/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

kek, gotta love that >negligible also became a meme on 5ch

Ahh so this is why the NDF hates drama so much. JP really has turned on them. Negligible.

>Nijisanji who exposed Japan's black companies to the world wwwww

What was the JP reaction to the Black(ed) Stream? Surely they thought it was a complete disaster?

>demoralization slide thread #464216
Holofags desperately trying to beat out jews for biggest scum in the planet huh

>>69687907
They got forced to face reality when their CEO bowed his head to foreigners.

>>69688112
They do not speak English, all they hear is a cute girl all choked up speaking mystery words and now they want to murder the kaigai fuckers

>>69687743
The JP side has always had better memes
>yacht
>graduation is the content
>Me posting
There's bunch more within just the past few weeks

>>69687594
"The end of the guy who chose Pokemon instead of Pal World"
kek

>>69688112
Dunno if it's been translated into Nihongo yet, but they did see the CEO dogeza. They know that the defecation has hit the oscillation.

>>69688112
They're actually on the right side of this. I'll be grudge posting the hell out of current drama next year.

>>69688214
You won the race years ago racist nijisister.

>>69688112
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onoLTLEdT98&lc=Ugzix37cXOw3_9Ox-rx4AaABAg
Well this guy with a pile of subs is politely saying it was fucking idiotic, in Japanese. The tone is more subdued, more corpo, and more "pls don't sue me" than in the West for obvious reasons, but he made similar conclusions to the rest of us - it is the very definition of a PR disaster. Situation normal, all fucked up.

>>69687594
always interesting to see how nips act on 5ch compared to twitter or youtube comments

>>69688112
The stream took place on an en talent's channel and doesn't have jp subtitles.
Needless to say they haven't seen that but they sure have seen the countless memes involving Riku.

>>69687594
>...it's an incompetent branch with no one too stop it
Grim

>https://i.imgur.com/YEZ5RHH.png
>https://en.p2y.jp/nijisanji-project-youtube-subscribers-decline-may-reach-minus-2-1-million-in-3-weeks/

[Sad news] BREAKS me after being spammed on /a/ during chainsaw man anime.

>>69688435
It's not a dogeza level yab. Riku has only bowed so far.

>>69688602
Full 90 degree and holding is still pretty serious

>>69688435
Riku only did a bow, dogeza is like this

>>69687594
Why are they all Shinzo Abe?

>>69688460
I like it when nip tries to explain english slang.
Remind me that time when they tried to explain kino to other nips.

>>69688681
Yeah it's pretty serious. It's the highest tier of standing bowing.
He'll have to start kneeling to get more serious than this.

>>69687743
That IR is super funny in Japanese too because of the final 以上。it's literally
"The impact of Selen Tatsuki termination will be insignificant to the company! End of the talk!"

>>69688909
JOPs are hilarious

>>69689039
i guess it's funny if you've never read a business doc in your life

>>69689146
I also laughed at how confused they were at people spamming "L" and "take the L" on Elira's black stream.

>>69688435
There was a JP Translation of just that video and w/o other context most comments were impressed by the genuine sadness in the livers voice (seriously) and felt disappointed in Selen
https://youtu.be/l6q8mNUNfQY?si=jSINZ473G4f55r14

Then yesterday a popular normie half-english JP YouTuber with 1M subs covered the drama by the overseas perspective and a lot more JP viewers realised how stupidly petty nijisanji was in all of this
https://youtu.be/onoLTLEdT98?si=uf9zvJmwJ5ZuYO9y

>>69689149
business docs aren't of 2 fucking rows. The final 以上 for such a short document is the cherry on the top

>>69689437
Kek that second guy is good. I'm already laughing at Rushia skit in first minutes.

>>69689574
to me that always was half the comedic value of that document, how stupidly short it was

>>69689039
>>69689149
The JOPs are also finding it really funny.

>https://i.imgur.com/U57tTdX.jpg

>>69689389
Is it a type of overseas grass?

>>69688552
It's also kinda hilarious how Ike once again got dismissed as an accessory to Elira and Vox.

>>69689880
The Face with Steam From Nose emoji is just perfect with this copypasta.

>>69690074
Ike inclusion was so random and inconsequential, I have no idea why he was there.

>>69690197
Having the (former) top organ and the clique ringleader would have been too obvious, so they got the most unassuming guy they could find.

>>69687594
>0003
>0053
KEK
0053 is especially funny just because of the unintentional coupling of minor and the sobbing face

post more of these screencap i love it

>>69690074
ike probably took the biggest sigh of relief when people were going after the other two more than him

>>69689039
>>69689574
For comparison, Cover put out an IR note about refunding tickets for the summer live day 1 (when ZaN shit the bed)
The document has the same conclusion (the impact on our financial results is minor) but it provides additional context, showing that someone actually took a bit of time to consider the situation rather than just seeing the stock price taking a dump and panicking.

>>69690304
They didn't have models up because they knew he'd blink in morse code.

>>69690197
Ike was truly negligible

>>69688366
Does that mean we got the meme first this time? Well really it's just repeating the absurdity of the situation with no alteration, so I'm not sure if you can say we or they noticed it first.

>>69690493
kek
Dude is streaming like he was never part of that stream. Its too funny.

