/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>70226737
She just took a loan basically

>>70226819
From her employer, to create content for them that they now own, and can decide to delete if they fire her, so she can't recover the cost.

I'd have assumed Okayu makes more money. How much does a properly animated anime music video cost? 100k? 200k?

>>70226891
sister are you okay?

>>70226737
Don’t let this distract you from the fact that Pekora bought a fucking monkey

>>70226956
Niji being shit doesn't automatically make Cover not shit

>>70226737
>the company pays in advance
isn't this kinda good

>>70227061
If you consider hololive is black then I don't know how you will describe what color is nijisanji.

black hole? vanta black?

>>70226737
We've known that this is how Hololive does things for a few years now, try and keep up sister. There are several reasons why Hololive doesn't get shit on for it.

>>70227110
Niji Black

*Sigh* Why are sisters so terrible at deflecting? Is it because they're women/trannies?

>>70227132
Yeah, they are
1. Delusional cope from holofans
2. Dumbass corpo tribalism

>>70226891
But Okayu agreed to that arrangement. She is a functional adult who can make decisions. If she made a mistake and she can't actually pay it off, is that supposed to be the company's fault?

>>70226737
>sisters are trying to paint holo as black

>>70226905
Pretty sure it was Lamy that said a 3D live can cost upwards of 50k+ depending on how crazy they go with it. Bae said an orisong with a pretty basic video can be around 10k, so a full anime MV like what Okayu and Kanata have done would probably start going towards the 50k+ area as well because of all the people that would need to be commissioned for the work on top of any extra licensing or copyright stuff to get it under the Okayu/Cover name.

>>70227253
So by your logic no black companies can exist because you can just go work somewhere else?

did you guys listen to it yet??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOmS6Kn0bn8&list=LL&index=2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOmS6Kn0bn8&list=LL&index=2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOmS6Kn0bn8&list=LL&index=2

>>70227286
that's exactly why niji is black company, there's queue to exit it.

>>70226891
>>70227286
Next you're going to blame the local bank company for taking your house because you missed your mortgage payments

>>70227093
exactly,op clearly have some problem with reading anon probably because of too much bootlicking

>>70226891
She gets to permanently keep the money she earns from her job.

>Second thread on this.
>Bait.
>Holo budget is 20 times higher.
>Doesn't make Niji less shitty.
>Not spending 150$ for your livers to easily solve one problem.
>Cope.
>Seethe.
>Mald.

>>70227409
>and then I start repaying them
did you just stop reading in the middle?

>>70227093
Couldn't it also help the girls save money when it comes to taxes? This kind of arrangement is win/win

>>70227249
A nijikek trying to pretend that he's against tribalism. Simply peak irony.

>>70226737
Guess you never taken out a loan before.

Notice how OP doesn't actually include a clip because they're being disingenuous about it?

>>70227347
I did now
cute animation

>>70227611
From my job? No. Have you?

>>70227256
A full animated MV is probably close to an order of magnitude more expensive even. I'd wager closer to 200k or 300k USD. And she got some big names in there.
If it were only 50k, she could easily have covered the costs herself without issue, and wouldn't take 6 months to pay off the loan, especially when she'll be getting no pay at all in that time.

>>70226737
we already had a whole thread about this sister and you got assassinated pretty fast

>>70226960
A FUCKING MONKEY

>>70227517
For artists: it's better because they signed a contract with a company and a company is usually much more reliable than a personal commissioner who's true identity they don't even know
For compan: it's better because they are the contractor, meaning they can include the ownership clause and no need to sign more contracts
For talent: no need to deal with contracts, and company also help monitor progress

>>70227643
Calling a nijikek "disingenuous" is absolute redundancy. 90% of their posts are made in bad faith.

>sisters are still trying
I know they're desperate for any angle they can go for but this is just getting embarrassing.

>>70227676
If you don't understand the many differences between being an office paper-pusher and being a corpo vtuber, then you really need to do your reps.

>>70227253
It's not like she has the option of creating content she owns as Okayu, she would have to either quit her job or start a side gig.
These contracts of "you pay for it, we own it and collect the revenue" are stupid as fuck whoever's doing it.

>>70227676
It's nice that you never had to take out a loan from the McDonald's you're working at, burger flipper-kun, but I assure you that you're very much out of your depth here.

>>70227808
>and collect the revenue
That's only until the debt is paid off, then it goes back to the normal split. Not sure why you would think they get to keep all revenue for it always. Unless you don't but just decided to skip mentioning that important bit.

>>70227808
Fun fact, record labels also own the rights to a signed singer's song.

And movie production owns the right to a film.

>>70227878
What are you talking about? Is it normal at your work to force employees to take out loans to pay for work projects the company owns? Maybe you'd be better off flipping burgers too.

>>70227347
That's a lot of keyframes.

>>70227681
Good point, I haven't looked at the credits yet but that's likely where a majority of the money goes, especially to whichever animator/animation team she decided to go with. Some of these girls go all out on the cinematics and that shit is incredibly expensive for the level of detail they're going for.

>>70227982
AIIIIIEEEE PLEASE TELL DOWN POST THIS RUINS MY NARRATIVE

>>70226891
This is one of the most messed up aspects of vtuber companies that nobody talks about.

>>70227975
>normal split
Why should there be a split at all? She paid for it. The company has her over a barrel and is getting passive income for doing nothing.
>>70227982
Yeah and record labels are super predatory. Unless you're literally Taylor Swift it's almost impossible to make money as a recording artist because the labels rig their contracts so they can take all of it.

>>70227982
>>70228142
samefag
But also record labels and production companies are the ones that pay for those things, not the talent.

>>70227517
>>70227710
>>70227093
I can’t tell if you’re pretending you can’t read or you’re just that dumb. All her monthly checks go straight to cover until she pays it off so she can only live off of what she currently has. First, that’s worse than a standard loan because while their is interest you aren’t surviving solely on your bank account, second they are still cutting her the check because they have to separate the money each member is making not to mention they would be tax fraud, and third this means cover takes no risks. This idea only works because the members spend their first 6 months entirely on saving as they don’t have 3D or any serious jobs

Most of you lost the plot on this. As long as the money spent goes on to produce something, Doki isn't the type that cares about major costs. The issue was that the money went to nothing because Niji management kept blocking her either due to clique-shenanigans or general incompetency, which lead to her mental state deteriorating.

>>70227254
Hololive is full black. Trannies jannies seaniggers.

>>70227808
This sounds to me like you don't like any Vtuber company that doesn't give IP rights to the talents. But I think you are misunderstanding the economics of Vtuber companies. If the corpos pay for the projects of every talent, they will never get any profit because the revenue is often lower than the investment. If the corpo never gets profit, they can't do effective marketing. If they can't do effective marketing for the talent, every Vtuber corpo would be useless and it'll be harder for the talents to market themselves

>>70227997
For advertisement and entertainment companies, yes. Sometimes if you want better customer results, you pay out of your own pocket to buy gifts for them, or treat them to a fancy dinner.

If you want a more creative commercial and it exceeds the fund, you fill the gap with your own money.

It's super normal for a job that relies on commissions to pay something out of your own pocket.

>>70228233
Not a samefag. >>70227753 is me and that was my first post in this thread. Me replying to that anon was my second post in this thread. This is the third. Meds.

>>70228243
>All her monthly checks go straight to cover

Docking some of her monthly salary as payment does not equate to taking her entire pay, sister.

>>70228299
Yes that based and redpilled NijiGODS always win. Kwab Holobronies.

I want to have the most foul sex with Nekomata Okayu

ITT Nijisisters pretend they don't know that record labels and movie studios exist and act like other companies are just as black as theirs.

>>70228243
Nothing you type will make me think they are taking all of Okayu's income like a Black company i.e Nijisanji would.

