/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>why doesn't she just break the law and get double sued by niji and doki?
retard.

>>69500662
They already broke the law by unsealing the documents and passing them around the group to read.

>>69500676
That was done by Anycolor. Taking it on individually is entirely different.
Also,
>implying the logs aren't incriminating to the clique

>>69500614
Her rep is beyond salvagable, had this stayed just within the Vtuber community it might have been possible to regain some good will and rebuild from absolutely fucking nothing.
She'd have hit the floor harder than Sayu did.

But this went beyond and managed to gain traction in even the normie world and gained attention from the normalfags go-to guy for internet happenings, Charlie.
Her rep is ashes and nobody is willing to participate or work with somebody that his now seen as a vindictive, maniuplative cunt by most of the internet.

>>69500614
>I have never worked a serious job in my life before

>>69500614
In 2 months the black screen stream will be memoryholed.
And she's not getting terminated, where do you guys get these ideas.

>>69500676
Elira received the documents from Anycolor. She didn't break the law.
And she's on JP work visa in Japan, why the fuck would she risk getting a boot out of Japan just to tickle /vt/'s ego?

>>69500614
>breaking NDA and showing full logs as proof?
It's the opposite, Doki is the one that should release the logs, doesn't matter what Elira releases people will always say she cherry picked and the REAL bullying was on another castle, it's effectively impossible for her to prove her innocence without Doki releasing her side first, that's why this is so unfair to Elira regardless if she did it or not.

>>69500855
If she did do it, there is nothing unfair, and she deserves much worse.

>>69500855
Yeah Dookie can just coast on bullshit and say she tried to kill herself for the 10th time and made her entire family cry.

>>69500855
>Doki is the one that should release the logs
Why? From her end, the issue is settled. She got the separation from Anycolor, and she is thriving. That NijiEN imploded in the process (self-inflicted) is just a cherry on top.

>>69500797
Sayu wasn't succesfully memoryhole'd. This incident had it brought back up, people giving sayu more pity than she ever got before. The only way they escape this now is not having anything slightly terribly occur.

>>69500905
Still unfair because she cannot defend herself, ever murderers can defend themselves, and what if she is innocent? how is she getting compensated for that?

>>69500855
Doki is winning already. And she is winning hard. There is literally 0 reason for her to go back down to niji level and wrestle in the mud. So Doki should really not release anything and just leave it to the lawyers if anything is happening or should happen.
Elira at this point? The only thing she can do, is pick up the pieces and move on. She tried flinging shit, but got the smell on her now.
So as far as future moves goes? The only thing I would do is maybe do some donation drive or good cause stream where I would get money for victims of harassment or some BS like that, just to be seen as apologetic. Since even if she did not partake, she was part of the problem by letting it get that bad.

>>69500662
>>69500756
It's called the price of business. At worst she'll have to pay a fin, but there's no way she'll face jailtime for this bullshit. Her NDA is at most her name and twitter handle, there isn't must "financial damages" she can cost the company with a disclosure like this. Doing this will salvage her career (to a degree), which is cheaper than taking the fall. If I were her (and not guilty) I'd have broken NDA by now.
>>69500729
Normies don't know what her voice sounds like and they'll forget her name in a week. if she redebuts she'll be recognizable only to people that followed her before.
>>69500614
Usually I tell people to pump the breaks with the hate, but there is a non-0% that she's guilty of something.

>>69500944
>Sayu wasn't succesfully memoryhole'd.
Not here. But for Nijifans, it's as if she never existed.

>>69501025
Her "defense" was the 15 minutes hate. And all that happened was she implicated the clique.

>>69501025
That's the problem, they didn't defend themselves, they shown effectively nothing(1 screenshot that justifies termination) if the whole video was about just this 1 problem then it would be kinda excusable, but they address EVERYTHING without backing it up. This was a character assassination without any facts presented.

>>69501079
>Reasonable point
Fair play. I won't disagree with this, for I never considered myself a major nijifan.

>>69501123
>15 minutes hate.
How do you know this, that could also be all true, or your position is that what they said was impossible to be true? what else could she say that you wouldn't think it was "implicating the clique".

>>69501039
>Normies don't know what her voice sounds like and they'll forget her name in a week. if she redebuts she'll be recognizable only to people that followed her before.
It doesn't matter if some people don't recognize her themselves, the people who do recognize her would start spreading the word immediately and almost everybody would know who she was and what she did within days. Plenty of smaller vtubers (and even people from outside of vtubing) have tried to hide from their shameful pasts by reincarnating only for it to completely fail, and Elira is not only a lot more likely to be recognized than they are but also potentially did far worse things than most of them ever did.

>>69501208
> they didn't defend themselves
They did, they say her accusations are not true and that she was fired for legitimate reasons.
What else they could do? Doki didn't show anything other than word of mouth allegations to the public, how can they ever defend themselves without showing what they were attacked for? it's all Doki word of mouth vs Elira word of mouth, both have the same weight if you want to be fair.

>>69500936
>he thinks the menhera gamer would quit the suicide championships just because she lost once
Doki loses at death, still wins at life.

>>69501281
Uhhh literally anything other than what she or le retard de Vox Akuma said. It was obvious with their "I'm afraid of getting doxxed", categorical rejection of Doki's grievances, and overlap of Doki's stream that their intention was to incite the fanbase. We know they're all terminally /here/, so if that comms person analysis of the response is accurate, and they were just trying to get ahead of the bomb that might have dropped, someone should have raised an objection that the statements they were making were way off the mark of what was appropriate w.r.t. public sentiment. Unless, you know, they were actually harassing Doki.

>>69500614
Breaking an NDA as the recipient is the worst thing you can do....ever. It is being blacklisted from any related company and a 1+million dollar fine knowing niji.

Niji can pay a multimillion dollar fine and release what they want , your average person cannot.

>>69501387
Well if she's innocent those channels will be the first to milk it for drama, so they won't go back to blaming her. If she's innocent.

