/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>69600747
>most successful female
>"bring nothing good to the branch"
mean girls clique gaslighting hard

>>69600747
Where the hell is this from?

>>69600747
The hell is this from?

>>69600879
>>69600905
It was posted in a random catalog thread on 12/30/23.

>>69600852
Yeah, they do that
https://youtu.be/dnP5bIRfwq0?t=264

>>69600879
>>69600905
this is a doctored screenshot from when selen notified the artists helping her with last cup of coffee that the video went down and may never return

>>69600984
>sayu
>credible source

>>69601026
>doctored screenshot
So you have the original?

>>69601026
>doctored screenshot

What's the original?

>>69600747
>What measures will Nijisanji take to make sure the clique is gone
none whatsoever, they still dont see any problem and are continuing to quadruple down
they think some PR stunts, botspam and shills will fix the problem
if anything they have instructed them to bully even harder so nobody survives any other attempts

>>69601026
It was posted before the one taking about the MV

>>69601078
It's been sayu, nina and Selen now saying the same thing now. I'd say it's not a coincidence

>>69601026
Except it was posted before the more credible-sounding one informing artists.
Most likely both screenshots were posted by Selen herself, who knows if either were posted in this supposed artists discord.

>>69601078
Has she actually been wrong about anything?

>>69601160
>sayu
>selen
wow the two grifters are edging the dramafags, what a revelation
>nina
how to tell me you don't watch her in one quick sentence

>>69601026
So true sis

>>69601152
>the clique are still in NijiEN
>the clique will get a leader straight from the main branch
well shit

>>69601203
When you reference everyone's details about the company, none so far. Her statement just wasn't as damning or impactful as expected.

>>69600747
>>69601173
It's fake, the font is wrong. But a good try, nonetheless.

>>69601273
>taking the side of a sinking yacht
Yeah your CEO should bow a few more times

>>69601078
Hey roachfag, if it's not real, why did Matarakan get mad at her for "breaking NDA" and not, say, "telling lies"? It's 100% real.

>>69601126
>>69601143
wait, this isn't doctored? i thought this was obvious bait based on the last cup of coffee message that got leaked my mistake

>>69601380
That's the exact same font, screenshotted on different devices.

>>69601380
That looks the same to me?

>>69601160
>>69601273
You forgot Pomu though

>>69601203
>all she said and and the proof she provided boils down to "trust me pro it's 100% true i didn't do nuffin'
>>69601392
>why matara was mad at someone who routinely broke nda in niji and post niji and then on top of that leak private conversations to leech dramafags and bring her back in the drama
wow, we have a genius here.

>>69601273
Matara's had nothing positive to say about "Hollywood", though she does seem to focus on management being frustrating to work with. The only one of the talents she talks about in particular is Pomu, to the point of ">daily Pomu mention" being a joke on /vsj+/.

>>69601380
Anon.....

>>69601543
>Matara's had nothing positive to say about "Hollywood"
>she said on stream she loved everything in hollywood outside of the insane sis and the dramaturds it lured in
next time, what streams instead of clippers

>>69600747
why are people here so retarded and believe every discord screenshot

>>69601541
Nice try but her literal words were "I've had people casually break NDAs on me", in reference to Sayu. It's in reference to that clip. Feel free to cope about it but she's telling the truth.

>>69601410
No, it's not doctored.

>>69600747
>Elira self-reported themselves: Millie, Enna & I
maybe...just maybe don't give don't give any management power to your talents and avoid Favoritism but then again it's a fucking kurosanji

Thank God! Pomu left that shithole

>>69601380

>>69601693
The Niji discord leak was real

>>69601744
>he proves by himself sayu is a piece of shit
wow

>>69601026
>hurrhurr doctored gimme your (you)
Prove it, faggot.

>>69601820
Yes because we saw it on stream but majority of it isn't.

>>69601825
Being a piece of shit doesn't mean that you are lying. Matara confirmed what Sayu said.

>>69601637
She's talked about how shocking it is to have managers who actually support you. But no, she just looooooved working at Niji. That's why she graduated right?

This girl wouldnt even out the her bullies, and yall think shes would say this? For fuck sake

>>69601825
Except the question here is not whether she's a piece of shit, but whether she's telling the truth. And she is.

>there's no bullying in niji- ACK

>>69601911
>>69601955
>wow, i can't even be trusted to not break nda
>but sure, i'm 100% saying the truth
kek

Matara talked about loving everyone in NijiEN, not the company. Ironically, that's what Sayu also said (except Finana and Kotoka for obvious reasons).

>>69601541
Whether or not you found Sayu's claims credible at the time, basically everything she's said has turned out true.

>>69601998
Anon, just take the L and move on.

>>69602028
yeah ? when ? Please provide me tangible proof that doesn't boil down to "trust me bro sayu and doki said so"

>>69602097
Matara and Kuro said so.

>>69601998
>i can't even be trusted to not break nda
yeah, you're allowed to break it whenever something illegal is going on

>>69602176
your delulu ain't the trululu
>>69602178
and now we're back to fanfictions

>>69602241
>Can't argue back
I accept your concession, you can go now.

>>69602097
The incompetency of the management has been attested by pretty much every other ex-Niji. Niji themselves practically self-reported on the clique and favoritism with Elira's video. Can you provide any claim Sayu's made that's been proven false?

>>69602380
>Can you provide any claim Sayu's made that's been proven false?
I cant believe were at the point where people think its the others person job to prove someone else claim, thats not how it works.

>>69601380
>only difference is x-height
that’s too small a difference in my opinion

>>69602176
>Matara
Has only said management wasnt helpful. Thats literally it.

>>69602241
>the chat reflects the streamer

>>69601833
kys

>>69602241
If you told us in November everything we know now then we'd call it fanfiction.

Yet here we are.

>>69600747
Jesus christ what the fuck really happened during that time? I think it's part paranoia and part truth.

>>69602449
Come on, let's play ball a little here. The least you can do is tell me which claims she's made that I need to provide evidence for. Please be specific about what things she's said that you don't believe.

>>69600879
/HAHA/ before the termination notice. It was leaked by an artist discord

Remember, any momo who doesn't say "total niji death" isn't a true momo.

