/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

I hope so. I'm tired, Elira. I just want to go back to when I thought everything was happy and everyone was having a good time watching anime girls do their best on the internet to entertain people. It hurts thinking the people I watched for so long might have been hurting people, and my monetary support might've indirectly helped that.

>>69804931
wuv wiwa

>>69804931
I hope so! I just want to watch her play jrpgs and sing again. It's pretty boring without her.

>>69804931
explain to me why they used her channel instead of the official EN channel.

>>69805042
>indirectly
Funny way of saying directly.

>>69805336
it's pretty obvious retard. They thought it would soften the blow, that the lunatic dokifags wouldn't sperg out on her as much. But of course they did anyway, like the psychos they are.

>>69804931
I unironically thought Elira was one of the nicer ones since I'm more of a holofag and my friend wanted me to dip my toes into the NijiEN girls. Here's hoping she can somehow climb out of this pit she dug herself into.

>>69805336
They thought public opinion would shift and queen bee Elira would get a huge incline in subs for being the TRUE victim.

>>69805452
>They thought it would soften the blow
Attacking Doki would soften the blow?
Really sis?

Depending on how Anycolor's stock ends up doing tomorrow, everything may not be fine. Best case scenario is that the stock market pulls a stock market and people buy in because the financial reports are coming in soon. Worst case scenario is that investors pull out now that they see that vtubing is an incredibly volatile business.

>>69805336
maybe Elira was on her way out already as well and she get to move up the queue if she agrees to it

>>69805795
If it dips below 3k, I can assure you investors will pull out. or maybe an investor lawsuit, because of their claim that it was "negligible(it wasn't)"

>>69805452
bet you totally wouldnt say anything bad about niji if your oshi tried to an hero and NIJISANJI THEMSELVES acknowledged that there was bullying and harassment.

>>69805992
If Elira graduates instead of getting terminated, it might prove this rrat

>>69806091
is she even alive?

>>69805452
Funny you called them dokifags when they were nijifans, seethe more NDF sister.

>>69805042
>my monetary support might've indirectly helped that
There is no ethical consumption under Nijisanji

>>69806148
I dont know how they don't realize it. Did they think Nijisanji EN didn't exist until Ethyria or Luxiem?

>>69805336
It's pretty obvious.
They threw her under a bus, they would rather Elira lose subs than their main channel. Their talents are disposable after all.

>>69805795
>doomposting
They're doing fine, faggot.

>>69807132
>literally down since the announcement and bought itself into a corner so it can't pump the price
oh no no no xisters how do we explain this on our financial reports?

>>69807132
nice cherry picking.
and dont forget about buyback roru roru

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>69804931
you're right.
Niji is doomed to burn, and the bonfire of their failure will warm all our hearts <3

>>69804931
Yeah, as soon as the nijiclique is excised and Elira is tied naked to a pyre and a ritualistic mass bukkake commences to purify her of her demons.

>>69805042
This really is the fan experience in a nutshell. I can't even blame the NijiEN fans for being so fucked in the head right now, you poor beautiful fools.

>>69805042
>Giving money to Kurosanji employees
You deserve to feel guilty. I refused to even give money to Selen until she got out of that company.

>>69807132
This is the lowest they've been in 6 months, and that's after a buyback meant to bring back their stock price in December (Which according to Anycolor themselves on January 18 they've invested roughly 7.5 million USD into repurchasing) and a stock split last July.

>>69805693
telling the truth about her delusions =/= attacking. but yes, they probably thought Elira's fans would drown out the lynch mob, clearly they are a fickle bunch though

>>69806050
they did nothing of the sort. they acknowledged the mentally ill person *believed* there was harassment, not that there actually was any. big difference.

>>69805693
Follow their logic, according to their company Doki was going to take Niji to court and air out all the dirty laundry. They get shown this document which has things they don't agree with, the talents then decide to try and win support back by naively making the black screen video. No grand conspiracy, no malice; just fear and being overly defensive.

>>69809194
that's exactly how it looked to me. they just failed spectacularly in the execution, but there was nothing wrong with the idea

>>69809187
My sister in christ they have a history, and they literally attacked her in that video in a cartoonishly evil way.
>>69809194
Even if they didn't think they were bullying, releasing a prerecorded video overlapping her scheduled first stream back is an extremely obvious attempt to get her to break down on stream without her lawyer. They're fucking evil and that stream absolutely confirmed it, which is why nobody who can actually understand English has any sympathy for them.

>>69809362
>They're fucking evil and that stream absolutely confirmed it
Even if you want to play nice and assume like maybe some of them like Ike were guilted into it, which he absolutely had to be because he literally sounded like he was reading off a script, you can even hear the audible sound of paper in the video before he gives his end speech, they're just incredibly stupid. It doesnt seem like anyone in that branch had any sort of training in handling a PR crisis, and it really shows.

>>69809362
You're fucking retarded if you think they meticulously planned to sabotage her. You are judging an entire group of people's morality based on what could very likely have been a coincidence.

>>69809600
If it was on a scheduled stream of elira and they just changed that to the black video, I would believe it's coincidence, but that's not what happened.

>>69809600
>meticulously
Starting a stream at a particular time is meticulous?
>coincidence
c'mon now

>>69805042
Fuck, do I feel sorry for nijifags. It used to be fun to make fun of you, but now it just feels like kicking a dying puppy.

>>69805336
My personal rrat: it was a punishment

>>69804931
So true sis

>>69809362
do you ever stop and consider maybe some people just don't give a fuck about her? that her problems don't matter because they like Elira or Vox or whoever more? Honestly. Think about it like this: say a girl in hololive, some high earner but is mostly a loner...Shiori for example. Say she has a meltdown and is terminated over mean banter and tries to jump off a cliff. You don't like Shiori. You don't give the slightest fuck what happens to her. Are you going to drop Fuwamoco, Biboo, Mumei, everyone you DO like, on her behalf? Try to burn the company to the ground and put every talent that works there out of a job, simply for working at the same place as the "bullies"? Hell no. It's absurd. My oshi's happiness is more important than some shithead I don't like's well-being.

>>69805336

>>69809716
>>69809734
Don't attribute malice to what can be attributed to ignorance.

>>69805042
Nope this will go on and on as long as Elira and the other cancerous elements remain in NJSJand the company itself is a decaying circus. Your oshis cannot help themselves but be troublemakers. One slip up and it's back in the drama spiral of public consciousness for every week, every month, every year until the branch is dissolved.

>>69809880
If hololive pulled the same PR as nijisanji, YES.

>>69805042
I hope so too. Stay strong anon
Selen/Doki is my oshi, but Elira used to be my "comfy rpg" streamer of choice... this hurts me as well

>>69809956
There's absolutely no chance that they didn't know she was streaming at that time.

>>69809956
There's no proof of ignorance, there is however proof of malice, If they were in a hurry to release the video it would not have been at the same time as Doki's stream but earlier.

>>69810039
Why? Assuming you aren't a Selen fan, why do you care? A schizo bitch gets shafted by her shitty black corpo. Who cares? As long as the ones you watch are happy and prosperous. People aren't that pure hearted and magnanimous.

>>69810069
No chance in your head. How do you know they were paying attention to her streams? Oh because they were bullies? What proof do you have for that?

>>69809958
>be troublemaker
>literally doing nothing
>while Selen herself attempted twice over small things
I have met people like Selen in real life. They are the most fragile and unstable kind of person. No matter what you do will please them. Your critics, you making fun (of) them will be clarified as bullying while in reality it's a nothingburger. You guys don't even think of where the fuck did Selen get 200k from and assume they didn't pay her nothing.

I have seen a lot of people like Doki and many of them years later can't keep their facade up. They'll crumble to dust. While you may think of apologizing to her ex coworkers, the damage has been done and can not be reversed.

>>69810184
The answer is simple, you want me to wait for another victim?

>>69810203
Typically you would check something like that when you put out a hit piece on someone. It's just common sense.

>>69810203
Why didn't they release it earlier but on the same time?

>>69810204
that's the part I don't get. it's like suddenly all the years of Selen being a train wreck menhera flipping out constantly over little stuff never happened. she suddenly became a saint overnight simply by trying to off herself, all is forgiven and forgotten

>>69805336
Same raeson Vox was claiming to be best buds with Selen. The point of the hit piece was to smear her, this is why they needed to put it on a liver's channel - to make it more personal, while also putting it on the biggest channel with a crossover with Selen's original audience (ergo why it didn't go on a male channel). If Pomu was still around that video would have gone on her page instead.

>>69809900
thanks poco

>>69804931
NijiCHADs always win

>>69810204
This can easily get shafted by the fact that a lot of people stood up for her, IRL friends not just the fans. If she was truly hard to get along with, she would have no friends.

>no apologies given
>no attempt to discipline people
>blatant unfairness (selen brutally terminated while Luca gets away with virtual murder)
>the clique still going strong

They believe "we can just pretend like nothing ever happened, keep streaming, and our fans are so fucking retarded they'll forgive us".
Is that really their idea?

Where is the fucking apology? Where is it?
Also several people should be fired. Luca should be fired, he broke the rules. If you fired Selen, you have to fire Luca 10x as hard.

People aren't going to forget and "just move on", people remember this stuff. NijiEN is still losing subs by the way

>>69810320
She's the least menhera in the Vtubing sphere, goes to show you never watched here and just making stuff up now.

