/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>69668117
>Selena drama may be over
It's just starting

Nijisanji has showed that they will not leave it alone, and started astroturfing campaigns against Doki and her fans. They're so fucking scummy. Talents have no choice but to participate in them, some more willingly than others, but none of them can really say no.

Reminder that every month brings a new graduation / termination. Elira & Vox are shadow suspended, will JP sacrifice them to set the tone of their Black company that all must obey?
Who is going to escape? Rosemi is making a return, but how will her mood be now? Will Vivi become the new Elira? Stay tuned

it is a case of lunatics running the asylum, if there's no real punishment for severe bullying almost resulting in death, there's no punishment for anything so they can do whatever the fuck they want as long as they're in the clique

Want to create a song, collab with a major IP or a content creator you like, or host a tournament or competition? Um no you cant have permissions for that.

Want to be a bully, a racist, a pedo creep who tries to fuck 12 year olds or just a general twitter retard? Go off, no problems there.

Also we shouldn't forget the rrats who are continuously digging away at them every minute of every day.
Take this for example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cjqd1GZIhjU at 1:25.
Did Elira really fuck a Japanese manager a year ago? Who really knows?

>>69668647
I think the most common problem right now is that they always got away with stealing art / blatantly ripping people off.

The organs are starting to crumble down.

>>69668745
Disgusting

>>69668117
>they thought a certain someone would go scorched earth on Niji
>I would, but the reason I didn’t was because I knew they would self-destruct anyways
>I knew that...all I had to do was light the flame and they would just blow up
>that's why I didn't do anything, cuz I didn't need to

They lost their minds a long time ago, that was already obvious when they uploaded that...thing to Elira's channel a week ago.

>>69668117
This all occurred, by the way, after doki said she would refrain from talking about the matter. This entire thing is nijien trying to walk straight and stumbling all on their own.

>>69668976
Listening to sayu cry about kotoka and the others backstabbing her made me cry, and I thought I'd frozen my heart a long time ago

It's just same old same old /vt/ doomposting about nijisanji, you guys been doing this shit for years. You just got a taste of having the mob on your side instead of against you (zaion) So you faggots really think you're going to bring down the evil empire. I myself prefer to even fights in the spirit of true chaos I'll be taking my talents to the other side to even the odds.

>>69669070
Weird take considering that all of Niji shunned Selen after hospitalizing her, way too busy partying with JP & management in Japan.

>>69668574
Only one option to regain at least some of reputation - make public statement about conducted internal investigation resulted in graduation/termination of all involved livers.

>>69668858
I'm guessing he never responded to this?

>>69669070
Zaion is no Selen, her unanimous support from even normie dramatubers reflects that. This time the genie is out of the bottle. We are watching NijiEN crumble in real time.

>>69669129
You ever consider that people on your side and the other don't really care about selen, it's merely a casus belli to get away with grievances or attacks on the side you don't like. Selen ended all of this last week yet drama trannies keep milking this for views and cash while retards here milk it for attention.

>>69668858
Actually pretty logical (and cynical). Let livers defend shitcompany by openly harrass nonames, pulling racist bs to nonames - then just call it "personal activity wo uproval or awareness of company"

>>69669152
You forgot naked dogeza and public gangbang

>>69669152
Luca needs to go as a show they are turning a new leaf. Honestly one of the boys has to be kicked since they are the epitome of favoritism in NijiEN. The rrats were digging that particular approach in the past but regarding Vox, somehow Luca hitting the spotlight the next day. Craziest of NDA breaches.

>>69669152
Maybe even sooner than we could have hoped
>>69663054

>>69668117
the purple fag tricked us with literal gay bait.
>"LGBTQ Vtuber Harassed and Targeted by White Supremacists"
We had a good thing going, but you niggers sent it to Reddit. Now the drama feast is gonna be over, poisoned by politics

>>69669217
>normie dramatubers
you mean the two cowardly faggots who only cover the safest of topics to get money from advertisers and completely have that topic fall from the face of the earth? Pajeethar and monotone faggot wanted to cover keffals but objected because it would be bad optics to make fun of a tranny but when evil japanese idol vtuber company as they referred to nijisanji tries to kill piglet that's a marketable and successful topic to monetize. You're a number in a bank account you're not a rebel.

>>69668858
Why did he have to respond…

>>69669226
Yes, it's no longer about defending selen, it's over, we won.

It's about the complete and total destruction of Nijisanji

>>69669470
write up another schizophrenic wikipedia article about PATTERNS in merch cycles to make more money to retards using you. the only thing you're destroying is your self respect redditor.

>>69669226
I'm sorry but I'm not actually a dragoon or a drama tube feeder. When bad shit happens and people justify hiding it I do a bit of investigating, just a personality trait and creation of circumstances.
>>/vt/thread/S65445529#p65461430

>>69669396
>two cowardly faggots
It wasn't just two, sister. And your impotent smear tactics won't stem the tide they turned against your precious cult.

>>69669396
39iq log in

Good day drama birds. Please enjoy your time sperging out over the same thing over and over again.

>>69669211
He hid the tweet to artificially have the final word.

>>69669550
I also enjoy indulging in drama of 20 year old women playing anime characters and pretending i'm bringing justice into the world
>I'm not actually a dragoon
so is 80% of this board.
>>69669559
>>69669609
>NDF
>SISTER
All they can do is label like whiny little faggots, when exposed to the truth.

>>69669644
It's that time of the day when Nijiniggers shit up the entire board and the anti's they created snoop. A week from now Niji will deliver on time like clock work. Until then Yuki Chihiro reps should reveal the workings of Niji management and the Japanese rep for EN.

>>69669679
lol fat retard

>>69669644
We'll keep reminding you you were wrong until you admit you are wrong. From the Hills of Riku to the bottom-feeding abyss of the NDF, peace of mind and of wallet shan't be known till ye confess your sins.

>>69669679
We've heard the same things for the last 3 months now. Not our fault you guys endorse a Black company that just needs a little push.

>>69669915
doki needed that last push as well, she's just such a fuck up not only did she fuck it up once but twice.