>>69688552
>The Japanese have Youtuber haircut
Some things never change.

>>69688681
He held his hands wrong so it was just another showing in Nijisanjis disrespect
And no I am not even joking, it is what the nips said about his bow
Hand behind back = someone who hides something or some shit

>>69690197
Ike was pretty close with Selen so they might have thought that it would show that even her friends have turned their backs against her

>>69687594
>a Vtuber office that is under fire
no, it is a Vtuber office that is ON fire

>>69690893
I didn't see any JP comments implying that it had a deeper meaning but they definitely see it as improper and a reflection of Riku's ineptitude.

>>69690366
JOP tourists are too funny.

>>69689437
holy fuck the japanese love riding on that corporate dick
just read the comments: all of them praising vox, elira, and like, claiming that niji can do nothing wrong, and calling anyone criticizing niji as "anti-establishment" or some shit.
what the fuck is wrong with that country.
no wonder their country got destroyed in ww2: they're so in their own ass, they can't see out of it

>>69690893
Proper etiquette dictates that you are supposed to keep your hands on your sides when bowing down and then keep them in front of you while issuing the apology, japs were clowning on Riku for being an uncultured swine and showing how much of a business school dropout for not knowing basic stuff like this and keeping his arms behind his back through the whole thing.

Also, according to Body Language Experts™ keeping your hands behind your back is also is a very basic sign of guilt or nervousness.

>>69689039
>極めて軽微
>extremely insignificant
Lmao this is even worse

>>69687594
Good to see they eventually came around since they didn't seem to get it and sided against Seren at the start

>>69690990
There's that, but I really wonder if its also because nobody else there had any form of credibility. Elira's was shot the moment she announced that she not only volunteered to host the stream but also was implicated in the legal document as one of the three bullies, the other two being Enna and Millie. And there's not much to be said about Vox, dude is a dangerous mix of menhera and egotistical.
Ike was the only "safe" pick all around. And you can hear him fumble with some paper either out of nervousness or anger, making it clear the dude is just reading off a script under the promise of free clique blowjobs or some shit.

>>69691547
Before sperging out you should stop for a second and use your brain. We've been carefully tcking every single minor yab of Niji EN since it came into existence. JP never heard a single negative thing about the branch.

>>69691547
Sort by new, comments are more tolerable.

>>69691907
tracking*

>>69690704
Kind of, only because of cultural differences and how machine translation works.

>>69691547
When you have a mostly homogeneous culture you have higher confidence in your institutions, something mutts would know very little about

>>69691502
>Even Japs just want Gura
This makes me want to superchat in broken english and ask for the shark from random vtubers

>>69690990
Pomu was gone, so they needed to find someone that even plausibly had a relationship with Selen. Unfortunately Bonnivier is Niji ex-ID, a literal who, and only Doki possesses the incantations to bring him back from his grave.

>>69691907
that is fair. language barrier is nijijp's saving grace right now.
but surely they've heard some of the controversies within nijijp? how are they so blind to everything?

>>69692138
i was born and raised in a homogenous country. that statement is blatantly false.
only the retarded bugmen and japs blindly support their government, and look how that's turning out for them

>>69692286
I don't know Niji JP enough to answer this properly but they have a lot of successful talents and projects. Yes, they did fall below Hololive in recent years but they can still compete in many metrics. The thing with Niji JP is, talents aren't as close as they are in Hololive, many of them are individualists. Even if something happens to one of them, most of Niji watchers won't have a good idea about it. The cases weren't as clear cut as in EN too, I'd say. No smear campaigns like what happened to Zaion or Selen, no tax debt like with Mysta.

>>69690771
They're 5 years late to these kind of trends.
2019 is barely starting for them.

>>69692592
chipi chipi chapa chapa exploded there like a week ago
they're always late to this stuff

>>69687594
kek

>>69692352
Conversely this only happened because they dared to go into mutt territory full of cucks and professional victims. You're right, EN vtubers were a mistake.

>>69692668
Holo EN seems to be fine. Just don't pander to the twitter crowd like NijiEN did and if any of your talents are part of that scene make certain they know never to express those kinds of views.

>>69690074
kek

>>69692820
HoloEN is fine now because they let Kronii and Mori hang themselves with the Vesper and Magni debacle. If those two had stuck around HoloEN would be stepping in shit every other day.

>>69692668
no it's because dumbass companies like niji hired people that do political commentary with their vtuber avatars and tried to appeal to the twitter crowd.
just look at enna with her "down with capitalism, religion sucks" comments or uki hating on whites.
as the other anon said, just shut up about twitter politics and you're fine.
the bigger problem is the Chinese because almost all of them are cultish with their ships.

>>69693032
>blah blah blah
>muh politicals
>muh zhangs
But Selen amirite?

>>69693146
oh look it's the one nijisister
does it pay well to deflect and defend for niji
how much, a whole two cents?
vox isn't going to fuck you btw

>>69688552
>132k views

>>69693146
>sisters
>vox
>paid shill
Keep going, you've almost used all the buzz words. Hardmode: try to not immediately jump to dicks

>Ike

>>69693450
oh no please, keep defending them.
i want to see you flailing out more, since you've been here for days now.
get a job.

