/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Finana, let's imagine a world where everyone has the purest intentions. Selen has ADD so she keeps fucking up with management protocols, Vox (and other livers) are helpful to an almost overbearing extent, Elira is the nicest big sister in Nijisanji. In this pure world, Selen tried to kill herself. How do we go from this position to a point where it's appropriate to publicly accuse the suicide victim of potential future misdeeds (Elira) and call her a crazy (Vox)?

Now imagine a different world where Doki is a cruel master manipulator playing everyone and threatening to leak dox. But the Message is different. Elira apologizes for not being the senpai she tries to hold herself up to be. Vox explains that he tries to help livers during trying times, but understands now that his good intended messages bombarded Selen during a sensitive time. He apologizes. Ike expresses regret that he wasn't there for her when she needed him. Then a few other livers apologize in their own way. Elira comes on at the end and says she and everyone else are going to step up to make sure nothing like this happens again, and from the whole of Nijisanji wishes Doki the best that she can going forward.

Do you see what the key difference in these videos is? The real Message is selfish and defensive, it's trying to distract and downplay Doki's feelings. The fake one validates the issues at hand and seeks to use the situation to improve in the future. Elira and whoever agreed with the video fucked up. And they fucked up publicly. Doki doesn't need to give Elira the time of day privately, Elira publicly defamed her. The only recovery from this situation is a public apology, because Elira already made it public issue in the first place. Will that convince everyone? No, because what they did was really fucked up. But it would enable Elira to recover from this disastrous situation. In both the best and worst worlds the Message was a terrible mistake that needs remedy.

Elira doesn't need to roll over and die, she needs to grow some ovaries and remedy her mistakes. That's the moral thing to do.

Lick microphone

>>70142618
Why the fuck would you name your company "Vailure"?

>>70142736
Do you not appreciate girlfailures?

>>70142618
brap microphone

Hey, Finana. Karma is a bitch, isn't it? Good luck in your next job.

Finana, did you know that in topological terms the human body is like a torus because there's one massive hole running from the mouth to the anus? This means if you fondle a guy's balls and cup your mouth to his anus to play the butt trumpet, it's not just a metaphor but his body is actually shaped like a trumpet in some way. Next time you attempt to satisfy a man sexually, perhaps the ass trumpet would be a good idea

Fianna literally has no value as a person outside of the fact that she's built for rape

She needs to go back to doing coom ASMR

Hey, Finana!

You fucking ruined Biboo for you, you fucking whore. I can't hear the zoomer rock without associating her with your smelly ass. I hate you, and your terrible contributions to this world. I wish you were dead.

Love,
4chan

>>70144367
for me*

>>70142517
Dear Finana

you're a retard lol

yours truly,
/vt/

>>70142517
Dear Finana,

Stop putting yourself before your viewers so fucking much. Contrary to what your groomers will have you believe, you are a public entertainer, not a Discord VC streamer. If you can't be entertaining enough or bothered to meaningfully interact with your chat, then you have to make compromises. Get your head out of your ass and show some care for your parasocial fucks.

I've never seen any evidence that she's /here/ (unlike many other livers who really are terminally /here/)

I would think that if she was here she'd either get a reality check and stop being such an absolutely horrible piece of shit excuse for a human being, or, (more likely) seethe more obviously about /vt/ like Millie and the males do.

>>70142517
GET GASLIGHTED GET GASLIGHTED GET GASLIGHTED GET GASLIGHTED GET GASLIGHTED GET GASLIGHTED GET GASLIGHTED GET GASLIGHTED

>>70142517
Dear Finana,

You are so stupid it hurts.
Hope you don't have a nice day.
Cheers!

These things are much more fun when it's one word per post and the whole thing gets sent.

>>70146652
There was a big freudian slip possibly in another thread where the poster said "I" when referring to Finanas streams. It's probably a nothing burger but it's fuckin' Finana so the possibility is there.

>>70142517
Please do another blowjob asmr and i will subscribe and join your membership + drop some red superchat every blowjob asmr, double red if you do schlicking asmr.

>>70147441
Was she actually good at it or something? The thirsting here is pretty impressive.

>>70147884
Not really, but she was eagerly trying, so it doubled back into being kinda hot

>>70142517
Do you take it in mouth right after anal?

For reference
2 examples from February 24th:
>>69907378
>>69908953
2 examples from yesterday:
>>70098443
>>70099650

>70148958 (me)
Forgot to say that in the 26th she changed ''you fucks'' to ''you fags''.

>>70000000

>>70142517
Finana, please let me peg ur asshole and blow loads into ur mouth.

Ur a 3 view vtuber now so I know u need the cash. Don't worry I'm minted, so I can pay 4 more Genshin rolls.
Luv, Jake

>>70142517
I would say something but I wouldn't wanna gaslight her.

You guys don't REALLY think that was her, right?

PARASOCIAL FUCKS

Dear Finana

Anycolor can't stop independent vtubers from streaming horny content on CB or Fansly. Also you can monetize your Lovense toys without giving Riku a cut.

Love,
The Internet™

>>70149930
If this month teached anything, it's thst rrats are real until proven otherwise.
>>70149978
Parasocial fags* Check her newer posts.

>>70148958
Ngl this is one of ghose situation that may be a big ass rrat and nothing else but it would be amazing if true.

>>70142517
brap into the mic before graduating

dear finana
total nijinigger death
cheers

>>70144367
Hello mister 4chan, suck my balls. There is plenty to hate about Finana right now, but Biboo became that anointing zoomer alpha brainlet on her own. The way she leaned into the fanum tax song and put on the pacifier was soo fucking offputting, I can't but physically cringe whenever I see her.

Also Finana, since you are /here/, get your shit together. I miss my comfy imouto chuuba. Watching you regress over time has been painful.

>>70151023
>zoomer

The clique is going to be the death of you, it's already killed your creativity like Rosemi. Jhst because you settled into a toxic environment doesn't mean you should be a poisonous toad. Jhst be like a water Lily or swim away.

Maybe she doesn't come to this site to look for advice, she knows most of you are not even nijisanji viewers and just echoing the opinions of dramatubers.
All she wants is to make people realize that no matter what Elira does she is never going to satisfy you fucks, and to just give her a break.

>>70151122
Syntax is hard okeeee

>>70151394
Another self-report?

>>70151394
sex will satisfy me

>>70151394
Is this how women masturbate?

>>70148958
You forgot the one where she immediately corrects to not be Finana despite there was no need to answer the bait.

Anyway if this rrat is true:
>Finana doesn’t feel the need to change genre despite 3digits.
>Lurker said she was looking to do so, but if she lurks here she may have backed away at that.
>Zaion pointed the finger at Finana, and Finana clapped back calling her toxic.
>This matches Finana shitalking her later like a bitch.
>She is gaslighted that she is helping the branch and we remember only the bad.
>She feels like shit for #. Boo hoo.
>She feels we are misinterpreting Elira’s action (of not posting for 2 weeks?) and that they are desperately trying to talk to Doki to settle.
>Doki is, allegedly, not answering back except she did, she literally said she wants to move over.
>She is gaslighted that we are to blame for Sayu burning bridges.
>I don’t remember the hacker called 4chan streaming a shitalk against her, recepits please.
>She is angry we are not givjgn a chance to Elira.
>Hard to give a chance if she doesn’t acknowledge the big 1M view video on her own channel first.

Bonus point, Elira gave another sign of life, specifically to “like Finana”. Kinda weird that’s the only like she put unless…
Wait a second. Second rrat coming:

>Finana is Elira’s pokemon Skinwalker.
>Elira can’t use Twitter for some reason and asked Finana to toss thr baitpost.

Dear Finana,
You don't have to think about it. Issues of morality and stuff is not for you. Your dumb self is build solely to satisfy men sexual urges and be breathing public onahole equivalent for your groomers.

Yours anon.

>>70151929
>She is gaslighted that we are to blame for Sayu burning bridges.
She also seemed to have been conflating the sisters with Sayu's fans at some point in yesterday's thread, saying that her fans were the ones responsible for the second cancellation attempt against her.

>>70152142
To be honest if real she shat on the sis too. That’s something you don’t see sis do, it breaks their cult larping.

Anyway get recepits and add to the rrat.

>>70152235
>Yeah you fags literally told her that she had no chance to redeem herself a few weeks ago and that her feeling sad was "tone-deaf."
Here: >>70100144

>>70151394
If you are actually Finana and not just some random LARPer, please just get off this website. It's clearly not doing you any good, and you won't get anyone to change their opinions

>>70151394
>All she wants is
rape, if she were honest. it's all whores like her really need

>>70151394
Hi Finana, how's Japan so far?

>>70151394
maybe finana is scrolling 4chan so much that it turned into autism. go stream genshin finana your interesting level is at a level where I can watch paint dry on the wall than your streams.

>>70142517
Finana,

I sincerely hope that you became successful in doing what Dokibird failed to do.
I hope you post it live and I hope that it's long and dragged out.
I hoped that whatever dokibird suffered you suffer tenfold.
No matter what you do nor what you tell yourself you will never be the nicer person you envisioned.
You are a parasite and the only meaningful content you'll create will about the day you finally breathed your last.
Rot in hell you piece of shit.

>>70151394
If actually Finana:
Did you actually skinpost as Elira? That Fish like is too weird. Unless she’s here too, in that case this is not a drama board, but if you want to end rrats, just give receipts just like anyone else. You can’t blame us for the self-report video, what are we suppose to do, suck it up?

At this point, given how recognizable her posts are, one has to ask: what is stopping her from dropping the third person pronouns?

>>70151394
Don't be dumb, the dramatubers echo our opinions. It's not like they come up with this shit themselves.

