara Kan send their regards to Anycolor lawyers.

>>70728877
fapping to genshin impact and shooting down all project ideas

>>70728786
No, the 1.3k is only given IF Anycolor deems it necessary. We all know they will absolutely find any excuse not to.

>>70728845
Is that really the best you've got, SEAmonkey?

>>70728082
>Literally an IP owned by the company
>"volunteered"
LMAO
RORU

>>70728741
Luna didn’t get the gajin clause. She is 100% pure jap and they have slightly less shit contracts.

>>70728724
A third party can be anything. Even what Vshojo is doing counts. Is a spook clause.

>>70728921
Please give Selen a wedgie live, Ennachama!

>>70728953
"NINA AND MYSTA HAD TO GIVE CONSENT"

>THEY AREN'T GOING TO HELP YOU
WHAT THE FUCK IS THE POINT OF MANAGEMENT THEN

>>70728945
You don't deserve at my best faggot.

>niji managers are basically corporate tax collectors
lmfao

There’s stuff here that they clearly cannot enforce, at least in Canada, like the non compete. Is it not a violation to put illegal terms in the contract, even if there’s no plan to enforce them? Seems like blatant labor intimidation.

>>70728923
Vshojo isn't a company. Kson said so.

>>70728958
Then see >>70728923.
Point is noncompetes are bullshit and only cowards don't ignore them.

>>70728670
He can argue that his viewers are all men and that he's actually gay.

the "managers" are basically like HR
they're here for Anycolor, not the livers

>>70729008
sounds about right rumao

>>70727539
she isn't the leaker but she's based.
gimme the wayu weam!

>>70728995
>don't deserve at my best

>>70728988
Only If she pays me. She still need to pay the negligibly of her suicide drama.

>>70728995
holy esl

>>70728809
>>70728888
I see you

NIJISANJI GIVES NO FUCKING SUPPORT

>>70729008
Actually accurate
Kek

NIJI DOESN'T DO ANYTHING

>>70729043
>they're here for Anycolor, not the livers
Wow, just like the sisters!

Wanna bet the contract don't even mention managers because they don't want to be responsible hiring support for the livers?

Ok ban Bao

>Scamming is on you
Wtf. Indie tier

>>70728685
how about tossing out some arguments instead of hate?

at this point i'm dead certain that VShitjo provides more managerial support than this supposed "agency" named kurosanji

>he thinks cover doesn't have the exact same clause
lmao

EVEN IF NIJI IS LIABLE FOR DAMAGES THEY LIMIT IT TO 6 MONTHS LOL

>>70728403
She might have been notified before the start of her final stream, and almost certainly was notified before the end. And they gave her enough notice of her termination to write a farewell letter (posted a few minutes after her termination by management, with a line in the tweet unambiguously announcing that the actual twitter post itself was published by management)

THE DRAMATUBERS ARE GOING TO HAVE A FUCKING FIELD DAY

>get to do everything yourself
>free clout with the niji name
It's win/win

>>70728888
LMAO literally “we the managers can do nothing and it’s your fault if things go wrong”. Jesus christ no wonder thry hire high schoolers, thry literally have no responsibility attached.

>>70729165
Kuro and Matara have said as much

>contract is illegal
IT'S OVER

IT'S OVER

IT'S OVER

>Niji tries to limit damages
>"This shit is Illegal"
holy what

>>70728868
People here vote clique because it's funny, once dramatubers start saying "They've been forced!" the narrative will switch.

>>70729016
Who ever does vshojos pr deserves a raise

>>70728892
Multiple girls have said fish is very generous for a vtuber corpo with everything outside of supas and Phase is the first I've heard of that gives performance bonuses of any kind.

>>70729167
Foreigners could be here...

>>70729167
This kind of shitshows puts the other corpos into the spotlight so they're somewhat affected too.

>>70729200
AND THEY CAN'T EVEN LEGALLY HIRE THEIR OWN HELP.

>>70729167
>BUT WHAT ABOUT

Now this make sense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If0TxnnrWko
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuH4_xj7qsQ

>>70729167
I mean, there's already massive discrepancies with how hololive works so I don't need to "think". I know it's not the same.

>>70729194
They are all in the chat already
>>70729167
No one fucking said they don't.
Everyone in the Youtube chat are even saying it explains weird shit from Holo.

>We have no responsibilities
>You shall not get paid
>We take your accounts
>You receive no support

PEOPLE SIGNED THIS SHIT. FUCK ALL THESE IDIOTS IN EN.