>>69669679
you spent a whole year screaming Zaion bad and you still lost and she won in the end, you're absolutely fucking useless

>>69669679
>Workplace Safety doesn't matter when anime women aren't involved
Confirmed doxxsister tourist, you don't even like Vtubers, do you? You just get an extra thrill out of harassing people when they hide their identity behind a mocap avatar.

>>69669679
Now catch your breath, you are hyperventilating and repeat.

>>69670010
The only thing Zaion has won is rope to hang herself, she could have been given the limelight and she fucked it all up for 5 seconds of fame in falseyes shitty stream. If she respected Nina's privacy she would be running circles being vindicated but instead she chose attention from a grifter, from her lord and master false who threw her ass away like a used napkin.
>>69670084
>Workplace Safety doesn't matter when anime women aren't involved
They're streamers you larping faggot.

>>69669993
Wasn't her rise to freedom entertaining? Kind of resonated with everyone's opinion. I remember how Niji-sisters would defend that they don't fit the classification for a Black company a short while ago. Many things will be changing soon.

>>69668858
Incredibly based. Nijifaggot btfo.

>>69670129
Did you really watch a drama tuber to be informed instead of being /here/? O nonono lol

>>69670129
>Sayu has massive increase in subscribers while niji loses hundreds of thousands they'll never recover
>"n-no she lost because uhhhh I hate people who speak badly about niji cult"
very convincing

>>69670129
>They're streamers you larping faggot.
That won't fly in court, sister.

>>69668745
KUROSANJI

>>69668117
it's only drama because faggots like you are so desperate to turn anything anyone says into drama. You aren't satisfied that they still dare to speak at all, why aren't they still ashamed and grieving for grifterbird?! How dare they move on!

Mass Graduations / Terminations
As mentioned by a Niji staffer who got caught out
1. Exodus has to occur within the same year, can't be 6 in December, 6 in January.
2. Minimum of 10
The list
1. Pomu
2. Selen
3. Kyo
(Situation has been revised to cater previous company behaviors + current stealth suspensions)
4. Elira
5. Vox
(period of time taken for negotiations)
6. Rosemi
[7-10 may include further termination of bad actors such as Uki, Luca, Enna & Millie. Good characters such as Scarle.] More information will appear in the near future.

>>69670628
Hello sister; welcome back.

>>69669070
I'm a a bunch of larger art communities, mostly because I'm friends with some bigger professional artists who a lot of them work with larger companies doing art for them. Let me tell you before the stuff about the artists coming out not getting paid and contracts mess up by Niji were posted here, I seen it posted in those discords, by professional artists. Straight up just collective deciding to ghost them are they are now shadow banned from being worked with. This is not a /vt/ thing.

>>69670759
PS Uki avert you eyes you shouldn't be here in the first place

>>69670759
>As mentioned by a Niji staffer who got caught out

if LK, who was right multiple times on leaks this year, is to be believed, it cant be elira and vox before rosemi, because one of those slots is for Luca and the other is supposedly a girl. I doubt its Elira though, throwing just her out, while keeping enna and millie would be relatively crazy.

>>69670129
This is why bully rrats is believable Roasties

>>69671108
Nahh not LK, this was around the start of the year, and the staffer decided to shit post during a thread deliberating the apostrophes of all fucking things. The guy had corpo speech and was knowledgeable about other VT companies. He set some ground rules on what a mass exodus is and that Niji was not heading in that direction. Thus Sayu shouldn't count and Mika being JP.

>>69670808
This was definitely a bigger hit to Niji than they make it out to be. I'm assuming that included a lot of JP artists as well.

>>69670759
>Get's outed for something that would be career ending for 99% of people
>Breaks multiple NDA's in the worst way possible by giving company accounts to a random person
>Selling stuff that might be close enough to open up being fraud
>Comes out scot free
How does he do it?

>>69671500
Management unironically has favoritism for the guys because they're fujos

>>69671500
>Manjisanji
>Luxiem member
>Bootlicker
He's untouchable

>>69671428
Like normally artists won't come out and say they do they aren't working with you anymore cause they don't want to shit up the account they use for their professional business being their twitter They just ghost you and I think people don't know that artists stick together in in very very large scale communities and they talk to each other.
Like the Selen stuff doesn't even matter here at all, the fact multiple artist came out complaining they never got paid and or had their contracts fucked with probably just got them shadow banned in a lot of larger circles. I believe one artist coming out was Japanese, so could have even hurt they Jp side of things some. No artists will come out and say anything though since they just do these silently normally.

>>69671309
Lk said that just days ago tho, so that seems to be newer info. but I appreciate, I didnt see this back then. thanks!

>>69669671
Ah, time to link the reply to the main niji twitter page then

>>69669522
How much discord nitro are they paying you, sis?

I think the discord for these livers must be as toxic as /vt/. Maybe more

>>69669679
Uh, sis...when you mention the words that people are calling you and try to pretend that you arnt at all bothered by them it makes you look extremely bothered by them
Just saying

>>69669334
I recall a mention that Yugo was put under the management for females.
Originally this was a complaint about Niji management hating trannies.
But there's something interesting about that: If male and female organs have different management, is it possible the clique only affects women, and the men have halfway competent managers?
This would explain the favouritism; they're just outside the power of the managers for women that are fucking everyone over.

>>69669679
woh there , ez honey. Calm down , drink some water , suck some dicks and maybe schlick your coochie . Let it all out and by then we can properly have some logical convo.

>>69671742
Good read. The power is always with the customer but if too many multiple instances occur of no payment the highlight of the most current yab is that they will be prompt. The problem is they should also be generous with their payment as a show of forgiveness to gain back community favor, but Niji is not run that way.

>>69671884
We know that from the leaks.

>>69671884
A fair number of the organs are /vt/ or general 4chan posters or lurkers. Of course a pile of them getting hired by a brand, forming into a tight-knit pseudo-celebrity cult with a misplaced sense of superiority would make the entire operation a complete shitshow, filthier than this place.