>>70153410
>Just drop the pronouns.
Even better, just give us the truth. You want us to believe you are all sorry up there but radio silence is not helping. You are suppose to go full silence, not drop a fucking video in which you point finger and then fake it doesn’t exist.
I believe your PR is full of shiteaters but that video is just cancer, you need to adress it. Doki wants to move over, unless you spew BS she’s not gonna fire back. Or is there NDAs with Riku?

>>70153511
Also true, those guys are 1000% lurkers, hell they nitpick more than us, but Niji has fed them as much as we did.

>>70153295
I'm neither Finana nor Elira retard, she is enjoying streaming games she is actually invested on. She would still be doing ASMRs as well, she does not mind being a bit "lewd" in healthy amounts, but it was because of all of the creeps both in the vod comments and on twitter that she wished to slowly move her community away from that. She even decided to give it one last chance looking at the reactions from the April fools fake ASMR, but the reactions were as bad as she feared.

>>70153387
No matter how many receipts or proofs you are given, everyone marks it off as just "damage control" and won't actually listen. You were shown direct screenshots of DMs between Selen and managers but still chose to believe Doki. I'm sure they are preparing to make a better statement soon as the whole of NijiEN, it will just take a bit of time.

>>70153684
>>70142618
auditions are soon. You can make it.

>>70153375
>>>/pol/

>>70142517
Finana you are an ugly chubby Hmong whore and when you hit the wall in a few years no one will want you.

>>70153684
Believe Doki about what? I don't think anyone's ever doubted that she went against company policy. She hasn't made any claims about it. Are you idiots really still stuck on that? If that's where ya'll are at then there's no way any statement being made wouldn't be a hilarious failure.

>>70153684
Well if you give us nothing you can only expect us to beieve nothing. It’s only fair.
Also:
>I’m not Finana or Elira.
My anon in christ, you can’t say that and then spew a bunch of things that sound like personal opinion and personal choices. At this point you are either larping or self-reporting.

>>70153684
>creeps, creep, creepy
Almost nobody uses these words frequently on the board, except for: >>69905196
Finana...

>>70153684
>I'm neither Finana nor Elira retard
Enna?

>>70153982
It's Finana denying being her, in an attempt to larp as a common anon.

>>70151929
>Elira gets terminated
>Yeah that Elira, she gaslighted me
>become a 4view, 5view even
It's all part of her feeshkaku

>>70153921
The idea makes me laugh and she's dumb enough to keep doing it. So even if it is a larp I'll go along with it.

>>70151394
High grade larp. I rate it 8/10.

>>70153916
This. Nobody is saying that Doki didn’t still post the video out of order, but we know as a fact that video didn’t magically drop on the 25th. People came out to say she got all the papers and was expecting the yes all along.
It all sounds as she was driven to exasperation so management had ammo to suspend her. Artists came out saying she never had any help no matter what she was trying to do, and they had to work with the same incompetence Niji’s termination AND apology claimed existed.
You guys kept casting stones and threy bounced back. Stop casting stones, sounds very simple to me.

Finana I think you're cute!!

>>70154221
Anon... I don't think that's a larper.
Look at this post: >>70153754
>She even decided to give it one last chance looking at the reactions from the April fools fake ASMR, but the reactions were as bad as she feared.
That sounds too personal and specific to be a larp.

>>70146652
She has namedropped 4chan twice that I can think of off the top of my head and once of them was talking about going to /#/ (this was like 2 and a half years ago around when she opened memberships though)

>>70154112
Honestly this entire situation has reached level of ridicolous that you kinda start to hope isreal so we can get somewhere. I’m tired to deal with lunatic nijisis everyday and so Niji probsbly since thry keep the youtubers fed and the fire going on. This beats any other shitpost spam going on.

>>70154344
Okay, I'll believe you, that's Finana. Hi Finana!

>>70148958
Even though there's a good chance that this is just bait or an anon LARPing as Finana for (You)s, it really says a lot about how bad NijiEN is currently perceived, to where the idea of talents defending themselves here seems just as plausible.
I mean we already had the Secret GC stream, and I think Finana vaguely alluded to /vt/ when some Ryugard posted or linked her to Warosu on stream and she said
>Is this something like 4chan?

Granted that happened extremely long ago. I dont even remember the quote exactly, and I want to say Finana just said that when it was still just Lazulight.

>>70154344
It's also a baffling position to take. "I intentionally baited and spat on a subset of my fans to see how they'd react. They reacted poorly to being spat on, so I don't want to appeal to them." What reasonable person would think like this to even include it in a larp?

>>70153921
>>70153982
It's clearly her just trying to deflect, while also failing catastrophically by speaking with personal POVs.
>>70154045
Yeah, its either a really high quality LARPer or the real deal. Either way, it's interesting so I'll believe them

>>70154388
While there's no concrete evidence of her posting here, anons have been quoting posts from older threads where someone was giving very specific details about Finana, trying to defend her image, to the point that it's rumored to be Finana herself doing them.

>>70153684
>No matter how many receipts or proofs you are given, everyone marks it off as just "damage control" and won't actually listen.
The proof people want isn't about "did Selen go behind management", nobody cares about that, it's "was Selen bullied". Everything released points towards yes because the only other way for things to unfold as they did and for management to be THAT slow about perms is if the company is so actually incompetent that it's a cause for anguish in itself. Not to mention Niji literally confessed that people were bullying her, they just didn't think it constituted bullying (aka they didn't care)

>>70153684
>I'm sure they are preparing to make a better statement soon
And if that statement is able to prove that Elira wasn't involved in bullying Doki to suicide, then people will accept she's innocent and leave her alone. Until her innocence is proven, though, it's only natural that people will suspect her. As long as they keep suspecting her, it's only natural that people will talk shit because they think she's a horrible person who deserves it.

Unless (You) have some way of conclusively proving Elira's innocence, nothing you say is going to change the minds of the people /here/. Arguing further is a waste of time, so you may as well fuck off and go do something productive instead.
That goes double if you actually are Finana. As far as anyone knows you have nothing to do with this drama, so you have nothing to gain by sticking your neck out. Stop worrying about the reputations of other people and go work on improving your own.

>>70154045
>>70154568
>Finana larping as anon larping as Finana

>>70154344
Think you meant >>70153684 ? Yeah it could either just be a really bored LARPer or actually Finana. Although who's to say which is more likely, honestly

>>70154665
>was Selen bullied
Remember that the leaker (if legit) confirmed that Vox told Selen to kill herself: >>/vt/thread/69036707#p69039207

>>70142517
I will keep it brief:
Finana, git gud plz

>>70153916
>>70142559
It's hilarious how much they still seem to be stuck on that, as if we didn't know it could be possible Selen was wrong or overreacting.
I'm not certain if there was bullying before the termination.
But I know for a fact there was bullying and harassment during and after.

>>70154777
Yes, I meant that one, should have double-checked.

I wonder if Finana appreciates that this is the most activity about her that's occurred in probably a year or two.

>>70142517
Dear,
Finana

Please finish reading this whole letter before reacting.
Please Graduate for your own good please.
I need your coomer content. I will pay you large sums of money for your coomer content. Please open a Fantia or similar page I need your tongue raping my ears so badly.
Please I need to see your tiny body prance around in a 3d model like Melody as I throw money to make you orgasm repeatedly.
You literally almost made me experience a hands free orgasm do you know how hard that is to accomplish.
I want to hear you do gangbang ASMR role play as you imagine all your fans having their way with you.

I hope you consider this I believe you are extremely talented and your talents are wasted in Nijisanji.

Sincerely,
Anon.

>>70154665
Reminder Riku does state their management have been shit and they would fix it in his apology. Everything else he “alluded” and “percieved” but he was pretty clear about that.
Quite honestly you have your scapegoat.
>Oh but Elira IS management.
Quick lesson in PR, that can be dodged saying thet Elira was never management of Selen, only of herself and her friends. Unless it can be directly proven she fucked up in person, you can always say things as true and still dodge the bullet.
>But the company will look like shit.
You are still in time to decide where the bottom is. Any future scandal, and the floor will open under your feet. You play Yugioh, sometimes it’s better to just resign and go to game 2 rather than continue and just reveal more of your deck to your opponent.
>You will never forgive the bullies.
I fucking lost count of the menhera this board still gets hard at. People here dislike liars more than anything.

>>70153684
Honestly ignore the ASMR and Sex comments, they're just trying to get a rise out of you. However, how can you be this spiteful? Your contempt for everything and everyone is pitiful. You hate your fans, you hate entertaining, you hate asmr, you hate interacting with these vermin that watches you. Maybe streaming just isn't for you? Of course, every streamer has the rights to prune their chat like a bonzai tree but at this point, maybe you should just burn everything down and start over?

And stop defending Elira and yourself, sheeesh. Every defense that came out of your mouth just comes of as insensitive, selfish, and pathological. You don't understand why people are mad and you lash out at these "haters" for having valid anger over a bullying case that led to an attempted SUICIDE. I've been watching vtubers since Kizuna AI and first gen Niji JP, back before clippers where I had to go "this anime girl talk nice, idk what she's saying though". The anger I feel isn't just because I like Doki, but because my community and hobby has been desecrated on a massive and systemic scale.

Captcha: HYRYYS (lol)

>>70153684
You just don't get it. Everyone who has left had problems with NijiEN management. You were doing an awful job self managing yourselves. The last straw was Pomu. Once Pomu left any good will and credibility you thought NijiEN had actually disappeared. It dried up. Vanished. People were permenantly skeptical and reconsidered the treatment of Selen. You all royally fucked up with how you dealt with the situation. There were constant negative opinions of NijiEN for not working with Selen to make projects a success when it cam to light Pomu's potential venture was pulled under the rug. You got the black company label by rrats and your ego thought you were above their opinions. There was a real effort done by haters to pull your company apart by attacking the mentality of idiots who still chose to lurk here.
Look back at what was done, don't you feel like you over reacted? Isn't that guilt because an incident did occur. Do you deserve it? You made the choice to get rid of your talent, live with the repercussions. You also made the worst antis you could imagine. People who are doing the right thing calling out bullying. You cant hide so change.