>>70228415
She have a boyfriend and multiple cucks niggersfaggots are only cum eating cuckolds Holofaggots.

>>70228447
>>70228437
>>70228398
>>70228396
>Kwab Holobronies >>70228361
>>70228254

>>70228447
I'll fuck her boyfriend too

>>70228192
>Why should there be a split at all?
Because unfortunately they still own the IP, and they take care of publishing and all of that. Just like the other anon said about record labels.
That said, we don't know what the split tends to be on stuff like this. Maybe she does get most of it. Or at least should from song sales. The MV, being on youtube, would be subject to the same split all ad revenue is.
I agree a lot of it tends to be super predatory, but people still sign on to these kinds of things because they tend to be mutually beneficial, at least at the start. If they weren't, it wouldn't be as common.
You have to consider all the resources the company has that the talent can use to make their life easier.

>>70228447
you sounds mad (and ESL) sis

>>70226891
Not for them, for her fans and for herself. She says so right there in the screen cap, sis.

>>70228233
Not samefag.
But record labels doesn't mean the artists can do whatever the fuck they want, if you used up, say, the studio time written in your contact, you need to pay with your own money to get the recording down.

>>70228492
Are you a faggot trannies lover.>>70228425
Kwab.>>70228573

>>70228447
>>70228489
>a minute

>>70228233
Movie studios do pay for the films the produce, but he's kind of right about record companies. They actually do things like force artists to take out loans to make their albums and end up paying them essentially nothing for records that sell millions of copies, so artists have to make a living through touring, (though record contracts are getting more and more predatory and they're moving on concert income, merch, sponsorships, etc. too).
The thing is this is universally regarded as a shitty practice and no one who hears about it defends it, whereas here people are defending the same shit here is because of le heckin dorito. There's no excuse for a talent as big as Okayu to be forced to forgo SIX MONTHS of income to produce a video that she doesn't own, while a company that paid none of the costs and did none of the work on it collects the revenue.

>>70228619
No save me niggerman. Jannies seaniggers.

>>70228533
It's also the case that the salary for popular member like Okayu is almost certainly less than what she's pulling in every month from merch sales, superchats, membership, etc.
This is just a convenient payment plan being done through her employer as an alternative to saving to pay for the project all at once.

>>70228243
>Cover pays for the MV and only takes base monthly payment
>Didn't took Merch,Superchat,Etc.
>Somehow they're blacker than nijisanji.

Are you retarded anon??? All I see is a wage slave seething because (You) need monthly salary to be alive.

Why not kys instead of being piss poor.

While I know nijikeks are usually stupid, the OP hit an all-time low. Most of the things Hololive talents do as part of their job description are paid for by Cover(SC cuts, sponsorships, events like HoloFes). Beyond that, expenses for things such as customized MVs, covers and merch, are on the talents because those are beyond the aforementioned scope. It's simply not financially viable for the company to foot the bill for everything. There's a huge difference between that and nijisanji's penny-pinching approach. Merciful God, you nijikeks are simply too stupid to understand how the industry works. What will you bring up next? The talents not being compensated for buying expensive binaural mics because they want to focus on ASMRs?

>>70228243
>that’s worse than a standard loan
standard loans have interests

>Nijisisters desperately reaching again

>>70228744
If they can't foot the bill, they shouldn't own it or get a revenue split. Simple as.

>>70228243
>that’s worse than a standard loan
If there is no interest then this is untrue. you have no idea how anything in the real works, do you?

>>70228730
Add the fact that the loan cover gave have 0% interest makes them very black baka. They should also not give their talents their bi-annual check ups and company perks.

>>70228638
>did none of the work on it
You don't know this though. Sometimes the company provides the networking and connections for artists and animators

>>70226737
>remakes the bait I made hoping it'll also hit the bump limit, but with mucho texto
You newfags need to learn. Your steam card privilege is revoked.

>>70228744
>expensive binaural mics
Even though such a cost would be a deductible business expense on their taxes. As is purchasing their computer, etc.
The problem comes when you make so little compared to your costs that you come out the other end with no profit to yourself... like dokibird spending $200K with $0 net income.

>>70226737
Not every company can work like Vshojo. It's just a different business model with its own trade-offs.

>predatory business practices, nijisanji
>:O
>predatory business practices, hololive
>:)))))))))

>>70228870
>I'm retarded and can't differentiate what is ok and not ok practices.

Has any of you retards never taken a loan from your company?
She literally did just that.
Yes you have to pay it retard but company loans are usually with no interests which makes them good.

>reveals that he's trolling
kek

Nijisisters trying too hard today.
you love to see it

>>70228870
/vt/ seems to struggle with the concept that just because nijisanji/anycolor is worse, doesn't mean that hololive/cover has perfect business practices

>>70228846
retard not everyone spends 24/7 on 4chan

>>70228798
She does everything as Nekomata Okayu, the Hololive Gamers' subgroup, and the character itself is owned by Cover, as well as being propped up by its corporate branding. This Cover will always take a cut. Which part of this arrangement do you not understand, nijikek?

>>70227253
>stones and glass houses
>pot calling kettle
>another rule for us

>>70227256
>>70227681
Bae is retarded most basic videos are not fucking 10k or maybe you’re a retard changing her words. Unless you’re getting scammed no basic mv is costing $10k usd. As far as I know there are few songs in hololive that broke $100k mostly from marine, noel’s 3D song that left her deep in the red though she didn’t actually give a price for it and I think one other member.
Moona’s high tide MV was a couple thousand which is usually the range. Most higher end ones pass $20k and upwards of $50k not a basic one. And the reason 3D lives are so expensive is because they pay for the studio, song rights, choreography, maybe back up dancers, merch comes from them, and then you add in the new song or in some cases songs.
Having cover pay it out of pocket then having them pay them back is so retarded. Then again these girls spend money like it’s water so they probably never have that amount up front.
All of this is for work so they’d get a tax write-off but they aren’t paying for it they are instead paying off a loan which admittedly also gives one but not to the same extent. Cover gets multiple tax credits in exchange because they also give out a budget according to the homos at least

>>70228959
Bro these are like 14 year old kids from the SEA posting, they have no idea how loans work

>>70228254
*pop*

>>70229047
>>70228959
anon if you don't want longer between posts its really obvious you're a pathetic samefag
And no, taking a loan from your job is not a normal thing. No one is confused with the concept of debt in general, you stupid fucking fuck.

>ignoring the artist and made them wait a couple of months without a communication
>made the organs paid them instead
>Private the MV
>Blaming the organs
>Bullied the organs to commit suicide

Nice black company you got there nijisisters

>>70228864
It's not like Cover would go out of business if they let talents own and profit from projects they paid for and produced themselves. They would still be profitable if they didn't take any money from Okayu's MV. They just do it because they can, they own the IP so they can do whatever they want, it takes money from talents and gives it to corporate/stockholders.

>spending your on money on projects that will have negligible return
that's why I have much more respect for the talents that just coast off making easy money

>>70229123
Are you fucking trolling? This has to be a child.

>>70228857
>>70227253
Interesting

>>70229040
> Hey girls, here's your budget for the MV
> Ofc you can pay with your salary if you want to make it as bombastic as possible.
> We will give you a loan with no interest

How's that a bad thimg.

>>70228996
I understand it perfectly fine, it's just a predatory operation. Okayu pays for it and does all the work, while Yagoo collects all the money.
Six fucking months of zero income, I mean Jesus Christ, how can you defend that?

>>70229142
I don't know how many times it has to be said but both Niji and Cover are shitty companies. Just because you like a vtuber doesn't mean you have to like their boss.

>>70229040
>>70229123
lol go back to college kid

>>70229123
Schizo

>Get large scale loan with zero interest
I wish I could get loans with zero interest.