>Elira is treated like an evil villain
>Pomu is streated like a good gal
How? They are confirmed close friends. Either Pomu is guilty by association, or Elira cannot be as evil as people make her out to be. Either one or the other

>>69693796
Pomu was trying to remain on everyone's good side and stayed out of arguments, which reduced her influence.

>>69693796
The rules are arbitrary and there's nothing you can do about it.

>>69690074
>Ike
who?

>>69693796
You're a fucking American, aren't you
People can be friends with other people they disagree with

>>69692178
>Pomu was gone, so they needed to find someone that even plausibly had a relationship with Selen
I'm going to be honest with you, I tried to imagine for a second Pomu being in the black frame stream and I got fucking sad.

So true my JOP anon, one can only hope.

>>69694024
If I was a close friend with a cruel bully, then I can still be a good person? Despite being not bothered by the bullying, apparently? Do you draw the line anywhere? Like, it is still ok to be friends with somebody who occasionally beats his wife, but not a child rapist?

>>69694061
>(Laughs)
kino - that shit is so funny someone give him a monologue

Killing yourself is not that hard. I think most "survivors" planned to survive and it was just a stunt to gain sympathy and attention

apparently niji jp also problematic as much as nijien lol

>>69694161
There are friends, and there are "friends." It's a dumb and pointless thought experiment.

>>69694260
Go ahead, demonstrate for the class.

>>69690131
>extremely minor
Made me misread the steam emoji as the uoh face

>>69694310
Pomu and Elira are close friends and have been for a long time. Either that, or Pomu is a liar

>>69690197
Crumplestiltskin was there to perform a hydration check.

>>69694370
I do not wanna die though. Apparently, neither does DramaBird

>>69694395
Are you really going to try and psychoanalyze female relationships anon? Might as well go lick the wall.

>>69693796
>Elira cannot be as evil as people make her out to be
she's even worse

>>69694441
No one wants to die, shocking.

>>69694260
As someone who worked as a volunteer firefighter for 8 years: killing yourself can be surprisingly hard.
I've seen a lot of stuff.....

>>69688524
Good we are the master race after all

>>69694441
Sure sister

>>69694309
Recently it's mostly because even members of the jp 1st gen have started to graduate. Also in gundou's Collab with another ex-niji they called nijisanji "a prison" and said something like they successfully jailbreaked

>>69694688
Kurt Cobain did it on his first try

>>69694804
Yeah, and I've personally seen people that failed with a gun.
There are even videos of people failing with a shotgun.

>>69694778
I have worked for a Japanese company overseas and let me tell you these yellow niggas expect you to work in that office 14 hours a day and even take work home. That's not how it works in the west.

>>69694004
*crinkles water bottle*

>>69694309
>Aparently
Anon, you're on 4chan. NijiJP's horrendous mismanagement is sacred text around here.

>>69694260
lol go watch some rekt its crazy what people can survive you might not want to but the body sure fights for it lol

>>69689437
what the FUCK is that teeth

>>69694804
Probably not, he looked like someone who would try to OD first

>>69694441
>>69694630
“The so-called ‘psychotically depressed’ person who tries to kill herself doesn’t do so out of quote ‘hopelessness’ or any abstract conviction that life’s assets and debits do not square. And surely not because death seems suddenly appealing. The person in whom Its invisible agony reaches a certain unendurable level will kill herself the same way a trapped person will eventually jump from the window of a burning high-rise. Make no mistake about people who leap from burning windows. Their terror of falling from a great height is still just as great as it would be for you or me standing speculatively at the same window just checking out the view; i.e. the fear of falling remains a constant. The variable here is the other terror, the fire’s flames: when the flames get close enough, falling to death becomes the slightly less terrible of two terrors. It’s not desiring the fall; it’s terror of the flames. And yet nobody down on the sidewalk, looking up and yelling ‘Don’t!’ and ‘Hang on!’, can understand the jump. Not really. You’d have to have personally been trapped and felt flames to really understand a terror way beyond falling.”
― David Foster Wallace

>>69695076
Braces used to be pretty much nonexistant in japan until a few years ago.
Personally I would have gotten it pulled out, must be annoying as fuck.

>>69694441
Nobody wants to die, retard. They want to escape, but feel unable to.

>>69695076
Been like that for 1 decade now, he's not fixing it, it's the half-brit genes

>>69693796
>guilty by association
You should kill yourself.

>>69689437
is this because the normie dude has different audience and the translation is just deranged jp sisters like ours or they actually are getting the bigger picture?

Damn, even Nijijp is hurting

>>69690197
Elira: The only respectable one left in the first three gens.
Vox: British and the most popular talent
Ike: The next most senior respectable talent. Coulda swapped with Shu, but I bet Shu didn't want to participate.

Note: Rosemi is adorable, not respectable.

>>69691547
They truly deserved wayy more than 2 nukes

>>69695419
Nah, they just lacked context.
You can sort by new and check the comments on the first video.

>>69695419
The normie dude speaks english and can do research on his own, while 99% of nips have to rely on translation tools.

>>69695753
They're like that *because* of the nukes. Take responsibility.

>>69695793
Our... our radiation baby...

>>69695656
Imagine shu, luca and finana doing the black video! lol.

