/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Kunai deserved better

>>69886660
How do you get a %cut of personal favors from chatters?

>>69887053
meanwhile advent
keep in mind, op's screenshot is TOTAL earnings (Vivi and her gen debuted 3 months ago)

>>69886660
shiori isn't too shabby either.
so advent in the past few days (each) have all earned more than Niji's newest gen for the past three months.
absolute state of niji
your response sisters? still going to go on about "BUT NIJI HAS HIGHER PROFITS"

Jesus christ, they'd actually make more if they worked at McDonald's or something. Sad.

Doesn't niji allow their organs to use streamlabs for donations

>>69889359
>tfw my drunk failure of a cousin who is in a dead end job as a car washer after a series of extremely bad life choices makes more money than Niji talents

>>69889301
>Shiori isnt too shabby either
>is the second highest
why didnt you include her in first pic to begin with?

>>69889657
sexo con Shiori

>>69889657
i revere her so i place her in a separate picture

>>69889908
but you used the phrase "not too shabby" implying a) you didnt know how she was doing and b) you were expecting lower

>>69886660
$2k + merch +sponsorships isn't nearly as bad a month as you make out, and Feb was a rough month.

>>69890631
>2%
Anon…

>>69886660
Over what time frame?

>>69890631
Merch is 2%

>>69889301
The company has higher profits and nijis only care about the company, the talents can die if it makes more profit for the cult.

>>69889273
Now add in that Cover pays them a salary.

>>69886660
Is the superchat amount from the last stream, last 7 days or lifetime amount?

>>69886660
I was gonna say "so Kunai makes like 3k a week? that's not bad at all" since it seemed so low I assumed there's no way that's all-time earnings. But as >>69889273 points out, actually it is.

If she kept 40% total after youtube+anycolor that's like, $430 a month.. probably before taxes too. part timers at mcdonald's make more than that. The thing is really it's memberships and potentially youtube ad revenue easily covering for that lmao superchat revenue. If she had 1000 members that's 5k a month, and I dunno how much anycolor/youtube take of membership but if it's the same ratios then she'd pull in 2k from just memberships. So like, 2400 total... pre taxes. Suffice to say I make much more than her actually and probably many people here with a job do. And that's assuming a 1k membership cap which is probably generous but there seem to always be way more members than people assume because many of them just don't talk much so aren't tracked by those sites tallying up unique members chatting. If it's like 500 members she'd better be working another job or something to make ends meet.

>>69890631
30 percent of 2k is poverty wages

>>69889273
You should be comparing their income to their indie selfs because that's the only alternative for them.

I'm bored again. Can the sisters come back for a bit or something? Uki can you attack an orphan on twitter for being born white? I need stimulus without streams.

>>69889978
Calm the fuck down, Shiori, shit.

>>69886660
Assuming that's a normal weekly average, it's not bad.
Roughly 75-80k a year for what I assume is less work than working a regular 9-5.

>>69889273
Holy shit Fuamoco are superchat farms.

Makes perfect sense though.

>>69886660
uhhh...I hate to tell you, but Vivi has over 600+ members. That's a minimum $3k a month for doing nothing, much higher in actuality, because they won't all be cheap tier and not everyone likes member posts.

>>69891550
That’s revenue before everyone else gets their piece. Take home will be significantly lower than that.

>>69890631
Dont forget the 30 to 40% you loose to taxes before you get your actual money. so more like 24% actual take.

>>69890902
Yeah. Add in members, a bit of money from ads on VODs and some additional bits of revenue from merch and they probably make a liveable wage if they live somewhere cheap.
As long as they keep their expenses as low as possible. No luxuries, no channel investments, no holidays, no sickness unless they live somewhere with good free healthcare, etc.

>>69890631
Superchats and memberships = 30% to Youtube, and then the resultant 70% is split 50-50 between the liver and Anycolor.
Merchandise = 1 to 3% depending on milestones, with voice packs being the exception as it is split 50-50.
Sponsorships = ZERO, actually 0 sponsorships for the talents in question.

>>69890874
Yearly, so it's effectively lifetime amount.

>>69889301
Yeah, niji (their oshi) not the livers

Is it true Doki said she wasnt even aware Vivi's gen had debuted?

They can't even use the merch excuse because
>2%

>>69891530
Fuwamoco is two people though, so I guess they need to earn more to feed two mouths.

>>69886660
So Mumei in 60 seconds made more money than a Niji does in 2 years.

>>69892397
They also live together, so their living expenses are less than 2 people living separately. 1 fridge, 1 front door, etc.

>>69892246
>with voice packs being the exception as it is split 50-50.
To whom were the profits going to when they did that resale of Selens voice pack after they decided to terminate her?

>>69892397
Yeah but they live together, bathe together, can cook more efficiently, etc. so they don't need double the money.

>>69889301
>>69889273
Biboo has like double the views of Shiori and half the money. Is her audience all broke kids?

