/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>70357955
wait till they fuck up again this month

>>70357955
it's the first of the month, wait for the graduation announcement

>>70357955
Believe in the NDA ending rrat.

>just had that Yikes engagement shit yesterday
lol no

>>70357955
until the next graduation happens everything will be calm

>>70357955
>Shutting the fuck up
Quite opposite. First the merchandise and now a full MV from before Pomu graduating, thry are trying to relaunch Lazulight popularity pretty much (well, sans Pomu of course).
I’m so glad they put it on Friday and not Saturday, it’s hopefully proof they are not trying any nonsensical sabotages that would restart the fires.

>>70357955
If you want real change, you need to hit them in the money, it's the only thing that will move Riku.

>>70357955
>nijiEN
Don't care, I'm going to fuck FWMC

Imagine killing Pomu then calling your company good. Pathetic

>>70357955
rent free bucko
dokibird tried to kill herself for nothing lmao

As a doki/sayufag I really, really fucking hope so. I just want to go back to escapism with comfy streams.

>>70357955
Please don't go down, let it be the hell of their own making.

The fanbase they pondered to are now controlling what they can and can't support.

>>70357955
They only seem unaffected because people wrongly predicted some cataclysmic fallout that'd instantly and dramatically destroy the entire company. Everyone in the branch has lost huge amounts of support, the entire brand is toxic within the western online sphere, some members still can't even publicly show their faces, a bunch of western chuubas are refusing to associate with them, and one of their members has already stepped on a rake by sparking stupid drama.
NijiEN is basically destined to stagnate hard after this because all potential fans will want nothing to do with the branch after the yab. That's really bad no matter how you slice it, it just seems tame relative to the Wactor tier explosion people wrongly expected.

>>70357955
They are the EN vtuber group with the most members and the most loyal fans. Losing some money won’t stop them from keep doing what their do.

>>70359577
They might as well stop all forms of economic activity outside of subsistence farming as you can pretty much play 6 degrees from genocide with all major companies. That's just how dirty our supply chains are and how incestuously interconnected capital can be.

>>70357955
>drag their talents to Nippon so they fall under Nip legislation
>no more pesky US/CA nda nullification
>checkmate holofags, seethe more
>niji wins again
lol, lmao

>>70359577
>pondered to

>>70357955
Good. They should think about what they did and line up the next batch of graduations.

>>70361272
win what? the vtuber darwin award?

I hope NijiEN collapses this month and literally all their fans are absorbed by Tempus

>>70361272
>>checkmate holofags, seethe more
>>niji wins again
sister its the opposite,idk if its typo or maybe you are too retarded lmao

>>70361480
I wouldn't say all since starsfags are the ones gatekeeping their base of power from femicorns. Betellion did a great job at filtering Mysta's crazy fans.

>>70361480
the homos won’t gain but the very dregs of NijiCN(EN)’s fags.

>>70357955
EN's reputation is fucked right now, but there haven't been any death knells. As long as they swallow their pride and keep their fucking mouths closed, they'll recover. Whether they actually do remains to be seen.

>>70361553
>two digit IQ comprehensive reading skills
I think youre the retarded one here and its funny you dont recognise that while trying to call someone else out.
The tone of the comment is anti-niji, not pro-niji you stupid nigger.

>>70357955
Too little too late. EN's reputation is still beyond recovery at this point and they will always be associated with being bullies. Queen bee Elira should've swallowed her pride and allow Selen to have a graduation like she wanted to.

Recover they can but not 2022 levels lol at least they're pretty much dead in the west I can see them pondering more to Asia especially SEA

Even if they did recover, who is their flagship female talent now after Pomu left? Fucking Elira? lmao

>>70357955
Shutting up is a good move when basically it was shown all they were capable of doing was making it worse for themselves being unable to do anything besides shit on Selen. Only Riku earnestly apologized for the situation and that kind of speaks a lot.

So EN is I would say not really 'safe' yet but they've simply bottled up the situation for now. Soon as they uncork it it'll be bad again. Even if everyone in NijiEN goes the rest of their days in the company never mentioning Selen again (or anyone else who left) that corked bottle with a shitstorm inside it will still be sitting there on the shelf behind the livers at all times in the background. We can guess that if they were given free rein they'd be running their mouths looking like the most petty meangirls shit possible, literally even worse than imagined/rratted about here, but they are attempting to not do that. Probably they were forced to, there's no way people that unprofessional would actually all voluntarily realize it's not helping and shut up without needing some bigboy encouragement (i.e direct orders).

>>70361480
i hope Tempus collapses next

>>70361967
Either Elira or Enna, who both have a radioactive reputation

>>70362105
And stagnation befalls onto Hololive in the next 5 to 10 years.

>>70357955
Yikes

>>70361967
Enna, although the Tekken arc can make Rosemi the biggest EN talent.

>enna
toxic personality, bad image
>rosemi
bland personality, can be a mascot but not the frontliner

>>70358033
Nah shareholder meeting comes first.
The queue is growing long...

>>70357955
Hard to say if the relationship with the Holos will ever recover
Maybe some of the Homostars will collab with da boys at most

>>70361480
homo gen1s are besties with doki
shinri shat on the black video

nah, NDF can go to that new vtuber homo agency that
>bought an ad

>>70358135
>merchandise
VPs are digital goods

>>70357955
>Are they really just too big to be affected by this?
No

>>70362064
That cork would just explode next bad thing and the toxicity we are seeing make that shitstorm carbonated and already shaken.
I think it would be better to take an L on this whole Selen thing and try to change, VShojo was burning at a time and they cleaned up enough. Just spin it back to positive with some goodwill and address the black video somehow because that’s the biggest turd in the bottle.
Or just terminate Elira and the clique and become a pure homofag branch, can’t literally be worse that now, 1 month of no streaming and fighting against an ex-talent? How do you positively spin that when your actual opponents are literally all laughing by the side?

>>70364250
Funny thing is if not for this shit the Google even would have sent the price over 4k, they would have resold the buyback and made millions out of it.
Negligible my ass, this literally fucked up their entire quarter financial play.

>>70364420
And not only they lost all that money, cover bought a multi billion studio and Riku moved all that money for nothing, it's so fucking stupid.