>>70229243
>>70229250
>If I keep repeating my nonsense it'll definitely make it true!

>>70228988
Concepts are pretty abstract but reading seems to be the biggest issue. They see words that aren’t there, they delete words that are in the post trying to prove a point that wasn’t made

>>70229284
Okay anon, I'll happily give you a zero interest loan to buy a house... as long as I own the house when you're done paying it off.

>>70228988
You seem to be struggling with the concept that no business practices can claim to be perfect. No one here unironically thinks Cover is immaculate. The corpo is not your friend, after all. But if you can't see that Cover's remuneration and compensation policies are still among the industry's best, and light years ahead of nijisanji's, then you're just moronic beyond saving.

>B-but muh vshojo
I don't care about irrelevant westoid shit.

>>70229284
Work for a good company

Why do you retarded monkeys keep replying to this? Ignore it or call OP a niggerfaggot with sage in the options field

This thread is retarded, post sexy catto

>>70229330
You really are trying too hard anon.

>>70229243
>I spend money that's worth 6 months of my salary
> MFW I had to pay 6 months to salary to repay the debt.

>>70229243
>>70229250
>A loan with zero interest
>Cover not taking from members,superchat,merch
>"Zero Profit"

>>70229250
You have to say it exactly 0 times because it's demonstrably wrong you SEA monkey

>>70229383

>>70229243
> Okayu pays for it and does all the work, while Yagoo collects all the money.

Ever worked in a company before?

Niji not sending their best lately, what happened? They at least use to try with this shit

>>70229429

>>70229330
>I am unemployed and only relies to my parents

Anon, your nature is showing

>>70229437
Most of this board is underaged and thus have never had a job, anon.

>>70228339
Hey you are being too reasonable here they own the content so they NEED to give everyone a full AMV, suisei, roboco and holostars all of them should get fully animated movies by cover otherwise they are taking advantage of the talent.

>>70229437
Yeah, and never in my life has the company forced me to take out a loan to pay for their own projects. If they tried, I'd quit.

>>70229391
this wouldn't be an issue really if Okayu wholly owns the MV and she can claim it as her own even on her roommate account/persona. it's the fact that YOU OWN NOTHING AND YOU'LL BE HAPPY is the issue here.

>>70229473

>>70229330
You can't buy a house with 0% interest
Holy kek are you an actual child?

>>70229243
>predatory operation
Buzzword again
>Okayu pays for it and does all the work
Lets forget about her manager and staffs thats helping her
>while Yagoo collects all the money
percentage nowadays means 100% huh?
>Six fucking months of zero income
Let also forget how they have monthly salary and allowance(by cover)

Whats next sister?
Cover needs to buy girls tampons so they dont mess theyr chair often?

>Anyways 2%?????????
Hows that work???

>>70229243
How the fuck is it predatory when Cover owns her character, their corporate brand helps prop it up, the repayment has 0% interest AND the project is likely to be outside of her job description as per her contract, meaning it's a "want", not a "need"? Add to the fact that the loan itself made the project possible in the first place. Could you possibly be a bigger idiot?

>>70229523
Good, glad to know you're never a marketing or sales material

>>70229532
>>>/pol/

You guys are fighting with someone who is very obviously underage, just laugh at him and be done.

>>70229523
>Forced
Okayu wasnt forced to do it.

>>70229559
Look at the OP. She literally says she has to live off the money she's saved and won't be making anything for six months or so. You're so concentrated on Niji being shitty you can't realize this is also shitty too.

>>70226737
>>70226891

>>70229532
You can email Okayu and tell her not to do that instead arguing like a retard here, making MV that expensive was her choices after talking with cover.

>>70229330
Sure, if you'll add a clause stating that the house is up for rentals to the public and I at least get a reasonable cut from the generated income. Dumbass.

>>70229565
This.

The MVs being put out by talents on their own channels aren't mandatory. They wanted to make it not cover.

>I want to do a project but I can't afford it.
>That's okay we'll pay for it and you can just pay us back at your own pace.
This is less jewish than a real loan.

>>70229565
>How the fuck is it predatory when Cover owns her character
That's literally what makes it predatory. They can force her to pay for things that they'll own, because they also own her.

>>70229573
arguing with a wage slave is like trying to talk with garbage
>Verification not required

>>70229243
You don't realise that her managers would've helped her with that right.
And that she would've used covers channels to book the studio, animators and audio people right.
And she is using the IP which is owned by Cover.
Sounds to me like you want a rainbow lalaland, never try to open a business you will just waste everyones time and money.

>>70226737
>nijinigger uses the spell
it's not effective

>>70229688
>force
she asked cover for the money you absolute fucking retard

>>70229688
So what should cover do in this situation? Give her the IP?

I bet Marine gets discounts on her high quality MVs just because it's a legit chance to brag about working on her stuff

>>70229532
>The MV features Nekomata Okayu, a Cover IP
>She should be able to claim it as her own through another persona

Absolutely retarded. You're totally clueless on how things work in the chuba industry. Or any industry for that matter.

>>70229612
So now the monthly salary and allowance is a lie?
Jesus Christ Man!
Go back to school man, what the fuck are you doing here?

>>70229243
How does Yagoo collect all the money when he earns less then the talents and all of the money goes back into investing in stuff like 3D studio that allows talents to make more and better content? Should they spend on stock buyback instead?

>>70229817
Nah, on yachts

>>70229766
sisters are sending their best, pls andastand

>>70229790
then Cover should pay for it without taking a cut on Okayu's salary if they insist on owning it.

>>70229714
>if you do all the work, and pay all the costs, you should own what you produce
>this is rainbow lalaland, i bet you think the govt should give everyone a pony

>>70229817
You don't understand anon, that's how riku-sama would done it. For the yacht

>>70229772
For this specific MV? Yes. If they're completely unwilling to split any of the costs, they shouldn't collect any of the revenue.

>>70229923
Hololive talents get a 50% cut

>>70229040
Honestly the hardest part about arguing is I don't actually know the costs of any of the MVs. I went around to see if there were any clips of expenses mentioned, since I could have sworn one of them said something they did was in the mid 8 figure range in yen, which would be 6 figures USD. But maybe it was 7 figures in yen.
I did find that Bae mentioned fully animated MVs are 7 figures though so I guess you'd be right, and I was way off. My search reps are pretty bad though, might try again searching in nip if I can figure out what to search for.

>>70229876
Why do you think okayu would want that?
Okayu payslip for it and she gets to decide what's in the MV, if cover payslip for it cover will decide what's gets to be in the MV.
And if they fund her mv they will have to fund every talents mv, you think the homostars ip will ever make enough profit to pay off a Marine MV?

>>70229817
Yagoo is worth at least half a billion dollars. He doesn't have a very big salary, but he owns tons of Cover stock.
I don't really see why Okayu should go without income for six fucking months just so Yagoo and other stockholders should be slightly more wealthy, feel free to keep calling me underage and SEA about it.

>>70229876
>taking a cut on Okayu's salary

Nigga What???
Did you just combine all words we replied /here/ to come to this conclusion?

>>70226891
Kson isn't wrong about how the vtuber corpo system is messed up but marketing is too vital in the entertainment industry. Hololive and Nijisanji talents are contract workers that make a lot of money but own none of their content. Even if they make thousands of videos over the course of a decade if they anger management they can easily get terminated and have their channel deleted. Can understand why VShojo is well liked by vtubers. Even if they can't make an indie famous it's the first major agency that lets vtubers have actual ownership rights.

>>70229532
Niji is still black, even if you try to make Cover look bad. And frankly none of the holo girls dont need to work single day after they naturally retire, so why would Okayu care who owns the MV?