>>70155013
Riku's statement was fine if bland and corporate. It would have done quite a bit to pull Niji out of the nosedive if it hadn't been posted just after the Message. "We're working on our bullying problems!" sounds really fake immediately after your talent coming together as a family to call their former 'family' a piece of shit.

>>70154535
Not only that, but that poster's logic doesn't even make sense. She wanted to be lewd, but lewd in "healthy amounts"? And that's despite appearing with Projekt Melody and knowing the kind of coomer fanbase she has, where she flat out said that it was extremely difficult to attract sponsors due to her image. And thats not even getting into the fact that Finana talked about her "Egg" really early on in her vtubing career, or the fact that she used her younger sisters' recorder to masturbate with. It's like Yuko Yurei where they went far and above the regular kind of ecchi fanservice you'd get from most animes/vidya.

Also unrelated but I completely missed the part where that one anon insinuated that NijiEN was preparing ANOTHER statement but as a group. If the branch wants to have any hope of survival, they need to drop that idea and move on. They need to treat Riku's statement as the definitive be-all-end-all, try and see if they can pick up any pieces and move on. Every single thing they do related to slander Selen from now on will be responded with metaphorical pitchforks being thrown at them.

>>70142517
Finana is one of the dumbest cunts around, I have no idea why some anons here have some retarded idea of "saving" her.

>>70153916
>She hasn't made any claims about it
She didn't, but she also hasn't owned up to it to any degree. You seriously want Elira to "own up to her mistakes" and shit, while turning a blind eye to Doki's mistakes? Don't any of you see the disparity?
I did not see any dramatubers make a video calling Doki out on this either.

>>70153921
The black screen stream was a rushed first attempt to calm down the storm, it clearly didn't have the desired effect. Now they are actually taking their time, gathering up as much evidence and arguments as they can before making the ideally final statement, then go back to streaming as normal. This will take time.

>>70154535
> baited and spat on my fans
Everyone who reacted to the April fools ASMR as "baiting and spitting" on fans can fuck off. That's a mentally insane way to react to an april fools prank

>>70154719
I'm not claiming everyone are absolute angels, but even if there were mistakes made by others, what was all that talk about "owning up to her mistakes and apologizing" then? Clearly you all just want things to burn down and there's nothing that will change that.

>>70142517
I'll just reiterate to read through the threads linked here >>70148958 with a discerning eye whether that was her or not because again this site will have a lot of people shitposting and running with the most extreme points for tribal agendas on every side but there's still plenty of people who are willing to use it to convey genuine advice in between that. Don't get too focused on basic level shittalk, focus on your content, make people feel welcome and look forward to what *you* will stream. I'm not sure what more else needs to be said.

>>70147244
you forgot to put
RRAT RRAT RRAT RRAT
in front of your stream of consciousness.

>>70155176
Honestly? Riku’s message alone was fine. The guy is still a piece of shit for not paying talents and holding buttons, but I do believe that could have ended it.
The black video is the real cancer for Niji. The thing that truly turned this common-messed-up NijiL into a massive 15-minute-train NijiL that fueled the entire fucking fire.
That’s why I keep pointing my finger at that. That’s the true heart of this entire shitshow.

>>70155277
It's a /here/ meme shitting on her cucked fanbase, everyone knows she can't be saved. It's just funny seeing the larp. Yes, they are going full retard.

>>70155279
At least you dropped the third person pronouns when referring to yourself.

>>70155279
Doki's mistakes?
You mean while she was having a suicidal meltdown?
I can forgive that. It's easy.

>>70155279
>I did not see any dramatubers make a video calling Doki out on this either.
There was a rentry and it got rightfully refuted. Do you have anything else to add? Maybe Doki hurt you personally?

>>70154512
That's the primary weakness they had exposed. They are too use to the NDF dominating this board along with Holo. Had gotten comfortable with a crowd sucking them off. They had no idea how to react with the increased hate that came their way and the rrats were broad eventually hitting their nerves.

>>70155279
>baited and spat on my fans
Guys, this is Finana

>>70155277
Because aren't stupid women so hot? Activates my "I can fix her" sensibilities

>>70155277
>>70155494
Another portion of the meme is to have the thread derail into one or two seperate topics that have nothing to do with Finana.

>>70155279
>You seriously want Elira to "own up to her mistakes" and shit, while turning a blind eye to Doki's mistakes? Don't any of you see the disparity?
She was fired, I don't need to give a shit about whether she regrets it or not. I don't give a shit about corporate policies. Elira went out of her way to try to publicly drag someone that allegedly attempted to commit suicide due to internal bullying. Whataboutism doesn't work when the two things you're trying to compare are magnitudes different.

Before the Message all the livers had plenty of plausible deniability and everyone was focused on management. You all had the expected retards being retards, but you had public opinion on your side. Elira created her own problem with her Message.

>>70155279
>I did not see any dramatubers make a video calling Doki out on this either.
She almost died, became unemployed, got shat on by former coworkers and dragged through the mud, finished 2023 in the red, her achievements and hard work over the past 2-3 years as good as scrubbed, became a figure of drama and possibly persona non grata if NijiEN didn't fuck up so massively and you want people to shit on her?
Jesus Christ. Does empathy mean nothing to you? Is that the disconnect I'm having?

>>70155279
>gathering up as much evidence and arguments as they can
About what? About how Selen deserved to be bullied into suicide?

>>70155751
>plausible deniability
Vox doesn't have any deniability left.
>>70154870

>>70155074
holy shit. it's IRyS. It was her all along. how could we be so blind!

>>70155648
Oh shit

>>70155873
>expecting empathy from strangers and addicts
Are you okay anon?

>>70155194
They could save it with a decent PR person. Apologize for the message stream, acknowledge the central problem with the video, and then apologize in line with >>70142559 . It wouldn't be as good as doing that first, but it'd stem the bleeding that they're currently experiencing by quite a bit. It'd definitely do a good bit to save Vox, he's getting absolutely dragged right now.

>>70155997
This is more of a call out than an expectation.
If any of these people had any sort of empathy, we'd definitely not be here.

>>70155366
I still wonder who exactly gave NijiEN the greenlight for the black screen video. Riku's video may have ultimately been PR fluff, but it felt filmed in advance and like each message was carefully put together by a team of professionals who know how to handle disasters in terms of miscommunication. And in contrast the black screen video felt like they caught a bunch of middle schoolers actually bullying one of their classmates and the only response that could be drawn was
>B-but she started it!
>But we had a reason for it, honest! She betrayed us!
>B-but we weren't really bullying her that hard!

>>70155279
>She didn't, but she also hasn't owned up to it to any degree. You seriously want Elira to "own up to her mistakes" and shit, while turning a blind eye to Doki's mistakes?
What mistakes? She got fired, it's over. Meanwhile Elira has the black screen video still up and hasn't said a peep or faced any public repercussion about that being an awful idea.

>>70155998
Apologizing would be a disaster. You never apologize to the mob, doubly so if if you believe yourself to be in the right.

>>70155279
>Insulted by April fool's can fuck off
Pretty sure that's half of the remaining ryuguards, you really sure you want to cut that before diversifying your content?

Captcha: Http (lmao)

>>70156172
You don't apologize for the mob. You apologize for the fans you hurt. I know many who are willing to listen and would be comforted by it.

>>70156227
Notice how she said ''MY fans''.
>baited and spat on my fans

>>70155279
>Clearly you all just want things to burn down and there's nothing that will change that.
I mean, yes, but that doesn't mean you all have to go marching into the wooden building with torches held high. The PR disaster isn't beyond saving, ya'll have the capability if you exit your Discord echo chamber and hear what people are saying.

>>70156172
You don't apologize if you're getting mobbed by people that aren't your fans. In this case their fans are mad at them. Ignoring your fans and doubling down is how Finana went from a 4view to a 3view.

>>70142517
Finana don't listen to these people, you might suck at vtubing but you don't look half bad. You will be a very successful prostitute once you are kicked from Nijisanji.

>>70155279
>gathering up as much evidence and arguments as they can before making the ideally final statement
There is no combination of words or reasons that can justify or make right bullying one of your biggest and most passionate talents int a suicide attempt. Nijisanji did something horrible, and nothing can change that

>>70156172
Are you JP?
Apologize for shit, who cares? If you already have billions you can lose face a bit. Saves you trouble long-term

>>70155648
>>70155968
>>70156360
kek

>>70154962
Reading this... Maybe I have been too harsh on Finana. Imagine perusing a career as an entertainer and being constantly ask to do softcore pornography. No wonder she doesn't have the best relations with her fans if this is what she thinks her average fan is

Honestly, I was there on Finana's first sighting on 4chan. Wished her the best, but at this point. I REALLY WANNA SEE THEIR NEW SLANDER VIDEO. I'm hyped! I mean how mich worse can it possibly get? I bet it's gonna be like watching the shinkansen derail and fucking explode in the middle of busy metropolitan Tokyo.

>>70156421
>actually Selen deserved it
If it's happening that's the angle they have to be going with
As a drama goblin, I'm waiting for the feast eagerly

>>70156537
It's going to be fucking glorious. They're going to focus on all the wrong shit and triple down so hard that they'll never recover.

>>70155279
Look, I really hope you ARE Finana when I say this, because fuck me in the ass if I’m ending up bejng prophetic.
If you want to release black video 2, let it not be more casting stones. They WILL bounce back. Even if they hit, they will bounce back.
Ignore whatever feeling you getting here, and make sure that video addresses whatever went wrong in Niji, how it’s gonna get fixed, quote Doki that both sides want this shit to end, and move on.
Everyone you say wants you to “burn” is expecting a counterattack. Your only right move is to not go to war, but sue for peace.