>>70364250
>Negligible
kek

>>70364250
Can someone explain the graph to me like I’m five? I’m interested but ignorant.

>>70361108
It's so stupid that it's realistic

Ignoring the company's stock value, the actual streamers each lost something like 3-4 months worth of active subs and are now pretty much stuck with whatever core base they still have left. They might grow in the future if they can get over this hurdle, but at nowhere near the rate they were growing before.

>>70362064
>earnestly apologize
>can't even get the bowing right
Reminder that JPbros were clowning on him for not being able to do the bow properly so he looks dishonest

i like how the mere idea of a new wave isn't even discussed. and now that i see how much money they lost (+ bad public image) it makes sense.

>>70364250
>already went down after yesterday's Google bump
Negligible kek

>>70365134
I don't think it was supposed to be a sincere bow to begin with. Looked more like "wait till I gut you filthy gaijin" one.

>>70362105
Tempus collapsing the same way as Niji will indirectly hurt Holo and cause mass unsubs. You'd be a fool to wish for this and Cover will be painted as a black company.

Doesn't matter how many "but the girls and boys are separate!", they both share a twitter handle and it's going to be bad.
>But that's good! No more sidebranch
No one would trust Cover anymore the same way they would never trust Anycolor.

>>70364979
line on bottom is time (hr, to be specific. graph is 1d, that is today, hence it ends at 15 JP time)
other line is stockprice.

>>70357955
>slowly returning to some degree of normalcy
Their stock prices have taken a serious hit in what was supposed to be a very successful quarter for them, they've lost dozens of brand deals and talented artists, so many livers want to leave that there's a fucking waiting list for it, the damage to their reputation is likely permanent, they haven't even fully shut up (the "yikes" thing the other day, for example), and it's only going to get worse for them—more graduations are inevitable and some people with access to insider info are signaling that something big is going to drop in the next coming month or two

>>70365260
ok ok the branch collapses but in a good way.
i just want them gone.

>>70365260
They don't need a nijitier yab to collapse. Assuming the bluefag isn't just being menhera and is actually hinting at leaving after his contract expires, that would all but kill homoen with only the clown propping it up since they basically lose their connection with Kobo with him gone. The rest will either leave soon after or stagnate. Even acceleration isn't gonna do shit since it's been proven that theyre basically all just sharing the same pool of 3k people. It may not be a termination but the branch would effectively be in a coma.

>>70365389
also this just came out so more people who were first exposed to niji by this ordeal are getting clued in to some of their older yabs
https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1VtIfkDY-0l6xtr7Usp-vPPM_GM3KqGdZbCANhixnvoA/

>>70362170
Yeah, Holo is already stagnated... at the top
And this is mostly because the runner-up can't stop sucking their own dick

>>70364904
It was still useful, imagine their shame if they had fallen below Cover's stock price.

>>70364250
Did it drop already?

>>70368748
Of course it did, investors have no reason to believe it will go up during this massive radio silence so they sold as soon as the index reopened. Cut their losses and crap.

>>70365944
I'm actually surprised that this isn't that covered yet by people. It's been a week since this dropped.

Also are the captcha gods hinting on something?

>>70368825
Wow, so what's going to happen now?

>>70362299
No one cares about Tekken, Rosemi.

>>70365944
That doc is such a disorganized mess that I start trying to read it and get tired of the rambling.

>>70369239
not everyone is a tiktok addict who can't focus for more than 50 seconds, anon

>>70369749
It looks like it was written by a tiktok addict that can't focus for more than 50 seconds at a time.

>>70357955
People have the memories of goldfish. Doesn't matter how big the yab, if they just put their heads down and keep streaming through it, they'll get new viewers and old viewers that swore to never watch niji again will do so. Content is king so if their content is good, doesn't matter how bullshit everything else around it is.

>>70369239
Not gonna lie this. It seems interesting and comlete but it’s such a fucking mess, with a TLDR in the middle?
Someone should take it and give it a cleanup. Still, it’s saying something those who are actually digging are finding out more and more proof Niji is shit.
Apparently one MV artist had to get all payments and NDAs from Selen but when she asked the company the contract…they send it in JANUARY. I think the truth is that Selen’s permits were clean, they had told her they did their part of the job but did not, and blamed it on her.
Fucking scum of the earth.

>>70369239
It really reads like a zoomer youtube video script. Anyways, TLDR is GURRAT

I'm glad hololive fans told them to shut up. Now they turned what could have been a major disaster for the company into a mild downtime. Thanks holobros you helped us out with your free advice so you could look smart for 10 seconds to anonymous 4chan users

>>70369076
Dunno, but the deal is simple. Anycolor needs the title to get to 4k so they can cash the buyout they did at December.
But if the title goes under 3k, that will be considered a dead title by investors and they can’t inflate the place again.
And no streamers=no reason to believe the fiscal year will be good.
>>70369918
That works as long as people’s memories are not stirred up. The black video is a living tumor, can’t fake nothing happened as long as exist. Remove it and the internet will explode. Leave it and and it’s gonna be a memorandum of why the chat is moderated.
They need to spin things back into positive so they can delete the video without backlash.

>>70370168
>Hololive fans
Hinestly if you need the hacker known as 4chan to run your business, you shouldn’t have one.

>>70359221
I can smell your disgusting SEA cunt from across the ocean. Fucking leftover women

>>70357955
>Nijisanji
YIKES

In other related news, Enna is about to have a birthday gift.
Doki 645500
Enna 651000

The charity is gonna be fun.

>>70365492
You can't have one without the other. Holostars would need to yab as bad as HoloCN but these boys owe their lives to Yagoo and if they want to leave, they can. And 2 of them did.

>>70361480
Different audiences. They're both women but I don't think stars appeals to the same niche. Niji sisters are either moving to nijiJP or to kpop.

>>70365901
>Assuming Regis would leave
If this is because he got active on his RM. This only happens because he collabed with Sayu and Doki who are hated by Niji.
>The rest will either leave soon after or stagnate. Even acceleration isn't gonna do shit since it's been proven that theyre basically all just sharing the same pool of 3k people. It may not be a termination but the branch would effectively be in a coma.
You know they would've left already since Magni and Vesper were two of the most popular homos alongside Bettel right? Losing two of your best would demoralise people but not these guys and Regis these days isn't making an impact like those two so it wouldn't matter.

