/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>70147636
Bullysanji israel.

Pomu because she's too much of a bootlicking bitch to ever admit it was a shithole. She even gaslit herself into thinking she was just tired of vtubing in general rather than having a Niji-specific problem, which is why she doesn't want to reincarnate.

>>70147636
Can you give me sources on these stuff that former nijisanji JP members said? Are those true? Just interested

>>70147636
all of them left on good terms, don't believe holonigger propaganda and fake news

>>70147758
Makes me wonder how bad her office work was to gaslight herself she was better off in niji

>>70147758
If you don't think Pomu is going to reincarnate, you're retarded.

>>70147758
This nigga memoryholing the membership stream she made public during her graduation stream where she said she had no faith in getting other big opportunities while in Niji, not to mention her complaining about management not giving her Home3D for a full-on year.
And if you've been following her twitter, she hasn't reincarnated yet because she can't decide which vtubing path to take.

>>70147872
>>70147899
>>/vt/thread/55099386#p55099585
ExGundou and ExWarabeda joke about having first met in prison, in a clear reference to their previous jobs at Nijisanji.

>>70148235
People put up with a lot to be in the creative field because they see it as an escape.

>Dissatisfied enough to decide to graduate
Anon, if they’re happy, they’d still be there. I doubt there’s a real good term, only on the paper good term.

>>70147636
Can I have sauce

>>70147636
>pomu was clearly in the clique
Why do we give her a free pass again?

>>70148597
If she was in the clique she wouldn't have left

>>70148597
Would someone in the clique say something like this?

>>70147758
There are multiple membership streams of her giving out about management that are still archived and the infamous one of her crying. She's literally the first NijiEN girl and she was the only one who had the stones to say "I quit".
She liked Selen's post about telling people to post the MV elsewhere.
You'd know all this and more...If you weren't a catalogshitter.

>>70148625
Kyo was clearly in the clique and left.

>>70147872

>>70147872
Gundou and Meiji's prison statements https://www.youtube.com/live/K59JSu3GJQA around 20 minutes in
Chitose is I believe this one, but there's another I can find if I dig hard enough https://twitter.com/PIEDPIPER2045/status/1186219381350522887
Gibara's talks of burnout are on her own streams as Gibara but as for outright mocking Nijisanji it's hard for me to give you a specific source, sorry.
Melissa said during either her own graduation or the streams leading up to it, she wanted to do music first and foremost and spent a long time meandering about, so my source is her deleted streams you can dig through yourself. It's probably the most open secret of the bunch.
Mayuzumi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeXQyKXzdYM and though he didn't say the IPO was the cause specifically it's really not hard to read between the lines, considering he also famously opened monetization only around the end of his career.
Chihiro... that one is easy, do your own reps anon.
Setsuna is lost in her wiping her three channels basically every single week.
Lulu's been covered here on and off for years now as well, but I've actually never heard her explicitly say "I was forced to not stream during legal proceedings" so I can't give you a link to that. Considering how she went back to the same mama I've got no doubt in it anyways.
KR's and ID's are messy, because it's a huge swath of people even if I had sources on everything I couldn't do, and they're both vastly different in terms of their experiences, but again it's one of those things where it's just obvious from what people have said on stream like Hana or Mika or Fubuki's sister, so on and so forth.

As for the "good", Ikasumi's got a whole section on her wiki page of the stuff she's said or been mentioned by on her wiki page. https://wikiwiki.jp/nijisanji/出雲霞#IK_episode_after
Same with Azuma. https://wikiwiki.jp/nijisanji/名伽尾アズマ#sotugyou
>>70149001
Ah, that's the Chitose one I was thinking of.

>>70147636
Don't forget picrel too

>>70147636
This looks like Kakure Eria's art. Isn't this the sexy bitch from the cosplay anime?

>>70147636
>Chihiro reincarnated literally 24 hours after graduating,
Link?

>>70148361
they were paid off by Cover. Just like all the smear posts on 5ch and 2ch.

>>70149410
Check Moira's twitter.

>>70149343
I'll be honest, I actually don't know who the fuck this is.

>>70147636
From the thumbnail I thought this artist did something with Pomu fuck you
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/97016432

>>70147758
Just because management blocked that one membership stream doesn't mean it never existed you moron. The fault lies with Niji management. Funnily enough that was revealed to be Elira, talk about a falling out.

>>70147899
Get back to work, Enna.

>>70149784
Utatane Nasa of Phase Connect. She was a member of Yumenographia according to rrats.

>>70148267
If you think she's going to reincarnate anytime soon, you're the retarded one and need to do some beginner tier reps

>>70150067
>Yumenographia
I was wondering why it was incredibly hard to find her roommate, that'd explain it.

>>70148781
What if the clique isn't actually real? What if it's not as significant? Just spitballing here. Psst, I'm Enna by the way.

>>70148289
You're like 33% correct Anon, she's not sure which path to take in the future, but this includes reincarnating or not, and if yes, to go indie or not.

Regardless, this is talking about "the future", since she is currently studying in Japan and has said on multiple twitter spaces that she is fully focusing on that for the time being (to the point where she didn't even bring a laptop or PC with her to force herself to focus)

This is still the most damning thing I have ever heard. Take it away, Roach mommy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If0TxnnrWko

>>70147636
You can add Kuro and Matara on the list of former Niji's shitting on the company.

>>70147636
I don't know much about those who left, but I would imagine those who left on good terms are done with vtubing in general. I'm not sure why would you graduate as a niji and reincarnate if there was no problem between you and the company in the first place.

>>70150283
Yeah and it was all about management.

>>70150283
Yea kind of fucked up that she's surprised management does things other than impose restrictions.

>>70150189
Enna I have some good news for you, by default you are currently the face of NijiEN. Vox has been gone for months, Elira, who the fuck knows when she'll come back or even if.
Go use you clique powers to the max.

>>70150255
>>70148289
>>70147758
Pomu will reincarnate into hololive, she's just bidding her time for EN4 auditions to start in earnest and have Kiara put her application on the top of pile.

>>70150500
Delusional

>>70150621
Cope harder, Pomu won't go to vshojo and any other company is a downgrade

>>70150681
Holobrony cope.

>>70150681
So Pomu will just be waiting for over a year? And Cover will still want her after such a period of inactivity? Now THAT is some prime cope.

No really Cover is going to release EN4 sometime this year for sure :^))

>>70150681
>downgrade
Anything but wactor would be an upgrade. I honestly wouldn't put it pass Kiara to try her hands at getting her as a nepo hire for Holo EN.

I think Lulu's was the most amicable but I've forgotten the specifics of that case. Wasn't she getting stalked, Niji kept putting her on the bench while they figured out what to do about the stalker, Lulu just wanted to stream and asked for a graduation?

>>70150255
Her studying in Japan is only for 3 months (down to 2 months now). We're not talking years down the line.

>>70150368
The only person I could say goes against this is Umiyasha because he's a content creator to his core so he's probably somewhere, but otherwise I agree.

>>70150681
Hololive never managed to hire a 4view.

>>70150782
>So Pomu will just be waiting for over a year?
Yes.
>And Cover will still want her after such a period of inactivity?
With her resume? Yes
On a scale of 10 to 11, how butthurt are you going to be when Pomu reincarnates with HoloEN 4?

>>70150783
Oh, the clique grows. Now the Elira clique spans three corpos. Matara is a confirmed member and Kiara collabed with Elira.

>>70150500
Implying another holoEN gen is coming anytime soon.

EN4 is coming out in 2024 with at least one former Niji in it.

>>70150896
Would be pretty neat? Why would I be butthurt? I guess you're aware that your narrative is so flimsy you have to resort to nonsensical projection.
>With her resume
Most businesses don't appreciate a resume that's a year out of date. There needs to be a niche for her to fill or they'd just be competing with themselves. If Pomu goes indie or to vshojou or w/e else she's hardly going to be competing with Holo, but if she's brought into Holo she might draw viewers from other talents and that's just pointless.

>>70150500
Doesn't seem like she's making any decisions at all yet.
https://twitter.com/dearsqn/status/1761642447195746485

>>70150066
why do you guys keep making Elira hotter and hotter?

>>70151268
Stop liking evil women!