>>69805042
>tfw when your two main chuubas for the longest time where Elira AND Selen

>>69810267
That's a pretty big if. Vtuber is a career with short shelf life and high turnover for every company. No one else tries to kill themselves, that's all on her, not a repeat pattern.

>>69807132
They spent about as much money as cover did on their studio on a stock buyback about a month ago.
This drama brought them back below the value that triggered them to do that.
There is no positive way to spin that

>>69810429
Phase Connect is older than NijiEN with 2x as many girls as NijiEN, and they haven't graduated a single person

It will, as long as they SHUT THE FUCK UP.

>>69810423
did you forget all the collabs she ragequit when she sucked? all her twitter rants and constant whining?

>>69810326
>If Pomu was still around that video would have gone on her page instead.
Would have broken my heart. Glad she got out right before the building imploded.

>>69810429
>No one else tries to kill themselves
Pomu broke down crying on stream and graduated ASAP. Nina graduated and then immediately started throwing snipes at how fucking awful NijiEN is. Mysta did much the same.

Why are you supporting shit piece of shit company? The fact that anyone still supports them or gives them money is a fucking travesty. You are enabling this abusive situation to persist.

>>69810389
Only time will tell. Just because you are unhinged doesn't make everyone staying away from you. Even so, with a fragile mind like that, it's only a matter of time until she will shut down on her own again. Nobody think twice when they heard of Selen giving all her money away for a short sighed plan. That's one of the red light behaviour

>>69810289
There you go presuming malice again. >>69810309
Who knows, maybe that's the closest time slot after they finished putting it together? It overlapping is unfortunate definitely and didn't help their case, but there's a lot of possible explanations beyond mal-intent

>>69810476
true. and I'm not denying nijisanji is shit. but this is about her mental illness, not the company. other people just quit or sit out their contract when shit doesn't go their way, not *shrug* "Guess I'll die?"

>>69810389
This. If there was any truth in what this retard >>69810204 is saying, you'd see dozens of people coming to xitter and airing dirty laundry about the times when Doki from past deeds. People dug around and found nothing significant.
So it's just like that. She might be a pain-in-the-ass perfectionist co-worker, but that's really all

>>69810585
>this is about her mental illness
No it's not, it's about the company. By the way, she can literally sue them for a hostile work environment. NijiEN is breaking several laws with the way they operate.

>>69810320
That's just standard woman/chuuba behavior anon, that's nothing specific to her.

>>69810528
because I don't care about Selen, and the ones I like are still there happily streaming.

>>69805042
Do you pay taxes?

>pro-Elira thread
>the entire thread is throwing daggers at Selen

Wow, so NijiEN is actually that kind of company

>>69810616
she would get buried in court. Even if she won, it'd cost a fortune to fight corpo lawyers, and her IRL info would leak at some point. There's no way she ever tries that

>>69810646
So the official propaganda bulleton coming out of NijiEN isn't "we're sorry for what we did". Instead the messaging is "fuck that bitch, she deserved it".
Great fucking message faggot.

>>69810660
Not my fault Elira is a hot villainess

>>69810616
No sane lawyer would suggest this BPD woman to spend money and time to get almost nothing from anykara but black.

200k seems like a retarded amount of money to spend on art commissions and shows that selen either comes from wealth or is mentally unstable

I think the real story to this entire thing is that selen was the victim of "favoritism" which is really her just putting way more work on her support staff than anyone else in the company. her manager/permissions people were probably thinking "this crazy bitch is wasting more money than I make in several years on vanity art projects, does she not realize her job is streaming apex legends wtf is wrong with her"

>>69810660
>throwing draggers at Selen
>various people discussing to find out the truth
What kind of meds are you on? If you really care about Doki you would think of the way she thinks and acts and throwing her money out of the window isn't good. Assuming she is a good person, a good person with a naive mind can not last long in real life or any kind of industry if they keep being like that. You should have understood that since you were one.

>>69810702
Anycolor's lawyers are absolutely retarded. They spend the minimum on lawyers just like they spend the minimum on management and everything else.
They lost legal battles over defamation in fucking JAPAN

>>69810702
>it'd cost a fortune to fight corpo lawyers
She already made a fortune in like what 10 streams she's done so far

>>69810766
I favor snapping the neck of this dogshit black company abomination known as "NijiEN", the majority of whose fans are not even western but Chinese.

>>69810788
she better save up, the tourists and dramaniggers don't last forever

>>69810536
Well if time is our evidence, we'll just have to wait and see.If you are right, I would eat my words and gift 100 subs to everyone who are still in niji EN. Until then I'll just focus on other chuubas.

Man, as expected of fanbase with 39IQ average

>>69810660
It's the bait of the month...well will probably be used as bait for awhile.

>>69810646
And then the ones you like an hero and you come crying back to us to bitch about it, and we tell you to fuck off because our ones managed to get out before it got worse.

Lacking empathy isn't being internet tough guy, it's showing how dumb and shortsighted you are.

>>69810184
>>69809880
>>69809956
>>69810429
Mysta, Pomu, Nina, Zaion, Selen. Those are just the ones we know about who were chewed up and spat out by that company, and four of them were among their highest earners, while the last two had termination notices so damning that they felt like an attempt to make sure they could never find work again. Who knows how many other victims are behind NDAs and closed doors, especially the smaller ones? The entire company needs to go to prevent it from happening to anyone else.
>>69810204
>>69810320
You clearly haven't, nor have you ever watched her streams. Raging at a video game in front of a camera for fans is not the same as an actual, difficult to work with mental illness. Everybody with a pulse who doesn't have their livelihoods directly tied to that company says she's the sweetest person to work with who cares about people, and yet somehow the sisters built her up as this psychotic boogeyman who can't do anything? She headed several large scale collabs and tournaments that succeeded, as well as several projects only canned by Niji deep into development for unknown, likely egotistical reasons if the MV is anything to go off of. Large companies are seriously cutting ties with Niji publicly just to support her. Why on earth would they do that, tanking potential revenue if she even slightly resembled this person you've built her up as?

>>69810764
While her family is stable financially. That 200k came from her own job as a vtuber alone.

>>69804931
Elira will be back soon. The other members have confirmed that they've been talking to her in discord.

>>69805452
Yeah I'm a fucking spycho. I saw the shit that went on with Doki and had a psychotic break because it looked EXACTLY LIKE THE SHIT THAT WENT ON AT MY LAST JOB.
Silly delusionaries like myself seeing the shit in Nijisanji and seeing it almost exactly the same as what went down at my workplace.

Nijsister, you're fucking lucky I've been out of my old place for a year and managed to move on or else I'd be using Vox as Catharsis By Proxy,

There is no narrative that you can push. Selen is either a "BPD" menhera, she was the mastermind who brought down NijiEN, or the "both sides" argument. Whatever, it does not change the fact that NijisanjiEN is dead. All of your "livers" will be gone by the end of the year. Vox and the others are going to be out of a job. Meanwhile, Hololive EN, other corpos, and Dokibird will live on and there is nothing you can do about it sisters.

>>69805336
>they
You mean she, because she's part of EN management.

>>69811203
So instead of actually addressing apologizing, firing the problem people, you know FIXING the problems in the branch.
Instead the answer is "let it blow over and pretend nothing ever happened". GENIUS strategy.

Elira must definitely be management if that's the answer Niji goes with. They have changed absolutely nothing, they haven't even apologized. Zero people have been disciplined. Even Elira can just come right back.

>>69811293
And /vt/ wouldn't be surprised

>>69811349
The surprising thing is why anyone would support a literal black company

>>69811364
Because as the sister said, "It's not my oshi, just yours." The core tenet of chinese psychology. Always look out for number one, nobody else matters. If bad things happen to you, you clearly didn't cheat or hurt enough people to get what you wanted.

>>69811215
I bet a lot of people have the opposite reaction.
I feel like I have had several jobs where I was treated worse (and compensated way less for it) than the vague allegations Selen is making imply. I know I personally would not feel okay with affecting the livelihood of random unrelated people to the degree Selen has just because I feel justified in my anger at the company.
Then again I also didn't try to kill myself over "favoritism and bullying" since I am not a BPD woman, so maybe I don't get it idk.

>>69805795
anon, it's a holiday in japan tomorrow and then the weekend after.
so we have to wait until sunday for us to see if the stock dips below 3000
im betting that it dips below 2900 just before the end of the day and the fire sale starts.

>>69804931
For Doki, yes.
You niggers, no.

>>69811439
Exhibit A
>>69810646

>>69811293
>They have changed absolutely nothing, they haven't even apologized.
That has been the strategy since 2019.

>>69811487
Inshallah

>>69811487
My money is on floating above 3000 until the next graduation, which will push it down to sub-3k. The only thing that can save it is MAYBE an announcement of a new wave debut (if the wave starts streaming before the mid-March shareholder meeting).

>>69811625
Actually the real killer will be the end-of-year financial report which will likely send stock diving down to new lows. In that case heads are going to roll

>>69810646
>>69811457
There has to be a middle ground between chinese "lol fuck you my oshi hasn't killed themself yet despite being in a horrid work environment" and japanese "she deserved to die for rocking the boat and not fellating her superiors." It's insane that both of those retarded camps are even pretending to defend that trash fire.

>>69811681
>end-of-year financial report
I don't know when Anycolor does theirs, but aren't these things usually done in December?