>>70369918
why are finana's metrics in the shitter then? where are the new viewers replacing the old ones that fucked off?

>>70370611
oh, sick

>>70370611
>https://socialcounts.org/compare/youtube-live-subscriber-count/UComInW10MkHJs-_vi4rHQCQ/youtube-live-subscriber-count/UCR6qhsLpn62WVxCBK1dkLow
*tick tock*

>>70369918
>if their content is good
It isn't. Their whole problem is letting shitters take over the branch, and then those shitters exiled the people that can actually make content like Pomu.

>>70361364
>the vtuber darwin award?
I hope this is a category in the next vtuber award show

>>70370611
You understand they're actually happy for Doki, right?

>>70360126
Yep, considering how big of a deal everyone made it compared to real black companies this was minor so well the branch is going to stagnate for a while it might actually recover after a year or so.

>>70374113
kek I bet they are

>>70369918
They also have to deal with the algorithm. Less clippers/less collabs/less engagements means the YT algorithm doesn't push them so hard. Then there's the competition who are being pushed to the top because more engagement/more collabs/more clippers. They will literally have to buy an ad.

Is this the YIKES thread?

>>70374113
Sure

So... no graduations? How are we coping with the fact that the larper was full of shit, holobros? Waiting for the next date from Q?

>>70375134
Did anyone specify march 1st? They've been announcing graduations on other dates too. This month it'd probably be after the shareholder meeting.

It's only March.

>>70374113
lol..

>>70375336
>Did anyone specify march 1st?
>me when I pretend to be retarded

>>70370611
I wonder what sort of fuckery Niji has on deck for tomorrow.
Another black screen? Graduation announcement relay? Or something stupider?

>>70358033
Just realized I had no idea if the blue guy had graduated yet or not.

shutting up is the magic tool that makes the drama burn out, but their foundation is rotten, so this will just happen again

>>70375931
Always hope for the worst coming from them at this point

>>70375336
No, only thing he said was that he knew of two who had requested contract termination. Given that the graduation queue is probably backfilled already, people assumed they would be forced to pick things up in March.

>>70375931
Nothing, it's over.

>>70361480
Stars will never attract the obsessed Chinese sisters because they are associated with Holo

>>70375931
They are going to announce “Second chance valentine” merch, as a desperate attempt to got some of that valentine cash they missed

>>70375134
The unnamed larper never said anything verifiable. LK's the one that keeps giving dates n' shit.

>>70358135
>Nijisanji stops talking about the drama
>Instead trying to redirect to projects & streams
>"Not shutting the fuck up"
See, this absolute lack of reading comprehension is why everyone calls NDF idiots or ESL's. They literally are shutting the fuck up about the drama & scrambling for anything else to talk about.

>>70375134
Im not aware of either leaker saying march

>>70376741
didnt they point out ukis suspension before it happened as well as the fact that nobody was going to be terminated directly after the blackstream?
if you were larping, would you have guessed that?
they also predicted the 39iq offensive before it happened

In the last days of peace
/vt/ holding its breath
A graduation is coming
But when will it start?

Who will be next to fall?
Who will be last to stand?
Who can stop all this yabness
That has consequences
No man understands?

NO MAN!
NO YACHT!

>>70357955
still have the shareholder meeting and the bullet that false is holding onto for april

>>70371154
Because the yabs are still fresh.

Also, Finanas content just isn't that great

>>70383499
Finana's yabs weren't recent though.

>>70383565
Nijisanji yabs effect all streamers.

Finana also just needs to be a good streamer.

>>70383614
>Finana also just needs to be a good streamer.
might be asking a bit too much of her

>>70383499
Her yabs are not fresh, that is not why. It's because most of them were her personally insulting every audience she had so they all educated themselves and fucked off. That's also why you see Finana threads every so often with genuine advice and criticism, because some people used to like her and are still desperately clinging on to hope she can turn things around.

>>70383915
The nijisanji general yabs are still fresh and effect all nijisanji talents.

>>70384060
Okay? That doesn't discount Finana's situation. Her engagement was already complete shit before Niji blew itself up.

>>70369918
This would be true if they were getting new viewers, but they're not. The reason this current scenario is so dangerous to them is because they were already declining, losing old viewers without replacing them. And now they've dropped a lot of old viewers, where are all the replacements going to come from if all the existing sources were already insufficient?

>>70384135
I mean, is there even a chance for Finana to turn things around when even the top talents right now need to go full moderate chat? Where the new audience should come from?
This uploaded MV may be the best she can pull right now. That's saying a lot.

>>70357955
The only people who were dumb enough to believe Selen's lies already hated Nijisanji, didn't know it existed before any of this and already forgot it existed again by now, or had already moved on from NijiEN long before this and were just dead subs that deleted themselves.

>>70384555
>just dead subs that deleted themselves
Dead subs don't do anything, sister. That's why they're referred to as dead. This is some extreme levels of cope.

>>70357955
Nijisanji in the West will now be a fully Chinese fujo oriented, because they're the only ones insane enough to not care that Niji almost killed one of their talents. Because women don't care about other women and fujoshi will stick with their males. As a whole anyone associated with the corpo who isn't explicitly proven to be innocent will and should be ostracized from the EN vtubing scene along with the entire company.

I just want us to get a perfectly clear picture in due time so that once the graduation waves hit girls who are innocent can be recognized as such and continue on in vtubing, while the guilty ones get totally isolated and preferably quit vtubing altogether. I basically don't want Niji to be a part of tubing anymore. It's been outed as the blackes of black corpos and even at their best they treated their talents as utterly disposable garbage, as is evident from their mass perpetual debuts. Niji is basically a kind of crypto pump 'n' dump scheme applied to vtubing, and I find that wholly repugnant. That's without even the clique and bullying into account. They legit almost killed a person. I don't want them to "get better." You don't just recover from that.

