/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

no, she is fat

>>70072958
only if she gives me paizuri

>>70072958
it's not me she needs to apologise to

>>70072958
Not even naked dogeza would be accepted.

>>70072958
She won't say she's sorry, if she ever adresses this again she's 100% gonna triple down

Only if she braps on stream.

>>70072958
I already accepted her apology during the last 'shareholder meeting' if you know what I mean

>>70072958
Who is this? Her model kinda looks like Selen...

>>70072958
she doesn't have to say sorry, I hope she doesn't. Selen doesn't deserve a second more of her time. Just show up and do karaoke and stream something fun, ban every mention of any questionable words in chat, ban disruptors, set it to like sub for 2 weeks+ mode. The drama vacuum will filter the faggots and they'll leave only the real fans to enjoy her again.

>>70072958
No one is gonna forgive her. She should double down and redebut as a hot femdom chuuba.

why did she do it bros

Does Niji EN still have fans that aren’t rabid Fujo sisters. Lol her fans left on the black stream

>>70073302
when all your fans lick your boots no matter what you do you start deluding yourself into thinking you're in the right

>>70072958
She did nothing wrong.

>>70073443
like 2 clout chasing faggots left. Anyone who was an actual fan doesn't care. I wouldn't care if 20 people killed themselves, has nothing to do with her.

>>70072958
Only if she succeeds where Selen failed.

>>70072958
I forgive her fat tits only

There's nothing to apologize for

>>70072958
I'm not the person she needs to beg for forgiveness

>>70072958
Elira bukakke

>>70073010
The only way I can forgive her

>>70072958
Honestly, no.
I can't imagine her saying sorry, I'd be surprised if she did.
If she said she was sorry, I'd assume this is just some PR stunt.
Actions speak louder than words, I'd accept her apology if she changed. Nobody is ever beyond salvation, but I highly doubt that she would ever try to change.

>>70072958
She has nothing to apologize for

>>70073213
she's not gonna fuck you, little bro

Her outfit looks like a something someone would wear in a tit fucking fetish video.

>>70075025
>Actions speak louder than words
How would she do that? Charity streams look fake as fuck even when good people do them. Announce going in therapy?

>>70072958
Nothing short of shutting the fuck up for 6-12 months and making a noticeable action to do right by the fans she's wronged instead of an empty apology will have even a chance of fixing things.

>>70073211
Ikustat Neles, they're doing an evil clone gimmick

If I can take off my le edgy 4chan hat for a second and respond seriously;
It depends on the apology. There's clearly a ton of shit we don't know about and if she was manipulated by higher ups, then I can find it in me to forgive her. If she was covering her own ass, I'd be disappointed in her but would check in after a few months or a year to see if she's improved. I think the internets "black and white" mentality (sorry, Uki) when it comes to "right or wrong" is suffocating for people in a spotlight as bright as Nijisanji. I wanna believe she was just stupid, cause lord knows I've been stupid many times.

harakiri live on stream please

>>70072958
She would have to become my personal pregnancy slave. Then I would forgive her. With my dick.

>>70072958
Doki's the one she should be apologising to, not us

>>70075025
maybe she can fake a suicide attempt, I bet it could gain some simpathy

>>70072958
There’s nothing ever to be gained by apologizing to Twittertroons.
Walk softly and wield a big ban hammer

>>70074288
This.
If Elira wants any chance to survive this, she needs to not only make a public apology to Doki, but take responsibility for the actions of the clique and the bullying.

>>70072958
What do you think an apology is anon? Just some words thrown into the void? Just "uhm, sorry?" and that's it?

An apology comes with repentance, and her only option there is retirement.

>>70072958
She's an old fujoshi with cobwebs in her rancid pussy. The only thing she probably has in common with her model is the obesity required to have those boobs.

>>70073524
>Meanwhile, no streams for almost a month
Good cope though, keep screaming it like a mantra so the reality doesn't set in.

>>70072958
>sorry I got caught guys :C
I mean maybe that will work for coomers

>>70072958
>im sorry i got caught

>>70072958
naked dogeza while she gets railed by a train

>>70072958
No

>>70072958
Bully me until I cum myself

>>70072958
Do a Q&A return stream.

>>70072958
only if she makes an onlyfans and spreads her pussylips all over the screen

>>70072958
Yes

>>70072958
What would saying sorry look like?

>>70075492
>Announce going in therapy?
lmao no, that is THE 0 effort answer people give to appease the twitter crowd. Even "I will do better, trust me bro" would be more respectable response.

Unless Doki goes mask off and starts spouting Nazi propaganda, Elira is bound to suffer in the short term no matter what she does. Apologize or ignore it, promise to do better or don't, I don't think any of it matters much. What people want is for artists, other preferably non niji affiliated chuubas and other industry people to start speaking highly of her. That's the action people want to see. Proof she isn't a bitch to deal with anymore.

If she doesn't fuck up in the near future, I can see her recovering in 3 months-ish. That's probably the best she can hope for

>>70072958
I will only forgive her if she lets me lick every hole and gland on her body.

>>70072958
Yes. If scorched earth on black company.

>>70073079
>The only thing I did wrong was leaving the task of killing Selen to a mentally ill cunt

>>70073079
This. After the smear campaign on her own channel Elira would only go further because she needs to convince her remaining fans that Selen deserved to be terminated.

>>70073213
Hi Shu, Elira still isn’t going to fuck you.

>>70072958
Femdom JOI is the only method of apology I'll accept.

>>70076168
>Twittertroons
Why are you calling yourself and other famelira that, anon?

None of you really seem to understand what an apology entails. Should she just graduate and that's it? Regardless of an apology to Doki or offering proof that she'll change? I get that many of you were raised with the beliefs that some people can't be redeemed at all even if they have taken the extra mile to change but come on, is holding grudges always correct? Maybe she wouldn't need to apologize to you all then. Just accept you're all pettier than she is would she have offered Doki a sincere apology and to ask people to see if she's changed or not.

>>70075492
Serious self reflection where she states why she behaved the way she did even if it means acknowledging uncomfortable truths
Either relinquish the manager role or better yet make real changes to how she manages and institute checks on her own power.
Oddly enough if she was fed bullshit info or coerced into handling things certain ways throw those people responsible at least partially under the bus, still taking some responsibility for not verifying, or not standing up for people.

she’s probably been in an impossible situation since january and I feel bad for her for that. I don’t see anything I as a random member of the public could or should forgive, and I don’t think there’s any absolution in a spiritual sense in seeking public forgiveness. if she really wronged doki then >>70074288 otherwise I hope she doesn’t debase herself for something as meaningless as being liked by the masses who don’t know or understand anything

>>70075492
Nta but first apologizing to Doki in private would be a start, maybe she will forgive her and say some word to clear her name. Funny situation she got herself in, only person that can clear her name is Doki and she dragged her through the mud. So no, i don't think she will apologize and she will just sink with that dogshit company

>>70072958
Yes, I can fix her. I've been bullied before and have a hard time killing myself

>>70078946
Felt called out enough to reply? It’s a mentality, which you so aptly demonstrated, and no amount of “no u” can change that.

>>70072958
HELL NO!!! TERMINATE HER NOW!!!

>>70072958
Ok serious answer. No, I don’t want just an apology.

Explain the MV, explain the messages, explain the dix, explain the names she said, explain Vox and Ike.

Sorry is a fucking easy word to say, it means jack shit if you can’t also openly admit your faults too.

>>70079438
She's capable of it. I'd forget the third part though. Blaming others for your own faults never works. Sometimes you just have to take the blame for others.
>>70079492
How do you know that? Are you saying she's worried Doki won't accept her apology?

>>70079495
Whatever situation she was in, there's no excuse for her actions. And she may have to debase herself. Because what she did is arguably irredeemable and irreconcilable.

>>70072958
Her bullshit will happen again if left unchecked. Petra, Rosemi and Pomu did nit shine under Elira's management. Finana will continue to be misguided by the clique and the worst of her community.

>>70080404
>if you can’t also openly admit your faults too.
Wouldn't that just make it worse?