>>69500614
>why doesn't she try to salvage it by breaking NDA and showing full logs as proof?
because the logs actually show her being a toxic bitch and exposes her for telling Selen to kys. she doesn't behave like someone who's completely innocent

>>69501403
Complete misread of what the issue is. No one thinks she didn't go rogue when she told her fans to re-upload the cover. Punishment is expected in that case. The misstep was the attempt at character assassination with the termination notice. That was in excess of disobeying management on a cover. The optics is like dropping a MOAB on a jaywalker.

>>69500614
Elira is a 500k sub vtuber and the majority of her viewers probably don't give a single damn about this yab.
The idea that she (or any nijiEN) has crashed to the point where she is a 2view is just delusional.

>>69501650
most of her subs are inactive because she's been gathering them for years.
Compare that to someone like Doki, most of her subs are active because she gathered them over the past 2 weeks

>>69501281
>what else could she say that you wouldn't think it was "implicating the clique"
How about something other than explicitly confirming that herself, Enna and Millie are have their names and details in Doki's documents on the situation? Neither Doki herself nor Anycolor had made that information public so there was absolutely no good reason for her to bring it up, but she did it anyway.

>>69501403
>word of mouth

>>69501686
Most of Dokis subs are dramafag tourists who will unsub once they realize they're not interested in vtubers and only did it because Asmongold or some other leech told them to.

Serious question, if she loses her job, what are the chances Elira does JAV?

>>69501650
No one says that she'll literally go back to being 2view. But what would happen is that she'll always have haters breathing on her neck for this very huge fuckup. Kinda like what happened with Sayu for months except the cause for sayu is different and whack.
The question is, will she get a redemption arc like Sayu? Most likely not if the clique is true.

>>69501856
I asked a friend about this while he lived in Japan, and I think most (if not all) visas don't allow legal sex work like JAVs.

think NDF what will you even have after 2 weeks

theres no salvaging this you dont have the backing of pomudachis or dragoons the strongest communities in NijiEN as your clique pushed their oshis out of your company

>>69501025
Karma is a bitch. Still, if she was somehow forced to do the black frame stream she should have the chance of defending herself. No one deserves the internet mob going after you.
t.Sayufag.

I just want an embezzlement accusations investigation (outside of Nijisanji's investigation ofc)

>>69501500
>literally anything
can't say a single thing, I see. by your answer they should have said nothing, true but saying nothing being the best path means they cannot defend themselves.

>>69501281
Anon, the question to your answer is basically what anycolor did in the termination. If they did nit mention that other livers are involved in the harassment claim or just did not state it, we wouldn't be here.
If Elira did not mention Millie and Enna's names, which fucking mind you, are already fucking on suspicion, then none of this implication of the clique would happen.

>>69501980
I don't think a 500k vtuber would quit vtubing just cos of some haters. That's a level of success you can't buy unless ur a literal holo debutant and female. In this line of work u have to have a thick skin. You'll never satisfy everyone, if u have haters ur worth hating rather than being ignored.
She won't be making any drastic radical action when she's already a successful vtuber.

>>69502110
they had to defend themselves from a complaint that wasn't public? lol

>>69502110
Why would they have needed to defend themselves? They weren't remotely under attack. Well, at least until they outed themselves. Enna and Millie were the prime suspects by far, so THOSE two coming forward would have made sense.

>>69501602
That's not even the complete argument, firing her from whatever were justifications, the accusation and denial here is the bullying allegations that were so severe that led Doki to attempt suicide, this is the part with 0 evidence.

>>69502110
Not what I said, but saying nothing would have, in fact, been less damaging than what they did say, especially with Riku's deep bow and apology a couple hours later. Honestly, if they had simply apologized for the unfortunate circumstances (and not done it in the same time slot as Doki), they'd already be streaming again. There's no "winning" by the time the black screen stream happened, just mitigating damage. Doubling down was the worst possible move, and it gets memed on because it was so incredibly retarded that no honest person would have done it.

>>69502110
They could have done what Riku did and say sorry for the misunderstanding, wish Selen the best and promise to keep protecting their livers. Instead they chose to publicly throw Selen under the bus in one of the most retarded PR moves I have ever seen.

>>69500614
>why doesn't she try to salvage it
lol
lmao
Saying nothing is what she should have done the whole time, why the fuck would you think that has changed?

>>69501720
Say something rather than "anything but what they said" if it's so easy.

>>69502272
Again, that's not a defense what Riku said was the best case: Don't say shit.
That means there is 0 defense available just like I said.

>>69500614
Elira is, for better or worse, stuck in Nijisanji and their reputation is now tied to her's, just like it is tied with Enna's, Millie's and Luca's.

>>69500614
>why doesn't she try to salvage it by breaking NDA and showing full logs

This will make her legal standing even worse. And it will out what she did, neither options is something she wants. She fucked up bad, and management will hold it over her head forever.

>>69502313
I don't get what you're trying to ask. What happened to her was entirely self-inflicted. What is she trying to "defend" against?

Elira has no real options other than to throw her lot behind nijiEN where she is a 500k vtuber and has seniority.
She would make a useful minion for the evil nijiEN empire /s. Seriously, if you were managing nijiEN, Elira is going to be your most loyal chuuba. She has to make this work.

>>69500662
The punishment for breaking NDA might cost her a few hundred thousand, not speaking out is going to cost her any future career

>>69502313
There's 0 defense available because they didn't have any grounds to defend themselves. If anything, Anycolor should have been the ones to publicly apologize for how the termination announcement was worded, and reach a settlement with Doki in private.

>>69501650
What nijiens has streamed since the yab?
What has their ccv been like compared to beforehand?
Corollary: were they involved with the yab themselves? (Retweeting elira's ONLYBLACK video statement or suspected of being party to Selen's harassment.)

>>69500676
She didn't sign the confidentiality agreement, so she is not legally culpable for the breach.
She cannot be sued for the receipt of the documents, only for their dissemination. She didn't incriminate herself on that front, Vox did.

She can, however, be sued by Anycolor Incorporated for breach of non-disclosure agreements, libelous harassment, dissemination of sensitive material, breach of contractual stipulations, and defamation with intent.

They'd be able to completely destroy her.