>>70383640
nah, no matter how good she becomes it was too late for her from the very beginning. a chuuba who starts out by not pandering to unicorns and instead builds a following by being talented, likable, creative, and hardworking can get away with doing gfe-type stuff later and then stopping whenever she likes, because her brand is built around her talent, not her tits or a script full of platitudes that handholdless permavirgin thirtysomethings eat up like doritos. but for a chuuba who starts out by pandering to unicorns and building her base out of them like finana, it doesn't matter how talented or creative she is, she'll start hemorrhaging followers if she stops pandering even momentarily

>>70385079
Well that explains why Vox panders to the fujoshis so hard

>>70385357
And now all his fujoshi are literally gonna be crazy filipino woman. Maybe he's ok with it, but he's gonna be stuck into that with Niji taking most of his money.

>>70384060
scarle has turned around her subs bleed :^)

>>70358033
Two more weeks

>>70384678
I've honestly decided to ignore them from now on. Reddit is completely abandoned by the company. Youtube is hammering constantly on Niji being a black company without stop.
Twitter is twitter, honestly the only place that surpass the board in schizo levels, but even there it's nowhere good enough to call it a territory.
They come here because everyone can. So it's just like having clowns droning around while we talk. 4chan's personal entertainment.

>>70385720
>Scarle implicated in this
Scarle barely bled due to her actions that marked her not part of the clique. Petra did with the MV and that's LITERALLY why Finana is doing the same, it saw it working with Petra and hopes to use Pomu to recover herself.

>>70385069
>while the guilty ones get totally isolated and preferably quit vtubing altogether.
>quit vtubing altogether
I want them continue trying to stream as indies forever, because I want to watch their inevitable breakdowns on stream when they realise they're never going to have the opportunity they had ever again.

>>70383614
>Finana
>a good streamer.
it's been years since anything close to this has happened, as a human being she has no worth other than sex

>>70384239
>is there even a chance for Finana
quit and become a onlyfans whore

>>70385736
>Reddit
go back

>>70385804
i think those MVs were being shelved, didn't some anons say petra's took years to finally be released?

It's not like they were going to instantly disappear. What it means is the next time ANYTHING goes wrong they're going to *immediately* get dogpiled.

And something always goes wrong.

>>70388344
The horsehair holding the sword of Damocles over Niji frays a little bit more.

>>70385069
To give my best uneducated guess rrat
>Management is paid shit
>High turnover rate
>Therefore management can't be trained and it's in perpetual state of training new people as those already trained leave
The worst result of this is that there isn't a manager that can police the talent, so the talent has to police themselves. Therefore in order to make someone complaint the only way they can do that online (because they don't work in an office) is to mob people. So people are always getting mobbed for infractions, because this is the only reliable way for talent to police talent leading to a culture of bullying, high stress and mental instability. Essentially anytime someone steps out of line, there is a struggle session. This is probably why Doki doesn't want to name people - lack of management means that everyone is guilty and the real culprit is the fucked up system they have to use.
>but the leakers...
Bunch of LARPers doing educated guesses, this is why "LK" had a miss on Rosemi. If they're not posting proof, it's a larp.

>>70388740
High turnover would also explain how Selen said she was constantly getting new managers. Sisters keep trying to spread the rrat that it's her fault somehow, but it sounds more likely that either they quit, were fired, or graduated from high school so thus were ineligible to continue working for Nijisanji (unironically.)

>>70388344
i mean, what else is left after driving someone into suicide?

>>70364979
their stock cratered by 700 points after selen's termination, because news of it was leaked to the Jp side and Anycolor's dumbass IR statement (the "negligible" meme)
before that, in december 2023/january 2024, they spent $18 million on a buyback. which increased their stock price by 700 points
so they spent $18 million on basically nothing.
sure they can sell it back for an equal price, but that would crash their stock price further
only thing saving them rn is sony, who bought back a bunch of stocks two days ago
it fell 70 points yesterday shortly after though

>>70389057
when is the google thing going to happen people were talking about?

>>70388740
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VtIfkDY-0l6xtr7Usp-vPPM_GM3KqGdZbCANhixnvoA/edit?usp=sharing
there's an autist that made a whole google doc, over 40 pages long, on Niji's finances and their various yabs
it's fucking LONG

>>70389113
today I think
sony also owns 5% of anycolor's stocks, so they have a very vested interest to prevent it from falling further due to short sellers.
before two days ago, it had been in a straight two weeks decline.

>>70369918
Maybe in Japan, but not in the west. Except that's not true either because VTA is seen as a fucking joke despite being one of the pillars Anykara's trying to build too, so what's your point again retard?

>>70375959
No, Altare is still fine. Not really sure why you're bringing him up.

>>70388740
>Bunch of LARPers doing educated guesses
This, not a single person in the world believes Niji can't pinpoint the one single employee who somehow hasn't left after 6 months.
>>70389132
>it has a lot of words so it's real
Retard, they said the nijisanji resistance was a real movement. Not even 2ch believes that.

>>70389209
Sony won't be able to do a buyback like that again, nor will anyone else—so much of Anycolor is owned by corporations now that it risks getting delisted. If this Google thing doesn't pan out, they're basically out of options

>>70361553
There needs to be a Sarcasm Test that a person must pass before they're allowed to leave comments on the internet.
Imagine, Retards and ESLs removed in an instant.

>>70357955
>too big to be affected
If they were too big then there wouldn't have been multiple companies backing out of merch and collab deals

Also good luck finding artists and musicians to work on covers and other projects when it's now common knowledge that Niji doesn't pay contractors properly or get the fucking names right on NDA agreements

>>70389674
>they said the nijisanji resistance was a real movement
except it was retard. there's accounts of this snowballing into a real unionization because of how niji was even more shit back in the day
ask even the most retarded nijijp fan that have been in the know since the early days.

>>70390041
"Formed 15th November 2018. Despite it's name, the resistance acted more like a union. Aiming to collect complains from members and to improve the activities of Nijisanji. One of them was group separation which was resolved 13th December 2018 when groups are no longer a thing and everyone is Nijisanji Project (though SEEDS and Gamers sometimes refer themselves as ex-SEEDS and ex-Gamers). While there are 4 prominent members, Sasaki Saku claimed to be dragged by Shiina and Ryushen claimed to have been added as member without their permission."
even mito was part of this shit. and she's also made comments how she's worried about the state of the en branch. because she also knows what nijijp was like in the early days

>>70390683
>mito
>being a part of any resistance
She's the former #1 and perma-shill for the company. She doesn't actually give a fuck about anyone but whoever she directly talks to. Why else do you think she hasn't beaten Riku over the head for her trophies?