>>70080559
Yeah, i wouldn't accept apology after that backstab, but thats me, had similar situation with a longtime friend. Maybe she isn't the type to hold grudges.

>>70079495
>anon can't fathom the act of owning up to mistakes as anything but transactional
jesus, that's sad.

Who is you and she doesn’t need to apologize to me, she should apologize to everyone whose career she sabotaged.

>>70072958
she won't ever truly apologize. the best she'll say is "i'm sorry for abc, but xyz" and shift the blame

If you don't embrace the clique in Nijisanji you will not get anywhere in that organisation. If you become more popular than the ring leaders you will be shaped down. You will never be thr face of Nijisanji over Elira or Vox even if you mog them in subscribers / membership. You are eternally hard capped and suppressed by a company that chooses those same methods.

Only if she goes full heel keyfabe

>>70072958
What would an apology even be? It can't be something that admits culpability or AnyColor would have to terminate her.

"I'm sorry I let down my fans. I let my frustration at the situation get to me, and let our explanation stream get scheduled at a bad time that left an unintended impression."

That's the most I could ever see her apologizing for as anything more would be admitting culpability.

>>70080959
This is going to sound uncomfortable so bear with me. I don't know how much it really hurt you since I don't know you and all but as someone who recently was the backstabber in a situation with someone that I really did love and care about, I can't help but feel sorry for you dude. No one should ever undergo that, there's no reason for this kind of shit to happen, the pain of the past can never be erased and I don't know if you've moved on from it or not. Regardless, just understand this, and this is not to absolve any backstabber in any capacity, way, shape, or form, but if someone wanted to prove to you that they were capable of truly changing, and fully admitted the extent of their own faults with you, would you at least listen? Again, I don't know everything, but right now as someone who's guilty of something you were hurt by, self-reflection on my end has led me to truly want to change. It's not a matter of forgiveness, that doesn't have to happen if you don't want to. And of course I'm not you, it's just a question asked because I would listen personally. You may not, I would though. Apologies if I sounded vague here. Have a wonderful day.

>>70082283
You have a big heart Doki

>>70081587
It kinda pains me here, because if Elira did want to be responsible and remorseful for her actions, Anycolor could just terminate her if they wanted to. Accountability is nothing with them. Their livers and their fans all admit so.

>>70072958
We are way past the piont where an apology would help. The people who hate her have firmly made up their minds and an apology would only feel like a betrayal to those defending her. Saying sorry would be actively harmful.

And she doesn't need to apologise to me anyway.

>>70082508
Someone actually just told me this yesterday as I was talking to them. Thank you dude, I try.

>>70072994
proof?

>>70073213
Slightly based take.

The easiest way for this to go away is to not talk about it. Dokibird could have said a lot more but choose not to, instead she focused on streaming and only streaming. If Elira does similar she should be 'fine' if she doesn't shoot her mouth off.

>>70072958
No, and I'm just gonna say, this outfit of hers just looks like a cheap hybrid imitation of selen's commander/detective outfit.

>>70082754
I just think it looks like some gacha game shit

Going on like nothing happened, won't work.
Holding a secretive members only, won't work.
Holding a big Collab stream, won't work.

Being honest and speaking to the rest of her fanbase where she did go wrong, and how is she going to move onwards. Maybe hold a Q&A at the end on superchats or somerhing.

>>70073524
So this is the thread where the NDF runs away when they get BTFO in the other ones, roru, rumao even.

>>70072958
Her apology? About the PomuxMsg one in a lifetime chance collab? No need. Pomu didn't want it anyway. Frankly, who would?

>>70072958
I'll accept her apology if Doki and Sayu forgives her. Those two are naive doormats so they probably would just to get the drama to die down, but I'd absolutely respect their decisions in that case if they want to forgive and move on.

What started the downfall, literally.

>>70073211
Reverse Selen

>>70083191
Don't bully Rushians...

>>70082754
Sorry anon, but both outfits are just pure sex.
Elira misses in a lot of ways, but her design and model is absolutely not one of them. Don't let the actor sour you from the fact that the dragon twins designs are really, really fucking hot and I'd let them bully me for weeks if it meant I could smash.

>>70081007
no, I feel almost the exact opposite. I think any obligation she might have to privately apologize to doki is more important than her material or reputational interests. on the other hand making a spectacle of publicly apologizing to doki or apologizing to the public as a calculated decision to continue her career or rehabilitate her image would be wrong. and I broadly think the public isn’t owed anything in these kinds of circumstances, and their demands add a morally negative influence to the decisions that people involved make. it would be easier for them to make the right choices for the right reasons if they weren’t in the spotlight.
and I get that I’m contributing to that, I’m a hypocrite.

>>70083125
You must be an idiot to actually believe she blocked any of Pomu's projects or plans.

>>70083421
Nah, the boob part of her outfit just irks me the wrong way, it doesn't look like it matches her body model.

>>70083343
I hope she makes this face while she pegs me

>>70072958
I don't give a shit about her apologizing to us, she needs to apologize to Doki

>>70083343
What's with the SA parade belt? Are you guys trying to make her look cool?

>>70083596
It's true that owning up to them in private is important, but when the whole issue is that their betrayal was public and instigated their fans to hate that person, I think calming them is just as if not more important. Sayu's said that people have come back to apologize to her in private, but until those people are shown to have at least some kind of not-hateful relationship publicly, people are going to still assume they're bad and hate them.
False said a bit ago during a stream that privately, the Nux Taku/Vshojo situation is completely settled and they're no longer on bad terms, though they've agreed not to bring it up again. People still hold grudges over that, and they likely will continue to do endlessly without some kind of public closure.

>>70079125
Some sins can never be forgiven outright. An apology does not turn back the clock and undo damage. This isn't a oops I fucked up once deal or a toddler shitting himself. It sounds like a campaign of maliciousness over many years. The real world requires a punishment component to an apology for a situations like this. If I punch someone in the face IRL and they lose their job because they had to go to hospital, is an apology going to put food on his families table? I take an anger management course and swear to never punch someone in the face ever again - what benefit is that for the victim? I've improved but it doesn't improve the victims situation. Guy is still unemployed. I either pay for his medical expenses & damages or go to jail. In the Doki situation, if Elira is apologising then a lot of damage was inflicted financially, reputationally and mentally.

>>70083838
I think she should write a long apology note where every capitalized letter spells out "CACA DOOKIE". I think that would kick ass. By the way Pomu was in on this, during the body swap collab she said "I'M MAKING A BIG POOPIE DOOKIE IN MY PANTS RIGHT NOW" while using Selen's model. She knew.

>>70083774
>h-haha
>t-that couldn't have happened
>y-you're just stupid
Why didn't Pomu get her MGS collab,sis? Also, why did Elira get more than 2x merch than her genmates combined? Is it because they didn't want it?

>>70083776
At least it's not Yuniiho's bizarrely oiled boob window. The design itself is great but pink dog what the fuck is this random boob sweat

>>70084368
Explain to me how Elira Pendora of First Wave Lazulight Nijisanji EN has the authority to make executive decisions? Discord access? Being an interpreter? Are you even sure it was the MGS Collab? Or was it the Niji no Conquistador collab? Pomu was really vague about what opportunity it was and that it was a big deal, something the higher ups would have to approve. As for the merch thing, do you remember when Elira had her debut? Do you remember all her early NijiJP collabs? Have you considered that they basically pushed her as the most marketable simply based on how the design sold in the JP market? You can't call everyone sister simply because they disagree with you or have a different outlook on things based on the vague info that we as outside observers get.

>>70072958
>sorry you feel that way bro

>>70084596
Honestly there's no way to confirm anything, but we're pinning everything bad that happened on the only visible parties right now. Even if we're wrong, applying pressure in this way tends to force fuckups like the black stream or Finana self reporting in a random thread, which will give us actual information to work with. Trust the process, anon.

>>70072958
She needs to apologize with graduation and then maybe people might be compelled to watch Nova.

>>70072958
No I won't, but I'll accept if she gets terminated and reincarnates as a hot evil woman.