>>69891378
that's total...
https://playboard.co/en/channel/UChTA8kHyInr2rKZ2aBv5ULw
granted I will say that nijiENs always do impressively well in terms of member numbers

nijiEN also just lost a ton of sponsored deals and they aren't exactly first in line for new ones

>>69892474
Shiori is a monster in terms of paying % of viewers, she's a massive outlier.
It makes Biboo look "worse" when she's really just a bit below normal on that category.

>>69892474
>1 is gfe and is coomerbaiting for supas
>the other isnt whoring herself for them
Woah....

>>69892543
You can just say you're broke, pebble.

>>69892441
to selen, she still retains the funds until anycolor discontinues her products

>>69892474
known b f debuff

>>69892636
Sister she was already terminated at the time

>>69889273
>>69891530
>>69892397
Youtube cut: 30%
Cover cut: 35%
Fuwawa cut: 30%
Mococo cut:: 5%

>>69892440
yeah that front door gets fucking expensive

>>69892474
Looking at her supers she gets a lot of SEA supers and they don't have a lot of money

Can someone pull up ID and compare?

>>69892697
Fuwawa gets 34.99%
Mococo get 0.01%

>>69892789
malnourishment explains EVERYTHING

>>69890902
1000 members would be an insane ratio for her channel.
The general ratio (based on people who have talked about it and comparing it to other services like patreon) is that about 1% of active viewers become members.
It's more realistic to assume she has closer to 100 members than 1000.

>>69892770
https://playboard.co/en/channel/UCOyYb1c43VlX9rc_lT6NKQw
https://playboard.co/en/channel/UCAoy6rzhSf4ydcYjJw3WoVg
https://playboard.co/en/channel/UCjLEmnpCNeisMxy134KPwWw

>Airani Iofifteen $90,262
>Ayunda Risu $99,900
>Kobo Kanaeru $89,093

Rest of ID does better but only Reine Ollie and Kaela are super gods compared to her and they've been in the game longer

>>69886660
I was going to start watching these two because I thought they were going to be able to stay out of everything going on. Sadly I was wrong. Maybe I will check back in a few months.

>>69891378
no anon.
that’s what they have made in total since they began streaming.
so kunai has earned 1k a month from superchats

>>69892474
Probably, it's the Kobo syndrome, lots of viewers but lots of broke kids/early 20s.

>>69889273
>>69889301
Fuck I want to be a hololive vtuber, but then I remember I'm not a cute girl but an autistic ugly man

>>69892697
Why is Fuwawa like this?

>>69893125
Are you kidding? That's tragic

>>69892397
>>69892697
>>69892789
>>69893276
>>69892823

>>69886660
>>69887053
So then fucking give you third world shitters

>>69891378
That's gross earnings before taxes and expenses they still have to have to pay out of pocket for their streaming expenses. They probably see less than 50K.

>>69892474
I think the issue is her audience are gamers that come to her cause "lol dude anime rock girl playing DMC"
Gamers are always one of the worst demographics to go for cause those niggas don't like to pay for shit.

FWMC on the other go for the nostalgic oji-san demo and are extremely gachikoi friendly. Mococo even called (You) her boyfriend in the valentine's pack.

>>69892915
Wait, that's it? I can just buy Risu?

>>69892843
I dunno if there is an exact science to it but my impression was "it's approximately similar to their low-end CCV numbers" in most cases. IIRC Ina had some post that had like 5k likes on it and people were very surprised it was just that many, and it was deduced Gura has easily north of 10k (or at least, she used to). So if Kunai is a 3view she very likely is nowhere near 1k but it may be several hundred (probably less than 500 would be my guess).

>>69891550
Surely Riku and YouTube takes a cut from that too

>>69893577
If you talk to her parents you probably literally can, yes

>>69893605
Like, take her home with me? Cause I ain't moving to ID

>>69893395
fuwawa is stupider than mococo so this rrat doesn't work. I bet Mococo handles the finance.

>>69886660
Harder to estimate, but don't forget that Apple steals another 30% of any purchase made through an app on their store. This includes SCs and memberships.

>>69893395
KEK!
This is canon I believe

>>69892770

>>69889070
The channel belongs to nijisanji and youtube always takes a 30% cut of superchat. That much is common knowledge, publicly available. What isn't known is the % that kuroniggi takes from the superchats. It could be 0% but most likely it's 60%

Kuroniggi livers also don't get a salary unlike the other corpos.
They also pay for their own debuts and assets unlike other companies.
They have to make their own projects and kuroniggi won't allow them to seek sponsors to offset the cost of projects unlike other companies.

>>69889978
It's a common phrase in the English-speaking world. Go eat a crab gill from your she'ds storm drains or something.

>>69892587
Bro we're fucking rocks, we can't get a job. don't be harsh lmao

>>69892474
Yes.

>>69886660
>Anycolor cut 30-40%
It's 50% by the way, maybe even worse since they joined later.

>>69893836
I could buy almost 4 kobos for the same price as one ollie??
This market is fucked
...