>>69689880
>extremely minor

>>69689437
>12:43
fucking kek. Pretty much naming the clique.

>>69695786
>JP can't get the full context of what's happening in EN because they don't understand English
wow just like the management

The Japs are starting to notice...

>>69694804
>im fucking plying

>>69696117
>>JP can't get the full context of what's happening in EN because they don't understand English
reminder that japan is the only country where knowledge of english has gone down in recent generations lmao
they will truly become completely cut off from the rest of the world by choice

>>69691890
>was implicated in the legal document as one of the three bullies
This part is the funniest to me because we didn't even really know who the fuck the bullies were or even that there was bullying going on until THEY MENTIONED IT THEMSELVES ON STREAM

>>69695419
It's a bit of both, of course the dude's video doesn't cover everything in just 20 minutes, and he agrees that Selen's termination makes sense, but he himself had worked in a horrible Japanese company before so he commented on how petty the angry 4-pages termination was, or how even though Doki had let go of Niji already, they still dropped the black screen video during her first gaming stream and how making the livers speak of legal issues on stream was unprofessional, that they were held at a gunpoint and more of the things that were said /here/. Rather than more people siding Doki, I think it's that more JP are aware NijiEN management is incompetent now

>>69689437
>my man literally begs niji not to sue him
lmfao

>>69693796
they are such close friends that pomu left the company after getting fucked over again and again while elira remains in the company

>>69689437
>2% meme in the fucking afterword sponsorship
great fucking video, laughed out loud like 5 times.

>>69689437
I have to say that PDR guy is kinda fun, in the way he presents it. A bit refreshing to have some sarcasm in Japanese content, but he makes it pretty easy to understand. His conclusion is also reasonable.

>>69694161
This kind of argument always confuses me. I guess the idea is that if you stop being friends with a bully, this is a "punishment" that may lead to them reflecting on their actions and changing. Maybe that works for some people. But for others, you've just filtered yourself from their friend group and made it so they will instead be surrounded by an echo chamber of like-minded assholes that egg them on. As long as you're not directly enabling them, doesn't it make more sense to continue being their friend so you can offer a contrary voice and perspective that might lead them away from their path?

>>69694037
Just be thankful Pomu got out in time. Imagine if she had stayed.

>>69696413

Also highly upvoted comments on the dude's stream point out that this is not the first time that these complaints come from Niji. Too many organs for too little management and non JP-branch in fire are not new if you have followed Niji, this is just even more petty, more digging the hole and more unprofessional.

Remember that this is the JP that had top talents like Chihiro leave already.

>>69696901
Finally someone with voice of reason in this wasteland. Thank you.

>>69696951
>Imagine if she had stayed.
very easy to imagine because pomu was always doing damage control for these retards.

>>69696873
Are they censoring Selen's face because of jp copyright?
If so, then content creators have tough out there.

>>69697083
Riku failed his talent. Most of all, he failed Pomu's dream.

>>69696230
AI will make language barriers a thing of the past within a decade.

Where are these comments from?

>>69697591
The japanese

>>69697623
kys holoniggers

>>69696055
Doppio, Luca, and Finana.

>>69698053
Luca & Finana I understand but why Doppio?

>>69691547
>Kore wa pen desu

>>69698009
woman moment

>>69697364
probably what they thought 14 years ago when they made the first LLMs that all generative AI is built on now

>>69698197
I'm just imagining him playing it up with the way he talks.

>>69698349
the D in graduation is for Doppio, I wish selen succeeded

>>69690131
No shit
It was originally a "triumph" emoji when it appeared in Japan
>>69698283
Oh god this fucking video

>>69687594
>T o T extremely minor
kek

>>69698349
It would be funny if it was doppio, luca, and like maririn and they all just lay into selen - bleak but funny. It is really nice though to see doppio only get skinwalked to retweet the black video and then say nothing more about it. I can understand people not outwardly supporting selen while working at least just don't shit talk or vague post about her those are the actual traitors. Unless something happens to change my opinion i hope people like doppio make it out ok.

>>69697364
> I say as I make my own model of Riku Tazumi voice and make it sing:
Pankoge
Slick-back Hair (or whatever it is called)
String Theocracy
Children of the City

>>69692286
>surely they've heard some of the controversies within nijijp
I have seen so many people here claim that JP is borderline without any controversy, they run a tight ship etc etc. Maybe someone will mention the Gundo firing, which is arguably one of the least retarded things.
Language barrier goes both ways basically.

>>69699368
I feel like the retweeting was probably peer pressure instead of skinwalking. The trio probably didn't fully explain what they were going to say to the rest of the class either.

>*sigh* I've seen the docs... and Selen's a whiny little bitch, hahah! We didn't BULLY her! Gosh, so dramatic! We were CONCERNED for her, especially after that little Twitter yab *giggle*. *sigh* I'd like to think that I was a GOOD friend to Selen.

>>69691618
Kek imagine being a billionaire and getting clowned on by some hikineets for your shit bowing etiquette

>>69695656
>Vox: British
just this is extremely disqualifying, even before the matter of him being a pedophile sex pest

>>69689437
>Several seconds of gibberish before and after
>"It's like they made them run into a burning house with a canister of gasoline"
Damn, alright auto-translate.