>>70390866
>thinking the company actually listens to the livers
niji patched up some of the issues that the earlier livers protested for, but they clearly didn't fix the fundamental issues especially in en. most likely, they fixed some of the primary issues they were complaining about to appease them short term.
to think that mito, even with her daisenpai status, can cause Riku to budge from his yacht, is insane

>>70390866
trophies? Didn't she fight tooth and nail to not have memberships for years?

>>70391026
All I've seen patched, clearly by evidences, is the MVs rules. They don't want a second Selen incident, and that's why we are getting a deluge of them, especially some that should clearly have dropped way before now.
Riku realized he couldn't avoid blaming management for this mess, and went in, cut heads, and fixed the hole in the ground. But since he didn't opened the windows, it still stinks, and of course there are the other problems.

>>70391026
>to think that mito, even with her daisenpai status, can cause Riku to budge from his yacht, is insane
There is quite possibly not a single way Nijisanji could ever recover its reputation if she decided to quit. Even the fujos would see the blood in the water. She has the ability to swing her weight and ultimately failed to do so all these years, and if she's not even going to do it for proof of her own achievements, then she's never going to.

Mito is spineless. Not powerless.

>>70391222
yeah, weird how maria and petra both released mvs back to back with former livers and their voices.
you're probably on the right track that they lifted some of the more hefty/time consuming restrictions that weren't necessary in the first place.

>>70391675
i would expect that she, along with some of the bigger livers, get special treatment compared to the "peasants" (runt 3 views and low 4 views). hence why she would be more ok with the company
even so, I believe she recently mentioned that she was worrying about the state of the en branch in a stream around mid February?
so yeah, it's shit.

>>70391222
The rule wasn't really "patched out" to prevent another Selen. It had been added right before Christmas specifically to hurt her and only her - why else would they tell her that they needed permission to use their own IP? Why else would they tell her that Nina and Mysta would need to use their Nijisanji accounts to give written permission for Niji to use their likenesses?

Also doing the math rn.

87 talents rn in Holo, 5 graduations/terminations.
180 talents rn in Niji, 25 graduations/terminations

5% of the talents graduated in Holo since 2022.
13.8% of the livers graduated from Niji since Nov. 2022

You don't even need to read into rumors or controversies at this point. Just look at the fucking NUMBERS. Something is wrong within Niji, and the NDF refuses to see it despite overwhelming evidence.

>>70391858
We know now that it can't be ex-liver perms, which means it is either:
1. Management being petty and intentionally fucking Selen over with bullshit excuses
Or
2. Perms for current livers
Either one does not reflect on Niji favorably.

>>70392757
might be both, for all we know

>>70392173
>NUMBERS
monkeys.jpg

>>70393132
>numbers support the rrat
oh yeah, it's rrating time.

>>70393226
Damn, I haven't been around Hololive for so long I forgot what Ame looked like.

>>70393571
You wouldn't remember what she looked like even if you had been watching hololive...

>>70392757
it was probably one of the petty cunts complaining to management that they dont want to be in it

>>70392757
It could be ex-liver perms and they backtracked it. Although I wouldn't be surprised if someone upstairs had it in for Selen and was just fucking around with her, because the rule was a little ambiguous.

>>70374113
hopefully

>>70395023
>hey, do you know how the MV perms bullshittery drove one of our talents to suicide?
>yeah we'll greenlight a release of 2 MVs with graduated organs just after we've terminated her and drove all of our western reputation to the ground
>that will work
>what do you mean announce we're streamlining our rules and making clear we are working on doing better?
>keeping quiet will about this key element wil surely work, people won't think it was someone that got a chip on their shoulder
>also people will still think it was all about the MV :^)

>>70388740
>Bunch of LARPers doing educated guesses, this is why "LK" had a miss on Rosemi.

did he though? he said theres a girl and a boy in front of her in the queue. He never said she was gonna be next.

>>70374113
lol
lmao

>>70357955
Unironically yes.

I think the bigger "issue" thing that may have been revealed is that most small corpo contracts and NDAs aren't worth paper they are printed on.

>>70365260
>Tempus collapsing the same way as Niji
It will be fucking worth it homobeggar, you can cry all you want, but there is much less overlapse between hololive's fanbase and holostar's fanbase, before tempus people might have given a fuck, but now all the goodwills are gone thanks to omega tranny. The only one crying will be seething homobeggars like you who call the talents "liver".

>>70388740
He also referred to the clique as "Enna's clique" in that post too, when 80% of the conversation is about Elira being the leader.

You retards are gonna go insane by the end of March when everything will be back to normal with no graduations. Build a Gunpla instead of analyzing larpers' fanfic.

>>70399080
>back to normal
Lol

>>70399080
>back to normal
DYRBI?

>>70398417
which post is "that" post in this case?

guess whos back after graduating

>>70409514
how the fuck does he still have so many viewers? Goddamn snake.

>>70389211
I don't get why people are so confidently stupid about this shit.

When streamers get embroiled by scandal, they ought to shut up about it and just keep making content. They'll stabilize out if they're good streamers and can avoid touching the massive pile of shit. Or if they embrace the drama they can even use that but it usually gets drama obsessed viewers so it's a poison pill.

People will forget if they just keep at it for a few months and say literally nothing about it, and make it clear they're not going to touch it. Its how most other streamers have gotten through drama unless they literally can't help but engage like Boogie.

>>70409514
how does that voice even come from that face

>>70404356
>What's next
Hopefully nothing

>>70409514
insert vomiting emoji here

>>70409514
What's next? OF debut with an Eiffel tower featuring Ironmouse and Connor

>>70409609
I assume face reveal interest. Though he was gonna switch to another model.
Welp, that is definitely gonna disqualify him from gaining any traction unless he actually deciddd to be a moron and take the bullet he dodged graduating.

>>70399080
Wasn’t end of February a week ago? Funny how time flies.

>>70410629
>Can’t help but engage.
The problem is exactly that. There is fuel and there has been heavy engagement with the black video.
And considering the number of streamers who have gone radio silent, their return will stork the fire again if not addressed.

Simply, all who say “silence works” fail to realize ghat ghry are right but Niji alteady dropped a fat one left to clean.