>>69811909
The financial year starts in april. Although I heard Anycolor does theirs a month early for some reason

>>69811909
Fiscal year ends in March in Japan

>>69811934
>>69811958
Well then next month is going to be extra funny.

>>69811909
March 14th is their next earnings call, prepare for damage control

pretty sure she quit or got fired and they are holding off announcing it

i think elira should be bullied into a suicide attempt and then see how it feels when the other side keeps saying it didnt happen when you clearly tried to kill yourself.
As she doesnt seem to apologize for the black screen stream or delete it, she is a failed human being.

>>69812101
I am inclined to believe this

>>69810204
Too bad the bullying was confirmed real when elira had the ten billion IQ idea to set up a stream designed to collect her vox and ike's gachis and send them all straight over to brigade doki so your theory fails at the startline.
There is far too much literal evidence in the public that the bullying allegations are legit now and the only thing we have on selen is she's a sore loser in games.

All you sisters need to start providing recipts if you want any of us to believe selen was this insane megalomaniac menhera behind the scenes. We've got tons showing the opposite, we know how much she pushed projects designed to lift the whole branch from her own pocket and time.
So either put up or shut up. The "ackshully selen was a shit person" script has gotten old.

>>69812270
Stop eating bait, we're talking about financials.

>>69804931
>>69805042
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cjqd1GZIhjU&t=90s
Elira is a corporate whore. This bitch is so desperate for fame she sucked and fucked her way to the top of Nijisanji EN, offering her body to gain favor with and manipulate management. This explains why she is the Queen of the Clique ordering Millie and Enna to bully those she does not like and to fuck the management that she doesn’t want to. It also explains why she gets away with bullying inside the company. She is an evil slut. Right now she is getting fucked by corpo's.

>>69804931
I love and forgive you please come back

>>69812308
I wish she would bully me until I cum myself

>>69812308
>Enna pimping out Elira while keeping her virginity
What a devious bird

>>69812411
Anal and blowjobs are a thing anon

>>69811831
don't bother anon, the nijisisters are so deep on vox's dick sucking asmr, they don't realize he was being railed by riku while making it.
you will never the convince the chinese, because they not comprehend that they are wrong. their entire country can be falling around them and they'll stubbornly insist that everything is fine
it's why they got shit on by the europeans in the century of humiliation: their hubris is longer than the list of niji yabs.

>>69812326
>I love and forgive you please come back
Just let manager-san and his corpo bosses have their way with her for a bit then you can have the leftovers anon.

>>69804931
When is Elira coming back? I don't care about the others from Niji.

>>69805042
I long for the day she comes back. Then i can go in her live chat to tell her to fucking kill herself.

>>69813213
Meds

>>69810399
No, it's actually the best outcome. Haters will get bored and their core audience(kpop stans and chinks) don't care enough. They are gonna be okay, just their reputation in the west is gone.

>>69813213
Anon she is not coming back she is too busy taking corpo cock up the ass.

>>69813535
"They're gonna be ok" but Nijisanji isn't. There's a reason corporations don't make self-destructive moves, we've seen the results for ourselves.

>>69804931
nijicope
fuck you
disband and declare bankruptcy

>>69813535
>Haters will get bored
Haters are different from Anti's. In other words, they are never going to be okay.

>>69813535
>They are gonna be okay, just their reputation in the west is gone
Most of Enna's superchats were from SEA, so it's not impossible to consider that NijisanjiEN will actually be NijisanjiSEA. I wonder if it'd be better for Anycolor to make a new brand (not just Nijisanji + [letters], but straigh up a new name) for targeting NA specifically.

>>69809194
You're forgetting they dropped that at the same time as dokis steam. You can't sit here and say that wasn't intentional.

>>69810203
Kuroniggi's termination manifesto declared that the the talents were bullies. Dokibae never made that claim in public. It was kuroniggi and then the 3 stooges that revealed it all through their evil stupidity and arrogance.

>>69812308
>Elira is a corporate whore
>offering her body to gain favor with and manipulate management
>ordering Millie and Enna to [...] fuck the management
Why do I find this so fucking hot?

>>69810646
>the ones I like are still there happily streaming.
All the signs point to the reality that the ones you like are not happily streaming, they are being tortured by their black company, coworkers and themselves while working in a hostile environment. They might even be torturing others. But that's company culture, hurt others and yourselves to appease the black company jap ego.

I forgive her

>>69814028
it's a very typical japanese doujin anon. of course it's hot, even if your penis is in a question mark and your ancestors look down at you in shame

>>69810702
It would be the Canadian government suing kuroniggi, with unlimited funds.

>>69813660
If the Japanese of Niji cared about SEA they wouldn't have allowed ID to die.
Nah they're scrapping all that shit.
>>69814123
Good luck to Trudeau's minions then, it'd be asshole vs asshole in that case and the resulting shitshow would be rapturous.

>>69814123
>Nijisanji is owned by Chinese investors
>Canada is owned by Chinese investors
They are

>>69813535
They'll be ok short-term, but long-term they're fucked beyond repair.
The space and the only thing investors seek is growth and Niji EN will stagnate for years to come.

>>69814110
>it's a very typical japanese doujin anon
People keep saying this, but I don't think I've ever seen one.

>>69814111
"I forgive someone who bullied a girl to suicide" (real)
"because she has a cute .png avatar" (not real)

Literally everyone has a cute avatar this cunt isn't special

>>69814212
>If the Japanese of Niji cared about SEA they wouldn't have allowed ID to die.
I'm not saying they planned that, just that this is how the chips fell.

>>69810764
Artists were taking advantage of her because of corpo affiliation. Kson's mama talked about it before, how artists charge corpos more way above what they would charge indies because they know the corpo can afford it.

>>69815706
I dont think someone in her position spending 200k out of pocket on that stuff is remotely normal. 100% she is an outlier and most of her coworkers spend (waste) way less than her.

>>69813535
Haters are going to get bored! hahahaAhahaHAAHAAHAA we want to see it turn to ashes

>>69815800
$200k isn't normal but as long as the quality of the end product justifies the spending then it's fine. But her recent MV that allegedly cost $15k, there is no way to justify that, it should've cost $8k max. The artists scammed Selen. Even worse, I don't think she cares and views it as supporting the art community since she herself creates art stuff. If her past projects were similar then no wonder she spent over $200k. But if she doesn't care then I dont care, but doesn't change the facts Selen was a retard and artists that worked with her were scum.

>>69815706
>be driven to despair
>manage to escape that shithole
>turns out Nijisanji really did have massive reach so now you're blacklisted Zaion style, only allowed to collab with small fish and OTK/Mythic (who will drop you once your FOTM dies down)
>artists know you're conditioned to pay way over standard rates, so they'll perpetually keep gauging you
I'm legit starting to feel sorry for Doki, at lest she doesn't have to put up with Niji's bullshit.

>>69813915
This is why the current NijiEN is doomed. They will find a way to fuck it up badly. They need to make a statement to investors. They lied. Negligible Riku's asshole.

>>69816010
Just because you suck at art doesn't mean people more skilled than you should pay less lol

>>69815800
Streamers with a poor financial discipline isn't exactly a new concept.

>>69816140
You really think her MV was worth $15k? Seriously?

>>69816193
A modern anime episode costs ~160k to make, for a 20 minute episode, or 8k a minute. A 3 minute MV should have cost about 24k, so paying only 15k is a bargain.

>>69816382
What it really means is that she should've had a better manager helping her out with her purchases to keep her budget in check. But as we know from her own tweets, she's literally not allowed to hire an assistant for ????? reasons. Fuck Niji

>>69816382
Are you retarded? 70% of the MV were still images with preset effects from editing software with zooms and pans to mimicanimation, the only vocals are her singing, the song itself is only 2:45 no even full 3 min, it's a glorified slide show that is nowhere near $15k to actually make.

Selen won

>>69816193
>woman doesn't know the standard price to pay for art, probably gets all her pfps done by shitters on fiverr

People like you are the reason why a whole type of taskforce isn't paid enough to afford a normal living

>>69805042
I have no pity for posters like you. Ever since half a wave's slots were taken up by Elira's besties you have to be actively lying and covering up clique connections just so she can prosper. That's a ridiculous amount of influence she had and that was all the way back in the THIRD wave.

>>69816958
Schizochama the pool of experienced Vtubers was very small back then, it was completely viable for people in the same circle to end up in the same company. Especially since that was circle where everyone knew some level of Japanese, which was a big priority for Niji early on.

>>69805336
Because Elira thinks she runs Niji EN and acted on her own.

>>69814087
no one else, ever, tried to sewerslide themselves though. that's just her. regular people leave a shitty job and find a new one if they're unhappy

>>69811130
you know what they didn't do? get the rope. She's not locked in a fucking cage, it's just a job. The others simply left if they weren't enjoying it anymore, like non-mentally I'll people do

>>69811130
When you're the only person no one wants to do stuff with, odds are you're the problem, not everyone else. How does that saying go? Meet an asshole in the morning and they're the asshole. Meet assholes all day and you're the asshole.

>>69811281
>Sayu is a pure blood jap
>Talks about how much she likes racemixing
>Ultranationalism
The fuck?

>>69817696
its not just a job.
from the outside looking in it is literally the dream job for a lot of people. getting paid 200k+ a year to stream videogames, and having endless validation from your personal army of followers.

it is hard to feel too much pity for her situation when a lot of people see her complaints, and realize that they have suffered as harsh or harsher working conditions in a job that is infinitely worse than being a 4 views vtuber.

