/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>70013835
I don't want to use Twitch. People say that VShojo can use YT if they want, but I don't know the specifics.

she's joining fuwa moco as the third sister

Staying off the internet
This bitch is addicted

>>70013835
I just want her to be happy doing what she does again. She deserves that. I look forward to seeing her again if she does come back.

Nerd your audience will follow you everywhere, just make sure you stream on YouTube.

>>70014465
Anon, it's past your bedtime.

>>70013835
Vshojo or trying to get into holo would be best for her. I think she'd struggle as an indie

I like Vshojo, but I hope she goes where ever she'll receive support.

If she goes Indie she can still apply to Hololive

>>70013835
youtuber indie or gtfo. if she makes holo that is also acceptable (which she's obviously preparing for)

>>70013835
Indie while occasionally applying to hololive.

I may be biased. But I hope she joins Vshojo.

>>70013835
If going corpo have deal breaking restrictions, go indie. Pomu already have enough friends with experience that she can ask for help. (e.g starting merch, hiring artists, writing up NDAs for projects)

>>70013835
Indie but get management/generic content creator representation for all the boring shit without them messing with IP or holding you to being part of a content org

>>70014353
>People say that VShojo can use YT if they want, but I don't know the specifics.
To explain, VShojo (more especifically Gunrun) has connections within Twitch to push an easy monetization from the get go, coupled with the fact that most people in the agency are people that work primarily with Twitch. But that doesn't stop them, and she could stream if she wants to, but probably no monetization until YT allows her, and obviously barely any raids or easy viewing for the people on the other platform.

>Knows FuwaMoco IRL personally
>Knows Kiara IRL personally
>Extremely passionate about idols and learning Japanese and misses streaming

>"UH I THINK I'M GOING TO VSHOJO LOL"

I swear if she just waits a little and if Jap isn't a retard she'll be the easiest lock for EN4 I've ever seen.

>>70013835
Indie, but only because I'm so used to watching her on youtube at this point.

>>70014671
What people don't get is she already has the audience, something like Hololive can't offer her enough to offset their take. It's not calling Holo a black company or anything to admit that, it's just math that Holo wouldn't make the best business sense in her particular circumstances.

>>70014603
But I just woke up

>>70013835
>She sounds very indecisive
She doesn't. She sounds very free right now.
She doesn't need a company. She'll be bigger than Filian if she renters this stupid industry.

For me:Anything that results in her streaming on YT
For her:The place with most of her friends and better de-nijification(VShojo) or the place that will make her dreams come true(Holo... I may be overestimating her idol aspirations)

>>70015328
Fine you can join the convo, after breakfast.

>>70015221
>Kamioshi is Henya
She's in vshojo for sure. True fan would go with their kamioshi over people they know.

>>70013835
il follow her wherever she goes fuck your tribal shit

>>70015129
She'll get monetized with a few days like Doki did, hitting the numeric milestones is incredibly easy for someone with an audience her size.

>>70015482
>True fan would go with their kamioshi over people they know.

>>70015339
>What I want to do, what people expect me to do, what people want me to do, what's best for me
>Every day my mind is going in circles
>I know you can't please everyone, but I'm also scaredof making the "wrong" choice and regretting it
>man I'm not doing anything but I'm exhausted

Sounds like she doesn't know what to do.

>>70015579
To be fair, yeah. I'm not saying it is bad to wait a few days, but you get a huge first impression in the first day, and it's likely that you can harvest a shitton of money on that day. Instead of waiting a few days and lose the heat. For example, even if no one knew originally Kuro was Mysta, there were people fighting for what is called the founder's badge, which means he got some free cash that subscribed even if they didn't knew who it was.

>>70013835
She should go get a business degree and become a talent manager for ura-idols in Japan. Maybe do v-tubing on the side.

>>70015778
Does she regret it? Sure, she can't tongue Hoshikawa, but she's tongued plenty of Holos.

>>70013835
I may be biased due to my own Oshi's newfound success and happiness but...
Fr though that NERD should do what she feels is best!

>>70013835
What does she want? A large audience? Access to 3d? Perms that are easy?
Make a list of what's most important in order then decide.

I think nearly all her viewers would like her to go where she'd be the happiest/most fulfilled, but that's impossible to know ahead of time. Also, happiness isn't a permanent state that she'll instantly attain after joining the 'right' agency (or going indie). It's striving towards a goal, seeing returns on hard-work, and feeling satisfied with yourself. Regardless, no matter what banner Pomu works under, she is an idol in my heart

>>70015311
It depends on what remains of her corpo dreams. The only one that I think she has is doing a proper 3D performance with others. But it's kind of hard to justify investing more into a company when they have their own challenges coming up right this year with Holoearth which may drag the rest of the company down due to actual vs pitched expectations. We're also rapidly approaching the point where a solo 3D can be done as indie even if some expensive investments have to be made. Wait a few more years afterwards and markerless motion capture with AI will be possible with just a video.
But I digress. For me, ideally she goes indie again but really, that decision should be whatever she wants to do that would make her the most happy and towards accomplishing what she wants to do in her career if she continues to pursue it. She shouldn't be making large life decisions that is based on what her fans wants, she needs to prioritize herself, and it sucks that she loves her fans so much to not do that and try to cater to us.

Is VShojo not a standing offer? Like, can't she go indie for a while then reconsider?

Indie or holo. I wouldn't hold it against her if she went to vshojo but it just seems like Niji-lite to me, the only upside is friends.

>pure Indie
Yeah, if she never wants to do any business in Japan. Can't do shit without a company backing you up.

I really do think Pomu should get a job on the backstage of vtuber/idol production companies. She has the Japanese and the experience, she can still stream parttime if she does that and will be way safer to get some stability and a visa.

>>70016558
Possibly.
But the indie life ain't easy, Doki has it good right now but she does Twitter callouts to get some of that stuff.

>>70016562
>it just seems like Niji-lite to me

Isn't it almost the opposite of Niji?

>>70017068
She can be like A-chan! they have the same sizes too!

>>70013835
>>70016031
My personal wish on the star is whatever gets her a collab with Doki the quickest (assuming that their friendship didn't deteriorate and became lukewarm), and that probably means indie.
But there is also >>70014651
I think she might have missed her chance to get huge numbers.
Hololive would be the golden ending if she does have Idol aspirations, which is a point of contention
Vshoujo has Henya, but anyone hoping for a future notPomu/Doki collab can kiss their hopes goodbye because Matara is apparently on good terms with the Niji clique
But that's just what i want, so in the end it really doesn't matter

>>70016562
How is a talent first agency like Niji-lite to you?