>>70729193
>>get to do everything yourself
Except tournaments or covers or collabs or solo streams or tweet or talk to your fans (if the clique hates you).

>>70729188
>She might
But we don't know that for a fact.

>write non-compete clause into your employment contract
>null said contract by terminating it
>non-compete no longer exists
>no judge will actually enforce even it if it did exist
It's that simple goofus. Some people didn't seem to understand this.

>>70729167
Yeah, a lot of this is super fucking sketch and Cover likely has a lot of the same shit, but someone has to leak it first for these comparisons to be taken seriously. I wonder if someone ever will.

can someone remind me why so many Holos want to move to Japan?
i wouldn't want to live under these dogshit labor laws even if i could make 2x my current salary

>>70729280
>Everyone in the Youtube chat are even saying it explains weird shit from Holo.
There were multiple SCs saying the direct opposite, anon. There's a lot of contrast between the two corpos.

>>70729188
Also technically the termination notice is more of a suspension pending termination, her contract was only ended at the end of February when her channel content was taken down, and her roomate came back right after

>>70729270
If you ignore the shit stirring attempt, old Hololive WAS pretty scummy, but it seems they actually cleaned up shop as early as EN debut, and as late as Council
That being said, Gura losing out on Queen cover, and Kronii's whole story about her previous lazy manager are shit you wouldn't even bat an eye to if it was Nijisanji

>>70728082
Bruh I get your belief but this contract literally says they own the channel and can do whatever they like with it.
The clique may be very real but this is their way out. This is actual decisive proof to blame all that shit on Anykuro and recuse all they said.

Wait a minute, is this why NDF and the organs are seething so much?! They fucking think that they have a claim to money Doki made?!
Also, I guess this means Pomu has no choice but to go indie if she ever wants to come back...

>>70729256
Oh right, they're only allowed to hire third parties related to their activities if party A lets them! They can (illegally) argue that organs cannot hire independent legal advisors according to this shit!!

>>70729360
Maximum weeb delusion + buying a fixer upper house for less than a car in the states

>>70729348
rushia or kson

or mel, indirectly. She's that stupid.

>>70729167
if holo have the almost same if not exact clause then atleast they providing support to their streamers because they can due to not having a fucking 200 livers contracted to them

>Victim blaming in the contract
YOU
CAN'T
MAKE
THIS
SHIT
UP

>>70729167
There are currently Holos with active PLs. You can have no job besides Niji in Niji.

>clause x: if you do something bad, PAY US MONEY
>clause y: if you do this other thing, PAY US MONEY
>ad nauseam
how can one company be this fucking greedy?

>if you have a fight with other VTubers you must send the details to Nijisanji immediately
>And if it's real you must handle it on your own

ok...?

>They don't represent you whatsoever
>in no conflict
keeeeeeek

>>70729290
Anything for instant fame when you're a desperate indie. Look at finana. Her audition showed no talent and she has more than she'd ever have as an indie.

>FIGHTING WITH ANOTHER LIVER
>YOU MUST TELL US
>BUT YOU MUST DEAL WITH IT YOURSELF

HOLY FUCKING SHIT
THE NORMIES WILL KNOW THIS BY MONDAY

>>70729360
a lot of countries are kind of shit, in their own unique ways
also easier access to the studio and JP senpais to collab

Another confirmation that niggersanji doesn't do shit but take their money.

need to see art of vox and elira fighting eachother with lightsabers now

AY YO?!

>BULLYING IS ALLOWED

>No intervention for talent infighting
No wonder bullying is so prevalent

>>70728092
non-enforceable outside japan, meaning SHE IS CONFIRMED FOR HOLO EN4 IN JUNE.

So there is no HR then.

>>70729360
Labor laws only come into action when your working conditions become shit and/or the company is working against you.
If your work is fair and you have no trouble with it, then its a non-problem.

Also because thy can be closer to work, and thats just generally easier

>Yeah that's your problem Scarle

can't believe nijisanji forgot to disable friendly fire

Bully is allowed lmao

RETO THEM FAITO

PVP IS ALLOWED
LETS FUCKING GO

>>70729290
Bruh Hollywood contracts were this bad when the fad started, remember? People abuse people blinded by stardom, tale as old as time.
Sayu must have been a fucking monster to them, actually Lawyering up as soon as they tried anything. No wonder they fucked up Selen termination this badly they heard the word “Lawyer” and shat in their pants instinctively.