Because frankly “the video didn’t had the desired effect” is the understatement of the millenium. Everyone in chat expected you to end it there, not to try to counter the allegation.

>>70156360
God I really hope the Japan trip was a lie to go to LA with valoguards, because staying up until around 5 am on an expensive trip, just to self report so hard; is really fucking sad

Dear Finana,

BLUB BLUB BLUB BLUB BLUB GURGLE GURGLE

>>70156425
>Saves you trouble long-term
This is how poorfags think. If your rich then you take everything you can from everyone you can but just do it privately and never being any attention to it publicly, like by apologizing or letting others talk shit with no consequences.

>>70156527
It is indeed unfortunate to be an entertainer and yet not be entertaining.

>>70156527
I mean she did want to do softcore. Unfortunately, we don't live in a world where that would not attract a massive swarm of absolutely unhinged coomers and degenerates that ruined things for everyone.

>>70156685
Let's be real, no one would trust Finana to have any influence in any such video. She can't 'make sure' of anything.

>>70155279
>gathering up as much evidence and arguments as they can before making the ideally final statement
>then go back to streaming as normal
Oh boy wonder how many subs will be lost now.

>>70156639
I wouldn't wish what will happen to them on my worst enemy.

>>70156924
I mean sure if you plan to fold multiples businesses after making bank and not live in one place forever.
Word of mouth will catch up to you eventually if you stick around though. Riku might not be sticking to Niji long-term

>>70148958
Ah yes the classic oopsie daisy refering to yourself in first person. Nobody is that stupid, not even Vagina.

>>70156172
I've sort of changed positions on this whole "NEVER APOLOGIZE TO THE MOB, THEY'LL NEVER BE HAPPY WITH WHAT YOU SAY TO THEM" mentality. It is true how there are some people that will never accept your apology no matter what you say... but this entire month really is one of those situations where a well meaning apology would have made their lives so much easier. Something in the vein of
>Selen, we're really sorry for what we did. We had no idea that we put you through this much. Even though we don't expect you to accept our apology, we hope we can do one thing to make it back up to you.
Something like that just sent to her in private, never addressing the legal situation and never airing out their own dirty laundry for everyone to see, it would've have gone through so much better. Pomu and Selen would have still taken their fans with them but at the very least it would have never gotten this bad either. You honest to god can't not look at NijiEN without thinking "What in the goddamn fuck is wrong with you"

I wonder if this would be enough for Finana to bleed subs below 500k

>>70157316
I doubt anyone outside the board is aware of her posts.

>>70142517
ok
Dear Finana,
you are a stupid bitch.
Fuck you.
-Anonymoose

>>70155279
>The black screen stream was a rushed first attempt to calm down the storm, it clearly didn't have the desired effect. Now they are actually taking their time, gathering up as much evidence and arguments as they can before making the ideally final statement, then go back to streaming as normal. This will take time.
Jesus fucking christ, clearly nobody involved with scripting that stream has a fucking brain then. And even worse, if you're right, then they're somehow still convinced that the issue was that they didn't spill enough beans.
Look, if Selen really is the antichrist, publishing yet another smear piece is the dumbest possible way to get back at her. Uki being racist on main with that kind of timing really, really didn't help with Kurosanji's image; yeah, he's been racist for years, but until now nobody cared about him in general so he got away with it. Fuck, at least Fulgur could read the room well enough to post liver shit on his RM - because everyone's otherwise convinced that the NijiEN socials are constantly getting skinwalked.

Lawyer up, or shut the fuck up. Anyone suggesting otherwise in those back rooms is a deranged retard.

>>70155913
>>70156421
>>70156685
>>70157196
>>70157527
Not that the first stream was a "smear piece" to begin with, but the final statement will be much different in tone. Everyone is aware that continuing to accuse Doki, or even trying to factually disprove some of her incorrect claims through "receipts", will not work.
The final statement will just be a closing statement, as simple as that, trying to both 1. give some context to a lot of the things that have happened, 2. a partial admission of guilt from both sides, how everyone (Doki and Niji) could have acted different, and 3. again, a final plea to everyone to move on, since this is what both Doki and Niji wants. Neither side benefits from prolonging this anymore. This is the final thing I will say about this, since it just seems like I keep repeating myself again and again to blind ears.

And to everyone claiming I "slipped" by using first person pronouns in "my fans", I was simply just quoting the poster I was replying to. Nothing more.

>>70157600
I could actually see them do this. Too bad their reputation is in the gutter already.

>>70157600
She actually realized she fucked up for a SECOND time and decided to dip on the spot, LMFAO

>>70157371
Could leak this but 4chan is strike on sight her community and Ryuguards are trained to take anything from there as BS

Finana if you are here, just stop being here for your own sake.
Hell if any Vtuber is here they should leave. Being in a negative environment is like being around a smoker, it will hurt you more than it hurts them.
Just become a better person, understand that not everyone will agree with you and that everyone has different perspectives that makes them have different values and priorities.
If your priority is trying to convince inconvincible people, then your priority should be trying to convince yourself that caring too much about other people is not worth it.
Other people will never be in your shoes, so rather than focus on the negative aspects, focus on what you should improve, accept your weakness because they are part of you whether you like it or not.
But i guess old habits die hard, even i knowing this am still here.

>>70157600
Come on Finana, no need to be upset, we are all having some good fun here. Hope you get well and manage to diversify your stream!

>>70157600
Still want Selen being purposely denied merch. And wasn't Elira always avoiding her for no good reason? How can the events leading to this disaster be justified?

>>70157600
Elira's guilt is greater.

>>70157600
Please don't waste your Japan trip on this.
I hope you have a great day there, Ryuguards hope to see you soon

>>70155279
>making the ideally final statement
Finanon… Why can’t you just lay low and stay quiet? Instead of fueling the flame why not try proving that there are changes for the better or some shit, why dwell on it? What if you won? The fan base would be full of drama-hungry crowds instead of healthy and happy fans. Just stop.

>>70157841
holy shit

>>70157600
what are "blind ears"

>>70157600
>3. again, a final plea to everyone to move on, since this is what both Doki and Niji wants.
You. Retard. Jesus. Fucking. Christ.
Y'know how you convince everyone to move on? SHUTTING THE FUCK UP. Everyone's trying to move on, Nijifans are trying to rationalize that Elira totally had a management gun to her head, and tourists have already wandered off to the next drama. Unless you've somehow got God with a capital G dictating the exact perfect words to magically convince everyone, making any statement at all is guaranteed to make NijiEN worse. Nevermind that the people involved were already retarded enough to make the previous statement, so nobody with a functioning brain has any faith those same people won't find another creative way to fuck themselves over.

>>70157600
Again what incorrect claims lol? Management privated the video? They did. She was bullied? By the termination notice and the black screen video, evidently she was. She attempted suicide? That's also true. Where exactly in this chain of events is the place where you can say Doki fabricated a claim, outside of, "we didn't bully her that hard... she just attempted because, uh, ahhh..." in which case she still didn't lie because SHE'S NOT THE ONE WHO BROUGHT IT UP. LOL

>>70157600
>a partial admission of guilt from both sides
...so is Doki going to be in this one too? Cause you really REALLY shouldn't be admitting guilt (even partially) on behalf of someone who isn't there.

>>70157307
Did Covid and BLM not teach you anything? This is a repeated pattern established enturies ago, when the peasants form a mob they will rape and pillage until met with deadly force or run out of stamina from lack of sleep or food. Apologies mean nothing to them except to feed their ego in some power struggle they imagine in their head. You never apologize to a mob, ever.

haha, nice thread Nijisisters. anyways I gotta go, my favourite Holo just went live

>>70157600
If that's true, and is done from both sides, took fucking long enough
Whole ass month up in flames over this. Focus on the mission statement and what vtubers are supposed to be for next time, idiots

>>70157917
The fact that this is taking a month for what should have taken like a week at the most is hilarious to me.

>>70158002
If you read her messages in yesterday's thread, they're trying to contact Doki to no avail. So it's doubtful she will agree to participate.

>>70158002
>a partial admission of guilt from both sides
>Look, we could have been more sympathetic and nice in our messaging, but Selen was kinda a bitch so here we are.

>>70158002
OH SHIT

Finana
Make sure you read this

fuck you finana

>>70158015
An apology to a mob is a sign of weakness. They will use that as extra fuel to fuck you up harder

>>70157600
I would advise against going the "both sides did bad" route. One side is guilty of circumventing stupid rules that were probably only put their to fuck her over. The other side harassed her to death (almost). Not really the same thing.

I would however, advise going for another (yes another) smear piece. Not because it would work, but because it would be funny.

>>70155918
>>70154870
Welp.

>>70157600
damn you guys are fucking retards, fuck off already

just do asmr again if you want to stop being a 3view
even in the best case niji will shut down one day eventually because you're hoping youtube and google won't nuke their platform and you'll need to whore yourself out to make rent
might as well start getting job experience now

>>70155279
>The black screen stream was a rushed first attempt to calm down the storm, it clearly didn't have the desired effect. Now they are actually taking their time, gathering up as much evidence and arguments as they can before making the ideally final statement, then go back to streaming as normal. This will take time.
>actually doing ANOTHER video
God, let this be real, it would be so fucking funny.

>>70158105
>Doki, save us, apologize for us harassing you
>If not, you're a bitch
I can see it already

unless you have receipts of Selen straight up telling people to commit suicide, it will continue to be a bad look to even just bring her up again.

>>70158149
Not only weakness but they see it as an admission of guilt.