>I was feeling so sad and hopeless and depressed and angry and frustrated and upset and screaming and crying about some news I learned today
Pomu yesterday

>>69672161
The problem also besides payment is contracts. For big professional artists they're use to signing contracts and NDA's for these larger companies. It coming out they can't even write these contracts correctly and it looks like they might be miss using them as well is a pretty big turn off as well since it just make more work and stress on your part for something that shouldn't be your problem.
I'm just giving people the large pro artists side of things and how they see this. Selen is bad or whatever, but all of this stuff coming out just makes artists ghost you.

>>69672342
>Sometimes I make tweets of my thoughts, but super exaggerated or overly goofy
>Please don't take me seriously 90% of the time I'm just being dramatic for no reason
Pomu yesterday as well

>>69668117
They all showed their true colors during the Zaion affair - you just didn't notice, or chose to turn a blind eye to it. Anyone chosing to join or remain with Nijisanji after that is a bad person, not worthy of your respect or support.

>>69672979
To be fair, it's a long wait to leave if you want to leave.

>>69669017
She deserves good friends who won't betray her.

>>69670357
That 100K award is just around the corner, I'd say before 2024 ends she'll get that sweet, sweet play button

>>69672979
>For context, leaving Nijisanji is always an option for livers
Anyone staying is choosing to do so, as per Vox "if her age is on the clock, then it's time to fuck" Akuma.

>>69671500
>he

>>69673383
>she'll get that sweet, sweet play button
sorry to inform you, niji dont give them their play buttons, everyone who leaves makes the joke about finally getting one

>>69668117
>Together "support" an artist because she was bullied for selling their fan merch
the funny thing is the girl didn't get bullied lmao. All people said is basically "wow you really selling niji merch after what happened?" and that's it.

>>69673624
Sayu is indie.

>>69668117
They have always been like that. It's just that they have the attention of sane people, now.

-376k and counting!

>>69669226
Selen is already ok we want niji to burn

>>69674313
The loss is actually higher than that because they each had their normal daily growth up until the 5th. Should be getting close to -400k already.

>>69668117
They, the Niji fanbase, will fall for it. Over and over and over again. Their fanbase consists mainly of virtue signalling Twitter tourists who see an oshi mark as a new personality trait. They will garble up the most clearly noticeable falseflagging campaigns on the internet that would make Israel's PR committee look somewhat competent.

>>69673396
we usually use "if her age is on the clock, she's ready for the cock" because it rhymes, just fyi

>>69669396
>to get money from advertisers
why else would someone even have a YouTube channel? are you retarded??

>>69674313
VOX -30K DORYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>69669357
I swear you retards pull more doomsday dates out of your ass than Jehovah's Witnesses

>>69675529
To be fair, our retards do have a better track record than theirs.

>>69668858
>If there is we will strive to be better

Was it so hard of a response what the fuck did he think was gonna happen

>>69675190
Vox "Delve in at Twelve" Akuma

>>69674473
also for Vox and Luca, it only updates every 10k lost
so those 20/30k could be almost 30/40k and will not update the total loss for the branch

>>69668858
What kind of name is Yu Q. Wilson?

>>69675839
A slightly better one than bandage. But barely.

>>69668858
If they had common sense they would not reply to comments like that (also that user is based)

>>69673396
imagine believing le retard de vox akuma, if that was the case terminations like Zaion and Selen wouldn't happen ,cause both got to a point of asking to leave and nijiEN went the defamatory route
look at nijiJP cases like gundou mirei, she got a long ass public suspension and still got a normal graduation, only EN are doing this vindictive shit

>>69676013
Imagine debuting to nijisanji and your fucking icon is toilet paper

>>69673089
yeah all the graduated livers have said how it took months

>>69673183
she deserves to be my wife

>>69669070
That same old doomposting has been always true and justified

>>69678708
nice name retard

>>69678708
Why are you tripfagging?

>>69676106
defamatory lol

>>69677998
>Nijisanji Graduation/Termination queue

>>69669217
Selen is undoubtably bigger, but the climate her shitstorm happened in was built on the Zaion shit.
Sayu doesn't straight up deserve Doki numbers but she defs deserves to be re evaluated at the very least, with our new hindsight.

I think we were wrong about a Niji Clique bois

I think ti's a full-on Niji Cult.

>The inmates run the asylum
>NijiEN organs have gone mad
>Doki's playing Batman

>>69671884
It's most likely not that different from the gc stream.

>>69678794
that's a namefag
newfag

>>69681503
>calling others a newfag when he doesn't know what tripfagging is
Go back

>>69674313
>481k
jesus christ rosemi...

>>69681577
how many levels of bait is this?

Haven't trips been dead for years now?

I remember the days of secure tripcodes. Wonder why all tripcodes were killed though. Qanon?

>>69681787
Can Millie lose her 500k?

>do literally nothing wrong
>branch implodes
>lose milestones

>>69681852
>Wonder why all tripcodes were killed though.

I (unfortunately) just read a post by a tripfaggot on another board, what do you mean killed?

>>69681934
The bleeding has largely stopped, but I think she will lose 10k or so more before she starts seeing any new growth

At this point the only Nijis I care about are Rosemi because she's perfect, and Vanta because he's based.

>>69682070
I wish they stay in Niji forever

>>69681942
It's more like
>do literally nothing

>>69681787
The RRAT King awakens.
The Age of Tsunderia is here.
Soon all will be Whole.

>>69682224
it would be very funny if the leaving non-clique members of niji made a new corpo and had the Ratking as a mascot.

>>69668745
Yeah, me. She actually believes she'll be able to make the money selling her body

>>69668858

Yeah, dude really doesn't get that if he can't say "look, we know the company is shit, please don't take it out on artists", which is fine, then anything coming from them is going to come off as running defense for Blackcolor. And like fuck that.

>>69681942
> 500k Sub celebration stream planned and lined up
> Shitcanned cuz company and colleagues can't help but act up
Jesus Christ. I feel so bad for Rosemi.

>>69682614
Now all she has to do is attempt suicide and become an indie. Instant success.

>>69682687
Rosemi doesnj't have a history of mental issues to bank on; it'd look fake from first impressions.

>>69682395
>he figured out it's viral advertising

>>69682687
she actually isn't mentally ill, a true oddity in the vtubing industry

Anycolor and he chose white

>>69682687
She could just pull a Snowden, leak whats going on get terminated become indie.