>>70013835
She's got enough of a following to do fine as an indie, she'd only really "need" Vshojo if she really loves Vshojo girls and wants to collab with them all the time or is technologically braindead and needs someone to hold her hand to turn her PC on

>>70013835
doki/selen just show everyone how useless it is to join vshojo for these "big ex corpo" lol, vshojo great for some random 2 view and you know vshojo doesnt recruit small indie, but for ex corpo that already have established fandom, joining vshojo for what? lmao

>>70017277
Zen already replied to one of Doki's tweets and seems intent on collabing with Doki if Doki is open to it. The Mata preventing people from collabing with Doki rrat is weird to me.

Perhaps it's just me and admittedly, I only ever watched Holo JP and ID girls like Haachama, Mel or Risu, but it seems as if it's just a matter of time until she joins Hololive.

>>70017277
Hope you guys don't break containment, because you post the most inane shit.

She should go indie for now and join a corp later if she wants too

>>70017951
Unless she bends to peer pressure from notNina and goes to VShoujo.
I really hope she doesn't settle again for the 2nd best option, she already did that with Nijien and we all know how that turned out.

>>70017277
>Vshoujo has Henya, but anyone hoping for a future notPomu/Doki collab can kiss their hopes goodbye because Matara is apparently on good terms with the Niji clique

what kind of schizo shit is this? Even if it were true (It's not and I think you're just biting catalog baitposts), why the fuck would that stop notPomu from collabing with Doki? At worst it just means you'd never see Matara collab with Doki, and that's assuming everything else is true.

Japanese’s corpos are retarded and wont deal with you if you’re an indie, if she want big Japanese collab opportunities she’ll need a corpo behind her no matter which

>>70017277
>if she does have idol aspirations
And that's how I know you never fucking watched the fairy

>>70017624
Not really no. In fact Vshojo being able to attract already large and more importantly established big indies shows how valuable they are.

>>70017277
People are trying way too hard with the Matara rrats

It's very interesting, this statement of indecision from her. After she graduated, I for sure thought she was a shoe-in for Vshojo or at the very least going back to vtubing/streaming as an indie in general. Now it seems to me that she left not only because of the company fucking her over, but also because she lost motivation and drive (understandable though given everything she's gone through). Maybe when she first brought up graduation to Niji management, this was her intent. But after the months went on, that fire in her eye became dimmer and she just lost the will to continue. Idk. I definitely misread her, and it'll be interesting to see what further actions she takes from here.

>>70018006
Check what thread you're in.
But yeah, if you break containment, Selen yourself

>>70018163
you better be blind or really that clueless,doesnt take some schizo who consume rrat to see atleast vshojo want to stay away from doki to gain for niji side lmao, well they are corpo and yeah nina doesnt show any shit about doki either,meanwhile yugo on the other side straight up collab with doki

>>70017843
The people who started the "Mata dislikes Doki because she is friendly with the clique" doesn't know it's not uncommon to have 2 group of friends who dislike each other.

>>70018154
>she already did that with Nijien
Mint was very small and inexperienced when she applied to Myth with no connections. She was a huge Vtuber nerd in general and liked much of Nijisanji JP. Their new EN branch was - at that time with no knowledge of the inside - the very best golden opportunity and not the 2nd best.

>>70018579
wtf you mean? i already see vshojo talents on her twitter comments congratulating her

>>70016562
I think Pomu is good enough for Holo, but Hololive is the least likely to just bring somebody in. She has to apply like everyone and they won't care about Pomu's history or what Kiara has to say.

>>70018379
give me what those example? which ex holo that join vshojo? oh none, despite KSON the great COCO herself in there,meanwhile only ex niji jump ship to vshojo,you know why? because the ship is sinking and they are dumb,the smart one? i know this is sound weird and funny,doki isn't fall for vshojo bs lmao
before you bring rushia,rushia was FIRED shes not going to vshojo because vshojo is "great" lol

>>70018854
I kinda feel bad for the Holo managers who can't just put K*ara in their filter list and forget about her

>>70018579
Check the Doki twitch rival reply tweets, you will see Vshojo girls in there.

She's waiting, Pomu...

>>70018579
Nice goalpost moving, but even then if you address the retarded shit you've just posted, but even then, Vshojo doesn't collab ban, they're entirely hands off, for better or worse. Also, Kson collabed with Sayu, so this EXACT situation has already played out without an issue.

>>70013835
I want her to retire.

>>70017624
Selen is just about the biggest outlier corpo-to-indie powered by the biggest drama storm to hit the western side of this industry. A better comparison for going indie would be Sayu (Zaion) and U-san (Yugo), who, to be fair, seem to be doing pretty ok.

>>70017624
Everybody in Vshojo grew outside of arguably Kuro, but he also cut out a significant part of his audience beforehand

>>70013835
Whatever she chooses, I just hope it brings her joy. She works hard and deserve that.

>>70019077
Funny how Kyo seems to actively be trying to filter out his audience even more by showing his ugly fat 3D face...

>>70018930
You still gotta admit, Vshojo's management is a HUGE improvement compared to Niji EN.

Joining vshojo to watch Daily Dose of Internet on stream, having an ahegao toggle in her model and doing donothons with face and body reveal goals would be a damn shame for her. She should definitely try to get into Holo if it's at all possible, especially if she plans to stay in Japan.

>>70019041
and not with doki,we know how retarded twitch fag who watch vshojo like you,but before calling ppl retarded maybe learn how and what vshojo first oh i mean from actual "neutral" glasses,not vshojofag glasses.

>>70018379
Huh? Each and every vshojowhore has either been losing viewers or stagnating for months now, that includes the ones who joined

>>70014353
they can use any website they want but most prefer twitch because despite what platform tribalfags say being a content creator on youtube sucks. the constant threat of demonetization, false dmcas, video deletions, ai bans over "reused content", random unexplained channel deletions, literally no support service except bitching publicly on twitter. the entire website is an amalgamation of malfunctioning algorithms and having your entire career revolve around it is a nightmare.