>>70230005
Holy retard

>>70227253
oh you mean like Selen agreed to just stream for niji right? She agreed to the terms in a contract, that she later broke. She's a functional adult that could make her own decisions, her being a menhera spaz that can't take normal workplace banter isn't the company's fault.

>>70229243
You think that she found out that she has to pay her personal projects after signing? Are you this retard? She knew about it so what you complaining about?

>>70230005
>feel free to keep calling me underage and SEA a
Oh... so there it is
This sums up the schizo
>Probably a flip to booth

>>70229986
A episode of anime, according to trigger studio, costs 400k USD to produce, I think it's face to say a animated MV would cost about 1/2 to 1/3 of that.

>>70229876
Why would Cover pay for it and not get a cut, when the project was initiated by Okayu herself, using Cover's IP while not being within her job scope? Do you even know what a "job scope" means, you unabashed retard?

>>70230005
Yeah okay this has to be bait
>KYSXDA

>>70230089
>A peenoise

That's all they are.

>>70230071
Thus the nijibootlicker reveals herself.
The problem isn't here paying out of pocket, the problem is dogshit management and toxic culture that attracts subhuman management, organs and subhuman bootlickers like (you).

>>70230089
really makes you think
They were outed alot of times already

>>70229243
Okayu thought she had the same financial status as Gura and bit off more than she could chew. Gura was probably recovering from the money sink immediately through 1/5 of the Dino merch sales

>>70229231
I addressed all those points in the statement, I even brought up the very real possibility that they almost certainly don’t have the money on hand which is why they do it this way. Budget isn’t for the MV that’s for the 3D live
Now I called it retarded but more than likely necessary. If it’s not necessary though it’s bad for multiple reasons
>they lose out on the write off
>they won’t get any new salary until it’s paid off so let’s say they have to move last minute because of a stalker, which has happened, they have to spend exorbitant amounts because they have to be fast and western streamers caused a lot of housing problems
>The payment is completely reliant on cover so any issues come up an extra 0, decimal in the wrong place, jealous employee embezzling all falls back on to them.
The chances for bad outweigh the good but at the same time these girls don’t understand the value of money so it makes sense Cover does this. Well what would make the most sense is spending within your means instead of money you don’t currently have

>>70230005
>taking part of her salary to repay the loan means taking her entire paycheck

Yes, you are indeed an underage SEA retard.

>>70230086
The problem isn't that she just found out about it, but that it's a shitty contract. "You pay for it, you produce it, we own it".

>>70230206
She literally says in the OP she'll be living off the money she saved until this is paid off.

God, the corpo side of the industry is so fucked.

>>70230280
pipe down /lig/ger

>>70230206
he just learned the salary thing because we mentioned it
he clearly doesnt know (even the allowance thing)

Plus the girl are smart girls, they do buy house/mansion in tokyo instead of thrwing their money on random things
>Heck even RBC bought a big mansion in tokyo last year
Fucking RBC! One of the least popular girls in holo

>>70230193
I'm pretty sure Okayu knows how much money she has and tends to make.
She knows she can survive six months without the base Hololive salary

op is a faggot

>>70229284
>I’ll give you that loan but in exchange for 0 interest you give me your entire paycheck until it’s paid off
Vs
>You pay me an extra 5k but the payments are only 600 a month. If you keep your payments on time might even waive a few grand towards the end

>>70230005
>He thinks she won't earn a single penny in 6 months
Look retard I am going to tell you something.
Okayu unveiled her MV on her bday live, which had merch.
Holos get more then 50% on custom merch, and mid tier holos easily sell 200k+ dollers worth of merch, now she is doing unlimited handsigned once this time and the merch is fucking good so I wouldn't be surprised if it sold half a million USD worth.
You are actually, unironically a retard if you think she has no income for the next 6 months. Not to mention holofest is coming up and cover gives out the highest amount of money in this quarter.

>>70230071
Selen broke the terms because the management didn't keep THEIR part of the contract, which was to efficiently help her manage and coordinate her projects, ie.being an effective support staff. They frustrated and obstructed her at every turn. Comparing Selen's situation to Okayu's simply shows peerless stupidity.

>>70230322
>buying real estate in japan is a smart investment
You really have no idea what's going on, do you, ESL-kun? You're totally in the dark.

>>70229333
You wrote this long post to say you haven’t been reading the thread

>>70227347
That's pretty impressive. Must have cost a LOT.
The music's not my thing, but I hope Okayu's fans liked it.

>>70230005
go to sleep nijisisters
its already midnight in pinoy

>>70230280
Last time I check BAO is having a meltdown over 16K she lost
>16 fucking K only
Thats Holo ID tier income

>Take the Indie pill they said
>Own your IP they said
>Join mythic instead
Even though Fillian cant afford to make her own vtuber avatar

>>70230034
Vshoujo is not a major agency because they aren't doing shit to push the medium to new grounds.
They are just providing services to their talents that are terrorizing the culture with their face reveals and IRL content. All twitch whores have given up on virtuality.

>>70228990
You do

>>70226737
Is this another Iroha/Fuwamomo/Otakmori thing btw? Purposefully mistranslated clip to stirr shit up?

>>70230368
>we should believe my schizo headcanon about how much okayu's earning, rather than her own words
How about no?

>>70230369
extra vanity projects aren't a requirement or necessary, you dont see most of the other girls always trying to push through this shit and rock the boat. She was a pain in the ass and a shit-stirrer that was mad she didnt get her way, period.

>>70226905
More

>>70230071
>NDF trying to sneak in

>>70230382
KEK! You really think thats a bad idea?
The ever increasing rent in tokyo???
Youre a fucking retarded

>>70226737
>trying again after the last thread didn’t go the way you expected

>>70230208
> You own a property
> Someone uses that property to create something new, spent money during it.
> You two split the revenue.

Is it so freaking hard to understand? Marvel give Spiderman's IP right to epic. Epic spent money to create the Fortnite spiderman skin, marvel and Epic split skin revenue while marvel can decide if they pull the skin off the store or not

>>70230465
Holy shit I kneel

>>70230483
I'll help you out.

>>70230247
Using your savings to make up for temporary shortfalls in your income does not necessarily mean your entire income has been taken away. You've never held down a job for more than 3 months, have you?

>>70230445
>My words hold more value then covers report and merch sale numbers.
Seething shitter lmao.
Thread titlereading should warrent public execution.

>>70226891
is the same shit in any company
work you do is also owned by the company: code, designs,logs,etc.
The world works like that. They choosing to spent money THEY KNOW wont be getting back is their choice, cover aint forcing them to make music or MVs, or big ass tournaments, they do it for the fans.
Most of the clips you will see about holos discussing costs is just to explain how things work but not done out of malice or to jab at cover, rather to explain how things work and how most projects dont recoup costs because the nature of music covers, mvs and youtube itself. Even marine said about how expensive her song with gura was but how it wasn't done for profit. Only a retard will complain to the company about choosing to spend money they know they wont get back.

>>70230525
>home
>mansion
yes youre a retard

>>70230445
So suddenly her cuts on membership,superchats,merch,etc are non existent???

Be a clown somewhere else would you.

>>70230247
Lmao that's on her, she can take 2% or 50% of that salary but she chooses to spent it all to pay the loan faster, that's on her. Are you just mad on her behalf or what??
>But but Cover own the IP
She literally talk with them and still made it for her fans anyway, so she know what she's doing.

So what's exactly the problem that made you seethe and deflecting here??

>>70230208
Cover tho doesn’t care if she does the MV or not, so ofc they aren’t gonna pay for it, cover just pay for what the chuubas are required to, not personal projects tho

>>70229703
You don’t actually have a job

>>70226737
its just a loan of a money she already have
she could pay it by herself but this system is better
she actually doesn't have to draw the money she have to pay for the clip, lose passive gain and pay japanese retarded taxes
instead she have the option to get the loan and pay with a money she would get anyways
she is winning

>>70230406
ongirya here
we love the video, and we love our cat
she chose to do something cool for her fans and community, and both she and us are very happy with the result

NDF just earned themselves some new antis by using my oshi to try and stir up shit

>>70230403
I did, though? Your continuous strawmanning is hilarious, if not pathetic.