>>70083125
>>70084368
>About the PomuxMsg one in a lifetime chance collab?
>Why didn't Pomu get her MGS collab
>>68035166

>>70084783
What's the point of this? Niji's management already burned two of my oshiis and I'm just sick of this garbage already. The thing I hate about Nijisanji the most is the squandered potential of the people they hire, anywhere else they would have thrived. The only bonus is the audience I guess. Artist's designs are wasted on this company too, really feel bad for Selen and Elira's mama.

>>70072958
apology?
>choco-scented lotion
>virgin killer sweater with a custom boob window
>micro-bikini underwear
>messy bed hair
>expression of regret and sorrow
sorry but if even one of the above is missing I am unable to accept her apology unless she says she did it for fun because she's an evil bitch

>>70084596
>Explain to me how Elira Pendora of First Wave Lazulight Nijisanji EN has the authority to make executive decisions?
She speaks Jap. The others don't. But you knew that, sis. You're just being disingenuous.
>Pomu was really vague
Doesn't matter, sis. It was one in a lifetime collab opportunity. And it was blocked. For no other reason than (insert reason here). I do wonder what that reason was? Was it because "Pomu wasn't the "face" of NijiEN"?
>was a big deal, something the higher ups would have to approve
After consulting who, exactly? Elira perhaps?
>pushed her as the most marketable
And that's why Elira has 2.5x more merch than her other genmates combined. Especially that Pomu whore. Who even cares about her? Not Like she had more views, or more sales than Elira.
>design sold in the JP market
Pomu and Finana just didn't, okay? It's just normal. They didn't care to ask either.
>You can't call everyone sister simply because they disagree with you or have a different outlook on things based on the vague info that we as outside observers get.
Go back to your Vox dicksucking doxxsite, sis. This is pathetic.

>>70085007
Yeah, that's NijiEN management. Unless this nigger lover and his nigger nepohire are both Elira at the same time. Hard to believe Elira worked for UMG this whole time.

>>70073010
based. we need an apologetic paizuri marathon

>>70085007
I always found it incredibly stupid how everyone just believed the MGS rrat as if that's the only thing she likes, that's a lot more believable.

>>70083973
>In the Doki situation, if Elira is apologising then a lot of damage was inflicted financially, reputationally and mentally.
So you're suggesting her apologizing would make things worse because nothing could be done to reverse pain and trauma on her end? What if she even acknowledged that in her apology?

>>70085092
>She speaks Jap. The others don't. But you knew that, sis. You're just being disingenuous.
Damn, that's all it takes.
>After consulting who, exactly? Elira perhaps?
Oh , I don't know. The guy who happens to be part-time at Niji while being a full time music producer at a rival company. Someone with a motive for sabotage. No, that makes no sense. The Ice Queen Elira rrat makes more sense because she knows Japanese.
>Pomu and Finana just didn't, okay? It's just normal. They didn't care to ask either.
Have you seen the fanmade garage kits that came from the Japanese fanbase for this year's Wonderfest? They were of Elira, Shu and Petra. I wonder what those three have in common. Could it all be early collabs with NijiJP talent?
>Especially that Pomu whore. Who even cares about her? Not Like she had more views, or more sales than Elira.
Yeah, I don't know, man. The higherups made these calls, maybe it's chauvinism or who they personally believe has more appeal. I just find the whole rrat too convenient and all the niji spy shit reads like pure fanfic. Call be a gullible retard but I'm willing to just wait and see when it comes to this whole thing.

>>70072958
She's only sorry because selen actually tried offing herself and lawyered up. Had not that happen she'd still pull her bullshit with no remorse as we've seen with the termination.

>>70072958
I'll forgive her but I'll never forget.

only if the apology includes nude dogeza

>>70085610
What? When was there a law team involved? This just seems like a friend really let down a friend here by being as toxic as it gets. I don't know what a lawsuit has to do with this or how a toxic friendship is punishable by the law.

>>70074288
In a perfect world where pride and spite don't exist she'd apologize.

>>70075025
Look at this cute nerd

>>70085750
There was no friendship in the first place.

>>70072958
if evil why hot?

>>70082662
go to the doxsis site

>>70085547
>Damn, that's all it takes.
Yes. As the sole liaison and interpreter, with no other managers in sight, she gets all the say. Along with her other two "long time friends" who just COINCIDENTALLY got hired too. Who's gonna challenge her, exactly? Finana? Pomu?
>Oh , I don't know. The guy who happens to be part-time at Niji while being a full time music producer at a rival company.
We don't know what collab it was exactly. But we sure don't know that it wasn't MGS. Especially after the whole Pomu fangirl fair, streams, personalized costume etc. Could have been the idol collab. Could have been the other thing. One thing's for sure is that a dream collab was blocked, and a whole lot of shit lines up with Elira being the cause. Like Yugo being booted (can speak Jap), Zaion booter (can speak Jap), Pomu graduating despite this being her dream job, Selen booted despite being one of the top earners. And ESPECIALLY the new "leaker" on /vt/, splurging shit about the clique.
>Have you seen the fanmade garage kits that came from the Japanese fanbase for this year's Wonderfest? They were of Elira, Shu and Petra. I wonder what those three have in common. Could it all be early collabs with NijiJP talent?
And that's why Elira has more than 2x merch than her genmates combined. Not an extra 50%. Not even an extra 100%. It was more than that. We're sure that Elira, who can speak Jap, but mostly streams in Eng 98% of the time, just dazzled the Jap crowd and forced them to buy more merch than her other genmates combined.
>Yeah, I don't know, man. The higherups made these calls, maybe it's chauvinism or who they personally believe has more appeal. I just find the whole rrat too convenient and all the niji spy shit reads like pure fanfic. Call be a gullible retard but I'm willing to just wait and see when it comes to this whole thing.
Occam's razor. Too many pieces fit in just too perfectly for it to just be a string of coincidences. Not the first time it happened, and won't be the last.

>>70086030
What are you talking about they were in Nijisanji for almost 3 years together

>>70085541
No what I'm suggesting is without punishment or compensation an apology is just words and comes off as insincere. As I said certain fuckups can be forgiven outright with just an apology, but not this. Not an orchestrated campaign over months if not years. There is way too much damage for just words to even begin to repair damage. Think of the words as just step 1 of a sincere apology. If that is all she offers then the apology is incomplete and insincere

I don’t care about an apology I just want to know how this shitshow was allowed to happen

>>70072958
She'll probably come back saying she just wants to move on and pretend it never happened.

she has to coombait and basically dogeza for her crimes

>>70086535
>Yes. As the sole liaison and interpreter, with no other managers in sight, she gets all the say.
Circumstantial.
>Like Yugo being booted (can speak Jap), Zaion booter (can speak Jap),
Why didn't they speak up? Zaion called out the people who shit-talked her, but strange there was no mention of Elira? Is she that powerful that she can't be mentioned even after leaving the company?
> Selen booted despite being one of the top earners. And ESPECIALLY the new "leaker" on /vt/, splurging shit about the clique.
Ah yes, the leaker without a single screencap. At least the Luca stuff was real. This is just hearsay.
>We're sure that Elira, who can speak Jap, but mostly streams in Eng 98% of the time, just dazzled the Jap crowd and forced them to buy more merch than her other genmates combined.
Who knows? Her design is really good I guess. We can only guess who makes these calls and it has to be management.
>Occam's razor. Too many pieces fit in just too perfectly for it to just be a string of coincidences. Not the first time it happened, and won't be the last.
I'll wait and see, if I'm wrong I'm wrong. My issue is that it fits too perfectly, all the rrats and greentexts are written with a set conclusion and everything is compiled and adjusted to match the old rrats. I just find this too convenient, all this gurrat shit. Elira is this mastermind pulling a fast one over the management and controlling several underlings while also being a bumbling idiot at the same time. To me it feels like a really bad TV script. I'm also personally biased in all this, because I'm just blindsided by this garbage because I was a really big fan of the two girls currently pitted against each other. Niji just sucks and this situation sucks ass.

>>70072958
no

>>70086928
I think we're on the same page then.