>>70018930
Oh it's some South American ESL brainlet shitting up the thread with 20 responses

>>70019357
This is rich coming from a sister kek

>>70019301
Yeah, even if she's best friends with Matara she's just not a good fit to the vshoujo culture...

>>70018930
Vshojo antis not beating the brown allegations

>>70018930
huh?

>>70013835
She should apply for hololive.

>>70018930
Sorry, don't speak developing nation.

>>70013835
rather holo or just keep doing school/indie i guess

I mean even if she stays indie, she still has damn near free access to her old friends in Vshojo, since all they need to do to have a collab is just say "hey wanna collab?" instead of having to perform fax machine bullshit

>>70017624
Doki is anomaly. Prior to her termination, her CCV was pretty low. The situation with Nijisanji that blew up is what drew so many people to her after she left and became an indie again. Massive commentary content creators like penguinz0 freely advertised her to hundreds of thousands of people who now want to cheer her on after hearing about what happened to her.

>>70019210
never said that their management shit or they are not good corpo to join,the problem is they are not good for the specific one that in the topic,which is big ex corpo who already with established fans and name in the industry.
if vshojo actually doing audition for actual random small indie looking for gem(like how bijou in holo that is used to be small indie) then its great join vshojo,but selen,pomu and their lvl? join vshojo for what? if its for collab they can just collab,freedom? again,true freedom is indie.

>>70019574
>This makes vshojo piss and shart themselves.

>>70019919
Even if they have an established community, they may still need help with all the other things involved in being a vtuber besides just streaming. I know Pomu was discussing how difficult it was dealing with taxes as a vtuber, but as we know with Kuro's situation, VShojo can readily assist with these kinds of things.

>>70020197
>3 months later this weirdo appears

>>70020197
i watched a vshojo stream this game, can you say the same enkek?

>>70018345
That's kind of true, i'll give you that, I only got into vtubers back in December, as this shitshow was about to begin, I managed to catch only a couple of her streams and immediately gravitated to her, she was amazing. But also NijiEN has never been idol-oriented, PLUS she could have been gaslit by management and/or coworkers/the clique that she's never gonna be good enough to be an Idol. Considering the shitshow we've all seen so far from NijiEN, I won't be surpised.
>>70017843
We'll see if that collab does end up happening. If it does, i'll concede.
>>70019041
I'm not saying i believe this rrat, If anything i hope it's not true, but if it is, then it's not really about "collab bans" in any official capacity, it's more likely that Matara could use subtle suggestions to her coworkers to avoid Doki.

>>70017136
Doki just realized that she has to do a bunch of business stuff to stay indie. I predict she'll sign up to an agency sooner rather than later so that she'll get someone that'll handle all the backend stuff.

>>70020310
>Piss and shit itself because troon don't likes her playing the game
>Join a corpo that throw a girl under the bus for playing it
Aside from proving your vtuber is extremely retarded and waste of space what is your point?

>>70020622
Aww are you gonna start crying now?

>>70020336
Yes you know the end right?

as long as the holobeggers don't get her I'm fine with whatever

>>70020622
the troon shit was a vshojo op to hype up pikamee's graduation and get more eyes on her redebut

>>70020391
That's how most schizo shit on this board starts. Take something that might be true if you squint hard enough, then fill in whatever comes to you in a dream.

>>70020622
> Didn't stand with either side and just wanted to not be harassed
> Was already months into her transition to Vshojo when the drama dropped.
You really shouldn't believe everything you see on the catalog.

>>70020740
Why would i when i can take the piss out of her retarded life choice.

>>70013835
Hololive is the best option.
Vshojo is a dead end, especially if they take Kyo.

>>70020969
>Mu-muh catalog
Holy cope

>>70020975
Eh she's doing fine, good even in recent weeks.

>>70021068
Isn't he a normie fleshtoober now?

>>70021076
I await your rebuttal to either of those points.

>>70020975
Triple the viewers, a strong supporting cast, endless opportunities for merchandise and events, and making the bronies cry about the sour grapes for months on end? The only retarded life choice here is your father not wearing a condom.

>>70013835
Vshojo is risky in the sense that it can easily become the clique 2.0

>>70021290
It already is.

>>70021167
Aethel confirmed he's going indie.

This entire thread is a perfect example of what she was referring to in her tweet.

>>70018706
>The people who started the "Mata dislikes Doki because she is friendly with the clique" doesn't know it's not uncommon to have 2 group of friends who dislike each other.
If you are in high school(school in general) but beyond that no. When you are an adult you pick and choose a side. I personally would never hang out and be buddies with someone who pushed my friend into attempted suicide. That's fucked up.

>>70021425
I really hope she's not basing her decision off of what brown numbermonkeys say in catalog bait threads.

>>70020751
Yeah, she cried, pissed herself and ended up beating the game still

>>70021500
What monstrosity did the clique do that warrants a suicide attempt in response?

HoloLive. Considering she's an Idol Autist it's perfect for her. Even more so after seeing Subaru's concert last night.

>>70013835
didn't she fail for hololive already? that's a shame.

Matara has been trying to poach her for weeks during the japan visit but she still hasn't made a decision

>>70018955
I'm not that faggot you're replying to but can you give me the links to that?

>>70021500
Wasn't Pomu close to Elira?

>>70019913
Her CCV was the highest of the female Nijisanji members. So it's low in comparison to the absurd numbers she's currently getting or Hololive, but she was high Nijisanji and would have been high indie.

>>70020431
she should go to vspo or mythic since shes so into esports

why are vshojo antis always brown

>>70013835
She has a stacked resume and lots of great options. The only agency I see that wouldn't instant admit her is Hololive. And only because she has the Niji baggage attached to her name. Other medium to big agencies are drooling to have her. She should be find regardless of her choice. I hope she'll stream primarily on youtube though.
I believe she can get into Hololive even by traditional auditioning from what she demonstrated so far.

>>70022016
>>>69987411

>>70021194
You made arguments? where?
She still pissed and sharted herself when prideflags tards went after her and still went to a corpo who threw someone under the bus to not anger froot and said pride flag tards.

>>70021870
Meh, some of the most kino holomems are multi-audition rejects, I think the bigger concern is holo not wanting to pick up an ex-niji, since she'd be the second ever, especially since Luna was picked up in an era where Niji was considered bigger than hololive.

>>70022063
There is precedence for VSPO to take in ex-niji's (bora I think got in to VSPO JP). That said, we don't know if Doki wants to still deal with japanese corpo autism or if the japanese agencies talk enough each other to turn her into industry plutonium.