>>70226737
Are fans actually happy when their oshi does stuff like this? Honestly I'd rather them just have the 10s of thousands of dollars for themselves to live comfortably and just stream more than spend all this time, effort, money on a single cover/MV. I mean its fine if they want to do it for themselves but so many times I hear "I want to give back to the people who give me money"

>>70230465
Jesus, big guns I kneel.

>>70229923
An interest-free loan is splitting the costs.

>>70230455
Your inept management is why Pomu left, why your branch has reclined, and why their primary audience are brownoids from SEA.

Worry about your dying branch nijikeks.
you shitting up here wouldnt change public opinion about cover lmaoooooo

>>70230098
Honestly that's what I was thinking as well. While an anime episode might have more to its expenses, a fully animated MV often keeps to a higher quality throughout and thus costs more. So ~1/3 - 1/2 the cost while being ~1/6 or 1/7 the time would make sense to me.

>>70230525
that japanese homes means the homes in the rural area
Theres even a japanese promotion where yo u can rent an entire house with garden for 1$ monthly

Tokyos condominium are different anon

>>70230349
>You pay me an extra 5k but the payments are only 600 a month. If you keep your payments on time might even waive a few grand towards the end
>He think the amount they get from interest is this low
Don't reply to me ever again child. Don't reply back to me.

>>70230542
> Only a retard will complain to the company about choosing to spend money they know they wont get back.
Doki....

>>70226891
this is strange as fuck when you think about it

>6 months of no pay so I can buy something that benefits my company
It's more complicated than that obviously, but it's still very strange.

>>70230098
>Trigger one of the top studios for original anime

>>70226737
btw
>SALARY
she can pay the thing with 6 months of her SALARY kek
maybe is just translation fuckery but imagine if besides their merch sc and stuff income they also had a good salary

>>70229383
My Okayu folder is pathetically empty. NEED more sexy cattos.

>>70230564
You’re arguing with an underaged insincere concernfaggot, you can’t win anon, it’s not worth it

>>70230706
twisting word and using mococock to hide your niggering huh?
Is the Niji merge gonna happen soon?

>>70230597
I don't, cause I'm the one who gives jobs anon.

>>70230711
No I seen that slip she indeed did say salary, no idea what she meant in the context of saying it though

>>70230116
He said cut on okayu’s salary but cover gets a cut regardless what are you saying? They get a cut of every member, every super, the merch sold, and the ad rev from that stream. Even if okayu paid for all of it herself they’d still get the cut which is his point

>>70230455
>extra vanity projects

Which is exactly what Okayu's project is all about. You're shitting on Selen for taking on projects, but you have zero problems with nijisanji's treatment of her. Meanwhile, you try to flip the narrative in Okayu's case because shitting on Cover was your intention all along. All this despite the fact that Cover's handling of "extra vanity projects" is infinitely better than nijisanji's. Could you possibly be more of a shitposting hypocrite?

>>70230711
>maybe is just translation fuckery but imagine if besides their merch sc and stuff income they also had a good salary
Funny you should mention that.
Its exactly what they have

This confirms that sisters are either unemployed or mcdonalds tier wagies.

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>>70226737
An animated project like this tends to increase the sale of related products, it's why Bandai makes Gundam episodes free to watch in most of Asia, for an employee this makes sense if they receive a decent cut of merchandise sold. Since this is released in conjunction with her birthday goods more of those will be sold compared to if Okayu didn't commission this animated video. The following is speculation but if it's true that Cover Corp lets their employees get a larger cut of merch profits if they personally fund the production costs up front, it's likely that she blew her budget funding her own merch for that much larger cut and took this loan agreement with Cover to pay for the animation.
This animation should also move more of her existing merch off the shelves, something retailers keep track of, as a result will order more when future licensed/tie in products are released, guessing from the difference cost between Good Smiles in house vs Hololive licensed products and assuming a 50% licensing fee split between the talent and company, she'll get 10-15% of the sticker price whenever they release or rerun a figure, Nendroid whatever. I'd consider this animated music video a gamble for increased future earnings but a relatively safe one.

I collation of the sage wisdom of this thread's financial experts.
>it's normal to have to pay your boss to be allowed to work
>it's normal to not get paid to six months
>you should be grateful your boss isn't charging you interest in addition to not paying you
>if you don't believe these things you're underage and never had a job
>also you should buy real estate in japan it's a great investment

>>70230864
Their mostly underage flips(possibly trannies)>>70230184

>>70230939
Trying too hard.

>>70230939
You should try collating proper English instead.

>>70230953
But why flip

>>70230939
sure keep bending everything
Just like how you bend your gender

>>70230896
Ayiieee nijikeks don't look!!

>>70230939
>Mindbroken massflagger has negative reading comprehension
Sigh so many underaged monkeys here.

>>70228243
You are trying too hard sister.

>okayu wants make an expensives MV
>doesnt have the money to pay for it upfront
>talk to cover about it
>agreed on a loan to help pay for it and help get people you wouldnt be able to get as an independent to work on your MV
>somehow this is worth than selen situation

>>70230780
She meant that Hololive actually pays their talents a salary for actually working. Unlike some other corpos where there isn't a base salary and they still expect you to pay entirely out of pocket.
And having it be a loan just makes the whole thing even easier for a Hololive talent, since the money being from Cover means that management is going to be directly involved in paying the artists and helping to organize the project. 0 interest is also a big deal when you're talking about loans.

>>70230821
Yeah? Because everything she does, she does so as Nekomata Okayu. And Nekomata Okayu is Cover's IP. If she had a side gig, with a completely original character, Cover would have zero rights to the income generated there. This is basic IP law. Why is it so difficult for some of you to understand?

>>70230896
Cover would clearly do ANYTHING Gura asks in order to keep all this selling power

>>70229333
>No one here unironically thinks Cover is immaculate
nigger have you not seen the way any criticism of cover or hololive is immediately assumed to be from nijisanji fans? go look at /hlgg/ some times, there are a lot of people who have the corpo itself as their oshi, rather than any individual talent

>>70230465
Damn, I haven’t watched her MV yet (is it out?) but those are some considerably big names. Interesting that she could grab them at first place

>>70231047
Nijiniggers truly are the cancer on this fandom
Theyre really trying hard to make everything bad and make anycolor good

Even asmongold and charlie are laughing at them, even calling them Mindless Pigs

>>70231047
It's really a night and day difference. One is the company working with the talent to help enable them and make a project happen, the other is a hostile work environment where the only role of management is to come in at the last minute and tell you your project is cancelled.

>>70230896
Tremble before the might of The All-Powerful Wealth Producing Shark.

>>70231105
Then why they don't allow her to do cute and funny content then

>Holo is bad because it lends money to employees for special projects that they personally want to do (outside the scope of the company's activities).

what

>>70230693
How could you know the interest is low if I never gave a principle amount? Do you think the 600 monthly is somehow interest? An extra 5k could be 200% interest for all you know but you don’t because you’ve never had a job before. You’ve probably never had a credit card either because your country is so shit. This probably isn’t even your computer

>>70230939
>you should be grateful your boss isn't charging you interest in addition to not paying you
Actually, you should be grateful if they don't sue you.