>>69601380
here's a case of how not to do digital sleuthing

>>69601987
>I didn't want to support monetarily
>She's going to a new company so I can fully support her now
Hold the line brothers, they'll all be out soon

>>69602672
again the girl wont even name her bullies, her outing them in a random art discord is completely unbelievable

>>69600747
>selen says she's very lonely
>pomu is in antartica with elira watching her like a hawk so she can't have discord calls with selen
>they even share the same room
>tfw things could've been different if pomu didn't take that trip

>>69602672
> /haha/
>the place where they had a tracker schizo posting daily how she was groomed in apex by the dragooncord mods

>>69602501
not an argument

>>69602722
you smoothbrained sisters cannot comprehend that it might have been one of the artists? Why is NDF trying to suppress this discord leak so hard?

>>69601693
The syntax is spot-on, this is exactly how she writes.
We know the one around the same time explaining that the MV would have to go down was real.
The claims made in the screenshot more or less track with the claims she made in public later.

It's too authentic to dismiss out of hand and not outrageous enough to rouse suspicion.

>>69602848
>Why is NDF trying to suppress this discord leak so hard?
where is this happening?

>>69602734
Pomu had already decided to graduate, and we now know it was because Niji shot down her dream project for no reason.
It was inevitable, anyone trying to do more than the bare minimum will be forced out, lest they overshadow the clique.

>>69602734
what did Pommers know and when did she know it

>>69602722
you do know all the artists doing the last cup of coffee are inside one discord server sharing updates and progress yeah? selen was just informing the artists there.

>>69602926
If you look back at every time it has been posted, there has been a surprisingly high amount of people attempting to discredit it instead of leaving it be. If it's really fake, then why fight it? If people want to chase dead ends and build their narrative off something wrong, shouldn't the sisters leave this be?

Their attempts to discredit it only makes it seem more credible to me.

>>69600747
I remember seeing this screenshot and dismissing it as shitty fanfiction... but it checks out with everything we know now.

>>69603019
>If it's really fake, then why fight it?
Because its ignoring Doki's wish for the drama to end. But this board doesnt actually care about that or her to begin with.

>>69602097
-Kuro and Matara being in awe at how actual management look like
-Matara almost breaking down on stream saying that Mouse saved her and she was in a bad fucking place mentally speaking

(Even POMU leaving because of how management was fucking incompetent and denied her a once in a lifetime collab -probably MGS-)
Sisters :
>No NijiEN was love and hope and magical girls and no bullying and world peace

You girls are really a fucking mental case, denying every fucking fact that goes against your delirious narrative
Seek a professional

>>69603081
>pulls out the doki wouldnt want this
>after shittalking her credibility

Pick a side, woman.

>>69602977
We'll probably never know for sure because most likely she'll try to avoid talking about it entirely. She might not even take shots at management like the other ex-Nijis since the whole branch is only to get more and more defensive about its reputation and I doubt Pomu wants to provoke anyone.

>>69603276
.....where did i attack doki's credibility?

Oh no retards on /vt/ are bullying us by posting... on /vt/. Doki wouldnt want that!

This is how you know these 39 IQ niggers are tourists

>>69603354
I see were going to ignore everything on this board at the moment is reaching everywhere

>>69601273

>>69602722
>>69603342
Stupid nigger

>>69603435
Thats not an attack on her credibility, the fuck are you talking about.

>>69600747
the EN branch will be shut down and the leftovers will be merged

>>69601273
>grifters
nice buzzword faggot

>>69602734
>the absolute length Elira went

>>69603406
>vt niggers rrats are false and thus cant affect anything
>vt niggers actually affect everything with their drama

The 39IQ cant even decide on their playbook here

>>69600747
>If I stay, I'll be resented by a majority of people in the branch

This sticks out, just because of how weird it seems. There were really that many people that had a problem with her? If so, what could've possibly happened to cause that? Jealousy, or did she do something behind the scenes that pissed people off? I find it hard to believe that she could really have that many enemies there, but I guess it's possible.

>>69603625
Who are you quoting

>>69603617
The ship itself has satellite internet. If they went there as tourists, it's reasonable to assume they had some form of connection provided to them. Maybe not fast or cheap.

>>69603650
Unless Elira is a top manipulator, and I really doubt that seeing how she's fucking retarded, I think the whole screen is false, she wouldn't have shared that kind of shit without it breaking containment near-instantly and it would have come up right after the hospital news

>>69603009
If what she is saying is true, why the hell would she go forward with the video? Why glorify the people who supposedly hate you? Everyone trying to say its true are just contradicting doki's own words and actions.

>>69601026
Wth is this? Niji has the budget to hire SEA dogs and pagpageaters to raid vt but can't pay artists on time?

>>69603479
You're basically implying there were no bullies. She has stated pretty clearly and nijisanji corroborates that there were bullies among the livers

>>69603812
>Video is already way down the pipeline, people have finished their work and everything might be okay to get it uploaded.
>Gets news that she is hated
>Doesn't want to throw everyone elses work in the garbage
>Posts the video anyway
I think that fits Doki's mindset

>>69603650
>If so, what could've possibly happened to cause that?

clique is shadowmanagement.
clique ramps up pressure on selen in 2023
clique lies and manipulates information in the company
clique flexes their muscles and blame selen.
half the people believe what theyre hearing because the people running the branch wouldnt just lie right?
the other half realizes whats going on, but is bound by ndas and contracts to the point where doing anything to help selen is professional suicide and wouldnt actually change the powerbalance. Some people that are aware of this and keep getting negatively affected by things too whenever they dont play along try to get out before they get sayud.

this playbook is textbook mean girlclique and works everywhere where a group like that has any actual power. the termination notice was (supposed to be) the final shot, not the first.
we re not talking about "bullying", this is worse than highschool, this is characterassasination within the company, as well as inflicting financial and public reputational damage. we re not talking about a few means messages here. for some reason nobody ever talks about that.

>>69601987
Funny how much Niji sisters shit on not-Pomu. The fact she had to delte because it hit too close to her past is so dumb.

>>69601380
This is a 1:1 match you fucking retard.

>>69603799
Except it's true. Everyone seems to resent her. They got some of her closest friends to go on stream and trash her. They're corporate dicksuckers.