>>70022053
No, she began to fall off after spamming Apex. I recall seeing Pomu and Enna getting higher numbers around that time. And without a boost like she got from the drama or Nina got from joining VShojo, I don't see how she would have gotten higher numbers as an indie.

>>70022407
then her only choice is mythic then. shes already close with filian and nyanners likes her too

>>70022016
In the beginning and before Niji EN, but this quickly changed. Elira must have hated her since she was far more successful and far better connected. She got much closer to Selen later.
>>70021870
Wasn't this before she even had her debut as Mint? Even Mint was just some 3view. A pretty good one, but still. She was inexperienced and small. Now she's one of the biggest EN Vtubers with a large fanbase that loves her as much as she loves it, tons of experience as a streamer and in working for a JP corpo and she has lots of industry connections.

>>70022605
Her 2023 average CCV was the highest of the female Nijisanji members. It was ~300 higher than second place: Enna. This is a fact. Maybe she fell off in the last half of the year or something, but that means she was much higher earlier in the year. Are you speaking of a more limited time frame?

Not VShojo, especially when Ironmouse is going to recruit Kyo and Mika and encourage dating among colleagues.

>>70013835
i like how vshojotards and holofags are fighting over pomu everyday but nobody cares about poor mika and where she will end up going. SHES SUPER FUNNY TOO WATCH HER YOU RETARDS

>>70022627
Mythic or MSM, neither should care about Japanese blacklists.

>>70022053
>Her CCV was the highest of the female Nijisanji members
She was below Elira, Pomu, and Enna.

>>70022825
I was referring to last half of the year, near her termination.

>>70022178
>Brown on brown violence
Isn't it common place?

>>70021870
Even Suisei was rejected once. Being a holoreject is a buff, not a debuff.

>>70022178
post hands monkey

>>70022832
>dating among colleagues.
Vshojo implosion is next then. There's a reason most major corporations frown upon relationships with direct colleagues.

>>70022857
She isn't funny and she's a whore
Enjoy Vshojo

>>70023063

>>70022661
>In the beginning and before Niji EN, but this quickly changed. Elira must have hated her since she was far more successful and far better connected. She got much closer to Selen later.
Nice job rewriting the past for your own convenience
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5kC-4MGEK4

>>70022921
The ranking of CCV has basically always been: Selen > Enna > Pomu > Elira.
The ranking of donos has basically always been: Pomu > Selen > Elira > Enna.
The one that's really hard to quantify was Nina because she fluctuated so massively.

>>70023284
well selen solos the ccv of the entire branch now

>>70023352
>now
Right now, Sayu has a higher CCV than what Elira usually got.

>>70022960
Ok, I can believe that. We do know that she has the potential to be a high CCV given her prior performance, so as long as she doesn't fall into old habits of Apex spam again she should be able to retain good numbers.

>>70022921
Potentially during the last part of 2023, but when you take 2022 and 2023 as a whole Selen was head and shoulders in first.
2022: Selen > Enna > Pomu > Elira
2023: Selen > Enna > Nina? > Pomu > (power gap) > Elira

Nina's weird. The entirety of Nijisanji fell by ~30% during 2023, so Nina only experienced half of the drop and also had a graduation buff for ~1 month.

>>70023458
poetic justice

So who in Vshojo has knowledge Doki? I'm just asking.

>>70023833
Can you translate that from ESL to English for me, brownchama?

>>70013835
I will watch her if she goes indie.
I will not watch her if she joins Vshojo.

>>70022857
Considering the way she's popping up places and her close ties with Mysta and Nina, there really isn't much to discuss. Now if she signed to anywhere else, that would be worth talking about.

>>70023561
She deserves it. Not because of what Niji did to her (aka out of pity), but because she's entertaining, cheerful and very engaged with her chat.

>>70013835
I hope she joins Vshojo because it would be funny

Fun fact while I'm looking at the 2022 and 2023 averages:
Out of all the livers in Nijisanji only Mysta, Nina, Selen, Enna, and Pomu didn't fall sharply in CCV in 2023. Which I take to mean that they're the only good streamers that could succeed on their own. They managed to either retain or grow despite the agency's yabs over the year, which implies they have a strong community independent of Nijisanji.

And now it's just Enna left.

>>70024541
hey nijisister, wasnt vox like a ccv monster? wtf happened to him? he just kinda fell off the map

>>70013835
It all depends on what she wants. Now who can give the dream that was denied in Nijisanji?

>>70024707
Didn't Mysta eclipse him hard after some time? I just saw Mysta 2 or 3 times when he was still that gay pirate dog or something hehe a literal ass pirate, get it haha. He was a good guy. You may say Mysta was pretty gay, but le retard de Vox Akuma was a faggot.

>>70022857
Given how close she is to Nina and she's fucking Mysta, of course she's going to Vshojo, there's nothing to fight about. It would be a massive shock if she ends up in ID4.

>>70024707
>>70024995
If you combine Nijisanji and Hololive's charts:
In 2022 Mysta got 4th and vox got 5th.
In 2023 Mysta got 2nd, Luca got 15th, and Vox got 17th.
Vox fell by ~4k average CCV, falling out of the Hololive EN bracket entirely.

Mysta always beat Vox in the long game, dunno about month-to-month.

>>70013835
If she want the idol dream vshojo certainly isn't the place for it.

>>70015221
She's been hanging out with Mata and Kuro all week in Japan.

>>70024707
Not the sis, but pretty sure he had a minor taiwan yab along with a whole cheating on his irl gf for reimu and then cheating on reimu for his gf arc.

>>70013835
Whoever would be best to fulfill her dreams that Nijisanji denied her, is what a fan should wish for.

>>70024995
i legit dont know i just remember alot of seething about vox mogging holos in ccv back then

>>70013835
Indie to get her bearings back, and to give Mint another chance. No, I don't just say that so I can keep my hopes alive for her to collab with Doki again...

>>70025133
jeezas are you serious? man nijis really love the fucking drama holy shit hahaha

>>70013835
vshojo is 99.99% at this rate.
she's been hanging out with Matara, Kuro and vshojo orbiters.

>>70024541
I find it hard to believe that Enna didn't fall. I remember her getting like 4k+ handcam streams weekly because of the luxiemsister buff in 2022, but she when most of the sisters left, her numbers dropped, and she cut down on handcam streams anyway in 2023.

