/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>70106573
Nah, this orange is

lol

sure

>>70107563
>>70108226
Who do you propose? Cause it ain't Ame, Ina, or Gura.

Kiryu Coco and Haachama

>>70108518
based holo meth enjoyer

>>70106573
no fucking SHOT she said this

She's the die-senpai

>>70106573
>Mori
>seriously calling herself the daisenpai of EN
I haven't watched her for 2 years and even I know that's bullshit

>>70108666
cute !

>>70108329
what happened to the "no senpai/kouhai thing"?

>>70108722
>I haven't watched her for 2 years and even I know that's bullshit
You haven't had brain activity in 2 years either if you're objecting to the first EN to debut being called "Daisenpai" tbqh

>>70109076
They're finally starting to adapt to japanese work culture, hopefully more streams are next

>>70106573
I mean the competition is people who don't stream or give a shit, so yeah by default I guess

>>70108666
Cute

>>70106573
a real daisenpai wouldn't call herself that

>>70106573
>deadbeat clipper
I'm not surprised this was made by a deadbeat.

>>70106573
Look deadbeats, you have a whole zone to live in! So fuck off from /vt/

>>70106573
I think en4 is there, just under training

>>70109076
Mori is japanese

>>70108518
clipwatcher

>>70109456
The first to debut for the branch doesn't have the same weight as being the first of Hololive like Sora.
Miyabi as the often jokingly referred to "ancestor" of Holostars has more weight behind him the daisenpai of all Stars members than the first member of HoloEN/ID would.

Lets also be honest if she wasent a total introvert everyone would follow Gura to the gates of Hell and come out with the key to run the place from Riku

>>70108722
Almost every EN VTuber oshis her.

>>70112621
that's just a grim statement on the absolute state of EN vtubing, of course everyone will try to garner brownie points with the town bicycle for a chance at holo clout

>>70106573
exucuse me

>>70112749
Stop seething dude, it's not that serious lol

Mori is the daisenpai of EN but only because I don't wish for Haachama to be disgraced with that title, and reddit dragon couldn't be due to her mandated distance from the branch

Mori is the daisenpai of trying to shift hololive culture and failing miserably (like with her former career)

>>70106573
Mori is a fat cow

>Gura and Ame basically ignore everyone and barely stream
>Ina occasionally does stuff
>Kiara does like 1 collab and then will endlessly wait for the other person to reach out
>Mori actually reaches out to each new gen and constantly invites them to either collabs or open VC
It's unfortunate but this is just how things are.

>>70114430
it's very fortunate
someone that initially didn't mesh learning to love Holo and stepping up is a good story arc that'll inspire future girls

>clipfag thread

is the brapper huffing her own farts again?
who the fuck does she think she is saying that shit?

>>70114430
Yeah it's sad mori is so desperate to stay relevant she keeps latching on to every new thing.

>>70109076
Ina always said stuff about how she thinks things are. You shouldn't take anything she said as a generality.
Remember when she said HoloEN weren't idols, because she knew her hikki body couldn't dance for shit? Then HoloFes + Connect the World happened

>>70114956
Going from hikki neet to the biggest idol in myth was a really beautiful arc

>>70114430
Gura is much more of a "daisenpai" than Mori is, as a has-been who's more of a mascot than a streamer by now, largely isolated from her peers and unable to have a normal person-to-person interraction with people outside of her branch due to her reputation.

>>70110280
>Everyone obsesses over what Mori is doing/isn't doing/could be doing, either praising it or trying to shit on her for it
My n-word, /vt/ IS the Bone Zone

>>70106573
Mori is the only one in Myth who takes this role seriously. And she is the leader of Myth on top of that. So yes, Mori is the daisenpai of HoloEN whether you like it or not.

If anyone asks why everyone hates deadcucks show them this thread

>>70115405
Nigger.

>>70114852
its been 7 months since avent debuted

>>70115405
self-censoring faggot

>>70112479
Gura is pretty much the shining example of all talent no hardwork.

Lot of potential for sure, but never got the motivation, dedicaton/any sense of duty. I mean it makes sense for her to be like that considering her life and all of her success was pretty much handed to her, I feel like it would have been SO different if she actually got the kick to the butt anywhere in her life or if she started more at a low position and climbed up

>>70107563
>>70108226
It literally is and I’m not even a deadbeat. Kiara is the only other one that possibly has an arguement.

>>70115437
>leader of Myth
myth is a bunch of ragtag solo performers, no one leads anyone in myth ever since ame didnt want to fill the lore roll anymore and stepped down from doing big myth collabs
kiara tried to fill that roll but failed miserably as always
Ina and Gura are coasting and collab with JP members more often than EN
Mori is trying to cling onto any sort of relevance she still has without dumping out more music for whatever reason so she says stupid shit like "am daisenpai" for the controversial clicks and rubberneckers who click on clickbait. fuck mori

>>70112479
To be totally honest Gura is the type of person that makes me seethe. Like the person in school who never studied for tests but still ended up with the best grade.

>>70106573
>deadbeat
Opinion discarded

>>70115143
>Gura is much more of a "daisenpai" than Mori is
stopped right there. no, just no lol. I don’t even need to read the rest of what you wrote.

>>70116358
Mori this is not your safe space. Go seethe somewhere else

>>70116440
I’m not Mori. I wish I had about half of her workaholic nature though. Could use it.

>>70114430
>>Gura and Ame basically ignore everyone and barely stream
>>Ina occasionally does stuff
>>Kiara does like 1 collab and then will endlessly wait for the other person to reach out
>>Mori actually reaches out to each new gen and constantly invites them to either collabs or open VC
I get don't why guys are turning this into a pseudo-dick measuring contest about who does what, when the significance of "Daisenpai" is just who debuted first
Nobody ever tries to argue that Sora *isn't* the Daisenpai of Holo because she collabs more with Iofi then she does some JPs or some retarded angle like that

Tell me what big vtubers don’t have lots of good clippers? You rodents

She's right

>>70106573
BASED

>>70106794
The daisenpai of /vt/

The only people that can even have the title of daisenpai is Sora and Miyabi for being the first of Hololive and Holostars respectively.

>>70108722
Early Myth had to figure out how much they should adapt from JP and how much they’d have to approach different due to the west being a different audience. Turns out the Hololive model doesn’t need much change to work overseas.

>>70116685
Being the "daisenpai" takes more than just being the first to debut, you need acknowledgement from the other talents and the fanbase as a whole.
Sora and Mito constantly get propped up as the daisenpai by their respective colleagues - which in turn makes their fanbases see them that way too. Mori will never get the same recognition because the rest of Myth see and treat her as an equal.