>>69604027
It's fucking work. Shes helping improve brand image even with bad actors within.
Until she couldnt do that anymore and reached her breaking point.
How is that so hard to understand?

>>69603650
These sort of things can start from basically nothing. Some minor slight that slowly grows into a grudge and spreads, like a little nick getting infected and festering. A lot of the time people won't even remember how it started or they'll just hop on the bandwagon without knowing or caring why the bandwagon started up. This is just how high school/office drama goes. Even reasonable people get drawn into this shit under the right circumstances.

>>69603650
>I find it hard to believe that she could really have that many enemies there

>>69009739

Not enemies, just cowards that chose to bow to Elira because they all knew what she's capable of doing to them.

>>69604220
It truly isn't that difficult to understand

>>69604190
>They're corporate dicksuckers.
>im a child and dont understand the consquences of breaking a contract
fixed that for you

>>69600747
by hiring new people and paying them the same shit salary, it will turn out great

>>69601380
NDFcord not sending their brightest

>>69604063
>The fact she had to delte because it hit too close to her past is so dumb
I think she deleted it becase she got embarrassed when she realized the real Pomu could probably read it
Pomu is a nice girl and probably wanted to throw a subtle jab, but she is also a retard

>>69601380
>the font is wrong
As someone with eyes I'm gonna say you're "right", in quotation marks. The aliasing is different. You can also compare the sharpness of the display picture thumbnail, there are slight differences in the quality of the image.

However, all this does is prove that two different people took screenshots. That doesn't mean it's fake.

>>69604397
Vox and Ike were not just fulfilling their contract. They actually went on stream and spent fifteen minutes dragging her through the mud because they wanted to. They could have easily declined because of some excuse. Even the people that just retweeted it easily could have declined and been fine, just like Scarle. They did it because they wanted to, because they're cowards, or because they're weak. Simple as.

>>69604397
At this point I have to entertain the possibility that the sisters are double-agents. Defending this shit a year ago is what let things get this bad inside Niji, and they're still bending over backwards to do it again.

>>69603650
I mean just look at the NijiEN twitter accounts or the other discord leaks, you need 1 of them to say something and the other 30 will repeat it word by word

>>69603650
speculation

sayu's story said when she had questions management would tighten to noose on all livers related to the same issue

we all know how many times selen has said she fought with management for events and to keep up content, if the same kinda mismanagement happened multiple times it would be plausible that she was hated by her coworkers

>>69604397
Internalized Black Company bs

If youre not a retard you can look for a decent job that does not involve bullying your colleague or slandering them

>>69604397
...is that supposed to make it better?

>>69604056
and people caught on fast this time because we've already seen how niji used the playbook to drag sayu through the mud

>>69602711
I wish she left these up for all the NDF who go "noooooo you have to spend money to support them even though most of it goes to the company"

>>69604781
You have no idea what the possible penalties are. There is a reason why the world uses contracts and people don't regularly break them, fucking christ people out here pretending this is the one exception, its not.

>>69604784
No its not, Japan idol contracts are absurd and it would be nice if people took a minute to study them.

>>69604190
We know that the team rocket + Vox sexpest and Mr "who tf are you again ?" do resent her but desu I haven't the slightest fucking idea about the rest, I still find it too big and believing more in the rrat that Elira had power and others were too busy surviving to actually band with her stinky ass

>>69604859
exactly.
Id assume that the sayu issue actually strengthened the cliques internal power by a lot. they pushed it, testing how far they can go, against someone new that didnt have the support within or outside the company at the time. but its one thing to use the same strategy twice, its another to use it against someone that was a pro with a lot of experience and a following outside the company. both at the same time were a massive blunder, because it was just blatantly obvious.

>>69601693
All rrats are true until proven wrong

>>69605044
Ike was one of her closest friends. Not sure whether to believe Vox but they got along well and if we believe him they were friends behind the scenes. That's all the evidence I need, if the clique can convince her friends, they can convince everybody.

>>69604397
I'm vox's own words
>you can always just graduate
Except that's very much so a lie for EN

>>69604567
The source of all this is still a manager who tells the entire NijiEN branch to behave like this. Since Elira and Vox are shadow banned I'm moving back to my rrat about a NijiJP director in charge of EN who has no fucking clue what he is doing. Sure Elira was the contact but not to diminish her crimes as she gained massive favouritism. Thr real culprit still exists and Niji wants you to forget he/ she exists. Fuck they threw 3 of their livers under the bus to hide this person. Riku even apologised to take some of the heat. Whoever this person is has a large connection in Nijisanji that reaches into untouchable internal JP politics. Smells Yakuza generational wealth to me.

>>69605442
Or one of the prodigal JP families that has a weeb son.

>>69605265

Not sure about Vox, he sounds too much in love with himself to be friends with someone who clearly put others before herself
I know that Elira is a complete cunt and the clique chief but because I never experienced cliques in highschool myself that I really have difficulties imagining that she gaslighted people up to that point

If she indeed managed to do that then they're just all complete retards and have no business staying in the industry seeing how they would turn on anyone because of someone who looks like she has been attacked by bees for 2h straight

>>69605316
I mean, he is right. You can always just graduate. If you are willing to wait for a fucking year.

>>69605442
If she's not direct management, why would she have that much opportunities? She's not the only jp bilingual in the branch for all i know

>>69605546
>I never experienced cliques in highschool myself that I really have difficulties imagining that she gaslighted people up to that point

It really is that easy. It doesn't take much at all to turn someone against a particular person if you get to them first and say the right things. This is the foundation of all petty office drama, which is just the "grown up" version of high school drama.

>>69605679
I doubt the chain of command is Riku to Elira. NijiJP has a chain of command that was broken down by Chiyo before I think. That avenue of Nijisanji internal power structure hasn't been discussed enough but the fact the same style of stupidity is happening screams JP banzai mentality to me.
I honestly think once that individual gets publicly named for their disastrous management of NijiEN healing can really begin. That or ultimate destruction of the branch.

>>69605442
>>69605679
Whatever's going on, it's obvious that they haven't figured out how to do this shit right after shuttering multiple mismanaged branches. Either a JP suit is mismanaging the branches or a JP suit keeps giving branches shit managers, either way this is not an isolated incident.

