/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>69700255
Not since her PR stunt

>>69700255
What's wrong with her other than niji, being an fgc orbiter, and kind of boring?

>>69700255
Not anymore, not since Baron exposed her.

>>69700255
chink

>>69700508
IDK, hers wasn't bad, and on top of that it baitted the two other faggot in doing their own but they burned themselves hard. So in a way it was so fucking based of her since she ended up exposing how shitty her coworkers are, and i hope get fired for that soon. Honnestly i've yet to fully hate her like the rest of the irrecuperable bunch like elira, enna, vox, uki, Ike, yu, etc.
She may be one of the few i would keep if i were to restructure niji EN.

>>69700255
I never was. It's been clear for a long time what the state of NijiEN is. Pomu and Selen departing sooner rather than later was pretty well signal before she joined. And yet she jumped right on the burning yacht anyway.

>>69700255
Her tits are awesome

Some people convinced themselves that she was one of the "good ones" despite her joining after the Zaion drama and several of Selen's run-ins with management had happened

>>69700255
Less so today than a week ago. Probably less next week than today if she keeps opening her mouth. Then again she seems the type to be terminally /here/ so maybe she’ll have learned something from this.

She declined one collab with Luca and anons here concocted an elaborate schizo narrative that she was a rogue cgdct agent aiming to subvert Niji into a pure virgin idols who are all (You)r wife company from within

>>69700255
Who? Even with all this drama going on, I still can't name more than 4 nijis debuted post luxiem

>>69700255
I'm indifferent as she is a nobody from a poorly promoted wave. A shame her Saber Alter-ish design is being wasted on a Niji organ since she'll eventually graduate.

What did she do? QRD?

>>69700255
her design is sex

>>69702696
If the past two weeks convinced her to tie herself to the sinking yacht instead of doing everything she can to escape she's beyond saving. I'm not going to waste my time on someone who willingly stays in Nijisanji even if she tries to pander to the CGDCT audience. If you really care, follow your oshis and leave, it's not like this company is giving you anything like decent income anyway

>>69700255
Absolutely

>Be one of only three talents that chronologically COULDN'T have been the ones cornering Doki
>Somehow barely skirt past the drama with your life despite your small numbers
>Tiny chats grow even tinier
>NijiEN life support puts 500+ ghost ccv on every stream, but actual supa amounts match high 2views
>Drama starts to blow over
>A tiny handful of rrat-ranchers on /vt/ make a general to support you and your gen mates
>Things still suck, but at least it looks like the sucking is about to end

>>>>>>Management notices the goodwill you're receiving

>Decide to turn you into their vanguard for their PR counter-measure
>You're heartbroken, but decide to try and make a genuine sounding tweet, even include a cute little drawing
>Someone tries to bait you, but you actually manage to shut them down (Possibly just the PR team pulling off their stunt exactly as planned)
>Maybe things aren't so bad? Maybe this will really be a turning point?

>>>>>>>>>A FUKA U WYPIPO
>>>>>>>>>IT'S JUST DRAMA, DON'T FUCKING HARRASS ME

>Doomscroll twitter
>All previous positive sentiment is now just 'SLAAAY QUEEN, OMFG YOU AAAATTTTEEEEE'
>All coherent comments are now about how Niji is, in fact, the shittiest corp with the shittiest talents
>Your name is now included in the list
>Give up on public opinion
>Go to 4chan
'Are people actually sympathetic to her?'

I'm worried she'll be the next to attempt Selenicide
I really do like her, she just seems to have been fucked over by lady luck

The Vivi situation is very cringe. Okay, sure, she's sweet. But it's clear that she's become some symbol for pretending to be objective about shitting on Nijisanji. You can say whatever you want about Nijisanji as long as you put "But Vivi nice tho"

And I'm sure she's nice but I've never actually watched or encountered her content (its cool she played bloodborne), and likely, you haven't either

Who?

>>69703495
shes a niji
her oshis were pomu and selen
shes pratically the next target of the clique at this point

>>69700255
The fake Tweets made it seem like she sold her soul to be in the clique. I thought she was cool before that tho.