>>70230098
Holos have talked about costs of MVs and projects all the time
simple ones can cost like 200k yen to even beyond 100M yen depending on the MV.
Everything the girls do cost money even the tournaments and what can get those costs back is minimal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feTpmMRah3g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DGIn_Zd_J4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUTso5qunJg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5lga6STJ08

now people need to undertsand one thing. THe girls make a lot of money and they can get away with this because they dont release or do tournaments one after another like an idiot that likes to burn through money. Only a retard would waste their money like that.
Even Ame mentioned one time how the smoll adventure episode she commissioned was a one time thing because it is really expensive. They are smart enough with their expenses.

>>70231133
Yup, go give it a watch.

>>70231047
The entire "loan" angle is stupid because even if Okayu had saved up and paid entirely out of pocket to produce it, Cover would have still taken half the revenue despite absorbing none of the costs.

>>70231105
wrong, they're just as retarded as Nijisanji

>>70230939
Your stupidity has been on full display for nearly 2 hours now. You can try as much as you want to spin the narrative in your favour, but unless you start deleting the moronic shit you've been posting, anyone could just scroll through and see how much of a strawmanning idiot you are.

>>70231162
You're talking about a house you retard when you brought up 5k. Can you underage fuckers not even read or understand how much house loan is? Fuck off you should be banned for being underage

>>70231127
It's not paranoia lmao
>>70230071

>>70226737
Okay so I may be stupid... but if it's just her "salary" and not her cut of Superchats and stuff then she'll be more than fine.

I of course don't know if they differentiate the two

>>70230821
That's the point cover will just take a higher cut if they start to pay everyones shit.
Braindead monkeys just say shit while not seeing what sort of chain reaction and implications it has.

>>70231213
And Okayu would pay more taxes and lose passive income

>>70227286
Ever since Coco left in July 1, 2021, it's been 2 and a half years, and not a single other JP holo has even expressed their will to graduate.
Shorter for EN thanks to Sana, but it's still just one person who just wasn't suited to streaming, and still doesn't stream.

NijiEN branch started with Pomu's debut back in May 16th of that SAME YEAR btw (2021), and it crumbled into fucking dust with 5 graduations and 2 terminations and the branch's entire reputation in the fucking core of the Earth.

The situations between the companies are NOWHERE alike, and comparing them just exposes your dumb woman brain to the rest of the world.

>>70231047
selen was a fucking idiot that did like 3 tournaments and 2 songs in a whole year.
there is a reason no one in niji or holo handles more than 1-2 events a year.
Even the 3d lives cost a shit ton of money. From all the wrong doing niji did to her that 200k she lost were entirely her choice and anyone complaining about it really doesnt know how this industry work

>>70231269
>uh actually okayu would LOSE money if she owned the MV
Why are corpo drones like this?

>>70231127
>generals tend to have hardcore autists suffering from tunnel vision

Wow, what an amazing revelation. By that logic, the mere existence of /#/ means the whole board is filled with numberfags.

>>70231247
>It's not paranoia
most of the time it definitely is, remember that a broken clock is right twice a day. almost anyone who doesn't have a corpo like anycolor or cover itself as their oshi has reasons to dislike agencies and their management in general

>>70231172
forgot bae's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH3DlZxSWV0

>>70231294
Kiara has been clipped for saying she was thinking about graduation in 2023 before things got better.

>>70230939
>Lie/Bend the truth/Projecting
Daily Reminder that Nijisanji is dying because of their own fanbase stupidy

I cant wait for Miload to send his graduation form so we can all watch nijiniggers cry, seethe and mald

>>70230774
>He thinks being an employer or business owner means he doesn’t have a job
Yea I’m sure you do

>>70228638
> produce a video that she doesn't own
and this is the difference between a VTuber company that wants this to be the main career for their talents for 10 or even 20 years, compared to Mr. Short Term Pump and Dump over here.

Can NDF sent some competent shitposter please
Sisters might do it for free but this is clearly producing the oppsite effect

>>70230706
it benefits her channel which generates money for herself, retardsis (male)

>>70231315
They said nothing about ownership retard, it's about who's paying the artists.

>>70231315
owned?
she would never ever own the mv even if she didnt get the loan
are you stupid?

>>70230774
You literally conflicting yourself with that statement
What is your gender btw? Im 100% sure its made-up gender

>>70231213
Costs aren't only in the form of money. Stuff like Cover making sure all of the expenses are covered correctly, having managers working with her on the project to ensure it comes out on time without issues, etc. would all involve costs that they'd want to recuperate.
That's the tradeoff of being a corpo Vtuber. They get a cut one the money in exchange for better structure and organization than you could get as an indie.

The only time this becomes a problem is if the corporation doesn't actually offer any support and is purely a net negative.

>>70231363
Sure am, I'm literally lying in couch and generating income.

>>70230847
>>70230711
They have an incredibly low salary and this was brought up years ago. It’s only brought in if you get demonetized

>>70230034
too bad it doesn't seem to translate into interesting content for their audience but no wonder lazy whores love the idea of coasting to a bigger fanbase.

>>70227347
Yeah, it's pretty great, both the song and message

>>70231265
>but if it's just her "salary" and not her cut of Super chats and stuff then she'll be more than fine.
correct

>>70230928
Gundam anime is being compared to a music video only seen by her fans. I thought op was dumb but you’ve cleared the bar

>>70231485
>okass
>doesn't actually show the ass

>>70231127
There's a reason why the "things Cover should do" copypasta existed. Such a thing would never exist within the Niji fanbase.

>>70231392
>Greedy yagoo taking Okayama money from her mother she paid for
>Hurr durr yacht
Nijinogs gonna nog

>>70231426
>uh actually the management is doing a ton of work
No, they are not.
>That's the tradeoff of being a corpo Vtuber.
I have no problem with the corpo model in general. Stuff like "we pay for the model, but we also own the IP" are not a problem with me. It's when you start pushing off all the costs on the talents AND you're still retaining the rights and taking your standard cut that raises my eyebrows.

>>70231213
>the entire loan angle is stupid because even if it wasn't a loan [blah blah blah]
fucking KEK

>>70226737
Wow, it must really suck to be able to afford to do this kind of thing. Working for Cover and making so much money must be really awful.
Well, you can always tell a place is terrible to work at when there's high employee turnaround. So let's see... how many of the girls have left...
*rustles through papers*
*squints and adjusts glasses*
Ah, yes. Here they are: Chris, Aloe, Coco, Rushia, Sana, and Mel. And Of these, only half left voluntarily.
So Three. Three talents out of a total of 69 chose to quit hololive over the last 6 years. 75 if you count the disbanded CN branch.

>>70230071
Okayu's video is still there on her channel : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOmS6Kn0bn8
"Management" didn't find half-assed reasons to harass her in order to take it down.
No one in Cover was banned from making international tournaments either.
No one in Cover had to pay out of pocket for prizes for art contest winners because of the company refusing to, in fact Cover gave away a few Acrylic stands as Prizes for a tournament in one of their fan-games (Idol Showdown).
No one in Cover ever got their dream sponsorships taken away either - in fact, Cover does a good job of matching sponsors with the holos that actually enjoy that product (e.g. Hime with Yamaha Electone, Subaru with YuGiOh, the Valo playing girls with RIOT-ONE etc.).
So you can stop your disingenuous yapping and go back to your basement, nijisister.

>>70229123
>samefag is when people tell something i dont like

>>70231245
Point to the word house please.

>>70230706
Corporate exploitation isn't strange, people are just stupid

>>70231560
>No, they are not.
Confirmed for having never worked in a job with functional management.

>>70231127
Because it is most of the time seething shitters talking out of their ass.
Shit isn't black and white, cover is rather fair in giving money to the talents where they deserve it, and I wouldn't be defending them if they just sat on all the money they have.
They don't just sit on the money or ip, >>70230896 this isn't a mere talent agency anymore, it's a cultural phinominon and cover is very much responsible for bringing it to this level.
They get shit for every talent, invested in studio and a whole ass platform.
Cover is also very fair in it's management, the fact that so little people have left is enough evidence of that.
You seething shitters don't understand this ecosystem, if there is a problem we can fix it ourselves, it's really not hard to make cover yeild if the fanbase doesn't like something (HLZTL) we don't need a bunch of westoid freaks shitting out their braindead openion over it.