I'll take two kobos pls

>>69894222
>>69893836
Suddenly the prospect of marrying a holo seems a lot more attainable. Gonna take my USD STEMbux and go buy a harem

>>69893587
Despite some people's obsession with it, CCV isn't that useful due to how much it lives. People come and go throughout streams so a stream that has stable 100 CCV might've actually been seen by five times as many people. It also doesn't account for people watching VODs, which can make up a bulk of the views; if you look at Vivi, for example, her CCV seems to be about 10% of her total viewership. This matters a lot because memberships per month, not per stream, and video views are far more able to account for that variance. CCV-based analysis is much more relevant on Twitch due to things like mid-stream ads.

>>69894887

>>69886660
For how much Victoria is shilled here, you guys really aren't doing your part..

>>69892095
>no channel investment no sickness
this makes me sad sisters. Barely making above livable wage is so fucking stressful

Anywho, any one got info for Meloco-chan?

>>69892441
>>69892461
>Selen
>yes, Selen, the IP owned by nijjer not the talent 'Selen'
kek

>>69894222
Those numbers may seems small but it's actually massive for Indonesian. You could bought a mansion for that amount of money.

>>69886660
They use streamlabs too, so it's not as bad as it looks.
Also if you're the faggot who made the Reddit thread on r/Nijisanji, comparing this year's Enna birthday to last year is disingenuous as fuck, as there has been a consistent fall of viewers and revenue through the year, so the bad numbers are in great part due to slow bleeding and not just the current drama.

>>69893900
Why the fuck would someone join them then?

>>69893661
Yes, though her parents may also move in with her because the one thing all thirdworlder want is to move into first world countries.

>>69889301
From a purely mathematical perspective, they are correct, Nijisanji does have larger profit margins than Hololive. That’s just what happens when a company focuses entirely on short term gain, and neglects to invest in the talents and the infrastructure surrounding them. The end result is that while Nijisanji has very low costs due to pushing them all off onto the talents, Hololive (and other, smaller companies) will inevitably outcompete them in every market.

>>69894193
It's just two ways of presenting the same values. 50% post platform costs is the same as 30% before costs. It's even worse for superchatters on Iphone, since they take 30% first.

How much does someone like Hina, or Eimi do? Like, both did debut near TTT time too.

>>69895286
yeah that’s true: she was bleeding viewers and donors even before this
but the Selen controversy I think tanked most support she had in EN. 2023, 45% of viewers/superchats were from the U.S. this year, it was like less than a quarter.
this was with a big collab concert as well.
if she’s struggling… how is everyone not named Vox and Shu doing?

>>69892697
What about Mococo...

>>69894919
I gave her a chance, but... she is not that good of a streamer.

>>69889273
So happy for the baubaus. The bird getting more than Biboo is criminal but I guess she'll need it to support her eventual 5 kids

>>69895334
Not that anon, but if the events of the last year or so (and especially of the last 3 months) are anything to go by, it is to sail under the rainbow banner for two years to easily gather a fanbase and cash in on merch and voicepacks, and then go back to being an indie to now enjoy the much better profit rate on said group of fans.
That assumes you don't have (m)any major fuck-ups during your career and you still want to be a vtuber afterwards.

>>69895584
Yeah with me

>>69895584
Incorrect anon
We'll have 10 kids

>>69894919
She is being shilled as "one of the good ones", but it feels like some kind of astroturfing at times, especially after recent events although I won't deny making fun of her tragedy is entertaining kek

>>69893836
Is this lifetime, or 2024 numbers? Cause some of those talents have been around for almost 4 years, and if they haven't even hit six figures yet that's sad.

>>69895334
Utter desperation.
Vivi is a forgettable 2view without the brand, this way she at least has an audience to have fun with

>>69895461
Scarlet is doing VERY well, because she milks her fanbase Rushia style, but she's a massive outlier. As a whole the female side of the branch is in a dire state. Their biggest streamers (in general, not just revenue) at the start of 2024 were
>Pomu (graduated)
>Selen (terminated)
>Enna (reputation in taters, recoverable long-term)
>Elira (FUBAR)
>Rosemi
Nothing against the Wose, but if she's supposed to carry the branch it's fucking over. Also I was in Enna's birthday stream and the superchats were in Malaysian and Hong Kong currencies, so the western audience is gone.

>>69895724
For IDs at least, they have the excuse of superchat not being available in their own currency until around 2022.

>>69895724
The SC amount actually shows how much of a foreign audience they have. Therefore the lowest SC earners clearly only have the poor indos

>>69895780
Surprised she even got the HK views since she's clearly a Beijing Baby

>>69895803
Genuine question, how is this relevant? Do ID bros pay more for supas before?

>>69895890
VPNs

>>69895780
>reputation in taters

>>69895924
Those are illegal and I don't think they would have access to HK specific currency? Especially in their tumbling down economy

>>69895922
They used Streamlabs which means a lot of donations not included in that count

>>69895922
It's partly revelant especially for ID 3. ID 3 members gained a lot of local viewers who are willing to donate to their oshis. Yes, even kobo have donators, but i suspect they mostly donate on the donation platform like sociabuzz. Not sure about the other ID generations, since the only thing i remember about ID 1 is that they received ARS supas pretty often back then.

