/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

But that's a bad thing?

>>70433877
I swear this is Nijis fault and this all happened because people took the lawyers advice and realized their contracts are worthless.

>>70433877
you realize if everyone one else fails then hololive will too right?

>>70434018
You know that’s not a bad rrat and would be absolutely funny if true. Basically every liver with a brain lawyered up and now we are seeing the results.

EN vtubing will die, and that's a good thing

>>70434091
i too wish that monopolies didn't exist retard kun

>>70433877
Pippa Pipkin will be streaming to 10k people average CCV next year. PC second army girls like Shiina, Uruka, Leo, Jaxton, Muyu, Tenma, Lumi will be getting 3-5k average. Gura will still be on hiatus, as will Fauna. Mumei will stream on her alt account to hang out with her old friends. HoloEN will rely heavily on Gen 4 for stream content as Nerissa and Shiori will be streaming infrequently with lots of breaks. Kiara will still complain that she streams too much while continued to stream too much.

>>70433877
I hope that Holo never lives long enough to see itself become the villain. Yagoo as the last man standing could end up as a tragic thing.

>>70434091
>if you obtain a monopoly, you lose
How does this even make sense lmao, what a cope.

ok but seriously, would holo holding a monopoly be beneficial?

>>70434091
You keep saying this but I’m not certain you mean it.

Ah yes, because wrestling was truly at it's peak when WWE was the only big player. Having no competition is the worst possible thing that can happen for something you like.

>>70434164
A monopoly of what? Vtubers aren't a real sector of streamers, they're just weeb friendly and 4chan is weeb central. Hololive isn't shit in the greater scheme of things.

>>70434091
You don't even understand what 1+1=

>>70434164
As long as they don't drop idol culture for twitch thottery, yes. Even if that happened, they would simply crash and burn like the rest because vtubing is free entertainment instead of a paid product that people will feel forced to consume even if they hate the company.

>>70434164
There's monopoly
And JP corpos are bad in general
Their permissions autism is so fucking gay LIKE PLAY A FUCKNGJJ GOOD GAMES FOR ONCE

>>70434140
the mental gymnastics it must've taken to come up with this with a straight face is astonishing

>>70434209
Honestly while holos stream they really aren't that related to greater streaming scene in general

>>70434209
>Here’s Why You Should Save NijiEN, Part Eight

>>70434098
>Liver

>>70434217
They're big in japan. Honest to god celebrities.

>>70433877
Ranna Ianna was one of my fav's oshis so I'm feeling bad for him. But apparently they're already on friendly terms so it probably won't affect him much anyways.

>>70434251
Phasefags are the masters of self-delusion.

>>70434263
Thank Nerissa if that ever changes. The worst part is that she isn't doing these outsider collabs out of malice but out of ignorance.

>>70434267
Yeah that's definitely what I said. Great reading comprehension here on /vt/.

>>70433877
Sad day for vtubing, ideally we should have more to chose from, not less. But as with all business ventures, a lot of them fail, that is just life.

>>70433877
>selen termination is the first step to the final yab

>>70434140
>Pippa as a 5view
Now even I know that's a little bit of a stretch

>>70433995
It's only bad if the one at the top is bad.
It's actually gonna be better since the newer vtuber agencies are gonna have a deeper and better understanding as to why hololive is at the top.
Before, they just would throw money to make a vtuber agency even though they had 0 knowledge about vtubing and hoped it'd work out somehow when they saw how much money the holo girls were earning

>>70434164
They can't hold a monopoly. Anyone can stream and Hololive isn't engaging a large segment of the available market since it's held down by perms and the modicrum of decency they try to present. They aren't even big in streaming overall either. Fleshies have sat on their face the entire time

>>70434209
They're always going to have competition. Shitters washing out is good because it considates their market share into other streamers with similar interests. That additional funding gives them the option of higher production value. As the corpo autism continues to break down we can have more cross-company and group collabs which opens up more streaming options so it's less played to death trash.

Only amerimutts can think that monopoly is a good thing

>>70434302
They're pretty big, but it's not like all normalfags watch them or even are aware of them. According to my japanese girlfriend viewers of vtubers are treated similarly to anime watchers in the west like 10 years ago

>>70433877
As much as I love Hololive, I don't want them to be the only corpo out there. Another corp with about 60% the reach of Holo would be nice.

>>70434470
Phase gods cumming to 6view status soon.

>>70434432
lack of competition leads to stagnation. it's actually bad for vtubing if Hololive monopolizes the whole industry.

>monopoly
What is this retardation?
Just watch your indies and your small corpos. Explore. There's literally no barrier past your laziness.

Hololive is on an entirely different level, they are an entertainment company with assets, in house production teams, studios, industry contracts etc. Niji would have the financials to be able to become something like that as well but they've been fumbling all the way.

A normal small corpo is just a garage company that help with accounting and organization and not at all worth it for larger indies who can just hire their own managers. They're only worth it if they become like vshojo lite and basically become managerial contractors with the clients being the vtubers.

>>70434497
How are they stagnating? They want to do more they've been constantly held back by needing more money to bankroll it. Even if they were entirely alone Yagoo would keep chasing his dream. The others aren't even in the picture.

why are holofags like this? fuck you

>>70434510
/vt/ is the hololive board, 90% of the posters here don't know vtubers outside of hololive even exist

Let’s be real I’ve seen at least 3-4 new corpos get up and we know indies are graduating and not into full retirement.
The industry is not dying, it’s reshaping. It has ceased to be the “easy pandemic gig” and it’s now something that people never ready to put the effort are cashing out.
I was talking of the corpos, not the vtubers.

>>70434141
If you follow certain RMs you'd know the cracks have long formed anon. It's up to Cover to repair them before they even reach a fraction of Anycolor's fuckups.

>>70434584
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>>70433877
Fuck off

>>70434546

>>70434432
>>70434497
We talk about how great Hololive is, but in 2021 it was the opposite. Everyone used to talk about Hololive being a black company, tech issues, Council not doing as well as expected, and Nijisanji thriving. Then the mixed gens flopped and the graduations started. You can't trust one big corpo to be on top for too long. It will eventually grow complacent and start showing signs of kuro.

>>70433877
How many are joining Vshojo? Is it the dawn of a new era?

>>70434141
>He doesn't know
Cover has its black eyes. Thankfully they managed to keep a lid on most of. and now Niji's skinwalked with Elira who was dumped in tokyo bay 2.5 weeks ago.

>>70434470
Only if they directly compete with holo in seiso girls. I'm glad niji is dying now and their faggotry isn't going to take off.

>>70434575
>the average holonigger thinks like this
i see...

>>70434141
With no competition, this is exactly what happens. Given no opposition they also have no reason to look like the "good guys" anymore, nothing to stop corporate greed from running rampant.

>>70434630
They turned around on EN it's still not great but it's bearable.. The homos were still beaten dogs but no one cares.

>>70434653
It's have been nice to have a decent spot between seisoshit and full on twitch thot but oh well.