>>70116598
What about her alcoholic and overweight nature?

>>70118979
What about you, a mistake of nature?

>>70119278
You could say I'm a freak of nature with my physical capabilities

>>70114430
Didn't Kiara reach out to all of advent and technically got the first collab with all of them? Kiara is more or less debuffed by shitty Euro (fuck your continent) hours so she gets less chances for one on ones.

>>70118979
What about it?

holoEN 0

wigger is pathetic and delusional

>>70106573
She is, isn't she? Can't really rely on the others.

>>70114809
>brapper
where did this even come from

>>70120484
le hecking reddit dragonerino wholesome chungus 100!!!

>>70120666
Forced meme born from an anon making silly fart SFX edit on the BGM of one her streams like 4 years ago and her antis have decided to turn talking about her farts into a rallying cry for some reason

>>70120602
Rely on what? That she'll leech as many numbers as possible from anything popular on her channel?

>Streams for like a year with scuffed lazy streams with technical issues every other stream
>Mori says she could teach a class about streaming in some interview
>Says she's like the Daisenpai of HoloEN
>Mori still knows nothing about Vtubers in general

Shiori and Gura probably rolling in agony on their moldy carpet floors right now.

>>70120990
oh so an identical origin story as the horse thing?

Sorry to break it to you, but she is.

Sora debut was on
>September 7, 2017
Myth debut was on
>September 12, 2020
Thats a difference of 1115 days.
Advent debut was on
>July 20, 2023
Thats 1052 days since Myth debut.
Myth was basically as old as Sora was for them when Advent were added.

>>70121119
Basically yeah
A funny meme that's arguably just fetish fuel, being turned into a "weapon" by very retarded people who dislike her

lol Mori. You are not better than Gura.

>>70108666
tits

>>70120484
HoloMeth is shubareal

>>70119832
kek

>>70120484

>>70121251
The fact she actually gives a shit makes her better by default

We will we will FAQ!

>>70121146
Sora is the daisenpai of hololive, because she was instrumental in the origin of hololive and she acts respectful of that role. Mori mostly just rode on the coattails of Gura's popularity and she has acted like a retard a lot of the time. I don't think she's worthy of that title

>>70108518
EN0 my beloved...

>>70121913
>Mori mostly just rode on the coattails of Gura's popularity
What a retarded statement to make as if her debut song didn't put a shit ton of eyes on EN or as if dozens of indies who cite her as being an cite being an inspiration

>>70122133
Mori has done music for a long time. Her songs got boosted by the initial hype of myth which was mostly fueled by gura. Most vtubers are women and mori appeals more to women than other members of myth. Most vtubers have shit taste anyway

>>70112621
t.Mori

If Mori were real daisenpai she wouldn't be saying it herself. Infact, Sora and Miyabi actively try to deny it.

>>70121913
>Mori mostly just rode on the coattails of Gura's popularity
You literally have to be retarded right? Aside from Suisei, Mori is arguably the most successful talent to ever come out of Hololive. You can hate her all you want, but you cant disagree with her insane popularity and success.

>>70122531
At this point Miyabi kinda gave up, the rest affectionately calls him "Ancestor" and he just rolls with it.

>>70122788
>Mori is arguably the most successful talent out of Hololive
And you base this on...?

>>70122406
>Her songs got boosted by the initial hype of myth which was mostly fueled by gura
What you're saying literally doesn't even make sense, since her first song was already nearing a million views hours before Gura even debuted
You're also trying trying to off-load all of the hype for Myth solely on Gura, which is frankly just ahistorical nonsense and a slap to the faces of all other 4 members

>>70113127
>jpnigs
>not seething
You'll have better luck convincing the sun to set in the west

>>70113127
>jpnigs
>not seething
You'll have better luck convincing the sun not to set in the west

>>70122889
Okay, so you are retarded.

>>70123089
NTA you just made an outrageous statement by stating Mori is the most successful talent out of entire hololive, not just hololive EN. Besides Suisei. So I'm asking what you base that assessment on?

just because she is, by far, the oldest?

>>70106573
>check channel name
KEK

>>70106573
Daisenpai only makes sense for talents who have debuted on their own, like Sora. To call people who are part of a gen like Elira and Mori is a sign of arrogance

>>70123230
>just made an outrageous statement by stating Mori is the most successful talent out of entire hololive
NTA but he said "ONE of the most" not "the most" and I would add on the assessment is probably based on shit like merch channel views, music project charting being hired on to do promotions etc

>>70106573
Wait your serious?
Let me laugh harder!

>>70109804
>hopefully more streams are next

roru

rumao

>>70114430
>Mori actually reaches out to each new gen and constantly invites them to either collabs or open VC
What's funny about this, sora does not behave this way

>>70106573
Nobody watches Mori outside of her FWMC leech collabs. She's the daisenpai of killing your own channel.

Migo is the secret elite 3rd member of Holo En 0

>>70114430
It's crazy to think about how little chemistry Myth had in retrospect. AmeSame 2 years ago is to closest I can see to being actual friends, and they haven't had that dynamic in a long time.

>>70122788
>Mori is arguably the most successful talent to ever come out of Hololive
If you take out Fuwamoco leech collabs she's spamming she's literally the runt of EN right now in terms of ccv. Fuwamoco is the only reason she still gets viewers.

>>70123550
>She's the daisenpai of killing your own channel.
Yeah......

>>70123674
>>70123550
CCV doesnt matter when you're hand over fist in superchats/merch sales/sponsorships/professional deals. You're blinded by your hate.

>>70123705
>Aqua and gura having large views
>Despite both barely ever streaming
Unironically How do they do it

>>70123454
if daisenpai stardards are Sora, then Gura fits the bill perfectly where other EN members are basically afraid of reaching out to her for collabs entirely.

>>70109076
Council probably just used that as an excuse to help IRyS be less ostracized, Ina was in on it too since she was the one that convinced management to shorten her collab ban

>>70123420
>ONE of the most
No. He said
>Aside from Suisei, Mori is arguably the most successful talent to ever come out of Hololive.
Pretty much calling her the 2nd most successful talent in all of hololive.

Why the fuck are people seething about this. She is literally the oldest holo en member, hence daisenpai

>>70123705
>All she has left is total views
>About to lose this too because excuse me rip isn't pushed by the algorithm anymore

>>70106573
it's great how angry mori makes you just by existing. I hope she never changes.

>>70106573
>bloated ego
As expected of brapper. Daft bint.