>>69805042
Anon, the writing was on the wall for a long time. It's your fault for refusing to see it. Still, there's a way out for you, just find new vtubers to watch outside Niji.

Elira graduation in 20min

>>69817696
>it's just a job
Over the long term both Nyanners and Kson suffered massive audience (and revenue) loss from leaving their corpos. Kson might talk about how much more of her money she is keeping, but recant stats show she'd have made more even with the Hololive cut. Short-term those talents do make bank, but long term it looks like a slow suffocation (as long as you're good and not Finana).

>>69817201
>Schizochama the pool of experienced Vtubers was very small back then
They hired fucking Finana for their very first wave, they absolutely did not give a shit about how experienced anybody was

>>69817979
How do we save her indie career from the hatemob!?

>>69817925
her biggest complaints are not getting her vanity projects like the shitty MV pushed through fast enough. that's enough to want to stop living? when you're playing video games for hundreds of thousands of dollars? yes it's very hard for me to sympathize.

>>69817696
Have you ever spoken in person to a single human being outside of your immediate family? You seem to have no idea how a normal human's emotions or ethics work.
>>69817772
Wanna explain then why companies were tripping over each other to try and get in her good graces the very instant she was out, knowing it'd sour their relationships with Nijisanji, with several immediately making sure they wouldn't renew contracts, or cancel collaborations? Why would they pick a single bpd menhera girl over a billion dollar company? Clearly she's just scamming them, right? It can't be that she's literally a better bet to work with than the company, right?

>>69818100
all the more reason to just stop making waves and stream and quit fucking with all the extra bullshit that's causing you problems

>>69818168
that's obvious, come on. Easy free PR, championing the poor widdle downtrodden castaway from le ebil corpo. The miniscule amount of niji stuff they sold was nothing compared to endless xitter goodwill

>>69818159
she casually mentions she wasted 200k on vanity projects as though that shouldn't disgust anyone with common sense and normal financial means
not only does it not seem to bother people, the narrative becomes that this is evidence of the company being awful and not supporting her and that in a just world the company would have paid that

>>69818168
>Wanna explain then why companies were tripping over each other to try and get in her good graces the very instant she was out
NTA, but who? A PC case manufacturer? That fanworks circle where the guy in charge of it had to come out and say that the opinion of the company does not reflect the opinion of the artists and artists were free to independently work with Nijisanji?

>>69818168
99% of the people disavowing niji are solo artists to literal who's. the only company level stuff is low mid size companies being generous. Hyte is the only one that had real clout but that's still a small company with niche products

>>69818375
also a lot of those people are artists that worked with selen aka people that selen grossly overpaid of course they have nice things to say about her

>>69818145
As long as the tide is against her. You can't. Elira is done for. Dokibird won. I actually feel bad for Elira if the rrat about Dokibird making 200k+ from being Selen was true.

>>69818279
OK so you're just either retarded thinking that a single PR stunt is worth losing the cooperation of a billion dollar company, or I've just bitten the stupidest bait and I'M the retard here. Or we're both retards. Either way you're not beating the allegations.

>>69818316
it truly is mindblowing how much sway the pity card has given to her. I expected all the normies to fall for it, but I thought people /here/ would be a bit more savvy

>>69818323
EA, Twitch? Those are big companies and although they didn't denounce niji, they were pretty eager to keep working with Doki

>>69818433
No what's mindblowing is the lack of unique IPs in this thread. Having fun talking to yourself, sister?

>>69818430
probably some of both. but niji barely has any of that stuff to begin with. they've lost nothing of consequence, 2 grand worth of PC cases? oh nyo

>>69818496
Get on your meds, schizo.

>>69818477
I'm talking about companies that cut Niji. EA and Twitch obviously don't give a fuck.

>>69818496
sorry stalker-chama, I've simply been replying to others

>>69804931
But not your asshole lol.

>>69818323
iBuyPower isn't just a case manufacturer bro... HYTE is just the case division, they're massive.

>>69810204
That's a lot of projection you are doing there, sister

>>69818100
Maybe they value their comfort and freedom more than numbers.

>>69819701
Fair enough, but that doesn't mean it's "just a job", but that it's the best job (at least financially) they'll ever have.

>>69820578
I guess everyone has their own understanding of what "the best job" is.

>>69818100
Is this the woman who was selling "creative freedom" as her main reason for joining vshojo? This stream list looks no different from any other vtuber.

>>69816559
The cost was likely inflated due to the sheer number of artists involved. If it was one team being paid to work on the video, it would have been easier to keep the costs under control. With multiple people with multiple rates, it's a lot harder to keep costs down while not coming across as being cheap on an individual level.

>>69817798
She was adopted and grew up in the US

>>69810429
There's a lotta attempted suicides in this industry. Mind, if they had let Selen graduate, or even just made a reasonable termination notice, we likely never would have heard of the suicide and they would have succeeded in covering it up (at least she's claiming that was her intent, to let that happen). For all we know, there's been another attempt, or several, and they were just more successfully swept under the rug.

Plus, the company is willing to point countless thousands of angry Dragoons at their own talents while saying, "One or more of these people may have bullied your oshi to death." - then do it again a few days later, this time putting forth the face and names of both the rumored queen bee and the rumored bullies, putting their lives in double jeopardy. I just thank the gods that Selen wasn't GFE so most of her fans aren't psychotic unicorns - but I'm sure there's still a few among the thousands.

If NijiEN is allowed to keep going as is, eventually, someone is going to die. It might be suicide, it might be murder, but eventually it will happen, and every day that branch exists increases the odds.

>>69804931
>clicked the thread expecting to see the ndf doing mental gymnastics to shit on doki
>they didn't disappoint

Like clockwork. You losers might be unpaid street-shitters, but your organisation is a well-oiled machine.

>>69815800
Part of it might be due to what is called 'lifestyle creep' where as your income goes up, so do your expenses. This happens because you can afford more, so you spend more. Before she was popular, she probably had a bunch of things she wanted to do, but couldn't afford. As her income went up, she could afford to do all her projects, so she did. Song covers, MVs, new outfits and related streaming assets, VRChat avatars and 3D modelers for Obsydia crossing and the Nijisanji Express + upgrades are not cheap.

>>69821573
>Selen wasn't GFE so most of her fans aren't psychotic unicorns
It doesn't matter, some of the other cast does GFE/BFE, and their customers may feel so betrayed by finding out what their oshi really is and go nuts, or go after Doki for tarnishing their kami-oshi's rep. It's not just the Dragoons you need to worry about, it's ALL the Nijisanji fandoms.

Though seeing that post from Petra, in the short term, I think a suicide may be more likely.

>>69821784
>>69815800
Having your projects regularly canceled means you gotta make new ones, and we don't know how much of that was artists and other such that Niji promised to pay yet failed to do so. She was their #1 streamer by views, so whatever investment she was doing, it worked.

Not that Doki herself doesn't admit she has a problem.

>>69822016
it sucks that people just see a number like $200k and don't think about what that really represents.

>>69805452
lol nm let her burn

>>69814212
>latest uproar is some shitty government overfunded covid app where a good chunk of the contractors they hired did jack shit
>The activist they assigned the role of environmental minister to wants to cut funding to road infrastructure
The leaf government would bungle this hard.

Nijisisters are retarded pigs who will continue to be farmed because they have no idea how to think for themselves and that’s the greatest pleasure. Knowing they’re too stupid to realise and will continue to be farmed for all they’ve got.

>>69809880
hololive isn’t going to ever be in that situation, but it’s a good cope nonetheless sister. hypothetically if 6 members of EN did leave on hostile terms and have a reputation as sunk as niji, i probably would drop my oshis after it

I take it you have noticed the "grassroot" push to shift the narrative that I'd mentioned in a thread a couple of days ago.
This is only the beginning. The livers in question plan to make an even bigger splash in anticipation of Elira's return to streaming. They came to the conclusion the backlash is negligible, and that they can easily control their communities with 4-week subscriber chats, membership streams, and heavy moderation.


Uki Violeta has been given a suspension, but management did not specify a set duration. He is already flirting with the idea of engaging his fanbase and nyfco for a twitter counter-attack. The livers are trying to distance themselves while walking on eggshells.

Yes, the "support the artists" was a premeditated PR initiative. No, it did not come from management. There have been discussions on discord, and some livers took it to themselves to tweet. They were brainstorming ideas and checking with each other about how they should form their tweets.

Vox was not given a suspension, as far as I know, he simply opted to take a break (citing mental health), even though management encouraged him to have a membership stream.

Enna, Millie, Elira, and Reimu have clamped up. Most of us have no idea what they've been told, but they have indeed been separately "coached" by the PR managers, as well as legal.

Rosemi, Scarle, Fulgur, Petra, Hex, and Meloco have been noticeably more distant.

Enna complained (extensively) about the noticeable decrease in revenue, in the wake of her latest "special" stream.

Some livers have taken to calling Dokibird "Dookiebird".

A lot of discussion about "dramatubers" on discord, but Slack is spotless.

A lot of paranoid schizophrenia manifesting as fear of typing anything out on discord, with the livers opting to hop on Voice Chat even for simple confirmations / refusals.
If you have questions ask away, so long as they don't jeopardize my OPSEC and non-disclosure and non-disparage agreements.

>>69822980
A twitter counter-attack against what?
Also why do they think the backlash and that Elira has lost a year of subscriber growth is negligible?