>>69682945
Doing malicious stuff isn't a good look.

>>69679285
>So what you're saying is the EN branch is indestructible?
>Oh no! No, in fact even a minor yab could-
>Indestructible...

>>69668647
>a racist
TND Niji when?

>>69668117
all this and /vt/ is uninvolved. we used to be the drama and now we are just being cucked in that delicious drama.

>>69683154
>we

>>69668745
wouldnt that burn really badly? like, thats how you get a massive infection, who the fuck wipes their flora with shots, that seems monumentally stupid, no way she was serious, or she has a lot more faith in her immunesystem than I have in mine.

Someone really needs to reply to Uki's comment about white men by telling him to come back with an Asian avatar.

>>69681942
Imagine if Rosemi quit Nijisanji to become a full on lewdtuber.

>>69681852
they didn't use a secure tripcode. why would you want to get filtered anyways, being a random anon is the whole point

>>69683282
Why quit?

>>69668117
>their big brain strategy to prove they aren’t bullies is to shit talk people on twitter

>>69681852
The amount of tripfagging varies board to board. /mlp/ write a lot of horse porn so they tend to have lots of tripfags. /co/ is relatively ok with tripfagging.
Predictably, /jp/ gives a lot of shit about culture, so there's very little tripfagging on that board. /vt/ split off from /jp/ so it inherited /jp/'s culture.

>>69674313
Luca losing his 1M would be dream here, but this is a stretch unless he pulls something new in the chain of retardations

>>69683003
unironically the only way to quit nijisanji without waiting a year for graduation is to hire a lawyer lol

>>69684370
Literally just quit lmao they can't stop you.

What do nips nijidrones think of current shitstorm? Especially the recent clapbacks on twitter and the racist shit

>>69684454
>nijidrones
>think
Pick one

>>69684436
>Selen tried to kill herself and they still didn't let her graduate

>>69684505
Literally just stop working and go somewhere else loooool. Fuck are they gonna do? Force you to work? Slavery is illegal.

>>69684586
They can (and will) sue your ass.

>>69683654
Because Nijisanji bans the use of roommate accounts.

My rrat is that they are doing a heel turn. Not as in "organ is mean because reasons" but the whole branch.
They'll not only accept the bullying, they'll embrace it and take chat's lunch money.And then then'll back out when it fails within 3 months because most of the audience is against it.

>>69684620
"We lost money because she wouldn't work for us" is the most ridiculous legal argument I've ever heard in my life. Any western court would laugh at that.

>>69683282
BUILT FOR domination loss

>>69668647
It's weird with how strict, professional, and intensely protective NijiJP is, how they just let NijiEN turn to such nepotistic garbage with little to no oversight.

you would think they would hire an unaffiliated third party manager to handle the branch but NOPE, I guess that's how they were pinching pennies

>>69684887
>It's weird with how strict, professional, and intensely protective NijiJP is
Are you fucking high? NijiJP is an even bigger shitshow. That fucking academy scam, the fact there are two "NijiENs" who learned english to bypass the academy, then the rugpull and mass termination of the academy talent on an obvious lie...NijiJP is way more rotten, JPs just have a way higher tolerance than EOPs

I still think this whole thing gonna be a nothingburger and will blow over in a couple of weeks since
>niji made no official apologies
>no official admission of any wrongdoing within the company (bullying, favoritism, etc.)
suspension, stealth or otherwise doesn't mean shit. as soon as they start streaming again, they can still raked back their loss through supas.
Nothing will change

>>69685060
>there are two "NijiENs" who learned english to bypass the academy
Well that explains why Meloco is always so smug.

>>69684620
You can always just quit. The notice you have to give depends on where you are, of course, but there's no job you can't walk away from. The worst they can do is deny you reference and blacklist you.

>>69672570
There's also the one she deleted
>notPomu on Twitter talking about going to a graduation live of an idol called Yuuka Homura (nickname Pomu, from Homura)
>was worried about supporting her monetarily because of the company she belonged to had serious bullying allegations to the point where a ton of their members left and a former member sued
>but now she's happy to support her again in a new company
I like to imagine she's taking very subtle jabs.

>>69684436
it's called penalties and it's in your contract. for someone like Doki that didn't even have money for rent during her suspension paying the money needed to get out of the contract early wasn't a possibility, and probably isn't for most of their talents. they're also forbidden from taking other jobs while in the company, so yeah, if you want out you need to go for a termination through lawyer, else you wait for a graduation slot/contract period to end. if management doesn't like you they might not let you graduate at all and instead stealth suspend you

>>69684887
>It's weird with how strict, professional, and intensely protective NijiJP
LMAO. Anycolor would have burned down a long time ago if the japanese weren't so used to get fucked by black companies.

>>69685172
Did you see Enna's birthday SCs compared to last year?

>>69685233
Contracts are not allowed to break the law so you don't have a point here.
>If you ever leave this job you owe us a million dollars
Like holy mother of illegal shit, Batman.

>>69684844
Imagine how cute she'd be, pouting as you flip the tables and pin her down

>>69685172
>Still no birthday merch for Enna and Scarle
They are fucked.

>>69669679
Thank you for showing us how much these words make you upset, sister. Now we shall continue to keep using them.

>>69685349
Yeah, by me.

>>69684436
>>69684586
>>69685215
I know you're probably a zoomer who has never done contracted work before, so I'll sponfeed you on this. When you sign a contract, there are punishments(usually on both ends) on wrongful contract termination. Asking to "graduate" means a bilateral negotiated contract termination, where neither side "loses".

If you just leave not only you'll probably lose whatever they have yet to pay you, but you'll suffer the contract penalty on top of that. I'm not sure how Kuranji's looks like... but WACTOR's was in the millions of yens iirc

>>69685294
https://www.mondaq.com/canada/corporate-and-company-law/1106114/court-finds-500-penalty-clause-enforceable

first google hit. these things are usually legal and standard

>>69685060
Imagine Ren commissioning an instrumental for, recording, and uploading a song based on a Gura anti comment
Then consider that's actually a thing that happened in NijiJP, except it was Gwelu singing about Pekora

>>69685349
>no scarle
Good, she'll be in a better place soon
>no Enna
NOOOO, this whore has to sink with the ship!