>>70434497
How are they gonna stagnate anyway? They're vtubers. They're just streamers using an anime model with kayfabe.
They'll stagnate if live streaming in general stagnates.

>>70434630
at least the EN girls are too autistic to run a clique

>>70433877
Brave will still be around

>>70434630
They were basically a small indie company back then, and "black company" shitposters were shitposting nijiniggers.

>>70433877
>hololive absolute cultural triumph
Dont jinx it, they can get infiltrated with Western sociopolitical nonsense like Sony and Capcom

>>70434699
>spot between seisoshit and full on twitch thot
And what exactly would this entail?

>>70434761
the HoloEN girls aren't even vocally leftists in their rm accounts, and the ones that were just aren't vocal anymore.

>>70434511
Good distinction is the recent stock buyback by Niji. Hololive poured the same amount of money into assets, which they now own. The drama wiped out all the money Niji had hoarded and used for buyback = they are left with nothing, while Hololive could sell the shit they invested in, to recoup some losses.

Now people might say that the stock can bounce back, and Niji owning a larger share, gives them an advantage. But that is copium, because where are you gonna dig up more money from, if you are running on fumes because of no re-investment? The subscription and SC numbers show a downward trend, and that is hard to change without investments.

>>70434452
that’s pretty obvious to anyone who would think about it for more than a few seconds, but I’ve seen people insist on multiple occasions that your average japanese salaryman unwinds by watching okayu and that he’d be comfortable telling everyone he knows that

>>70434674
It's reality anon, stop coping, most indies/small corpos I know or recognize only because they had yabs.

>>70434702
>How are they gonna stagnate anyway?
1. If they aren't being promoted well
2. If they don't try promoting themselves
3. If they aren't entertaining
4. Big yabs and a lack of damage control
We're seeing Points 1 & 4 in Niji because they're retarded and are stingy with funds

>>70434497
With a lack of competition holo has a larger market share and therefore more negotiating power to get perms to advertise which leads to more quality content.

>>70434751
>Shitposters
>Protected mel's stalker.
>Everything they did to EN and the homos
>Still basically a third worlder if you don't move to japan or at least fly over constantly.

>>70434761
Hololive seems to explicitly ban political nonsense.

>>70434858
You must be one hell of a NEET if you think companies should publicly broadcast their HR incidents. That stalker could've been sent off to jail for all we know.

>>70434761
no, they learned their lesson after the Taiwan yab

>>70434858
>Shitposters
Yeah, it was Nijiniggers as usual
>Protected mel's stalker.
Ur retarded
>Everything they did to EN and the homos
Ur retarded
>Still basically a third worlder if you don't move to japan or at least fly over constantly.
Actual brain damage
U retard

>>70434630
Fuck off, retard. No one was calling cover a black company back then.
People were calling cover back then an incompetent company that couldn't handle their sudden growth. This part of their history is the reason why it took them 2 years to release EN3. They want to make sure they can handle more talents before releasing a new wave/gen.

>>70434414
Honestly, that's entirely up to her. If Pippa really wanted to grind and put in the effort I'm pretty confident she could. The fact that any time she does an offchannel collab with very little notice, that person ends up getting a consistent 2k views, even if they were normally just a 2view speaks to how devoted her fanbase is. The thing is Pippa doesn't seem to be trying as hard for it as she was a year ago. She's still put out some great content but she has a lot of streams where she kind of phones it in or she streams for about an hour and then just calls it. I don't think that's much of a stretch to say it would be entirely possible for her to get a million subs and a consistent 5view by next year, but she'd have to want it and she'd have to grind for it, and right now I don't know if she even wants to. I think she's comfortable where she is.

>>70434954
Tell that to how starved EN is.Ame had to move heaven and earth on her own.

>>70434994
>praising ame
HA
HAHAHHAHHGAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHA
Now THAT'S a reach

>>70433995
EN indies will still exist
oh wait they're all doing face reveals

>>70435045
>Had to do what holo should have been doing for the branch
Branch was starving for years
>Took killing sana to finally get cover off their ass
>Still sucks unless your flying to japan constantly or moved there

>>70434994
you do understand that EN covers basically the entire world right?
while JP is just... basically JP
of course they'll allocate more funding to their main branch, because it's the main branch

Anon, I want you to look at the current roster of HoloEN. Are you sure these are the only western vtubers you want existing for the next 2 years?

>>70434140
I want to say this because I watch Pippa/Muyu and am positive towards PC.
I don't like people like you and Lord Maulington.
Despite being a huge company, the talent gets paid no matter how much time they take off, and Holo is a passion project of the CEO who cares about the health and will of the talent, and Lord Maulington type people only emphasize the negative aspects and spit on it.

>>70433877
On the contrary indie vtubing will be thriving and the biggst vtubers in the west will be mostly indies making way more than corpos

>>70435104
I'm sure that made them feel better about how they were treated right? There's no way they have expressed sour feelings at all huh?

>>70435125
I'll take Biboo over anyone else any other day
Gura maybe... if she streams atleast twice a week

>>70435125
I'd rather look forward to EN4 than want more anime twitch thots.

>>70435144
>oh no
>i have to do my job that gives me thousands upon thousands per month with barely any work
yeah, i feel sooooo sorry for them

>>70435125
Why are they the only ones that exist when there's tons of others that exist already? You already knew prism was going to get snoy'd from the moment they sold out to them.

>>70433877
This is what KSon warned you about, you damn weebs

>>70435199
>Expected to grow
>Trying to grow
>Boss gives you some used condoms and a gas station egg sandwich with a bite taken out of it.
>Wont even get a fucking move on and get perms

>>70435221
Phase Connect will lead the world into a bright new age.

The vtubing scene will eventually be dominated by indies, just look at what happened to the MCNs from the old youtube days

>>70434317
She's going to get Ollie treatment sooner or later, hopefully she will learn from it unlike Ollie

>>70435199
>being a holo is barely any work
>he doesn't know...

>>70435229
>Expected to grow
>Trying to grow
If they were entertaining
Then it'd be no problem
The problem is DING DING DING
THEY AREN'T
Hard working =/= Better
Many many such cases

>>70435229
Literally all of them are earning a metric fuck ton more money than before they joined. That's why so many are now just lazily not even streaming and collecting passive money. Cover isn't a megacorp so expecting the world from day 1 instead of being patient for future improvements is just idiotic.

>>70435221
kson is more american than americans on this board...

>>70435125
That's the thing for me. Hololive JP? They have a lot of iconic talents that put out great streams. Totally get why they blew up. HoloEN? Some of the blandest vtubers in the EN scene. They're riding on coattails. I honestly have no idea how Gura got so big, any time I've watched her she was mid at best. So many smaller corps and indies in the EN sphere have a much more unique identity than Hololive. If they were the only game in town, i'd rather vtubing just die in the west.

>>70435294
>Can't stream without perms cover's dragging its ass on
>Had to get their own jank 3d while cover wiped its ass with their money
>Corpo autism over collabs
>Bogged down with prep work, meetings, dance training, singing training, and corpo projects

>>70435297
Yet the opportunities for them are limited and Cover is okay with that. They have limited reach they can do on their own.