>>69502275
it was easy to not schedule a stream backstabbing doki and incriminating themselves at the same time as her first gaming stream yes

>>69502418
You're just looking for embers to fan the flames. The best move for nijiEN and Elira is simply to wait for the next outrage to gain attention.
Advising her to break NDA has no real benefit to her and only penalties. It has benefit to dramafags tho like you.

>>69502241
>imagine hiring an actual lawyer over workplace harassment with 0 evidence
>what is not wanting to show personal harassment in the workplace to a bunch of internet randos that have completely nothing to do it with
>posting it on twitter for all to see would start an even bigger shitstorm and make it retarded high school drama instead of settling it like adults in private
why are you so entitled anon

>>69502464
Some other drama distracting people isnt going to do anything to repair their or her reputation which is completely in the shitter

>>69501810
>800 000 subs to the liver with most CCV views of any woman in NijiEN
>Most of Dokis subs are dramafag tourists

Verification not required.

>>69500614
She literally have worse reputation than Sio

>>69502471
Retarded zoomers are so used to beefs taking place in public they don't know most dealings like this are done in private.

>>69501856
I can't imagine anyone would want to see Elira appearing in JAV, apart from a VERY niche audience.

>>69502554
If Sio continued streaming i'd watch and I wouldn't care what dramafags said. I put it to you Elira would be fine in viewership and as a vtuber. She doesn't need you.

What's hilarious about all this, Dokibird most likely already settled with Anycolor Inc. Her last statement implied it to be the case, reading between the lines.
They probably had her sign a new non-disclosure and put out a statement about "miscommunication" and putting it all behind us in exchange for a lump sum that's probably in the high 6 digits.

if selens claims were false they wouldve shown the examples she showed but since the examples she showed were questionable at best for them, they didnt show them. So its either borderline harassment or harassment which does not shine a good light on them.
And since they started showing data and revealing stuff which doki tried to keep private, it doesnt really matter if they reveal more but they wont because its clear that they did harass selen and other livers.
not to mention that revealing this information in the first place is already workplace harassment. they knew that by revealing this information livers in nijisanji would be harassed and doki would be harassed, yet they decided to do it anyways, most likely to bully doki into real suicide.

>>69501650
>500k sub vtuber
Nice joke sis

... They can't wait for another drama.
>Every graduation from now on will remind everyone the absolute shit show of Selen's termination
>The dramatubers teasing a huge and juicy scoop for april

>>69500614
That sounds like what Rushia did, and I don't think that turned well

I wouldn't be surprised if Anycolor just gives her the banishment room treatment before getting Yugo'd. At minimum, her income is certainly going get shot because Niji interns browse this place and will deny her sponsorships to try to counter the favoritism allegations.

>when your strongest internet clout ally is 39daph youve already lost

im suprised they havent contacted hassan or vaush to defend them yet

>>69502464
You retards do not seem to understand this isn't going away. This is a PR nightmare. The type that literal law students study and that every Youtuber will make documentaries of.
Sayu wasn't memory-holed. This whole situation perpetuates Nijisanji being a black company and added a bunch of credibility to it. Sorry to say this isn't going away until NijiEN does, Elirafags. And even that is being hopeful.

>>69502654
We're in 7th trumpet and its unsustainable with new drama to feed the flames. It is going away. That's how drama has always been.

>>69502589
Sio's been back for a while, anon.
https://twitter.com/yue_fsp

>>69502601
I don't think they settled. If they did, the black vox video and termination notices would be removed.

Hope you're learning from this thread niji intern

Sometimes keeping things private gets you further than whatever the fuck your pr moves were

>>69502647
I swear from every attempt they try to defend themselves it somehow digs a deeper hole for them. If its like this might as well not do anything kekw

>>69502654
The nijis who have started streaming again are back to their usual CCVs. It's more or less already over. NijiEN will probably never reach anything beyond barely 4-view at this point, but it's not in a death spiral anymore, either.

>>69502692
Thx anon i'll sub.

>>69502688
It's not.
Every time someone graduates or is terminated, this will be brought up. Every time perms autism is a thing, it will be brought up.
This very thing is unironically what NijiEN and Elira will be remembered by.

Doubling down on breaking the law always works well.

>>69500614
>why doesn't she just admit everything
Because she is a petty bitch that would kill someones career just because she is better than her

>>69501650
>Elira is a 500k sub vtuber
uhm check again anon

>>69502217
The entire situation has basically been Niji, their livers and the NDF trying to put out a fire that they started by repeatedly throwing gasoline on it while Doki uses it to toast marshmallows.

>>69502701
No, they will absolutely never remove the stream because that would be an admission of guilt and the internet would go berserk.

They settled, and they have plausible deniability about the whole situation. They instructed the talents to shut their mouths, and according to what LK said, they even had PR managers coach them and tutor them about how to deal with the situation as well as similar situations. Maybe it's too little too late, but they are finally taking steps into making this clique sorority house into a real branch.

>>69500614
You are so fucking retarded that nijisanji would actually hire you to do their legal stuff

>>69501650
Elira was barely able to manage middling 4view status, and her revenue was literally half that of Selen's.

She was never popular. The reason she is the "face" of NijisanjiEN and got so many promos and sponsorships is because she quite literally "shadow" management.

>>69501281
Anon so what if it's true? That Selen has a recording of Vox? Why do you think the only way to defend themselves there was to shit on Selen for 15 minutes?
They literally did their usual "Please don't hate us! It's Selen that is a scumbag!" because it worked with Zaion

>>69502974
>solar dragon
>shadow management
she's the yang to her own yin

>>69500836
Can she cancel her work visa and flee back to Canada before Riku's yakuza get her?

>>69502275
Alright, let me give it a try.