>>69701349
>British
>pedophile sexpest

we get it anon he's british, enough!

>>69694743
In being pieces of shit? Sure

>>69688051
I keep seing this term ""black company"" being thrown around by ignorant normalfaggots like Asmongold

What NijiEN needed was a black company's leash instead of allowing the clique of woke freaks rot the inside.
They prided themselves with talent freedom and coed collabs which only resulted in cringe sex talk, cucking their fans(in Kyo's words, not mine) and racism.

>>69688552
>"pls don't sue me
The poor guy literally has to do this due to how defamation law works in Japan

>>69687594
JP fanbase doesn't give a single fuck about RN. You trannyggers are trying so hard but on jp twitter nobody talks about the drama anymore. Search セレン EN andsuch. It totally ceases and you will just be btfo

>>69702310
This isn't even a matter of needing black company management. They just needed normal company management and we probably never would've had to watch this implosion. I mean jesus christ, if they had even a single person with a lick of common sense who all this stupid shit needed to be filtered through things wouldn't have gotten this bad.

>>69702760
hi sister

>>69690366

>>69702781
they hire high schoolers at part time and minimum wage who speak conversational english anon, those are the "managers" at the EN branch outside of Elira's more ad hoc system

>>69690366

>>69689437
>management releases docs saying that Selen was being bullied by other livers
>fans: who the heck is bullying selen???
good depiction

>>69687594
>The impact is extremely minor ToT

>>69695656
恥ずかしい

>>69692995
Don't try to change the subject.

>>69687907
jaysus

>>69694872
>There are even videos of people failing with a shotgun.
failure at living
failure at dying

>>69687594
That is just sad...

>>69687594
since niji is a billion dollar company and they have a VERY effective management/support team, im sure they will recover from the nijien implosion easily right?
the CEO even apologized too!
now let's see here...

oh.

that's not good. it dipped under 3100 now and it's flatlining.

>>69693962

Also notPomu managed to actually show some fucking guilt over the whole thing, since "maybe if I had decked Elira on the face this wouldn't had happened" was likely eating at her for a while.

>>69688552
"the one good thing that's come out of this is that nijisanji has successfully spread Japanese culture through the world by introducing the team black company to the west."
Lol
Lmao

>>69704024
Haha mein nigger

>>69696196
Yep, that was not a negligible impact.

>>69687594
The impact is extremely minor.

>>69688112
They don't beleb the livers can lie so some of them bought the narrative they were trying to push.
There were a bunch of casuals defending Elira and shitting on Selen for being a "troublemaker".
The "tried to graduate multiple times" bit also hit on their Meiro nerves, and that + the multiple suicide attempts is why a bunch of them called Selen a menhera.
Now there's some videos circulating around that are putting more pressure on the company side, but their opinion is that Selen still bears part of the blame for this whole issue.

>>69716009
>

>>69691547
Anon this is no different than westerners siding with Gundou after her (admittedly retarded) termination.
They have no context about the 4 years of her actions where she was a genuine pain in their company's ass, the italian truck lying thing, the blue whale mengen attempt, the fights with Roa and her fanbase, and how the stocks actually ROSE when she was finally catapulted out.

>>69688552
So finally JP has admitted that the issues the West were having about NijiEN were valid? Because I remember the JPs saying that it was just an overreaction by the audience.

>>69692286
> how are they so blind to everything
Anon why would they give a shit about the EN branch when they have like 100 talents speaking their own language?
Especially when the company culture is so insular.

>>69690426
It really boggles my mind how far apart in managerial skills Cover is compared to AnyKuro.

>>69706541
I was staying on topic though, i just disagree with your take on why HoloEN is fine now.sskt

>>69688552
This PDRsan is natively bilingual so he's able to read sources in English and explain everything in Japanese.

>>69689437
Interesting jp comments
>JP should have never invested hard in overseas market. They don't understand it well enough to success.
>"Is hololive EN and ID struggling from the same issues?"
>They have management who understands the overseas culture. They have been successful.
Niji lost when they hired high school chink interns to run the company.

>>69717967
This shitstorm has nothing to do with not understanding culture, and everything with niji self-reporting themselves in two big public announcements.

>>69718216
With shit that would pass in japan
This would have been a "oh well she couldn't handle it" to the Japs and it never would have gone anywhere

>>69718495
That's not how it's turning out according to the reactions to the proper take vid >>69689437

>>69687594
>(ToT) extremely minor
TuT

>>69718216
Public executions and using employees as puppets are accepted in Japan. The termination letter was written by a tone deaf Japanese dog.

>>69718687
There's a difference between
>this employee was fired for being a shitty rule breaker
and
>this employee was fired because she accused us of bullying her
>yes, you heard that right, they also specifically named x y z as the bullies, can you believe it!
I guarantee if they never mentioned this and just gave her a normal beatdown then she would've gone the way of Zaion.

>>69716930
Cover was founded by a man with years of actual work experience. Anycolor was founded by a trustfund dropout

>>69718865
Apparently the bullying part was lost in translation and instead was implied that selen was the one harassing management

>>69719272
You can't be serious. That'd be fucking hilarious if so.