>>70151247
If she's not taking her free ticket to Hololive she's stupid

>>70151268
Because she's cool

>>70151268
im sorry you are into 350 pound women anon

>>70150500
copium why would she even want to join another jp corpo when she already has a big fanbase it's better for her to own her IP RN. if in anycase she is gonna join it's gonna be vshoujo who let's talents hold their IP.

>>70151165
>with at least one former Niji in it.
I doubt it.

>>70151340
>She's stupid for not doing what I want her to do.
Toxic fuck.

>>70150500
You made a mistake of quoting retarded hater (third one in your post) and this >>70150681 is what you got. Deserved.
Let this be a lesson to not engage with that scum in the future.

>>70150900
>Matara is a confirmed member
she was the black sheep of the clique's home gen

>>70151546
>chooses to still visit them after she graduates
yes

>>70151340
your a fag with your biased thinking she would do what's best for her. she ain't gonna take your advice so go cry at the corner.

>>70151546
Was she? She rose through the ranks really quickly. Why was she hanging out at their houses post graduation? Trust no one.

>>70150900
>matara
No? She literally got ghosted and shut down
>Kiara is part of clique
You are literally retarded. I would beat you to death if I knew where you lived.

>>70151340
Ironically this is exactly why she shouldn't join, who wants an obnoxious fanbase with strong opinions on what you should and shouldn't do?

>>70150819
You're missing the point. People don't just begin their studies because they want to, they study to build a strong portfolio in case they want to go job seeking. She must certainly be considering that as a possibility for her study

>>70151714
>No? She literally got ghosted and shut down
Did you watch her graduation? Or watch her at all as Nina? You're so naive.

>>70151650
>>70151608
Why was she talking shit about her clique's company if she was part of it?

>>70151795
She didn't have issues with the clique, just the management. It's not like the clique is an official office of Anycolor. You're a funny guy. Think on it.

>>70151789
A 3-month Japanese language refresher course isn't much of a portfolio-builder. If anything that sounds like a (well-deserved) vacation.

>>70151857
She talked on stream about how she would try to set up collabs with them and they ghosted her and instead created a secret Discord to arrange collabs without her behind her back.

>>70150500
The good ending

>>70151857
Wrong, she called the place dirty and scary.
I guess you also think that Pikamee and Pomu are in the clique just because they're friends with Elira then right?

>>70151946
And that was nearly two and a half years ago.

>>70151964
Yes. Is there any doubt?

>>70151714
Nina literally begged on stream to be included in the clique. After saying she was excluded in that stream with Alban, we had the most forced Ethyria colabs ever.

>>70151047
Should be later this year most likely. Pomu's break lines up perfectly with auditions period. Starting in a couple of months, taking a while to process, then few more months to get to knowher fellow genmates the same way Advent had pre-debut socialization period and be ready to show up in EN4 in Fall 2024. It's pretty crazy how well this lines up.

>>70151434
>muh own IP
This is the only cope you vshojobeggars know and keep mindlessly repeating, refusing to accept the reality that it's a completely irrelevant, moot point to the Hololive conversation.
Holo provides far better opportunities than vshojo ever will. Indies can't compare either. There's a reason pretty much nobody graduates from Holo. Because it's the absolute peak possible in vtubing world as of now and in foreseeable future. Unless you don't fit Holo period, in such case being an indie or part of renowned agency talent is the ideal option - for example the way it is for people like Shondo, Doki, vshojo members. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.
Pomu however does fit Hololive - so in her case joining the company is the best possible move.

>>70151486
Notice how he says his opinion here and not on twitter. Unlike that manipulative cunt Matara who keeps openly begging, directly in her replies, putting pressure on Pomu. Nobody else did this. Only her. Speaking of >>70151612
hi Matara, get fucked. I was hopeful for you when you graduated but you still stay in close contact with Enna, Millie and Kyo. Go rot in hell.

>>70152025
Kiara is also in the clique then because she's friends with Pomu and by your logic that's enough to be in the clique.

>>70152049
>included in the clique
You are an absolute retard. Wanting your co-workers to be professional and work with you isn't highschool drama you fucking faggot.

>>70152025
You seem to conflate friendship with being coworkers and part of the same friend circle and industry.

>>70152136
Yes, now you're up to speed.

>>70152177
I wonder if there was a Valve game they all streamed together so many years ago. I think it was something with zombies and a 4 in the title or something. Hmmmm, I can't quite remember it.

>>70152208
Now all of Kiara's friends are part of the clique too.
Holy shit, everyone is part of the clique!
You figured it out anon! Even me and you are part of the clique!

>>70151857
>She didn't have issues with the clique
"What is NijiUK" for 200, Mister Trebek. Rest in peace.

>>70152273
Welcome aboard.

>>70150066
The funniest part is that you know the moment Emma is out she's going to start shitting on Nijisanji like no other...because she's Enna.

>>70148016
I see pink cat tatas

>>70152113
i think if pomu/deerskin ends up in holo at least she can still maintain her friendship with kiara and that would be sweet.

>>70150681
Why not? She loves them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h--Xk04sfZ4&t=16047s

>>70152451
I think since Kiara already said her name and referred to her as the “ghost”, I don’t see her going rogue and basically talking so easily about a future member. While Matara is still playing around the bushes, not saying specifically she’s Pomu and just playing along the whole “my nemesis”

>>70151546
>>70151714
What is this denial? Matara is absolutely confirmed to be the part of clique. Yes, she was bullied by them early on but it only took her few months to join the clique.

>>70151946
That was in first few months. Now she's chummy with them doing elevator flirting. She also engages with Kyo, the guy who was supporting Zaion doxers.

>>70151964
She said that about Nijisanji. Doesn't mean she's not part of the clique.

I don't get why you retards can't comprehend it. It's really simple.
Matara doesn't mind the clique in the slightest. She didn't like getting bullied (duh) but as soon as she found a way of escaping that fate (by joining them), she no longer had any problem with the clique. It's not her concern if someone else is being harassed. She doesn't care about wellbeing of other people.
Why did she leave? Again, extremely simple. She realized she didn't need Niji EN anymore. Being in cahoots in clique doesn't magically change the fact the clique is fucking incompetent and branch doesn't have proper managers. Leaving was a smart thing to do. Now she enjoys all the benefits of being friends with the clique while also getting better monetary cut (vshojo isn't scummy like Anycolor is) and getting more help from actual high quality managers and not ESL part-timers.
You have to realize this. Clique didn't have power to create. It only had power to deny (Selen, Zaion, Pomu suffered from it the most). It makes perfect sense for Matara to leave Niji EN and it doesn't in any way suggest that she wasn't part of the clique.

>>70152681
>It only had power to deny (Selen, Zaion, Pomu suffered from it the most)
The Pomu cope again. Why would Elira fuck with Pomu? It makes no sense.

I mean, I hate some of the members of the so called “clique” but I’m not going to read or write all of that

>>70152681
>>70151714
>>70151546
>>70150900

Pretty sure Mata didn't start as a member but slowly settled herself into it. I remember on one of her earlier streams (before the whole Doki situation), they were talking about her "secret friend" (Pomu), when someone mentioned Selen and she answered with "I don't know much about her, Selen is not my friend" followed by a solid 15s of awkward silence

>>70152113
>if she is gonna join any corpo
wow giving an unbiased opinion triggered an holofag I call it a win.
P S read the full message fag before you get triggered holofag I hope she does joins any other company other than hololive just to trigger you.

>>70152790
Yeah, because it's true. Remember their interaction during graduation. Funny to think about, I liked Selen and I liked a lot of other people too back in Niji but not a lot of them interacted with her.

>>70152681
You still didn't explain why she would readily shit talk Nijisanji if the clique she's supposed to be in tries it's hardest to keep it afloat.
It really doesn't add up.

>>70152768
What cope you retard? It's a fact. Pic rel.

>Why would Elira fuck with Pomu? It makes no sense.
Were you away from this board, YouTube and twitter for past month or are you actually legitimately stupid? It makes perfect sense why Elira would fuck with Pomu. Pomu was ambitious. Constantly wanting to create something new and special was a lot of extra hassle for management. Exact same problem as with Selen and Zaion. Elira is a lazy whore who wants control and no problems. Passionate people are a thorn in the side for someone like that. They need to be put in their place, just shut up and do generic streams.