>>69895961
>Those are illegal
lol
>Especially in their tumbling down economy
lmao

>>69895989
>>69895994
thanks

>>69895961
Bro everyone in China uses VPNs. So yes it is easy to donate in hkd

>>69895890
Which is also why Uki's shithousery being thrust into the spotlight is so damaging as the rest of this sorry fiasco. They're losing paying customers already then this dipshit bites on dollar store bait.

>>69895955
Kek, what a missing letter will do.
>>69895961
The government won't go after you for something like that, so it's pretty safe. A lot of people there use a Taiwan VPN too. As for the economy - there's always some kind of a middle class, even in shitholes.

>>69889301
>>69889273
Didn't advent debut like a year ago? Wtf are these earnings biboo fags please donate to your oshi

>>69896050
you can tell who the tourists are because they don’t know that Coco’s entire yab was that she showed her streaming stats and there were a LOT of Taiwanese viewers.
most of them were Chinese faggots using a VPN. It was their fault, and they swarmed Coco for it lmao.

>>69895700
This you lil bro? KEK stupid bitch are you really still making deflection threads?

>>69896088
7 months
biboo is like gura/kobo: attracts the younger zoomers with little spending power
prob will make bank of merch tho, since she’s cute and marketable
Gura alone raked in $1 million USD from that sushi collab (within two weeks).

>>69896088
Biboo has a lot of members like Gura does, they just don't supa.

>>69891550
also you forget about regional pricing. A membership for a Flip like me would only cost $2.5

>>69893216
Maybe not in hololive, but not being a girl didn't stop Zentreya and Vedal from being high-earning "female" streamears.

>>69893587
Going by emote slots, Victoria has (or had ad some point) over 1200 members (31 slots), which does sound like a lot to me. In comparison, Kunai has 23 slots corresponding to 400+ members and Claude has... 7 slots which you get for 10-15 members

>>69893216
Just farm enough clout to join Vshojo and become a tranny streamer instead

>>69896243
>didn't stop Zentreya "Twitch clique"
KEK,if you can't be part of those big twitch streamer clique even if you need to suck asmon dick or something like that,you cant be zentreya and doomed to be 2 view forever.

>>69896160
How much is that in ARS

>>69896488
1,931.48 ARS

>>69896265
Wait a minute. Who THE FUCK is Claude?

>>69892474
Biboo also streams some games that don't allow superchats etc - FromSoft games for example (Armoured Core 6, Sekiro).

>>69896535
The guy with the Claw, get it?

>>69896088
less SC but she already got 2 sponsorship

>>69893704
Watch streams. Fuwawa handles their money. Which is concerning since she can't even calculate 7*10 and doesn't know that it's the same as 10*7.

>>69892418
I saw this comment flying around, what is this a reference to? What did Mumei do?

>>69896966
Charged pinksupas for tracing youtube profile pictures and made three times as much as 3D reveals in 3 minutes.

>>69895286
This was midway through December. So in a month and a half, Kunai made $150. Congrats.

Why can't you just be happy you make any money from your hobby? Getting paid just to play video games seems nice to me.

>>69897436
I enjoy making music, but if I make it my career I would expect to be paid what I'm worth.
Which is fuck all but you get my point.

>>69886660
Who even is Kunai? I completely forgot this one existed. Jesus why are there so many Nijis. It's been a few months, so there's probably a new gen in the rice cooker too

>>69897519
>my career
Who said it was? haven't plenty of Nijis said they have other jobs? Hell your only expected to stream like 3-4 hours, not work 8-12 like a normal full time job.

>>69897436
Because my hobby has become my day job and my ability to monetize it now dictates whether I eat or not this month.

Soon!

>>69893900
Source: Trust me bro

>>69897557
Whether you like it or not, live streaming is an entertainment sector no less relevant than theatre and music these days.

>>69886660
i wonder what it's like getting a check for $20 in the mail for a job you thought you were gonna be able to live off of

>>69897436
>hobby
It's their job, they need the money to buy food and keep being alive.

>>69897436
>Getting paid just to play video games seems nice to me
They're not paid to play video games, they're payed to entertain audience/Chat.

>>69897662
>twitch sends me a tax form
>for the $75 I made last year
I didn't mind

>>69897943
>It's their job
It's a job. Nothing stopping them from getting another job. Zoomers man, I swear...

>>69897999
I mean, if your employer goes behind your back to ensure you can never work in the industry again, it might affect your ability to get another job. Just a thought.

>>69886660
>look up Kunai's PL
>her design was far cuter than what she has now
>also had over twice as many subscribers
Kunai, please get out of that hellhole..

>>69897999
Zoomers actually have critically low job loyalty and will ditch a bad job much sooner than older generations will.
The problem is that the job market is hostile to anybody with less than 10 years' experience in-field right now. Which is most zoomers and even some millenials.

>>69898081
>work in the industry
You just get a job in another industry while still working that job. It's called having multiple jobs and plenty of people have done it before, zoom zoom.