>>69719272
What kind of shitpost is this? Vox flat out stated that they were the ones being accused of harassment.

>>69690426
It's probably easier to swallow a negligible income loss when it generates public goodwill instead of making the entire world that isn't Japan hate you

>>69692138
Having some healthy skepticism in your leaders is better than blind obedience no matter how dumb they are

>>69719079
>Anycolor was founded by a trustfund dropout
To be fair, so were some of the top global corporations.

>>69720319
The JP termination letter

>>69689437
Auto translate is a bit of a mess but it still gets most of the video's message across. Audibly kek'd at 12:43.

>>69693796
You know how Shinji was an absolute piece of shit but Shirou still considered him a friend because he's a goody-two shoes? It's like that.

>>69694804
>he still thinks Kurt killed himself
lol
lmao

>>69689437
Wow, he even conveyed the gurrat by saying it was very likely vox was acting as a "lawyer" for en

>>69720829
The jp termination letter said the same thing as the english one. This has been debunked multiple times
Some ndf fucker quoted the wrong paragraph

>>69695656
Shu just letting Elira throw herself in front of the truck is real out of character for him. Maybe he is beating the simp allegations after all.

>>69722466
Unless Elira had the braincell to realize that her most obvious eternal simp *also* showing up with her, the rumored ringleader, and Vox, the most-subbed EN liver, in an obvious slander piece would be kind of a Bad Look, actually, and she refused to bring him.

>>69721619
Fully intentionally no doubt. NDF just can't get any actual win so they just make shit up.

>>69690366

>>69690366
maybe when im up to it ill just make a 5ch post thread
I have so many of these things im sitting on but havent posted in literal years

>>69688552
man these mannerisms and video editing style feels so familiar, normalfags really are just the same breed everywhere.

>>69688552
I love how he pointed out that nijisanji's releases just ended up pouring more fuel onto the fire and you'd expect a multi billion dollar company to be better than that.

>>69687594
kek

>>69725514
>>384
Wdhmbt?
Did it translate the hera in menhera as spatula or something?

>>69725743
They do the same with us
It's the funniest way to do cultural exchange, never actually talk to each other and just look at what weird shit the other does and try to puzzle out what it means

>>69691547
I'm on Niji's side. Selen broke the rules multiple times. The final straw was her uploading the MV to her channel without letting her manager check it first. She knows the rules. And supposedly that upset her so much that she tried to kill herself? lol, how gullible are you people? You all definitely fell for the suicide sympathy tactic and corpo vs individual so corpo must be bad tactic And I'm still waiting for her bullying evidence. Was Niji supposed to stay quiet while this bitch was constantly lying about them? It's a shame how many people can't see through what she's doing.

>>69725743
I can't tell if it's a bad translation or not

>>69727211
enna did you find a retail job yet? i read your entire post in her voice and i want to say

shut the fuck up squidward

>>69727068
We've been doing it for north of 20,000 years, so why stop now?

>>69727211
Atleast the JOPs have better context

>>69694395
Now I feel dumb for not saving that "Nova you bitch, just wait until Mint finds out" quote. Would've worked great here.

>>69694395
I don't know what the point of this is. Everyone in Nijisanji are close friends. We're practically family, 'y'know.

>>69727211
and what proof do you have that nijisanji is telling the truth and selen is lying?

>>69694395
I don't know what the point of this is. Everyone in Nijisanji are close friends. We're practically family, y’know.

>>69728635
inb4 his answer
>Why would corpo lies?
They lie so they are not immediately legally liable
>Why none of the organs sided with Selen
Anycolor grab them by their balls. They have every reason not to fuck with Anycolor unless they want to become the next Selen

Wait...wtf is this about???

>>69727211
ok she broke the rules.
i think most people admit that. the MV was not approved to be uploaded.
it's the background and the way the termination was handled i think that has everyone up in arms.
and considering that's been the main issue/controversy, I don't need to explain just how bad everything looks on Niji's side, right?
imagine blindly supporting corps and thinking that they're always right lmao. niji has a history, which is why people are piling on. it's not an isolated issue, but a systematic one.
and it finally reared its ugly head to the general public.

>>69728985
>>Selen broke rules and got terminated
>"Well it's company rules and Niji sucks at least she is not with them anymore"
>>Anycolor proceed to fling shit
>"Wait, you're not supposed to do that as corpo"

>>69728924
It happened 2-3 weeks ago, but basically one of his ex-mods leaked a fair amount of conversations that she had with Luca. She also turned out to be responsible for a good amount of work he did on stream, like his many "projects" in Minecraft, and even was responsible for autograph signing. I think she even was responsible for writing one of his voice packs or some other project.
She also was the one that implicated Aster to be a harasser, and then an hour after she mentioned that, the infamous
>"*sigh*"
screencap was posted all over here. Its just that what Luca did was ultimately drowned out in the wake of Selen's termination and the ensuing drama that followed.

>>69695778
Doing that, it's still pretty bad. Only now a lot of the newer ones just hate her because she's Chinese.

>>69728924
Luca was alledged to be skinwalked by his assistant and she was the one signing merch and playing Minecraft on behalf of him, and she's revealing everything since the debacle happened.