>>70435139
>Lord Maulington
No clue who this is, you should kill yourself for shilling what is (probably) your channel to me. Faggot.

>>70434091
Hololive is the Steam of vtubing
A monopoly because their competition is a joke

>>70435350
>I honestly have no idea how Gura got so big
Cunny buff and she was an extremely popular shitposter prior to her debut, i was a pretty big fan back then
But yeah she's dwindled because she can't do what she wants inside Holo

>>70435378
>Cover is okay with that
Cover recently spent something like $18m on a new 3D studio. You're either a moron talking about things he has no idea about, or a schizo shitposter trying to argue that not being able to instantly magic infrastructure into existence equals black company.

>>70435421
Yeah. In japan, jp talents, the ones like Bae who moved there, and some flight coping from ID. Fucking retard. Did you not watch EN all these years?

>>70435378
>all that greentext
All of those are a non-issue, you just exaggerate those because you've never worked a job
It's just that a lot of the girls are depressed/lazy/complaining-bitches

>>70435410
>But yeah she's dwindled because she can't do what she wants inside Holo
she actually can, she just has to face reveal on stream
guess "anonymity" matters to gura more than shitposts and dbd at the end of the day lol

>>70435483
It's a lot harder when your boss is shooting you in the knees.

>>70434842
That's not stagnation caused by 0 competition.
You're literally just listing the things nijisanji did

>>70435478
Did you seriously just double down and admit to being the latter part of my post? Nijiniggers really are subhuman.

>>70435493
Masks got a lot better in recent years. Series of "face reveal"s and she streams in a silly mask when? We'd never get the gura biden mask shitpost stream but oh well.

>>70435558
even with masks gura still doesn't do it
maybe because streaming just isn't big enough for her and the gura ip anymore
yes i'm still waiting for those crocs

>>70435555
>Don't help Ame
>NOOO IT'S MAGIC YOU CAN'T MEET YOUR WORKERS HALFWAY FOR A REASONABLE COMPROMISE REEEEE
Subhuman retard.

>>70434829
> your average japanese salaryman unwinds by watching okayu
true
> and that he’d be comfortable telling everyone he knows that
mmm not just yet
maybe his closest friends, but DEFINITELY not his wife or family

>>70435616
Are you that guy arguing about Ame with someone else? Because I'm talking about infrastructure here. Little schizo tranny got his arguments mixed up? Stop wasting my time, troon.

>>70435641

>>70434018
Spbp

THANKS NIJITRUMP

>>70435102
>>70435378
You retards are back again with your "le cover bad, they left myth all on their own" narrative.
You retards keep conveniently leaving out the fact that the entire world was on fucking lockdown thanks to covid back then

>>70434217
someone post the giants baseball match hololive collab

>>70435662
Your reading comprehension? Cover could have helped Ame with the 3d setup so the NA talents of EN could not only have had crummy 3d but had it earlier. Instead cover neglects and abused EN.

>>70435669
AAAAAAAAIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEE
PREASE TELL DOWN PICTURE

>>70434120
>de facto monopolies are a good thing
I like Hololive but do Holoniggers actually believe this? Anyway, Phase still exists, VShojo still exists, Brave is still expanding its Western market with VSPO et al. This is more of a quasi-political realignment centred on the unsustainability of black company practices in the West, with Hololive the unmoved constant, than a mass extinction event.

>>70435719
Because I'm sure it's feasible to build a 3D studio in NA first when they could only very recently just afford one for JP. Schizo tranny.

>>70434674
eh he's not wrong
Korone can make an entire stream full of entertainment with just obs, a few free assets and MS paint : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmLj7d2PWA8
I've never seen any EN indies with that sort of vibe.
It's always some normie bitch using vtuber outfits like clothes or a whore just flopping tits around like onlyfans thots.
None of the smaller EN chuubas seem to be entering this industry because they ENJOY doing it, they're always chasing the money and clout that the Hololive girls have without understanding why they got popular in the first place.

>>70435767
Wow if only they helped fund Ame's 3d setup to use for the EN's in NA then huh tranny? Or is reality encroaching on your mental illness again?

>>70435125
yes

>monopoly is le bad
This isn't the videogame industry retarded. The worst that can happen is they getting complacent and streaming less, but that would happen regardless because it's a character issue.
Gura for example would still stream less even if she wasn't that successful, her previous life proves that.

>>70435742
Funny because none of those actually compete with hololive. The only similarities is that they're vtubers. They all have their own style of content which attracts different sorts of people. It's like you're saying the fruit market competes with the meat market since they're both food.

>>70435719
>>70435712
>You retards keep conveniently leaving out the fact that the entire world was on fucking lockdown thanks to covid back then
Poor, poor Ame. Abused by cover by giving her all the thousand dollars worth of equipment from the old studio

>>70434164
>Nijisanji JP
>VShojo
>Phase Connect
>large indies
Hardly a monopoly.

>>70435350
>>70435410
>>70435493
>>70435558
>>70435609
back to your hole faggots

>>70435811
I'm sure you, a bitter nijitranny shitting his diapers on /vt/, fully understands the details and knows better than the current #1 company in the industry. Seethe and cope.

WAAAAAA POOR AME
SHE DESERVES EVERYTHING
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH SHES SO HARDWORKING THAT SHE BARELY STREAMS

>>70435771
Holonigger really saw 5 lewdtubers and was like "yup, all indies are like this."

>>70435872
Nah I think the frustrated talents knew the details best while crying they had to just accept it.

>>70435257
Unless Fishman decides he's not going to bankroll them anymore.

>>70435387
Why did it bother you personally?
Only >>70434140 care about that.
It's unlikely that anyone who cares enough about PCs to be passionate about PCs doesn't know someone who is known to both PC members and the community.
Damage control by the person himself?

>>70435900
(they are)

>>70435886
>Struggle session your employee until they break instead of supporting them

>>70435902
>the frustrated talents knew the details best
LMAO, since when the fuck did talents know the best strategic approach for a company? Some of them even actively damage their company with their actions.

>>70435937
That's the JP way
Glad Gen3 understands how it works, that's why they're actually enjoyable

>>70434140
She would have to find some banger videos to react to. phasebros love that shit. Maybe some tiktok compilations

Holofags acting just like Niji oldfags back in 2016 pretty sad honestly

>>70433877
It won't, not by a long shot. What we're seeing is the natural evolution of the scene with a lot of hard lessons learned during the last few years. Vtubing as a whole has a bright future ahead of it, and so does EN vtubing as a whole. Phase connect has emerged as a strong and rock solid player on the EN scene for instance. We're just in a transitory stage where failed business/cultural models are failing in real time - the maletuber is outed as a complete waste of time, a liability and bringer of disorder (Tempus, Niji as a whole). Management that actually manages and assists the talents and maintains corpo standards is invaluable (Omegatroon fiasco, NijiEN's clusterfuck, Phase's early struggles.) Grifting will come back to bite you in the ass big time and you owe your audience everything (Rushia, Yuko) etc.