>>70123785
The algo pushes their old streams really hard also in Aqua's case her music is very popular
You probably have never about thought it but this random fucking duolingo stream is Gura's 2nd highest viewed VoD, and that's caused the algo fucking LOVES pushing it for some reason

>>70106573
She's not that bad anons cmon.
Once she moved on from the drunken slob act in 2022 and stopped being pissy at kiara I came to enjoy her.

>>70123550
>>70123674
Collabing isn't leeching.

>>70114430
In your head, maybe.
>trying to present the bitch who hates the job and treats everyone like kindergarteners a sideshow invested in working with others when all she wants to do is brap
Utterly delusional.
>>70114593
>samefagging and trying to pretend the bitch has any arc besides waffing between fuckups
Legit pathetic

>>70123938
>>70123258
Is this bait to report people? She's younger than EN's median age by a shitload ever since advent joined. She just looks like garbage and old compared to members older than her (including fauna and kiara) because of her hedonistic lifestyle.

>>70123961
>>About to lose this too because excuse me rip isn't pushed by the algorithm anymore
What a strange cope
By this dumb logic you could say the same thing about Phony for Suisei or Marabako for Marine

>>70124109
>3 years ago
make it stop

>>70114430
Ame and Gura seemed pretty checked out from the overall culture of hololive. Just streaming and doing their concerts/events at their own pace.
Ina seems the same way, but for the most part streams fairly consistently and collabs, I just don't think she ever had interest in the idol and dancing aspect of hololive at all.
Kiara has been seeming more disillusioned and generally pissy about her job recently, but outside of nerissa she seems pretty isolated these days.

Makes sense why Mori is seen as a daisenpai desu.

>>70124204
>>trying to present the bitch who hates the job
What a baffling thing to say about the person with the most hours streamed in EN in 2023 and who out-produces basically the entire company in terms of musical projects
If she hated the job she would've either quit like Sana or went on permanent hiatus like Gura
Even if you hate her fucking guts, I can't fathom how you'd delude yourself into thinking she hates the job

>>70124224
Unfortunately, yes. Smoking and drinking are not good for your skin.

>>70124204
>bitch who hates the job
Delusional.

>>70124224
>She just looks like garbage and old
Now THIS is bait

>>70123728
>superchats
She is close to the top in en, but has to beg for them, like in her drawing streams
>merch sales
Wrong
>sponsorships
Wrong

When it comes to actually getting people to watch her streams she's regularly at the bottom of multi pov collabs, so she's rarely anyone's first choice. She has to rely on raids, open vc, collabs to get people to watch her streams

>>70124224
Senpai isn't just a term for people older than you retard, it's also primarily for people who have seniority over you in workplaces.
Most of Gen 0 and 1 started when they were literal teenagers and are younger than 90% of all talents in holo. They still get called senpai since they joined earlier and have seniority.

>>70124614
But like that guy said CCV doesn't matter.

>>70123938
>She is literally the oldest holo en member
Usually yes but the EN does not have that sort of environment. They don't have senpais and kouhai interactions in the slightest and then you have all these "burn out" hiatuses on top of it and just simply no. All ENtubers are ultimately about themselves, not gen.

>>70124767
Pretty much everything that guy said was a lie, so I have a hard time trusting him on that

>>70124614
Don't forget that she often doesn't stream her pov during multi pov streams ever since she had the least views during sports fes.

>>70123977
But she changed, now she is much better.

>>70124614
>She is close to the top in en, but has to beg for them, like in her drawing streams
So true sis, that explains her being near the top for several years right?
She also has to beg so hard which why she leaves supers off in those streams for the majority time right sis?
That's why Mumei also copied the idea right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFB-05hEv4M
>Wrong
Just factually not true considering her limited stuff sales out fairly quick, and she's the only Holo with an exclusive store
>When it comes to actually getting people to watch her streams she's regularly at the bottom of multi pov collabs
>"People don't watch her [in this highly specific situation where viewer distribution isn't normal] !! (also if she's doing well it doesn't count because of XYZ)
What a dumb argument

>>70116685
"Daisenpai" is a totally meaningless term, because people use it for Sora and nobody gives a single fuck about her. It's painfully obvious her fellow JP members don't give a rat's ass about her outside of the seniority thing and the ENs barely know who she is. She's actually a nobody, not even a mascot like Gura.

>>70125002
>he's still doing it
What about her has brain broken you so badly?

>>70125006
Mori has baited (begged) people to superchat her since the beginning. That's why she's called money mori.
There has been a bug on cover merch site that makes it possible to see how much merch is sold and mori is consistently beaten by multiple members of holoen
Mori's viewership crumbles under any sort of overlap if she's not collabing with some other holomember and even when she's streaming without overlap her numbers are near the bottom of en without raids

>>70125006

>>70125319
>Mori has baited (begged) people to superchat her since the beginning.
This is just your undiagnosed mental illness making you see things that aren't there
>That's why she's called money mori.
She's called that because it's a silly nickname people on /hlgg/ cooked up for her cuz she was the top SC'd EN at the time
>There has been a bug on cover merch site that makes it possible to see how much merch is sold and mori is consistently beaten by multiple members of holoen
That bug was fixed like mid 2022 and her merch usually sells out 2nd or 3rd fastest
>Mori's viewership crumbles under any sort of overlap if she's not collabing with some other holomember
Unless you have a chart that shows peak viewer during overlap, I'm going to assume you're just referencing your own selection bias
> even when she's streaming without overlap her numbers are near the bottom of en
This is just frankly just a lie considering she's often smack dab in the middle
>without raids
You're even giving yourself wiggle room here to preemptively say it wouldn't count anyways
And like that original anon said treating CCV as the end be all is retarded, especially when her channel is one of the better performing ones in terms of VoD views

>>70125780
>She'd be lower than ID last month if she didn't do a bunch of FWMC collabs and didn't get constantly raided
Jesus I knew it was bad, but this is something else. Deadbeats really are coping hard.

>>70125319
I stopped watching her around the condom money incident. I had no idea how far she would fall after that. She was making serious bank too.

>>70126897
What is wrong with raids especially if people stay to watch her?

>>70126897
>>She'd be lower than ID last month
That's for this current month retardbro, and you can literally see there's 2 other ENs below her
Don't try to talk numbers if you can't even read a graph

>>70126897
She has more views this month than anyone in EN or ID so I think she's doing pretty well

>>70126992
Nothing, he's just coping by using a made up scenario where getting raided stopped her from having the lowest CCV
Notice how he's whining about raids, but choices to ignore Irys despite her get a raided a bunch as well, and is complaining about a "bunch of FWMC collabs" despite them collabing 1 (ONE) time this month while ignoring Bae had like 4 collabs on her channel this month cause it doesn't fit his narrative

>>70126992
They don't.
>>70127099
More bullshit claims. Don't know how you can keep lying like this when most of your claims got debunked.
>>70127048
Remove the FWMC collabs keeping her on life support and she's below ID. Simple as.