>Concerning the matter of Selen's termination.
>On behalf of Nijisanji EN's branch, we sincerely apologize for the uncertainty and doubt that you may have experienced over the past few days.
>Everyone has seen the statements put out. We understand the anger felt at what would seem to be thoughtless and cold words detailing the situation as perceived by management at the time. The notice was released with undue haste, and undoubtedly could have been worded much better.
>As per the statement put out on Selen's termination, we are very aware that she may have felt that the actions and words of some branchmates, delivered without ample consideration or regard, may have exacerbated the difficulties she went through. As part of Nijisanji EN, we feel we all share some responsibility in this matter. There is no running from this.
>It is clear that whatever we felt, or knew, at the time, we overlooked the extent of Selen's struggles and failed to provide the support she needed. Our collective failure to act with sufficient foresight and sensitivity only compounded the challenges she faced, and for this, we are truly sorry.
>We assure you that management is at this time contacting Selen's legal counsel to reach an amicable mutual resolution regarding this situation. We will do all we can to remedy the misunderstandings that have transpired.
>Once again, we apologize for any distress caused and assure you that we are, as a branch - both management and us - taking steps to address the underlying issues and improve practices to prevent similar situations from occurring in the future. This has been a sobering experience for all of us. Thank you for your understanding and patience as we strive to do better.

There are shitloads of ways to write weaselly PR apologies saying fuck-all while insinuating you are in the right. You need to understand when you've lost the battle and withdraw with minimal losses. People who want to cope will cope. People who already hated you will not. It's not rocket science. A lot of it is boilerplate shit.

>>69500614
Only way it can be salvaged (even then not fully) is if it comes out that elira was forces to do the fucking stream by the company. NOTHING ELSE will suffice (evne if she expose selen like crazy lying menhera it is not an excuse for a hit piece harassment stream she organized)

>>69500614
Because the logs they can show could easily be intepreted as bullying.

If she actually had nothing they wouldn't all be shitting their pants trying to discredit her before she says anything

>>69502746
It's been less than a week, Anon. Why are nijisisters so chronologically impaired?

>>69500797
This will be the only thing people remember Elira for. She'd be better off with a new character at this point

>>69502886
I don't know how could Doki and Anycolor settle without the stream and notices being removed. Doki surely wants them removed so she can finally move on with her life. Anycolor SHOULD want them removed too, as they are a constant reminder about the whole sordid affair, it's an open wound, they can't just ignore it.

>>69501403
>What else they could do?

They could have kept their fucking mouths shut and looked like professionals, instead of the cartoon villains they made themselves out to be instead. This will follow them for a long time. I wonder how many people have kept their memberships just to shit on Elira on her first stream back, if there ever is one.

>>69502654
Without a mass graduation, NijiEN will stay around. Their fanbase has shrunk, but the sisters remain loyal to the company.

>>69503315
Doki has already moved on.

>>69503315
A 500000 USD lump sum payment.

Anycolor do not want them removed, they want the whole ordeal memoryholed. The damage is done, the internet will always "know" that this ordeal transpired. Anycolor does not want to rekindle speculation, conspiracy, controversy, and animus. Deleting the stream and statements would bring us back to step one.

>>69503315
Immersing yourself in drama has made you unable to view things from any other perspective.

It'll take a while for the memory hole to start doing its job.

I'm looking forward to the #WhereIsElira tag popping up in a week or two.

>>69500614
she probably can't cause she's in japan rn. wait until she comes back in canada

She doesn't really have to do anything other than go back to stabbing and ignoring comments on the matter. Id still watch her because I honestly care nothing about what happens being the scenes. They are all actors playing a character, bring back my character.

>>69503315
They can't remove the video even if they wanted to. The best thing to do now is leave it

>>69501403
>they say her accusations are not true
lmao dumbass what accusations?
there were no real accusations from doki
if retarded niji management was able to write a proper termination notice instead of hit piece none of this would happen

>>69503152
No, you are never supposed to offer apologies without qualifiers. You always need to preface and frame statements like this.
Anycolor already has an out, but their PR team is evidently run by chimpanzees on ritalin. They can very easily lean on the "miscommunication" and "mistranslation" angles, effectively allowing themselves an out, while also maintaining plausible deniability on the fronts of malicious harassment, opaque management practices, and structural culpability.
If they allow themselves to appear incompetent, by asserting the ordeal to have been a misunderstanding, they will indubitably gain pity, contempt, and apprehension, but not animus and ire.


Ergo, the best was to apologize is by prefacing and framing it as a misunderstanding. They would have been able to solve everything if they had initiated the exchange, but it's too late for that. This is their second-best option.

>>69503613
> I honestly care nothing about what happens being the scenes. They are all actors playing a character, bring back my character.
Actually based

>>69502886
Not admitting guilt doesn't mean they're not guilty. The shitty video won't stop being shitty just because they privately settled the case.

>>69502647
>hassan or vaush
why the fuck would they defend a shitty fucking corporation lol?

>>69503728
You can call me a sister but I think a lot of people overestimate the importance of this yab. Many have emotional baggage from past nijiEN black company stuff and are hoping to use this as a proxy battle or think this is some hail mary that will sink the yacht. Its not. The people who really care about this are an absolute minority. There are moderate group that are outraged but don't have the emotional stake in this and will move to the next yab. The dramafags are stirring stuff up and fanning outrage but there are just not enough actual new stuff to keep the fire burning.
That's probably why dramafags are encouraging radical action from nijiEN by overstating the damage done. In all probability, without new outrage, this will die in (two weeks) and we'll move on to insulting rushiafags like me for being cucks again.

>>69500662
fpbp

>>69503875
39daph is the same circle and she did. They're hypocritical retards.

>>69503900
>minority
>-350k subs in 7 days
>trust permanently broken
lmao ok

>>69503900
>That's probably why dramafags are encouraging radical action
Including ones in this very thread

>>69503368
It may appear so to you, but who knows if she actually moved on or if she's just putting a brave face for her viewers. I would certainly not be calm and content knowing that a high-profile slander against me by my previous employer still exists.

>>69504079
>don’t believe what she literally says, believe my own schizo interpretation
nah

>>69503900
GrimmiVT and Clauvio confirmed they were supposed to join the next wave but fucked off last minute

>>69503900
Ok sister

>>69504105
Your information is out of date
https://x.com/grimmivt/status/1758712429184430525
And Clauvio hasn’t said shit

>>69504177
Talked to her on stream ( in chat) how she felt bad that they couldnt be in nijisanji together lmao
You lost

>>69500614
I know you nijisisters are retarded but holyshit mane!