>>70357955
NijiJP may be considered too big to fail, but even they lost an OG. NijiEN is becoming negligible, as IN, ID, and KR.

Unlike before, it is permanently part of their reputation.
Asked Gemini:

NDF are shitting up the catalogue again. Guess I have to rrat it up again for wave 2.

>>70413096
>Gemini

>>70409609
I could be wrong but wasn't Kyo one of the more successful livers post Luxiem/Noctyx? I think it's a case where he's just more popular outside of here.

>>70359577
>openly antijew
Based but I don't gonna see your chuubas

>>70361272
>killing the potential grow
>with a saturated domestical market and yen in free fall
You know that, yes I fully agree with this

>>70374113
>You understand they're actually happy for Doki, right?
Acording to leaker-san, quite the opposite

>>70374113
You're joking, right?

its way past March 1
where the heck are the graduations? you guys told me there was a monthly queue

>>70374113
...Bruh.

>>70376162
https://archive.palanq.win/vt/thread/69804931/#69825120

>>70374113

>>70376162
Mid-march or later is likely, I don't think they want to terminate anyone before their shareholder meeting and quarterly earnings report that happens then. It would be better for them to rip off the bandage though during that time and try and get some sort of plan to get everyone who wants out in an orderly manner instead of the public and investors speculating if they will terminate someone else because it will spill over into their future quarters if they think that no one is going to notice roughly one graduation per month as being fine and the status quo for the next year.

>>70420121
You fuckers will wait months and when a single person decides to leave Niji, you'll say "THIS IS FALLOUT FROM DOKI" Then you'll proceed to wait another year

>>70420457
We don't really need to wait. We've already seen the subs and streaming schedules.

>>70420811
Surprise. People don't want to stream when there's consistently retards schizo posting in their chats and people are waiting for them to do anything to use as fuel for drama

>>70421145
Yeah it's great, I love it

>>70421145
People also tend not to stream if they're dead.

>>70420121
When do their shareholder's meeting and earnings report happen? Might be a good idea to mark the day after they drop.

>>70422058
March 14th is the next earnings call.
I don't suspect too much will change, because Niji will probably focus on the big Google Pixel sponsorship and the concerts they have coming up, but it's possible that Riku will commit Foot In Mouth. Smarter investors will also probably pressure him to release another statement.

Do you guys think Niji will do anything tomorrow? You know during the charity stream. Call it paranoia but my gut is telling me they're going to try something.

>>70422237
Doesn't Sayu's NDA expire only a couple days before that?

>>70422642
Sayu has said recently that she has no idea when her NDA expires and doesn't care.
People are leaning on that because FalseEyeD has been teasing some big story that he plans to put out in the next month, but I don't think it's relevant.

>>70422642
oh my god, she can time her bomb drop for maximum damage, this is gonna be perfect

>>70409609
>So many viewers
>3.2 views on a video
Holy fuck you guys are retarded.

>>70357955
Their stock didn't even get to its worst historically. Fuck, it's not even bad if you see how they've been doing the last 12 months. In the future, someone who sees the graphic won't be able to tell something too abnormal happened during the past month.

At least I learnt something from all of this: not to buy a nothingburger from you, schizos, ever again.

Would still cum like crazy if any leaker reveals they are hearing the sound of guillotines sharpening among members who want to subvert the clique. So I might tune in for more despite not believing you. Just in case.

>>70422643
Despite NijiEN rolling practically shitting themselves in every social interaction since last month, I doubt it. It seems after Wilson and Uki's responses they've actually learned to shut the fuck up. Unless they plan to do another response I think everything will run smoothly for her, even if a graduation got announced.

>>70422903
Nah, I don't think Sayu's going to do anything. She's been growing, getting sponsorships, and recently started forging new friendships with chuubas. Dropping a drama bomb would potentially damage all that, and she seems to know it.

>>70422643
So are you retards going to assume that every time a Niji overlaps with Doki, they're trying to kill her from now on?

>>70422642
What would even happen if Sayu/Doki/Mysta/Matara decide to drop a gigantic fucking bomb of a tell-all? Would they ever be able to find work again? Would Nijisanji actually die?

>>70423433
No, but it's still something those jackasses actually did, so dragoons are wary.

>>70357955
Graduations will go on for the rest of the year. By year's end, the EN branch will merge with the main JP branch and they will stop trying to oversee the global market with multilingual high school students as managers.

>>70423450
if a company had fucked me over even half as badly as it's fucked any of them over, i'd gladly torpedo my own future career if it meant they'd burn with me

>>70423518
>something those jackasses actually did

I'm convinced that the average Doki fan may have undiagnosed schizophrenia

>>70423955
They had her schedule for several days and just randomly decided to have a prerecorded slander video go out in the same timeslot as her first "normal" stream back? Either they're criminally incompetent and didn't know that their target was doing this, or they were maliciously attacking her and trying to get her to fuck up on camera with a hate raid.

>>70357955
If I was a nijisanji fan, I wouldn't be able to trust that the same thing won't happen to my oshi that happened to dokibird.

>>70424107
>They had her schedule
Proof?
>prerecorded slander
Proof?
>first "normal" stream back
Goal post shifting.
>maliciously attacking her
Yeah, actually what happened was that in the off collab, they all just decided to take out their spiked baseball bats and just wailed on her. The reason why Elira is gone is because she's planning on finishing the job

>>70358033
Get fucked Dookitard. You believed something without evidence and it turned out to be wrong. Typical Dookitard behavior.

>>70362064
If the Nijileaker is to be believed, a the talents are now keeping to themselves or to their own friend circles. They're so afraid of anything getting leaked from Discord that they are using voice chats for simple confirmation. Elira, Enna, Millie, and Reimu got the most PR counseling out of everyone in NijiEN. The NijiEN family image is over.

>>70424394
>They had her schedule
https://twitter.com/dokibird/status/1756948500728676618/photo/1
>prerecorded slander
the video was exactly 15 minutes long and monetized.
>first "normal" stream back
It was her first scheduled stream back after her redebut and a guerilla apex. It's the first time anyone would know exactly what she's doing at a specific time.
>maliciously attacking her
Glad to see the sisters still lack basic human empathy.
>>70424461
It's 6AM GMT already? You girls are early today.