>>70157600
>>70155279
Jesus Christ, this might really be Finana.
>Now they are actually taking their time, gathering up as much evidence and arguments as they can before making the ideally final statement, then go back to streaming as normal. This will take time.
>The final statement will just be a closing statement, as simple as that, trying to both 1. give some context to a lot of the things that have happened, 2. a partial admission of guilt from both sides, how everyone (Doki and Niji) could have acted different, and 3. again, a final plea to everyone to move on, since this is what both Doki and Niji wants. Neither side benefits from prolonging this anymore. This is the final thing I will say about this, since it just seems like I keep repeating myself again and again to blind ears.
This is fucking stupid and whatever PR person you hired is retarded for telling you to do this. Unless you came up with it yourselves, in which case you need to just need to fucking move on and not make anymore statements, because they're not helping you

>>70158341
That sounds like their previous tactic
-saying she is not marketable
-saying she has not contributed anything

>>70157600
>Not that the first stream was a "smear piece" to begin with
It totally was. They not only went out of their way to release their stream at the same time as Selen's first gaming stream, some of them took shit out of context like Elira. She took a lawyer asking for her legal information as "FEELING LIKE MY LIFE WAS IN DANGER", or Vox Akuma taking a snipet of her recording as "SHE WAS RECORDING ALL MY CONVERSATIONS" or how Ike said "I FELT LIKE MY FRIEND BETRAYED ME", all of that was said for the sole purpose of making Selen look bad.

Even with all the PR training in the world, releasing even MORE information without English lawyers being involved seems like an absolute recipe for disaster. Selen already said that she wanted to move on and she since has, Nijisanji themselves would have been able to move on if they never released the black screen video and they just let Riku speak for the branch and the entire company.
Continuosly trying to paint Selen as an individual responsible for causing trouble next to Vox "In my opinion it wasn't harassment" Akuma and Enna "You guys would still love me even if I killed someone" Alouette would go about as well over the fans as a lead balloon.

>>70155913
>Selen deserved to be bullied into suicide
This but unironically.

>>70158350
I can see them bringing up a discord conversation and saying it's Selen hinting that the rest should go kts.
>"hey guys you heard of sudoku, I found some really hard ones"
>play, nobody can solve it because retards
>"guys, it's simple, just solve the sudoku"

>>70158415
Finana is known to be a terminal エゴサ so I wouldn't be surprised if it actually is her

>>70158341
This is going to be a clusterfuck if true.

>>70157600
Fianana, anal, now. I must rearrange your insides.

>>70155279
>making the ideally final statement
they can't actually be retarded enough to make another statement, right?

Anons answer me this: Selen's bullying accusation is validated through the termination notice and through the message stream. Which means that Nijisanji has put themselves into a position where they have to prove a negative. What would it actually take to prove that Selen wasn't mistreated? Forget the court of public opinion or how bad of an idea attempting this would be, what would it take to sway you?

Is Finana still here?
If yes - do you like it in the ass?

>>70155279
You fucking morons need some actual perspective.
Stop going into an "us against the world" echo chamber and try to understand why even people unassociated with vtubing got on this.

>>70158564
Releasing the receipts. They got the document, they know what the allegations are.
Release the logs with full context and they clear their name instantly.

>>70158478
>release MORE private conversations
>This will make us look good!
I can't even, it is obvious they have no clue what PR optics is at this point, just get it over with already.

>>70158564
Literally Selen herself saying it of course
But they would probably have to walk back that termination to get her to talk

Mental Gymnastics the thread

>>70142517
Turns out parasocial fucks are the audience that pays. Be a smarter woman next time, don't associate with people who will drag your career down

>>70158615
What logs though? All the logs from the start of time? They've got to demonstrate that they weren't bullying her at any time, not just a given time.

>>70158564
Best move is just shutup and leave it alone. Eating the hit to numbers hurts, but if it is true Selen is an unhinged bitch that suicide baits then she'll self implode and they'll be vindicated. But if the counter is true, that they did bully and harass her then might as well shutdown NijiEN is because then they're now not only fighting Selen rrat but also every liver that graduated or were terminated previously meaning the bullying wasn't a one off but a repeated pattern of behavior. There's no amount of apology to wipe that slate clean.

There's no way that was Finana. Right? THERE'S NO FUCKING WAY.

Just shut up. No more statements. JUST MOVE ON AND MEMORY HOLE EVERYTHING YOU STUPID RETARD.

>>70158597
See >>70157196.
Narcissists are unironically mentally ill. If you want a pop culture reference to understand it, try the Annihilated episode of SVU, guy literally killed his wife and children and "was attacked too" just so he wouldn't be blamed.

>>70158615
The fallout is going be glorious. They will present it in a way that makes them look good and selen bad, forcing the other side to respond. And the other side has enough shit to bury them alive, for real this time.

>>70154232
The MV artist has confirmed on twitter that the storyboard (including all still frames) had been given the okay almost a year prior.
This is confirmed factual by the people that worked on the MV.
The management created an infraction post-hoc just to justify terminating her. It was not against any rules or guidelines to include ex-livers. There are dozens of examples of livers including ex-livers in their MVs and orisongs. Enna had included pomu just a month prior.
We know from the leaked discord message that some organs had gathered and conspired to arrive to the decision that Selen had to get terminated, and they went to management and asked for Selen to get terminated. This is also established.
A liver went on nyfco and leaked the Selen termination a week before it happened. Just as they'd done with the Zaion termination, even going so far as to thank the sisters for their assistance. This is established fact.
Then we got all the leaks and the gurrat (incl. LK and Leaker/nijispy leaks that have been confirmed).


It was never about the MV. The MV was a pretext. They have to literally make a new rule and apply it retroactively.

Imagine if Elira's first return stream is a collab with Dokibird.

>>70158457
I wonder what mental gymnastics those narcissists are doing to convince themselves that wasn't a smear campaign.

>>70158564
>What would it actually take to prove that Selen wasn't mistreated?
They can't, because she was. But in a completely hypothetical situation where she wasn't... it just wouldn't have gotten to this point. They would have just let her go with a more neutral public message and let lawyers deal with the behind the scenes stuff. As far as 'proof' goes, they could try releasing more discord conversations, but that's what I want because I think it'd be hilarious

>>70158723
No, the ones that pertain to the allegations would suffice.
Keywords here are "full context." This would essentially give doki an excuse to release her side of the story, so full transparency is important here. This only works if they are being honest and she is not, which is why it will never happen.

>>70158748
Anons had already told her that yesterday, but she is still insisting on contacting Doki even after being told not to.

>>70158645
Selen has been very blatant that she wants nothing to do with them any more and if we believe this thread, she's refusing to even respond to EN's messages. At this point it would be better if EN just respected Doki's wishes and moved on from this, because putting out another message trying to "straighten the record" or some shit is just straight stupidity.

>>70158002
I admit that can turn into Doki having all the cards, she can just go “who said I agree with it” with the finishing blow, or nod and end there.

As a PR strategy, I disagree with silence. Works only if no fire are stroke, and we are past that. At this point it’s just letting one side speak for two.
But basically betting all the chips on the other side is playing russian roulette.

Also, holy shitto we are at such level of larping with that statement that if not real, Anon, I kneel.

>>70158564
They would need Doki herself to say the people being accused are actually good people and what she thought was bullying was an overreaction. This seems to be what the livers who drank the koolaid believe, but it's hard to take that idea seriously when vox laughs at her and says there's no favoritism. Plus, Niji was apparently so afraid of what they saw in Selen's doc they fired her in 2 hours. So there's clearly something damning in there they don't want us to see.

>>70142517
Dear fish,
I'm sorry you're so gullible and impressionable and so easily gaslightable. It must make social and work relationships really tough to maintain.
I hope when the time comes you can find the strength in yourself to recognize what's right and wrong without allowing yourself to be influenced by bleeding heart bullies or self righteous moralists.

>>70158869
Wait, this happened yesterday?

>>70158810
Kino

>>70158802
Maria also included Pomu in a MV. I think the MV was released some days after Selen's termination.

Just had a thought- If finanon really doesn't respond again, its probably because one of the less retarded members of nijisanji saw this thread and realized what she was doing and messaged her to stop lmao

I hope to god this entire thread just has one of the most talented LARPers out there, a master baiter. Because in the off chance this is a Niji sister defending the company or one of the talents themselves discussing what they plan on doing internally, I think I'm going to have a brain aneurysm.

>>70158815
I really think they'll do the same thing that the sisters are doing, acting like Selen "betrayed them" for acting "rash and irresponsibly".

>>70157600
>a partial admission of guilt from both sides
>how everyone (Doki and Niji) could have acted different
can't just apologize for your own mistakes, still gotta try to push some of the blame elsewhere. this is why nobody will ever accept anything you say to be genuine.

>>70159008
>I think I'm going to have a brain aneurysm
Why? This shit is funnier than the science diagrams that look like shitposts videos with vidya music.

>>70142517
>helps destroying Vox's career
>helps destroying Finana's

Heh, nothing personel

>>70158962
Look at the posts starting from: >>70098443
She was here almost until the death of the thread.

>>70158875
True
But her reputation, especially in JP is damaged by that bad termination
It is about they only leverage they have

>>70158973
Well that would be frankly the WEIRDEST ending to this whole thing. Totally bizzarro /vt/ stuff.

>>70157600
>blind ears
what the fuck did she mean by this?

>>70158564
>Guys how do I unfuck the cake?
You can't. You deal with the consequences of your actions and clean everything up as best as possible.
Even if Doki were to come and back you up in the best case scenario, the damage is still done. It only affects how difficult the clean up is.

>>70158802
What discord leaks are these?

>>70155279
>She didn't, but she also hasn't owned up to it to any degree. You seriously want Elira to "own up to her mistakes" and shit, while turning a blind eye to Doki's mistakes? Don't any of you see the disparity?
Finana, no one GIVES A CRAP about Doki ignoring management and posting the fucking MV. The bullying and harassment that made her try to end her life is the fucking problem.

Question, if this turns out not real, things get actually solved pacefully, and Finana one day does 4chan stream, would you send her this?

>>70159167

>>70159008
Tbf larping as her isn't hard, just time consuming and feels dirty, basically just u ironically post as a sister in the 3rd person.