>>69685294
>>69685495
People in these corpos have to buy their freedom like literal slaves. lol.

>>69685475
https://ca.practicallaw.thomsonreuters.com/9-200-3511?transitionType=Default&contextData=(sc.Default)&firstPage=true
>Employees with continuous employment of at least one month but less than two years are entitled to at least one week's notice from the employer. Employees with two years' continuous employment or more are entitled to one week's notice for each complete year, up to a maximum of 12 weeks' notice. The minimum notice to be given by an employee with at least one month's continuous employment is one week.

>>69685563
I don't think they are on their way out yet, they probably got punished.
>Scarle for liking that one comment
>Enna for acting like a retard

>>69668117
Firing Selen in such harrowing fashion after the attempt has irrevocably poisoned the company. Not just in PR terms or even just morally, but in terms of mass psychology.

The graduations did some serious damage, but Yugo, Sayu and Selen collectively is like an Indian cemetery. Like I The Shining, you can only burn the branch or be consumed by its evil.

>>69685786
>employees
They aren't employees, they are contractors. Effectively the same thing but with less than a third of the rights.

>>69684436
ok vox

>>69685844
Not in Canada. You cannot be a contractor if you have an exclusivity clause.

>>69685928
somehow i doubt Niji cares about Canadian law, they probably got some illegal shit in their contracts which is why you should be able to lawyer your way out of it. neither side wants actual details to get out regarding how things work and names etc.

>>69673502
>He's been dead this whole time. Raziel took a flight to his home right after the leaks.
C'mon meme magic!

>>69686063
>somehow i doubt Niji cares about Canadian law
Shifting the goalposts now, are we?

>>69686063
>somehow i doubt Niji cares about Canadian law
Maybe if they're outright 100% cartoonishly evil or stupid, but considering they're hiring Canadian talent, no, they should totally care about Canadian law.

Did Uki delete the rascist tweet? I can't find it anymore.

>>69686164
>>69686193
I think you might be vastly overestimating the competence of the people involved.
One thing we know for sure is that their contracts are incredibly vague on specifics.

>>69686193
their lawyers were outsourced minimum wage workers, i don't hold them in high regard

>>69686193
The talents can sue them in Canada, but would then have to ask a Japanese court to apply the verdict there (barring an applicable international treaty, but I don't think they are common outside things like intra-EU relations). Same for any money Niji holds up from months before termination.

>>69686193
>if they're outright 100% cartoonishly evil
>Release video bullying girl while she is live and while piblic opinion is on her side
They are. Riku himself is one curly mustache from looking like a cartoon villain.

>>69685172
Not a nothingburger. We're already seeing the declines taking place, with the subs first and foremost, but also with the reduced donations and merch. Sponsors are being cut and game permissions are being denied. Though the heaviest bleeding has stopped for now, there is no short or medium term vision for growth without radical structural changes, which to me, despite Riku's statement, don't seem to be coming. There is no excitement factor anymore, only angst, confusion, and anxiety. The tarnished reputation of the company has pretty much gone mainstream at this point, so continuing to affiliate yourself with the company will only serve as a negative. If any vtubers had concerns about their future with NijiEN beforehand, they most certainly should be making plans now before going down with the ship altogether.

>>69686063
>somehow i doubt Niji cares about Canadian law
That's eventually going to bite them in the ass.
You have to recognize and comply with the laws where your contractors/employees live out of state/country and work remotely. Period. Same goes for companies that offer services internationally, they have to comply with local laws where their paying customers reside.
One of the biggest reasons Cover and Niji haven't entered the EU market is because EU privacy and business laws are way more strict and regulated, especially in regards to e-commerce and international dealings.

>>69668117
It must be really fucking bad behind the scenes and people are getting nervous.

I bet half of the branch is going to graduate or get terminated. For people who were not planning to graduate before this could mean months of no money.

>>69685241
half of it was chinese femcel sisters trying to boost her numbers too, embarrassing

>>69686525
>A jurisdiction clause in an international contract will specify which country's courts will hear a dispute if one was to arise under the contract.
They are slimy, but not entirely stupid.

>>69685241
Also not even 10k on karaoke is really bad for her.

>>69674313
Did Scarle break even somehow?

>>69684075
it depends on the thread in some boards. /fit/ has threads like /plg/ and /fat/ where people are expected to tripfag so that they can keep track of progress but you'll be mocked for doing so outside those threads.

>>69686836
liking a kurosanji comment and taking potshots at nijien never allowing her to make a daki was a win for her.

>>69668117
Only thing gone mad is the mob that's too emotionally blinded to see what actually happened.

>>69686935
Wait no Scarle daki? Do they not actually want money or something?

>>69669070
>posts Code Gayass
Opinion invalidated.

>>69684075
/sp/ also used to have a ton of tripfags back in the day before it turned into a shittier, dumber /pol/ clone during MAGA. Don't think it ever recovered.

>>69687019
true, sisters refuse to see whats going on and continue praising their boys to high heavens, while dismissing any of their wrongdoings.

>>69685495
That doesnt say you can just put whatever bullshit you want into a contract, you can still only put what a court deems reasonable

>>69685172
>a nothing burger
>anycolor stock takes a 20% shit and the CEO has to fucking go on camera to try to beg investors to not leave

>>69686714
That is perfectly fine for B2B - they might even have an obligatory arbitration clause there. The problem is misclassification of employees and employment law would still apply "locally", but would require suing them. In Europe it's an even bigger problem because of social insurance - an employer not paying them might be committing a crime. Transnational enforcement is still very hard.

>>69685928
The Canadian lawyer went about it and concluded the way nijisanji acts is so abusive the role of the talents is closer to independent contractors rather than employees

>>69685172
So anycolor's stock losing 20% of its value is a nothingburger? Okay then.

>>69668117
out of all the situations they could've picked to show their kindness and support,
its one where an artist has a breakdown over people talking out loud about how shit the company is

>>69687076
Because Nijisanji is a cash-grab (by Riku's own admission), they're incredibly sensitive to anything that might spook shareholders by being the least bit controversial.