>>70084783
Wait, Finana self reported?! Does anyone have a screencap of this?

>>70087771
>>69907378
See the whole thread

>>70088053
People need to take this stuff with a grain of salt. Anyone can do this. Always remember.

>>70088206
You make of that what you will, but the livers being /here/ is hardly a secret.

>>70088283
Yeah, it's still anonymous. Also I'm Enna by the way. I sucked Quinn Benet's cock in return for the info that he will be debuting as the first male vtuber in V4Mirai. Someone let Khyo and Pinoyusagi know.

>>70072958
if the black screen stream was an apology then yes. but as of right now? no.

>>70087226
>Circumstantial.
Quite the fortunate "coincidence" there, sis. Also, you didn't mention her TWO "long time friends" that got hired in the same gen. Probably just a "coincidence" too.
>Why didn't they speak up? Zaion called out the people who shit-talked her, but strange there was no mention of Elira? Is she that powerful that she can't be mentioned even after leaving the company?
Ever heard of NDA's, sis? There's a lot of bad, like, real bad legal shit you can get yourself into if you name "names". Even passingly. Especially after you sign a sun blocking pile of contracts without reading the fine print, thinking you're working for a regular company, and not a "black" company.
>Ah yes, the leaker without a single screencap. At least the Luca stuff was real. This is just hearsay.
Lines up way too well. And what screencaps do you expect after s/he said everything was wiped clean off the discord server in January?
>Who knows? Her design is really good I guess. We can only guess who makes these calls and it has to be management.
She's just THAT GOOD. And that LONG list of job applications from Niji, desperately trying to fill missing roles that were missing up until now? Negligible. Don't dig for the truth. You'll die for Enna anyway, right, sis?
>I'll wait and see, if I'm wrong I'm wrong. My issue is that it fits too perfectly, all the rrats and greentexts are written with a set conclusion and everything is compiled and adjusted to match the old rrats. I just find this too convenient, all this gurrat shit. Elira is this mastermind pulling a fast one over the management and controlling several underlings while also being a bumbling idiot at the same time. To me it feels like a really bad TV script. I'm also personally biased in all this, because I'm just blindsided by this garbage because I was a really big fan of the two girls currently pitted against each other. Niji just sucks and this situation sucks ass.
I obviously can't tell if you're actually a sister, but Occam's razor reigns supreme. And if you're a regular fan of one of the talents that got caught in the shitstorm by chance, it sucks fucking BIG, I'd imagine. Again, way too many peaces fit just way too perfectly for this to be a long string of coincidences, and it won't be the first time. We'll have to wait and see. But Nijisanji in general has done NOTHING to address this shitshow, other than throw more gasoline on the dumpsterfire.

>>70088365
Thanks Enna, can you do collabs with Justin Ly again, those were fun.

>>70087226
The problem is the gurrat was intended as basically fanfiction. You never treat anything that comes from /here/ seriously. When it broke containment then everybody implicated or has a vested interest in it NOT being true shit their pants. You have the sisters collectively losing their minds (well they're in that state perpetually but you know what I'm getting at) 39IQDaph shitting the bed. You have the ringleader going into lockdown. On top of a procession of talent leaving/terminated in the last 12months. (Niji en has lost close to 1/4 of it's talents that have been around more than a year, which is a massive problem and not the sign of a healthy business) The Gurrat is being willed into reality as it broke containment by external parties and who knows what other skeletons are hiding in NijiEN's closet. (Every business has skeletons, NijiEN isn't alone)

The only apology the vtuber world will accept is if Elira's clique along with the entire nijisister fanbase commit mass seppaku.

>>70088643
Sure thing, you fucking bitch.

>>70072958
I would have but Nijisisters made me fucken hate her and Niji as a whole. Now I want the whole corpo to tank regardless of who was in the right or wrong. I hope the bitch dies and it all thanks to Nijiniggers.

>>70088647
The business model they had was simply unsustainable for the Western market. They expanded to quickly and didn't care about what resources of management they offered. The whole management situation is insanely foggy. From what I remember of the times Elira and Pomu mentioned managers or "mane-san" I was under the assumption that all the people in the first wave basically had a personal manager Hololive style but what it seems now it was someone they couldn't reach and that person talked to them first instead. If you remember Zaion getting reprimanded for messaging a manager. Maybe it was different for later waves. I honestly don't know, I'm just rambling at this point.

>>70089058
So they don't understand the market they're operating or they're not allocating resources properly. Either way anon it's not a good look for employees, fans, investors or sponsors. It's like the difference between being negligent or being stupid. Neither is good

>>70089371
Yeah, Nijisanji's management and CEO are garbage. The core cause of any work culture issue that developed along the way.

>>70072958
Pretty sure if she does that becomes a legal admission of guilt that can and would be used as evidence in a court of law as an admission of guilt which would allow Doki an open and shut case.

Honestly, I don't want her to apologize. Not because I don't think she should but because I don't think I'd believe her. I don't want her to grovel constantly and step on eggshells but to do better and just be a better person. Apologizing in todays day and age is also like bloodletting in a sea full of sharks. Don't fucking do it just commit to being better.

>>70072958
1. It's not me that she needs to apologize to.
2. No.
I have to mention that an American once told me that some Christians do practice the whole "turn the other cheek" stuff where there are instances of them forgiving the murderers of their family members. For comparison, forgiving in Islam is good too, but the punishment set by law must be carried out regardless. If Elira is convicted by the laws of her land, she should be punished in accordance to it, forgiveness or no. We can't have monkeys running around while driving people into suicide and getting away scot-free.

>>70090340
Islam is gay and so are you.

>>70090574
Stay mad.

>>70090731
Guy, you punish people for "shirk" or whatever the fuck that is. That's a bigger sin in your religion than murder or any other transgression.

>>70072958
Maybe. The most recent "leaks" suggest that she seriously intends to just go back to streaming as if nothing ever happened and if that happens, she deserves to get (virtually) crucified. But if she instead makes an actual apology and addresses the things she said in the black screen stream (how she basically said a bunch of bullshit and painted Selen in a bad light under false pretense), I would be willing to hear her out. I'm primed to expect more bullshit again though, so if she starts lying again then she can fuck off.

>>70072958
I will embrace her with open arms, waiting to renew membership for when she is streaming. She has nothing to say sorry for, reading one hastily thrown together corporate script doesn't matter to me. I'd execute 100 Doki's to make Elira smile if needbe

>>70090889
Yes, and? I'm giving you the perspective of two different religions because I feel that many people who want to forgive Elira equates forgiveness to no punishment. There can be forgiveness, but the punishment for her crimes should stay, IF she's convicted. If you don't agree, fine.

>>70090974
Based.
No one can influence me by dictating what I should like or not like. The wailing and gnashing of teeth rolls off my shoulders like a brief winter rain.

>>70072958
If part of the apology is graduating, then sure. Just saying "I'm sorry is rather meaningly if there's nothing to back that sentiment up.

>>70090974
Heroic post.

>>70088053
>>70088206
After sleeping on it, that could have been a poor choice of phrasing. Like they meant "If I were in her shoes I would play what I want to play, viewers can leave if they don't like it". So I take it with a grain of salt.
It'd be too pathetic if that actually was Finana, blaming everyone but herself for her current situation.

>>70091164

>>70090974
What if her return stream is to annnounce her retirement as she's carrying Uki's baby and not yours? Would you feel the same?

>>70091466
Uki? The guy who looks like the chink version of the adoring fan irl and is gayer than Liberace?

>>70072958
Only if she posts her fat fucking dragon tits

>>70072958
only if she does so with those big boobs out

>>70091583
Yes, she deemed his seed superior to yours.

>>70090974
Same friend

>>70072958
>Will you accept her apology is she ever cums
it was her circle of friends, it was her fault since the start also nijien needs another white woman

>>70091280
The leaker mentioned she wanted help to diversify her content. Technically I'd believe the leaker less than Finana posting right now, but they did give some ways to check if what they're talking about is true (in the future) so it's a kind of wait and see at the moment.
It makes sense that she would be somewhat frustrated with her situation (even ignoring everything else going on). I lean on more likely to be her than not, considering everything the feesh did, but like you said, grain of salt.