>>70106573
She absolutely is, no need to be a hater

>>70106573
>Pink woman thread for the 100th time
Ok what Niji yab happened this time?
Qrd?

>>70108329
there's only one daisenpai. it's word referred to only a single accomplish individual who started this massive on going franchise and her name is Tokino Sora. She is the daisenpai of JP, EN, and ID alike

>>70127330
>debunked
How so? Mori has gained over 10M views in the last 30 days. The second most viewed EN in that timeframe is Gura, with 5M. I don't know why you keep clinging to ccv when no one in EN or ID can keep up with her in views, especially when almost everyone in EN has gotten their stream botted at some point
>>70123705

>>70114430
>>70124439
Fair points. Calli did also debut first and she does reach out to other members.
However... I don't believe "daisenpai" in its truest sense even exists in holoEN. The culture is too casual to hold that reverence, and Calli has not done anything that would truly deserve such praise either. She blew up as a novelty appealing to an audience who doesn't know shit about rap nor how bad her attitude and agenda were. Even some of the other holoEN girls were ignorant of at least one of these things (e.g. Kronii being convinced by Mori to go forward with male collabs without question the day after a cozy member stream discussing the matter). Calling her daisenpai is a joke. At best, it would be a title loosely bestowed out of politeness.

I dont even watch Mori and she is right, its either her or Kiara. Its the truth, swallow it and dont spit.

>>70127904
Damn, that's 20 times an avarage Mori stream when the graph bottoms out after peaking.

>>70127330
>They don't.
You own graph literally shows she gained an average about 4~K people from that raid
>Remove the FWMC collabs keeping her on life support and she's below ID
She collabed with them a singular time for an event, and their section wasn't even the most viewed
Hell, she didn't collab with them at all in January and she wasn't "below ID" like you keep coping about

>>70128705
Too bad it doesn't translate to 20 times the views

>>70125780
>Top 3 all streamed less than 10 times for a total less than 30 hours
>4-5 get botted constantly
>Gura not counted at all despite her average theoretically being like 40k cause the guy who made the chart filers 5 or more streams
Damn CCV average is such a meme stat lmao

>>70106573
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Exa-dZoRPWk

>この間ずっとカリのおっぱい揉んでた
>All this time I was fondling Calli's breasts
>カリが揉ませてくれた
>Calli let me rub it
>ずっとカリのおっぱい見てて僕
>I keep looking at Calli's boobs
>そしたら触らせてくれた
>Then she let me touch them
>いいじゃんめちゃめちゃ気持ちいい
>It's okay, it feels really good

I wanna too...

>>70109076
en members and en nigger viewers, especially dumb redditors, were always criticising it but nearly all of them eventually realised senpai/kouhai stuff is useful to build an interesting friendship/relationship and having it is better than having nothing.

>>70106573
> feels like

>>70129300
Based Robo-oji

>>70129106
>>70127904
>It's le bots

>>70108518
Based

>>70129422
Idk why you're coping about it NOT being bots when the average Bijou or FWMC viewer graph looks like THIS, and there's threads about pointing it out nearly everyday
The problem is so fucking bad that even Nerissa has literally acknowledged it before and said management knows about it

>>70129422
That's how botted streams look like, yeah

>>70123938
1. Branch debuted with 5 people, so there's no "daisenpai" factor purely from being the first.
2. EN branch wasn't entirely run by Mori, everyone else from Myth contributed equal amounts - especially Gura and Amelia.
3. EN never had "senpai-kouhai" dynamics anyway and never pushed for it until Advent, so it feels a little pathetic going back on that narrative.
4. Calling herself as "daisenpai" (as opposed to others calling her that) automatically invalidates her as a candidate.
Sora WAS the entirety of Hololive for it's first five months, at a time when VTubers were sprouting and dropping like flies.
She had the dedication to continue through a bunch of rough patches, including trying to break through to an audience who didn't take VTubers seriously AT ALL (and mocked them and their fans relentlessly, and still continue to do so), cried a lot but did not break from all that stress, and is STILL thriving as one of the top idols of the company.
There's a prestige to the name of "daisenpai" and Mori - who got everything handed to a platter thanks to HoloJP and the pandemic - will never be worthy of that moniker.

>>70129610
>>70129704
>Still completely crush Mori streams despite the bots
Wonder why Mori is the only one not getting botted. Almost like this guys has an agenda to decredit EN members destroying Mori. She wouldn't be able to beat them if she got botted.

>>70129610
The botter is a retard, because the holomems and youtube knows they are being botted. So not only is the botting doing nothing to harm the channel, but it is also helping them in the algorithm while giving them an excuse since its not them botting.

>>70129610
>average Bijou
Biboo has gotten botted like 3 times, don't compare her to the dogs who have more botted than non-botted streams.

>>70129802
Can you repeat that in English?

>>70129802
No I am pretty sure Mori has gotten botted as well. Though maybe that was different guy.

Mori will forever live rent free in 4chan's mind lol

She's the daisenpai of EN

Gura, Ina and Ame not only are too awkward with new members but they don't even stream anymore, they're just too coward to graduate

Kiara doesn't have the patience for form connections. She will Collab with everyone as soon as possible, even if it ends being awkward. The upside for being so shameless is that she was the bride between HoloEN and HoloJP at the beginning.

Mori takes her time to make everyone feel relaxed and welcomed.

>>70130270
>Mori takes her time to make everyone feel welcomed.

>>70130450
Well that welsh nigga stopped trying to get into holo sphere when his twitch career took off and he got into OTK/OTV sphere thanks to Ludwig

>>70130450
>Still thinking about Connor's Welsh cock

>>70130450
Can't believe this guy treated Mori and Ollie like used condom. Who's next, Ironmouse?

>>70130270
>Mori takes her time to make everyone feel relaxed and welcomed.

>>70130450
Actually surprised this orbiter became popular.