>BULLYING IS ALLOWED

>>70729167
I have little doubt that Cover has some similar clauses in its contracts.

But some of this stuff Niji has is nuts, such as the "You must investigate on your own whether any of your activities violates the law or industry standards" clause.

>bullying confirmed
No wonder why there is a fucking clique, they won't do shit, you're on your own.

>you have to deal with company in-fighting on your own
WHAT THE FUCK ARE MANAGERS FOR??????????

niji fighting club

>>70729360
Mostly because Holos aren't under these horrifying contracts.

>>70729474
Reminds me getting in fights in school way back when
>defend yourself from a blindsiding attack
>get suspended anyways

>just fight it out bro
>be sure to send us pics tho

This lawyer is fucking retarded why would anycolor pay for any legal battles between 2 of its own vtubers.

>>70729434
Kson is in excellent terms with cover
Mel is not in bad terms despite termination.
Rushia, not ever her, like holy shit.

Sisters where are you? why are you so silent now? You have some explaining to do right now.

What I'm getting from the stream is Nijisanji isn't liable for anything and the livers have to pay for everything. Nijisanji's only role is to collect money from you.

The termination part next, damn it gonna be juicy.

Alright. I'm gonna have to tune out here. I'm fucking pissed. Nijisanji and all of its supporters can go to the lowest layer of hell. Goodnight.

>>70729549
>>70729559
>>70729554
>>70729568
>>70729569
>>70729573

>>70729480
These fuckers only want you to report it to add the harassment to the other organ's termination checklist, and not do anything about it.

>>70729421
>Selen: I want to hire a personal assistant to keep track of projects/deadlines
>Management: No.
>Luca: Hey Raz build shit in the Minecraft server so I look useful, also put "my" autograph on this stuff
>Management: cool shit dude, see you on the yacht!

>Won't meditate internal disputes.
CLOWN WORLD COMPANY.

If you read the contract then why signed? LMAOOOOO SELEN SHOULD GO BACK TO HIGHSCHOOL AND LEARN HOW TO READ PROPERLY

>bullying actually unironically allowed
>both within and outside the company
>and you have to pay for it

>>70729568
Remembered Meiro v Roa?
If Niji Manager intervened, Meiro would be still work under Niji and Roa wouldn't still hiatus for 5 years already.

>>70729360
Holo is pretty obviously a much better law to work for, that's probably why. The talents are clearly treated well, especially compared to Nijisanji.

>>70729604
That's not what he implied at all. The contract literally say that company staff won't help to streamline chuuba v chuuba conflicts.

>>70729543
kek, nijisanji literally won't step in so Scarle had to fucking go the Leaky Luca to get help with Aster

>>70729360
Likely their contracts are better.

>>70729480
Holy shit basically “bullying is fine as long as we know so we can cover it up”. Literal HR gag order. This contradicts thr black video in so many fucking ways.

you now remember why Lulu left

>>70729645
I can fucking hear this image

>>70729655
you can see the difference right? Asking for shit in nip culture almost always results in a no, whereas doing shit on your own and then showing results gets their dicks hard

>>70729687
Which isn't true based on roa

>>70729660
Cause everyone was blinded by Niji´s rePUTAtion back then

>>70729673
Roa never came back after the case was over?

>>70729645
You have to give context anon, the average zoomer don't know what's that supposed to mean.

i think we all owe vshojo an apology for thinking they had worse management

>>70729718
See
>>70729673

>19 out of 30 provisions
>every one has at least something questionable that a Judge raise an eyebrow on
holy shit

>>70727162
Dramabird brought all these flesh faces to /vt/ constantly making threads that don't relate to any content of VTuber streams. Tell this lawyer he needs to use a VTuber model if he wants threads here. Otherwise, this is not VTuber related.

>>70729689
THIS IS WHY FULGUR HAD TO LEAK THAT SCARLE WAS OKAY. MANAGEMENT WOULDNT HELP.


THE RRAT IS FUCKING REAL

THEY ARE ALL ADULTS WHY THEY NEED TO BABY SITS A FUCKING CHINK IN HER 20'S

>>70729673
>If Niji Manager intervened
They DID intervene. That's what caused the problems in the first place to go from a petty spat to Meiro screaming
>I WANNA RETIRE I WANNA RETIRE I WANNA RETIRE

>>70729770
And don't forget
>You have to pay us for it

>>70729586
Nijisanji is fucking insane kek

>>70729708
This makes me curious how much of the Niji graveyard was given form by sheer ineptitude.