Basically the scene is maturing and theoretical questions are being answered in real time, bringing down those who failed to answer them correctly. HoloEN, Phase, a lot of indies... many have grappled with issues and overcame them and learned how to do things and more importantly what not to do. In equal measure many failed to do so. The biggest loser in all of this by sheer size is Nijisanji. Nijisanji shouldn't even be a thing at this point. Various small corpos that failed tended to fail due to lack of management and/or business experience. Idol for instance suffers from lack of vision despite having some great talents like Coni. Phase pulled through at the beginning because Sakana is an actual businessman who has that rare ability to recognize when he's out of his depth and hire help. Competent female managers saved Phase. Niji is a disaster from top to bottom, Riku himself is a shithead. Hololive sluggishly recognized the problems in HoloEN, but they did eventually act and purge it of vileness and are doing fine now.

tl;dr all will be well. We're just shedding deadweight and garbage.

>>70436015
nijiseethe

>>70434217
>isnt shit in the greater scheme of things
How big a scheme are we talking. What is the stage youre setting in which Vtubers are meaningless. Must be a big stage.

Is this a win for Holo somehow? I don’t understand, these corpos barely compete with Holo at all.

>>70434630
>nijinig trying to rewrite story
Not everyone is a newfag that would fall for that desu. But yeah, the tech and management side always been quite a mess

>>70436039
>the problems in HoloEN, but they did eventually act and purge it of vileness
But Mori and Kiara are still there so I don't get what you're trying to say since it clearly hasn't happened

>>70436093
No? The ideal situation is just going vshojo or phase.

>>70435669
I did say "average salaryman".
These types of families are rarer, fellow otaku finding each other.

>>70433877
>he thinks an entire facet of streaming will be dead in 5 years
Roru

>>70434140
>Mumei will stream on her alt account to hang out with her old friends.
So you are the doxfag schizo in the recent /#/ threads.
Kill all phasefaggots.

>>70436133
vshojo is all nepo
small indies won't be able to get in

>>70436039
Niji's biggest vtubers in both JP and EN are maletubers.

>>70435900
eh seethe about it I guess

>>70436133
>>the ideal situation is going to the biggest circlejerk or menhera landmine city
Kek

>>70435125
I don't even like most of holoEN yet they're vastly superior to others EN vtubers
>nijiEN
Retards or rapists(Vox and Hex type)
>Phase
Cancer
>Vshojo
Pp and popo
>Indies
Look at my big tits swing around to distract you from my trash personally
The only good ones are small indies who do vlog style videos but that's more niche than my dick and it isn't the type of content I particularly care

>>70436215
Niji is an exception to the rule
Because it's the breeding ground of sisters

>>70436224
2views actually stream so I’ll watch them every time.

>>70435221
I hate this americanized nip whore like you wouldn't believe.
It's the epitome of a delusional californian diaspora.

PURE POISON

>>70436246
Hey if they band together on their own to have a pool for larger stuff that'd be nice too but I'm not going to hold my breath

>according to /vt/ only EN corpos and Niji exist
Nevermind all the other small JP corpos that still exist for as long as Hololive has.

>>70436250
You obviously no nothing outside of your Holo bubble. Think before you speak

As long as streaming is the meta for vtubers Hololive will never be able to have a monopoly in the industry

>>70436315
English board, retard
Of course we'll discuss companies that work in the EN market

>>70436266
Would you watch a 3view like Maria Marionette stream WitchSpring3 Re:Fine?

>>70436318
>>you obviously no nothing
>no nothing

>>70436224
This to be honest. This is why it baffles me that Niji has 140 JP talents.

>>70436315
Nobody here is Japanese and anyone who thinks they are is larping.

>>70436315
never heard of them

>>70436266
Enjoy watching your 2views sucking up to other people and trauma dumping on you niggers

>>70436318
think before you type
it takes 2 seconds to gloss over your words eslkun

>>70436318
Everything outside of hololive is dogshit.
Not everyone wants to see shit, like you do

>>70436263
Does Kuzuha even pander to sisters? As far as I've seen he just spams fps.

>>70435221

>>70436432
I-I like tenma...

>>70435742
Monopolies are bad because companies won't improve and would ask for more money for their product. Both of those don't apply to hololive, whatever the rest of vtubing world exists or not, holo content will stay the same(besides the few fps retards that always collab outside), it's one of the reasons of why the walled garden is so great, the world outside can fall but inside it will remain the same. The money aspect is harder to talk about, but niji's recent "concert" was almost double the price of hololive fes, I doubt hololive will turn extremely greedy just because the competition stopped, maybe a small increase, but not enough to be "monopoly bad".
Technological side doesn't mean much too, of course it's better to always improve but hololive was inferior to several indies and others corpos for years, but people don't give a shit about le rigging and shit like that

>>70434091
A third rate cola brand disappearing won’t affect coke sales.

>>70435900
Theres no point trying to actually shill indies to corpo watchers. Doing it here is worthless it has to happen naturally like it did for me and probably most others.

>>70436489
>the world outside can fall but inside it will remain the same
This is exactly why I stopped watching Holo, the stagnation bored me

>>70435221
The fuck, is she calling the top holos slaves?

>>70436093
Holo is the only relevant one so they need to bring it up whatever it's possible, even this thread without the hololive label would have flopped desu

>>70436578
Are you surprised after what they iced her content while throwing her to the bugs?

>>70433877
HOLOLIVE PRIDE!

>>70436610
??????

They literally abandoned China for her, not threw her away.

>>70436610
retard

>>70436645
>>70436578

>>70436578
i mean, is she wrong?

>>70436645
>Shut down some of her biggest content
>Let the bugs harass her

>>70436662
Why are you sperging at me? Is this a bot?

>>70436432
Jelly is a good girl
She's cute and smart and funny and also actually smart
Unlike 99% vchuubas

>>70435900
It’s because thats what all the clips shill and none of these people watch streams, theres so many indies in the market that I can’t realistically make assumptions about them.

>>70436690
stop being a third world numbernigger
this thread has nothing to do with kson

>>70436266
>holo is just Gura
People talk about holofags not knowing anything outside of holo but indie fags don't know anything about hololive and niji too, just a bunch of contrarians that go "company bad" and "popular bad"

>>70436688
What existing content was shut down exactly? The explanation agreed by all sides including herself is that Cover didn't like some of her content proposals and she decided to leave so she could do it instead of sticking to holo-approved content. And judging from her current state, that meant twitch whore shit like face reveals.

>>70435221
Kusa, so Gunrun's company is the Railroad now?

>>70436753

>>70436224
fuwamoco and biboo bandwagoners ina nutshell.

>>70436721
What do my posts have to do with numberfagging? Is this a poorly coded AI?

>>70436267
It's the worst of both worlds. There's a reason of why hafus are hated there...

>>70436784
only numberpagpags obsess over kson like this

>>70436690
>fail at math
>get assblasted anytime someone mentions numbers
>decides to draw something to ridicule them
>can't draw for shit either
>use AI instead
>have a melty in every thread someone mentions something
It's not one person, but it's definitely a bundle of high grade fuckups.