>>69892440
this shit made me laugh so hard for some reason why the fuck did you specify the front door as a living expense

>>69897618
How many of the chuubas will other companies even want?

>>69898220
Finana -> VAllure
Rosemi -> Phase
thats all i care about

>>69898220
Finana? No one.

>>69898220
Let's go down the list
>Lazulight
lol
lmao
>Obsydia
Slugma and Fishman are absolutely prepping their nets for that poaching expedition. Fishman's wanted to complete the Tsunderia Collection for years, and the rarest and most impossible piece is about to go on the market.
Petra has marketable skills and isn't an awful streamer. She's also largely avoided all of this shit. She'd be worth a look for a corpo.
>Ethyria
lol
lmao
>Luxiem
Luca and Vox are too risky for any established corpo, but a low-tier corpo looking for anything they can would pick them up despite the risks.
Shu is Elira Simp Prime so he's implicated in the cliquefaggotry.
Ike was in one of the worst streams in 2024 and somehow escaped unscathed, and arguably got positive attention out of it. I'd hire him just because of how much sheer dumb comedic luck he has.
>Noctyx
Fulgur is an instant hire.
Alban isn't a bad pickup.
Sonny and Uki are NG for different reasons, but a corpo might overlook Sonny's history considering how ancient it is.
>Iluna
Scarle is a free paycheck for any company that will let her just be her.
Maria, Ren, and Aia are all solid pickups, but they have needs most corpos would not be typically prepared to fulfill (Maria and Ren in the music department, Aia in her Tabletop/Lorefaggotry stuff).
>Xsoleil
Doppio wouldn't be a bad pickup, but he's a hard sell if you're only looking at his niji work.
The rest would never get hired by a corpo for various reasons.
>Krisis
Vanta has shown that he can handle high pressure just fine, so he's an instant hire for me.
>TTT
Kunai is a decent pickup.
Victoria would need a tardwrangler for social media, but isn't a bad pickup either.

There's options.

>>69898213
special doggy door, but a luxury one

>>69892474
she both talks and sounds like some little 10 or 11 year old little girl herself, plus she adds a fuckton of random zoomer nonsense nobody over the age of 15 cares about
so only broke / not yet working kids watching her isn't surprising at all

>>69889396
No that's Cover letting IDs use those options so they can earn more income

>>69889657
Because she wasn't included to begin with.

>>69886660
>Anycolor cut 30-40%
Post proof.
>>69887053
>Kunai deserved better
Start donating? They have streamlabs. Start buying their merch.
>BUT BUT 2% CUT
Post proof from AC themselves.

>>69899057
i wanted to like her but got filtered hard in the first stream i checked out kek

>>69889273
Yagoo really hit another goldmine with the dogs.

>>69893512
>Mococo even called (You) her boyfriend in the valentine's pack.
Is this not standard? I only bought FWMC's voice packs, but isn't that the whole point?

>>69899118
>Post proof
>No, not that proof you're about to post
>Post different proof you can't possibly have
I've been on this site for over a decade, and I don't think I've seen somebody move the goalposts in the same message before.

>>69899129
yeah i checked them all out, but advent just isn't for me i guess, not a single one i'd watch for various reasons, which is sad but what can you do

>>69896265
claude has more slots available, he just hasn't bothered to get more emotes for some reason, but yeah, those numbers sound about right for them

>>69892474
cunny viewers are usually big merch buyers

>>69899205
For the en girls, no. FWMC are far more willing to roleplay relationship stuff. For the jp branch, it depends on the girl

>>69890770
The salary is base salary, aka "You make at least this much". If they get enough out of superchats etc they don't get the salary

>>69899320
What the fuck are the other girls' valentine's voice packs like, then? "Spending Valentine's Day with my bestest of friends"?
This is so weird.

>>69899628
They either don't put out a voice pack at all, or they make it more ambigious.

>>69889273
bau bau domination

>>69899653
That's kind of sad. They have the easily available excuse of "it's just acting, bro, don't bring that to the stream" to hide behind and still won't throw a bone to their fans? Not putting one out makes sense, I don't think they should do it against their will or anything. But since they're doing it...
FWMC even went out of their way to tell you to not interpret it as just acting, they asked us to accept their feelings when they announced the voice packs.
I'm really lucky. I know not every fan is after this kind of content, but if you're buying Valentine's voice packs, you clearly are.

>>69898923
>Doppio wouldn't be a bad pickup, but he's a hard sell if you're only looking at his niji work.
he's a harder sell, if you look beyond his niji work

>>69886660
Post Scarle's numbers

>>69899787
I think he would've done better in Niji if they let him play harder to his strengths.
He was clearly too new to go full power wrassle autist in Wrestlesanji, especially sitting in the booth with Vox, and now that event is never going to happen again.

>>69899728
Eh, it really boils down to what they are comfortable with. Regardless of the content, voice packs are a fun way for the girls to play out weird scenarios and flex their (questionable) voice acting talents. In return, fans to support them, while getting a novel reward.