Dakis, Palworld, Neopets+Scientology, Nina revealing she's actually Ukrainian, etc.

Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if they keep Enna around to be a "One China" shill if anything goes down with Taiwan (Selen, in contrast, was the wrong type of Chinese).

>>69687135
The a few artists fucked up the perms and as a result fucked up Selen's perms. It's that simple. It's right there in plain sight.
>b-but manager incompetence
The perms would only bite NijiEN in the ass, the artist just needed to send the perms back and not contest the vod or any monetization there would never be an issue.
>b-but Selen paid out of pocket
That's industry standard you midwit, all top 3 corpos pay out of pocket for stuff that isn't corpo mandated or sponsored. Just say you hate Niji and don't care about what actually happened insetad of larping like you give a shit about the truth instead of your pet rrats.

>>69686648
Cover only using superchats in EU (no direct dealings with a consumer), as opposed to stream elements might be motivated by this.
Does anyone know who is listed as the business entity on Nijisanji SEs? If you donated, they should have sent you an invoice.

>>69687240
They're explicitly dependent contractors, not independent. The law are different and much closer to employee laws.

>>69683654
I really wish she would just do JAV already.

>>69687076
>https://twitter.com/Grxit/status/1758485334034116888
yep

>>69687465
She basically already does, anon.

>>69687402
>putting blame on artists
holy tourist

Even if you think the Doki saga is over, that's only the opening act. Realistically it ain't over. There's going to be more fireworks from Niji. Whenever a group loses its leader, there's going to be a power vacuum. Someone is going to try and step up and fill the void. I fully expect there to be more infighting behind the scenes and general shithousery.

>>69668117
nijiorgans come from twitter, they live for the retarded drama

>>69687607
The only fireworks will come from Niji's end
All Doki has to do is nothing at all and Niji will implode as it always has. The saga is over and we're going to go back to business as usual

>>69680111
yeah if zaion hadn't happened people wouldn't have caught on that fast to niji's smear campaigns that fast

>>69686836
No, she's -3000. The 30-day value already takes in account the 7-day one.
>>69687402
>me when I spread lies on the internet

>>69687557
Rubbing her clit through her underwear and wearing cheap ass pasties doesn't count. I want to see her gangbanged and abused.

I think Rosemi's return stream will make big numbers. The drama is getting washed down and the stock is recuperating too. I think Niji will soon go back to normal, but their public image is completely destroyed. It will take months to the livers to get back their pre-scandal numbers.

>>69685241
justice takes form in many shapes
>now we wait for whenever the hell elira's birthday is

>>69687744
The sad part is that this is mostly true.
>"They wouldn't dare to pull a zaion on selen, right?"
>They do.
>"WTF, guys?"

Zaion was almost like a test run to see if a nijisanji campaign would work, and because it did, instead of being smart and figuring it worked with zaion was because she was extremely new, they thought "oh, it worked with her, that means it's going to work with everyone!" and then went pikachu voice when, no, it didn't because it doesn't work that way.

When will Pomu speak up?

>>69685495
IANAL
>clause was found to be not "in terrorem" aka a means of intimidation
>penalty clause was created by the guy who ended up breaking contract
>penalty clause was found to be a reasonable pre-estimation of damages
I don't think it would apply in the same way for a niji liver if they went to court but again I am not a lawyer

>>69687974
Maybe (for Rosemi), HA! for everything else.

>>69688041
she already did

>>69688176
>The impact is extremely minor

>>69685172
I wouldn't call it a nothingburger; we can see the considerable hit their talents took in terms of subscriptions, SC, and CCV. Still, it will take a long time for us to see the full connotations of what happened here. It's not a fight that'll have a definite, satisfying ending (barring a complete NijiEN collapse in a year or two) but something that will loom over the company going forward and likely affect the scene as a whole.

>>69687402
I'm sorry but fucking up an NDA multiple times when you're trying to send it to an artist is not the artist's fault.
If a corporation can't even GET ITS DOCUMENTS RIGHT, it's a shit corporation.

I could imagine Pomu's once-in-a-lifetime-opportunity was fucked up by them sending Konami a bunch of fucked up documents and Konami going NANI THE FUCK?

>>69687402
companies draw up and provide contracts, how are the artists supposed to fuck up lmao

>>69688409
We dug into that one already. This is the most likely reason.

>>69688409
pomus once in a lifetime opportunity was much worse. they flat out refused it without any negotiations, they simply said "no". they did that to pomu, the person that in her debut wanted to make people love nijisanji and then later on decided to quit the company in tears.

>>69688678
as an idolfag she should have known better. niji was always a black company and it was no secret they would introduce males down the line. examples of various JP talents getting shafted was everywhere

>>69668117
When you spend all your time in an echo chamber hug box like Nijisanji EN your outlook on reality becomes warped. They think what they are doing is normal and good, but everyone else sees they're crazy.

>>69668117
Reminder that if you still see a person defending NijiEN at this point they probably look like this.

>>69688409
>Get's caught handing over his company account to a random person breaking multiple NDA's super badly, so he doesn't have to do anything
>Has a random person sign merch for him advertising it was him that may or may not be fraud
>Maybe the person who leaked a bunch of stuff as well
>Mangers still got his back
Mangers are pretty good at their job and got their talents back going off of this.

>>69688409
>>69688480
>>69687579
By refusing to fill out and send back the paperwork needed for perms.
>she said she got the okay
Obviously not by management.

>>69668858
What a retard.

>>69689014
sure retard, sign documents that have wrong information in them. lol

>>69687402
I tell you for a fact they're already black listed in a huge amount of large art circles now. I mean good for you defending that, but have fun with every artist ghosting you.

>>69687402
>The a few artists fucked up the perms and as a result fucked up Selen's perms. It's that simple. It's right there in plain sight.
Nijisanji literally said themselves in the screenshots from Elira's stream that the problem was lack of perms from images of PAST LIVERS, not artists. Again sisters making shit up
>b-but Selen paid out of pocket
Well the artists themselves have said Niji said they would pay them. Selen only had to pay after they never followed through or are the artists lying now?