All she needs to do is a naked dogeza. And to shut the fuck up. Her reputation is in tatters but if she keeps her dumb fuck head down until it blows over she can rebuild with whatever scraps on an audience she has left.

>>69504079
>Didn’t want to make this public originally
>Didnt release name because she didn’t want to make it more messy
>Wasnt going to speak out about anything as an indie until Niji tried to assassinate her character
Yeah you’re right her actions don’t line up with someone who just wants to move on

>>69504256
Sounds like its written by the opposing faction to a nijisister. Do we have a name for them?

>>69501501
this reads like a leftist meme holy fuck.

>>69500614
Eli Rape Endora

>>69504241
Proof? There’s Grimmi’s tweet right there. Don’t tell me you got fooled by a joke

>>69504011
there's zero chance hasan will defend a japanese vtuber corpo known for shitty working conditions

>>69500614
Elira should invite Finana, Reimu, Millie and Enna and they all should read the sisters document, live. The collab to end all collabs.

>>69504360
just like the left the sisters cant meme

Unironically NijiEN should bribe selen to do a colab with the mean girls cliche to show that there are no hard feelings. It'll boost their rep too.

>>69504274
fix your esl anon.

Realistically speaking, the only way Elira can salvage her career in any way is if she makes an attempt on herself, followed by rerouting all blame towards Nijisanji. She will garner sympathy, she has a believable motivation, and will end up in a position where people will stop shitting on her because it will be morally incorrect.

We all should do the right thing and politely ask her to kill herself, it's the only way.

>>69506157
Your dramabaiting attempts to keep this yab alive won't work. Its literally on life support already and there's nothing u can do about it.

>>69504304
dramabirds

>>69506270
I'm using this from now on. Nijisisters vs Dramabirds.

>>69506296
But where does that leave the Lawtards?

>>69506270
Bit weird considering Doki and the people who actually watch her are the ones who want to move on. Look at /HAHA/, it's trying to stay away from the bullshit, they were also pretty annoyed about the lawyer streams for that reason.

>Nijisisters vs Dramabirds
>The Movie

>>69506369
After those lawyer streams i don't think anybody is still unironically thirsting for a lawsuit. It's clear that a court battle isn't worth anyone's time at this point.

>>69504433
nta
She told the fucktards in nijisanji to hang themselves

>>69506837
Someone will claim yagoo was the shadow mastermind.

>>69506780
I'm not talking about dragoons though? Dramabirds are the ones pretending to be her fans and fighting for her side to shitpost

>>69503218
There is one other scenario that could salvage it:
1) Graduate ASAP
2) Issue a public apology to Doki (disclosure of what lead to the insane slander stream would be even better, but realistically will never happen)
3) Doki extends some sort of olive branch showing she accepts the apology.
But viability of that route depends on both Elira not being part of the problem behind the scenes, and Doki being willing to forgive the stream.

>>69507086
You're looking at it only from the desire for more drama you cheeky dramabird. That course of action is not in the interests of Elira or nijiEN.

>>69500662
>>69502418
>get sued
>use money and buy gold illegally
>declare bankruptcy
>slowly use gold to live
>cry on the internet about abuse
Literally idiot-proof plan. Save your face, save your money, save your career

>>69506883
I was there for this, it's in Clauvio's return stream. Very start. A second later she starts saying it's a joke. It was on lig at some point too with everyone saying it would get picked up by someone. Can't believe it actually got ratted

>>69504861
anon, they weren't paying her when she was an employee of the company
what makes you think they'd be willing to pay her fee? just to a collab with a no-name indie?

>>69509291
cos its unironically a plan that everyone actually benefits from. Those are the plans that might actually work.

>>69503636
>there were no real accusations from doki
You're just a retard arguing in bad faith then.

>>69509485
It's true though, Doki hasn't made any public accusations. All we have is Nijisanji publicly claiming that she made private accusations against them, which they decided to air out publicly because reasons.

>>69500614
fagelira are cucks and won't leave her that easily. She can probably be a 1.5k streamer if she comes back and ignores the drama or just says "this matter is being handled by management privately and I won't address it anymore"

>>69500614
>full logs
I hate scatfags so fucking much

>>69509667
carlos....

>>69500936
Is this the new sisters discord strategy? Using dookie and menhera so u dont friendly fire on here? Nice try.

>>69509648
>she made private accusations against them
So she did accuse them, why the hell would you deny that.
These are completely different claims.
>there were no real accusations from doki
>the accusations were private
What is at stake here is if she was bullied or not, all this private or not private shit is whole other matter, if niji was condemned for exposing private matters, ok that's fair but they are being condemned as doing bullying to her to the point of suicide and tis is the point not substantiated in the slightest.

>Biggest rrat spreader on X got banned
The NDF won

>>69500855
Doki will never release shit because it shows she was a perpetrator as much as a victim.

>>69511598
Not really, it only shows that she doesn't need to. She has the upper hand against Nijisanji.

>>69500614
I would like an arc where she betrays the company and makes out with sister

that one ex-corpo SEA girl who doxxed all the other girls in the corpo is still around as a 3view iirc
So yeah Elira will be fine.
There's a lot of demand for evil chuubas that no one is filling.

>>69512498
makes up, I mean makes up with her sister, that would be wholesome

>>69500614
too bad fagelira bitch is guilty af

>>69509666
That could be possible Satan, but it’s also just as likely that dips to 3 view status like Finana and the majority of her followers are just dead subs.

The opinion of western internet nobodies does not matter to japanese courts. If Riku decides to sue Selen for damages and slander he will likely win.

>>69504575
you would be surprised

Niji fans are a dying breed in the west. They should go all in and suck CCP penis that’s their only viable strategy for growth lol

>>69512826
this, he's never been consistent in his life, no reason he'd start now

>>69512804
Please, PLEASE do sue Doki and make it very public. Please. I'm begging you.

>>69512498
>>69512567
>I mean makes up
Of course you did anon...