>>69899903
Fair. As long as everyone involved is happy with it, there's no issue.

>>69898923
>Ethyria
>lol
>lmao
Unless receipts starts flying, I think Enna and Reimu are relatively good picks. Enna has been memory holed by normies, so "nothing came out of the accusations" is one way she can skate through this. Millie has too much reputation of being a bootlicker for a black corpo, so like Elira I don't think she can get out of this. Outside of /here/ I don't think anyone is suspecting Reimu of anything.

>>69899793
Seventh when sorting by most superchated

>>69899878
imagine if they get vox to do his own version of wrestlesanji just to completely coincide it with doki's if/when she ever does one again

i wonder what happened with doppio's drama cd plans. he stopped after doing a couple <spoiler>when as compared to his life before, he was doing well churning out a bunch of them on a weekly basis</spoiler> did he get too busy with corpo life? <spoiler> or was it a perms issue?</spoiler>

>>69900126
>Outside of /here/
That is a significantly bigger problem than you realize.
Every corpo is /here/ in some capacity. While I wouldn't trust /here/ for a full resume breakdown or anything, if I find somebody applying that I distinctly remember getting shitposted for months solid about being a part of THE EN vtubing scandal, I'm going to be cautious to hire them.

>>69886660
how does it compare to other corpos?

>>69892843
members gifting is a more common practice on the fanbases that came with ILUNA and XSOLEIL
so it totally possible for kunai to have a high number of gifted members every month

>>69899878
imagine if they get vox to do his own version of wrestlesanji just to completely coincide it with doki's if/when she ever does one again

i wonder what happened with doppio's drama cd plans. he stopped after doing a couple when as compared to his life before, he was doing well churning out a bunch of them on a weekly basis did he get too busy with corpo life? or was it a perms issue?

>>69898923
>Fulgur is an instant hire.
Get out, Fulgur

>>69897061
holy smokes, that's insane, thanks

>>69900154
So in SC alone scarle made 155k in 18 months (debut july 25, 2022)
considering she doesn't do crazy projects, she has alot of savings for a long vacation when she leaves hell

>>69899204
>No, not that proof you're about to post
>People only cite Mysta's retardation
Retarded flip isn't proof of anything though.
>Post different proof you can't possibly have
So no proof, got it.

>>69900330
>did he get too busy with corpo life?
get real, he was releasing a voice product for free, something nijiJP charges people in a official product manner.
management a 100% walked back the permission for that content
and I wouldn't be surprised if Doppio is on a limbo waiting management to release an already recorded drama as merch but they never do

>>69900765
>So no proof, got it.
nta but go to Youtube and type in Deron salary. First video that comes up. This is as much as I will spoonfeed you.
>b-but it's 3 years ago things have changed
yeah for the worse according to every talent that left.

>>69897999
wasn't one drama that plopped up before Selen that NijiEN wanted you to only do vtubing and only for them? so yeah they can't do it as just a hobby

>>69900330
I can say with extremely high confidence that any Wrestlesanji attempt would likely not be anywhere near as good as the last two.
/hfz/ anons and /nijiEN/'s resident wrestling autist were literally 70% of the bracket in both years, including the champ in 2023. It is unlikely that you will see those people return for Wrestlesanji if it were to happen again, and /hfz/ are literally the best in the business when it comes to vtuber wrestling autism.

>>69900438
I'm pretty sure he's the Nijileaker, so I'd hire him, assuming I wasn't running a black company

>>69892697
Is mococo too retarded with money?

>>69900855
I hate how much this makes sense. He seems to still enjoy regular streaming and doing his merch packs, but I know he also wants to branch out a lot. I want him to get there, but desu I'm not that hopeful.

>>69901000
How much do you want to bet, even if he is the leaker, he was complicit and took part of the bullying in the company?

>>69898923
Pomu would be a steal for anyone, Feesh and Elira I agree

>>69895584
Biboo likely has a younger audience just based on her energy and humor, so less disposable income for supas. Rissa's audience is probably in their mid-late 20s on average

>>69895724
Excluding Singapore, the average SEA dweller makes like $1k per month or ~$250 per week. Even a $25 supa is a lot of money

>>69901483
Its all Mococo's money. Fuwawa isn't real.

>>69898978
Uh do you not have a front door ?!?!

>>69886660
Nice, another 5 months and the talents will make the money back that they had to spend on their own debuts.

>>69900244
I don't think /here/ has that reputation unless we're talking places that takes every rumor as something they need to dispel aka Nijisanji with Scarle and Aster and no other corpo is like that. It is enough for anyone that has a brain to ask questions about it during an interview. But I would consider that very few people were untainted by the situation here, clique and clique-adjacent is at least more than half of NijiEN at this point for one reason or another and that is going to follow them around, on top of the insubordination that some had shown that corpos do not want in their own companies.