>>70091169
Indeed, a true fan cares not for the fate of random scrubs, only their oshi.

>>70072958
She wouldn't mean it, so no.

>>70091466
He's the gayest twink on earth. So I'd assume he raped her when he was high or something, then I'd have to kill him too. Then I will help her raise the child as if it were my own, making special care to beat the gay out of it if it ever flares up. I would oil baron her to a life of carefree happiness. We'd hire some flip housekeeper that doesn't speak English, call her Selen and yell at her for fun. God that would be a dream come true!

>>70091207

>>70091629

>>70092045
>We'd hire some flip housekeeper that doesn't speak English, call her Selen and yell at her for fun.
Ok anon, as much as I despise Elira I laughed at this.

>>70092205
I hope we can get back to the good old days of mocking everything and having fun again. way too serious around here now

>>70083774
>>70084596
I just want to point out this is a huge goalpost shift. You went from "You must be an idiot to think..." then when called out, you moved to "well we're outsiders, so who can really know, its all equally likely."

She doesn't need to apologize. She was here before you faggots showed up. She will still be here after you faggots leave.

>reach out to Doki personally
>make amends
>Doki must accept and make a public statement that the two have come to an agreement
>step down from Nijisanji and forego a graduation stream
>never create content ever again
but she's barely a fully grown adult and too immature to accept responsibility so this will never happen.

>>70090974
>>70091629
Interesting. These posts are incredibly based (because you stand by your oshi no matter what she does), yet also you should kill yourselves because fuck Elira and what she did.

>>70072958
I don't know if she's an actual chink, but she definitely appears to hate losing face as much as they do. She'll never apologise. If she ever touches on the subject again, she'll only make it worse.
If she were to make an apology to me it would be baffling. I'm not the one she should be apologizing to and quite honestly the amount of harassment they subjected that mentally ill girl to isn't the sort of thing that should be given by words. She should seek a career outside of being an entertainer online.

She has nothing to apologize for.

>>70092803
the duality of man. It's like that old question of if you could save your dog or a total stranger, which would you save? I'd save me dog. I love my dog. Fuck sone rando, they can die in a fire for all I care. Selen is a rando to me, never liked her, never watched her. I don't care about her fate.

>>70083877
i think dokisisters really love the evil elira look and they cant stop thinking about her. they make multiple daily threads about elira and elira fans could careless about doki.

>>70086426
i don't know where that is

>>70093355
Where’s the Elira supervillain art?

>>70079125
>is holding grudges always correct?
Yes

>>70092709
ok hear me out. niji finds some golden bullet that will ruin Doki. They tell her to make a statement completely exonerating Elira and saying her 'sister' is a wonderful person and helped her so much through these trying times and was always there for her. That she was mentally in a terrible place and jumping at shadows. Elira comes back to heroic welcome, Doki gets to stop looking over her shoulder as doing that squares her and niji away. everyone washes their hands of it and moves on.

>>70092447
Yeah, I was mad and calmed down some. My oshii is not a prop in some gay rrat.

>>70093355

>>70088530
>She's just THAT GOOD.
I mean you dokisisters keep making good art of elira and cant stop thinking about her everyday. I think shes got the best design in Niji.

>>70080947
Maybe short term. Long term I'd think it improve if followed up with action. Everyone loves a good redemption story.

Finana I know you're lurking /here/ please post a selfie with tits out I am on my hands and knees

>>70072958
Nope. My only hope is she rots away in Niji forever, and they tighten the leash on collabs so I'll never run into her on any other content.

>>70093425
Oathbreaker Elira.

>>70093355
You don't need to be a dragoon to enjoy a classic "fuck around and find out" moment, they made the bed now sleep on it.

>>70072958
Post yfw when her return to streaming is a 3D stream where she does a naked dogeza for her sins

>>70093812
she's so fucking hot, she gets all the best art

>>70072958
The only way to save her is to make an elaborate lore event where she becomes an evil cunt with a new 3D model that reflects the corruption and keep the Kayfabe from now on.

>>70072958
No I never cared about niggersanji I was just enjoying the drama

>>70093425
Im currently drawing this, does this count?

>>70094140
You're a faggot for liking shindol.

>>70094140
is rape involved?

>>70072958
Words are cheap. Give 100% of the revenue from your channel to a charity of Dokibird's choice for the next 12 months and then we can talk.

>>70072958
Words are cheap. But letting me use her cunt for a quarter of a year would make up for it.

>>70093553
Thank you anon. It takes a strong character to admit a mistake.

>>70094234
anon im not that good of an artist

>>70072958
I just want someone to bully so no

Maybe if she can paint a convincing target on someone else for me to justifiably harass

>>70091830
That's hardly a prediction though. With the numbers she's getting, she's gonna have to diversify her content whether she wants to or not.

>>70093495
Their 'golden bullet' was that they took 37 hours to respond to Selen, told her not to upload a video because of the presence of some IP Anycolor owns outright and she ignored their instructions. She shouldn't have done it anyway, but the fact remains that their golden bullet was actually just yellow colored confetti and nobody was impressed by it

>>70083343
Selen Alter

>>70095222
>that amount of cutoff in CCV
Finana how do you fuck up this hard? Holy shit.

>>70072958
apologize for what? not streaming for a few weeks? that happens

You guys love a redemption arc in anime except when the anime character is real it seems

>>70094844
Do it, if not for yourself then for me to get a boner

>>70096410
The people who are interested in that arc for her aren't here.

I honestly want Nijien to drop the act and just go full reality tv schizo. Mean girls live. Name calling, gaslighting, giving each other eating disorders, sabotaging each other. Spreading rrats here and doxxsite. Triggering full on menhera episodes every stream. I would member each and every one of them

>>70096947
alright i'll try after this page though, but you gotta tell me which elira hole should be pounded?

>>70097248
There's only one hole that gets her pregnant

>>70096410
I care about it if the villain is well written. Elira isn't a well written villain. Her rationale is shit and her objectives and motives seem pretty boring.

>>70092709
>must accept
She does not have to

>>70096410
A redemption arc requires the villain to try to redeem themselves. We've seen no hint of that from Elira.

>>70097796
NTA, but I don't think they're saying Doki 'must' accept as a requirement for Doki, but as a requirement for anon to forgive Elira. If Doki refuses to accept, anon won't forgive Elira.

>>70096410
>You guys love a redemption arc in anime except when the anime character is real
that's because redemption arcs in anime are written by writers who know how to write a good arc. real people are fucking idiots.

>>70097935
>>70098328
And you keep shooting that all down because to you fags "words are cheap" and "actions are just damage control." Then you call her "manipulative" even though that's far from her intentions.

>>70098443
>And you keep shooting that all down
no Elira, you're only saying this because you refuse to do the ONE thing that woudl redeem you. give a good enough apology to Doki that she accepts your apology. but you're so adamant against doing that and coming here to ask for advice it's pathetic.

>>70098443
What words or actions has she taken to redeem herself? Like yeah lots of people ITT are preemptively calling her bullshit but she hasn't even made the attempt.

>>70098443
>That style of writing
Finana, is that you defending Elira on her behalf?

>>70073302
Because the things written in doki's document were written at her "darkest time" mentally, heavily exaggerated, and was very upsetting for Elira and other Niji talents to read.

>>70098848
>changed from you fucks to you fags
plausible

>>70093495
if something like that existed it would have been used by now. anycolor would publicly execute elira and take it off her corpse if she wouldn't let them use it

>>70099158
Nah no matter how much evidence they had, doki would win because doki cannot do anything wrong

>>70099313
>Nah no matter how much evidence they had
if they really did have that much evidence the lawsuit should be a piece of cake.

>>70072958
Now many raccoons did she kill with her ass? I care about all the innocent raccoons. I won't forgive someone who abuse the poor raccoons.