>>70424757
That isn't proof they knew when she'd stream
>the video was exactly 15 minutes long and monetized
How does that prove it's pre-recorded?
>It's the first time anyone would know exactly what she's doing at a specific time.
So how come they didn't post it during her redebut and Apex stream if they were keeping tabs on her?
>Glad to see the sisters still lack basic human empathy.
You say as you assume everyone in Nijisanji are inhuman scum and that Doki never did anything

>>70425289
oh you're the same retard who didn't believe in contracts. Have fun seething.

>>70357955
They only way they can redeem themselves is if they make Scarle public use

>>70425498
God I wish. What a sex design.

>>70422643
Of course they're gonna do something. They will weaken their own position by doing some sort of counter-programming which they think might hurt her in some way, even if the only harm is slightly reducing her CCV for her charity stream. The only question is what will they do.

They interrupted her first gaming stream since her return with the black screen video. They interrupted her first YT collab stream (and also her first Not-TSB collab stream) since her return with that totally impromptu offcollab karaoke. And the white paper which was expected to drop earlier today seems to have been postponed until later in the month. So there's no reason to believe they won't try again.

There are exactly two options they can take which will not worsen their position. They can issue a formal apology to her, or they can do literally nothing at all. Neither of these options will hurt her in any way, and the first would involve admitting fault and might actually potentially benefit her, so we can dismiss them out of hand. Of the myriad other things they could do, the two least harmful to themselves would be either the wave 10 debut relay streams, or a graduation announcement (relay) stream(s).

...

tldr they're gonna shoot themselves in the dick again to try to spite her face

>>70425577
Feisty 5ft latina woman

>>70357955
Considering this company has had a pattern of being fuckups, I expect another shtf moment in the future. Unironically consider any other place of work before this one.

>>70424757
>Hurr u girls are early today
You got proven wrong. Cope faggot

>>70358033
So that was a fucking lie

>>70424461
I am surprised of the maturity level of nijisisters.

>Dookitard

Truly, how will anyone ever recover from this scathing insult that only an elementary school child can think of?

>>70425398
Another retard fighting ghosts. Tragic

>>70426021
Give them some credit. They started incorporating fag and retard into their vocabulary so they're slowly fitting in.
The "livers" still gives them away like a giant flashing nametag though.

>>70357955
They didn't learn anything. All the yabs were self-inflicted. I fear the worst interpretation is that Anycolor genuinely believed they made all the right moves. The only thing that read like a genuine corporate statemnet was Riku's apology for calling Selen "negligible".

In other words, they'll happily terminate the next deliquent with the same amount of cruelty, all in the name of "protecting" their brand.

>>70427331
>the same amount of cruelty
It'll be more. None of this would have happened to Niji if Selen hadn't survived—they could spin it however they wanted and get sympathy points—so they're going to make sure their next victim actually finishes the job.

>>70358033
They're not gonna announce graduation 2 weeks away from a fucking earnings call, while a quarter of the livers are on the shelf, and there are two concerts and a Google Pixel sponsorship on the immediate horizon.
They're going to wait until after the earnings call at bare minimum. And if any faggot tries to spin this later as "YOU SAID ON THE 14TH THEY WOULD FIRE THE WHOLE BRANCH" then I will gladly link back to this post calling you a faggot.

>>70429381
If I were in NijiEN I'd be doing as much termination-worthy shit as possible over the next two weeks to get them to publicly fire me before that earnings call

>>70392173
Funny thing is that this math is wrong, as nijisanji covers both men and women, so ironically you would need to go over all of hololive productions in order to get a proper comparison.

>>70429602
Honestly, we are rapidly reaching a point (that some would argue we've passed already) where getting fired from NijiEN is a better boost to your rep than getting a normal graduation.
>Doki pulls in 5 digit CCV regularly weeks after her return.
>Kyo's PL coming back barely scraped 3k

>>70429721
3K is way too fucking much. He needs to go down to 1view.

>>70358033
Last one was on the first Monday, so next one will likely be on the 4th of March

>>70365260
> Tempus collapsing the same way as Niji will indirectly hurt Holo and cause mass unsubs
Not really.
Magni and Vesper leaving like they did didn't even cause a trickle, despite the circumstances behind the whole thing being shrouded in mystery.
Because "company support" is not a cope they can use after getting 2.0 models faster than Irys did.

Same with the blue and orange fags, at any point if they leave, they will be sent off with nary a whisper. Cover gave them fucking 3D models and a whole-ass concert and got them meetings with Yagoo himself.
Other homos got a VN and a bunch of song Covers and other projects funded as well.

Cover has covered their ass nicely, so no one can bring up "C-Cover is a black company" without getting laughed out of most chuuba discussion spaces.

>>70370803
> This only happens because he collabed with Sayu and Doki who are hated by Niji.
you didn't see the "are you coming back? not yet" exchange?

>>70370023
image

>>70375134
The only "date" the leaker gave out, if you can even consider it a date, was that Elira was preparing to come back to streaming early march, with vox following suit

>>70389674
> it has a lot of words so it's real
but it is though?

>>70357955
gonna take a while to recover those lost subs, if that's even possible

>>70357955
Tik-tok Nijikeks

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VtIfkDY-0l6xtr7Usp-vPPM_GM3KqGdZbCANhixnvoA/edit

https://rentry.org/exx63

>>70369013
it has been covered by a few drama channels already
it seems the bigger ones are waiting to verify more info and have more ironclad evidence before reviewing it, makes sense
there have been a LOT of eddits the schizo made on the document. seems like good ones to reframe/clarify some things.
it's a long 45 pages, but shit is it pretty damning
have you looked at the financials? shit is fucking solid proof as they come.

>>70357955
What did they do this time? Will we ever get a week without them fucking up?

>>70432513
>>70431435

Dunno man, it seems the company is world record in fucking it up yet again. If this is not it I fear for the next liver who is gonna have to try to get out.
Also excuse me Vox had a girlfriedn and cheatsd on her? And these menhera still screams for him lime a wet tampon?
Fuck calling you nijisis, this is unironically whore material.

>>70432922
world record, not quite. Wactor seems to be leading by miles. Niji might be 3rd or 4th though just off of fame alone.