>>70022857
>Friends with Enna
No.

>>70020751
who the fuck is this slut?

>>70015978
The point is HSKW doesn't allow Matsuri to tongue her but would readily tongue Haachama

The true NTR Protagonist

>>70025548
She went down slightly, just not significantly in comparison to the rest of Nijisanji. Did her non-handcam streams get shitty numbers?

>>70015129
This is the first time I've seen someone give the honest answer to this question.

>>70015221
Anon, they announced EN auditions last spring.

I really don't get Aloucucks.
They should at some point have realized that their oshi unironically hates them. Ryuguards have noticed, so why didn't they?

>>70018951
sirs, you're obsessed

>>70025703
Silvervale

>>70026163
as kyo said alopeeps loves getting cucked and as enna said herself she can kill a person or something and they will still worship her

If she isn't champing at the bit to get into vshojo she must already know it's not where she really wants to be. Plenty of indies would love to get in but don't have the popularity/connections.

>>70026307
who?

>>70026584
Someone who is awake when streaming i know it's shocking but please calm down and breath slowly

>>70027183
i hear she was bawling and seething pretty bad on her recent stream when she found out about mouse’s concert

>>70027183
she streams? oh sorry cant tell since nobody watches her nowadays

>>70027500
NTA. Mousefag, why are you like this?

>>70013835
I think Matara is trying to make her decide quickly because there are two upcoming things that can sway her decision, the twins and Holofes.

As a pomudachi I feel like every corpo has lots of drawbacks but being indie isn't easy either. Hopefully she can find something that makes her happy, that's what matter in the end.

>>70013835
I want Jap to hurry up and debut EN4.

>>70026472
by far the most pathetic and disgusting fanbase. i'm not surprised, the audience reflects the streamer after all. at least they don't throw money at her like pomudachi and dragoons did.

>>70027987
>at least they don't throw money at her like pomudachi and dragoons did.
Are you retarded?

>>70013835
go have a good life

>>70027500
At least she does something that is not sleeping or being on debilitating meds, she didn't kneel to troon either unlike the beaner rat.
Btw Mouse will never be white just like (You).

Vshojo
>Be with oshi Henya
>Be with ex-colleagues and friends from Niji
>Choice of debuting as new persona or ghost maid 2.0
>More con/sponsorship/networking opportunities you can take to your next life
>Get to keep identity after leaving vshojo
>But become a vshitter
>But must stream on twitch
HoloEN
>Be with idolfag bestie
>Become FWMC's kouhai
>More con/sponsorship/networking opportunities
>Stay on youtube
>But perm limitations
>But new persona is assigned to you, can't take identity with you after Holo
Indie
>Freedom to do whatever, whenever, with whomever
>Keep more of the money you make
>But you got to manage everything yourself
>But you have less of a support network

Honestly guys, Vshojo doesn't seem that bad of a choice.

>>70028160
she earned way less than Pomu and Selen, just 1/3 of Pomu and 1/2 of Selen

>>70029482
Anon that's just because she's less popular than them, not because her fans aren't cucks.

>>70029278
>>But perm limitations
Why is this a con of holo but not vshojo in your list? Are we still talking about the same company who couldn't get hogwarts perms while holo did?

>>70029201
keep seething homeless silverfag just like your oshi you will never find a place you belong to

>>70030063
That has less to do with permissions from publishers, and more to do with "you may not want to play this game on stream because of dramafaggots"

>>70013835
Who?

>>70029985
She was ahead of Pomu in CCV averages for 2022 and 2023 and relatively close behind Selen.

>>70029278
il laugh if pomu just ends up joining phase connect after you faggots have been fighting over her for months now

>>70030254
That's even worse. So much for TALENT FREEDOM.

And don't try to frame it as friendly advice when we all know what the post in question said.

>>70030430
I'd laugh too, it'd be funny.

>>70030430
I'd be down for that

Although I'm mostly a holofag, I like how clean the new JP girls in PC feel. Don't get me wrong, Pippa and Tenma are great, as are the rest of the PC girls, but they don't really give off that curated vibe you can get from some Holo talents (I readily admit not all of them can give that feeling)

To put it another way, I like Fauna's streams more than Pippa's, but will happily watch either. If Pomu would rather let her hair down and work a bit more freely I'd be down. Just please not vhoejo

pomu come home
we have sex drugs and rock and roll + blackjack and hookers

Knowing her, I think she's extra stressed out because not doing anything is likely something that stresses her out.
I really want her to whatever she feels is the best move, and I'd really like her to like free herself from expectations people might have, but I realize that is much easier said than done, especially with the amount of eyes on her at the moment.
Hate to do it, but I am once again concerfagging about the number of followers she has and the fact her stuff gets clipped. Her account should have remained much more low-key.

>>70030444
>you'll get harassed on twitter if you play this game so maybe don't do that
vs.
>YOU GOTTA SUPPORT THE CAUSE
holocringe

>>70017201
Vshojo is pro-idol now?

>>70030805
>playing dumb
If it was friendly advice that she took to heart then she never would have made that post publicly stating that she was upset for not being able to play it. It's unbelievably stupid to think that the idea of some troon raid would put them off when so many other people play it just fine. You're clearly a shill so last (You) from me.

>>70013835
Indie 100%. She sounds like she's enjoying her current life, atleast based on her tweets and spaces. Joining a corpo wiuld probably be a bit restrictive for her, but maybe 1 year from now it'll be different.

>>70030703
I actually think it's a good thing her PL is blowing up. Pomu has struggled with her low self worth for a long ass time, it's been apparent since her minty days. Having thousands of people screaming at her on twitter how much they love her is probably doing wonders for preventing her from thinking she's a wash up (Not saying she is, she's just shown a habit of poor self review).

If her PL didn't gain traction, there's a very real possibility she would've simply stepped out of vtubing permanently. She might've done a twitter live every now and again, but she'd be effectively retired. At least now we know she's deciding on 'something' (Likely which agency to sign with, if any), which means she hasn't decided to retire just yet.

>>70030893
no we are pro-do anything you fucking want. if you wanna be an idol go ahead if you wanna be a useless neet be my guess if you wanna be a chaterbate whore more power to you
compared to niji that takes months years for perms and restricts shit (so the favorite elira can steal the project) far worse than holos will ever will

>>70015777
Zaion was right about one thing, THAT fucking company absolutely fucks with every talent's brains and mental health.