>>70436753
Some of her larger streaming segments. They left her to get harassed while icing her bread and butter of course she bailed.

>>70436672
If the top holos were handcrafted by Cover then they would be cranking out such masterpieces on a regular basis. And since when did slaves earn a millionaire salary?

https://virtualyoutuber.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Agency

>>70436810
>be an indonesian numbermonkey
>get assblasted every time you remember kson exists
>decide to bring her up in literally any thread despite it having no relation to her
>get mad when you get called out

>>70436805
I just responded to a post about her. You could only call it obsession if I brought it up spontaneously by myself out of nowhere. You just sound like a schizo who really doesn't want anyone talking about her, but since you're only spamming me and not the other guy I'm arguing with it's clear you in fact don't want people saying anything negative about her, which doesn't even have anything to do with numbers. Insane tranny.

>everyone I dont like is number schizo

>>70436898
you responded to a setup by another numberchimp
don't act innocent

>>70436569
Hololive always been for the average salaryman that gets home and want to watch cute girls. Nothing more, nothing less.
What do you expect from that? This isn't a book to explore the human nature and critique le society

>>70436818
Be specific or I'll just save myself the time and call you a schizo. And how exactly can Cover eliminate spam on Youtube? Send over some volunteer engineers to improve spam detection? And hold the CEO at gunpoint for him to agree?

>>70436690
>Kson mentioned
>Immediate number monkey images
Yeah, probably it's a bot or someone really dedicated.

>>70436992

>>70436944
What about the original post was relating to numbers?

Is this seriously a broken bot that is configured to get set off according to specific images and picked up a wrong one by mistake?

>>70436936
At least hours in the catalog at least 90% of holoposters are any non numberfags are probably camped in their general

>>70437024
>what do /#/ rrats and obsessions have to do with /#/
gee i wonder

>>70436971
It was a long time ago go ask people that remember. I can't remember if it was asacoco or one of her other larger segments.
They could not mod chinks instead of modding decent people to ban the trolls.

>>70436432
>has only eaten shit their whole life, assumes everyone else does too
Kek

>>70436578
She left Holo at their lowest point of competence, and still begrudgingly holds on to that image of them in her head.

>>70433877
They forgot a green turtle and his daughter

>>70436936
A classic attempt at deflection. Even if /#/ got nuked from orbit, it’d still be the scapegoat. I hate noombers but this doesn’t matter since I’ll still be associated with that intense faggotry for commenting over something that’s an excerpt from a stream.

Kson was terrified when she saw the tail plug was made of real silicon instead of being a sewn joke plushie like she was expecting.

>>70437076
Here's a tip: when you don't have any evidence for your arguments, save everyone the time and just stfu. And you're just being disingenuous with that mod example, as if it was intentional and persisted until she left instead of an oversight that was quickly rectified.

>>70437111
an insane interpretation of an excerpt from a stream that's only possible to reach if you're a schizo ESL nigger

>>70436992
>dedicated
You mean butthurt

>>70435829
Hololive monopoly would be extremely bad. Their dominant position is already damaging enough because other vtubers are pressured into doing 3D concerts like them when they otherwise wouldn't have to.

>>70437087
the cocofans always forget that the whole mess was caused by her. Holo may have purged CN and burned many careers because of her but no one likes a person like that behind the curtain. Its no surprise she found herself completely isolated.
They call any criticism of her bugtalk but you don't provoke this stuff in entertainment.

>>70437071
>rrats
You know that stream in question has been translated by herself right? And that it's accurate to the initial "fan" translation?

>>70437147
>inb4 monkey image reply

>>70437185

Ksonfags really try to make everything about themselves and their oshi, huh.

>>70436724
Even outside of Gura you only get 2 hours of streamd daily at best from most of them. That's extremely bad. If your oshi doesn't stream at least 6 to 8 hours a day she's lazy as shit.

>>70437157
Here's a tip, when you know even less than I've forgotten maybe you should shut the fuck up. You can go find a crazy schizo with an index card of timestamps from an eon ago instead.

>>70437227
you're the ones who keep bringing her up, muhammed

>>70437236
>Twitch nigger
Please don't direct your words towards me anymore.

>>70436266
Boobro...

>>70437253
I accept your concession.

kek so it's not a bot, just a dedicated autist.

>>70437185
No, the mess was caused by the Chinese audience being retards.

>>70437185
The HoloCN purge was the best thing to happen to Hololive. Go die inside your tofu dreg bugman.

>>70437185
>Caused by her
She wasn't even the first taiwan yab. She did it to take heat off the other retard that dug themselves into a hole. The whole thing is retarded regardless cause the chinks should take it up with recognized national borders or jewgle's analytics itself.

>>70437327
its cos she wasn't sincere in her apology. Haachama is fine to this day. Not isolated. Still friends with everyone.

>>70437293
It's pretty disingenuous to say that when you didn't even know about the bug trolls and mod problem in the first place.

Ramiel...

>>70437269
Even deadbeats have more gall than you fags. Everyone semi popular gets "insulted" here yet only ksonfags cry about it

>>70437373
To this day she did nothing wrong. It's such a stupid thing to sperg about

>>70436992
He keeps using the word obsessed because he himself is so obsessed that he refreshes a search of her name in the archives 24/7. It always takes him a while to find these threads because the archives don't update immediately which makes what he's doing extremely obvious.

>>70437327
But she did it purposefully, unlike Haachama, who accidentally did it. She just didn't expect the backlash to be as big as it is.

>>70437389
I know about those problems. I'm saying that your claim that they were intentional sabotage created by Cover is ludicrous and schizo. Like what is even the point of abandoning China in her defense if they were trying to bully her out of the company anyway? You're just coming up with headcanon that directly contradicts kson herself because you have some insane tranny-tier delusional grudge for whatever reason.

>>70436690
> Is this a bot?
yes

>>70437284
Twitch vtubers are superior to holoshite in every way.

>>70437373
Why would anyone apologize to spergs that can’t stop huffing CCP hotair for two whole seconds?

>>70437473
I never said they were trying to bully her out of the company. Take your meds you retarded fucking tranny.

>>70437473
They were intentional and Cover did bully her out of the company.

>>70437431
and you cry at an image of a fucking monkey because it reminds you of what you see in the mirror lmfao

>>70437481
Ennaschizo my beloved

>>70437479
>twitch “vtubers”
>superior
At inhaling each other’s dicks, maybe.

>>70437531
They are superior simply because they stream more than holoshit.

>>70437493
That pride and arrogance is what led to coco being isolated behind the curtain. Cover may have been nice publicly but its clear that her actions were not approved of.
You don't try and be right in the entertainment buisness. That's the mindset of a woman. Or a woke politician. You're suppoed to be neutral and not do anything that could offend. Politics? We don't want that in hololive.
She thought she could use haachama's honest mistake for content. She paid for it with her holo career.