>>69687398
>they're incredibly sensitive to anything that might spook shareholders by being the least bit controversial
this while 100% true is really funny cause you think they'd be even more cautious than Holo about graduations and terminations

>>69688616
Yeah, they really just mishandled a dream for that girl. Sad shit.

>>69689255
It's worse, they smothered that shit in the womb because it conflicted with some faggot's completely unrelated interests.

>>69688176
>incompetent operation
Niji-bro's, not like this...

>>69671884
Why do you think tripfags are shat on here? If they weren't, this place would quickly turn into a discord-like cesspit

>>69689173
>artists lying now?
>now
Are you serious? They've been lying and grifting since they figured out clout = money
>le perms
Because the artist is getting the perms to make the art of them, not Niji. If she got the perms she never let management know because she never sent back the doc.

>>69689615
Ah yes the good ol' "Everyone is lying except for the billion dollar company" argument.

>>69689183
As evidenced by the "negligible" IR and Tazumi's response during a past call-in, they're pretty confident that they can just handwave these all as minor internal matters of contractors leaving the industry for good to shareholders.

>>69687402
>The a few artists fucked up the perms and as a result fucked up Selen's perms. It's that simple. It's right there in plain sight.
????????????????? What the fuck are you talking about?

>>69690056
I'm convinced recruitment criteria for NDF is having severe brain damage.

>>69687402
Holy fuck you sisters are retarded.
>Blaming the artists, defending management
Managements whole job in that situation is to get the perms. It's their incompetence that fucked the whole situation.
>industry standard
The specific artist who tweeted about that said that Niji was supposed to pay her but fucked her around for months, so Selen graciously paid out of pocket, plus a tip. So your deflection is bullshit.

>>69668647
>severe bullying almost resulting in death
All just bullshit claims.
Double funny that the person who always acted like the toughest one around not claims to be the fragile little victim

>>69671500
>Comes out scot free
nah, he's 100% fucked. He's on a deathrow to termination, Niji wont just graduate or terminate anyone just yet, and will keep the façade going like nothing happened. But internally a lot of people has been noticed they are utterly fucked and to start packing up.

The funniest thing is that in the end Shoto was the good guy and no amount of calling him a leech will make anti-guildie nijiwhores look better

>>69690323
Why are you so ableist? You are spewing literal normie tier "if ur depress jus laff" bullshit

>>69690323
>All just bullshit claims.
proof?

>>69671500
Luca is engaging in exachad behavior, he will be fine regardless of whether he gets terminated or not.

>>69690056
They're retarded. Don't think too hard about it, Friend.

>>69690162
If artist refuses to send in perms but tells Selen she got them that's on the artist for being a lying sack of shit.
>Niji said they would pay
And they probably would have if she sent the fucking perms doc back

>>69690461
I despise people who use these sympathy cards. I am no racist, but despise people who use being black as a defense. I am no sexist, but I hate people using being a women as a defense. I am not ableist, but I hate people using their health as a defense. Everybody got fucking stuff to deal with.
>>69690569
lol how ironic. yeah, where is the proof of her accusations?

>>69689014
Yep, complete failure by management, I agree. Imagine if you can't get proper paperwork back from an artist, but you don't let anyone else involved in the project know until the last minute after the video is already edited.

>>69691008
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o65VwnQvWW4
Here, 15 minutes of Elira, Vox and that other guy bullying Selen.

>>69690930
>If artist refuses to send in perms but tells Selen she got them that's on the artist for being a lying sack of shit.
proof?

>>69690930
Yeah I'm sure every single artist who came out in defense of Selen just didn't fill out the proper paperwork. Holy shit you're retarded.

>>69668117
This is a bogstandard radicalization cycle, the only novelty is that it's over choobas instead of politics or religion. A community based on something objectively wrong grows in numbers during quiet times, and then when the core contradiction gets exposed the less dedicated slink away while those that remain get louder and start turning on anyone that isn't 100% dedicated. By the time it's over the community will be much smaller but those that remain in it will be much more active, much less tolerant of dissent, and their beliefs will be even further from reality. They start recruiting again and the cycle repeats, and the more the cycle repeats the more it becomes impossible for those in it to leave. When you've invested so much time into something fucking stupid, leaving it will destroy you, because it means having to face the fact that you are fucking stupid.

>>69683282
Nah she needs to do porn unironically.

>>69691059
They just confirm how she is full of shit and that there would be zero issue if she just played by the rules like any normal member, OR just fucking quit without expecting special treatment

>>69669070
>myself prefer to even fights in the spirit of true chaos I'll be taking my talents to the other side to even the odds.
Don't try to kid yourself with this chuuni cope, you're just a nijifag mad because your favorite billion dollar corporation is crumbling.

>>69685475
They are employees not contractors.

>>69691328
Sure thing sister, Which is why they deliberately timed it during her neopets stream (they literally adjusted the original start time to start half an hour early), And why they showed a heavily cropped set of discord dms without further context, AND why they were shaking crying and chuckling while yapping BS about doxing and recording, Yep selen is TOTALLY the one that's "full of shit"

>>69691328
Ah yes, not having your character assassinated while under NDA unable to defend yourself is apparently "special treatment" to you fucking smooth brain motherfuckers. Go figure.

>>69686063
>somehow i doubt Niji cares about Canadian law
So Kurosanji is literally just a criminal organization.

>>69672979
>all my least liked Vtubers fuck off
how is this a bad thing again?

>>69691328
In the same stream that they said that including personal info in a legal document for lawyer eyes only is equivalent to doxxing. Yeah I'm sure all of the things that they said in that stream are 100% truthful and not at all manipulation tactics.

>>69691504
yeah the company just has it out for Selen because...ugh...look they just do!
sure people like Pomu managed to leave no problem, but somehow that was not possible for Selen because ugh...look it was just impossible!