>>69605546
>that I really have difficulties imagining that she gaslighted people up to that point

the worst Ive ever seen is a small group of bad actors convincing someone to slander, cheat on, get violent with and eventually kick out the love of his life after living together for almost a decade. she was homeless twice, dropped to a BMI of 14 and ended up in the ICU followed by getting warded for weeks. ive never ever seen as much pain and regret as Ive seen in the words of those two after everything was said and done.

>>69605679
I don't have that one webm saved but Elira was drunk one stream and suggested fucking one's boss for bonuses. She sounded weirdly genuine.

>>69605679
She bilingual a major advantage when your working with this kind of company, she's also popular. Its not rocket science. She also might be one of the few who just agrees to all of them while the rest is simply more picky.

>>69606012
Seems like we'll be at it again. I'll have to find the lead into NijiJP, their NijiEN intern and possible India to EN managers.

>>69601143
Selen just spamming "nigger nigger nigger" over and over again of course.

>>69606176
Yeah there was a fraternising yab before but with Enna as the focus due to her organising the New Year karaoke/after party with livers + management but she was prob busy shagging Kyo.

>Oboretai comments on a JP video of Selen's drama to give jp listeners more reasons to shit on Nijisanji EN

wtf oboretai is based?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onoLTLEdT98

>>69606176
On topic though what you said was posted recently in the last 12 hours

>>69606176
>>69606457
Yup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cjqd1GZIhjU

>>69606126
>>69605811
I guess I'm too naive or just instinctively isolated myself from clique behavior during highschool and work then

Or Elira is more intelligent than I thought

But like one anon said if she's not the one, that means it's an unnamed manager who keeps fucking everything up on a constant basis and needs to be named, assfucked and forced to do a naked dogeza in front of cameras for all that fiasco to really end properly so that we don't hear anything from niji ever again

>>69600747
>What measures will Nijisanji take
HAH, good one. Nothing will change

>>69606528
It's honestly not surprising how deep the rabbit hole goes anymore. So we can establish JP can't be named due to the level of scandal that fucked up Idol. But because this is NijiJP the main branch will blow up.

>>69604397
>you broke a contract so you should get harassed by your coworkers and publically humiliated
no, look at what happened to Mel
that's what it's supposed to look like

>>69606769
Yes well hololive isnt a black company, so that point is pretty irrelevant

>>69606645
I think it's pretty obvious at this point the branch is rotten to the core. Elira doesn't need to be some master manipulator or even completely evil to be a gaslighting bully.

>>69606769
Even for Rushia they were, at best, cold about her termination, even though the stuff she leaked wasn't internal documents she asked never to be shared, but shit she told dramatubers.
NijiEN actually went out on stream and just shat on Selen, what an awful organization full of awful people.

>that means it's an unnamed manager who keeps fucking everything up

while thats not impossible, the manager would likely be a jap with not exactly stellar english skills, probably using elira to translate, still giving her control of the flow of information within the company. this would also explain why there was no mercy for sayu. She was a threat because she actually is japanese.
I dont think a manager within the company would be as petty as their actions were. I also think its very obvious that the elira favouritism especially with the merchdeals last year, was clearly hurting the bottomline of company income, which would also not be in the interest of like an otherwise uninvolved branchmanager.

>>69606815
So theyre allowed to get away with unprofessional shit

Huh

Maybe thats why selen's lawyering up

takes more than one person to create a toxic environment
luckily they self-reported

>>69607072
>So theyre allowed to get away with unprofessional shit
i wouldnt say its unprofessional cause this shit is rampant in japan and there really isnt much pushback against it. Selen was just smart enough to realize that shit doesnt fly in canada

>>69601770
That is a pretty damning screenshot when you put it like that, nepotism is real. I have personally watched and read several livers complain about a lack of support.

>>69607118
The fact every other branch outside JP keeps failing tells me there is something completely systemically wrong in nijisanji.

>>69607130
Dude the point is it's fucked and theres no excuse to support a system like it

Man, Pomu was too good for them. What a waste of my oshi.

>>69606874
I have a rrat that Elira moved to Japan so she could do more 3d collabs with the jp talents and pander more to the jp audience,
because she knew that growth in en branch is stagnant and its doomed.

>>69604567
>just like Scarle
I think scarle was only fine because of the backlash and the whereisScarle twitter thing. she was clearly unable to access her accounts to the point where she missed two streams and felt the need to go to her mom. Id bet that the clique wouldve had her head on a plate if they could have, but I believe that after Riku had to apologize and realized how bad shit actually is that they dropped all suspensions to stop making it even worse. if we assume LK was telling the truth, that was around the time the internal investigation began and all talents in the branch were gagged on the drama and PR managers entered the scene. Sine then, we can assume Riku and the suits have been in control. the question is how much power the clique still has and how many rrats the JPs find in the wreckage of the ENbranch before the matter is solved internally.

>>69605442
>Since Elira and Vox are shadow banned
I kinda doubt vox is, based on some of his statements, he seems to have been mislead on the details of the document. I dont think he can even read the original since it was in japanese according to Doki. elira might be though.

I would be so angry at management and Elira & co for what they did if I was in NijiEN holy fuck
imagine

>>69607212
The ceo is a 26 year old college dropout. Of course theres something wrong with niji.

>>69607712
imagine the live chats and comment sections. she''ll be bringing a plague upon the main branch if she does that. it would be glorious.

>>69607212
At this point I have to assume that it's just as bad in JP, but the livers put up with it because of Japanese work culture.
I don't just mean that Niji's treatment is more normal, that's part of it but even in Japan a black company is a black company. It's that the society in general looks down on people leaving companies. If the company wasn't obviously mistreating you then others will consider you unreliable, and if you present evidence that they mistreated you then you're disloyal. Either way nobody else wants you and if your fans were fans of the company as a whole they won't touch you. That's why it's so much easier for corporations to get away with this shit.

>>69607712
>because she knew that growth in en branch is stagnant and its doomed.