Youtube takes fucking 30% of superchats? Jesus fuck

>>69893900
except it is known you dumb dramanigger

>>69892474
her audience is SEA

>>69903731
I mean how else do you think they can make money? Ads are fucking pennies even if unblocked (which they shouldn't) and nobody buys YT Premium
They may be a shitty company but that are in fact a company and have operating costs

>>69886660
>company doesn't support you for shit after the initial debut
>you have to pay for literally every little thing out of your work
>company is still entitled to the same cut regardless
Literal bloodsucking vermin.
Signing up for niji en is just retarded if you're somewhat talented as a cc.

>>69895183
We know what happens to people who try to reinvest into their Channel at Niji
They get the Selen and Zaion Termination treatment.

>>69890631
Is how much they made since they debuted anon. So is more like $650 a month anon, that before taxes. And what sponsorships and what merch?

>>69902465
Pretty sure he's talking about current talents. Pomu is already gone.

>>69893836
I kind of get what everyone else is pulling, but what's with Risu ?

>>69892697
That’s not how the math works. Youtube takes 30 percent off the top, then cover takes 30 percent of what is left. .30 times .70 = 21 percent, so they are taking 21 percent of the total, leaving the talents with 49 percent of the money

>>69895724
Hololive Indonesia had a slower start than the rest. In their first year, they were even worse than Holostars at the time. They started to grow an audience mostly after the second gen. But their numbers here aren't exactly accurate. SCs are not available in Indonesia or where not until a little while ago (I am not sure), so they are the only branch in Holo, that has Streamlab activated - and from what I've seen, they get a lot of donations that way.

>>69889273
>dogs
d-divide by 2

>>69902765
The truth is out there.

>>69892843
Thank god Kunai is super frugal with her spending - she talks a lot about cooking her own meals and buying clothing from thrift stores.

It's sad though that she (presumably) joined a corpo for better exposure/potential increase in income, is kind of...not doing so hot?

>>69889273
>420,x69
nice BAU BAU

>>69904314
Laziness and family problems

>>69886660
>Anycolor
>30%
It's 50% after YT cut.

>>69892051
If they make less than $40k and are American they don't pay any taxes. It gets refunded back to them.

>>69898127
Her current design is super sexy.

>>69895334
Unironically exposure.
A big corpo like hololive would also get you things like studio time, 3D shit, a base salary and a budget for projects.
But with kurosanji that would all eat into the yacht money.

>>69886660
Is it a uniquely SEA thing to think streamers only make money from superchats/donations? Ad revenue is by far the biggest income source and why so many people will bend over backwards to make sure they don't get the yellow $ of death on youtube

>>69905253
I don't know who her PL was but if she was a high 4view she might be worse off due to revenue share.
I have a membership of a indie vsinger who signed an affiliation with AVEX a few months ago and she has had a few sponsored streams in the last month, has access to more songs to sing and she's averaging 1k ccv in views on solo streams, and everyone on her chat is a member you rarely see any grey names. So unless Kunai is getting sponsor streams she actually might be a lot worse off in comparison.

>>69904972
>until a little while ago (I am not sure)
YouTube added the support for IDR shortly before ID3 debut, and the HoloID management started using SocialBuzz as well. Both of those events are the reason why ID3 doesn't have Streamlabs, unlike ID1 and ID2. That was about 2 years ago.

>>69901483
Mococo prioritizes ponderings above bills.

>>69906053
It's not that hard to find with archive reps but she had 188k subs which is more than twice what she has now with her prior YT channel and she primarily was on Twitch streaming. I can't imagine she would be doing as well as a low 3 view at the moment and I can't wrack my brain on what Nijisanji now effectively is giving her because there is no upsides, it would be one thing if she had stuff like medical insurance and etc. covered which would fit her situation but they are all contractors and we know from other people's medical situations at the company that Nijisanji does not cover that.

>>69894906
>Mysta graduated
>STILL has more money than Shoe and the other guy

>>69907690
Twitch partner or affiliate? Partner from memory makes a shitload more than affiliates. If she was partner she most likely is worse off. She got sold a dud.

>>69909190
They have the same cut now

>>69909190
how much are the Twitch cuts for ads , bits and subs?

>>69909945
subs is 50/50. It used to be 70/30 for partners but lol
Bits all go to the streamer, you pay a premium when you buy them in the first place so that's where twitch makes their cut. It's about a 30% premium
Ads are voodoo

>>69886660
This shit is so embarrassing like its not their fault it falls on the agency. the whole reason you join an agency is for exposure/connections for projects. If someone pointed this out on my earnings that I was just getting fucked like this i wouldn't be able to deal with the shame lol I can't even think about what this type of situation would be equivalent to. Its like some moment of shame and embarrassment that you can only feel in childhood like pissing or shitting yourself. Something where it happens once to some people and then never again in your life a certainly not as an adult lmaoooooo.

>>69886660

>>69892789
She can't even afford new tea. Fuwawa makes her reuse old tea bags

>>69893836
Isn't that like...a lot of money for anyone living in ID? Do they all live in mansions pretty much?

>>69893605
Cough up a huge amount of dowry and yes, they might.