>>70129781
>4. Calling herself as "daisenpai" (as opposed to others calling her that) automatically invalidates her as a candidate.
The entire clip is literally her saying her she learnt to just accept the role cause others position her as such rather than pushing back like in the past
>3. EN never had "senpai-kouhai" dynamics anyway and never pushed for it until Advent
That's just factually not really true, at most they don't really use honorifics as often and for a short time in 2021 EN's management told them not to
But there's absolutely a culture within EN of juniors member having a level of respect for their seniors, and the seniors willing to be there to advice or guidance, Mori in particular is one of the member who's noted as being at the forefront
>had the dedication to continue through a bunch of rough patches, including trying to break through to an audience who didn't take VTubers seriously AT ALL (and mocked them and their fans relentlessly, and still continue to do so)
>who got everything handed to a platter thanks to HoloJP and the pandemic
Frankly you're full of shit, and don't really seem know much about Myth's beginnings or are intentionally downplaying them
"Had everything handed to a platter my ass" First off EN's internal management was a total fucking joke, 3 people divided for 5 people, who did fuck all to prepare for them debuting
Mori had to stream from a fucking laptop, Kiara had to stream from a ratty apparent, Ame missed her debut time spent nearly 24 hours helping the other with tech stuff
Everyone thought they were going to flop and be just like a shitty 4kids versions of Hololive
They had to suffer through growing pains, several shitty managers, technical difficulties, shit was so bad that they all chose to buy the same audio mixer as Ame cause it meant she run better tech support with, they were nearly all isolated from each other
They couldn't run to senpai for help because literally only Kiara spoke fluent nip, and to add insult to injury the SINGULAR HoloJP who did speak fluent english had just gotten suspended and EN's retarded management would procced to block her from interesting with until the final 2 month of her career
Myth was basically thrown into shark infested water and told to sink or swim, it's genuinely a miracle they blew up like they did
You first two points are valid arguments but, everything else is just bullshit

>>70131335
He may seem stupid but that guy knows how e-celeb world works at least compared to other two stooges he hangs out with.

>>70108518
myth has been on the grind longer than coco ever was, it's wild.
also coco never felt like a senpai to them because they were collab blocked until she was already graduating. chammers was there for memes and nothing else.

Sora is the daisenpai because there's no on in hololive she can call senpai. Mori is just being a clown for the clippers.

>>70127636
/thread

>>70131356
> she learnt to just accept the role
Of a regular senpai, welcoming your juniors.
Daisenpai is not the same. None of the other girls have even brought up the "daisenpai" label publicly, so it's just her hubris showing.
> Everyone thought they were going to flop and be just like a shitty 4kids versions of Hololive
Just look outside of HoloEN to see what the "talent pool" in the "EN scene" looks like.
Cover scouts are absolute gods.
> internal management
Cover was run by like 3 people when Sora debuted.
> Mori had to stream from a fucking laptop, Kiara had to stream from a ratty apparent
Aki had to stream on a fucking smartphone and she was Gen 2
> they were nearly all isolated from each other
gen 2
> growing pains
korone_debut.mp4
> don't really seem know much about Myth's beginnings or are intentionally downplaying them
Mythfags thinking they're the "oldies" when there was a fanbase around looong before them is always hilarious to watch.
> it's genuinely a miracle they blew up like they did
Fans wanted English speaking holos for the longest time, they were primed to blow up.
No matter whatever growing pains they had, the fact remains that they had a ready and willing fanbase accepting of them, and all 5 of them got a million subs off the back of the foundations that HoloJP laid for them.

>>70106794
true true

>try her best to filter fans to personal accounts
>hates idol culture
Yeah. Sure.

>>70106573
A majority of streamers are completely out of touch with reality, more news at 11

>>70108329
Ame is unironically a better choice because of all the help Mori begged from her. Mori can barely get her stream running, and it's somehow worse during collabs.

>>70132138
>Mythfags thinking they're the oldies
So true. Most of them didn't even know about vtubers until that faggot Gigguk made a video about it.

>>70132291
Seethe niji sister

>>70132370
Mori would fit in better in Nijisanji, if I'm being honest.

She is right
>200 posts and 104 IP
3 years later, the seethe is still going strong...JUST LIKE MY LOVE, EVERLASTING

>>70132342
The "EN curse" is just Mori and/or kronii downloading games 5 minutes before the stream starts. Funny how it never happens when they're not part of a collab. The "EN curse" pretty much stopped existing post advent.

>>70106573
DAISENPAI OF SEX

>>70132138
Based, myth debut was still miles better than the early JP talents

>>70132492
Exactly the behavior you'd expect of a daisenpai. Sugoi.

>>70130270
>Mori takes her time to make everyone feel relaxed and welcomed.
>screaming at the top of her lungs during another failed collab because she didn't test a game before setting up a stream, so her kouhai sits there staring at her troubleshoot for an hour
subarashii

>>70122923
>before Gura even debuted
>hype does not exist before a debut
We saw Myth’s trajectory before Gura meme magic and they were 60k sub shitters. Try to reinvent history however you want but HoloEN being a breakout success had nothing to do with the rest of myth. At best Mori can be accredited with bringing some of Gura’s spotlight to the rest of hololive with her music videos

>>70132654
How is it in 2021?

>>70127636
And of DEV_IS.

>>70106573
Tbf even if she's not the daisenpai of En she's probably the closest to being one

>>70116358
Reminds me of pic related

>>70132767
Despite not even being present, Gura still takes that spot.

>>70132484
>2 posts avarage/IP means it's one guy
Never change retardbeats.

>word that defines a seniority
>Mori was the first to debut in EN

It checks out

>>70132822
And Ame is next in line.
Followed by Kiara and then Ina, and the only reason Ina is #4 is because she just doesn't put the effort in leading.

Mori is last because her focus isn't, never has been, and never will be being a VTuber.

>>70127636
Yeah, doesn't make sense for there to be a "daisenpai Jr." that has 30 senpai who formed the foundation of the group.
Calli may have a leadership role, but a daisenpai she is not.

>The "undead" VTubers keep getting fired.
Tick, tock.

>>70106573
She was the first to debut in HoloEN , She will forever be the first, ergo Daisenpai

>>70132912
>leadership
whut? when?

>>70132822

>>70132833
>it's one guy
Didn't say that, getting so defensive you can't even read uh? Poor brownie

>>70132967
>deadbeat pretending he's Argentinian

>Her achievements aren't actually hers!
>she doesn't do anything of worth in the company!
>She just leeches off the REAL talents!
>Nobody even likes her and she's going to get fired anyway!
Are Mori antis Nijishitters? They sure have the same talking points and pre-planned images/phrases they take into threads.

>>70133143
Forgot the most important part.
>Mori admires Niji more than Holo

>>70133037
>anon pretending to not be a brownie
SAD!
You should embrace your heritage and start communicating with clicks or pidgin english

>>70106573
My queen

>>70133183
Forgot the most important part
>You talking from your blown out ass

>>70116685
>I get don't why guys are turning this into a pseudo-dick measuring contest about who does what, when the significance of "Daisenpai" is just who debuted first
>>70118876 Is correct because if debut order was the only thing that mattered then Mito wouldn't the Daisenpai of Nijisanji.
Shibuya Hajime first tweet predated Mito's by a day and both debuted streamed the same day. But he's a literal who while Mito is a cashcow so she gets called Daisenpai.