>>69689146
i think this is referencing "the room" memes kek

>>69729203
Here I cherry picked one for you:

>18hr ago
>Look at the comments here
>The weakness of Japanese Nijisanji fans was clearly shown lol
>The only people defending Nijisanji En in this incident are Japanese Nijisanji fans and some Chinese fans.
>The Chinese, who have no concept of human rights, and the Japanese, who are used to a social culture, don't seem to understand it at all

But I guess you are right, PDR-san's video is more informative and the comment section is more knowledgeable.
His video was also mentioned in the 5ch thread.

>>69687594
Do better Khyo and falseyed your content kind of repetitive.

>>69729168
I guess stealing people's work and not giving them credit is NijiEn's mantra.
Wasn't there another liver who didn't give credit for someone's art?

>>69730817
You're thinking of some dude named Wilson. IIRC the drama was over the fact that he took a mascot to use as his own without permission.

>>69694061
Based Abe

>Also, the management will give out the money when the project is completed, so until then, the creators will work for free.

So if a project is canceled, then the liver is in red.
Was the mv the only one or were there other projects that were canceled at the last moment?

>>69731883

>>69731883
She's mentioned several for years. It's sadly really fucking common for Selen for her to just randomly mention how a project just got canned and apologize for it out of nowhere. I can't even imagine how much unreleased Selen footage, art, and materials she has on her hard drive.

>>69691002
Someone might set the office on fire if left unchecked.

>>69691452

>>69691547
Or... maybe you retards need to think for a second and realize that all those comments were written by Japanese NDF?

>>69695753
The other way around retard. They ended up like this because of the nukes and losing the war. Two nukes was too much.

>>69691890
>And you can hear him fumble with some paper either out of nervousness or anger, making it clear the dude is just reading off a script under the promise of free clique blowjobs or some shit
Sounded more like the threat of a stick than the promise of a carrot to me, i.e. if he doesn't do it he'll be Elira's personal onahole for the next month. The funny part to me is how literally everyone to comment on the situation invariably is just confused why he was even included.

>>69735364
>He was so forgettable that the lawyer that watched the black screen video multiple times could not remember his name to save his life.
WHY WAS IKE EVEN THERE

>>69702748
"Article 230(1)
A person who defames another by alleging facts in public shall, regardless of whether such facts are true or false, be punished by imprisonment with or without work for not more than 3 years or a fine of not more than 500,000 yen."
Take note of "regardless of whether such facts are TRUE or false"

>>69688214
Hololive is right wing
Nijisanji is left wing

>>69736072
Credibility because he was the closest to Selen they could find to coerce into the stream. I don't doubt the assertion that has been put out already that if Pomu was still inside NijiEN, she would've been forced to slander Selen live instead of Ike and that would've amplified how bad the black screen stream would've been, although there might have been enough wrangling in the background for Pomu with her OL experience to avoid doing that. I'm still so glad she made it out and can reach out to her fans even without streaming.

>>69698863
>The D in Doppio stands for Double the Attempt!

Although ig at this point, they wouldn't have known that yet.

>>69696535
blame Article 230 paragraph, where even telling the truth is considered slander/defamation >>69736633

>>69719272
that would be so fucking funny if true

>>69736633
>alleges facts

So does that mean if you allege something without proof, which later may be proved to true, then it's defamation.
But if you allege something and simultaneously provide hard proofs to back yourself up, then it's not defamation?

>>69736633
But facts can only be true, that's why they are "facts".

>>69692668
Niji panders to the Chinese. Japs are just retards and have been for many times in history. That's why they are the only country that have memorials for nuclear bomb victims and have an economy stagnant since the late 80s.

>>69737658
Apology for nanjing massacre wen

>>69737517
An allegation is a claim or assertion that something is true, not an opinion.
In Japan, it's defamation regardless of whether you can back it up. This is likely because they regard defamation as an undesirable act itself regardless of justification, the same way stabbing a proven rapist unprovoked would still be against the law. The only exception made is if it is in the 'public interest' - aka it involves a government official - in that case, you would be justified in saying they took bribes if they really did, for example, because that has ramifications outside private life.
That said, they do not award very high penalties for defamation. While in the US you can see six or seven figure sums, in Japan the main purpose is to secure a public apology, and you'll be lucky to see 20K out of it.

>>69725743
It seems that the jap will never feel the white man in China experience
>go to China for trip
>literally get swarmed by passerbys that take selfies with you and run off
>get pointed at in public
>if you speak their language, you literally are seen as a wild animal escaped from containment
>nevertheless they offer their daughters to marry you

>>69737849
So defaming a publicly trading company could be technically in public interest?

>>69691502
>guy posting as Shinzo Abe asking where Gura is in a Nijisanji discussion
You're alright, funny squinty-eyed man, you're alright.

>>69689981
Imagine the L is iron made. With the diameter of a monster can drink and a height of 90cm. Then imagine having to take the L, sitting on the top it, until bottoming out , in one go down your ass.

>>69738174
JPbros only learned about Abe memes late last year, so it wouldn't surprise me if that poster was a JSP trying to lend a hand.

>>69689039
This was also made fun of by the ojisans on Yahoo Finance kek
>「以 上」じゃねえんだよw

>>69695246
This is a good quote, I'm going to remember it.
The "this is fine" meme is like someone who can't even consider jumping out of the window and decides the burning building will just work out.