>>70030993
i dunno anon you're saying they don't have permission but i literally watched a vshojo play the game on stream here you can watch it too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFcWPSdqqnU&t=27990s
it's literally reality vs. your heckin rrat that you made up

>>70013835
proof she's indecisive?

>>70031147
it reallt bothers me that almost everyone that leaves niji en has come out with some sort of PTSD imposter sydrome and they have zero self worth

i remember when matara was new in vshojo she was begging and crying to mouse not to include her on the meet and greet event because she was afraid people will riot because she thinks they all hate her and shes unworthy of any attention for the convention. wtf is niji doing to these people

>>70031147
>her PL
I thought this handle was separate from Mint's. A new account altogether specifically for her to nerd out about aidoru shit.

>>70031240
Nazuna made a public post being sad about not being able to play "harry potter" aka hogwarts. I'm saying that being forcefully restricted from playing it by management is far worse than just not having permissions, and turns the company slogan into a joke.

>>70031147
>there's a very real possibility she would've simply stepped out of vtubing permanently.

>>70031371
her fucking recent twitter post you dumbass

>>70029985
all three were far ahead of any other Niji EN girl in CCV, but Enna still earned less than Elira who had a much lower CCV. Judging by her viewer count, it would have been less surprising if she was Niji EN's top earner.
Just like Pomu's and Selen's high CCV and donos did not lead to them having more sponsorship, merch, event opportunities, Enna's high CCV did not lead to high donos.
In a business in which those two usually go hand in hand, this is odd.

>>70031460
nazuna's one sentence tweet had a lot less information than what she said on stream about the game which you don't know about because you are a dramafag who doesn't watch streams. she was not forcefully restricted it was her own idea.

>>70029278
Adding to this
VShojo
>Chances of collabing with FWMC and idolfag bestie without troubles other than talking to management.
>Able to multistream or stream in both platforms
>But likely that some of your fandom drops you because "muh VShojo" or turn around if there's some actions involved
>But even if there's more con/sponsorship/networking opportunities they can take longer due VShojo not having a huge revelance compared to something like Hololive.
HoloEN
>Chances of collabing with friends like Mata and Henya but would likely have to still wait for perms and have a limited catalog of stuff to play.
>But having to wait on a lot of stuff to get your chance in the spotlight
Indie
>Chances of getting into a contract with an agency that helps you out
>But easily taking contracts that might not help you that much.

>>70031385
You are correct. This isn't even her Mint account which people would know to be on the lookout for. This was a separate account that was privated until the day she graduated, but got ratted out by the twitter algo.

>>70030683
I think that's gonna turn her off

>>70031385
If I remember right, Dearsqn was made around the same time as Mint channel.
You can think of it as a fake-personal for an indie. So the account she'd use to talk to other fake-personals.

>>70013835
I miss Pomu. I want her to hurry up on one hand, but on the other, it has to be the right choice for her. Still pissed that Niji managed to ruin some as dedicated as her, that was a major fuckup.

I lean towards her going indie.

>>70031371
>>70015777

>>70018930
Bro should really get an english course

>>70031573
She clearly said the directive came from management, both on twitter and on stream. And she eventually fucked off so clearly she wasn't happy. You're just a diehard shill, possibly one who does it for free.

>>70031699
Mint's youtube & twitter were created in June 2020. The idol stalking account was created in March 2021 (the month before Mint's graduation)

>>70030063
>>70031460
With HL they told her it was a no-go and she just moved on, unlike you. The only issue with perms so far was Henya with Konami, but that's more of a Konami issue than really anything.

>>70031708
her lessons wont end until may at least so she wont debut until then besides she left her laptop so she wouldnt be distracted and tempted to stream while in japan

>>70029278
> But must stream on twitch
Kson streams primarily on youtube

> But new persona is assigned to you
That was a thing in early Holo, but now the talents are part of the entire process.
Perfect example is FWMC. Their individual models have tons of their personal preferences. Hell, they even included their personal pre-holo color combination.

>>70015221
>all out war lol
nah, plus i dont think yagoo has the balls to poach riku's organs

>>70031798
bitch you can't lie about something that happened on stream to someone who watched it when you didn't. are you retarded?

Given that her primary goals are idolshit and 3D concerts, I doubt vshojo is even on the table regardless of how many friends she might have there.

>>70031888
>comments on male vtuber audition announcement
I don't think Jap would care

>>70031857
Yeah she moved on, from the company lmao. Why are you acting like it's wrong for me to bring this up when it's simply in direct refutation of some shill's lie? Vshojo simply doesn't have the "talent freedom" it sells itself on and that's why it sees repeated graduations from bigger names who actually fell for it.

>>70031888
it literally was all out war for the male chuubas tribalbro. cover wanted that luxiem money.

>>70031914
You got me, it's simply my retarded illusion headcanon that she quit the company, or perhaps she didn't quit because she wasn't satisfied but because she was evil and wanted to simply harm the company's reputation for fun. I'm sure a shill like you would think something like that. Last (You).

>>70026089
So? Adding a +1 wouldn't hurt. Or they could do a project hope.

>>70031592
one misconception here but both vshojo and hololive has the power to stream on both platforms
(la plus mainly streams on twitch while kson mostly streams on youtube etc.)

its just that being on either team gives you benefits on streaming on the team’s primary platform like yt being holo’s turf and twitch being monopolized by vshojo and gunrun having deep connections inside twitch staff

>>70031888
Good thing she isn't part of Nijisanji anymore, so there would be no poaching.

>>70031798
>And she eventually fucked off so clearly she wasn't happy.
Weird because just today, she was thankful to them because they were very helpful and organized a lot of things that they left to her and she is still using
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2073203921?t=00h22m16s

>>70021425
What did she say

>>70032095
>silverfags making up shit coz bitter of being homeless despite begging for attention in vsj+ everyday
many such cases

>>70032148
>>70015777

>>70032115
Oh yeah I forgot HoloEn could stream in Twitch, I thought it was only the JP

>>70022857
100% she's gonna join vshojo. She's already collabed with two vshojo members and appeared on another.

>>70032139
It's natural to be thankful for free shit. That has nothing at all to do with leaving a company which restricted you even though it advertises freedom. You shills really can't wrap your head around the fact that she quit huh.