>>69512804
This situation has become a bit more complex due to debate over which international laws would be more important than others, and that’s not even getting into the fact that online lawyers are throwing their hats into the ring and not letting the drama die down either.
Considering that Nijisanji’s CEO and Selen seemed to be on friendly terms for the entire duration of when she was employed, and considering how investors are probably hounding Riku over how he’ll address the growing liability that is NijiEN, it’s more than likely that we’ll see the two parties settle things amicably out of court, assuming we’ll even hear about that. The CEO’s word is law after all, and NijiEN just demonstrated that they can no longer make decisions for themselves.

So how exactly was Selen bullied again? I don't think I have seen any specific example of how she got bullied yet. She just asked everyone to listen and believe her.

>>69501650
>Elira is a 500k sub vtuber

Can we just appreciate the subtlety of this post

>>69513524
>So how exactly was Selen bullied again? I don't think I have seen any specific example of how she got bullied yet. She just asked everyone to listen and believe her.

She never even said she was bullied in the first place! Nijisanji said it in their press release, she just said she was mistreated by management, she's never alluded to anything of the sort. NijiEN literally just blurted it out.

>>69502246
Anon, it was a couple of minutes later, not hours. That's why the whiplash was so massive since the tone of Riku's statement was understood as aiming to unload the tension... minutes after the EN branch dug their trenches.

>>69513524
I can excuse you for not knowing about what goes behind the scenes, and might even let it pass that you don't believe the basically confirmed rrat that they created a bogus rule just to block her MV from being released.

You have ZERO excuses for not seeing that 15 min clip being released at the same time as her first scheduled neopets stream as anything other than harassment, though.

>>69502692
Nice, thank you anon. I missed her fat ass.

>>69513524
>She just asked everyone to listen and believe her.
Do your reps and figure out where the claim of bullying originally came from and who decided to bring it to light when it should've been a private matter

from the lawyer today:
vtubers with criminal lore like holoAdvent have additional law protection because it's not clear if possible accusations are related to the character or the pilot of the character, unless it's very specific, particular accusations.
This is due to jp law being fucky regarding the vtuber/pilot duality.

>>69502692
Is that really HER? I thought Japs were determined to chase her to the ends of the earth.

>>69513728
>>69513769
Cool thanks. So how was she bullied again?

>>69514874
>So how was she bullied again?

Nobody knows because 1. Doki didn't want to tell anyone and wanted to keep that information to her HR dispute 2. Nijisanji are the ones who told us there was even bullying in the first place, and other than throwing their livers under the bus did not elaborate

>>69500676
That's the neat part of the law, if Doki doesn't sue (which she probably won't) then it doesn't matter that Elira did something illegal. Meanwhile if she beaks NDA then Nijisanji WILL sue her for it because it's bound to damage their reputation.
She's stuck between a rock and a hard place, there's basically nothing she can do to redeem her reputation.
>>69500797
That stream is the most viewed vod on her channel by a wide margin, you can't memoryhole that.

>>69515724
So people are out for blood because she got bullied but nobody knows what that even means?

>>69503403
>A 500000 USD lump sum payment.
That's wrong. Legal Mindset doesn't know Canadian law. The other lawyer cleared it up and it's up to 20000 CANADIAN dollars.

>>69507170
Are you fucking retarded? The whole disaster that Niji and Elira is in is because they shat all over Selen/Doki in the most cruel way possible and everyone called them out on that. The one thing that would put out the fire faster than anything else is a reconciliation between Nijisanji and Doki, showing definitively that there is no more reason for resentment. Anything less doesn't address the original problem or what was done wrong in the first place.

No, the feeble primitive mind of a nijisister only sees things in a tribal way, "us vs them" "reeeee dramabirds reeeeee". It's this caveman retard thinking that led to this problem, Niji thinking Doki was trying to sue when she wanted to quit. The problem will never go away so long as dumbasses like you have this mentality.

>>69501856
She looks like a crushed tomato outside her 2D. JAV don't even what that.

>>69514336
If "I'm just acting bro" holds up in Japan then they deserve everything bad happening to them

>>69513524
This is not the sticking point you think it is. She did not "asked everyone to listen and believe her", she only mentioned it because Nijisanji brought it up first to explain why she tried to kill herself. She's not trying to fight against Niji or claim damages, she wants to move on with her life now that she's gone back to streaming. Nijisanji brought the bullying up first and at this point it seems like THEY are the ones who made it up by putting words in her mouth.

Even if Selen completely lied and made up the harassment claims, that still does not justify the public shit-flinging Niji and Elira has done. There's a thing called "professionalism", and Nijisanji have demonstrated a lack of this long before the Selen situation. Niji would still have a lot to answer for even if Dokibird were the scam artist nijisisters are saying she is.

>>69514874
>>69516043
Okay, Selen never got bullied. So what the fuck was Nijisanji making a huge deal about in the termination letter? What justified the 15 minute slander video?

If she didn't get bullied before, she sure as hell got publicly bullird after she got fired. Fuck's sake they timed their hit-piece to the minute when Doki started streaming.

>>69508068
>Get caught doing any of the many illegal things you need to do here
Yeah, literally foolproof

>>69516043
>So people are out for blood because she got bullied but nobody knows what that even means?

Do you understand now why Doki didn't want to tell people she got bullied? There's a reason she kept this shit private instead of putting management on blast on social media.

>>69517064
And you're implying that abandoning her senior vtuber account in nijiEN and begging for the approval of doki is going to help her somehow?
What is this disaster anyone? Its a bunch of dramabirds trying to stir shyt up and hoping to get something to keep the yab alive.
There is no world where leaving nijiEN is the best option for Elira.
Elira benefits most staying in NijiEN and waiting for the yab to blow over.
NijiEN benefits most from waiting for the yab to blow over.
Doki benefits most from waiting for the yab to blow over.
Only dramabirds benefit from trying to keep this alive.
Neither NijiEN nor Elira require Doki's approval or forgiveness in any way.

>>69517958
*hits* I'm not hitting you
*hits* IM NOT HITTING YOU, YOU HEAR ME

>>69518140
>Get caught
How. Just bury the shit somewhere.