I thought anycolour started pitching the EN branch as growthpotential to investors a while ago because the stockprice has been stagnating for a while due to the jp market being saturated, Japan entering a recession and the yen dropping against the dollar, and theres also the drop in stockprice last year so they bought stocks back for 2.5billion yen of mainbranch money. So I doubt that was her rationale, but I do think she wanted to rellocate to japan to become official manager for the EN branch and live there. who knows, maybe her outing the clique on stream will kill her as a talent, but maybe her experience, senority and language skills will let her keep her managerposition. Id be surprised if they let her have any autonomy over branchpolicy again though.

>>69600747
The clique wont have any power if other organs wont need to go through one of them to get things approved

All of this smells like NijiJP manager is tight friend with Riku and him x Elira are a thing. Main branch can't separate him. Continues to push these stupid PR stunts to discriminate Doki for some purpose. Maybe he wants legal action to be persude and force the company's hand?

How would JP community react if there was a scandal of a Niji manager x talent?

>>69600747
NijiEN is the clique now. Dissidents have been marginalized or purged. The only opposition are double agents on the way out like Luca.

>>69600879
Alleged Discord leak that sisters refuse to accept despite the fact that it lines up perfectly with what happened, before we knew anything about what was going.

>>69603650
It's really not that weird if we assume they didn't know everything about the situation
>selen starts a lot of projects
>projects often collapse
>she gets into fights with managements over it, it's a PR nightmare and hurts their growth
>getting perms is slow, maybe she's the reason management is so busy, having to deal with her crazy demands like getting perms for songs last minute on christmas

I can definitely see ppl getting mad at her if they thought she was "starting" drama and wasting managements' time when it's already a super scarce ressource they have to fight over

>>69608358
I doubt the decisions came from nijiJP. I doubt very much they thought dokis document (that was an HR complaint) was a lawsuit, thats probably why they resent it to ENbranch to deal with it, but Elira didnt understand what she was reading (or translating) because she has no legal expertise, panicked and therefore dropped the preprepared termination notice, which kicked all of this off.
if this was actually decided by nijiJP, Id be very surprised, because I cant believe a boardroom full of suits in a billiondollar company would be this stupid multiple times in a row, days after they spent 20million USD to buyback stocks to shore up the price.

>>69601693
I assumed it was real the moment the moment both discord leaks showed up.

1. Both sounded extremely plausible.
2. Both statements lined up with each other.
3. Writing style was similar to Selen's.
4. They provided rational explanations when there was none.
5. They had many details that a faker would not add.

The discord leaks also contained information that was later confirmed as true, such as the ex-livers being a problem.

>>69608859
>Selen's handful of project is too much for a 30+ member branch management to handle
LMAO

>>69606874
hell she doesnt even need to be a gaslighting bully, she just has to not stop bad actors like vox, luca, enna and millie.
elira could even be innocent for all we know but her friends are so shitty that shes dragged down by them.

>>69609435
>elira could even be innocent for all we know but her friends are so shitty that shes dragged down by them.
you mean Rosemi

>>69608263
Yeah but the lack of major events for en branch and Riku apologizing for the same in the video makes me think they are not investing back in the en branch, and funnelling the money back into the jp branch.
I mean look ath the stark differences:
En branch has Vox Akuma who does rape asmr and jp branch has kuzuha who just had a solo 3d concert.

>>69600747
>NIJIEN members have asked for my graduation and some wish for me to leave the company as I bring nothing good to the branch
>If I stay, I'll be resented by the majority of the people in the branch
So much for the "she didn't address the bullying publicly before Niji did" argument.

>>69600747
>hiring a bilingual manager
It's not about preventing clique forming it is about not letting the public know about it

>>69605679
She could be in bed with management.

>>69601541
awfully quiet there

>>69609605
>Shared within a discord full of people that presumably should be under a NDA
>Publicly
Choose one

>>69609605
This was a private message, it was the opposite of public.

>>69609435
>elira could even be innocent
if that was true the merchdeals would not look like that. I wouldnt be surprised if the powerdynamic within the clique is more complex than elira having all the power though. maybe enna has been pushing millie and elira to do dumb shit a lot, or maybe one of the boys is actually the overall branchmanager and just has the girlclique in charge of the girlside of things. who knows. the dokithing definitely has female handwriting though, Im pretty sure of that.

>>69609551
>Yeah but the lack of major events for en branch and Riku apologizing for the same in the video makes me think they are not investing back in the en branch, and funnelling the money back into the jp branch.

I completely agree. I thought tho that LK had already confirmed this. the JP branch treats EN as cashcow, thats why any staffhires are paid tokyo minwage and work like parttime or something. the branch makes money, it pays for its expenses and most of the bottomline goes into big nijiJP bankaccount, without anything ever being reinvested into the branch once it reaches JPs coffers.

>>69609605
A leak from a private discord server isn't exactly "public" or "by her"

>>69609605
>Chat with artists who sign NDAs for these projects
>Public
Sisters continue to fail the grasp what the word "public" means

>>69609804
>Mfw this only got out because Niji got the names wrong on the NDA again
>Mfw I have no face

>>69609605
Sisters once again proving how retarded they are.

>>69610217
They were deliberately fucking up the forms so this is poetic justice

>>69610498
So, in other words, it's all Niji's fault again lmao

>>69609918
>>69610217
Im still stuck on the cowpicture. it makes me want to believe the rrats that claimed these leaks were actually posted here by Selen herself, bunch of anons thought that when they were brought up again during LK leak investigations at least, and then mr. man had doki basically confirm theyre genuine without saying it.

>>69610770
Or she saw them then decided to "confirm" them. Or it's just one bigass coincidence. We can only rrationalize I suppose.

>>69610911
>Or it's just one bigass coincidence.
we have literally no idea when it was made, some could of made it last week and they just made it match

>>69611044
It was posted in december anon, warosu remembers all

>>69611127
Do we got a link to that cause it would be nice everytime someone questions when it was made it would be easy to point out

>>69603650
>Full metal jacket scene where fat guy smuggled a donut and the drill sergeant punished the platoon and let the fat guy eat it.
Maybe Selen was tired of getting her projects turned down and management put a stranglehold on everyone else just the same

>>69610770
I don't really think they were her but it doesn't really matter. The whole reason she lawyered up was to make the case that her NDA is void because she's acting as a whistleblower.