>>69728924
Agent LK...

>>69738771
The 'this is fine' people always seem like the people who want to be saved because they don't have the confidence to do something on their own.
I wonder if the NijisanjiEn livers belong to this group.

>>69687594
Is Aogiri like the Phase Connect of JP?

>>69695287
i'd go insane if that thing was in my mouth

>>69738174

>>69698283

>>69688051
>>69712351

They know about the low wages and the management employees are basically compared to McDonald burger flippers.
Nijien basically created the perception that these vtuber companies are essentially black companies.
That would not have been a problem if it stayed
within the country but revealing that to the entire world has what made the investors a bit worried. They fear the negative perception might be difficult for overseas growth.
That's why Cover's stocks are also in a bit of decline.

>>69725514
Can you post nips reaction when KR and ID was merged to JP?

>>69741398
>Even employees seem to have the same wages and working hours as restaurant
employees

But sisters told me that the nips were on Anycolor's side...

>>69716930
Because Cover actually pays their staff.
Those comparisions between recruitment notices for backend staff between Cover and AnyColor are fucking hilarious.

>>69716930
it's all rooted back to passion-SOVL vs Making the most profits on trend

>>69687594
damn shizo abe came back form the dead just to shitpost about niji...

>>69717967
Most of Nijisanji's incompetence is literally self-reporting.

>>69742903
Why does YAGOO have a cumjar on his desk

>>69719272
That's just misinformation from early days of termination letter being spread around. The guy zoomed-in on the wrong paragraph, and he got community-noted.

Both English and Japanese conveys that Selen is very litigious and wants to get the word out so they acted pre-emptively though, because she endangered the company. (fucking stupid-ass reason to put in termination letter)

I've been wondering if Elira allowed the entire Luxiem wave into her clique after the fuck up with the concert, as a compensation.

>>69725619
>>69690771
>>69692592
he's a brit, he doesn't represent actual japanese people

>>69729131
Yes, corpo is not supposed to fling shit. Corpo is the bigger guy and most people want to side with their oshi compared to the nebolous corpo. That's the entire point and reason why Selen's termination is so goddamn stupid because they can just stop at "she infringed on third-party copyright rules" and all we can do is probably just grudgeposting because Selen DID broke the rule.

Instead, the entire thing devolves into a huge shitstorm because Nijisanji stumbles not once, not twice, but three times handling this situation. Even the CEO's apology video is only passable because how shitty is their other attempt.

>>69743116
ok takeshi

Japs dont care about a company abusing employees or someone being driven to suicide attempts, they're only mad about trilingual staff being paid less than conbini staff

>>69743884
What do you mean? Suiciding once you realise you have messed up is the most honourable thing. The fact she couldn't even do it properly is probably even worse for them

>>69743884
Yeah, wasn't suicides really common among Jap corporate employees.

>>69743884
People get cancelled all the time over bullying allegations retard. So many twitter tourists.

I didn't even know this leak existed

>>69687594
I don't follow Niji, they don't allowed their talent to stream palworld?

>>69725619
Yeah. A cut on average every 3 seconds, lots of movement and emotes, some kind of visual change on every third cut. Gotta keep the dimwit audience's attention occupied.

>>69688909
Jarman channel in youtube does a fine job explaining board slang to jap netizens.

>>69744184
fuck, they should all go and burn in hell
they are even worse than the average 4chan user

>>69696413
>making the livers speak of legal issues on stream was unprofessional
That puts it really mildly. They weaponized Selen's medical record to paint her as an insane schizophrenic that can't be dealth with or something. As if we couldn't just tune into her stream at any point to find out she got it together despite difficulties. And I know first hand that lawyers and manipulative psychopaths in general love pulling this shit. It's a really vile way of defamation, especially since they themselves inflicted mental damage on her in the first place.

>>69744184
Is this from the dox site?

>>69744184
>Stinky Bitch

>>69696873
PDR is like the only good Japanese YouTuber bc he loathes agencies and MCNs after being in a black one previously. He's well respected, but because he is very openly critical of the corporate nature of being a Japanese YouTuber, he's pretty isolated. His earlier videos have subs done by himself as well.

>>69744543
Yeah on Nina's page, apparently it was posted 19>>69744585
minutes before the announcement of Zaion's termination

>>69743030
Missing the gura nendo

>>69744184
Karma is a bitch. Burn in hell, sisters.

>>69744184
Fuck, I checked, its on page 2425.
tf does this mean, was it a coincidence or are they part of the management?

>>69745549
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it's a member/manager, not like it's the first time they leak things for no apparent reasons

>>69745549
>all the evidence you guys collected about the things she's done
They had at least someone inside. They are the ones responsible for the bullet points.

>>69745814
Holy fuck the toxicity, she sounds like a manager desu.
I can't, in good faith, believe a liver wrote that.

>>69744184
Wait a fucking minute. Why no one has talked about this before?

Wow

>>69719272
I don't think anything was lost in translation. There is literally a clip where Selen admits to verbally harassing her manager

>>69688112
Well, after that, the Japanese started to call Selen "Selen Usotsuki" so