>>69514874
The wording on the termination notice suggests it was "Livers reaching out to Selen after the video was taken down".

They described her claim as "harassment due to mismanagement", and if they're like Millie's tweet, they're like "How strange! That hasn't happened to anyone else! Maybe you were a bad child and didn't listen to the manager, hm?" The termination notice claims Selen was just "trying to shift the blame", that it led to the deteroration of the relationship between Selen and the other Livers, and even goes on to say that the treatment was justified:
>ANYCOLOR firmly believes that we and other Livers under our affiliation have not engaged in unjust practices towards Selen Tatsuki.

Arguably, the termination notice also described management bullying Selen.
They told Selen they would fire her if she broke the rules again, which is noted in the termination notice. They didn't fire her, because while under contract they had control over her; if fired she could return to being Doki, so the suspension was more punishing for her.

>...we sought to either publicly disclose the reasons for making the music video private or have Selen Tatsuki disclose them herself.
...But we don't know the full message they wanted Selen to post. For the full duration of Selen's suspension, they did not "publicly disclose the reasons".
It makes it look like they wanted to make Selen publicly admit guilt because whatever happened in private would not have stood up to scrutiny.

While I refer to Millie's tweet, we can find find this much with only the termination notice. Can we really assume there was no bullying?

>>69518140
>Your honor, I lost all my gold in a yachting accident

>>69517958
>Okay, Selen never got bullied.
Yeah I think so too that is why I am not trying to burn NijiEN down. I will be happy to burn it down when it gets proven she was bullied and that bullying was more than just being told "no".

>>69518159
Personally? I think graduating is optional. A public reconciliation with Doki and Elira remaining in Nijisanji would satisfy me. I can't speak for anyone else though.

Doki benefits most from waiting for the yab to blow over.
NijiEN though? It might blow over but how much more are they gonna bleed? How many more sponsors pull out? How many more new talents get cold feet? They stand to lose more by letting themselves burn a bit longer. A company can see greater success recovering from a yab than if they never yab'd in the first place. Niji already had a bad reputation BEFORE this, imagine the chance to actually regain some of that rep in the eyes if the public?

The only one keeping this shit alive is sisters like you bringing tribal mentality and stupid arguments into this. I'd like to see NijiEN recover from this, I'd like to be an Elira simp once more, but if they don't do anything then resentment and suspicion are just going to keep building like it was BEFORE all this. You would know that if you actually cared about NijiEN.

>>69517536
Clearly you haven't watched much JAV if you think the majority of them are actually attractive...

>>69518154
I was about to tell you something but you are too dumb to understand how you undermined your side so please carry on posting and causing more L's for your side.

>>69518867
>I have no argument and I must post

>>69518357
>wording on the termination notice suggests
>suggests
That is my point you are all pulling this shit out of your ass without having any direct confirmation of what happened.

>>69500614
Contracts may have a dollar amount penalty in the contract for breaking NDA

>>69518933
They don't care anon, they just want to see Niji burn.

>>69518670
You absolutely do not need any dramabird's permission to be an elira fan. We have no proof of her bullying in any way. Anything that is claimed without proof can be dismissed without proof.
While an ideal solution would be for NIjiEN and selen to come to some agreement and make a public announcement that the hatchet is buried, realistically it might never happen.
NijiEN's best option is to wait for it to blow over. Same for Selen and same for Elira. This is still the meta option. Can they explore behind the scenes about a public reconcilitation? Yes but that still doesn't change the meta strategy being to not feed the yab.
The drama baiters in this thread, the drama youtubers feeding on the corpse of this yab, they don't want it to end but there's really nothing left to burn. The embers are fading and it'll be over in 2 weeks.
Any suggested plan that goes against the interests of NijiEN, Niji talents or Selen is a non starter. Just call them out for being a dramabird and wait for the 7th trumpet to die.
There's more to do in vt than feed a dead rrat for the sake of drama.

>>69518933
We have direct confirmation of what happened

She got fired and both management and livers spent the next two days dragging her through the mud in the public. That is fucked up, that is bullying and unjustifiable. Even if Selen was in the wrong, you don't do that shit. I want an apology for THAT. Whatever happened before that can be sorted out between lawyers.

>>69518344
>Has to buy it from some shady place, which means you need to use cash
>May not even be able to get the cash
>If you get the cash may not be able to get the gold
>Have to deal with criminals which could just take your cash and you could do nothing about it
>the police knows you withdrew a lot of cash, they say you either tell them where the cash is or it's additional charges and more time prison
>Once you get out of prison you have to hope no autist with a metal detector found your stash or there wasn't any development and it wasn't found by a costruction crew
>since you didn't tell the police where the money was they may have the right to search your house without warning after you leave prison
>If at any point you can't explain how you got some money you're fucked

>>69519079
Even Doki didn't want this. Why in the world do u care so much to want that? Does it even help her in any way?

>>69518925
holy esl

>>69519032
>Anything that is claimed without proof can be dismissed without proof.
Okay? Then Nijisanji fired Selen for no reason, so we can add unjust dismissal on top of public slander for the confirmed shit Nijisanji actually has done.

>Any suggested plan that goes against the interests of NijiEN, Niji talents or Selen is a non starter.
Corporate dicksucker, got it.

>>69519079
>that is bullying
I hope you actually get bullied so you learn what actual bullying is. You are like a woman saying she was raped because someone looked at her tits.

>>69519079
>drag her
Examples?

>>69519236
>Then Nijisanji fired Selen for no reason
Stop being retarded on purpose. It hurts.

>i lied about something so i better kill someone to cover it up
only 4chan thinks this is logical

People thinking Elira is the worst effected is missing the point imo. There's a load of collateral damage from this saga. People know management skin-walks regularly. People will assume any talent in the corpo is potentially mistreating other talents. People will see any and all suspensions, graduations and terminations with extreme suspicion. The moment anything even remotely questionable happens people will be like "hey remember selen?". The kayfabe is thoroughly broken

>>69502437
>She can, however, be sued by Anycolor Incorporated for breach of non-disclosure agreements, libelous harassment, dissemination of sensitive material, breach of contractual stipulations, and defamation with intent.
Didn't Elira and Co. use Anycolor's attorneys for reviewing their statement?