>>70437497
>I never said they were trying to bully her out of the company.
Let's go over the past couple of your posts:
>>70436610
>throwing her to the bugs
>>70436688
>Let the bugs harass her
>>70436818
>left her to get harassed
>>70437076
>They could not mod chinks instead of modding decent people to ban the trolls.

Fucking schizo troon can't even remember his own posts. Take your meds, I've already accepted your concession and it's pointless to keep talking to your brain damaged ass.

>>70437284
>it's Jakarta mobile plan doesn't let it watch chuubas that actually stream
Rumao

REMINDER THAT THE AVERAGE KSON ANTI IS LITERALLY INDONESIAN

>>70436688
They gave her all the freedom in the world and she gave her fans this.

>>70437623
K i n o

>>70437575
That's not trying to bully her out of the company you retarded tranny. Is your axe wound's infection getting so bad you can't even tell the difference between the company abandoning you and actively bullying you out?

>>70437106
Don't expect seanogs to know anything outside of jap corpos and their copycats

>>70437106
Anything happening with Vedal or?

>>70437646
>ESL doesn't even know what bullying means
This just gets better and better.

>>70437623
ah yes, the thing nobody talked about on this board a single time until she joined vshojo and you needed to find a reason to SEAthe

>Prism letting talent keep their IP
I hate to admit it but Vshojo won

>>70433877
>other corpos dead
No. Corpo vtubing is maturing. While Hololive will remain on top, those left will be established names in vtubing for the next few years.

>>70437522
>cry
If I shit on wojak and frog fags it's crying?
It's the same thing.

>>70437571
>oh hey look, here’s a country on my analytics page
>it’s Taiwan!
>a huge hive proceeds to go nuclear because of this
She didn’t even say anything affirmatively anti-CCP or do anything that can tangibly harm the nest. If you believe your own words, the blue fag should’ve been nuked for ze cause shit, something he actually said and supported.

>>70437566
>Chinese products are superior because they are mass produced

>>70437684
>Tranny's infection got so bad he can't even tell the difference between being bad at damage control after the kami-yab and intentionally bullying someone out of the company
Didn't you say it was pointless to keep talking to me? Go sob to your doctor that the gangrene is getting worse!

>>70436578
She's completely right.

>>70436836
>cranking out such masterpieces on a regular basis
What fucking masterpieces? Nothing worthwhile has come out of hololive since kson left.

>>70437566
>stream 10,000 hours of reactshit
>stream 2x this amount in sleepshit
>this is a good thing

>>70437697
If you're going to shut down there's not reason to go scorched earth. If they tried to jew it sony's stock would have gotten ripped to pieces over it. It would have made Niji's yab look like a schoolchild with a water gun

>>70437566
>Quantity = quality
Gosh I LOVEEEEEE me some reactslop
Really makes my dick hard

>>70437766
It's hololive that's Chinese. Twitch vtubers are for Americans and other first world people who can afford premium service like Twitch.

>>70437687
> nobody talked about on this board
roru, poor newfag
https://twitter.com/kiryucoco/status/1267388517946060801
Here's her apology for this incident

>>70437855
that's twitter

>>70437816
>>70437840
Still better than whatever 2 hour dogshit slop you get from holo

>>70437806
> n-nothing worthwhile has come out of hololive since kson left.

>>70437566
I don't like this meme but
>Quality>quantity
Complaining about someone like Gura okay, but about someone who streams almost everyday for 2-3 hours is more than terminally online. I work for only 4 hours, sleep for 7 and yet I can barely keep up with my oshis

>>70433877
Watching Kson get destroyed in everything she says always brings me the biggest of joys

>>70437806
I'm sorry your whore burned her own career with her arrogance. That said hololive is a better place without her. If things were different and she didn't have a woman moment, she might have gained wisdom like caliope and learned to behave. A shame.

>>70437816
>stream 2 hours of watchalong (react stream blue dorito)
>take 2 months off
>celebrate return by announcing next vacation

>>70437773
Oh so now you changed argument from "they intentionally didn't help her" to "they did a bad job at helping her"? Which, even if it was true, contradicts your original stance and supports mine? And doesn't change the fact that you're an ESL or possibly just a NEET who doesn't know the actual definition of bullying and what it encompasses? I started replying again because your idiocy became amusing rather than irritating - now it's exceedingly clear you are some kind of failure of a person.

>>70437895
you are replying to a nijisister, not a kson fan
>>70437927
this thread has nothing to do with anything she said

>>70437571
>You're suppoed to be neutral and not do anything that could offend.
tell me again why cover still has only one dark skinned chuuba, is cover le racist?
>hur dur china matters more than twittards
so you admit china shouldn't be pissed off, but only because they have might? and not because of principle?
so much for your grandstanding lololololol

>>70437566
> """stream"""
unemployed behavior

I don't browse this board a lot, are kson fans normally unhinged or is this all a falseflag?

>>70437822
That's the logical thing to do but then again, it's Japan.

>>70434164
Holo already has a monopoly. There's vtubing in the holo sense of the world and the rest. Indies and small corpo shitters are either like 3DP streamers or trying to copy holo. They won the cultural war many years ago.

>>70437949
>have someone else stream for you while you sleep
>win a circlejerk award (to the surprise of no one)
>repeat this cycle ad nauseam

>>70437895
Marine is especially bad and has never done anything anyone actually likes.

>>70437953
Speak for yourself, holoshit defender. Maybe spam some more monkeys while you're here like the fucking mental case you are.

>>70438008
wumao are on the thread that's why

>>70437951
That's what letting her get dogpiled by trolls then fucking up the response while they're trying to damage control the yab of all yabs is. Are you a SEAnigger? Is this why you struggle with English so badly?

>>70438008
Reading this whole thread is a fevered dream i cant tell if its holofags biting the bait giving retards the you on all fronts or samefagging.

>>70438008
SEA retards from the numbers thread like to lie about her and misrepresent everything she says because they are angry that she does not do reddit meme review for them any more

>>70437852
>China bans youtube
>After the incident, Holo chose Taiwan over China
>Twitch is full of Chinese/Korean ASMR
>React content

>>70438037
>holoshit defender
>spamming monkeys
Huh? The one spamming monkeys is a Vshojo fan

>>70434209
Hololive can never be a monopoly because it's talents can act independently. The only thing they theoretically do is define what a vtuber is but every individual has variation. And Cover infamously hates that their talents aren't diverse enough, it is constantly trying to push them to do things that none of them want to do.

>>70433877
holotrannies are extremely smug, wihshing the failure of someone else's oshi is fucked

>>70438008
The board's been overrun by tourists and trolls like >>70435662 from the niji drama breaking containment. Just look at how that subhuman talks.

>>70438048
I asked you three questions and you responded with one ESL babble statement which isn't even clear which part of my post you're responding to, lmao. I think we're just about done here, probably only 2 or 3 more posts until you're completely cornered and have nothing left to say.

>>70434164
Yes, for me. So I don't have to hear shitters talk about their whoreshis and play around in the drama mud as if I should care anymore.