>>70032226
Ame occasionally likes to get revenge on her old twitch viewers by karaoking at them.

>>70032095
i know that your tribal 60iq ape brain wants to believe that management just said "no" based on her admittedly misleading tweet but that is not actually what happened. after she asked if they can play the game in japan, her manager informed her and kson about the drama with the game and they decided to stay away. kson even talked about it in english so your eop ass can understand.

your epic rrat about why nazuna left is extremely cool but you don't have to rrat about it because she literally said what her issue is on a stream. there's a trend here where you don't watch people and then are wrong about everything you say about them how weird maybe you can work on that and improve yourself. you could perhaps watch a stream and then listen to what the streamer says instead of what screeching apes yell about on this filipino basket weaving forum.

>>70022857
Why would holofags care about a 2k ccv streamer? All you see are vshojotards vs pomufags (who want her to get into holo since it's the best option).

>>70013835
Why does it matter? It’s not like she can ever interact with Kiara again.

Ooing indie is the best option because it doesn't ruin her opportunities to take an other option later on. Unless VShojo is petty then go VShojo then go indie if they fuck up.

>>70032547
Why not?

>>70032599
Former NijiEN members are blacklisted by Cover even if they left on good terms.

>>70032706
Source?

>>70032789
His ass.

>>70032706
The day the Chicken and the Roach interact you are going to shit bricks

I WANT THAT REEE

>>70021500
Bullshit, I was friends with two people who couldn't stand each other anymore for over 7 years. Yes there were times when it sucked, when it was awkward, but I never abandoned one side to pick the other.
And now just a few months ago my friends started talking to each other again after all these years. I'm glad I didn't give up on any of them.

Dread it, run from it. Vshojo arrives all the same.
They always come home.

>>70032420
And the rest of us curious onlookers who stumble in wanting to know what is up with a HoloEN streaming on Twitch.

>>70032706
>

>>70032451
>2k streamer while having the nijiID debuff
I don't think you understand, she's actually pretty talented

Also no pomufag wants Pomu to go in holo. Indie is the best (if she can make it work, otherwise vshojo)
They'll follow her regardless but they'd prefer her not get stuck in JP perm bs

>>70018579
eh, at least zen has interacted with her tweets, so they're not really staying away from her completely

>>70029278
>Indie
>>But you got to manage everything yourself
Paying a manager is an option.
Starting as an indie is difficult because you don't have the finances to establish a presence online. Pomu has the money now, so that point is kind of moot as well.

>>70032706
Kek, it's Nijisanji that blacklisted kson from collabs. Kson has been calling Nijisanji bullies even before all this drama happened.

>>70014560
I have yet to see a Mint/Doki fanart. I'm tempted to commission something.

>>70025897
it was around this time she started leaning heavily on her connection with kyo.

>>70037744
careful not to trigger uneeded drama for pomu keep it low profile so people wont start bothering her to interact with doki

>>70013835
Do whatever. Bring the maid ghost back from the...dead? Be a fleshtuber. Go back to /b/. Make a new maid/mgs vtuber character. Do anything!

...But don't go back to Nijisanji.

>>70037744
>>70037910
She carefully crafted her dramaless exit to keep her CV clean for future JP corpos who see talents as nothing more than sentient machines, so her community shouldn't get her involved in drama.

>>70014651
Can't agree more. She's no Doki

>>70037744
Does this count?

>>70014651
you can't get Doki numbers without trying to kill yourself a couple of times.

>>70013835
I want Vshojo to grow in power personally. Total Ironmouse victory. Plus she's got some good people to bounce off of there. And Matara is there.

The best possible outcome would be if she joined HoloEN as Pomura Inpuff using a similar but legally distinct model.

She’ll be fine wherever she goes.

>>70039342
She wants to be an idol and do idol things. That isn't ever going to happen with vshojo, so she's never going to go there.

>>70015221
Yeah, the last time they hired ex-niji was luna kek

>>70037910
>>70038345
Oh no, I wouldn't post it with tags and everything. That'd be counterproductive. I just have a certain idea in mind that I find cute.

>>70015221
god I’m going to enjoy the sour grapes if she joins Vshojo for some reason

>>70039234
lmao I mean kinda. I was thinking about something a little more subtle. But it's appreciated.

>>70039869
Sour grapes? Because someone Holofags posted about wanting for ages wound up in VShojo? That NEVER happens.

>>70017283
You're mistaken with phase connect kek

>>70015221
Joining Hololive is not all that easy. Advent debuted 7 months ago. There won't be a 4th gen for at least another year, if not longer. And even if she has a past in NijiEN, she is not an easy lock - you should remember that NijiEN is full of girls who failed Hololive auditions. Even Hololive is full of girls who failed Hololive auditions. Many of the girls who joined Hololive in the past 3 years, tried anywhere from 2 to 5 times and failed. Also, is Cover ready to ruin is goodwill with Niji, to get Pomu? Hard to tell...

>>70015221
already being poached and nepohired by roach

>>70041249
>Also, is Cover ready to ruin is goodwill with Niji
Not like Niji has much goodwill left anyway

>>70037744
Hopefully some really nasty r18 art, she'd appreciate it.

>>70013835
yes please join the "company" where the main stars are connor and his girlfriend

>>70041249
She left on good terms, there's no goodwill to ruin (except with Pomu maybe but I don't think they care after the Selen situation)

>>70041249
>is Cover ready to ruin is goodwill with Niji
I'm not sure why people keep bringing this up like its a real factor, if someone is a fit then they're a fit

>>70041249
>implying Yagoo won't make an exception to the schedule once Kiara and FWMC are all begging him in person next week

>>70027183
Silver with her old shtick, yet refused to go full parasocial kek

>>70030444
nigga, holoEN went the same route about hogwarts

>>70030063
Show me a HoloEN that played Hogwarts, Silver played it which shows there was no perms issue in Vshojo.

>>70013835
Her previous collab with vshojo gave a bad taste. They'll probably ask about her tits again

>>70046081
You must've not been paying attention if you're still thinking about a 1 minute moment from a collab 3 years ago and ignored everything before and after

>>70032451
>>70036688
In an alternate timeline where Mika and not Hana was a founding member of NijiID, there's a much better chance she'd be willing to shoulder the branch and any scorn that came with it to get that foothold in the west before HoloEN debuted.