>>69704592
it really do feel like she would be doomed either way
obscurity is an awful thing, and this negative fame only puts a distorting lens on her
what happens if nijiEN just disbands?

>>69704009
Qrd on Niji botting their streams? You seem like a knower

>>69702696
She's NijiEN
Learning their lesson seems to be something they're allergic too

>>69700255
She should have learnt from her supposed 'oshi' pomu, but unfortunately she chose to suck on Rikus cock instead.

>>69700255
who?

>>69705227
It's pretty straightforward
>20 chat participants
>600 viewers
Then you go and look at ordinary high 2views or low 3views
>20 chat participants
>100 ccv
Same for the supa amounts
A monetized 2view will usually pull the same amounts

It isn't exclusive to Vivi, Kunai has them too. I'm not familiar with other Nijis but I'd assume it's probably similar for some other members.

Check supas and chat participants for real numbers, not the CCV

>>69705449
ive come to the conclusion that a large portion of the vtuber world uses bots, not just niji. see it in a bunch of small corps and indies too.

>>69700255
I feel like she's gonna start losing the good will she has the longer she stays with niji. Maybe the twitter thing was a one-off but niji doesn't have a track record of learning from their mistakes.

>>69705449
Interesting, thanks for the run down. If numbers are that low I wonder if we’ll see a noticeable drop in engagement from opinion /here/ shifting against her. It wouldn’t surprise me if the recent shill campaign for her put a lot of lurkers’ eyes on her that wouldn’t have otherwise been there, and that very possibly may be over after yesterday’s pr disaster.

>>69705227
Here is just one of countless cases

>>69705854
/here/ numbers aren't significant
I think the /ttt/ 'buff' amounted to 5-ish people

The problem is a lot of clippers and the like lurk /here/
Losing the /here/ audience is a more significant debuff to stuff like that than it is to pure #'s

Source: Literally making a clip video for some random 1 view I have a parasocial boner for as we speak

>>69700255
Yes because she is a FromSoft enjoyer and not a tendie / snoyboy

>>69700255
I had been. She joined at the worst possible time, when the branch was starting to visibly rot, and was clearly not involved in driving Selen to her attempt. She also seemed to be targeting viewers other than Nijisanji's current viewer base which earned her some goodwill as well.

The problem was she got involved with Niji's "WE WUV OUR ARTIST FAMILY" PR stunt, likely because Niji is aware she has a small reservoir of goodwill and asked her to front it, and the stunt basically destroyed that little reservoir of goodwill that she had.

Ultimately she made a stupid mistake tying herself to Nijisanji this way. The clique won't and probably can't do anything to protect her. They can't help her increase her views and they certainly can't do anything for her if the branch is restructured or folded. She gained nothing, not even short term job security, from this.

>>69705930
You could say I’m a bit of a retard and I wouldn’t disagree, so can you spell this out a bit more? Would I be correct in thinking that more or less steady ~2k baseline is made up of bots, while that peak is people tuning in and saying fuck this? Meaning he was effectively yelling into the void?
>>69706047
That seems like it would hurt long term growth a lot. Checking the clip channel views linked on her channel none of them even approach 1k, and her own shorts don’t look like they all that well compared to her vod views either. Really nothing outside the valentines stream seems to have done all that well since the drama started, and even that might’ve had a lot to do with less competition from inside her own company. Wouldn’t surprise me if views dip further once the bigger more controversial names start streaming more again.

>>69701084
That’s cope

>>69706548
In regards to the botting

Yes/no
First things first let's cover the way these bot farms work.
Usually, a server will be loaded up with various 'instances' of youtube user logins through their preferred program.
A program will then run to automatically assign a number of these instances to the task of watching a stream, i.e. navigating to the url they are assigned.

YouTube does actually make a cursory attempt of filtering bots, so these ghost viewers will show up after a randomly designated amount of time (The reason why the viewership rise isn't just a flat cliff). The bots will also randomly 'drop out' of the stream and are replaced by another bot that arrives at some other time. The total number of bots ticks up and down randomly, creating artificial dips and peaks; but generally will hang around the target amount (this instance being 2k).