>>69822980
the absolute state of NijiEN is that I can't tell if this is a shitpost or not

>>69822980
Uki isn't suspended, he streamed with Doppio yesterday. Other than that, I'd believe it

>>69823336
He could've been suspended after the stream.

>>69823336
He stated afterwards that he is "taking a break" because "the world is cruel"

>>69810204
She is asian and they are shrew like that. I wont deny """""bullying"""", am sure all came to being the wrong kind of asian, but the artist thing was complete BS. Get told to not do thing, do it anyways, cry when you get told off.

>>69822980
While I don't want you to specify or reply to this post since NDA/NDisA may be able to be de-anonymized, I'm shocked that this wouldn't breach either/or as is.

>>69823461
You can keep trying to re-write history sister (I know your country does that all the time) but it isn't going to work.

>>69822980
Don't give me Hope with Petra being one of the good ones faggot, I already accepted that she's a bitch like Elira.

>>69822980
I'll bite. How are they viewing the stain on their company that has breached containment into the normiesphere?

>>69805336
because elira is an abuser narcissist and in her mind she's always in the right and it's all clearly the menhera victim's fault so her posting the video on her channel made her think the public would side with her. seems retarded but not to an egotistical bitch that thinks she never did anything wrong

>>69823192
Livers were initially afraid of the sheer backlash, making their streams unmanageable. They now believe they can comfortably moderate their streams and employ methods that make the issue moot.
They believe they overestimated the backlash they would get in their streams, in the form of chat and incendiary superchats.

They have lamented over the loss in subscribers, concurrent viewers, and revenue, but they were considerably more afraid of their career ending. I know people on 4channel like to joke about 2% merchandise cuts, but the reality is that livers live very comfortable lives in comparison to what they were making in their Past Lives.

>>69823336
Uki has been suspended, this is not speculative. He mentioned it on discord and an entire argument broke out. When a liver (from ILUNA) asked for the duration, he replied he didn't know if there even is a set duration.

>>69823531
I know for a fact this much does not breach the agreements, because at least 2 other livers have divulged considerably more information anonymously, in another website. The management was made aware, and it was concluded that they were not in breach.

>>69823616
As soon as the tutoring/coaching session ended (PR managers that were either hired for this express purpose or PR managers from main branch, I don't know) we have not gotten a lot of information about what happens moving forward. I know for a fact Elira, Enna, Millie, and Reimu received more tutoring/communication, but I don't know what it entailed.
They simply stressed we should go back to streaming as soon as possible, provided we are certain we can control our community and avoid infractions.

>>69822980
>Enna complained (extensively) about the noticeable decrease in revenue, in the wake of her latest "special" stream.

oh no, my actions have quantifiable consequences

>>69822980
So you're confirming the direct bullies were Ethyria plus Elira right?

>>69823806
To be honest everyone assumed this anyway.

>>69823741
Thanks LK

>>69823806
He's heavily implying, but not confirming it.

>>69823741
>>I know for a fact this much does not breach the agreements
Surely that would be down to clique in-groupness rather than the written NDA. Frankly this response reduces my assessment of plausibility, but a "I didn't read the NDA" response preserves anonymity at least.
Don't respond further to this line of discussion.

>>69823741
>He mentioned it on discord and an entire argument broke out
A discussion about what? Were most livers against his suspension or were they split on that?
>Some livers have taken to calling Dokibird "Dookiebird".
Clique livers only?

Also, why are you doing this? Do you dislike your work in nijien? What are you trying to accomplish? Do you hold a grudge? Why not just quit.

>>69822980
>>69823741
1. when do the next two graduations happen/ are announced, did they move it cause you leaked it?

2. personal rrat: was rosemi selens manager and that is why she seems to feel guilty? I was wondering if she was just pushing info along as "manager" and was just following orders, ever since the follow the rose comment you made, assuming youre actually LK

ignore 2nd if thats dangerous for you.

>>69823741
An insider threatened a major leak today. Is that why you and a bunch of others are monitoring /vt/?

>>69805992
what would she even gain from that? her vtuber career is over, maybe even the whole ass streaming career. Getting out now would only leave her stranded in japan without an income.

>>69823741
1. Did livers discuss that they should answer to baiters on twitter? Did they really think that would be a good idea? Did they try consulting PR first?

2. Is Scarle really being bullied somehow like some anons like to believe?

>>69822980
Are people turning on each other? Is there a chance we get to see public spats between livers?

>>69824107
she wouldn't be stranded, she could just go home to Canada

>>69821573
>I just thank the gods that Selen wasn't GFE so most of her fans aren't psychotic unicorns
Came to this thread just to say that you clearly weren't here for literally everything that happened after her first bento stream.

>>69804931
Unironically it will be and it will drive the haters mad.

>>69822980
>I take it you have noticed the "grassroot" push to shift the narrative that I'd mentioned in a thread a couple of days ago
Maybe, but it doesn't seem to have had much of an effect.
Even outside of here the vast majority of people still seems to be firmly in the 'niji bad' camp.

>>69823741
Who's idea was the black screen - talent or someone in management?

>>69824322
>haters
ok sister

>>69823905
No, I genuinely know that it would not be in breach of the agreements, because two other livers were effectively caught leaking information with express timelines and names, as well as directing third parties to disclose a coworker's PII. Management concluded they were not in breach.
I have spoken to legal counsel. I am not an idiot.

>>69823938
An argument about "dramatubers", the nature of racism, and lamentations about white people.

I have personally seen 6 people type the "pet name" out on discord. I don't know if there are more than have used it in voice calls.

I gave my "two-week" notice more than 4 months ago. Interestingly enough, that's not how it works in NijisanjiEN. Shame on me for not carefully reading the contract.

>>69823944
It was another liver that leaked the graduations. I never used the LK alias in any of my posts.

No, Rosemi was not a manager. Rosemi was never quite *in* the clique, but she was a satellite. The worst she's done was nervous laughs when coworkers were disparaged in front of her. It's up to you whether you deem her an accessory or a victim. I never liked how they treated her, it reminded me of Nina's treatment (before she unfortunately embraced it and fell in line).
I did not make the "follow the rose" post. I have only made two posts regarding Rosemi, and it was about the "save me pink girl" tweet, and about how characterizing her as "in cahoots" was not accurate.

>>69824442
>I gave my "two-week" notice more than 4 months ago. Interestingly enough, that's not how it works in NijisanjiEN. Shame on me for not carefully reading the contract.
Shit, so you can't just quit?
How long are you going to be stuck at nijien for?
When you finally manage to graduate, how will we know who you are? I'd like to support you if you keep streaming.
Shi

>>69824442
If this is larp it's fucking masterful. Either way I kneel.

>>69824442
Ok, another question.
Are you the only liver, that you know of, that tried to give your notice but got fucked by the contract and is now stuck there?

>>69824442

>>69815575
>>69816536
>>69816744
Explain

>>69824442
>I gave my "two-week" notice more than 4 months ago. Interestingly enough, that's not how it works in NijisanjiEN. Shame on me for not carefully reading the contract.
What the fuck this sounds like a hostage situation. How many more people have handed in their notice, if you can say?

>>69824442
>No, I genuinely know that it would not be in breach of the agreements, because two other livers were effectively caught leaking information with express timelines and names, as well as directing third parties to disclose a coworker's PII. Management concluded they were not in breach.
I have spoken to legal counsel. I am not an idiot.

Thank you, good to know that management gave tacit approval for the clique to disclose Doki's BPD diagnosis and past family history for use in the public smear campaign.

>>69824442
>Management concluded they were not in breach.
Did they perhaps "declare"?

>Rosemi, Scarle, Fulgur, Petra, Hex, and Meloco
I trust them, not Hex fuck him, but I hope these 5 are good ones...

>>69824149
Yes, there were lengthy discussions.

Scarle is not really associating too closely with coworkers, understandably. She is keeping a professional demeanor, is polite to everyone, and generally accommodating. She distanced herself after livers grouped-up and effectively pressured her to make-up with another liver, to signal how close they are. This is not at all uncommon in NijisanjiEN. These types of "interventions" are commonplace.

>>69824186
No, people are not really turning on each other. People are distancing themselves and creating tight-knit groups, while maintaining the veneer of a big functional family.

>>69824380
I don't know, to be honest. Elira talked with the main branch, and then after some back-and-forth she, Millie, and Vox told us to retweet the "stream". I presume some livers watched it before retweeting/quote tweeting, but I didn't.

>>69810779
What's really funny is one of the points why they lost is because they can't say they have been damaged when they're still selling roa's merch and voice packs like nothing happened

Just absurdly stupid lmfao

>>69824442
>I gave my "two-week" notice more than 4 months ago. Interestingly enough, that's not how it works in NijisanjiEN. Shame on me for not carefully reading the contract.
My personal rrat is that vox doesn't know this either and didn't realize that Selen had already put in the paperwork but they wouldn't let her go. Also, that Vox is a two faced piece of shit, but that is more of a fact than a rrat.

>>69824442
Please, tell me that Doppio is a good guy.

>>69824442
thanks, I saw that post too.
I assumed she wasnt "in" the clique and making her the manager or handler of Selen and forcing her to keep denying selens requests on clique orders was an attempt to hide the extent to which clique directly messed with Selen, which is why I assumed LK did say follow the rose, but ALSO implied shes mostly innocent.
I consider her a victim either way.