>>69687402
Standard industry with Hololive and Vshojo is
>streamer contacts artist
>streamer tells manager because company owns IP
>manager signs contract with artist
>manager pays artist
>payment for artist comes out of streamers stipend (if one exists) otherwise out of their next payout from SCs or memberships

>>69691844
This is the most retarded thing you've written so far. Moving the black screen stream to coincide with Selen's first gaming stream isn't "out to get her?" Releasing a three page termination doc on twitter without sending it to her first isn't "out to get her"? Holy shit bro good to know I can do whatever the fuck I want to you and it won't constitute being out to get you, because apparently nothing counts.

>>69691844
Were you not there during zaion

>>69692080
you are retarded if you think this attempt of damage control and making their side heard first was done for zero reason. clearly Dramabird was fighting with them behind the scenes which pushed it to this point. if she just fucking quit like a normal person, nobody would have done anything

>>69691981
If artist won't send docs back there's no project, no project then no payment. This isn't hard to understand.

>>69691981
I know that they even do this for merch since Lamy talked about that's how they handled her personal merch she was doing.

>>69691328
I know it's funny that you can't tell shitposts from unironic sister spergs on this board anymore but I hope people refrain from posting like this ironically, because it just invites people who unironically believe this shit and it'll slowly drive away everyone else until your board is full of actual retards like /pol/

>>69692241
You know times are bad when the best argument defenders can come up with is 'what the company did is so obviously retarded that there must be hidden reasons for it that we can't see'.

>>69692241
There it is, like clockwork. Fuck off back to you doxxsite faggot.

>>69692241
You think moving their blackscreen stream to coincide with her gaming stream was "damage control" and not a conscious decision to screw with her? Next you'll tell me that a wife fucking another guy means she wants to stay in the marriage.

>>69692196
You mean that disgusting shotacon?

>>69692397
There's no hidden reasons, it's out in plain sight if you remove your personal rrats and bias.

>>69692475
At least she's not a chink whore like you, so that's something.

>>69692475
"Shit I don't have a good response, deflect, deflect!"

>>69692419
>Next you'll tell me that a wife fucking another guy means she wants to stay in the marriage.
Bit she unironically does. You get to remain on the husband's paycheck while getting dick on the side. There's literally no downside for the woman in this scenario.

>>69671884
The Stardew Valley leak by Petra happened in early 2022 and the first thing most people pointed out is how Fulgur types like a /vt/ anon.

>>69692419
>OMG GUYS! THE STREAMS! LISTEN TO THIS! THE STREAMS WERE AT THE SAME TIME!
oh dear. how...horrible? I am shocked. shocked, I tell you

>>69690930
Good thing that scenario is a completely made up delusion of yours and not reflective of reality then.

>>69692605
your precious corp will burn and there's nothing you can do to stop it

>>69692698
Anon she said herself she never sent docs back. The only thing doc possibly could be for is perms. Without perms there is no project. Without a project there is no payment. This really isn't hard.

>>69692241
Were you not there during Zaion?

>>69668117
>sound racist
>sound
He is racist my dude

>>69692699
>precious corpo
I fucking loathe Niji because of their shit the past few years. But truth is the truth and it disgusts me you faggots are unironically invested in rrats.

>>69692699
I do not care about the corp. I care about some obviously manipulative cunt getting her anus licked by so many gullible idiots

>>69690323
>acted like the toughest one around not claims to be the fragile little victim
did you know that people that laugh a lot and comedians and shit are more often than not as a cope mechanism to not kill themselves?

>>69692605
>>69692699
we re going to have the last laugh after all. Burn it all down.

>>69692874
>I actually hate Niji, hold on I gotta wipe the last bit of Riku's jizz off of my face, anyway as I was saying I hate Niji but you're all just too stupid to listen to reason.

>>69692874
>>69692883
Holy kek this is what you guys cooked up?

>>69691328
They confirmed that the reason for blocking the MV was complete BS.

>>69691265
>When you've invested so much time into something fucking stupid, leaving it will destroy you, because it means having to face the fact that you are fucking stupid.
Leftists in a nutshell

>>69692874
>>69692883
FUCKING KEK The canned response, did you guys have a fucking strategy meeting in your retarded discord channel. Holy fuck I can't

>>69692976
Arguing with the NDF will get you nowhere. They are either bad faith or completely retarded, no inbetween.

>>69668647
get a bpd girlfriend so she threatens suicide and then ask her to give you real punishment for almost making her kill herself.

>>69691844
Hostile terminations followed by channel deletion.
>Yugo
>Sayu
>Selen

Graduations accompanied by talent complaining of poor management.
>Mysta
>Nina
>Pomu

>>69691844
>people like Pomu managed to leave no problem
LOL

>>69692883
nobody here is stuck on the selen issue, hasnt been in like a week. get a new copy of your manual seamonkey. youre behind schedule. Good morning though, seems like youve an early morning today.

>>69692805
You've got a big, retarded knot of jumbled talking points that make no sense, lol.

Whose job is it again to send the correct form to the correct people and make sure all the legal stuff is ironed out? Management.

None of that even matters, though, because we have screenshots of Niji management (released by Elira on her hit-piece stream) saying that the permissions needed were because of the ex-livers on the video, not because of missing docs from artists. So your whole argument is retarded nonsense.
>Verification not required.

>>69693229
Cucks niggersfaggots Seaniggers normalfaggots redditors cucks. Holofaggots seanigggers

>>69693292
lol seethe

>>69692874
Sisters... you need to send better warriors

>>69692600
It's funny he is the one keeping his head down the most now.

>>69691844
>people like Pomu managed to leave no problem
What THE FUCK are you talking about, you fucking retard?

>>69693311
I don't seethe about monkeys

>>69693087
im beginning to think that entire female fanbase of nijisanji is "bpd"

>>69693576
Right, that's why you melted down into a misspelt pile of slurs after your argument got shat on, lol.

>>69693595
They are, and paid shills. Gotta get those steam cards somehow.

>>69693595
doubt it, real bpds are actually good at manipulation and what we re looking at is like a buncha ESL teenagers going to 4chan for the first time with scripted answers and stuff.

>>69693292
blacked company cuck rage lol

Enna's birthday stream earnings really show how fucked they are long term

>>69686063
>somehow i doubt Niji cares about Canadian law
yeah this much is apparent now

>>69692699

>>69670759
Rolling