>>69607747

> Vox said,"...after having thoroughly reviewed the contents of the document myself..."
Safe to say that if he couldn't read the document he made the blatant fuck up of trusting those who could. I dunno what would be worse. This kind of blind faith, or him being able to read it AND still saying all the things he said.

>>69609605
>publicly

>>69610911
I think mr. man decided to confirm them, but who knows. I doubt its a coincidence though

>>69611044
>>69611255
it was linked multiple times when this was brought out again a few days ago. multiple people said stuff like "selen was telling us but we told her to fuck off with fake bullshit" no idea if it was her in december.
I didnt save the link though anon, sorry.

>>69611619
>The whole reason she lawyered up was to make the case that her NDA is void because she's acting as a whistleblower.
I thought she lawyered up to get out of the contract and to hopefully be able to graduate amicably. I dont think shed have talked if they had agreed to the late January proposal.

>>69611898
I think he got some info from the doc, the being recorded made him mad, but he probably wasnt told that that was only once and that it wasnt relevant at all, doki seemed genuinely surprised EN misunderstood her lawyers doc, and he put in as much showmanship as he could cause he a narc. He probably also thought he had to step up cause of the subcount and that because of his fanbase, hed be relatively unaffected anyway. But yeah, I do think he got played

>>69601273
niji was always at war with niji

In my opinion I do not think it was a form of harassment
- Vox

>>69612594
Vaush Vox collab when?

>>69610770
I doubt it was her desu. There were tons of artists in that discord, and Selen always seemed the kind to internalize blame rather than lash out like that. It's much easier to believe one of the artists leaked it instead.

>>69611255

>>65608889
>>65625101

>>69613101
true, but the theory at the time was that this was right before the first attempt. she was at that point clearly aware that management was fucking her over for kicks, hence her comment about others uploading it. that doesnt prove anything tho, might still have been one of the artists.

>>69600747
>What measures

Easy, they'll burn the entire branch to the fucking ground like they did with IN, KR, and ID, leaving those clique members out in the cold, alone, to answer to the public at large for why they're such shit people.

>>69613460
>It's real
fug

>>69613460
Thanks, been looking for the original leaks.

>>69602977
She knew enough to feel bad about leaving Selen behind. If they had allowed Selen to go on her terms, it would have been around the time Pomu went. They obviously were and likely still are close.

>>69614446
>Pomu was her only friend
>She graduated and abandoned her
Bros...

>>69614858
>inb4 they were planning to graduate together until management fucked Selen over

>>69601078
Now tell me anon, was she wrong

>>69614858
I can't blame Pomu. She couldn't have done much more. They were both fucked over by 'management' during the past year+ - they were in the same boat. Pomu planned her graduation months in advance. Selen must have, too, since that video took a while to concept and produce. Pomu couldn't have cancelled her graduation at the last minute, and even if she could have it wouldn't have done any good. Selen would have told her to gtfo of there anyway. All of that was before Selen's attempts at offing herself.
I do not want to have been in Pomu's shoes. If it was anything like that, it was an impossible situation.

>>69614858
>>69615990
Selen was definitely on the way out and they clearly can't just graduate whenever. Pomu's contract was up for renewal and Selen was just gonna have to ride out a couple months for hers.

>>69602097
>>69602449
>this faggotry
Sayu made falsifiable claims. There are probably legal and contractual reasons why she couldn't publicly divulge the evidence that overdetermines her case when she gave us her side of the story. But her claims are (in principle) testable, so if you think they're wrong, you need to provide falsifying evidence.
>>69601541
>>all she said and and the proof she provided boils down to "trust me pro it's 100% true i didn't do nuffin'
No, sister. It was her management who made unsubstantiated claims in her termination letter. All neutral investigations have uncovered evidence that either makes NijiEN look like hypocrites or just doesn't support their allegations. It's retarded how many of you denigrate her for simply defending herself against their baseless slander.

>>69607133

Yeah, 9/2/2 is pretty conclusive evidence that there's *someone* in power at NijiEN who's in the tank for Elira. Any rrat trying to argue that NijiEN did nothing wrong and Selen is just menhera that doesn't at least attempt to address that should be dismissed automatically.

>>69616769
>NijiEN look like hypocrites or just doesn't support their allegations
It actually shows NijiEN management probably has self important uptight literal autist beancounters in charge. If the rrats that it's run by ESL pajeets or SEA it's probably true.

>>69614858
Pomu debuted first, then Selen 2 months later. So obviously Pomu's contract would be up first, hence why she would graduate first.

>>69617039
Wish I had the image, but there was one from a thread not too long ago that laid up the accusations from her termination letter against the faces of current Livers (e.g., Vox, Enna) who committed the same violations without reprimand.

>>69601152
This aged really well, really quickly

>>69617039
>>69617326
Oh, nevermind. I found it.

>>69617680
Wtf Rion is based? I’ll go jerk off to her more now.

>>69601520
Pomu leaving at all is more of a red flag than any of the hints dropped by reincarnations, weird that people don't talk about that.

>>69618864
She didn't just leave. She cried in a member stream about Niji managers crushing her dreams right in front of her, graduated, made that stream public, and then management privated it.

yeah selen is hotter so I'll trust her

>>69619451
Yeah, I heard about that. I hope someone has saved it.

>>69618864
In general the fact that the three girls in EN who we know have wanted to leave (Nina, Pomu, Selen) are the three most popular girls in NijiEN outside of Elira and her immediate friend circle is a massive flag that there's *someone* in power at NijiEN who's in the tank for Elira and friends, hated Pomu/Nina/Selen (presumably) for being as popular/more popular than them, and acted accordingly to drive them out. Whether that's Elira and friends themselves or someone they have wrapped around their fingers is up for debate, but there's way too much evidence that such a bias exists (see also: 9/2/2) for it to not be at least a little true.

>>69619556
the most broken part was clipped:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67DAc2egFmw

>>69605679
Another big clue is that all the talent that could speak JP, got projects cancelled often and left the company at some point. also the merch deals are the bigger hints of all, merch collaboration that went to people that made no sense.

>>69619556
Of course
https://youtu.be/67DAc2egFmw?si=r9Rwr06-GnWJuYIv
This wasn't her being turned down, THEY asked HER and management gave them a flat "No" without even discussing it.
Timing was right for it to be the MSG collab that Mori ended up getting. I saw an anon claim that Mori said she wasn't their first choice, but I couldn't find that source.