>>70437971
Look dark skin vtubers don't do as well. You can call it racism if u want. I call it being realistic. You can be right or u can be in buisness. That sort of attitude is why coco isn't in hololive now.
Principles is not the place for business. You don't piss of chinks because its bad for business. If your employee does it you find ways to get rid of her so that the fans don't see its your fault.

>>70438126
>kson shits on hololive and says they will be dead in 5 years
>you are not allowed to grudgepost her
Dont throw rocks while you live in a glass house. Especially not when your corpo had 4 people fuck off because of how shit Vshojo is

>>70436432
Based walled garden chad.

>>70438178
she did not say that, chimp

>>70438193
Hang yourself and never reply to me again. For someone that loves to shit on the chinese you sure love to use their tactics. I'll repeat again, never reply to me again.

>>70438178
who the fuck is talking about kson you stupid tranny? Is your mind that mindbroken that she implied hololive was slightly bad compared to vshojo? kek

>>70438008
They're insecure so they protect her honor with all their might

>>70436432
BASED BASED BASED

>>70438167
yeah if they just fired Coco and Haachama after that Taiwan yab Hololive would be on a much better position than they are right now, and they would even have the chinese market locked which would see them record high profits that would rival Apple!

>>70436432
Based. This triggered the shitters.

>>70437666
Seriously though, I can't keep with all the shit, something going on with Neuro or do I need to go and shit up their thread?

>>70438148
You don't even understand what bullying is and showed you have no understanding of the incident or even english. Cover fucked up their damage control, let her get harassed, fucked up and made it worse, then combined with restrictions on her content while they're trying to damage control she left cause holy shit who wouldn't.

>>70438089
He's claiming that only a nijisister can shit on hololive by using kson as an example even though he himself also does the same in /#/.

>>70433877
You shouldn't be so eager to assume hololive is automatically immune to the same industry stress that made these corpos collapse.

This should be a worrying trend to anyone that is a fan of vtubing.
Hololive so far is successful, but only a fool would take it for granted.

>>70438215
did i hurt your feefees mahmout?
maybe go back to your monkey echo chamber thread and you can write your fanfiction there in peace

>>70437971
Sana...

>>70433877
VspoEN will be the end of Hololive, trust the plan

>>70438028
>have no streams during year long vacation
>don't make their own award show because SEA can't watch twitch
>become mascot character

>>70438086
Chinese are always watching youtube regardless of any bans. Youtube is the platform for SEA and bugmen while Twitch is for first world countries.

>>70438260
ling ling detected

>>70436432
>anon says this
>phasekeks came out of the wood work
Interesting... maybe it's not "kson" fans

>>70438167
>Principles is not the place for business. You don't piss of chinks because its bad for business
then say so instead of saying "you're supposed to be neutral" out of principle as if a business is some moral bastion
a business can (and will be) as biased as it can get away with kek

>>70438246
There's no need to rewrite history. Coco was purged because she was a problem. Haachama apologised sincerely and was forgiven. We move on. Only the unrepentent lost her holo career.

>>70434511
Nijisanji had all the resources and talent needed to maintain the massive lead they had on Holo but the CEO isn't a visionary by any means. It's like they got to the point where they could do AR lives and then just stopped all R&D.
He spent the last 3 years resting on his laurels while Holo caught up and surpassed them on certain aspects.

>>70438310
Please show examples of good hololive content over the past 3 years, holodrone.

>>70438254
>they willfully allowed her to be harassed because they hate her! even though they disavowed all of china in an attempt to cut them off from hololive in her defense!
What's your headcanon on why kson's own explanation of why she left doesn't align with your cope?

>>70438332
Being neutral helps you sell to different customers. Since you're not taking an ideological stand. It just works. Not for moral reasons but for business reasons.
Just accept that coco burned her career out of arrogance and a woman moment. She probably seethes every time she sees hololive incline because she's bitter.

>>70438295
I don’t trust the plan but I kinda hope they make some headway now, would be nice to have any actual competition in the large corpo sphere.

>>70434140
the darkest timeline..
imagine if all these graduated corpos turn up to phase.
now that prism is dead, phase pretty much dwarves every other small corpo numbers, not just in a gap of ccv making it to 1k and over, but in terms of sheer amount of talents.

never thought id see the day where i'd be praying for the twitchtubers not to also fuck up, phase as the runner up en company is industry poison - the dramafags that they have already brought...

>>70438295
Pixellink might surprise you

>>70438295
I hope they succeed because the competition that Holo has right now is pure cancer.

>>70438312
>/#/ defelection into phasebeggars
like clockwork

>SEA hours
>retarded holo thread
There is a reason kobo got so popular... so this is the power of brown skin islanders

>>70438368
>Never said that
Take your meds you tranny. Your infection is affecting your head.

>>70438450
wdym these are peak phase hours!

>>70438395
so you admit being "publicly neutral" is just pandering, fair enough
also
>coco is an alum in holo website
>so are magni and vesper
sisters who think cover wanted coco out also have to bite the bullet and admit that magni and vesper were absolute embarrassments to the holostarsen brand

>>70438458
>straight up refused to answer the question
>posts only contains recycled ad hom
HAHAHAHAHA, fucking called it >>70438148

We're done here and I accept your final concession :)

>>70438479
>peak phase hours
>when /pcg/ is the slowest
Why are Phaseantis like this?

>>70433877
>retarded statement by holofags
The giants of early youtube no longer stand but to say youtube is dead would be a retarded statement today the same as this statement is now.

>>70438410
>phase as the runner up en company is industry poison
Runner up to what? VShojo?

nijiniggers in full force lmao

>>70438522
Phase fans are not pcg
The majority of phase fans (SEA) hunt the catalog during these hours.

>>70438295
> no clipping for 24 hours
> no teabagging, no smurfing
dead in the water buddy

>>70438600
>Phase fans are not pcg
Are the phasefans in the room with us right now?

did hololive announce some big event I missed? why are they causing more seethe than usual?

>>70438368
It doesn't align because she legally can't say it.

>>70438675
Multiple ex-nijis have complained about niji without consequences besides getting raided by nijiniggers.

>>70438559
Probably EN in general. Vshojo is well established and floating on a stable level. Phase has only seen growth. This time a year ago pippa was only finally getting regularly over 1000 viewers now shes far above that and many other members are pushing to that crest she was at a year ago. Growth is good to see.

>>70438497
>being "publicly neutral" is just pandering
It's literally the opposite of pandering. Are you retarded? NTA btw.

>>70438657
You tell me bro
>>70436487
>>70436698
Holo chads stay in their threads. /#/ ventures the catalog. pcg stay in their thread. Phase fans (SEA) hunt the catalog. Phasefags and numbers... a match made in heaven.

>>70438496
You don't even know what bullying is then state retarded strawmen that aren't part of the argument. Those are the facts of what happened in the incident. All of your asshurt stems from you being so ESL you don't know what bullying is.

>>70438733
This is insane cope

>>70438733
shizophrenia

>>70438779
>>70438787
The truth hurts the seamans...