>>70158983
Her final message was much more structured and well thought out, someone must've tardwrangled her.

>>70159049
Besides the fact that I was dumb enough to support Nijisanji even before Lazulight debuted, its the fact that there is a greater than 0% chance that the people I supported are actually planning on doing this.
I mean I'm laughing, but its also one of the most aggravating, stupidest idea I've ever heard of.

>>70159055
Pesky latina needs rape corretion

Hey, Finana. If you are still here, give Sayu a call and say you are sorry.

>>70142517
Finana, if you would apologize to Zaion, she would forgive you and so would most of the people. At this point the community is just waiting for someone to support that isn't a straight up cunt. All you need to do is say you are sorry with no bullshit excuses. If you move your gacha longform content to twitch you can easily recoup back your old audience! It isn't impossible!
But you have to distance yourself from the crazy sisters and other livers.

>>70159268
>Turns out this entire time was Reimu LARPing as Finana.

>>70158810
>Doki, the world will never know what she did. Future generations will revile her; in America as a despicable clique leader with no sense of honor, and Japan as a monster who mismanaged a whole company. She will go down in official history as a vtubing criminal
>But I think she wanted you of all people to know the truth. She wanted to live on in your memory, not as a vtuber, but as a girl. But she was forbidden to tell you herself. And that's why she told me. Doki, history will ever know what she did. No one will ever learn the truth. Her story... her debriefing, will endure only in your heart. Everything she did, she did for her friends. She sacrificed her life and honor for her gen. She was a real hero. She was a true patriot

>>70159268
The twists just can't stop coming.

What if just like Luka and his Hag Handler, Finana being skinwalked and groomed to leak stuff by her discord lol?

>>70159324
KOJIMBO NOOOOOO

>>70159275
This would be tremendous, Sayu has said she's willing to forgive anyone as long as the apology is genuine. No "but you also did xyz" bullshittery or you're on her permanent shitlist though. Also don't expect a collab to suddenly happen.

>people buying the fucking LARP
>people treating obvious LARPers regurgitating old rrats as inside leakers
>most insane shit being uncritically consumed
I feel like I need to step away from this board. Here's a picture of Suntory Nomu.

>>70158815
>We're just trying to explain our side
Unfortunately 'our side' is 'we wish she would leave the company because she doesn't pay along with our politics'

>>70159367
>Acting like this is the weirdest shit ever happened here.

>>70159217
Absolutely real
I'm sure they were concerfagging when they read that last one

>>70159367
Actual chuubas outing themselves have posted way more retarded shit.

>>70159437
The former was confirmed to be real in the black box video, and since the other one was leaked earlier...

>>70157600
KYS already Finana and hopefully you succeed unlike Doki

>>70159437
It lines up with Vox telling Selen to kill herself:
>>70154870
And the Discord profile pic's attachment is the same one seen in a screenshot of Dokibird to her manager.

It's not Finana, you gullible retards.
I ran the posts through Sherlock w/ Llama 2.0, trained on approx 480 minutes of transcripts.

It was not a match.

>>70159367
Humoring people is fun anon. Maybe you should try it someday, lest you stop enjoying even vtubers

>>70159367
You know anon, you sound like guy who suprised by people in movie theatre
Like WTF RETARDS IT'S CGI BRUH

>>70159545 (me)
Dokibird talking to her manager*

>>70159217
>>70159437
Nobody believed either of these when they were first posted, but the top one resurfaced after the Black Stream confirmed ex-livers being an issue.
Additionally, Doki's current manager posted a discord screenshot showing that she has identical avatar decorations, suggesting she used her personal account to collaborate on the MV.

>>70159554
Do you have receipts?

>>70158105
Bitches tried to blacklist her from the whole vtuber community on her exit after trying 2x to exit life, these sjakes should fuck off and be stoned

>>70146652

So...they are gonna release something?

>>70148958
The last two posts using slurs make the authenticity questionable. What made the first two believable was the strange length someone in /vt/ would go to defend Finana and the language used to do so.

>>70158564
Vox quite literally admitted to there being harassment. He just stated it was not harassment according to him and his sensibilities.

They cannot take it back. The company admitted to it, Vox admitted to it, the stream itself was an admission of it, the leakers admitted to it, the facts regarding promotions, sponsorships, and events corroborate it.

There is no way to salvage.

>>70159618
Top one was literally shown in the black box stream. Here are the original leaks.
>>/vt/thread/65573885#p65608889
>>/vt/thread/65590975#p65625101

>>70159700
Sounds like nijisis typical delusion and off-topic, we are enjoying either this epic nonsense or containment breach moment.

>>70159700
It's maybe referencing the ''grassroots'' attempt to clean NijiEN by giving adultered versions of the story to other streamers, that the leaker has been talking about.
More than grassroots it would be astroturfing as it's artificial instead of natural.

>>70159367
This would have never happened if it wasn't for the black frame stream. That was genuinely one of the worst ideas ever conceived, not only did Elira implicate herself as a bully, but she also confirmed that Enna and Millie were also in Selen's legal document something that was just meant to be FUCKING PRIVATE AND SHARED ONLY WITH LEGAL TEAMS. So because that one rrat about Enna/Millie's clique got confirmed, and because past rrats have been confirmed like Nina's graduation date, along with Krisis being leaked in its near entirety, people are going to take any negative post about NijiEN seriously, no matter how fake it may or may not be.
Luca's ex-mod after all leaked out tons of compromising information too. At this point it's clear that Anycolor is a bit of a leaky ship.

>>70159217
>>65634703
k e k

>>70142517
I'm just gonna compile what I said before then to the notFinana/notElira since I still think they apply to her too.

Atonement doesn't only come from the victims, Anon. The whole point of an apology is to acknowledge your mistakes and put forth an effort to either fix the mess you made, and/or to prevent this from ever happening again. If this hypothetical Elira's serious about making good on her crimes, she don't need Doki for that. She can start by fixing her attitude, the people around her, and if/whenever Doki's ready to open up again, then she can apologize to Doki and MAYBE get closure.
It's absolutely NOT Doki's job to make Elira feel better after nearly ending her life. Just like how it's not her job to stop the bleeding subs that Nijisanji put on themselves for their horrible actions recently.

>And what next? Fuck off? Forever? Live with the consequences of your own actions forever? Die of despair? All the while you've been meaning to apologize for the past 6 years albeit to no avail because you keep saying that any attempt at an apology is a bad idea? I guess you're right. Elira should just fuck off and disappear forever. That is what you want, right?
Unfortunately, yeah. That's basically it. Unless Elira can prove over time that she's overcome her own shitty personality and become a person who WON'T bully people to suicide and sabotage their careers, instead lifting people up like the fans thought she was, she's going to get shat on and shunned for her actions. Obviously nobody's COMPLETELY irredeemable, but people tend to stay stuck in their ways more often than not, making others skeptical whenever says they can change. Sayu's a shining example of that. She weathered the whole fucking nijisister army for an entire year, trying to fight back her haters with kindness to show that she's not the monster they thought she was, and she was able to do it to some extent, turning people back on her side and starting to grow even better than she was with the organ boost, although she's still radioactive as a brand thanks to Niji.


There's a fun phrase I love to think about. "Be the person your dog thinks you are." If I could tell her something, in this case it's more like "Be the person your fans thought you were, Elira."

This whole thing is just really depressing. Elira, Finana, and the rest of the organs at NijiEN weren't bad entertainers themselves. They were relatively good at their job and had good chemistry, but it seems like the complete lack of management and bullshit going on behind the scenes ruined whatever potential good they had. It's still there, somewhere, and the right direction or support might bring it back out again, but lord knows it's gonna be hard to ever trust them again. If Niji does announce a bunch of terminations, I'll probably keep an eye on most of them and see if they ever improve. I probably owe them at least that much for how much they helped me in 2021-2022 with their content.

tl;dr: You fucked up bad, but from what we know, you can still come back from this as a person, Finana. You're not the brightest but you have great potential as an entertainer when we saw you early on, but you've had a lot of bad advice and friends take you on terrible paths by shunning the people who actually were trying to either care for you in some form, or wanted to invest in you. Regardless of your intentions, you alienated a ton of your fans at some point or another, which is a death sentence for the industry. It's fine if you don't like them, but you at least need to either pretend to if you want the money, or work on creating content that DOESN'T require parasocialism, like Rin Penrose does. Personally, I think you have a lot more potential with the parasocial stuff because even if it's cringe or predatory, it's still a niche that people actually do want filled.

If you want another case of a streamer in a similar position of getting absolutely fucked out the ass reputation wise and clawing herself back, unironically look at and maybe even try to talk to Sayu again and try to reconcile, maybe even get some tips at staying strong and branching out into new content, since at the start at least both of you were pretty similar on that front too. Her twitter DMs are still open last I checked, and she DOES read them. I say this as a Sayu fan who doesn't want to reopen old wounds, but I think it would do a lot to at least help both Sayu and your own mental state to try to talk to her again, even if it's only for closure.

In closing, I really hope you're the gentle, naive idiot I think you are and not the malicious, sadistic psychopath that /vt/ thinks Elira is.

Honestly let’s just archive this at this point, the larper/Finana is clearly not here anymore.

Still that strange like of Elira at Finana’s fish, I wonder why specifically that post and not the others.

>>70158815
"Mental gymnastics" is too generous. The line of though with this kind of people tends to be "we got in trouble because of her, so we're clearly the victims here"

>>70153684
> No matter how many receipts or proofs you are given, everyone marks it off as just "damage control" and won't actually listen.
The fundamental issue is that you people STILL, after ALL THIS TIME, believe that "your side" is RIGHT somehow.
Anycolor and Riku fucked up. He at least gave a somewhat token apology (although from the branch's actions, it doesn't seem like anything is gonna change).
Elira, Vox and Ike fucked up.
All the livers that RT'ed that video without looking fucked up.
They have not acknowledged that they fucked up, or apologized for it.
None of you idiots even seem to think you did anything wrong.
And as long as you hold on to that misguided idea, yes.. Anything you say or do will not be taken seriously and will only be seen as damage control.
Look inwards, look at every single person that's made a video about the situation without bringing your own personal feelings into it, look at the absolute state of your branch and how fucked a bunch of the talents are.
And realize that (You) are the bad guy.