>"More opportunities will come"? I don't think so. Maybe not here unfortunately.
Bastards.

>>69601026
>>69600905
This is from the artists discord that worked on the last cup of coffee MV. Supposedly it was leaked from there, people have said it was doctored but desu it all checks out with what we know now.

>>69601410
This came out before that message.It's from one of the artists that was in the discord set up by Selen to work with all the fan artists on the Last Cup of Coffee MV.

>>69620060
It was leaked before the one they confirmed to be true in the smear stream. There's absolutely no way it's fake. >>69613460

>>69600747
I wouldn't, the only negative thing that they did was not liking Selen, but all the management didn't like her, just like every single person employed by NijiEN.

>>69619912
timing does not line up and the claim is false, Mori never said anything about being second choice, she just warned upfront the songbis a shitpost and tons of people will hate it

>>69601380
The screenshots are taken on different devices sherlock. It's fucking obviously the same font displayed on different devices...

>>69619912
>I saw an anon claim that Mori said she wasn't their first choice, but I couldn't find that source.

I cant tell you where that was, but I did hear mori said she was 3rd choice as well, no idea if that was true though.

>>69601410
the "fake" one was leaked minutes before the other one, in the same thread. theyre both almost certainly real and track with current events. also around the time it showed up again like a weekish ago, doki had the same question mark in new account, and mr.man had her draw a cow as a teambuilding exercise and posted the screenshot, which was almost certainly to confirm that it was real without saying it.

>>69619912
>>69619747
The fuck. That only reinforces my hunch of Selen and her bonding over - among other things - being treated like cattle.

>>69619912
I lost the sauce for it but the more likely-sounding rrat I heard was that it was with an idol group she was Twitter mutuals with and it might have been shot down because the guy running NijiEN at the time also worked with UMG and the idol group was with a rival company.

>>69620362
>timing does not line up
Stream was May 19th, Mori's song was October 20th, 5 months for an MV lines up pretty well my dude.

>>69602241
This is Millie btw

>>69620593
>One of her favorite idol groups is Niji no Conquistador (unrelated to Nijisanji)
>Released cover of one of their songs in February
>Some of the idols notice her, they tweet at each other, and start following each other
>Flash forward a few months
>Probably they/their manager message Pomu for a collab (since they don't know these things have to go through management, unlike Konami who has been business partners with Anycolor for years)
>Pomu presents it to management
>Management shoots it down without being willing to discuss/negotiate
>NijiCon is signed to Pony Canyon, NijiEN Director is actively employed to UMG (yes, his job as NijiEN Director is just a side-gig), probably had a power-trip

>>69620443
>theyre both almost certainly real
The latter one was literally confirmed to be real in the smear stream, pretty much indirectly confirming the former.

>>69620593
>One of her favorite idol groups is Niji no Conquistador (unrelated to Nijisanji)
>Released cover of one of their songs in February
>Some of the idols notice her, they tweet at each other, and start following each other
>Flash forward a few months
>Probably they/their manager message Pomu for a collab (since they don't know these things have to go through management, unlike Konami who has been business partners with Anycolor for years)
>Pomu presents it to management
>Management shoots it down without being willing to discuss/negotiate
>NijiCon is signed to King Records, NijiEN Director is actively employed to UMG (yes, his job as NijiEN Director is just a side-gig), probably had a power-trip
(fixed mistake)

>>69621130
My one problem with this vs. MGS is her saying it was once-in-a-lifetime. MGS x VTubers is a very specific promo that probably isn't going to happen again, but if she's casually chatting with these idols they're not going away.
Not gonna happen at Niji either way, obviously.

>>69621489
>if she's casually chatting with these idols they're not going away.
Pretty sure they either disbanded or her oshi graduated

>>69617680
I don't know how much evidence the sister need to shut the fuck up, but since they just keep moving the goalpost every time they get caught talking nonsense it all goes in circles.
Public already made their mind so it's useless anyways.

>>69619672
>the most successful and adored female livers
>growing fan base
>ambitious big projects
>constant problems organizing those projects
>end up leaving because dissapointment
>or because termination with bullshit rules that applies to some but not others, followed by a slander campaign.
Even 39iq could connect the dots and understand there is something going on.

>>69621623
Seems like a couple of people left this year but the group itself still exists.

>>69600747
The more alarming key word here is "majority".
That means that many people are in the clique or agreed with the clique.
Less than half of the remaining people in NijiEN were or are on Doki's side or neutral to her.

>>69621130
So if this were the case, why couldn’t management say that the collab go through due to legalese bullshit (non-compete clauses, contractual issues, exclusivity clauses, etc)? I mean I get that Japanese bureaucracy is infamously shit but still.

>>69600747
yes, a guy making 8 bucks an hour is gonna solve everything

>>69623836
In fairness, if you are harassing someone like this, your goal is to make them feel like they are alone and everyone agrees with you. It doesn't mean that is reality.

>>69623940
Yea but that's even more speculative. It's best to stick to what she's saying in her statement.

>>69623836
I remember a similar case where a talent got bullied out of a vtuber company years ago. It turned out that the staff member responsible had cut the girl off from the rest of the talents and then convinced her that they all hated her, and vice versa. I could see this being a similar case.

>>69623940
Yeah, I wouldn't put too much stock in "majority"- could be her exaggerating because enough people were saying it that it *felt* like the majority wanted her out, could be the bullies misrepresenting the situation to gaslight her into thinking it was a majority who wanted her gone when it was really just a few assholes, etc.

>gather many organs
>provide no life support
>most will fail, but some will go big out of sheer talent and will
>unsuccessful and bitter 3views bully the actual talent out of the company
>company goes under, 3views become 1views
Why would the successful organs do this to the company? Aren't they NijiFamily?