The reason why the bots don't talk in chat is because it would be too easy for youtube to detect them and filter them. So it's better to have these ghost viewers behave like silent watchers, as youtube can't explicitly identify them as bots.

Now, something to note, is that the most popular form of botting, as well the one least likely to get you caught, is 'match-botting'. Essentially the botting program will take into consideration your natural ccv. So if you have 1000 natural ccv, but want 2000 ccv; the program will incorporate the number of real viewers into it's own total. Matching leaving real-viewers, and leaving when real-viewers arrive, with a delay of course.

Essentially, if you see a 'flat part' of any ccv chart for any chuuba, it's botting

>>69700255
I don't watch Phase

>>69707772
Shit, that makes a lot of sense. I knew this kinda stuff was possible but I hadn’t realized how sophisticated it had gotten. Thanks for the rundown anon

>>69704009
kino - she was also in the last collab between pomu and selen which probably got her a lot of good will since all millie did was afk and die

>>69707772
so its fake if they're flat as a board. Noted.

>>69700255
This more nijishit?

Anyone that watched Selen for at least a year knows all the shit management did to her.
I dont believe she is a dragoon at all, she just named the biggest female talents of the company and thats it.

>>69700255
Not everyone is dumb enough to buy into bpdbird's bullshit

people always say that vivi's oshis were pomu and selen but did vivi say this or where did it come from

>>69708704
her PL

>>69708785
Apparently she unfollowed dokibird there, she's ride or die

>>69704009
>tfw Vivi

>>69700255
I pity her, we don't know what kind of pressure NijiEN management is putting her under. She may be a loyal bootlicker, she may just be trying to keep her head down until she can escape, she's been dealt a shit hand so things are going to suck for her no matter what she does
>>69708897
We know NijiEN management monitors that shit because it was one of the reasons Zaion got fired. We also know that Niji instils a feeling of helplessness in it's livers and makes them think they can't survive on their own as per the testimony of everyone whose left

>>69709953
Can she survive *in* Nijisanji? I would think that threat loses a lot of weight when you're a 3 view bringing in minimum wage tier donos *with* the company's help (and them taking their cut)

She know she's failed as a vtuber already and is using the doki drama to try and gain some relevance. Look at me I'm not a niji bootlicker you can watch me!!! Yeah no. You're shit.

Never saw anything posted other than her face, her boobs look nice

>>69711703
You vagina reeks, chink

>>69705449
>>69705579
>>69705854
>ive come to the conclusion that a large portion of the vtuber world uses bots, not just niji
This applies to the STREAMING world. I know only one of you Anons said this but you're all discussing it like it's some revelation that needs to be known (well, I guess it is...)

ALL, OR THE VAST MAJORITY OF STREAMERS WHO ARE CAPABLE ENOUGH OR CAN AFFORD TO, BOT. IF YOU REACH THE 15 CHATTER MARK IT'S TIME TO PAY FOR VIEWBOTS TO FAKE IT TILL YOU MAKE IT. UNLESS YOU JUST LIKE FLOUNDERING AND STRUGGLING FOREVER.

Fake it till you make it.

I don't know much about Vivi and don't know what she recently did to earn ire but I know she plays good games and even is a fan of Suda51, and is playing Killer7 presently. That is very based. It's one thing to be a zoomer Soulsfag like Biboo, it's nice but hardly impressive. But it's another to be into those games and also be into shit like Killer7. If she's a "pick-me" (a term only holes use, but I'll use now as it suffices for my point) for her game choices, it's kind of like the difference between being a pick-me who quotes Breaking Bad memes, and a pick me who quotes Julius Evola memes. Esoteric pick-me.

>>69700255
This would be a better design if it was made by Hololive or Neo-Porte.

>>69704009
I really do like her, and I'm just coping that she really is undergoing a back-to-back run of bad luck.