>>70438733
>pagpags immediately triggered
good work lol

>>70438732
being "publicly neutral" is pandering to people's sensibilities and hardline moralists, when in truth businesses will be as biased as they can get away with

>>70438833
Oh so the only way to not pander to people is to be as abrasive and controversial as possible. Thanks for your incredible insight, phasefag.

>>70436039
>Nijisanji shouldn't even be a thing at this point.
They should try the Brave Groups subsidiary ACCELERATE meta.

The samefaggotry is off the charts

after seeing a certain nerd get 1k+ on just a random twitter space i really do hope the end of all these corpos brings a resurgence in indie vtubing of the entertainers doing their own thing out of passion not contract

>>70438922
>end of all these corpos
lol
>out of passion
people with passion and ambition join hololive or at least try

>>70438922
There's nothing wrong with indie they just needed to normalize grouping with similar interests for stuff like tournaments. They're doing a lot better now but they can go further.

>>70439033
There's literally no passion to be found in hololive

>>70439033
lol lmao

>>70438872
>Oh so the only way to not pander to people is to be as abrasive and controversial as possible
ofc u moron, that's what a contrarian is, and why nobody likes them
idgaf about phase

>>70439114
That's not 'not pandering'. That's massively pandering to anyone who is against whoever is getting shit on.

>>70436039
>Basically the scene is maturing and theoretical questions are being answered in real time, bringing down those who failed to answer them correctly.
walled gardens necessary
tard wrangling necessary
competent management necessary
maintaining internal culture necessary
not letting cliques run the show
Males were a fad
gender segregated branches are vital
Creative Vision necessary
Do not create lore, instead become a master at baiting lore

What else are we learning/have learned

>>70439197
contrarians agreeing with other contrarians means they're no longer unique and therefore ick
contrarians eat their own by definition
otherwise they're just lamer goths

>>70439063
Western indies have allegedly been around for longer than Japanese ones and they still can't run regular events. I seriously doubt they ever will because even if they start grouping together they will witch hunt each other like they already do.

>>70439296
You would sperg out if someone expressed a pro-china opinion and say they're not a contrarian but being anti-china is totally contrarian to you.

>>70439063
Collectives aren't enough. We've seen them enough in stuff like Eilene and Hanamori and they've not been effective at retaining a common audience large enough to sustain the members that participate like current companies in the space do. Maybe a more involved agency type thing where there is a collective effort to do things like handle backend stuff and do industry representation at least might make a difference but no one is going to get external funding or be able to pool together for a risky venture like that when the economy is headed towards a recession or is already in one.

>>70439201
I don't know what they've learned, but I do know they still haven't learned to not blow out my fucking ear drums if I'm listening on headphones.

>>70439346
I don't think it's a silver bullet it's just a tool that helps expand what they can do if they're interested in it.

>>70438301
>lose awards on your own platform to your competition
>meanwhile, said competition don’t even need to try
>that “mascot” is more iconic than your entire flock put together

>>70439299
Problem plaguing western indies is im pretty sure as more approach bigger size and start to have more sway and pull many will have started to jump onto fleshbagging, theres a couple that are dipping into it now. Probably be an issue that will keep pace for awhile.

>>70438922
Literally who

>>70439345
someone that tries to please everyone is called a sellout and nobody likes those
someone who actively wants to push away people is called a contrarian and nobody likes those either
everything else is a balancing act
you're making this more complicated than it has to be
in truth you're just assmad that some people still like coco/kson even though she offended the chinks and lost her holo career, god forbid right? lmao

>>70438663
Holofes soon and niji only gets to do live2D concerts, the niji defense force is working hard

>>70434164
monopoly? no lol, do you have any idea how many vtubers are out there? not to mention there are a sub group of people who never even heard of hololive, not even know vtubers originated from japan. even within hololive fans, there are HoloEN fans who dont even know that HoloJP exists.

>>70438733
99% of garbage threads that shit up the catalog are made by holoniggers (all #niggers are holoniggers)

>>70439761
>despite 99% of the vtuber fandom being holofags, they... shit up 99% of garbage threads?
lol lmao

>>70436578
No. In full context she was saying that some tribalists were demanding corpo VTubers to be slaves to their corpo.

The full rant was entirely about the fanbase itself.
Butshe also has criticized corpos in the past, for the skewed power balance due to the corpo owning everything of their VTubers.

>>70439694
nta but they could like coco without being schizo spergs

>>70439694
Not saying anything isn't "pleasing everyone".
>in truth you're just assmad that some people still like coco/kson even though she offended the chinks and lost her holo career, god forbid right?
Where the fuck are you pulling this from you fucking schizo? I simply called you a retard for claiming that staying silent is "pandering" when it's literally the opposite of pandering.

>>70437666
March 18th. Neuro with new outfits. And a robot body

>>70439857
this is you >>70437327

>>70439726
Yeah, this thread is full of idiots who completely ignore the existence of HoloJP.

>>70439898
Nope. Try again, schizo.

>>70439921
yeah my bad, you're this pro china wumao
>>70437185

>>70439820
Nice pagpag reading comprehension

>>70439898
He's not me. some pro advice, go be a fucktarded schizo on reddit so you have usernames to force you to take your meds.

>>70439950
That's not me either, schizo. It's hilarious how obvious you're making your retarded beliefs and how you seem to believe that all vtubers are political commentators.

>>70439963
funny you divert to the pagpag eating pinoys when you can't even capture taiwan, you filthy chinks

>>70440000
It's probably zoomers who grew up watching hassan or some shit

>>70440003
Ook ook to you too, jungle monkey

>>70440034
(네가)

>>70439825
The actual context is that she came up with some insane strawman of what a "weeb" is and started tearing into it unironically. And the overall moral of the story was that she wants every company to be vshojo with its "talent freedom", and adhering to rules and restrictions is akin to slavery.

>>70440080
>3rd world runes
Ooga booga

>>70440132
this is the second time you're acting like an actual monkey kek
>haha i get the last word before thread closes

>>70440196
>N-no u
Try harder bro
Holoniggers are the worst posters on /vt/ and /vt/'s very existence is proof of it

>>70440247
no u

>>70440025
More like the opposite of hasan, but still from the same cancerous internet politics warrior culture.

>>70440277
an enemy of hassan is a friend of mine i say

>>70440247
>Holoniggers are the worst posters
sure thing nijisis

>>70433877

>>70440260
SEAnigger

>>70440349
/vt/ only exists because holoniggers couldn't behave on /jp/, and you're the same type of niggers shitting up the catalog still.

>>70440512
it takes two to shit up a thread fool

>ban evading

>>70440542
We were having a perfectly good thread shitting on hololive before you showed up.

>>70440542
It only takes one obsessed holonigger

>>70438178
So you hate Kson and everyone else should be the same?
I see that Holopests can only think like that. Makes sense.

>>70440512
/jp/ still is dominated by holo though

>>70440637
>admits to shitting on the gold standard
finally you reveal yourself nijisis
>>70440652
how can that be me when another anon is saying i'm a holonigger kek