>>70152909
The clique transcends NijisanjiEN. It existed before it.

What does any of this have to do with OP?

>>70153064
the average retard here don't know jack shit about nijiJP so they fall back on spouting same drama and rrats as usual

>>70152977
>Pic rel
I am sorry that you're retarded, friend.
>Elira is a lazy whore who wants control and no problems. Passionate people are a thorn in the side for someone like that. They need to be put in their place, just shut up and do generic streams.
You got emotional there, buddy. None of this is backed up by anything. When the Pomu sabotage can be easily blamed on management with good if somewhat circumstantial evidence. People can see Nijisanji EN management's records on linkedin.

>>70152804
You didn't even read the post, you're just a retarded tribalfagging Pavlov's dog with kneejerk reaction to "holo" keyword. You can't even quote properly. Kill yourself.

>>70152909
What the fuck are you on about? Those are two unrelated things. She shittalked Nijisanji because Nijisanji was shit at managing talents. Why wouldn't she do that? It's a fact.

>tries it's hardest to keep it afloat
You're fucking retarded. Many actions of clique are damning Nijisanji. They aren't trying to keep Nijisanji afloat. They are trying to keep themselves afloat, with no regard for branch's growth.

>>70153193
>no arguments

>None of this is backed up by anything.
Lurk more. I'm not wasting more time on you.

>>70153262
>lurk more
Yeah, read more rrats and take them as gospel like a retard. You do realize you're on an anonymous imageboard, right? Quit being a screencap sharing reddit nigger and think.

>>70147636
Don't forget one of the NijiExID graduation thumbnail probably for the funi but suits them now

You people would really benefit from reading this. Most of this thread doesn't know shit about what they talk about.
https://rentry.org/nijileaker/

>>70153345
>read my rrat

>>70153345
>uki is suspended guize iluna yelled at him about it
>his fanbase is leaving him
>a-actually it's expiring soon and a nothingburger
kekkaroo

>>70153316
>nijinigger is scared of truth and calls 4chan reddit

I guess this is Enna's and Elira's new strategy. Rebuilding the clique in vshojo. I shall call vshojobobeggars nijiniggers from now on.

>>70152768
They all knew each other irl and Elira and Millie hated Pomu since way back

>>70150850
why would a 4view drop their own IP and freedom to shack up in a corpo they gain little from?

>>70153206
>Many actions of clique are damning Nijisanji.
They are trying to do damage control for Nijisanji and it's management. Emphasis is on trying.
Matara talking shit on it would counteract their efforts.

>>70153508
So true. Elira even got her nudes posted here.
>>70153503
Based Elira. I hope she contacts her mama again for an even sexier dragon model after Niji. Just how Matara managed to get KenkouCross to make a sexy roach for her. Cliquebros win again.

>>70150850
Because there are barely any 4views and they don't need to join any corpo at that point? Most of them aren't a good fit for Hololive anyway.
However Cover has managed to grab people who had hundreds of thousands of subscribers with video views going into millions. And these people grew a lot more after joining Hololive.

>>70153206
oh look the holofag got triggered again so much that the anon want me to kill myself wah wah. at the end of the day it does not change your a holofag that you are.
go to school to get proper education and come back to 4chan kid.

>>70153591
>Matara talking shit on it would counteract their efforts.
I wouldn't say so. Matara didn't even say anything new. Everybody who wasn't retarded already knew these things.

>>70153749
>whining and crying and pissing without a single argument, after getting btfo'd
Who's the kid again?

>>70153758
Many people were still unaware or in denial of how bad it really was and the comments reflect that.

>>70154130
>Late 2023
>In denial about how bad Niji's management is
How new are you?

>>70151241
Holilve is not most business. And Pomu's experience and resume is stacked for what Cover is looking for.
You'd have to be retarded to not see her going to them.

>>70151247
Of course she won't say that's her plan, that's stupid.
And a moral arc of the universe moment happened when NijiEN management and Elira sabotaged Pomu's metal gear collab. It then went to Mori, which means HoloEN now has perms to play Metal Gear games finally.

>>70154130
I guess. Still, the fact that they happily took part in elevator flirt shows there's no bad blood between them. Both parties consented to that with no possible third party pressuring them, they both consider each other friends. That's a fact and that's what matters for the conversation here.

>>70154183
While I do agree Hololive is looking more and more likely for her with each passing day and every remotely related tweet from Boss, I do think she hasn't fully decided yet and was honest in >>70151247
Doesn't matter, all we can do its wait and see how things develop.

>>70154180
I'm not talking about /here/ retard.

>>70154257
They were still on friendly terms at that point, no doubt about that. But it doesn't mean she was part of the clique.

>>70154257
NTA but that's reading too much into it. No point trying to determine someone's stance from some vague twitter convo, wait until they spell it out themselves.

>>70154438
Why else would she engage with them? Enna and Millie have been toxic waste long before that interaction already.
There's also the fact that Matara interacted with Kyo recently (remember, he was encouraging Nijisisters doxing Zaion) and still has Sayu blocked, preventing any communications between them.

>>70150067
Not a rrat, her PL was Kureya Pei. She expressed it was a black company.

>>70154578
You can be a friend of a clique member without belonging to the clique. You also have to keep in mind that she graduated way before this shit went down so maybe things went to shit without her knowledge.
And she has a good reason to block Sayu, even Sayu herself realizes that and apologized for it.

>>70153345
reading the last comment on finana made me laugh.

>>70153503
Brother vshojo already had the biggest clique in vtuber. Mouse pretty much the voice of vshojo. You aint gonna get pass that.

>>70154861
...or she can be in the clique, which is far more likely scenario that most people /here/ agreed upon long ago (and also it was recently confirmed by the Leaker)
Last paragraph in pic related.

>good reason to block Sayu
Oh please. Trying to appeal to morals could work if we were talking about someone else but not here. Not the fucking snake Matara.
You have to consider all of the context.
Sayu was during her subathon, long hours of streaming, tired and emotionally drained. She was alone and exhausted due to nijisanji's smear campaign going on for long months. She didn't have many people she could rely on, barely anyone would openly support her. She was talking about Nijisanji and to not sound like it was only her having issues with the company, she brought up example of Nina who was also told that she won't succeed outside of Niji. She didn't say anything else. Matara never planned keeping it a secret either, soon after joining vshojo she repeated the thing Sayu shared while also going into a lot more detail.
And yet she blocked Sayu, refusing to talk to her again, it's been more than half a year already. At the same time, Matara has absolutely no issues openly engaging with Enna and Millie, Elira's henchmen and Kyo, who was supporting Zaion doxers. Clique did far worse things than Sayu. Matara doesn't mind clique in the slightest even though they drove Selen to suicide attempts but is still mad at Sayu and refuses to give her a chance to reconcile? Face it. Matara has no morals. She doesn't give a slightest shit about other people, she only cares about herself and is happy being friends with evil people while banishing good people.

>And she has a good reason to block Sayu
She also had good reason to block the clique. Far better reason. But she didn't.

>>70154861
Last paragraph again, part in brackets.
>reminded me of Nina's treatment (before she unfortunately embraced it and fell in line)
Nina did join the clique.

>>70155321
Yeah that was my favorite part kek.

>>70155784
>most people /here/ agreed upon long ago
Ad populum.
>Last paragraph in pic related.
The last paragraph says she internalized her place in the hierarchy, which could just mean she didn't challenge the clique, which seems pretty standard in NijiEN.
She broke her trust regardless.
I do think it would be nice of her to forgive Sayu but I understand if she doesn't want to, to my knowledge they were not particularly close to begin with. Did Doki acknowledge Sayu yet?

>She also had good reason to block the clique. Far better reason. But she didn't.
I didn't see her interact with them since Selen got terminated. Maybe she did.

>>70153345
It's bullshit but I believe it

>>70155784
That’s kinda based ngl. But desu why would she even care about all these shit. She’s already won. Plus we don’t really know if she’s actually on good terms with the clique.