>>70431435
most retarded anti-niji vs the smartest nijisister
nijisister puts out a hit list and a shitty deflection/victiming blaming hit piece on reentry
most retarded anti-niji person writes a 45 page master thesis, including a deep dive in finances to prove how shit niji is
the difference is unreal

Also this fucking gem:

>Cover increased their personnel spending from 1.1 billion yen to 2 billion yen between 2022 and 2023. Meanwhile, Nijisanji only increased their SG&A spending from 1.8 billion to 2.2 billion. The percentage of cover staff being management did not change much between the year, meaning Cover effectively doubled their management budget in a year’s time (about 450 million yen, $3 million USD). Meanwhile, Nijisanji increased only by 400 million yen in total SG&A expenses (about $2.67 million).

>Considering what I estimated above (remember, SG&A covers a lot of areas, including lawyer fees), it is possible that there was less than 100 million yen ($660,000) increase in management fees, despite Nijisanji debuting THIRTEEN new livers (TWENTY SEVEN if counting the VTA graduates moving to Nijisanji). There were 9 new livers between in the latter half of 2022 in just NijiEN.

>TLDR: Nijisanji hired/promoted twenty seven new livers into Nijisanji, yet spent only about 100-200 million (200 million being the generous estimate) yen for new management to compensate. Hololive spent about 450 million yen for half the amount of talents entering the company. Even if we only count the totally new livers, that's still 13 vs 14 (and we're also counting Hololive's new gen management being hired several months prior to their debut). 100-200 mil vs 450 million yen…

the numbers don't lie sisters, your money is going to feed riku's yacht.

>>70357955
There was zero chance of the Selen drama ever effecting the JP branch and as long as JP is unaffected then Nijisanji doesn't care. Enna came back for her birthday and another stream and Millie posted yesterday so they are both probably going to resume regular streaming next week. And as soon as Elira gets back from japan and starts streaming again, Niji EN is just going to continue on business as usual. Dramafags were never going to produce any real consequences.

>>70433491
>2023 Enna: https://postimg.cc/YjsRbWhb (CCV for concert was at 13,218, Zatsudan CCV was 5,373)
2024 Enna: https://postimg.cc/jLyfPwNW (CCV for concert was 7,976, Zatusdan CCV was 3,759)
>Now look at Enna's (one of their biggest female streamers) recent concert and bday live (just this week). Compared to last year, views and earnings are down more than half, with most of the donors/viewers from Hong Kong (compared to last year, which was mostly the US).
>This is all public info that can be seen on YT analysis websites. 44% of viewers and donations last year were from the US, while only 14% were from HK/China and Japan. Yet this year, it's the reverse: 24% from US, 55% from Japan and China/HK. Total donations are down 50% as well. (https://postimg.cc/5Q0z8nBb))

cope harder sister. i'm sure the en supporters will come back any day now.
Enna was fucking 18TH in CCV for the EN side this year (all EN vtubers included). this was with her concert and birthday buffs.
NijiEN is absolutely fucked.

>>70433491
The important thing is that Doki is out and can actually create content again. Nijisanji taking a hit is just bonus, honestly. As long as my oshi is out after being miserable for so long, I'm happy.

>>70357955
I am getting really tired of Nijisanji and their fans. They shat up our hobby with their aids practices.

>>70433592
I am getting really tired of Dokibird and her fans. They shat up our hobby with their lying practices.

>>70433723
>thinks the only people who hate Nijisanji are Dragoons.

Can we have a containment board for Niji and their thrash pls

>>70433931
>it's called niji thread but these sisters can't read
there's also a flip retard that spends 14 hours a day arguing with people
if he's getting paid to do it, he's pulling some numbers, ill give him that.

>>70433567
picrel

>>70433974
You mean jobless monkey? Don’t worry, we are training him to dance on command.

>>70434028
I still can't believe that dumbass didn't think that legal and HR would never work together
what the fuck was he on.
hr is literally a shield between upper executives/legal and get shit on the most in any company
if something is above their paygrade (like a formal complaint filed by an employee's lawyer), that goes straight to legal even if they get it.
how is this so difficult to understand?

>>70434105
Oh, the one who refused to answer what he thought a contract was? That thread was hilarious.

>>70434005
>down almost half for zatsu
>down almost a third for the concert
>superchat link shows donations cut by half from last year, and 55% are from china/japan
GRIM

>>70434130
you should've used the easiest explanation
if a football player signs a set contract for $100 million and he refuses to play or retires, then obviously there's a fucking penalty baked into the contract for this shit
did the retard think that people can't be obligated to uphold contracts?
most jobs don't, but I'm sure stuff like entertainment have specific clauses for this exact situation

>>70434105
Dude he thinks contracts don’t have leaving penalites otherwise that would be slavery! And that you use a lawyer only to sue someone!
Here’s my daily rrat, he’s not gonna even get paid and he’s gonna be fine with it like a good trained monkey.

>>70434185
He was still on here when I left the house. I legit went on a hike and ate dinner and by the time I came back, he was still arguing.
It had already been like 7 hours by that point.
I hope that faggot gets paid, otherwise, I think he has legit brain rot.

>>70434222
My worse fear is that he’s sadly american, he kept bringing up HIPAA despite bring corrected multiple times Canada uses PIPEDA.
He must be some 14yo priviledged cuck or something.

>>70434363
I'm American and even I know the difference. And I know jack shit about medical privacy laws.
Must be some flip that moved here with his family like a year ago.

>>70357955
>Nijisanji
YIKES

>>70360126
they'll probably start to recover slowly as people naturally move on but if they ever fuck up in the future everything from the past will resurface and slap them again

>>70424484
well they gotta be aware of it if the leaks are real, they can't trust anyone

>>70424394
>Goal post shifting
Go back to r*ddit and your 'commentary community' youtubers like Hasan and the horse fucker.

>>70435542
What reddit? It’s even worse than here for them. Management has not even changed the monthly megathread and people are now posting Holostars ads.
I would have pity but let’s be real, pity would be putting them down at this point.

>>70429006
>they're going to make sure their next victim actually finishes the job.
And blame it on antis. I already expect Elira's first stream back (if there is one) to be her talking about 'death threats' and other shit she supposedly received.

>>70435761
>her talking about 'death threats' and other shit she supposedly received
They're not talking about it. I'll tune in for her stream, because drama, but I don't expect anything.