>>69704009
>>>>>>>>>>A FUKA U WYPIPO
qrd? She said anti-white shit?

>>69700255
everyone outside of this shit hole loves her. she had so much membership spam last night she could barely play the game, thanking people for joining every 30 seconds

>>69713123
Hard to call. On the one hand if she was that good at being a “pick me” she’d probably have viewers and not be in this bad pr situation. On the other she was one of the only nijis riding through the situation well, and even looked like she could come out of that twitter thing looking alright until her wider organization put their feet in their mouths seemingly because of her perceived win. Now though she’s probably in the worst spot she’s been in this whole situation.
>>69713703
Nah that was Uki(?), one of the homos

>>69700255
She's the only active NijiEN I'm still subscribed to, but supporting Elira's vid, and joining the artist pr stunt has left a bad taste in my mouth. Not sure where I stand yet.

>>69714686
Oh, I already knew Uki was an anti-white racist hypocritical hyperfaggot yeah. It's old news and I've hated him for ages and it seems it only really came to light with normalfags because of other Niji drama. Still I see dramatubers brushing it off and saying not to harass anyone. I hate to be the "IMAGINE IF THE RACES WERE REVERSED" as if that wasn't obvious but every dramatuber on the planet would be calling for people to find his house in real life and murder him if he had said even 1/5th of the shit he said about whites but about blacks. I mean look at how people reacted to Enna's comments to Kyo. I fucking hate these cunts.

>>69705930
Christ

>>69709953
Zaion got fired because she was a retard with no self control, same as Selen. And the the idea from some in this thread that Vivi owes Selen undying loyalty because she said she was her oshi is ridiculous. The warning to never meet your heroes exists for a reason. Selen is a nutjob who sent a rabid mob after Vivi and everyone else at Nijisanji, she has every reason to drop her. Stop believing everything that drama parasite False Eye shits out.

>>69700255
Not anymore. I even made threads about her recently (she was playing Killer7), trying to defend her and calling her cute.
Not again. Any drama chasing clout whores immediately lose my respect

>>69720495
>Stop believing everything that drama parasite False Eye shits out.
You couldn't help yourself, huh Elira?

>>69715055
>Uki was an anti-white racist hypocritical hyperfaggot yeah
wait, so hates vox, ike, fulgur, alban, ren, kyo, bandage, and wilson?

>>69720495
>drama parasite False Eye
you already got owned on twatter, wilson

>>69700255
I am

I watched her once and she seemed like a boring but sweet regular girl. It sucks that it has to be this way but it is what it is.
Like her senpais said, everyone is always free to leave Nijisanji whenever they want

Vivi is based as fuck if she makes /vt/ seethe the way she does
Inb4
>i didn't get BTFO it was all a psyop!

>>69700255
Not sympathetic, but I have a soft spot for backhanding faggots on twitter

>>69700255
She seems cute. The coordinated artist tweets were cringe but I feel like the urge to argue on twitter can be a strong force sometimes. At the very least, her stance was defending the tweet and not the company.

>>69720495
This sounds personal; you ok buddy? Having trouble at work lately?

>>69709953
how was she dealt a shithand? elaborate

>>69720495
a niji vtuber would fall for this and give way to rage just to get blown out, many such cases

>>69725887
Very little promotion followed by the corp imploding shortly after joining. Assuming a 1 year minimum contract she’s locked in for 8 more months and change. Now has to eat a ton of shit and deal with corpo split while mostly staying a 3view recently. This being niji things are only likely to get worse from here and if she comments again probably more people turn on her. Not saying I’m big on her currently but I’d probably rather cut off my feet than be in her shoes right now.

>>69702536
Even if she debuted october she probably applied a year ago and was signed in spring or summer, so its hard to tell anything beyond the zaion drama.

>>69725887
Most people didn't even know their wave happened. I only found out there was another wave like half a year later from a random ass clip about her removing her toenail or something.

>>69708132
The three signs for fakeness are the '3 thousand people join at the same time' cliffs, perflat, and sinewave.