>>70151434
Because Hololivers actually get to do a lot of cool stuff besides being a streamer with a following, imagine Pomu not wanting to do 3d idol stuff

>>70156274
>The last paragraph says she internalized her place in the hierarchy, which could just mean she didn't challenge the clique, which seems pretty standard in NijiEN.
Nigger, do you really believe it? This is unhealthy coping. Internalizing her place in hierarchy means joining the clique. It's not possible to understand it any other way.

>She broke her trust regardless.
Yes but it was in good faith, in moment of weakness and deeply regretted afterwards. Sayu feels remorse for that mistake and wants to make up for it. She's a human and has flaws but is far better person than anyone from the clique.
Meanwhile other people were also breaking Matara's trust, in bad faith. And yet she's happy to be friends with evil people while refusing to give Sayu a chance. Double standards like that are undermining the argument you're pushing.

>I didn't see her interact with them since Selen got terminated. Maybe she did.
Are you even reading my posts? She keeps interacting with Kyo in last days, as I said multiple times. Or are you gonna now pretend Kyo wasn't part of the clique either?

>since Selen got termianted
Why are you suddenly pretending only this timeframe matters? She was bullied by clique in her early months in Nijisanji, we all know that. Why do they get a second chance but Sayu doesn't? Because she's happy with the clique. The moment they stopped bullying her she no longer had issues with their horrible actions.

>>70150105
It was obvious she wanted to take a break before she returned. She will return, she likes streaming too much.

Ah I see we're at the "Well niji bad cause a bunch of bitter fucks who left said they don't like it anymore" of the "drama".
You lost btw. Dokifat is blacklisted from corpos and the company is still going strong, but hey I'm sure False's next scoop will be THE ONE.
As for your cherrypicked examples, well we don't we actually tell the truth.
>Gibara
Wanted to be a seiyu, during her time with niji she was huge, niji made her rich, she failed in her ambitions and is now a sad husk.
>Chitose and Melissa
Both wanted to be singers, wanted more control over their music, that doesn't fly in a corpo, so they left so of course they had no future
>Mayuzumi
Who knows with him, he's just doing facecams now, very pretty dude and left all his stuff up so it couldn't have been that bad, sounds like more bitterness now that he's a failure outside of Niji.
>Lulu
This was due to wanting to build a case against her stalkers, she cant work, its affecting her=court case, its why roa lost her case, she released birthday merch and some voice packs, so clearly SHE wasn't affected since she could still work, fucked up but it is what it is.
>Chihiro
Bad example, 6 fucking years in the company, its only natural she wanted to do something else.
>KR
KR management issue, anycolor failed here in not reigning them in earlier.
>ID
Bunch of lazy fucks that had everything handed to them and still failed miserably to capture a market.
>EN bullied
Mysta was a faggot that wanted to be a react tuber and use his real face, Nina was a drunk menhera that hated the additional work, Yugo just wasn't ready(he's so much better now and admits as suck) and Zaion was a poor fit for a corpo world and fucked herself, as for Selen, just LMAO, imagine taking the word of a BPD lunatic at face value.

Its cute how you monkeys wanna use other livers now to support your claims, end of the day, most everyone that graduated or left is a failure and they're mad about it.

>>70156892
A slave can internalize his place in the system.
Doesn't mean he's suddenly part of the ruling caste.
>Yes but it was in good faith
That's up to Matara to decide, and if she wants to move on then that's fair imo.
>Or are you gonna now pretend Kyo wasn't part of the clique either?
I'm not convinced, no. I don't know much about him but I saw a thread that instantly accused him of bullying Scarle and it turned out it was Aster instead, which kind of makes me think some people just want to slander him. Also he likely put in his resignation even before the termination debacle so I do not believe he's just a rat who wanted to save his skin.

>>70157456
>Ah I see we're at the "Well niji bad cause a bunch of bitter fucks who left said they don't like it anymore" of the "drama".
>You lost btw. Dokifat is blacklisted from corpos and the company is still going strong, but hey I'm sure False's next scoop will be THE ONE.
>As for your cherrypicked examples, well we don't we actually tell the truth.
>>Gibara
>Wanted to be a seiyu, during her time with niji she was huge, niji made her rich, she failed in her ambitions and is now a sad husk.
>>Chitose and Melissa
>Both wanted to be singers, wanted more control over their music, that doesn't fly in a corpo, so they left so of course they had no future
>>Mayuzumi
>Who knows with him, he's just doing facecams now, very pretty dude and left all his stuff up so it couldn't have been that bad, sounds like more bitterness now that he's a failure outside of Niji.
>>Lulu
>This was due to wanting to build a case against her stalkers, she cant work, its affecting her=court case, its why roa lost her case, she released birthday merch and some voice packs, so clearly SHE wasn't affected since she could still work, fucked up but it is what it is.
>>Chihiro
>Bad example, 6 fucking years in the company, its only natural she wanted to do something else.
>>KR
>KR management issue, anycolor failed here in not reigning them in earlier.
>>ID
>Bunch of lazy fucks that had everything handed to them and still failed miserably to capture a market.
>>EN bullied
>Mysta was a faggot that wanted to be a react tuber and use his real face, Nina was a drunk menhera that hated the additional work, Yugo just wasn't ready(he's so much better now and admits as suck) and Zaion was a poor fit for a corpo world and fucked herself, as for Selen, just LMAO, imagine taking the word of a BPD lunatic at face value.
>
>Its cute how you monkeys wanna use other livers now to support your claims, end of the day, most everyone that graduated or left is a failure and they're mad about it.

>>70150681
I'm sure Kiara has confided enough to Pomu that she doesn't want to be in Holo.

>>70150105
She wasn't sure if she's going to reincarnate initially but now it's absolutely certain that she will reincarnate. She keeps slipping up and revealing how much she misses streaming. She's just weighing her options at the moment because she has many paths open to her.

>>70152629
It doesn't matter what Kiara says, the girls aren't introduced to the new gen until a month before debut. Gen 4 is nowhere near debuting anytime soon. Personally I don't see Pomu going to Holo but I just wanted to point that out.

>>70147636
Izumo Kasumi, maybe? Granted, her "story arc" was mostly complete at that point.

>>70147636
Oh yeah, I was about to say Ikasumi. I still think it's chuuni to graduate for lore reasons..

>>70157464
Holy shit an actual newfag. No wonder your takes are so fucking stupid. You have no idea what has been happening in Nijisanji and yet you're trying to talk as if your opinion mattered.

It's already been mentioned multiple times in this thread that Kyo has been supporting nijisisters who doxed Zaion - but I guess you're refusing to consider that because you're a retard who struggles with object permanence and will pretend that didn't happen just because you weren't there to see it.

>but I saw a thread that instantly accused him of bullying Scarle and it turned out it was Aster instead, which kind of makes me think some people just want to slander him
Because he was already long confirmed to be a humongous faggot by that point and it would be perfectly in character for him to do that - he already had history of bullying fellow Niji EN talents in the past. However anons were incorrect in that specific instance and indeed too hasty because Scarle leak was specified to be about someone who was outside of the clique, instantly disqualifying Kyo, who was known to be a part of clique.

>Also he likely put in his resignation even before the termination debacle so I do not believe he's just a rat who wanted to save his skin.
Yeah sure. Incredibly naive.
>termination debacle
Again, why are you focusing on this specific timeframe? Nijisanji EN has been in deep shit for a year already and Kyo was a part of countless yabs over the months. I guess you really are a tourist who showed up here few weeks ago and didn't bother doing any research on what happened before.

>>70150782
>No really Cover is going to release EN4 sometime this year for sure :^))
After finding out about the true reason for Grimmi's ungraduation, I am convinced EN4 is coming soon.

>>70157951
I just didn't give a shit about Nijisanji for the most part and especially not about some random male like Kyo.
Participating in drama threads with catalog retards who are extremely often presenting terrible arguments without any credibility or proof isn't something to be so proud of anon.
If you are trying to convince me of something then you aren't really a good job doing it.

>>70158328
This is bullshit and we all know it.

>>70157761
>>70157781
Fundamentally it always feels like there's a disconnect between the expectations people/talents have of Nijisanji(JP) and the reality. Even their initial explosion of popularity was always for stupid stuff (shift to Live2D, stupid stuff like Mito on the washing machine) and the damn thing keeps snowballing in ways that they always end up having to scramble to play catch-up (the whole debacle with SEEDS, the Sasaki stuff).