>>70230477
>sneak in
This whole thread was made by NDF sisters to point out holochads' "hypocrisy" while shutting their eyes and ears to the difference of situations.

>>70231540
>Such a thing would never exist within the Niji fanbase
I don't know much about niji's fanbase, but I seriously doubt that. the idea that any entertainment company could exist for more than a month without fans having complaints/suggestions just flies in the face of common sense

>>70231569
So a company can't be bad if they fire employees? Interesting how you don't apply that standard to Niji and Dooki

>>70231127
>any criticism of cover or hololive is immediately assumed to be from nijisanji fans?
Mostly because the majority of the criticism is trying to equate Cover to Anycolor in terms of how black the companies are when anyone who views the companies without any bias can see that they're not even in the same dimension. That's not to say Cover is perfect though because they aren't. It just comes off as deflection and whataboutism.

>>70231569
notCoco doesnt even brag anything expensive anymore
back on her holo days she always brag her stuffs she bought (like her 9K Bed)
But know she looks like leaving in a storage room turned apartment

>>70231453
apparently they used to have a minimal wage part timer salary but now cover share some money thing with their talents according to their performance it goes up to 30k monthly

>>70231232
That’s honeyworks not cover

>>70231269
You’re dumb spending money on work related endeavors gives you a tax cut. How would she pay more taxes

>>70231623
Sister just got used to niji's style of miss management

>>70231127
>/hlgg/
>corpo itself as their oshi
You mean /NijiEN/ right?

>>70231623
Which Cover managers did a lot of work on the song? Who were they and what precisely did they do? Be specific.
Oh wait, you can't answer this, because "ackshully management did a ton of work okay" is cope, you made it up and have no evidence. The people who did a lot of work on the MV are the ones listed in the credits.

2%

>>70231358
She should do it already instead of seeking attention and pity

whats this utterly fucking dumb thread. hololive has been like that since day one. no wonder the west is an utter fucking trash hole today. good luck with your "ideal utopian society".

didn't high tide only cost moona like 5k

>>70231642
i think is both NDF and fagoons

>>70231722
I mean both /hlgg/ and /nijiEN/ have corpos as their oshis, because they're two sides of the same equally retarded coin.

>>70231695
It's amazing that somebody can only process value in the context of the company handing someone wads of cash, and not doing any other important tasks like maintaining contact with people in the project to make sure everything is handled in a timely manner.
Personal assistants don't just appear out of thin air for free normally.

>>70231560
SHE ASKED FOR A LOAN YOU MOUTHBREATHING NIGGERFAGGOT

>>70231727
Its like asking anons to prove jesus is real or else I wont believe it

Jesus! What a retarded fucking logic

>>70231560
>No, they are not.
Wrong corpo sister

>>70231642
>Difference of situation.
What these -39IQ don't get is that if Holo was as black as Niji, we still would be shitting on Niji too. Two wrongs don't make a right.

>>70226737
Okayu could've paid the fun way but noooooo. She had to remain loyal to Korone.

>>70231358
Kiara hated Omega, so now we have Jap.

>>70231752
>hololive has ALWAYS not paid people for six months because they were making the talents pay for everything
Really, deeply grim.

>>70229243
>I understand it perfectly fine
You clearly don't.

>>70231358
She also wanted to graduate her first 6 months, ina nearly graduated in 2022 but they all got talked out of it by their managers. Money is a powerful motivator

>>70226905
Bae's 1M yen was not enough to cover the cost.
Comes up to around $10k per MV minimum.
Adsense gives you somewhere between 2k and 3k in revenue if you cross 1M views.
So you'd need about 5M views on your video to break even. Not everyone can get there.
Marine's MVs that have 30+M views got her huge profits, but they're also extremely well animated i.e. more expensive.

>>70231768
I lurk on /hlgg/ and there not a single talk cover being their oshi
Stop lying anon, why always lie?

>>70231451
Are you trying to flex with unemployment?

>>70231812
Did you learn how to bend on BBC pron?

>>70227093
And they're likely far more fair and understanding than a bank would be if she took out a loan.

Honestly it feels more like you're taking out money from your dad and on the condition you pay him later when you can. I think that's pretty cool of Cover to do.

>>70231733
No way any of Myth would voluntarily graduate. They've got it made no matter how much they complain about management. Even Gura sticks around as a mascot.

>>70231757
depends a lot on the MV.
>>70231342
>>70231172

>>70231752
the recent niji/doki brought a lot of newfags that dont know how things wok.
So we have fagoons saying all corpos bad
sisters saying holofags are hyprocites
And dramafags trying to find new entertainment.

>>70231777
The problem is not the "loan" (i.e., not paying her for six months). It's that she has to pay for things that corpo owns. If the corpo wants to own it, they should pay for it.

>>70231569
>>70231586
>No one from cover was banned from making international tournaments
And there's no proof of that. Just Dooki's word. Which was disproven when she held an international tournament after she claims she was told not to
>No one from Cover had to pay out of pocket for art cover prizes because company refused to
Not Niji's job to pay for prizes for a contest they didn't approve of.
>No one in cover got their dream sponsorship taken away
Again, nobody in Cover violated the rules that would warrant such behavior. Dooki's consequences are a direct response to her shitty actions.

See, Hololive does it too
Nijisanji EN didn't do anything wrong when they told Selen to pay for her projects

>>70231752
They desperately want it to fail, "we can't do what they do something we need to drag them down to our level" mentality.

>>70231654
Even fucking Rushia was given a more graceful exit than Selen.

>Dooki
How's the weather in Manilla?

>>70231851
Are /nijiEN/ shitters ever going to admit that AnyColor is their oshi? No?
Then why would /hlgg/ retards admit that Cover is their oshi?

>>70231690
she would need way more transactions to do the things and japanese bank taxes you for everything
not even talking about the limit some baks have towards how much she can spend in a certain period of time

>>70231812
You’re a brick wall

>>70231920
What kind of question is that?
Do I look like ChatGPT for you?

>>70231654
Niji is shit, not for firing Selen in itself (even though it was their own incompetency that led to the situation in the first place) but in that they try to ruin talents' future chances.
>Hololive termination notice: [Name]'s contract has been terminated because of violations, this was done after communication with both sides and realization things could not continue forward.
>Nijisani termination notice: [Name]'s contract was terminated after multiple violations. [Followed by a detailed list of every offense they could come up with- regardless of if other talents had done the same things] Management tried to speak to them multiple times about these behaviors but they would not listen.

>>70231676
IIRC she was making $120k/month as Coco.

>>70231945
No it's a seething shitter stop replying to that thing

>>70231870
mutt's law

>>70226737
Aren't these zero-interest loans from Cover? And people are comparing it with Nijisanji? Y'all retarded

>>70231860
I wouldn't call going to the shop and the factory once or twice in a while a job.

>>70231569
>*rustles through papers*
What a faggot. And no they don't quit, they just take 6 month breaks because they can't deal with the constant bullshit coming out of Yagoo's ass

>>70228243
> this means cover takes no risks
you cunt, they paid for the fucking MV upfront, you think money grows on fucking trees or something?
look at this fucking lineup >>70230465 if you even have functioning eyes after seeing 1000 hours of niji rigging.

>>70231539
There's no good ass-shots in the MV

>>70231999
Kek

>>70231727
>The people who did a lot of work on the MV are the ones listed in the credits.
Can you give me the name of the person who wrote the credits?

>>70231920
Except there was a lot of complaining about Omega's management.