>>70022857
>kuro's cocksleeve
Nah I'll pass

>>70022857
>nobody cares
They (Matara and Kuro) just gave her the most pleasant experience in ages after Niji tried to completely destroy her self-esteem with neglect and incompetence. SHE WILL BE SAVED.

>>70022857
I care. And she's coming home

>>70013835
Indie or Hololive. No vshojo cause that place is full of twitch/fleshtuber thots.

>>70050512
Would she fit in Hololive?

>>70031147
It's true. She's very self deprecating and she overthinks things to the extreme. It takes thousands of people screaming at her that they love her for her to accept it.
This isn't like Enna who will tell you to go kys if you tried to say you love her. She's the type of girl that would reject you not out of spite, but because she doesn't think she's worthy of that and thinks she's a walking red flag.

>>70013835
I'd be fine with anything but Vshojo and WACKTOR.

>>70017277
>whatever gets her a collab with Doki
what makes you think she even wants to collab with Doki? As far as i can tell, Pomu still wants to pursue working in/with Japan

>>70018278
why is it retarded? If i was there ceo of Holo, i would also have my streams work with sponsors and other corps than cater to indie.

I want her to do what she wants to do with her life and go where she wants to go. I was with Lazulight from the start, and the only reason I come to this site is to keep tabs on where she might go so I can follow.

>>70017277
Matara right now is probably doing her best to brainwash Pomu into joining vShojo, which would be pretty bad for her idol aspirations.

I don't trust that fucking roach.

>>70051074
>her idol aspirations.
Actually watch her streams and then start giving opinions.

>>70018930
mad respect to dokibird for not taking the disgusting vshojo pill. if she can make it as an indie, so can others.
>>70019210
who gives a fuck about that when you can just hire a manager like doki did?

>>70020197
Qrd?

Nah she wont go holo.
EN4 already locked and ready to debut.
meanwhile she seems still cant decide what she want to do in future.
she has to wait for EN5 if she really want to join holo

>>70050626
even VSPO?

>>70050925
Like i said, it's nothing but my selfish wish. If it never happens, but notPomu generally returns to vtubing happier and more adjusted, I will be content.

>>70032226
They could but choose not to cause most of them know the Tube is superior/more accessible platform

>>70036688
>no pomufag wants Pomu to go in holo
Says the vshojoturd

>>70050534
without a doubt

>>70050534
A lot of her streams gave me the impression that she's a Holo talent who joined the wrong company.

>>70051100
She's is an idol otaku through and through. You'd be dumb to not notice it.

>>70052034
Again, I'm not going to waste my time trying to argue with someone who literally does not watch her streams.
There's a whole archive for you to watch, mate. Give the VODs a watch, hell, put it on in the background. But don't talk this wank batter about her "idol aspirations" when anyone who has watched her for at least a month knows she absolutely does not want to be an idol.

The sour grapes in 2 months or so will be hilarious

>>70013835
>the hosts are two white people
>ahaha
Soooooo funny, Pomu

>>70052277
she wants to be a gamer and will join vspo en.

>>70052277
>she absolutely does not want to be an idol
You cannot know that with 100% certainty, especially seeing how every ex-niji exits their stage with ptsd and impostor syndrome up the ass. You could be correct, but at the same time she could have been gaslit into believing she can never make it as a prospective Idol and internalizing this gaslighting as "not wanting" to be an idol, or even management forcing her to say that she doesn't want to be an idol.

>>70052359
That was Uki tho

>>70052444
>especially seeing how every ex-niji exits their stage with ptsd and impostor syndrome up the ass
Within her first few weeks, she said that she isn't an idol and doesn't want to be and she has said this multiple times throughout her career in Nijisanji. She wants to be a fan of them instead. This mindset of hers has never changed and probably never will.
Again. Please watch streams.
https://www.youtube.com/@PomuRainpuff/streams

>>70052444
>>70052576
You are both wrong, if you actually watch her VODS you would know she really wants to be a gamer. Her real reason going to japan is doing the VSPO audition. Anyone who watch her VODs know this.

>>70052717
Confirmed, she's going to VSPO, she dropped a hint in her Akiberse MV

>>70052828
thats correct. No Cover, Phase, Vshojo or Indie logo in the video.

I haven't posted on this board in over a year . It's good to be back. I think she should really do something meta. She's been scarily obsessed with idols for almost 20 years and counting. She should do some niche super huge project where she orates the entire history of akb148 with autistic accuracy. She became my oshi slowly but surely and is (was) the only vtuber i followed after 2022. She reminds me of a dragon with how many lives she has lived. And finally sturck gold with Pomu able to support herself with her inherent autism for niche topics. Yet at the same time she comes off as socialble and is able to interact with humans better than most of her contemporaries. I say indie vtuber. She's too good for phase connect and vshoujou really doesn't seem to be a forever home for her. Hololive is out of the question but theyre plateauing anyway. It's foolish to think she has a chance but that doesnt matter . Pomu in hololive would be casting pearls before swine. And i feel like it's time she enters a more stable era of her otakudom. She honestly is perhaps the most legendary "been there done that years before anyone else did" vtuber there is. Dont believe me ? Will i still get b& for mentioning she was literally one of /us/ on /b/ so many years ago that most of her audience was in elementary school when she had begun her first steps as an internet presence in the otaku/weeb sphere. She referenced akb even back then so she really has a lifelong passion for japan that will never go away. There are teenagers who watched pomu who were not yet born when she was posting on this website that even i myself have only been on for 12 years now. It inspires me to be honest.
so yeah Pomu should just go indie and market herself everywhere and mayhe she can become one of the hugest indies to ever do it. I believe in her. I know she will do something interesting no matter what. Just a matter of when.

>>70018854
Just a terrible shame that Pomu can't go the "Mio route" because Kiara doesn't have as much power like Fubuki does and create her own gen to get her (Pomu) in.

>>70053533
She don't want to be an idol though.... she's going to vspo.

>>70053816
Just thought I wanted to make it clear because that would be the ONLY way she'd get into Hololive.

And Kiara is no Fubuki. Pomu is going to that one place /vt/ HATES.

>>70053879
>Pomu is going to that one place /vt/ HATES.
She's going back to Nijisanji?

>>70054150
>She's going back to Nijisanji?
No, she's going to Vshoujo, anon. I've heard (although I don't know if I should take it with a grain of salt) that /vt/ HATES that company with a burning passion.

After all, its where Pikamee went, no?