>>69903778
Why? She isn't

>>69910242
You can still make 70/30 but it's now in the Partner Plus program which requires more points, but she definitely had enough to qualify and more, so yeah, undoubtedly she kinda got screwed especially with TTT getting no promotion from Nijisanji at all because of the acceleration strategy.

>>69886660

>>69903731
30% is normal for any platform

>>69886660
Still earning more than homostars

>>69904349
Ah, so Fuwawa gets 44% of it.

>>69893836
>That Kaela money
Holy fuck how???

>>69922843
>#1 in stream hours out of the entirety of hololive
>Fun personality
>Every single branch likes her
>JP specifically adores her
She has huge reach and her timezone isnt awful because of how long she streams she also often appears in other minecraft streams helping which makes others check her out.
Basically everytime Kaela helped someone's oshi thats a viewer who checked her out and maybe sent a superchat or 2.

>>69892474
She has the potential of selling a lot of merch like Gura. Only time will tell.

>>69886660
>>69889273
Hey dont forget they also make money from merch

>>69886660
This is just so fucking sad to see, they're in one of the BIG corpo in vtubing, You just want the best for them, success, and stuff like that. This is just.. idk man.

>>69886660
deserved

>>69899609
Who said that?

>>69922843
she streams 12 hours a day, every day anon.
i legit go to sleep and when I wake up, she's still streaming. and then she streams 3 more hours even after all that
she has a sleep condition where she's fully rested after 3 hours of sleep per day. she's probably the best pick up Hololive made in ID. Yagoo strikes gold once again

>>69923822
anon this is niji. WHAT MERCH?

>>69912354
That's before taxes
Income tax in ID is something like 30% for anyone making more than 30k in a year.
There's property tax fees and association fees. You really can't win.

too much for what they do

unrelated but is it normal for Niji EN members to have less than 100k subs 3 months after debut, or is their wave a bigger flop than usual?

I realize it's not going to be holo numbers but still, figured the niji box would be a bit larger

>>69927209
The box was bigger, but nobody gives a shit anymore. There's a reason why NijiEN streams are pulling less than PC these days.

>>69927209
Dokibird unironically has made more subs since returning - atop of what her old account already had. It is really sad.

>>69927437
no shit? nobody gave a fuck about her before niji gave her a platform, she had 3k subs before the drama

>>69927209
ACCELERATE has burned out a lot of casuals. It takes time to grow an audience and following but how are you going to do that when 3-4months later there's competition within your own company? For fans how in the fuck are you going to remember who is who especially with the retarded naming conventions. If you put the last 3 gens in a lineup for me to name, I'd be able to name maybe 3, Zaion (because scandal), Kotoka (because she lived up to gyaru bitch design) and Vivi only because she's been spammed recently by her fans begging /here/ for someone to get her out.

fwmc about to surpass council in supas wth

>>69893836
Just to show how dire the ID situation is.

>>69929868
ID is doing just fine, when you consider that the average indog makes less than $800/mo.

>>69900154
a considerable amount of her donations are not superchats because chat loves the TTS she has enabled

>>69928105
I only know Vivi because her debut stream showed up in my recommended and I decided to give her a watch even though back then I disliked niji since her model looked cute and she seemed nice
Her videos have shown up in my recommendeds again but I'm conflicted since I side with Doki over niji so I haven't actually subbed

>>69886660
i thought at first that was for the last stream or week, and that they were doing alright. but damn

>>69921939
> Debuted nearly a month later
> Lowest in his gen and Stars overall
> Still making more money than these two
kek

>>69890631
nigger you would literally earn more money by working as a burgerflipper for minimum wage

>>69895286
>comparing this year's Enna birthday to last year is disingenuous as fuck, as there has been a consistent fall of viewers and revenue through the year, so the bad numbers are in great part due to slow bleeding and not just the current drama.
There's slow bleeding and then there's losing 2/3rds of your revenue. That's not slow bleeding, that's amputation

>>69894919
Most of the people "shilling" her are just poking fun at her under the guise of "oh poor vivi"

>>69894919
What should I do?

>>69886660
The real question is how big Niji's cut of the inheritance will be after these livers also go sudoku

>>69890631
you can literally make more in eastern eu shithole with an easy job that you can quit at any time you wish

>>69886660
Lmao even Sayu, who's doing YouTube as an afterthought, made more and keeps double their cut

>>69937970
>11 days ago
She's definitely made a bit more since then. There's been a lot of people in her youtube chat since the Doki news broke.

>>69900515
Of course she now she has to draw ~450 profile pics, so she's set with stream content for a while.

>>69921939
>>69932503
AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE NIJISIS DON'T LOOK

>>69932503
HOLY GRIM

>>69892474
Niggerloving cucks have deep pockets in Europe

>>69927209
Nope, until the last two waves nijien can usually expect to be sitting in the 300k range a month after debut

>>69886660
>Anycolor cut 30-40%
You mean 2%?

>>69889657
sad

>>69886660
Victoria made more money as an indie unironically

>>69898213
Idk front door was just meant to be placeholder for anything a house has and it was the first thing that came to mind

>>69894193
YT takes 30% and the rest is split in half.