It's because she debuted first dummies.

>>70133282
>mad af
She's the one that tried to force males, just like Nijisanji. Hate it all you like, but that's the truth.
Literally her first interview (with a fleshtuber no less), "I admit I hate idol culture, and I think this is selling out."

>>70129836
I'm pretty sure the guy botting cares way more about fucking up the stupid horse race /#/ does than actually hurting the channels

>>70132878
>Mori is last because her focus isn't, never has been, and never will be being a VTuber
Wouldn't she do a lot more RM work if that was true?

>>70133442
Bruh, you seem to forget how much RM shit she did first two years trying to funnel.
And she's still on RM accounts.

>>70133358
>"I admit I hate idol culture, and I think this is selling out."
Never said that,

>>70133352
Sora is the daisenpai because she's the senpai of every member. Mori can't be daisenpai of EN because there are 4 members who aren't her kohai.

>>70133481
That is why I am talking about current year and not 2021.

>>70106573
It's not something you can say about yourself.
If none of her kouhai said it, it doesn't mean shit.

>>70133521
And it's also why she's not a daisenpai. Cope.

>>70132342
Who?

>>70133358
Except she explicitly said, "I collab with who I want, don't try to force it on anyone else."
You stupid fucking, cock-obsessed, threadreader scum. 1hr 57min in.
https://www.youtube.com/live/nWSdoWCmHI4?si=-8bXM8bbhrl_2CXk

>>70133558
Just about every collab with Kobo, for starters. This is a thing that goes all the way back to day 1.

>>70133617
>she backpedeled and did damage control
okay, all the more reason not to call her daisenpai
this is self-assigned undeserved BS on her part
cope more

>>70133481
>She's funneling views away from the company!
Holy shit, it really is Nijisisters...

>>70132950
She's a senpai and at least a few of them look up to her to some degree. That's all. Not very serious.

>>70120990
What kind of history revisionism is this? It wasn't an edit.

>>70133665
Her fans want to watch her vtube. Not fund her shitty rap career. Fuck off tourist.

>>70133712
No, they admire her because of her record deal. None of them look to her for leadership.

>>70120990
>Silly fart SFX edit
It wasn't edited. It was a genuine fart. Fat people fart a lot.

>>70133725
I think her fans want to support her in whatever way they can. Her being in Holo is a plus, for her and for the agency, but they do not own her.
If she wants to do something and Cover won't support it then she respectfully does it independently. Not like her company has a clause saying she can't do outside work (while that same company will then reject projects she wants to do.)

>>70133721
NO
SHE CAN'T HAVE MADE A MISTAKE
That clip is still really hot.

>>70133721
deadbeats love trying to rewrite history when it comes to her bullshit

She deserves it. it's crazy how little have done the others outside of youtube streams.

>>70133968
Says the one spending the thread making shit up. The lack of self awareness is quite impressive.

>>70134085
>Says the one spending the thread making shit up.
>spending
Deadbeats are brownbeats.

the more stubbornly someone says that Mori said X, the lower he chance that any clip/timestamp their post has her actually saying X
it's the actual EN Law

>>70134157
deadbeats make up laws as often as Mori assigns herself ridiculous accolades

>>70106573
I kneel to your work ethic Mori, in respect of the grind.

Serious question, how is her rap? Is it really that good and do you bump it in your car?

>>70134181
I appreciate your effort to argue as hard around the point as possible, at least you're aware it's indefensible

>>70134242
if bless your soul you haven't listened to her "music" yet please keep it that way

>>70133665
Lmao nice deflection, cuckbeat. Mori has made it clear she does not like dealing with the rules and culture and she DID try drawing viewers to her roommate. Fortunately she's fallen in line unless she's still doing that bullshit.

>>70133726
They actually respect her. She has seniority and most of them don't know shit about rap, so she's still cool to them. They are females with the hearts of casuals.
If there had to be a leader, it would be her. I'm not saying she does much if anything at all as a leader, but it's pushed to her.

>>70134242
FUCK no. Her shit is fucking terrible.
I'd rather blast One Blood on Western Ave. than play that shit.

>>70106573
This is embarrassing

>>70134848
Everytime I see her in a collab I get reminded that she's completely shameless

>>70106573
I'd rather call the reddit dragon the daisenpai of EN, who the fuck can call himself daisenpai if it takes 3 years to barely learn the ins and outs of Idol buisness
>>70132750
probably better
>>70120990
correct, he has to know since between chu~ and sproing deadbeats are experts when it comes to forced memes

>>70134739
>If there had to be a leader, it would be her.
Exactly.
Imagine if you were a member of EN. Who do you want to be your leader other than her?
Basically she’s Fubu of EN.

>>70106573
The worst part is that she's right

>>70135341
How is she shameless?

>>70135341
That's kinda hot

>>70133143
It's the same format been used on Dokibird , so I would say yes

>>70106573
She is the daisenpai of EN

>>70135390
Kiara did try to wrangle all of them in the past. Think it was made clear in the KFP Dance School VRC Myth collab.
>Fubu of EN
Yeah, kinda... Mori can put her foot down when she has to. But it's ironic 'cause she WAS the troublemaker.

Do any of you even know what daisenpai means
She literally is, by definition, the daisenpai of the EN branch

>>70136888
eop board, gomen

>>70136888
So are Gura, Ina, Ame and Kiara

>>70136888
>daisenpai of EN
It’s like being
>Hulk Hogan
>the undertaker
>Steve Austin
>Dwayne Douglas Johnson
of professional wrestling.

>>70106573
She has no idea what "Daisenpai" means and she ain't it.
/thread

>daisenpai
It’s a euphemism for “boomer”.

>>70133721
Deadbeats live in a fantasy land of their own creation.