>>69823741
>They have lamented over the loss in subscribers, concurrent viewers, and revenue, but they were considerably more afraid of their career ending. I know people on 4channel like to joke about 2% merchandise cuts, but the reality is that livers live very comfortable lives in comparison to what they were making in their Past Lives.

While I do feel bad that some livers are suffering 'collateral damage' they are the ones who need to leave as soon as they can. Even if they were to just keep their head down and try to return to streaming, staying will only worsen the mental damage that they have suffered. :(

>>69824888
>she, Millie, and Vox told us to retweet the "stream"
>I presume some livers watched it before retweeting/quote tweeting, but I didn't

Were some livers upset after they found out the content of said stream? Anyone felt betrayed? I sure would feel.

i feel bad for livers, they’re hapless in the face of something enormous, whether there’s anything that they’re actually deserving of blame for or not. i can imagine ways things could have gone differently and they could have saved themselves and selen (assuming she’s unhappily trapped in this situation too, maybe that’s wrong), but it requires being friends rather than coworkers, and being able to publicly say things that the company probably doesn’t allow you to say. at best now we can only hope that everything will be forgotten.

>>69824888
This is a bit more personal and I don't expect you to know, but what's with Kotoka? Is it mental issues, is she distancing herself or is she suspended?

>>69824888
>Millie
Is she part of the management as well?

>>69824994
>they are the ones who need to leave as soon as they can
Sounds like they can't if what this insider is saying is true. Imagine not being able to just quit your job, fucking black company.

>>69824658
You were spot on in your deductions in that thread. I have nothing to add.

>>69824528
I know you have been joking about a queue. Well, there effectively is a queue. You can technically leave, but that you open you up for liability, suits, and severance fines.
I don't think I will go back to streaming after this. At least for a good white.

>>69824645
I only know of two livers that have confirmed talking with HR about contract termination. There could be more, but I am keeping virtually everyone at an arm's length.

>>69825060
Assuming this is from the same person.

>>69825031
Nice try sister, it's more than clear now that while Nijisanji is a black company, the clique made the working environment a living hell for those who went against them. They at least deserve all that's happening too them

>>69825120
>I know you have been joking about a queue. Well, there effectively is a queue. You can technically leave, but that you open you up for liability, suits, and severance fines.
How long is the queue? Is it just for NijiEN or do you have to wait for the JP graduations too?

>>69825120
Are you aware of any other communication from up above other than PR people and those you've mentioned already?

>>69825059
ah nono, i get that, but inevitably there will be someone who thinks they can "tough it out" rather than facing loss of income. sadly it's also why those who have suffered poverty stay in financially abusive positions rather than escaping.

>>69825031
>at best now we can only hope that everything will be forgotten.
LMAO. No. NijiEN is clearly mismanagement, but the ones doing the bullying and harassment were the livers themselves.

>>69824888
Has there been any communication/fallout from JP management? The fact that the CEO himself made a video bowing and addressing the situation shows that they're at least a bit concerned about the entire shitshow.

Also, just curious on how the whole debacle has affected the newly joined livers like victoria. She seems to be siding with the company, if what you're saying is true. Regardless, it's going to be a massive uphill battle for them.

>>69825283
It's literally how modern slavery works, fucking despicable.

>>69825059
>When you can't quit your shit job, but you can quit life

I don't know why but I really feel like this specific leaker is from Noctyx, minus Uki, or maybe Ren or Kunai?

Feels like someone older than 25 wrote this.

>>69825372
Well, that'd be a short cut I guess.

>>69805042
This is what happens when you embrace escapism. dread it run from it destiny arrives all the same. you can never escape this cruel world.
stay strong fren

>>69825376
Not that guy, but it's better to no speculate right now.

>>69804931
whore

>>69825460
Yeah you are right.
Sorry insider, don't mind my silly dramafag brain.

>>69806114
are you asking that literally?

I do have a couple questions:
Have the livers that are still inside the company changed their feelings towards it?
For example, have they been talking back against management more often or expressed their disappointment in it?
And second, have any of them supported the decisions made by the graduated or terminated livers like Pomu or Selen?

>>69825120
Are you upset with your fans for defending the company? I'm assuming you don't let them know about your unfortunate situation but are you looking for options outside? Like a real world job, trade, etc?

Question:
Why are you feeling so comfortable on sharing so many details? They could easily guess who you are, are you not worried about it?

Are any of the organs openly seething about Doki's success?
I'm not asking for names, just if there are any.

>>69825120
I know I'm just an anon, but for your own mental health, it sounds like it's time to lawyer/solicitor up (more than you already have), see how you can mitigate your exposure, and perhaps grit your teeth and set aside some of your rainy day fund to pay out the minimum fine possible.

Getting ahead of a potential Selen-esque smear by priming your trusted contacts with social media followings to get a message out and soften your reputational damage wouldn't hurt either, even if you plan on taking a break from streaming for a while.

Good luck.

>>69824963
We're not close, but he appears to be a good guy. No issues whatsoever. Not going to say more, lest you figure out my gen.

>>69825005
You appear to be assuming it was a livestream.

>>69825038
Sorry, no idea. We were told it was something stress-related, and she only mentioned stepping back for mental health issues.

>>69825060
There's no actual concrete management in NijisanjiEN. For the regular liver the closest thing to a manager is Elira. Millie and Enna are her little helpers. Unless of course you want to jump through hoops, trying to ping people on Slack and being passed around all the while receiving contradictory instructions.

>>69825150
Yes, this was a post I made.

>>69825246
A liver had to wait close to a year, and another had to wait a little over six months. Beats me.

>>69825262
Elira is in communications with the main branch as well as NijisanjiEN "managers" that interestingly enough can't really speak english, but I don't know the specifics on who she's in contact with or what that entails. As for the rest of us, we've talked with HR during orientation, the onboarding managers, and the PR managers just recently.

>>69825376
It's someone being deliberately dry in how they write. If it's real, then it's in our best interest not to guess.

>>69825746
>A liver had to wait close to a year
Pomu...

>>69825746
Appreciate the response. Stay strong friend.

>>69805336
She knew that actual management would never agree to this video, so she was unable to request access to the official en channel.

>>69825746
>A liver had to wait close to a year
>Le Retard de Vox "You can graduate when you want" Akuma

>>69825746
>You appear to be assuming it was a livestream.
I knew it, their reactions had to be prerecorded, they were too stiff.

>>69825323
The only communication we've gotten was in the form of the tutoring/debriefing from the PR team.
Again, Elira, Enna, Millie, and Reimu got further communication, but I don't know what that entailed.

Newer members are understandably not intimate with how things work, and might believe most, if not all, of what's been happening is not representative of reality. They might genuinely believe their "family" is infallible, and everything's an elaborate mischaracterization. You cannot overestimate ignorance and preconceived notions.

>>69825589
I am effectively living a double-life. I have emotionally distanced myself enough to not let it affect me too much. Yes, I am actively considering my options and making plans.

>>69825713
This was the first thing I did. Fortunately I have a solid support structure outside the industry, which includes family and real life friends.

>>69826036
which also means the video was likely passed around before being released to the public

>>69825903
How the hell can someone be this dumb???
Did she get approval from management for uploading this video at all?

>>69826120
>This was the first thing I did. Fortunately I have a solid support structure outside the industry, which includes family and real life friends.

good on you for looking out for yourself. as another anon said, thank you for these updates and stay strong

Last questions from me: have the livers ever talked about the harassment that Zaion got when she was terminated? did anyone of them feel bad about throwing her under the bus? were finana and kotoka encouraged to talk bad about her?

What happened with Scarle's stuff? Did she take it down? Did management make her?

>>69826140
That was just some anon throwing stuff at the wall, the leaker is mass replying and that anon's style does not match his.

>>69826140
My guess would be she was explicitly told by upper management to address the situation.

>>69825746
So Elira is basically still in control of the EN branch. Yeah I don't expect anything to change.

>>69826120
Thanks for the info not-LK, good luck to you.

Is nobody worried about 3rd parties?
Jokes aside Mumei will torpedo your bran h if she thinks she can and that it is necessary to protect Doki

>>69826120
Any talks/rumors about planning new attacks on Doki? And (a long shot) on Sayu?

>>69826120
Thanks for the info anon and hope you get out of that hellhole soon. Best of luck!

>>69826120
If any of what you're talking is true, I thank you for exposing yourself for potential backlash just to bring out the truth.

>>69826124
I don't think so, at least not outside people who weren't supposed to see it. It seems that there a attempt at keeping a lot of people out of the loop so the clique can make sure nobody goes overhead, so it likely that only people in the clique saw it.

>>69826265
>he confuses his fanfictions with reality
Anon, please...

>>69825916
Vox used to be my second favorite niji. Now i hate him. This whole thing has really soured me on nijisanji.

>>69826223
I mean, the anon did say he doesn't know how the PR conversation held just between Elira, MIllie, Reimu, and Enna was and seems like Elira also directly talks to the JP manager by herself so we don't really know if indeed she's still in good terms or will remain in power.
I sure hope not, not a good look that niji didn't hire actual EN managers though. Without a professional shit will remain messy.

>>69826120
What about this? >>69825711

Btw, assuming this is not a giant LARP, this thread convinced me that not everyone in nijiEN is human garbage.
I wish you luck in your future endeavors, whatever they may be.