It feels like their ideal candidate is a part-time hobbyist Vtuber who wants to make a little more cash while doing this for just a couple years, maybe as a fun part-time gig while doing post-secondary education. But that disposable model somehow bottled enough lightning in early talents to completely change the shape of Vtubing.

>>70158418
So don't argue about him if you don't know him. I'm explaining things to you so gracefully accept what I'm saying or do research on your own if you don't believe me. But don't fucking talk back when you aren't qualified to participate in the discussion.

>isn't something to be so proud of anon
Talking shit about things you have no idea about is the number one thing you shouldn't be proud of and yet here you are. You just made it up in your head that Niji livers are good people and refuse to consider anything not fitting your narrative. There's no convincing a schizo like you. I give up. There's not enough space in this thread to list all the bad things that have been happening in Nijisanji EN over past year, many of which Kyo was a part of.

>>70158702
I only said I'm not convinced of the narrative that Kyo is in the clique based on what I saw so far.
Nothing more, maybe stop imagining things.
>and refuse to consider anything not fitting your narrative.
My only narrative is to be skeptical of rrats, which is always a prudent choice in my opinion.

>>70159259
Well you should see more. How he kept doing things that Zaion was terminated for but kept getting away unpunished or with mere slap on the wrist, same way as Enna or Finana did. Or how he tried to bully Zaion in a collab, she saw it as friendly banter and bantered back at him together with Doppio and Kyo was so butthurt about losing banter that he privated the VOD but then it was Zaion and Doppio who were punished and not Kyo. These kind of things confirm he's part of the clique. Zaion's suspension and following termination is when many people realized clique is absolutely real and not just speculation. That was more than a year ago already.
He's also the one who sicced 39iq on doki, as was leaked here before it actually happened.

>>70157456
>end of the day, most everyone that graduated or left is a failure and they're mad about it.
What about the people who were shitting on Nijisanji while they were still in the company? Mayuzumi was pretty explicit in saying they wanted to take way more control than he was comfortable giving, and if you really wanna argue it he knew going public would only lead to the enshittification of the company and he was 100% right. Chihiro came back immediately despite having those 6 years of being there, and the most lee-way out of anyone in the company by virtue of being first gen (case in point: Hajiki), and the fact that Chitose and Melissa even quit when there's multiple people and groups signed with labels is proof that wasn't the full story. Your entire post reads like some kind of retard who worships a company rather than cares about the people in it.

But speaking of monkeys, how do you think Salome feels about losing her gold play button to 'em?

>>70157456
Name 1 single person who said
>actually nijisanji-- i mean my previous workplace was good for me
I'll wait as long as it takes.

>>70155784
I think she never addressed who, the community just puzzled? it together and I think the guess work was good enough for Nina to react and tell on herself. I'm not sure what to do as a Momo myself. Wish it wasn't such a high school K-drama. Also Sayu apologized the moment the community puzzled it together. She should have hid under plausible deniability and pretend this whole ordeal was about someone else.

But she knows and sees it herself. Her own community has forgiven Sayu and is embracing her. On dc the most used reaction in announcements aside of a matara emotes is sayu's heart emote.

humans are complex and irrational creatures.

>>70149001
didn't know kamitsubaki rescued anyone from niji, guess I have a lot more music to listen to. Thanks for the info

>>70148942
kyos relations with the clique started deteriorating after he made enna apologize for kfc joke, which culminated in bullying him into apologizing for korea and joining the graduation queue.

>>70159742
Sayu named some people as far as I know (Finana if I remember correctly). Did she also name Kyo? That would convince me.

>>70150283
yeah im not surprised that selen wanted to an hero

>>70159259
He might have been until Enna dumped his ass. Then once that happened things got frosty for him.

Though my understanding is that part of his reason for graduating was that he hated his model.

>>70157456
>>Chihiro
>Bad example, 6 fucking years in the company, its only natural she wanted to do something else.
>literally does the exact same thing she was doing for 6 years but now indie
Huh? What?

>>70161017
Just finana and kotoka. And the nina thing talking about her insecurities which ended up souring their relationship.
Kyo shit might've been under NDA for all we know since any shit he did to her was either in private or on his RM account, so mentioning it would be a legal landmine.

>>70161017
Noticed something subtle when someone in chat hinted at kyo and the korea plastic surgery joke Sayu just rolled her eyes and sighted loud followed by a groan. I might be totally off given that there was plenty of things written in the chat, a few messages were really stupid and might have rubbed her the wrong way.

>Sayu pinned the fuck kyo comment
>Zaion during the crab game collab spoke very little with the others, mostly with Maria.
>Sayu: "Some very good people are still in that company, some I know are still my friends (most likely Maria and Doppio)
>Maria was skinwalked on her youtube to remove Zaion

>>70158328
Wasn't her ungraduation just a big meme to set up for a 3.0 model? Don't even think any company was a factor.

>>70147636
The fact that Gundou was fired over a fucking baseball joke lives rent free in my head. They could've suspended her for a week or two but nah

>>70160466
Wish I could agree with your assumption but unfortunately she did mention it was Nina after a while. Main clip which was circulating around /vt/ didn't have the namedrop iirc because people were more focused on Nijsanji being shit and didn't really care who Sayu talked about.
Honestly, Sayu is her worst enemy, she is too harsh on herself which gives ammunition to people who want to attack her. Half of things Sayu admitted as mistakes, I would never call as such (not talking about Nina situation but stuff from her One Girl's Story).

>On dc the most used reaction in announcements aside of a matara emotes is sayu's heart emote.
I'm happy to hear that. I wish we could just be kind to each other, good thing that communities are sticking together.

>>70161017
Sayu didn't name clique members, she just reacted to some of people who were slandering her after termination (Finana's gaslighting accusation and Kotoka's "can't wish her well"). IIRC she didn't even react to Hex' bullshit (but it was probably a good thing because that scumbag armchair therapist for depressed teen girls was painting himself as sexual assault victim which instantly won over twitter for him).

>>70160374
>anon isn't
>will wait till he drops dead
Stay strong anon!

>>70161988
She wasn't fired over a baseball joke.
She was fired because that was an easy out to fire someone who had been a thorn in managements side forever.

>>70162370
>>70161988
You're both wrong. She was fired by Elira. Riku Tazumi kneels to Elira.

>>70155784
Mata still operates like she sees herself as “part” of the clique, even if she’s just an orbiter. Once you internalize abuse it is tough to break away.

>>70161988
Do your JP reps retard. Gundou was the culmination of everything bad you might have heard about vshojo on this board. Lots of people were relieved when she was finally gone. That was one of rare justified Niji terminations. Fuck Kurosanji but Gundou wasn't some martyr, she was too shit even for Anycolor.

>>70158328
Tell those bitches to wipe their tears with the millions they’ve made.

>>70162791
>justified termination
She didn't commit any crimes, all she did was be a total loudmouth and make some people uncomfortable. If that's all it takes for a termination to be justified then I hope you're willing to agree Chaika should be kicked too.

>>70161988
Some Gundou mentions from before baseball joke. This board is too young and focused on Hololive to find a lot of data, go check /jp/ archives if you want to learn more, they are more knowledgeable about Niji JP than /vt/ will ever be. Or better yet, Japanese sites. Nijisanji JP was never popular in the West.

>>70151047
It 100% is. EN is on the rise again. Revenue is 40% up because of Advent while JP revenue dropped by 30%. Homo era is over with Omega kicked out.

>>70147636
the funny part is that not even the clique was on good terms with the company
the fact they became this toxic is the lack of support from anycolor
wait, sorry not became but "was allowed to be this toxic" cause we know damn well Enna would be toxic regardless

If they had a proper management Zaion would be in the company today

>>70162938
Chaika isn't retarded enough to piss off main sponsor of the company he works for.
Gundou has been a yab factory since forever but Niji JP is quite lenient so she was getting away with it. When her crass attitude was combined with incurring wrath of national sport's fans and endangering stocks of the company, she was canned and nobody missed her. If she wasn't such a piece of shit in all previous years, she could have survived the baseball yab with an apology.