>>70231886
She wanted to make an MV for her fans
Nobody forced her to do anything

>>70232045
It's fine, I've found something just as good
Something very...cute.

>>70227347
Oh yeah sisters were complaining about this situation being "just like Selen" so I wanted to see her MV on her channel as well, could you give me a link?

>>70231919
Oh so now the goalposts have changed. How's the weather in Israel?

>>70232087
>"Hey ChatGPT, Give me all the names listed on the credit"

>>70232018
Do you just skip out on payroll taxes?

>>70231905
Hololive posted the project and didn't string the talent along after they had already invested in the MV.

>>70231984
Boo hoo cry about it. Moral fags have no place here.

>>70231886
>If the corpo wants to own it, they should pay for it.

They did, they paid the artist to create the vtuber called oyaku and they payed a girl to voice and act as oyaku.

>>70231779
Correct, I want actual evidence for the claims that Cover management did a ton of work on this, beyond just "b-because they did, okay!"

>>70232230
Okay so Im replying to a full retard then
Good to know

>>70229532
I mean, she does own it though?
As long as she's "Nekomata Okayu".
And unlike Nijisanji, she has zero reason to leave.

>>70231727
Kek. What the fuck did Okayu do? Pay people to do the work for her using the fame and assets Holo provided and paid for. Fuck off sister

>>70232151
>Hitomi
literally stealing shit

>Rushia
leaking shit to dramatubers

>Mel
>NDA violations

All three of them did worse than Selen, while still being treated better.

>>70230322
I thought Roboco just bought an empty lot to build her house on, which is also a significant investment, but different from buying an already finished house.
>>70230368
I remember Watame once mentioning she was using all of her SC revenue for the next several months to pay for something, so they do at least get a choice in how they handle repayment. If Okayu decided to forgo absolutely everything for a while because she has enough saved up to do so, that’s entirely on her.

>>70232230
The credits are all A-list. Do you think Okayu reached out to each of them individually?

Doesn't this just tell us that Okayu put a large portion of her earnings on some time deposit to earn extra interest? hence no money

>>70232230
Can you give me the name of the person who wrote the credits? Did the credits appear from the aether, or is the person simply unlisted?

It's kind of sad that the worst thing Nijifags can think to throw at Hololive is that they are as bad as Nijisanji. Particularly when their logic is barely above "they're both companies, so they're equally bad."

>>70230774
> I'm the one who gives jobs anon.
Sylvie?

SO from what i got from this thread
>this is the standard of chubas paying shit for themselves
>not forced to spend on shit if they dont want
>done for the fans
>MV costs from 10k usd minimum to even 2M
>All holo girls know they wont make back this money
>Every event, tournament, song, live cost the girls money but they can recoup it from other sources of income aka merch and streams.
>the company owns the work since is their image (the avatar and name of it) being used

So if a chuba graduates doesnt this mean the company could technically and legally still use the image of the graduated chuba on merch or other places? or is there a legal ground to not being able to use it anymore?Does the original artist have any said on this?

>>70232204
>You can't point to a company's moral failings as to why they're bad
Chinksister...

>>70232287
>What the fuck did Okayu do?
This has to be trolling because nobody could be this retarded. She sung the fucking song

>>70230928
>>70230896
However the biggest draw for a talent to do something like this, even more than increased merch sales, is to remain relevant and attractive enough for advertisers to want to use you in a promotional tie in, lets take this Sushiro promotion as an example.
Working backwards from Sushiro Taiwan's average monthly revenue we can guess their marketing budget.
Assuming Gura did not renegotiate her contract for a larger cut and that Sushiro Taiwan lowballed Hololive paying about 6% of average monthly revenue in licensing fees for this campaign, Gura received a little over 300k USD upfront before any proceeds from all this merch sold. You can see now why it would be tempting for a talent, with Hololive's reach and revenue split, to take a risk on animated videos like this for a chance to pull in this kind of passive income

>>70232204
And that is why NijiEN is going to end up exactly like HoloCN.

Okayu is my oshi. It was her dream to have an MV made. She stuffed the project with talent and so it naturally would cost a pretty penny. Cover isn't perfect, but the loan is pretty fair considering how much money Holos get outside of their salary. Okayu gets plenty of sponsorships and merch sales so she can easily go half a year with the basic talent salary.

>>70232287
>we MADE you
>we OWN you
>we deserve all the rights
>we deserve all the money
Retarded corpo drone logic. Let her recoup a tiny bit of her costs.

It's obvious Bait.
All Sister gets from this is proof of how unprofessional Niji is.
No matter how stupid the Sisters are, they can't be this stupid.
>Many of them are mentally immature K-pop stans
nvm

>>70232531
Anon, she released this MV leading up to her birthday merch drop. She'll make her money back. Don't worry.

>>70232531
I dont remember any Indies that earn more than HoloIDs
Even Bao is melting down over 16K, just to show how Indie Pill is one of the retarded move

>>70229383
I only have that one, and it's a work of art.

>>70230445
Okayu's estimate is with her current salary, i.e. without merch.
With all of that included, for example, it gets lower. Like 2-3 months.

>>70232419
>So if a chuba graduates doesnt this mean the company could technically and legally still use the image of the graduated chuba on merch or other places?
Obviously, Anycolor even does it outright
>is there a legal ground to not being able to use it anymore?
No, though the minimal profit isn't really worth it with the goodwill cost for most
>Does the original artist have any said on this?
Not really unless the commission had some fancy-ass terms

>>70232414
>chumbud won't take the bait
How ironic

>>70232589
Yup, sisters keep demanding answers to their retarded questions because they have no proof to back their claim

>>70232531
>I've never worked a single day in office.

>>70228988
and now we have retarded redditors chiming in as well
fuck off back to your beggar hole faggot

>>70232649
Indies absolutely earn more than corpo Vtubers because they aren't giving half their revenue to the corpo. Bao has nothing to do with anything, of course she's going to be mad that someone scammed $16k from her.
But anyway I don't even have a problem with that. There's tradeoffs between corpo and indie. The specific problem I have is with this "we OWN you" shit where the talents have to pay for their projects but the company retains the ownership and takes a cut of the revenue. If they paid for it, they should own it.

>>70232419
Cover can technically use Coco, Rushia, Aloe, and Sana's likeness whenever they want, they just don't want to out of consideration with the fan sentiments.

>>70232305
2/3 were bad enough that they literally couldn’t make it worse. Besides what could they say? Hitomi was barely a person long enough to know anything. Rushia got the boot, ran through the coals by the community, but she mostly kept to herself outside of a select few. Your logic hinges on these 2 people doing the exact same shit as Selen as opposed to their reason for their firing being the only issues they had.
Mel breaking NDA isn’t even close to the other 3 since anything could be part of it

>>70232360
Yes, but OP is either retarded or trolling, so he’s phrasing it to sound malicious and predatory.

>>70228988
Who is this bastion of good business practices that you're comparing to? Or is it just an ideal?

>>70226737
>ask for an advance on your pay from your company
>OH MY GOD THIS IS TERRIBLE THIS IS TORTURE!!! BLACK COMPANYYY!!! THEY ARE GOING TO MAKE HER PAY IT BACK OMMMGGG!!!!

>>70231127
> nigger have you not seen the way any criticism of cover or hololive is immediately assumed to be from nijisanji fans?
Not "any criticism", only "retarded shitflinging".
You know the first people that criticize Cover when they have actual fuckups?
Holofans themselves.
That's why your retardation always gets easily flouted, nijinigger.

>>70232745
In all my office jobs, never, not even once, have I had to pay out of pocket for something the company owns. I don't have to buy work PCs, printers, or my boss's Mercedes. Never. It's not normal. It only exists in these shitty entertainment industry contracts where they force people to sign away all of their rights.