Nijiseethe

>>70729807
And youre in 4chan right now.

>>70729784
>>70729807
Post tits sisters

>>70729784
>Otherwise, this is not VTuber related.
Things related to vtubers are vtuber related, anon.
Just like how you can make Holocure threads on /v/ and Onigiri threads on /ck/.

>>70729604
cost is one thing, but the word responsibility is included as well and they don't limit it to legal battles but any conflict.

>>70729728
No, only one twitter post update right before she and Anycolor lost a lawsuit to Narukami

>>70729784
Fuck off and pick up your pitchfork, we're burning the yacht here

>make it an incredibly forced meme to call your vtubers "livers" for brand recognition or something
>define them as vtubers in the contract anyways

>>70728928
Wtf, I suddenly wanna be a NijiEN manager?

>>70729784
>sister trying to backseat mod

>>70729795
Compilation of confirmed rrats tomorrow.

>>70729715
But she was doing shit on her own and showing results. Was the problem that she was bothering asking first before paying for it herself?

>>70729807
/vt/ unironically thinks these people are high school aged kids who have never even heard of sex and are single
That being said, Niji contract is still 100% scum tier shit, even for a jap contract

>>70729865
>Please note that discussion should pertain to a VTuber's streams and content, and should not pertain to their real lives, relationships, or appearances ("IRL").

>>70729676
Nobody's trying to get out so either the contracts are much stricter( unlikely see PL accounts) or the conditions are much better, a LOT better. It kind of makes sense to move there if you are being treated well, have faith in your company, and are constantly flying in to Tokyo every 3-4 weeks

Plot Twist: This is actually a Cover contract.

>>70729784
>Otherwise, this is not VTuber related.
wow not so fast, niji isn't dead yet.

>>70729864
You are not that special my dude. Sorry.

>>70729902
Jesus fucking christ all the confirmations. They really DID have to manage themselves

>>70729807
YOUR COMPANY IS ASS
DEAL WITH IT

>>70729621
where is their collab then

>>70729476
yeah, she's her own unit of measurement. she's eating good.

they all have signed the contract, no backtrack.

This is a fucking shitshow

>philipine peso
>Mae
Theres that name again

>>70729527
>Kurosanji policy to prevent bullying: we won't prevent bullying
lol

* ALERT!! *
* ALERT!! *
WE GOT INVATED BY NDF
MAN YOUR STATION

>>70728920
Threadreader, this is the most Japanese management style tactic I've read in a while, I believe it

>>70729927
The entire point of a Vtuber company is to give support to Vtubers. If there's a clause that says "if you get into/dragged into a serious fight, we won't help you with either disengaging or backing you" then whats the point?

>>70729718
roa vs meiro is probably a reason this is included lol.

>>70729889
It's basically like being a prison guard except you don't even intervene in fights. Grim.

>>70729988
iirc it's just a word for girl or some shit.

>>70729947
Taking notes right now.

The schizo rrats were always right

>>70729922
>Was the problem that she was bothering asking first
Literally and unironically yes. You could split hairs over "since she asked, her manager is now accountable too if shit goes wrong" or you could just assume a random ass jap half-assedly babysitting a streamer girl isn't exactly the peak of professional adult mindset

>Brandon Herrera mention

Good day to be /k/ and /vt/

>>70729689
I'm going to laugh my ass off if this shit is basically real

>>70729934
OH NO, ENNA LOOK OUT

Selen Termination.

this guy is pretty funny

>Niji management when livers bully and fight
https://youtu.be/rvI1bNfleFs?si=LW3u5DcKrO6chjSh&t=21

>>70730016
Fame seeking blindness abused. Holywood did it, Idol culture did it, now we are at Vtubing.

>>70730016
managers are even explicitly excused from helping with shit like youtube strikes. literally the only confirmed responsibility that nijisanji talent managers have so far is telling people they can't upload their videos.

>Based Mindset currently at 25.5 Finanas
For a long ass stream he get people entertained.

>>70729941
nta but
>doesn't have tits
understandable, fuck off then fag

>>70729941
>>70729784

I miss that one nijisister that was so desperate to garner support they resorted to posting their tits for anons. Maybe if enough of you do that you could convince me but until then, get smoked

WITHOUT NOTICE. THEY COULD REALLY FUCKING TERMINATE HER AFTER SEEING THE DOC.

>>70730083
this poster is eeeeeeeee.

here is where the fun begins

>>70729807
No, you can't blame them for signing an agreement, with stipulations of breaches and penalties, and then purposefully breaking the agreement of their own free will. That's like, so evil, no other company would have such evil things as contracts.