>Verification not required

>>69826120
What happened to the 3D pipeline that keeps it stuck with Obsydia still having nothing a solid year later? Has there been any revolt or any other unpleasant reactions for this long wait?

>>69826308
It has quite comprehensively peeled back the curtains on a really toxic industry. I don't see niji recovering their image in the west any time soon and certainly not keeping their spot as the second biggest agency.

>>69826120
That is fine and all Scarle, but you should really clean your room.

>Reimu
That alcoholic?

Question: are the livers ok with the prospect that the remaining of their fanbase will at large be based in SEA and the rest of Asia?
Asking because those countries have weaker currencies so even big numbers would result in less cash, no?

Are you guys aware of the scoop that False and the other dramatubers are working on?

>>69826120
>They might genuinely believe their "family" is infallible
I kind of feel bad for the new members now. This helps fill in the holes as to why Vivi acts the way she does on Twitter.

Thanks for the leaks, and hope you can get out safely with minimal mental scarring

>>69826421
Reimu is an alcoholic? I legit never see people discussing her or her streams, why do you watch her?

>>69826190
I wonder if any of them expressed remorse for bullying Selen desu

>>69826190
Expressing solidarity or coming to the defense of Zaion is verboten in NijisanjiEN. You have to realize what the culture is like. I am sure a lot of us were awestruck she was terminated over such minor infractions, but no one outwardly expressed it.
There is only one "correct" opinion.

>>69825643
They cannot afford to action against me, even if they managed to figure out who I am. What I am doing is considerably more benign than what others have done, without so much as getting a suspension.

>>69825711
Yes, predictably. Very much so.

>>69825527
Yes, "jokes" about the branch shutting down and going unemployed are something of a regular pastime. They never quite go so far as to attack the company, but they let it slip often.

The only "correct" stance to take is to bemoan the damage Selen has done, and how even though her qualms are justified (no one dares to minimize suicide outright), the "dramatubers" and toxic antis blew it out of proportion and mischaracterized the whole ordeal. This is the gestalt. They often qualify how serious and scary suicide is, only to proceed to besmirch and attack Selen's character. Duplicity is a forte of many.

>>69825746
>Elira is in communications with the main branch as well as NijisanjiEN "managers" that interestingly enough can't really speak english
How the fuck is she communicating with them? Her JP is barely serviceable for everyday conversations, there's no way she can speak business moonrunes.

>>69826421
Looks like Elira found the leaker. Go back you whore

I'd think the massive failure of the black screen video along with all the money lost over the last weeks would convince Riku Tazumi to do an internal investigation and clean house, but I guess continuing to shuffle along with the clique as long as humanly possible also works.

>>69826569
Has any liver expressed remorse for bullying Selen or her suicide attempt?

And how did the internal investigation go? Any word on if they're still investigating what to do with Elira and the clique or are they keeping them on?

Best of luck, leaker-san.

>>69826553
In this kind of high school esque bullying situation there's absolutely no way they don't consider themselves as the victims in this.

Not insider-anon, but Nijisanji has effectively painted themselves into a corner by relying on Elira to act as a management liaison.

The only way to break that is to hire a manager fully proficient in Japanese and English who is empowered by the main branch and exerts authority immediately without being "trained" by Elira. However, you won't get that kind of forceful, self-determined personality from a minimum wage job posting and the company doesn't even spring for play buttons for its talents.

Folding the branch into NijiJP is a highly undesirable option, as it will look terrible to investors and doesn't address the problem of having no English-speaking managers. NijiJP's worries are worse than the fears West Germany and South Korea had about incorporating their communist neighbors.

>>69822980
1. Is the clique real?
2. How much influence does Elira really have?
3. Can you provide some insights on the specific reason why some livers left?
a. Pomu
b. Kyo (like he was allegedly a close friend of Enna, so one would think he was not really antagonized)
c. Selen (do you know of any specific case of bullying against her by other talents)

>>69826683
Assuming anything approaching competent management is found, they'll probably pull a Wactor and rebrand.

>>69826380
Just a lot of confusion and disappointment. It's not even a major point of discussion, all things considered.

>>69826272
I suspect they are going to keep fabricating PR initiatives and grassroot stunts. A recently graduated liver expressly agreed to get in touch with influencers and twitter personalities, after all.

>>69826194
If you are referring to Valentine's, it was most likely miscommunication and time management.
If you are referring to the hearted comment, she was technically reprimanded, but no action was taken, and it was not considered to be a major infraction. Management cannot afford to make martyrs out of livers.

>>69826569
Do you know any specifics about how Selen was bullied/harassed?
Was she called mean things publicly in the Discord/Slack? Or were her projects just railroaded?

>>69826930
>I suspect they are going to keep fabricating PR initiatives and grassroot stunts. A recently graduated liver expressly agreed to get in touch with influencers and twitter personalities, after all.
Fucking Kyo that snake

>>69826569
Assuming you're actually legit, how many do you know are planning to graduating? Don't need to hear specific people, I'm just curious on the amount.

>>69826851
Many of these he addressed already. Here's a compilation of posts I know of that I assume are made by him.
https://imgur.com/a/zByTQdG

>>69826851
Yes.
A lot. Outsized.
Mismanagement. Lack of clear goals. Stagnation. Lack of structure. High-school politics. Miscommunication. Sabotage / ostracization.

>>69826984
39IQdaph...

>>69826569
Is Eliera the sole liaison between the EN japanese management? Or is there anyone else their with enough clout/trust with the actual management who can match her? Because it sounds to me like she's been selling herself as the perfect subordinate, and since Japan's culture has a heavy focus on willing senpai-kouhia thing, is that how she has the power she does?

>>69826930
How is their attempts at astroturfing a smear campaign against Doki going? How are the influencers that are on board with this idea doing? How many influencers have turned down this campaign and what did they think of such an idea?

>>69826617
Maybe she was pretending to be retarded. They (Enna and Millie) made public they were RL friends of Elira a year after being in Nijisanji, so at least they can keep stuff shut for a while.

>>69827064
I know Petra used to help out at first, but she withdrew and just stopped engaging. I don't know what transpired.

>>69826569
Could we get a name or hint as to the next graduation is?

>>69827054
>>69827169
Do you know if the internal investigation finished and if they're going to terminate Elira or the clique or not?

>>69827054
Do people feel Selen overreacted or is there non-discord communication that things were bad

>>69826930
It's obvious that graduated liver is Kyo, confirmed by Daph's recent attacks against Doki, anons keep coping about Pomu's "solidarity" with Doki but her interactions with not-Nina (who had no problem being friendly with not-Kyo) make believe she's more likely to openly side with Elira than to do it with Doki.

>>69827050
thanks

>>69826569
>The only "correct" stance to take is to bemoan the damage Selen has done, and how even though her qualms are justified (no one dares to minimize suicide outright), the "dramatubers" and toxic antis blew it out of proportion and mischaracterized the whole ordeal. This is the gestalt. They often qualify how serious and scary suicide is, only to proceed to besmirch and attack Selen's character. Duplicity is a forte of many.
I will continue to paint all nijjjers with the same brush. As someone who used to be suicidal and dealt with these kind of people before, I cannot ignore them being like this. Just know that any flak you catch isn't meant for "the good ones" which probably don't exist.

>>69827314
Just my rrats but I do think NotNina is reevaluating her relationship with those bitches.
She openly says she's with NotPomu and pink girl but not Elira or Petra, who are also in Japan.
I hope Petra is one of the good ones tho

>>69821218
It's creative freedom to be a whore.

>>69827230
I honestly do not know, because even though there's effectively a queue, the places in that queue are not known to me.

>>69827246
Well, when it comes to us that are only tangentially relevant, the investigation is probably finished. I don't know about the ones directly implicated.

>>69827286
No one is callous or bold enough to assert that, because suicide is a big deal in this "culture", but many have insinuated that she overreacted or that the dramatubers made it a bigger deal than it is. There are some that even tacitly asserted that what was alleged in the documents does not actually constitute harassment because there was no physical violence employed.
Some people are genuinely morally insolvent or solipsistic.

>>69827314
Nina was the recipient of very much the same flavor of harassment as Selen, but she very quickly internalized her place in the hierarchy. Selen was independent, ambitious, and honest. This was her gravest sin.

>>69826984
>>69827059
>>69827060
>>69827314

Not leaker anon, but Diego/Patterns (indie music producer who's worked for Enna/Vox) also signal boosted the "Dokilen" doc, but like most normies, had reservations about it attacking her BPD. There was even a big debate on Nyfco about.

Unfortunately, the clique trying to use that against Doki continues to hurt them in the West and on Twitter, where mental illness is less stigmatized.

>>69827510
>she's with NotPomu
NTA, but notPomu has spoken relatively well for her "previous company". I suggest taking the same grain of salt as the person you're replying to. You don't know what notPomu is behind the screen and which friends she'll prioritize in a pinch.

>>69825711
>>69826569
>Are any of the organs openly seething about Doki's success?
I'm not asking for names, just if there are any.
>Yes, predictably. Very much so.
kek

>>69822980
>Rosemi, Scarle, Fulgur, Petra, Hex, and Meloco have been noticeably more distant.

Hex and Fulgur seem to have been super snaky with management posts I just can't believe its anything other than coincidence without evidence they'd have no reason to give to outsiders lmao.