>>70151047
Pomu, please wait to join HoloEN. Kiara loves you for real. Don’t jump the gun and join VShojo, they don’t actually care about you. Matara gets commission on how many people she can poach.

>>70158328
Any clips/screenshots of her saying that instead of pointless larp?

>>70163306
>Chaika isn't retarded enough to piss off main sponsor of the company he works for.
Meanwhile, Lauren did that with J League and... what happened to him again? Oh, yeah, fucking nothing. To say nothing of his other things that caused flak for the company.
I'm not saying Chaika should be kicked, I'm saying you're fucking retarded for acting like she wasn't hated by upper management when in reality that was all it took. Her problems are shared with multiple other people who got off scott-free.

>>70163844
Oh, I'm not saying she wasn't hated. I'm saying the hate was justified and it's retarded to pretend as if she was only fired because of mere joke. She was fired because she kept stirring shit for years and finally gave good enough pretext to get rid of her.
As for other scum like Lauren still being in the company... that's unfortunate but Kurosanji is Kurosanji.

>>70150500
Nobody Western would leave one JP corpo just to join another.
Hololive might be better, but it still has a lot of the same problems.

>>70163197
Not only would Zaion still be around if they had proper management, Pomu and Selen would still be there too. Maybe even same with Yugo, assuming that Anycolor was more lenient with their musical career. NijiEN currently is their own worst enemy.

>>70164434
You faggots keep saying this but it's completely baseless.

>>70164434
I have no idea what options she's wagering, but you don't speak for her anon.

>>70164553
>>70164666
>don't own anything you do
>permissions bullshit
>controlled behavior/content
>compelled content
The only reason Holofags ever give for why someone would join their company is "more money more numbers" but if they're already successful, if they're already doing well enough to do this full-time, that simply isn't a good enough reason to outweigh the negatives.

>>70163074
I don't understand this take. Is being a scammer better than being a call girl to them?

>>70147636
(Citations needed)

>>70165204
You got any for us? A single one? The closest thing would be Kyo, and he's likely the biggest snake there was, but even he didn't shy from throwing shade at the end.

>>70164986
None of that matters. When you're in Hololive you're set for life.
Permissions in Hololive are better than in Nijisanji and it will only keep getting better as Nijisanji continues to lose relevance while Cover gains it.

Controlled behavior/content is a GOOD thing. It prevents yabs and laziness. Viewers don't want average whore with anime avatar putting in minimal effort. They want a skilled entertainer. That's why Hololive gets better numbers. It provides better content. It motivates the talents to keep improving. All JP talents and the passionate EN talents agree that Hololive made them even better as people.

>The only reason Holofags ever give for why someone would join their company is "more money more numbers"
No, that's just the basic facts which are easy to process. Hololive also gives better environment, especially to those who share ideals with the company - and Pomu absolutely does as an otaku of M&A and idols. You won't find a better place than Hololive for idol concerts or collaborations with big companies.

>>70165204
>>70149252

>>70165929
>When you're in Hololive you're set for life.
>MONEY NUMBERS MONEY
You know it's not always about that, right?
>Permissions are better
They're still bullshit
>Controlled behavior/content is GOOD
Not for the streamer. Pomu spent years constantly being told no. Do you really think she'll subject herself to someone else's control again?
>It prevents yabs
No, it makes yabs significantly worse when they do happen
>and laziness
We both know this ain't true

>>70165929
>When you're in Hololive you're set for life.
The company hasn't existed long enough for that to be proven. As for permissions and expecting niji to die out, that's just wishful thinking.

>>70165929
>Controlled behavior/content is a GOOD thing. It prevents yabs and laziness.
>It prevents yabs and laziness.
>It prevents laziness.
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>>70166305
I don't know Pomu. You don't know Pomu. You can think you know her from her professional content but without insider knowledge we're all in the dark as to what she's thinking right now in terms of options or priorities until she confirms anything.
That said, Hololive would still be better than Niji, but I really wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't choose a corpo.

>>70166305
You're wrong in your base assumptions, which leads to you focusing on irrelevant garbage and ignoring important factors. You hate JP corpos and project your uneducated opinions on Pomu, without knowing shit about her.
Pomu didn't mind "corporate bullshit". What she minded was lack of support. That's why she left Nijisanji. She doesn't hate corpos. She hates bad corpos which don't care about ambitions of their employees. Hololive would be perfect for her.

>>70166399
It already is proven. Holo talents can buy houses and spend lots of money on their projects no problem. This hobby isn't going away anytime soon, they will keep making big money.
Niji is dying out. Slowly but almost surely. They keep losing talents with nobody of value joining to replace them. So many of their pillars have been leaving the company in last two years. They're losing their biggest event Koshien, they are losing exclusive fighting game deals to Hololive, their tech which was impressive few years ago isn't improving and was left in the dust by competition with no signs of hope... It's not wishful thinking, it's analysis of facts.

>>70167158
>focusing on irrelevant garbage and ignoring important factors
Yeah you're right, creative control is pretty meaningless huh...

>She doesn't hate corpos. She hates bad corpos
I'm not saying she wouldn't join a company.
I'm saying it's unlikely she would join another Japanese one.

Let's just look at her biggest issue in Niji. The 3D model.
She really wanted to do 3D stuff. Now say she's joining Hololive. Not only is she going to have to wait until EN4 which isn't happening anytime soon, but after debut she'd have to wait how long for a 3D model?
Meanwhile as an indie or under VShojo, she could commission one pre-debut and have it finished with a handful of months.
She wouldn't need permission to use it, she wouldn't have to wait for some big event to get one or wait in line for studio access. Not just the 3D, but everything she wants would be entirely up to her.

You and every other Holofag on this board vastly underestimates the value of creative control and independence.
When you already have an audience, the long-term gain from that freedom VASTLY outweighs the superficial benefits of working for a big company.

>>70150500
All out war lol

>>70167791
>Not only is she going to have to wait until EN4 which isn't happening anytime soon
It's happening this year 90%. Jap outright stated he's all for CGDCT and EN talents are more hopeful than they were in dark times of 2022 and early 2023. She would have the 3D before 2025 ends for sure. I'd bet on summer 2025. Cover is finally getting smarter about their 3D usage after few years of retarded fumbling around.

You're right that she could get the 3D faster under vshojo or as an indie but it would also cost a lot of money and well... she doesn't exactly have many people she could perform with in such case. But I can see her willing to put up the money for 3D anyway, yes.

>creative control
Coco was far more creative than kson is. Absolute freedom isn't as good as it might appear. Limitations are what truly sparks creativity. Remember what Pomu was doing, she's really creative and pulled off many amazing things back at Nijisanji EN, problems only started when she was getting outright denied.

>>70168445
>It's happening this year 90%
Holy cope
>She would have the 3D before 2025 ends for sure. I'd bet on summer 2025.
Do you have any idea how ridiculous that is
>Coco was far more creative than kson is
She's literally doing the exact same shit, and 90% of Holo talents do the exact same shit as every other vtuber out there

>>70167158
>They're losing their biggest event Koshien
That's how I know your opinion doesn't matter: you're an EOP. Koshien is not an exclusive event they created anon, and Tenkaiji's own event is just him doing a fun return to form because he wanted to do it again after years. Any company or group can host a Koshien.

>>70157456
yep, it's pagpag time

I don't think anyone but Sana has left the big 2 on good terms
>but Coco
Nigga really?

>>70150500
>>70151047
>>70163342
100% Pomu is in Japan right now learning the language better to be that much more juicy as a new Holo recruit.

>>70169986
>implying
She's learning Japanese so that she can talk to her idol oshis better

>>70168955
Retard.
I know Koshien wasn't created by Nijisanji, never claimed it was so you can fuck off with your schizo strawmen. However it is a fact Koshien was theirs for several years. This year it's no longer the case.

>>70169497
Didn't she just stop because of burnout or whatever?

>>70168711
Ridiculous? I think 3D turn around time has gotten significantly faster for EN. Please keep in mind how fucking retarded Japan was about COVID for more than a year after everywhere else opened up. I predict Advent will get 3D a couple months after Holofes.