>>70730077
Kojimbo, my knees.

>an act of betrayal
God thats gotta be MTL.

>>70729807
Vtubers are retards. Hololive is succeeding BECAUSE they hire experienced tardwrangler managers.

BETRAYAL

>>70729200
oh that's how they get away with it........

BETREYAL

>>70730107
thread on warosu? I somehow missed it.

>>70729784
go back to doxxsites sister

netorare

>>70729934
Enna BTFO as collateral damage, lmao.

>>70730152
AIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE YOU CAN'T BETRAY USSSSSSS

>>70730141
i think this is a mix of MTL and ESL. there are phrases here and there with errors that MTL wouldn't make, but an ESL writer would, like "External Terms and Use".

Don't betray the zaibatsu.

we are getting flooded so hard with memeable content we will not be able to create memes out of this

>>70729360
lets say you have a budget and the flight isnt covered by the company
now you are going to fly over to japan for like 5 times in year (like bae did) thats ~25% of your budget gone

then you have projects that will require budget to do so probably around of your 50-70% of your budget

already 75-95% of your budget gone already leaving you 25-5% for yourself

so if moving to japan would automatically gain you 25% of your budget back how are you not going to do it then?

>BETRAYAL
Ike...

>>70727936
Tbdesu it's missing the third option of
>The clique is real
>BUT
>Niji threw them under the bus for the black screen stream specifically

>>70730162
BETRAYED ME

>>70729531
Maybe not June, it might be a bit too soon for EN gen 4 to debut. Maybe in October or November. Besides, they'd need 4 other talents (or 2 if the next gen is EN Gamers) as her genmates, not just her.

She could also join JP gen 7 or DEV_IS gen 2, her Japanese is good enough for that to work. Although, again, they need 4 other talents.

>>70729784
Why hello there, Niji intern. Lawyer man's stream and these threads about it are 100% on topic. Choke to death on your seethe.

>>70730156
>>70730162
BETRAYED ME

>>70730107
Why don't you ask her for nudes instead?

Does liking a "kurosanji" comment act as an act of BETRAYAL?

Mysta.......

>>70730174
Jesus Christ
>Verification not required.
Ty Jesus very cool

>>70730107
She's a doki fan though, former nijifan. She also happens to be a lonely OL hag.

>>70730165
pretty sure the catbox links from that are dead already, you missed out.

BETRAYED ME! NOW PAY!

>>70730107
Gunna need to see proof.

So wait, doesn't this mean that writing the termination grudge list is standard practice hat you only avoid by signing the gag order?

>>70730196
>zaibatsu
Zaion...

>>70728229
did you?
>Though Koduri stated that he planned to return in December, he announced on November 7, 2017, via another internal company letter, that he would be resigning from AMD.[11] The following day, Intel announced that Koduri had been appointed chief architect and senior vice president of the newly conceived Core and Visual Computing Group, with an emphasis on developing high-end discrete GPUs for the company, in addition to expanding "Intel's leading position in integrated graphics for the PC market."
so you are saying that vtubing requires a noncompete clause long after you are gone from the company, while a dude responsible for developing fucking graphics cards can freely move between competing corporations and work on developing graphics cards in either of them? man, being employed by kurosanji sure is serious business.

>>70727444
It was accurate because Mori was a fucking retard that got double taxed

>another clause with PAY US as penalty
bro, what even is this company

>>70730237
Fuck. Were they good tits at least?

>>70730107
someone reupload the litter links of that

>>70730205
>>70730214
>>70730244
THIS COMPANY SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKS

>>70730165
i think it was circa #17 or #18, similar subject to this thread.

>>70730196

>even he doesn't believe 2% merch cut

>>70730257
It is business. It's in Japan anon...

>>70729888
funniest part out of all this

>they don't let you know 2% merch before signing the contract

>>70730165
if it's not deleted yes, beware as there were some tits that were not theirs (several people including me recognized them) and the last one posting the ass was rumoured to be a dude

>>70729645
Actually lol'd

>>70730107
she wasn't a nijisister, we just memed about her being a nijisister distracting us with tits

>>70727936
>Are Vox, Elira, and Ike innocent
they more than likely were all asked if anyone wants to "help" with the current drama, and they walked in assuming it wasn't into a firing range
Elira: Guilty but dumb as hell
Vox: guilty by association but probably would have done it solo
Ike: idiot cheerleader but otherwise innocent