Petra Rosemi being loyal to selen still would be super nice they seemed like they have very genuine friendly interactions with each other. If those were fake it would be really bleak. Petra seems prone to bullying even outside of this bullied persona shes made in niji i would not be shocked nor would I be overly harsh on her for falling in with a bad crowd based on my own parasocial schizo mind reading.

It would also be nice if she had more neutral friends that still considered her a friend like maria doppio and I know people hate him atm but also uki i liked the pomu selen and uki bitch squad i thought they were funny and if its funny i don't care who's mad lol

>>69827549
Is the any future info to you can leak that will come out soon that will verify that your real?

>>69827510
Man, I just hope that NotNina and NotPomu are not bitches like the clique girls
Any sane person would distance themselves from them as far as possible after this debacle

>>69827630
It's also basic office politics to not talk shit about your previous employer. Anyone who might think of hiring you can always see you doing that and then decide to not risk you making them your next target.

Alas it's page 10 and the Q&A might be ending so real or not, thank you Nijispy. Even if you were just a larp, these at the very least look like educated guesses into nijiEN's internal workings and its fate.

>>69827549
>the places in that queue are not known to me.
In typical Japanese business fashion, it's intentionally opaque because it has no real fixed structure. They can do whatever they want under a mountain of eternal "anoooo..."

You either have made a promise and get clique support (Kyo), are an active troublemaker (Zaion, Selen), or are seen as a drain (Yugo, though there's rumors the native JP proficiency was a threat too). If you're in the middle and earning their money, they'll keep you around until it becomes legally dubious to ignore, like after a whole year (Pomu).

This is just from an outside perspective. For all we know, Pomu might have even opted to pay a severance fine to jump the queue after hearing about Selen.

>>69827549
>Nina was the recipient of very much the same flavor of harassment as Selen, but she very quickly internalized her place in the hierarchy.
This was my initial hunch as well. Thanks leaker anon.

Do you think it is correct of me to presume the original LK might have been Luca's mod gf leaking things anonymously under his name?

Thanks for talking to us spy-san, good luck whatever you do!

>>69827050
Are you gonna update this when the thread ends?

Thank you nijispy. Stay safe out there.

>>69827851
well we haven't seen any interaction between them and dokibird have we.

My assumption is that there would be a complete rebranding and restructuring of NijiEN (Niji Global or something). Terminations and graduations would be baked into the announcement as a 'change in contract' issue and invariable attrition as the company streamlines. (or some other horse shit).
Basically, it rips the band aid off for investors and allows Riku to pretend he's in some kind of control whilst also pointing to an optimistic future.
This is in the pipeline, isnt it?

I won't be able to provide concrete information that would substantiate my assertions, because I genuinely don't know much when it comes to future events. I keep my interactions to a bare minimum, and have been for a while now.

Finally, I don't know how the original LK poster was, but I posit they must have been a liver. I don't think a moderator would be privy to imminent graduations.

>>69827549
thank you for your service
I noticed a few patterns in your phrasing today (didnt before). I dont watch nijis enough to make any guesses and obv Idk if you were being intentional, I wont go into details of course. Just be careful please

>>69827866
If anything, this seems to point more into Pomu wanting to return to corpo life by making her image and CV as clean as it can be for her next employer. In fact, considering how meticulous she is in wanting to make herself clean, it's likely she's looking to join a JP corpo again where they certainly give more of a shit about track records, as opposed to any western run corpo such as Vshojo or Phase, though they certainly aren't out of the question and would be fallbacks in case Holo or Brave rejects her.

>>69828079
its reasonable they would give her support privately but not do it publicly until after everything settles

Has Selen been "a target" for a while or are efforts against her limited to a few months?

>>69827160
I can't buy that she's been pretending to struggle with simple kanji from chat and SCs since debut, anon. Petra and Shu are the only ones from the earlier waves I believe capable of actually communicating with JP in any official capacity.

>>69828127
Yes, actually. The PR team spoke of restructuring, new management structure, and an on-boarded psychologist.
This is something I expanded on in a previous thread, if I remember correctly.

>>69828079
People forget that the abused often internalize the abuse and become abusers themselves. Regardless of who you were before coming into contact with an abusive situation, you often perpetuate the cycle after you are out.

T. has perpetuated the cycle.

>>69828214
There is only one organ with the intelligence and education to use the term "genuinely morally insolvent or solipsistic." Makes it pretty clear who it is if it's not a good larper.

>>69828275
It became noticeable to me early last spring.

>>69828167
LK was obviously Luka or a Luka impostor. Maybe even his ex moderator: Because they wrote exactly like how he talks.

>>69828419
Alright so most of a year at least

>>69828419
So Selen endured it for almost a year.
Seriously fuck them and fuck their high school bullshit
I regret ever watching them

>>69827549
>Selen was independent, ambitious, and honest
Yep, that's my oshi.

>>69828388
If only to muddy the waters and protect the Nijispy, a lot of the organs have or are at the undergraduate and postgraduate level and can absolutely type up something better than their streaming personas suggest.

>>69828419
She herself said on twitter back in May last year she had been denied an assistant, guessing this had something to do with it.

>>69828606
ChatGPT is also real helpful in rewriting paragraphs in different styles

>>69804931
Ok, back on topic.

wuv wiwa

>>69828715
Good news then, it appears she'll be back to normal soon.

Hmm
Is it REALLY just about Elira bring obsessed about her "Brand" and not liking a more successful add-on?

>>69815800
you have to take into consideration that if she didn't spend those 200k, she wouldn't have gained 200k.
Without events, projects, etc, she would have even less money.

Even if Nijisanji itself wants the livers to move on and memoryhole the Selen incident, the clique having that Sword of Damocles over their heads most closely has had them scrambling to make panicked pleas to the dregs of the internet to attack Doki/defend them.

The extra PR sessions with Elira, Enna, Millie, and Reimu are really telling. Not sure if they'll ever be able to move on themselves.

>>69828845
And that's just with the projects that weren't cancelled. Now she's at full power.

Can i ask a wildcard question?
Vox didnt know what was on that recording. Someone may have given him the impression that it was far more damaging than it was...
Do you think he was stitched up? Because im not a kindred (henyas my oshii dazo), and after doki said what it was, i think someone fed him bullshit deliberately.

>>69828923
>Not sure if they'll ever be able to move on themselves.
I think you're getting into revenge fantasy territory here. They'll be told to clamp it for a few months and then they'll forget it and move on. People don't seeth about something for years.

itll be fine once theres total niji death

>>69829013
No, Vox did read the transcript of the recording, but he was under the impression the recording included their entire interaction. In reality, it included a couple of minutes of mostly sound-checking small-talk.

Can you reply to all of the posts you made? It's pretty clear which ones they are but it would be nice to remove ambiguity.

>>69828845
Not sure if you’re being deliberately reductive or retarded. There is no one to one correlation with expenses and profit. Much of it was on non-recoupable stuff, the “profit” was increasing branch morale, visibility, fun, and possible self-aggrandizement. Things like the 3D VR worlds or the wrestling belt.

>>69816036
nigga that's the most tourist take I ever seen today

>>69829066
Nah, they are clearly vindictive as fuck. They will be reminded of this every time they see doki anywhere.

I am guessing individuals have been driving a wedge between Pomu and Selen for quite a while?

>>69816193
the MV was done by multiple artists
that in my opninion is the main reason
if you contract less artists they are more likely to charge less per piece
but since she got dozens doing 3~5 pieces each they probably charging their normal fees

>>69828923
Elira brings in Enna and Millie, two lazy losers. And later get Reimu into the clique, one would expect they would try it with Finana and Pomu too, but maybe Finana is too fucking stupid and Pomu might have had the same "problem" Nina initially had, they really gave a shit.

>>69829175
https://imgur.com/a/FgY6cdi
These are all the ones I have that I'm reasonably confident are from the same person, including the ones from this thread. Feel free to compile them with more if you know of any.
Thread archive will be here: >>/vt/thread/69804931#p69822980

>>69829066
>People don't seeth about something for years.

I agree with >>69829254
narcs never forget public humiliation. Especially like this. Hell, theres a narc that messed with me really badly and he spent a over a year trying to get to me again just because what he did became public and I wasnt even the one that talked it was the other victim and he knows it, but since I was the one that ended up on the brink, he wanted the job finished.

>>69829511 (me)
Wrong link, here:
https://imgur.com/a/L3n1qUS

>>69829254
Yeah if they were so vindictive with Zaion who's biggest offense to clique was having a rebellious personality you can imagine what they fill about Doki

Message to the insider: Were you the one who posted the "Feb 23" thing in another thread? If so, what happened with that because nothing has happened yet?

>>69826569
Godspeed leaker-san. I'll drink a pint to your success.

>>69829631
I think it might be good to archieve the posts he's replying to either. Some of those replies don't make sense without knowing what they're referring to.

>>69829693
No, that was not me.
I never made such posts. I try to expand on the rationale and provide insight, when applicable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKm-MqVoLzg

>>69826930
Hi leaker-san, considering that you've said elira is like the "manager" of EN, how is the thought process on collabing with vtubers from indies and other companies? (Like holoEN and vshojo etc.) Are you like not allowed or stop collabing with others for the mean time?

Just to add does the Hyte Collab cancellation affected the talents that should have been benefited? Thanks

>>69829840
Private video

>>69829840
what is this?

>>69829840
If that's a scheduled release from an organ, I'll believe leaker 100% no doubts

>>69829840
Maybe this is the leak and it's going to be unprivated today