>>70098564
First off, I'm not Elira. Second off, refuse? Doki is in all likelihood the one refusing to communicate if anything. Then you're left with nothing and this is exactly how you fags chased Sayu away from her old friends. By telling her that she had to shut up.
>>70098573
Acknowledging her own faults and doing things differently compared to before? Oh no, that's just "damage control" and "manipulative." Fuck off.

>>70099505
They can't sue her in Canada. There is no lawsuit and the war is already over because doki already murdered Niji's PR to the point they can't even walk anymore

>>70099650
>this is exactly how you fags chased Sayu away from her old friends.
no way you're this dumb

>>70099650
Notice how the poster negated the claims about being Elira but didn't say anything about being identified as Finana.

>>70099936
I'm not Finana either retard. You need to cut the obsession with NijiEN being evil. They fucked up with Doki, yes, but maybe they're trying to find ways to reach out so that both parties can reach a settlement OK?
>>70099870
Yeah you fags literally told her that she had no chance to redeem herself a few weeks ago and that her feeling sad was "tone-deaf." Fuck off. You're just as bad as the sisters. Let people work out their differences without you fags meddling in their bullshit using mob mentality tier reasoning.

dont even know what she did if anything, its fun to larp management and leaker clique shit. Real world we have no idea if she did anything at all. That being said she never did anything to me, if doki was fine with her i'd be fine with her and if it comes out that she didn't bully then shes fine.

>>70099650
Please link me to one stream or tweet she's made since the Black Stream in which she acknowledges her faults or says she'll do thing differently, and I will kneel to your bitchy dragon oshi.

>>70100144
>you fags literally told her that she had no chance to redeem herself a few weeks ago
You're actually insane if you think you're talking to the people you're raging at, this is a void and you are screaming in it.

actions speak louder than words

>>70085053
I want them to fuck off. They've proven time and time again they don't want to fuck off and won't until it stops being lucrative. Just gotta give them more rope to hang themselves with. If they actually manage to play nice for a few weeks I'll be happy though and stop.

>>70100144
Sayu was chased off of NijiEN by the members and managers themselves and then harassed further by the fans of the company. No wonder she doesn't want to communicate with anyone inside NijiEN.

>>70100447
How the fuck would I have access to private logs?

>>70100488
She did, until sisters cancelled her again

>>70101029
So you concede that, even if people here would probably call it fake anyway, Elira has still made no attempt to redeem herself yet.

>>70101230
Finana, what are you saying? When was Sayu cancelled a second time? What?

>>70101321
You wouldn't know because you don't literally know them. But I would assume an attempt will eventually be made. What I do know about Doki is that her mind's probably made up and she's not going to engage with any sincere attempt regardless, just as you fags wanted this whole entire time.

>>70072958
Yes, once she appears and says something that crushes the soul of every remaining NijiEN fan and sends the Nijisisters into a frenzy of physical hostility.
If not, I'll settle for unrepentant openly evil Dragon Bitch Elira after embracing the kayfabe.

>>70101450
>But I would assume an attempt will eventually be made.
When you assume, you make an ass of u and me.

>>70084368
that's right, filthy Armenian dog, Tazami Riku is a proud TURK

>>70099650
>Second off, refuse? Doki is in all likelihood the one refusing to communicate if anything.
maybe you shouldn't have driven someone to commit suicide twice? you're not owed forgiveness.

>>70072958
only if she does it using a naked model on fc2

Nah, I still think she is a snake. Words are cheap = apologies are cheap. Actions are what I want, and she has been up to nothing but wrong moves.

Would you forgive someone that made your workplace miserable for years?, destroyed career and ran a defamation campaign EVEN after you left?
If you can you're a cuck and you should kys.

>>70101390
After her breakdown during the subathon the hate reignited and it was pretty bad. She ended up abandoning her twitter account for months to try to get her head back. It got so bad that her discord ended up making a channel just to make kind fanmail for the manager to send to Say to help cheer her up.

do you think she gets sluttier and sluttier outfits because she can't figure out how to help with her sub count until it got to this point?

first thing you could do is probably apologize for making that blacklist rentry

>>70096410
Redemption arcs in anime are written to let the audience see everything they need to root for the character. This will not happen with Elira. Redemption is not something easily conveyed through streaming. The Niji EN culture, the way she leads, whether she can reign in the clique: none of these things will be visible to us. If she was directly involved in the bullying, how do we know she stopped? If Enna continues to be a bitch, how do we know she isn't still enabling her? You can only take her word for it if she says anything at all, and that requires blind trust.

>>70101693
So what do you want Elira to do? Fuck off? Die even?

>>70075851
most sane poster

>>70102258
>Fuck off? Die even?
you can tell it's some 17 year old twitterfag typing this because they always go to the same extremes. stop sucking her dick so hard and grow the fuck up. elira's an adult and she can do the adult thing and take responsibility for her fuck ups. she doesn't need you to defend her honor on 4chan.

>>70101992
Sisters will continue to try to dehumanize and cancel Sayu for the rest of eternity

>>70101992
This faggotry is why NijiEN and its sisters should forever be pariahs and the yacht must sink.

>>70101992
I see. I still find it confusing that the anon is conflating the sisters who disapproved of Sayu for nearly a year with her fans.

>>70101895
Everyone knows Elira had no reason to do all of those things to Doki, are you saying apologizing would make it worse?

>>70102346
>elira's an adult and she can do the adult thing and take responsibility for her fuck ups
I thought that was "damage control." Any apology is "manipulative." It's never enough with you Dokifags. Fuck off.

>>70102564
I understood what the poster said as that Doki forgiving Elira for driving her to suicide would paint Doki as a cuck.

>>70093992
my nigger in Christ that's AI

>>70087226
>Who knows? Her design is really good I guess. We can only guess who makes these calls and it has to be management.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>70102258
regaining trust and goodwill is not something that you can do overnight, its a long and very difficult process.

There was no bullying. Selen attempted suicide because she felt abandoned by her friends who didn't take her side against management. Her lawyer convinced her to threaten Niji with a lawsuit full of extraneous bluffs in an attempt to walk away with a larger sum of money, but she changed her mind when she realized it would take too many months to come to a settlement.

>>70102665
>It's never enough with you Dokifags
kek. you don't actually want elira to be redeemed. you just want to start arguments here because you got your ass handed to you on twitter.

>>70102665
she hasn't even streamed in weeks
elirafag, fuck off

>>70102665
maybe go back to the doxxsite sis?

>>70102801
I understand that. But it's not like she shot up a school or anything. That's what you're all making it out to be like.

>>70102852
nobody asked you to write a fanfic

>>70102890
Yes I do faggot. I know she's capable of redeeming herself. You just don't want it to happen because you need a punching bag for your deep seated obsessive insecurities.
>>70102899
Because she'd be crucified by the public if she came out? Could it be that she's aware of how bad she fucked up and that now she has to make it right one last time? Oh yeah, that's right, that's just "damage control!" How "manipulative" of her!
>>70103003
What doxxsite you faggot?

>>70072958
Not until I'm sucking on her toes one by one.

>>70103026
>school shootings what aboutism
The topic that is being talked about is someone implicated into driving a person to attempt suicide.

>>70103181
you know which one sis, you are not fooling anyone.

>>70103282
And you're just saying she just needs to fuck off and/or die for her sins. I guess maybe what she did was that irredeemable after all. No matter what she tries to do, it'll just be "damage control" and "manipulation." You fags are like high schoolers and your grudges. If that's how Doki is on a maturity level then maybe Elira SHOULDN'T apologize to Doki, especially when you've implicated yourself that she shouldn't even engage with her. No matter how hard she may want to try, it's just never enough, because as you've said it yourself, she drove someone to a suicide attempt (twice), and that itself is nonredeemable. I get it. Just erase her, Riku. Erase her.

>>70072958
>thinking women give genuine apologies to save their job / income / face
Anon...

>>70103684
Does anyone give out genuine apologies? As far as I'm concerned all apologies are bad, even if they're sincere. That's the mentality espoused here.

>>70072958
Anon she's done. She isn't coming back. Unironically the only way for her to salvage her career and not become the villain of EN Vtubing would be too collab with Dokibird resisting the blame back on the company.