>>70142517
Consider the following:

>>70160005
Yeah, I agree, but it still feels cathartic to get things off my chest. I miss LiveJournal sometimes, even if I never really used it at its peak.

>>70160072
hmong us

>>70159367
Most rrats have been actually confirmed though, sis.
You might be more comfortable back at nyfco

>>70151023
>Also Finana, since you are /here/, get your shit together. I miss my comfy imouto chuuba. Watching you regress over time has been painful.
If you think about it, Finana is the perfect little sister experience. Cute little sister becomes an annoying woke regressive feminist Trans activist. It's like your little sister went to collage. All she is missing is piercings and a lesbian hair cut.

>>70142517
Hello Finana.
You really should answer the door next time. I don't bite :)

>>70153684
>No matter how many receipts or proofs you are given, everyone marks it off as just "damage control" and won't actually listen.
No one in their right mind would claim that what Nijisanji has done is 'damage control'. You don't 'damage control' a burning house with a flamethrower.

>>70159888
>There's a fun phrase I love to think about. "Be the person your dog thinks you are." If I could tell her something, in this case it's more like "Be the person your fans thought you were, Elira."
Damn. That's a good phrase, anon.

>>70160155
New outfit confirmed?

>>70158810
>Guys, thanks for joining in on our "Black Company" ARG! We really had a lot of fun making this for you guys, and a huge shoutout to Vox, Ike, and the rest of the Niji livers for making this all possible. You all were so helpful! And of course, a special shout-out to Rika, not just for his amazing performance in the apology video, but for even authorizing all this and letting us do something this big to begin with!
>Oh, and a special thanks to all the community members who were able to participate, posting "behind the scenes" info and "leaks" -
>Yeah, shout out to Raziel especially, she actually wrote a lot of her own dialog and really added a lot.
>Later, we're going to have some livers join for a bit to talk about their contributions, we have Vox and Ike, of course, we have Luca, Millie and Enna, uhh.. oh yeah, Ren will be on, he did a lot of the organizing and like, the backend stuff... and we have our surprise addition, Aster coming on too!
>Yeah, that was a really cool last minute addition, Aster and Scarle's thing! I didn't even know they were going to be a part of this... is Scarle going to join with him?
>Scarle? Uh, I guess she couldn't make it unfortunately. I think she's really busy, she hasn't responded to my message yet.

>>70160155
Don't give her ideas for her next outfit.

>>70156387
It's always a good rule of thumb not to take advice from someone who uses the term "y'all".

>>70160208
Kek

>>70160208
Lmao
STILL no Doki

>>70160146
>Most rrats have been actually confirmed
They haven't though. It's just your cognitive dissonance, sis.
I bet you were one of the apostrophe spergs as well.

>>70160208
I would kneel and buy a member to every single organ involved, and start calling them livers, if this was the case.

>>70160276
Maybe anon is intentionally trying to sabotage Finana's career.

>>70160351
>mocking the apostrophe spergs
But they were right
At least mock a rrat that was proved wrong

>>70159554
So you're telling me that her written grammar when speaking off-stream did not match bot-generated transcripts of her on-stream personality? Color me impressed

I wonder how much zaion knows despite being there for a short time

>>70156527
I mean, what else is she good at anyway?
Even the biggest Niji haters loved her sex ASMRs. She has the talent for it.

>>70160208
KEK

>>70160483
Sayu...

>>70160439
Medfags are perpetually beaten by schizos.
>>70134164

>>70160483
chat is this real?

>>70160155
>Cute little sister becomes an annoying woke regressive feminist Trans activist
So you want her model to be actual 200kg landwhale with extensive acne and stretch marks?

>>70155279
> they are actually taking their time, gathering up as much evidence and arguments as they can before making the ideally final statement, then go back to streaming as normal. This will take time.
and here I thought you people had hit bedrock
keep digging I guess, at the very least it'll be entertaining to see how deep you can fall

>>70160483
Isn't the slack the official channel they're meant to use to talk to managers?
Isn't she effectively cut off from the managers if she can't see it?

>>70160574
Raziel showed that screenshot on her twitter to give credibility to her claims.
https://twitter.com/RazielWarmonic/status/1755279348339196290

>>70160574
Chat?
We are not a fucking chat
Who are you?

>>70160666
Yes, they kicked her out during her suspension, when they decided to terminate her.

>>70160666
Exactly as you say.

>>70160736
baka my head

>>70160666
This is her while she was getting terminated, admittedly.
So saying she felt suicidal right before she got smeared in shit, doxxed and harassed.

>>70155279
Now they are actually taking their time, gathering up as much evidence and arguments as they can before making the ideally final statement,
They literally have access to the discord logs, slack logs, and all the company papers. Their stock is doing a complete nosedive and everyone's jumping ship. They're seriously running out of time here if their evidence is supposedly this rock solid. If they really are in the right, they're getting played by a bpd menhera lying bitch who apparently never accomplished anything with the company or without it. And if that's the case, they deserve to crash and burn just for that.

>>70160574
It was from luca's mod leaks

>>70160880
Literally tarred and feathered, the fucking animals.

>>70160880 (me)
allegedly*

>>70155279
> turning a blind eye to Doki's mistakes
There's something called "proportional response".
Putting chewed gum on someone's shirt as a "prank" is an asshole move.
But if the person getting pranked drew a gun and fired 2 bullets into the prankster's arm, the "prank" is no longer relevant.
You'll have attempted manslaughter and other charges.
The prankster no longer needs to apologize for anything because the response was disproportional, and he has become the victim instead.
This is what you people did to Selen.
It's an MV she made with her own money to grow Nijisanji's mindshare, and no matter what the "law" says about it, she has the moral right to tell her fans to reupload it.
You will not gain any sympathy by continuing to harp on this chewing gum point while you and your coworkers almost killed a person.

>>70160887
Take into account they could ommit, delete or edit Discord messages to muddy the context and make it seem like Selen gave crazy answers to them.

But Finana, why? Elira literally called you irrelevant and a nobody, but you still think everything is okay? Is it Stockholm Syndrome?

>>70160812
Fine. Fair enough

>>70160950
They got the family feel right down to the toxic abuse. Amazing dedication to the bit.

>>70161026
The other problem is that Selen has her own receipts too. She may be locked out of the account, but if just enough logs line up then it's not going to look good for Anycolor either, especially since her lawyer seems remotely competent compared to Anycolor's.

Since the thread is close to expiry,

https://rentry.org/LoveForTheNijisanjiENLivers

This is how some livers have suggested their communities engage in grassroot public relations. There is a strong emphasis on positivity, focus on good qualities, and reminiscence of fun and memorable events and slices of nijisanjiEN history. Some of the fans are already hard at work, evidently.

>>70161046
>Elira literally called you irrelevant and a nobody

No one deserves that kind of treatment from a "friend." I hope feesh gains the strength and will to think for herself and shed these toxic sluts from her life.

>>70161026
>delete or edit Discord messages to muddy the context and make it seem like Selen gave crazy answers to them
It's 100% solid court case.

>anons are 105% of the time either faseflagging or playing the devil's advocate to stir shit and het easy Yous
>holy shit dude, she is totally here!

>>70157600
> 2. a partial admission of guilt from both sides, how everyone (Doki and Niji) could have acted different
You are really stirring the fire and you will be raped in the ass by public opinion for that. Really who the fuck doing PR shit in your hellhole?

>>70161198
lmao

MY NEW POTENTIAL SCHIZO RRAT
Are the receipts of Selen struggling to get perms from discord or slack?

>>70161198
The impact of this will be negligible.

>>70161271
discord...

>>70153684
>I'm sure they are preparing to make a better statement soon as the whole of NijiEN, it will just take a bit of time.

Upcoming niji yab.

>>70156172
Anon this isn't some outside "mob" roaming in to attack Nijisanji.
Sure there's some people like that, but did you not see how many subs they collectively lost?
Do you know how hard it is for DEAD SUBS to take the effort to go to every single channel they subbed to and click the UNsub button?
This issue is INTERNAL. The people they hurt are FANS. They WANT the company to improve so that they can hopefully go back to watching their comfort content.
Some of them will not come back. The situation was THAT bad. But there may be still people willing to listen to a sincere and heartfelt apology and a commitment to improve things behind the scenes.
but we all know niji doesn't play that game

>>70161198
Please wrangle the feesh Leaker-san. This place is not good for her. I say that out of compassion, in spite of my love of the dramu and continuing to drag Anycolor's name through the dirt

>>70161239
They actually come here newfag

>>70161198
It's pathetic that they want to paint the streamers in a good light, yet they admit to not watching the content of some of them at all.

>>70161228
>It's 100% solid court case.
nah, according to the lawyer even if doki wins the case she would only win like 20,000 best case scenario or some shit like that
and that's after a long time in legal procedures.

>>70161292
MY RRAT
Selen was cut off from the official Slack sometime prior and had to use discord

>>70161198
Damn, Leaker-san, you always bring juicy stuff as the last meal.

>>70161026
They will never escalate it to a battle of "receipts" because going to court and giving the plaintiff access to Discovery would cripple their stock within seconds.
It would be considerably cheaper to settle with her for 10 million dollars compared to the alternative.

>>70157600
how do you feel knowing that you had an extremely dedicated fanbase who stuck with you through thick and thin that you shit on and filtered over and over until you got to this point?