>>70130450
Fucking grifter

>start with literally nothing except an idea
>pitch it to a bunch of people, eventually it sticks and yagoo decides to jv with your idea
>build the entire concept and brand from scratch with hard-earned handchange yagoo has saved up from his salaryman days, and a few hundred bucks of birthday money
>somehow get a setup going with the help of your friend A-chan
>scrape enough money to get a model and rig it
>build your empire through blood, sweat, and tears
>fight doubts day in and day out, everyone around you thinks you're crazy except yagoo and A-chan
>your parents constantly try to dissuade you, want you to go to school and study to be a doctor or a lawyer instead
>eventually you make it, this hard work, dedication, and foundational bricklaying has earned you a title of great reverence: daisenpai
vs
>get hired because you've made some subpar wigger music and have a vague interest in japan
>call yourself daisenpai because... no one else from your gen wants to stream anymore?
Yeah, really earned that title mori, congrats...
EN was a fucking mistake

>>70139489
>start with literally nothing except an idea
false, they started as a pet project from Cover, a corporation
>pitch it to a bunch of people, eventually it sticks and yagoo decides to jv with your idea
Yagoo was the one with the idea of making hololive, Sora was someone they hired
>build the entire concept and brand from scratch with hard-earned handchange yagoo has saved up from his salaryman days, and a few hundred bucks of birthday money
The concept was copied from .LIVE and Yagoo wasn't a salaryman he had money from his rich parents, and was a failed businessman that tried to make a VR 3D pingpong game
>somehow get a setup going with the help of your friend A-chan
They used the VR setup in the office of Cover, that they already had because of the VR pingong game
>scrape enough money to get a model and rig it
Again, Yagoo had money from his parents
>build your empire through blood, sweat, and tears
They pretty much leech from Nijisanji and then got money from Chinese investors
>fight doubts day in and day out, everyone around you thinks you're crazy except yagoo and A-chan
Yagoo had connections and made an exclusive contract with NicoNico douga, so Sora would stream there for money
>your parents constantly try to dissuade you, want you to go to school and study to be a doctor or a lawyer instead
Yagoo was already a university graduate, and Sora was on her late 20s when hololive was launched, she had few gigs as a 3rd tier Seiyuu
>eventually you make it, this hard work, dedication, and foundational bricklaying has earned you a title of great reverence: daisenpai
She is pretty much the daisenpai because she was hired first
>get hired because you've made some subpar wigger music and have a vague interest in japan
She was living in Japan, knew music industry people and had enough talent to be the first holo to sign a music deal with a company, even before Suisei. She also was the first holo to have a sololive 3D concert in a real place and not just online.

>>70106573
True

>>70106573
No

>>70120990
I wonder what kind of mental illness compells someone to lie out of their ass all day to white knight fucking Mori of all people. When their lie is so fucking retarded that they'll get called out for being a pathetic Mori dickrider guaranteed because half the board lived through the event they're lying about.
Same shit with the infamous concert screenshot and instagram screenshot. People saw it with their own eyes, retard. Nobody is buying it.

>>70138902
Y-yeah...

She's the daisenpai of nijisanji en

>>70111306
is this bait?

>>70141848
>half the board lived through the event they're lying about.
Most of this board are newfags who weren't there in 2020

>>70141848
This, but being a pathetic hater of a girl who sings and streams.
Stay mad. You were never going to be chosen anyway. "Start creating, stop tweeting."

>>70140084
NTA but holy newfag larper, the first Holo signed with major label is Sora with JVCkenwood Victor entertainment on 2019, couldn't even get simple shit right and painfully obvious just parroting shit written by another newfag larper

>>70106573
She is the dai senpai. So far everyone from en seems to like her and respects her only the some anons /here/ couldn't accept it.

>>70143285
Imagine defending Mori for farting.

>>70144651
Please keep your fetishes out of the threads, thanks.

>Get BTFO in every argument
>"Uh-uh-uh... she farted! Defend that!"
Legit children.

>>70144830
>>70144966
>Lies about people hoaxing her farming
>Gets called out on it
>Hurr btfo in argument
Cope harder fags

Yup. There's the fetish porn. The final weapon an anti has to try to "ruin" Mori and her fans. That or doxx to try to crash the thread, every time.

>>70145303
You smell that? No, it's not Mori's fart. It's cope.

>>70132138
>all 5 of them got a million subs off the back of the foundations that HoloJP laid for them.
Those millions did not come from JP. holo JP has jack shit to do with Myth's success.

>>70106573
It's honestly pretty remarkable how in little over a year, /vt/ has gone from seething over Mori to learning to love her. Greatest comeback story of our generation

It's kind of sad seeing an EN unironically believe they're more relevant than the shark that doesn't even have to stream.

>>70144109
bro, learn what a major label is before you make a reply

>>70108518
Based Coco Kaine

We know Mori is pretty proactive and helpful since HoloX debut thanks to Lui gushing about her, how is this news?

>>70145899
cope more sister
Homos lost
Niji lost

>>70146123
>learn what a major label is
JVC is a major label retard, you clearly don't know shit EOP newfag yet so confident and for your information signed with Universal isn't really as big deal as you may think, plenty of other chuuba signed with them way before Mori

>>70146290
Every Holo, and other streamer/musician, who has interacted with Mori has had good things to say about her. With the only exception I remember being that one track maker who got fed a bunch of fake tweets attributed to her and blindly believed them (Then doubled down when they were proven to be fake.)

its still a bit surprising that mori gets along with fwmc. she probably improved herself to be tolerant and now actually has an inclusive taste in vtubing.

>>70111306
kek

>>70147325
retardchama, there's three label that are considered "major" in the world: Universal, Sony and Warner
if you're not signed to those or a subsidiary, you're not a "major label", and JVC is not

>>70147375
Mori always had inclusive taste compared to people that tried shitting on her

>>70146290
So being proactive and helpful makes someone a daisenpai?

>>70148193
no, debuting first does, those are just nice traits to expect from someone in that position

>>70148193
No, the only requirement is being the first. Which Mori was within the branch.
But if you want to say there must be a specific behavior associated with it, as being an inspiration and source of advice, then Mori does fit that too.

>>70148051
Holy retard, stop embarrassing yourself you don't even know Japanese music industry and what classifies as major record label, Avex, Toy's factory for example they are classified as major label in which if you're signed with them and release your first album,EP or single with them it will be called a major debut, you clearly know jack shit about music industry and even more clueless about Japanese music industry which basically they are their own market, I suggest you googling first for basic knowledge before larping, retard-chama

>>70148090
no i still remember her shitting on luna. she wasnt tolerant but she probably soulsearched after her homo disaster or some event.

>>70106573
Embarrassing and narcissistic. She sullies the title that only Sora should have.

>>70108518
This

>>70109076
Mori needs to indulge her narcissism

>>70148729
>t-they're major... i-in their own market!
lmao

>>70148777
She never shitted on Luna, what are you talking about?

>>70106573
This sounds like another case of Mori not understanding vtuber culture and not knowing what the DAI part of daisenpai implies.

>>70148777
if you remember it so vividly, can you provide a link?

Please EN4 come quick, save us from Advent!

Wash away the tears!