But life isn't a movie and just because you wish for something doesn't mean it will happen the way you want.

>>70103590
>I guess maybe what she did was that irredeemable after all.
YOU'RE FINALLY GETTING IT. HOLY FUCKING SHIT, CONGRATULATIONS. you might actually have working brain cells!

>>70103684
Even an insincere apology shows she at least hears and cares about what her fans think about her, even if she still doesn't think she did anything wrong.

>>70103759
>Does anyone give out genuine apologies?
Elira's clique certainly won't and who could blame them when they're surrounded by sycophants like you?

>>70103590
You're attributing me words that I didn't write. I don't wish for Elira to fuck off or die, maybe others do, but not me. I would be satisfied enough if she and everyone else in the company don't touch the subject ever again, leave Doki to do what she thinks is best for her instead what you think would be best for her.

>>70072958
No

>>70104034
And what next? Fuck off? Forever? Live with the consequences of your own actions forever? Die of despair? All the while you've been meaning to apologize for the past 6 years albeit to no avail because you keep saying that any attempt at an apology is a bad idea? I guess you're right. Elira should just fuck off and disappear forever. That is what you want, right?

>>70104331
>>>70104034(You)
>And what next? Fuck off? Forever? Live with the consequences of your own actions forever?
yes. you made your bed. now lie in it.

>>70104113
Fuck off, I know I would if I were in that clique or Elira herself. The problem is attempts are being made albeit to no avail because the other side refuses to listen.
>>70104187
What about privately and asking Doki for how she felt the whole time?

>>70098443
>>70098443
And why should anyone trust Elira is sincere? If in this hypothetical scenario she's apologising, she's manipulated a situation to try and benefit her and maybe her cronies, ergo the need for an apology. Prior bad acts make it extremely difficult to accept her words at face value. If she's apologizing that means - she's misled JP handlers about the situation, she's misled Doki about the situation, she's misled her fans and Doki fans about the situation. A web of lies and deceit make her credibility and sincerity questionable. So don't sit there and and say trust me bro - she's got good intentions when the entire situation is caused by lies and deceit.
I've also not seen one action suggested that doesn't favor Elira. Everything suggested so far is a slap on the wrist type stuff. Considering the damage done, they're pathetic suggestions. They do nothing to compensate for the trauma, loss of income, loss of opportunity, loss of reputation experienced. At least try and remedy those things. That's why people are shooting them down.

>>70102258
A groveling public apology + financial settlement would be a good start.

>>70104331
You should seriously consider leaving this board for your own mental well-being friend.

>>70104499
What good is gonna do to Doki to delve in memories that hurt her so much? That is why I'm saying that it would be better if everyone associated to the case leave it behind.

>>70104331
There's such a thing as career ending mistakes in real life. I don't even have any particular grudge against her, it's just that everything leading up to and including the black box stream really is that damning. Her only hope here is that the god rrat is off the mark and she wasn't that involved in the failings of management and PR.

>>70104523
>public apology
May not be the best idea if Doki doesn't want the spotlight and unwanted attention

>>70104946
The actual best case would be a private apology and then a statement from Doki acknowledging it. It wouldn't fix their reputation for shitty management, but it'd do wonders for a potential redemption arc without putting heat on anybody.

>>70104946
ok make it a grovelling written apology sent to her lawyer+ hefty financial settlement

>>70104499
We're back to the situation you imagine is happening?
>the other side refuses to listen
If that is in fact what is happening, it's entirely Doki's right to ignore her abusers until the heat death of the universe. She's not in the wrong in any way, shape or form for refusing to communicate with these people. Your attempts to frame Doki as a bad person if she were to move on with life and ignore NijiEN is positively ludicrous in this scenario.

>>70104846
The other side admitting they were wrong to do it? And that there was no reason to do it at all? Because she undermined her own coworker and now feels her pain that she endured for almost 3 years?
>>70104888
You kind of have a point then. Elira's right action would be graduation if this were the case. As her RM you'd pray for her to not be the person she was with Nijisanji.

>>70103759
That anon here, I agree with you. Words are CHEAP. I want actions or for the person who wronged me to fuck off.

>>70103590
Everyone can be redeemed, yes, and a genuine apology can go a long way.
The thing is, Elira showed that she has no remorse, quite the opposite, she just doubles down when the wisest move would have been to just shut up.
She never gave a reason to assume that she has just a tiny bit of decency, she seems like that kind of person who demands everything without working for it.
She seems to be that typical Canadian womeme on the mental level of a high school girl.
The reasonable assumption would be that she's emotionally incapable of saying sorry.

>i harassed someone with my group of bullies so badly she almost killed herself
>i feel bad but why won't she talk to me?
>i need to apologize so i can feel good about myself again!
do you realize how retarded you sound?

Did she ever feel sorry for fucking over the other talents until they left?

>>70105466
no. they celebrated each time.

Look, it's like GFE. She clearly doesn't actually regret her actions, and we know she doesn't feel bad, and she knows that we know. But we all collectively agree to pretend.
But that only works if she puts in the bare minimum effort to apologize, whether it's sincere or not. It's called professionalism.

>>70105330
And yet, you refuse to believe said actions are happening because you don't want them to happen. It's just a neverending grudge.
>>70105333
What if she isn't satisfied with her actions?

The only apology I'll accept is if she rims my ass.

Threads like this always devolve into shitty fanfics

I'm starting to get the feeling she is /here/ and trying to get a read on the situation from the masses

>>70105297
As I said, if the topic is brought up again to Doki, it will make it harder to leave it behind. Also, I don't think that an apology would calm someone who has been neglected for nearly 3 years, the only one who would feel a weight off the shoulders is the one doing the apology. Because of all that, it's easier to just do a ''silent settlement'', that is, cotinue with their lives as if the other doesn't exist.

>>70105641
If it cost me tens of thousands of fans a day, I'd be feeling like I regret everything I did. Maybe you're right and Elira does not feel bad about it, but I would if I were her. You'd probably think I would be a worse off person if I were Elira, because the bare minimum of effort isn't enough.

>>70103590
I'll bite the bait.
Atonement doesn't only come from the victims, Anon. The whole point of an apology is to acknowledge your mistakes and put forth an effort to either fix the mess you made, and/or to prevent this from ever happening again. If this hypothetical Elira's serious about making good on her crimes, she don't need Doki for that. She can start by fixing her attitude, the people around her, and if/whenever Doki's ready to open up again, then she can apologize to Doki and MAYBE get closure.
It's absolutely NOT Doki's job to make Elira feel better after nearly ending her life. Just like how it's not her job to stop the bleeding subs that Nijisanji put on themselves for their horrible actions recently.

>>70105785
I wouldn't doubt it at this point

>>70105826
>If it cost me tens of thousands of fans a day, I'd be feeling like I regret everything I did.
That's not regretting what you did, that's regretting that you got caught.

>>70105826
>f it cost me tens of thousands of fans a day, I'd be feeling like I regret everything I did.
the reality is that she does not give a fuck

>>70105785
I hope not because the posts I suspect are not encouraging

>>70105761
What do you expect when Elira herself is the supreme queen of fanfics, as her 1m views blackstream video showed?

>>70105350
This is poorly put. All actions and redemption involve wanting to feel good about yourself again, even in fiction. Look no further than Zuko's redemption arc and how the gang reacted to him trying to switch sides, since ATLA's got people talking again recently. What's important is that sincerity and change is conveyed. The apology would just be a starting point, not a one and done thing.

>>70072958
>bullies coworker into suicide
She needs jailtime not forgiveness

>>70105949
>Hypotetical Elira
Because of how the anon writes, it looks more like Finana defending Elira than Elira herself. Everything else you said is spot on.

>>70105785
imagine if anons catch on and start intentionally misleading those probes so the organs think it's the actual would be reaction haha

>>70106113
>What's important is that sincerity and change is conveyed. The apology would just be a starting point, not a one and done thing.
Elira's teenage defender does not understand this.