>>70161198
KEK

Leaker, if you're still here: Can you verify if the anon that was posting here is Finana? I would believe that they talk about these types of things over Discord.

>>70161198
Is Selen still a part of that history?

>>70161494
No, she does not exist.

>>70161486
How can he do that though? By her writing style?

>>70161372
If they try to redact evidience for more smearing.

>>70157917
The only thing the crowd will accept is a full apology. Trying to "divide blame" at this stage will just get people making picrel eyes at you.

>>70161376
This is a really fucking good point. Why were work related, important shit like this done in Discord and not Slack?

>>70161546
As I said, they could be sharing in the Discord server their experiences with fans and ''antis'' in 4chan and the doxxsite, trying to reach a consensus on what to do.

>>70161541
Honesty is sublime
How unfortunate

>>70157600
THE SUBSCRIPTION BLEEDING STOPPED, THE STOCK HAS STABILIZED AT SLIGHTLY OVER 3,000 YEN AND PEOPLE ARE WATCHING ANY LIVERS WHO STREAM. YOU ARE OUT OF THE HOLE. DON'T GO BACK IN YOU RETARDED FUCKS

>>70161376
Anon? I think you are a genius. Why the fuck wasn't Selen using slack to talk with her manager? Was she using the private livers discord server?

>>70160155
This is partly why the finana story is so sad. Apparently a lot of people here wanted her turn out to be more. Weather it be actually commit to asmr, figure out a way to make gacha more interesting or stream it less, or just stay in her lane and avoid leftoid politics. Its a shame people like her are just surrounded by other extremists that just confirm every incorrect thing she is taught.

>>70157917
Fuck off. They don't get to take their ball and go home after the black screen garbage they pulled on Doki. That shit was so malicious it honestly felt like they were trying to set up a third attempt on fucking camera.
>>70161553
Hell even if they do a full apology, I won't accept anything unless it comes straight from her mouth to show that it was genuine and not a puff piece open letter bullshit while trying to sue her out the ass behind the scenes.

>>70161724
This conversation better get carried over the next thread discussing the rrats around NijiEN.

>>70161648
Imagine if they actually gathered all of our feedback here, and statisically analyzed all suggested methods of reconciliation.

"Well guys we tabulated all the responses from anons on /vt/. Naked dogeza has an overwhelming lead at 68% of all replies w.r.t. how to redeem our reputation"

>>70161724
Are you guys retarded? The screenshot shown in the Black screen video was from Slack, she wasn't cut off from Slack

>>70161239
Anon...why do you think Millie made the group chat stream?

>>70161844
That was from before the suspension tho

>>70158564
> prove that Selen wasn't mistreated
The allegations were revealed by Nijisanji but Selen agreed with them.
And Elira's black video showed the exact type of bullying Selen was facing internally.
You can't put that genie back into the bottle.
Get it through your thick skulls that you FUCKED UP.
Apologize unilaterally, do not attack her any more than you already have, internalize that you all are shitty people, and try to improve from there.
If the next talent is actually skilled at solving puzzles, you people will get class action lawsuits served up the ass.

>>70161239
https://files.catbox.moe/tbuzf8.png

>>70158748
Memoryholing everything might get you schizo antis.
Every single statement they made since the start of this fuckup had at least one section attacking Selen.
Make at least ONE that does not do that.
And THEN you can try and move on.

>>70161903
So you guys are arguing that she was cut off from Slack after the MV was privated and sent the discord messages about the MV being probably the last work of her after that?

>>70161788
The doxxsite is more pro-Nijisanji so the sister hugbox may make them be under the false impression that they can still win.

But to be serious
Finana if you ego-search this later
Consider therapy even if you fine
It can help

>>70162082
If the receipts are Slack you can dismiss the rrat

>>70161788
Millie:
>This /vt/ stream will be even better than the sequel!

To wrap this all up
To the Finana larper/Finana actual,

Behind all of the white-hot anger at those who did the stonewalling and bullying (be it management or "management"), I feel really fucking sad. This is yet another way to show that all this time fans (true fans, not passerbys like me) spent watching your streams has been for nothing. It has been irrevocably poisoned by the actions of your colleagues/superiors and your silence. Imagine - hundreds of thousands of Ryuugard-hours spent thinking about you are just filled with sadness.
And I bet that Dragoon-hours spent watching Selen, and now the other life, will be akin to an imperfect diamond - sparkling and radiant despite its flaws and faults.

Please, for the love of all that is holy, move on.

>>70161486
I don't know, she has not mentioned anything on any of the group channels.
It sounds like her, but then again, I am not a good judge based on writing style alone.

>>70162082
The juicy idea is that Selen was blocked from Slack prior, but if it was posted on Slack that's obviously not the case here.
Her getting cut off afterward has no evidence but could've happened with Zaion as a precedent

>If Finana was really here
Fuck you, really. I still can't believe you threw Zaion and Selen under the bus.

>>70162175
Thanks. About the writing style and the very specific details that were mentioned, I'm inclined to say that it's her, but it could also be a pretty good larper.

>>70162348
But a larper that knows something right?

>>70162015
classic image

>>70162175
I'm curious, how is the 'company' discord set up? Does it have a couple general channels and then a 'wave' channel for each wave, or is it one of those Discords that has six hundred channels for no good reason?

>>70162089
Seeing how they talk about 4chan, dramatubers, redditors, etc, I wouldn't be surprised.
They might even think we're the ones living in a bubble. I don't think they realize how little time I would be spending here if I could have fun with my oshis instead


Also 1st feesh might have been real.
I think 2nd was a larper regardless of 1st.
Don't know about this last one.

>>70162506
There's a company Slack. The discord is (by her admission) run by Elira.

>>70160155
>piercings
Anon...

>>70162015
Missing the Ironmouse one

>>70162443
It could be, as it could also be all made up to give it legitimacy.

>>70162518
The posts from yesterday might be her trying to deflect being ''Finana'' by using 4chan lingo.

>>70161198
> focus on memories
> memories
All of these memories, lost in malice, like tears in the rain... Time to go.

>>70162659
Imagine if she confirmed that it was her and she gets blasted for saying 'fags' and 'retards'.

>>70162506
There are three modes of communication.

Slack.
Official discord server.
Unofficial discord server.

Elira's discord server (the one primarily used) has several channels, including wave/gen channels, yes.

>>70162659
Nah, I think it was just too blatant overall. The 4chan lingo is not the issue, the "you fucks" is, along with a whole day after, in the same kind of thread, with the same kind of takes.

>>70162175
since we're still in page 10...
was this >>69137250 post made by you?

>>70162506
Elira's talked a lot about how her discord is run. There's general channels, wave channels, a reimu R18 channel where she just posts lewd shit all day, and different collab channels for streaming that can be dropped in and out of

>>70162744
She seemed to replace every instance where she would have said ''you fucks'' with ''you fags''. Almost easy to spot on.

>>70162864
And a vent channel right? Total cancer

>>70161256
Even the rest of them sound like first impressions and/or aggregations of the last few streams / recent treads kek

>>70162833
No, but it's hauntingly accurate, save for the culprit's identity.

>>70162930
Can you give a hint on who it was?

>>70162930
Who was the culprit? That is, if you can reveal without getting in trouble.

>>70162015
Always made me wonder, how anon can so easily simp for basically same lowlifes as him.

>>70162905
Honestly, doesn't seem any more cancer than normal discord stuff. It makes sense for how early niji was run as basically an indie twitch group.

>>70162751
Any managers in Eliras discord? Do they know what goes on there?

>>70155277
>Finana is one of the dumbest cunts around,
Pretty much.

>>70163005
They have since left for greener pastures. It was so recent that it feels like yesterday.

>>70163053
iirc there are, but there's a second discord without them I think. The "unofficial" discord.

>>70163080
Figures, yeah that was the prime suspect too.

>>70163030
Vent channels are the death knell of discord servers. Forces everyone to play therapist with each other and airs issues better kept to personal chats to the whole group

>>70163080
Kyo. So the doxxsite screenshot with the poster announcing Zaion's termination while using his name may really be him after all.

>>70161198
Big if true. Also I hope you understand that for the fans who actually want the livers they enjoy to continue and who have kept overall clean images through this, you would be an important potential lifeline to give them the full context of the situation and help them making the right choices long term with them and their fans in mind. It would be a fair bit of responsibility but no one else is or could be in that kind of position. Just look at the potential disregard for this thread and the other ones despite some well intentioned posts.

>>70163187
No, that was another liver posting under his name, in jest. He was aware and found it hilarious.

>>70163185
Enabling bitching and moaning is the worst thing possible. It just creates a completely toxic and echo-chambery atmosphere.

>>70163292
>He
Is that a hint too?

>>70163080
but only her genmates were aware of her address right? since they were the only ones who did an offcollab. I assume it was at her house.
so who told him that info?
or maybe you need to send your address during application or smth I guess, in that case well..

>>70163341
Ah, sorry, I'm retarded. Nevermind.

>>70163292
Since you said yesterday, I imagine that it might be Uki. But I'm probably in the wrong since he hasn't left for greener pastures or anything like that, he's just suspended.

>>70161372
I think that anon was implying the court case wasn't about the money but double tapping kurosanji for the last and final time.

>>70163389
Whether or not that's true, I'm not sure why they would need to keep it secret from other waves.

>>70163519
ah right... the whole "family" thing..

>>70163389
The culprit did not get her PII from a fellow liver.

Since the ''greener pastures'' thing was mentioned, if the color green it's a clue then it could be Finana, and if the ''pastures'' it's a clue then it could be Rosemi because of the flower theme of her character.

>>70163747
You're probably overthinking, anon.

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>>70163591
I hope I got them all

>>70163747
The relevant party has already been identified in this very thread, you don't have to speculate.

>>70163292
Honestly I thought it might've been Zaion herself, venting some of the bullshit that was going on. He would find it "hilarious" because she'd be leaving anyway.