>>69624019
>>69623836
if clique controls internal information flow or are outright managers with that kind of power, and we know they have no morals based on their posts in january, then its not likely that most people knew what was going on. the clique may be terrible at PR and managing, theyre not bad at controlling the narrative. Id assume that most people would just assume that if they hear sth about someone at work being terrible to work with from multiple people they probably dont instantly conclude that all of them are lying for agenda, especially if one of them is playing the game covertly. we also know that management encouraged livers to police talents as well and tightened grip on all affected livers if one of them disagreed. this plus information control makes isolating individuals and changing their coworkers perception pretty easy, especially if the target doesnt instantly start countermeasures.
I wouldnt assume that people outside the clique really 100% knew what was going on unless they themselves were being strongarmed as well before the news broke, though there is merit to the assumption that clique was flaunting their power internally or at least overstretching, thinking they couldnt be opposed anymore, but who knows.
At this point, its likely Selens assessment of the situation was correct, though Im not sure she realized how much they were lying about stuff to the others.

>>69601770
Why are people surprised that Eliria is getting lots of goods? A lot of these are voice goods and they are an option for every single liver.

>>69600747
hire actual management and pay them enough to have a spine and do their job

also make sure they're female so elira can't suck them off for gibs

>>69623848
That's probably why Pomu was upset about it. They didn't even give a reason for it, just "No".

If there can be malicious cliques in Blizzard then you better fucking bet there can be a clique in a rich boy's company.
Zaion jumped over the EN comms and pissed them off.
Absolutely fire all managerial positions and fire all the talent behind the characters.

>>69603650
The same thing happened to Zaion. It's 100% the clique poisoning the water so that the people they don't like don't have support inside the company and hopefully have more trouble getting support outside the company

>>69624867
Didn't Selen once talk about not being able to do a voice pack because she was given only 24 hours notice about it? It'd be easy enough to create the 9/2/2 situation by rigging the process such that Elira and friends were more in the loop about this stuff than anyone else even if "officially" anyone can opt in to doing them.

>>69627579
Yep.
When did Selen get denied her Apex tournament? When was the Pomu mgs thing?

>>69627579
>she was given only 24 hours notice about it?
On that note let's not forget that the Niji manager gave Kiara the wrong date for Pomu's graduation call-ins.

>>69621130
Also if it was MGS or anything else dealing with someone Niji had any sort of existing relationship with she probably wouldn't have even heard about it in the first place if it was that hard and fast of a no. It being with someone who would reach out to Pomu directly first rather than management makes more sense.

>>69600905
some artist that worked on the mv leakead everybody thought it was fake for a while but it lined up with what happened after the termination

>>69619672
Absolutely this. At this point it's way too much of a pattern. If Selen happened in isolation - even with the weirdo stream Elira did - I would have some uncertainty. Like yeah, maybe they handled it poorly, but maybe Selen really was crazy. But this shit happens too consistently and too frequently.

>>69614446
Fulgur is the last person to harass Selen, he's left the main NijiEN discord for months at a time himself
He's like the last person over 30 left besides maybe vox and even he sounded betrayed as fuck because hes a dumbass.

>>69623836
if her only proof of majority is Elira's word and some other clique orbiters ignoring/ghosting her then it's hard to believe it at face value. But that is enough to give her the impression that everyone is against her.

>>69632159
>clique gaslighting and poisoning the water
>posted a bit before her suicide attempt
>leaked and confirmed civil war inside Niji

Selen definitely posted this in one of her darkest times so I don't think we can take it and say the majority of EN are assholes. The fact that the leaks have described a "civil war" rather than "a few rebels" means we can assume its approx 15vs15. Around 15 people don't hate Selen or at least disapprove of her treatment.

>>69632140
>He's like the last person over 30 left besides maybe vox
my nigger in Christ Vox is like 21

>>69600747
>What measures will Nijisanji take to make sure the clique is gone
lol
lmao

>>69609605
Sisters not beating the being completely retarded allegations

>>69603650
the clique could have lied about the rest agreeing with them.
>tell person a and person b that the other is on your side
>if one asks the other about you they each think they are suspected as a traitor
this falls apart if both parties actually talk to each other which seems to have happened after selen was fired

>>69623940
I know I'm uselessly hopeful, but I find that more believable than having 15 people against her

We already know that EN fucked up the liver's self confidence so it wouldn't be out of reach for Selen to be convinced by Elira or a member of the clique that everyone hated her

>>69606477
PDR, damn, I used to watch him 10 years ago

>>69620593
If it was a group from an rival company then she would expect for it to get rejected.

>>69608859
I'm not necessarily a believer in the clique theory, at least, I don't think its as intense as the rrats would suggest, but even assuming the best case scenario that Selen was just difficult to work with because she wanted to do a lot of projects, the question then just becomes... What the fuck are Niji even spending their resources on?

We know that Holo does events all the time and the livers are constantly saying they have to juggle schedules everyday, with the behind the scenes people toiling in the background as well. Both company are about equal size, so what the fuck is stopping them from just hiring more managers or legal people aside from greed? This whole shit is a problem that they created, and people still try and defend this shit.

>>69604397
>a contract can't be thrown out as unconscionable
Tell that to Uber in Canada
Tell that to STEAM in Australia

>>69601078
>Roaches behave like bugmen
Pottery

>>69635658
>means we can assume its approx 15vs15.
maybe now, but Id be really surprised if it was like that before december. Though I do think youre right that this doesnt allow to judge non-clique members easily. Its one think to avoid joining a clique for grouphazing, its quite another to actively work against them with them in control of the branch and the informationflow to the mainbranch. Its very hard to do anything about this stuff in any meaningful way without breaking contract, NDA or without getting graduated or terminated, at least before it went public, considering clique probably successfully kept all female livers self confidence down, asking to take a stand for a coworker with limited information against multiple people that all have seniority and management or shadowmanagement powers would be equal to martyr for a coworker, losing your community, fans and way to pay your bills for no actual gain for Selen and just tilting the balance within the company further towards clique. What we dont know though is how the males were managed at all, really wonder how that went

>>69601078
>>69601273
>>69601541
>>69601637
>>69601998
>>69602097
As the evidence show the closer the liver to the clique the more nijiniggs their fans behave.
Thus I propose Collab bans to prevent hologirls fanbase to be diluted by nijinigger

>>69642383
If the connection was just with the guy running NijiEN rather than Nijisanji/Anycolor itself she probably wouldn't know and if she did she probably wouldn't think that would be a dealbreaker, because it shouldn't be!