>>70169497
To be fair nobody except Sana has left Hololive willingly. There's a reason nobody wants to leave Hololive while people keep dropping out of Nijisanji only to resurface soon after.

>>70170497
That's still obscenely slow, especially for a company as big as Hololive, especially if any of Advent are sitting around specifically waiting for the ability to do XYZ 3D stuff

>>70168711
>Holy cope
Do your reps retard, writing is on the wall.

>Do you have any idea how ridiculous that is
It's not ridiculous at all. It's an educated guess based on carefully watching 3D developments at Cover.

>She's literally doing the exact same shit
Wrong.

>and 90% of Holo talents do the exact same shit as every other vtuber out there
Also wrong.

>>70170497
I hope so but they'll probably be retarded about "seniority" and do Tempus 2 first

>>70170604
How is it slow? It would be less than a year since debut. That's pretty fast.

>>70170646
>It's not ridiculous at all. It's an educated guess
Not your guess, the amount of time.

>>70170717
Except for Nene's being delayed because of her remodel JP has mostly gotten 3D about 6 months after debut, that should be the benchmark

>>70170717
>That's pretty fast.
Anon, your frame of reference...

>>70170718
I guess it appears very distant right now but it really isn't. It's expected for 3D to take a year or so for many chuubas. Sometimes it can happen faster, other times it can be much slower (looking at you, Nijisanji). Holo EN4 would happen in late summer at earliest, more likely fall this year, I'd bet on September-October. Counting from that point, it's not that long. Like look at pic related, it's already more than half a year since Advent showed up but it feels like yesterday.

>>70170848
Perception of time gets weird for ojisans, I suppose...

>>70152790
Nina was, at most, an outsider who quickly realized what was up and became an orbiter for the sake of having a functioning career. She’s not holding grudges over her early treatment by the clique, but she’s not going to stick her neck out for them when they’re going full retard either. Also, she really didn’t interact much with Selen when she was there, better to tell an awkward truth than lie about it in this case, would be backfiring now if she did that.

>>70170808
Well JPs are living right next to the studio, it's easier to arrange it for them, they're guaranteed to be available at any time Cover wants. With foreign talents there's a lot of other bullshit to take into account like visas.

>>70156112
That’s not joining, that’s keeping your head down so you don’t end up like the tall poppies.

>>70154183
The bigger question is what can Pomu bring to the table. Because Hololive doesn't care if you were a 2view or had a million subs. Being an idol autist is nice and all, but I don't really see people praising her singing or dancing to really inspire confidence in her joining Hololive. Berylschizo did a better job at convincing me that she was Hololive material

>>70147636
>Chitose and Melissa both said they had no future there,
Chitose genuinely want to be singer. She only there to build connections and reputation. She doesn't like streaming after all. When a record label gave an offer, she quickly grab it.

>>70168445
>Coco was far more creative than kson is. Absolute freedom isn't as good as it might appear. Limitations are what truly sparks creativity. Remember what Pomu was doing, she's really creative and pulled off many amazing things back at Nijisanji EN, problems only started when she was getting outright denied.
that's pure bullshit, you have 40+ talents with rules up to their necks and none of them are creative.
explain that retard

>>70171866
Pomu's preferred type of content falls in line with Hololive ideals very well. I'd dare to say more, what she offers is what Hololive actively wants but has been somewhat lacking so far in EN. Minecraft arcs have been some of the best storylines on JP side, got a lot of mileage in ID as well but didn't really pop off to similar extent in EN. Pomu could change that. Remember that she was main cause of Nijisanji EN being so into Minecraft, she could revitalize the game in Holo EN too. While I doubt she would be able to rope in FuwaMoco who are way too busy with 1000 other things to dedicate themselves to this timesink and don't seem eager enough to learn the game, I could definitely see Pomu being a match for Biboo that isn't just Kaela, convincing Nerissa to give it another shot while teaching her about what makes the game so much fun (she does have a knack for these types of games, it just seems like she stuck to the other ones so far and didn't hear good enough arguments to give closer look to MC yet) or revitalizing Kronii's passion for it to name a few possible interactions.
Other part is her passion for idols which is simply unmatched and definitely a desirable factor for Hololive talent. Nobody else in EN sphere has managed to inspire their fans to perform wotagei. Only Pomu. Fuwawa and especially Mococo might have more intricate knowledge due to following the scene longer but the twins are quite reserved in revealing their powerlevel, only letting out hints here and there. Pomu could enable them to open up, unleashing what their fans have been awaiting. Just imagine them gushing out about their oshis and what makes underground idols so perfect, even if it's a niche subject, the girls having fun together would be infectious to the viewers too.
Pomu herself hasn't really shown great effort in learning choreography yet (afaik, correct me if I'm wrong) but that could very well be due to environment in Nijisanji which simply didn't offer the possibility of ever making use of such skills. We know she's good friends with Kiara who has been the most into actually performing idol activities on EN side so I'm pretty sure pomu would gladly join her in those endeavours.
Closing thoughts, we know that Pomu is in Japan right now, studying language and interacting with her idol oshis. She's doing her reps in two very important aspects. I believe it's both part personal fun and part preparation for future.

So, where is Azuchi Momo?

>>70170437
>However it is a fact Koshien was theirs for several years. This year it's no longer the case.
It was literally never "theirs" at any point, the first one was just Shiina Maimoto Subaru and Tenkaiji fucking around, and anyone can host a Koshien.

>>70173103
My bad, it was Makea/Shiina/Subaru/Tenkaiji with Maimoto on commentary. Regardless anon's still a fucking retard.

>>70173103
My bad, it was Makea/Shiina/Subaru/Maimoto with Tenkaiji (not Maimoto, can't believe I fucked up reading that hard) on commentary. Regardless anon's still a fucking retard.

>>70173103
>>70173307
Except Koshien has been the only time where they were regularly getting high viewerships. It's very important for Nijisanji.

>>70173500
Of course it's important, but once again, it was never theirs. Anyone can host one at any time. I do not know where the confusion in this statement is.
The only thing exclusive to Nijisanji was the rewards of getting a character/song into a game, but any company could theoretically negotiate that and I don't believe that's a reward in Tenkaiji's tourney. Maybe he announced something like that and I missed it, but I severely doubt it.

>>70165204
>retard does not read the thread

>>70172160
>Pomu herself hasn't really shown great effort in learning choreography yet (afaik, correct me if I'm wrong)
You are so immensely wrong that I cannot believe you decided to write up a whole fucking essay about someone you didn't even watch the 3D streams of.

I like how incredibly toxic this place become with massive rrats and menhera nijisis.
My two cents on the matter is that if you want to know how toxic a place is, always look at the turnover. Niji debuts line after line and bleeds faster and faster.
It’s major crisis is not even a rival company, it’s 2 ex livers that even normies have sided with by now. Rosemi does a stream with major AAA game, creator retweets, and # are being memed even on fucking Reddit.
It’s literally self destructing as all problems keep coming from the inside and nowhere else. That’s all the red flags of toxicity, rrats or not.

>>70174590
Hen隊 here, now that your oshi has be marked by drama, you'll need to get used to people straight up making shit up.

>>70147758
Pomu opened up her members so pomies would instantly show everyone the membership where she cried about management

Another one to add to the list

>>70167907
The funny thing about council is that they got fucked with by YouTube early and got blown out of the algorithm because of it. YouTube just kept on purging subs at the time. They flagged people like me subbing to multiple people at the same time and unsubbed for us. They also made view counts artificially low, as in vote counts for polls were higher than view count. Pretty sure YouTube cut that shit out but the damage was done and they never recovered in ways other than CCV.

>>70157456
you don't hear as much ex-drama from competent agencies nor have their retarded 39 IQ minions crawling out of the woodwork consistently.

Hell even ex-holos think niji is way shittier and are appalled whenever they hear how shitty things are (kson 2%, aloe summoning the nijisister horde, need i go on?)

imagine that

>>70175718
I'm more confused why this shits happening in this thread, Pomu's got basically nothing to really do with anything as she hasn't really said jack shit about her time in Kurosanji beyond feeling bad everything shook out this way.

>>70151047
HoloEU soon bro

>>70179665
I know you don't watch streams but you could be a little less obvious, buddy.