>>70072958
once she's pregnant with my child, her "career" or whatever and anything that happened therein will be insignificant

>>70105466
yeah, I bet she only feels bad about losing her paypigs and good reputation. classic case of
>the mistake was not the deed but getting caught

>>70106304
You jinxed it. Now they will be aware!

>>70105813
>Because of all that, it's easier to just do a ''silent settlement'', that is, cotinue with their lives as if the other doesn't exist.
I think that may have happened before her attempt at suicide and either Elira violated that on Selen's accord (most likely) or Selen refuses to do it herself because as much as she's right to ignore Elira here, she is quite stubborn and doesn't always listen to what others have to say.

I want elira to off herself so doki gets her apology!

>>70092910
isn't she mainland chink?

>>70106515
If the leaker is to be believed, the streamers have to ask the shadow management (Elira and friends) for perms and these type of things, so then they get in contact with the ESL real managers. This means that Selen probably had no choice but to interact with the clique, even if there was animosity between them.

>>70106515
Legally she shouldn't be talking to her directly especially in private. Any comms need to be done through lawyers. That moment to sit down and have a clear the air discussion window has long shut.

>>70105970
Sure, because that's in the heat of the moment. And sure, they plead guilty, whisked away into irrelevancy and in figurative purgatory. Is self-reflection and a will to reform said behaviors not allowed? As you've implied yourself, actions are only "damage control."

>>70072958
gib tiddy fug

>>70106142
Is that even a federal crime in Canada?

>>70106743
Let's leave it as her being a cryptid of unknown origin.

>>70104331
Unfortunately, yeah. That's basically it. Unless Elira can prove over time that she's overcome her own shitty personality and become a person who WON'T bully people to suicide and sabotage their careers, instead lifting people up like the fans thought she was, she's going to get shat on and shunned for her actions. Obviously nobody's COMPLETELY irredeemable, but people tend to stay stuck in their ways more often than not, making others skeptical whenever says they can change. Sayu's a shining example of that. She weathered the whole fucking nijisister army for an entire year, trying to fight back her haters with kindness to show that she's not the monster they thought she was, and she was able to do it to some extent, turning people back on her side and starting to grow even better than she was with the organ boost, although she's still radioactive as a brand thanks to Niji.


There's a fun phrase I love to think about. "Be the person your dog thinks you are." If I could tell her something, in this case it's more like "Be the person your fans thought you were, Elira."

>>70106242
If it's really Finana and if it was Finana recently, than she really starts to annoy me. It's as if she asks the wrong questions that all really lead to:
>How may I appear like a better person without changing anything about me?
If Elira really was the main baddie behind the scenes and/or if Anycolor decide to terminate her, then there isn't anything she can really do about it, anyways. All those "behind the scenes" characters, be it managers, other livers, everyone except fans and investors, they would all know that she's radioactive and her career outside her bubble was over.
Perhaps she does ask the right questions and everything Elira may do is find a way to ease her thoughts on her way out of vtubing and into the magical world behind a shady Canadian fast food place's counter.

>>70107507
>Implying her fans are comparable to dogs

>>70107780
I saw chat during her outfit reveal. It's a fair comparison.

>>70107507
I'm the person you replied to. This was very well said. I believe she can break free from her ego. I really like the phrase you've put forth too. I think everyone should try and do this. I have confidence Elira can do it.

>>70107718
>If it's really Finana
After the 24th, I'm starting to think she really is here: >>69907378
>Then there isn't anything she can really do about it
I agree, it's better to move on.

>>70107951
>I'm the person you replied to
No you aren't..... I will have to demand you for identity theft now.

>>70108089
Come on that's way too blatant

Putting it behind them and moving on was an option before the Black Stream. If she wants any hope of coming back now then, even putting aside the question of what Dokibird wants, Elira owes her own fans an apology for that.

>>70091602
>>70091607
this. show us the double dragons

>>70108346
Check the whole thread. It's full of what seems to be her answers to other anons.

Anycolor is a fucking black box. Who knows how people feel inside it. There's some twitter grassroot bs, a neverending stream of horseshit thrown on multiple videos and accounts from 30 different people that have exactly ONE opinion and nothing else. Everyone has their public image and pl accounts controlled and seems unable to communicate anything without going through 50 layers of dumbcuntery to say random cryptic shit that doesn't mean anything or some yass queen nonsense. Nobody ever criticizes anything and nobody is ever wrong or mistaken or apologetic about important stuff.


And they want trust.
lmao.


There will never be an apology. If there is one, it probably wouldn't count as one because it wouldn't admit to any fault or any process to make sure it doesn't happen again.
They say there's no toxic environment. fucking bullshit. Anycolor's PR is fucked beyond recognition and they're not doing anything but using the hard-earned trust of a few livers to persuade anyone that would listen that "maybe it's fine, please don't mind the dumpster fire" and they're surprised it doesn't really work or maybe they're just that out of ideas.

fuck you

>>70072958
>"im sorry, everything that you have heard are true, ive had many days to think about it and i am regretting my actions, will you please forgive me"
>no
>"i understand, i sorry to have le-"
>paizuri
>"what?"
>if you give me a paizuri i will forgive you
>"... okay"
>it was quiet the whole time this happened
>Elira slowly took off her jacket and cape
>before removing her bra she looks at me
>i gesture for her to continue
>she removes her bra and her tits fall out slowly
>her pinkish nipples and breasts dangling infront of me
>she inches forward and slowly unzips my pants
>my erect dick flings upward and hit her face
>i sit on the bed and she gets closer
>she places her breasts on my crotch
>her breasts hugging my dick
>she lets out an "aaah.." while letting saliva fall out of her mouth and on my dick

>>70108346

>>70108343
Read it and weep kiddo

>>70096410
Speak for yourself I don't like anime redemption arcs, I like anime big titties.

>>70108089
Yeah, seems like her ITT. Way too much emotion in her replies, a lot of putting words into the mouths of anons and this repeating insistence that Elira has done something nobody has seen publicly. Also insisting Doki has rejected all communication and the implication Doki is a bad person for refusing is fucking wild.

>>70108717
Not a kiddo, but yeah, I realised I got the posts mixed up.

Finana if you really are here in this thread please go for a walk and touch some grass. This isn't healthy. Ask Ren for meditation tips or something.

>>70108540
yeah make her apologies to your dick

>>70108864
If it's really her, in this post she seems to have implied that she got in problem with management because of Zaion: >>69908953

>>70109056
this is why therapy exists, mental wellness is not a joke

>>70108864
Ok since the clique is /here/.
Yo Elira and Finana, make it worthwhile for the fans who do go to your expensive little concert or the Singaporeans will troll the shit out of you.
That is all.

>>70109220
yeah that post kinda convinced me. If it's a LARP it's a damn good one. That's some new, possibly confirmed info right there since Sayu never explicitly mentioned Finana being the case she put in her story.

>>70108864
If anything, it makes me think that Finana may regret her actions, regret shoo'ing off her fans and not just moan about her smaller income.
Finana owes her fans and Sayu and apology, she should learn by Sayu's example how to get back on her feet and let Sayu, Doki and Pomu show her how to love her fans and not just their wallets.

>>70107241
No, in fact Canada will be hiring Nijisanji as a consultant and incorporating their techniques into the canuck healthcare system.

>>70109220
If anything that only adds to my suspicions it's her. Another instance of confidently claiming interactions between people that nobody outside of NijiEN should know about. Sayu never mentioned this publicly. It's not particularly convincing argument that Finana was right and Sayu was wrong in that instance either.

>>70109366
There are many specific details that many larpers wouldn't bother with, which gives credibility to the claim that it's Finana herself.

>>70109408
This whole thing is just really depressing. Elira, Finana, and the rest of the organs at NijiEN weren't bad entertainers themselves. They were relatively good at their job and had good chemistry, but it seems like the complete lack of management and bullshit going on behind the scenes ruined whatever potential good they had. It's still there, somewhere, and the right direction or support might bring it back out again, but lord knows it's gonna be hard to ever trust them again. If Niji does announce a bunch of terminations, I'll probably keep an eye on most of them and see if they ever improve. I probably owe them at least that much for how much they helped me in 2021-2022 with their content.