>>70148904
Mori understands it pretty well considering her behavior is a good example of what one with that title should be doing

>Now causing damage across multiple dimensions
This menace MUST be stopped

>>70148898
>>70148918
NTA but it was just a comment she made about meeting Luna in person and how Luna wouldn't "break character" or "act real" in person. Some people here took it as Mori accusing her of being fake

>>70148918
>>70148898
she said she hates lunas voice but quickly deleted the part or the video withing a day or a few days. ive never forgotten it since luna is one of my favourite holomems. old mori fans should know it.

also dont forget she hated the idol culture as a whole. she wasnt tolerant, but change her views on many (jp) things afterwards

>>70149141
I'm genuinely curious about seeing that, do you have a source?

>>70149247
I can try to dig it up in the archives, hold on

>>70149153
>it happened, it's just got deleted
considering nearly every small trip up Mori had is heavily documented with timestamps a d streamables, even members only stuff, how that went by?

The direct mention Mori made of Luna that I remember is this and it's "She talks like a baby. She's cute."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoE-ZwxitF8

>>70149337
im not a fan of mori, so i have no clue about it and didnt give a shit about the details. it was just a quick event and back then this board didnt find it controversial, nobody saw it as a big drama. iirc it didnt even have a thread. only a few posters pointed it out on some thread.

Are people /here/ so emotionally deficient that they don't understand what Mori meant?
It wasn't a narcissist boast, she was expressing how she feels towards the other ENs.
And any idiot that pay attention to how she behaves and isn't a retarded shitposter could tell you that: she is always the first to try and integrate the new gens, always available to help and she has consistently shown to be very protective of her kohai.
At most, you can accuse her of being patronizing, and even then it's reaching.

>>70149153
>also dont forget she hated the idol culture as a whole
No she didn't. If you can lie about this, what's stopping you from also lying about the Luna thing?

>>70149537
sorry anon, you might be schizo
Mori was under MUCH bigger scrutiny in the past so either the remark was so completely inoffensive even her usual anti failed to take notice or you mandela'd yourself

>>70106573
mori is the daisenpai of diabetes and that's it. the actual hubris of this beached whale is astounding

>>70148869
Your post says she signed even before Suisei, do you even know which label Suisei and Taku Inoue signed with? That's Toy's factory and they aren't on your list yet you consider Suisei as one of member signed with major label like Mori and to educate your ignorant EOP-ass on why Japan music industry is basically their own market because most of their label are local player only and Avex is definitely bigger than Universal as a label in Japan, you can larp a bit better if you spend even 5mins googling lol

>>70149787
>i-it's b-bigger... in Japan!
so is my dick, kek
check what Billboard has to say about major labels (ironically one of the top Google searches you asked for)

>>70149709
no its just a fact that she said shes disgusted by lunas voice and deleted the part or anything. i now dont find it offensive or anything since she changed her views on jp things. otherwise i dont give a shit about her.

>>70149671
theres no reason i fabricate history bc i dont hate mori. although back then i felt its very ironic since luna was saying she loves mori and watches moris streams (to learn english). a vast majority of mori fans just didnt give a shit about mori having a sorta hate boner for luna.

>>70149999
Google will tell you those label are major label retard and I love how you avoid my entire post that like how you consider Suisei is signed with major label despite Toy's factory isn't on your list or about other chuuba signed with Universal way before Mori, you've been exposed as brain-dead newfag stop embarrassing yourself

>>70150159
>it's a fact
>there's just no proof and it wasn't ever brought up in the past
ok schizochama, I gave you the benefit of the doubt, I think I heard it all now

>>70150159
You already proven yourself to either:
a.) fabricate stories*, aka insisting Mori hated idol culture as a whole
b.) believe whatever shitposter told you at face value
*a.2) stretch or interpret events in a way the original intent was completely different to what anyone actually meant

>>70150309
no, Google tells a pretty different story, the first link being funnily a wiki article I didn't bring up stating that only those three quality
and that's on a blank browser
the fact thst you need to add the qualifier "in Japan" to everything makes it even funnier, since it's the exact moment you give up on your own argument

>>70149153
It has been repeated so many times that I'm sick of it, but that "She hated idol culture!", beside being exaggerated (she just didn't have the greatest opinion of idols), refers to her opinion BEFORE applying to Hololive (and it was MilkyQueen that changed her mind).

all critics of Mori insisted that actions speak louder than words until her actions changed, then they swapped to insisting words are actually way more important

>>70150674
They all know. They don't care. They will repeat everything from Day 1 and pretend nothing has ever changed because they don't care about being correct, they only want to make Mori look bad. And if they can snag one Anon who doesn't know anything, then they won. And if not, then they will just post it again next thread.

>>70150386
>>70150382
ask "old" mori fans who are also dramanigger veterans that then. they should know it and you will be able to verify it some geeky way. im not a terminally online dramanigger that downloads every "proof" in my ssd, and like i said over and over again, i never hated mori even back then so i cant be so obsessed with one small event. ive just never forgotten it since luna is one of my fav holomems. i just told you one small event.

>>70151421
schizochama, stop, you can continue to live in your bubble but until you can provide something of substance, stop bothering

>>70151421
You can't even prove Mori hated idol culture or source where the fuck you got the idea. You just believe whatever people post. How is that other thing just not you reading shitposts about her and believe it without question?

I like Mori's tits, that's all.

>>70150585
>unironically talking about japan music industry
>japan doesn't count
Lmao and still ignoring my post about Suisei or other chuuba that signed with Universal before Mori, good thing you stopped larping tho and admitted that you just googled shit out of context and you probably surprised if you know on other country like Korea for example which their music industry is also dominated by local player and those the likes of Universal and Warner are small compared to them

>>70151781
>i-it's major... i-in context!
meanwhile over 70% of global market share be like

>>70151781
NTA, but nobody (aside you) was talking about japan music industry specifically?
Obviously Cover would want their EN talent to get into a contract with a company with global reach, why would they make her EN ass sign a contract for a company that focuses exclusively on the JP market?

>>70151965
>>70151781
You both are probably correct - depending on context. You just can't agree on what's the proper context here, so this is a useless argument unless either of you want to downplay Mori or Suisei's achievements.

>>70151965
>still no argument
and Universal Japan isn't even close with their US branch, like i said before you most likely think it's a big deal to sign with them which is probably on the US but not in Japan as they already signed with other vtubers way before Mori, and you should google those Kpop stars which record label they signed to and i bet you've never heard of their names before yet regardless if you or i like Kpop or not, they are big on global scale even if they label is unknown outside of Korea, it's painfully obvious you know jackshit about music and music industry