>>70176066
They really are hurting people left and right with their operating practices huh

>>70180824
What fucking streams? She's avoided the topic of Kurosanji on basically every level in her twitcasts, her mentions in other peoples streams are mostly just hanging out, and on her own twitter she's said very little beyond "hey it's me" less explicitly than Selen. Pretty much everything else is about stuff she's doing now or going forward.

>>70158328
>so many of their talents never stream
So like 10 out of what, 60?

>>70183999
She literally cried on stream about their shit fucking management. Do you reps retard.

>>70174590
Are you trying to imply she puts as much focus on choreography as Bae or Kiara? Because I don't remember her constantly talking about dancing lessons.

>>70174590
>spergs out about people supposedly not watching streams
>>70179665
>>70183999
>turns out to not watch streams himself
Classic larper. No arguments, just fake outburst.

>>70184033
I think it was about Holo EN where you have Gura and Ame not streaming. So like 2 out of 15. Maybe add Ina, Kroni, Mumei if you're generous, that would be 5 out of 15.
Still, it has to be some shitty fake.

>>70150283
Of all things she had to be, she had to be an roach. She could've had a similarly hot model to what she had before. fuck.

>>70184662
Because Anycolor doesn't pay for dance lessons, so she learned on her own.
Plus she wasn't able to use her 3D model for almost the entirety of 2023.

>>70184355
>She literally cried on stream about their shit fucking management.
>beyond feeling bad everything shook out this way.
Read, retard. Should I have used the word "horrible" instead?

>>70158328
Nobody believe this you retard, after she deleted any mention of nijisanji in her stream.

>>70183999
This one, for starters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67DAc2egFmw

>>70186866
Yeah I remember this arc well. I always hoped she would finally get to show it off on stage, what a sad ending. But maybe there will be a chance to put it to good use in the future.

>>70186866
Thanks.
But yeah that's the thing, she never received support from the company, Kurosanji fucking sucks. She deserves to be appreciated and treasured. I wish her only the best. Hololive would be able to cover for any area where Niji was lacking.

tl;dr not a single niji had anything good to say about them

>>70192069
what else is new

>>70147636
You can add Pomu to the list by the way. Niji is withholding her final paycheck, including the $50k from her graduation stream

>>70192462
Fucking what?

>>70192462
Eh, I don't think this one has much teeth. It's been about a month since she graduated, and they tend to pay 1-2 months out.

>>70192462
Nah, Youtube itself doesn't pay out for the previous month (January) until the 3rd week of the next month (February), and then Anycolor pays out on the 1st of the month (March)
https://support.google.com/adsense/answer/7164703

>>70149784
It's the runt of Phase Connect's first gen, that other anon is just shitposting.
>>70149343
kys, buy an ad etc.

>>70148854
So you're saying Vox was right and quiting was always an option.

>>70193512
She's happier in Phase now than she ever was in Yumenographia. Do a flip with a noose around your neck, niggerfaggot.

>>70193821
She had been sitting in queue for almost a year faggot

>>70171972
>Not refute the coco/kson point
>Deflecting
Kek

>>70192648
check twitter

>>70184951
I was being generous about 10 too, you have Gura, Ame, Ayame, Shion, La+ and who else? Maybe Lamy and Reine? But I don't watch JP or ID, so I don't know if they actually don't stream, I'm just basing that on my exposure to them.

>>70195833
I refute you, kson has no need to ¨be creative¨ now, she already did her thing in her previous life and left her permanent mark on vtubing screwing up her health in the process.
right now she does vtubing/streams because she really likes it and enjoys it not because it's a job, you can hear it for yourself from the interview with koefficient.
now answer my question

>>70192462
>>70195962
What are you on about nigger? There's nothing on her twitter that would be suggesting your claims. Are you an indog? You sure sound like one.

>>70147636
YO WTF THIS IS KAKURE AREA'S ARTSTYLE
Did that guy actually make a Pomu series?

>>70198357
>I refute you, kson has no need to ¨be creative¨ now
Yes, because she's in vshojo. Company which doesn't value creativity. Unlike Hololive. Thanks for proving the original point. kson is less creative than Coco was. It's a fact.

>>70200381
What creative things have holos done recently

>>70200456
Have you seen Shiori?

>>70201068
no

>>70202209
Most people haven't, sadly. She's cool.

>>70167907
Mysta depression posting in the discord ignoring everything will never not be funny to me.

>>70198357
Get Ninja by another anon but yes shiori

>>70150850
Why would hololive need to do that? They could pick up some random homeless girl on the street for EN4 and she will most likely have higher avg ccv than an entire gen/wave of nijien combined.

>>70154438
nigger, even jews like asmongold are talking about it. Every dramanigger in the normiesphere has talked about it.

>>70205327
>random homeless girl from the streets
seems like a good and interesting fit, as long as the homelessness isn't drug related, tbhfamalam

>>70150850

>>70200381
>Not refute 39+ talents
>Deflecting
kek

>>70200381
>shiori
who?

>>70147636
no

>>70151268
Ruby...

>>70165929
>The most important thing is that you make a lot of money so who cares if you're treated like a micromanaged puppet
Pomu has more ambitions than "being set for life", holoincel

>>70153526
You mean besides becoming a 5view millionaire? I'm sure that's not worth giving up the ability to stream some fotm game.

>Pomu's final call in stream
>Elira being so friendly and wholesome
This aged poorly.

>>70152539
>What's stopping you?
>Oh I don't know

>>70200381
>doesn't value creativity. Unlike Hololive
Lol, that's why they canned asacoco, Kanata's project, tried to erase hachama's arc and killed amelia's motivation.
You guys only remember what suits you right?

>>70220519
>2020
Not the gotcha you think it is

>>70150105
You are retarded if you think any vtuber would prefer to go back to wage slaving rather than just stream playing games all day and getting free money.

>>70148016
also her doublefacing in her alt, i doubt rules count for this one since shes the one talking about talents on her alt and saying shes a niji herself

>>70150500
>There's people already sending daily emails to Holo recruiters advicing and showing evidence to why NOT even interact with any ex Niji.
Good luck with that. KEK

>>70220950
Is it confirmed her?

>>70220708
>do..doo... does not count
Ogey

>>70150850
Kson are 4 views even before joining Hololive.

T. Oldfag from NND and Mildom era

>>70221188
>implying viewers sending emails would ever change any member of hololives staffs opinions on recruitment processes
If that were the case Holostars would just be gen 1.

>>70149426
Damn Enna I didn’t think you’d work overtime

>>70186866
Umop my beloved.

>>70147636
Wait a minute, that smile... cuckoldry is afoot.

>>70208601
Wrong retard. It was you deflecting. Because you are a coward who couldn't even admit kson is less creative so you deflected to Hololive.
As for creativity in Hololive... Watch streams. If you think they don't do anything creative it just means you don't watch streams. Even if I list you what they do, you won't accept it because you don't know about it. You're just a small shitposter. Fuck off.

>>70220519
>they cancelled some projects 4 years ago
>that means they NEVER EVER did any projects
Logic isn't your strong suit, eh?

>>70230782
>rules make you creative
>but no one is creative in spite of our rules
>surely there is something creative, just watch streams that I don't watch even though they are creative (I think)
>piss yourself*
>flush and repeat
well what a waste of time, for a moment I thought you knew what you were talking about but you just parrot what others say, desperate to fit in? newfag.

>>70232503
(You)

>>70234055
you could not give any counterargument.
I accept your concession

But for real though Hololive is not creative. The idea that more rules make them more creative is a joke. The initial idea of Hololive, a vtuber idol group, was pretty creative 6 years ago, but there are loads of vtuber idols now. Asacoco was creative, but Hololive made rules to stop anyone from making anything similar. Holos reported the strict rule changes in January 2021. Since then, where is the creativity? There is none. Since then Hololive has been just standard vtuber content. Gaming, zatsus, karaoke, occasional 3D concerts. The same as any other vtuber.

If you like Hololive vtuber's streams more, that's fine. But to put down other vtubers who make the same standard vtuber content while arguing "muh rules make them creative" when the complete opposite is true is very retarded and illogical, an idea from a purely tribal brain with no thought behind it.