>>69519379
Kayfabe is dead in NijiEN since day 0

>>69519236
There are times context and circumstances mean you don't get a nice ending with everything wrapped up. This isn't a fairy tale.
If your goal is a public apology by nijiEN and its livers, or for them to suffer some legal punishment before you consider the score settled you're going to be waiting for a very long time.
Furthermore this is clearly not Doki's goal anymore. Its your goal. You can have any goal you want to pursue in your life but you're not going to get support from nijiEN fans nor most reasonable Selen fans. Both these groups know that what you want will only cause suffering to the parties involved.

>>69519155
Again, your tribalism is your undoing, unable to see beyond simple black and white because you're too stupid.

I don't give a fuck about Doki, she got her happy ending and can safely fuckoff and enjoy her new clout. But Nijisanji was burning before they fired Selen, and it continues to burn even if they do nothing. There's problems here that existed before and have only gotten worse. If you actually cared for any of the talent, you would want the best for them with or without the company.

>>69519448
Kayfabe has been dead in wrestling for many many decades too, but that doesn't mean it's not crucially important that fans are prevented from thinking too much about the realities of the industry

>>69519379
Anon, we know Holo manager skinwalks because of Gura's tweets when she was MIA for months. No one actually cares, not even you. You just like the drama.

>>69519510
If you are trying to propose a plan to benefit nijiEN, you're not doing a very good job. In no situation does any of the nijiEN talents benefit from keeping the yab alive, performing a public apology or paying any form of compensation.
Go back and rethink what you want. Its not in the interests of nijiEN, nijiEN talents or doki.

>>69519534
Nobody cares until the distinction becomes important. For instance: Skinwalking matters a lot when there is a controversial event. Notice how skinwalking becomes worse the more likely things are to generate controversies?

>>69508068
>get sued
>use money and buy gold illegally
Anon.. if she's getting sued, she's losing money. What are you on?

>>69518933
>without having direct confirmation
Ah, so you're in denial.

>>69517064
>Are you fucking retarded?

It's a nijicuck, you can just assume at this point

>>69513524
I can say as someone working in an office enviroment in a high enough position. I could bully someone to hell and back and they could not do fuck all about it and not have any proof I'm doing it unless they would go into year long data gathering for the whole company and have a full breakdown of stats.
Just being extra anal about everything you do, requesting double checks, calling you into office to clarify already clear things, making you rewrite papers because something was off or unreadable, making you do pointless paperwork, giving you the worst routes (I work in transportation), giving you the worst hours, letting others get away with things I'm not letting you get away with... like what are you going to do? Rules are rules right? I can also make sure I'm extra late in replying to any of your inquiries, dragging things out intentionally, double checking with any other manager so it takes extra long before I can get back to you. I could literally drive you insane at work, and still have plausible deniability because MUH rules.

>>69519643
>controversial
Like I said, you just like drama.

>>69519625
>benefit nijiEN
All you can think of is the company because that's all you are, whether an $8 Niji intern or chink fujo sister.

No, what would be in the best interest of the talent is if they get their own Doki story. If they can quit or get fired in a way that makes them look like the hero and let them redebut as an indie with new clout.

It would benefit the company AND talent if NijiEN get their fucking shit together ao we don't have talent burnt out, miserable and wanting to quit but scared of corporate punishment. This would best be demonstrated by a public gesture that Niji of the past would never do.

It would benefit Riku Tazumi and the shareholders if people forget about this problem and the sweatshop quietly resumes torturing its slaves. They can fuck off the edge of my dick.

You go back to your office desk and rethink your astroturfing plan because this is just pathetic. You're wasting your time here anyway, go bother plebbit with that drivel.

>>69500614
>Question, if Elira rep is already in the gutter why doesn't she try to salvage it by breaking NDA and showing full logs as proof?
What if the logs prove her to be worse?

>>69500614
>The terminated employees haven't broken their NDA despite what happened to them and having the PR edge.
>They have even expressed just moving on.
>I however should break my own contracts and trash my current career.
>And risk being complicit in damaging my former company's image further if not ultimately folding their branch I was a part of and my friends may still be part of.
>And risk legal action against myself, spending who knows how much time, resources, and mental wellbeing if I have to go to court.
>And tank future employment by showing employers I break contracts.
>And risk my visa, which I won't be able to recover with a new job in time because I'm a foreigner who betrayed a JP corpo.
>All regardless of outcome, by the way.
>Why? To MAYBE save your virtual boy toys? Because you're not saving me!

Solidifies the theory of "Nijisisters" in reality just being hardcore Kindred and other such Luxiem stans. Sacrifice another woman to save your oshis, which wouldn't even be guaranteed. I don't even think Vox would approve of this idea. Despite you claiming to be "their" first line of PR defense, the women involved or even speculated to be involved in this situation would be smart to not seek your counsel. They need people who actually have their best interests in mind. If you really think this is such a good idea, tell your oshi to do it himself!

>>69519996
>get their own Doki story
This is what's coming btw because the financial incentive is right in plain sight. This is a mirror of Hollywood's studio system collapsing. The industry is also infested with troons, gays, and pedos so it's very fitting.

>>69519996
Are you seriously proposing that nijiEN talents graduate and dramabait to try and become popular? Go back to the drawing board.

If Elira had just put out a 5 minute video saying that Selen broke company policy and was terminated and that the accusations she leveled in the private document (which only Niji mentioned) were taken seriously but that they didn’t believe them to be true, and that she wished Selen the best going forward, Elira would have saved the company.

That’s all she needed to do. Don’t try to assassinate Selen’s character, say her accusations are unfounded. Make the whole hospital thing a Selen menhera moment without actually saying that.

Instead we got 15 minutes of pitiful MEMEMEME and umm actually according to my secret recordings were totally innocent bullshit. How poorly they handled Selen’s termination, plus making that tone deaf stream, is so sociopathic that people are willing to believe Doki.

>>69520255
It literally already worked for Scarle going by sub numbers, and she didn't really do anything that couldn't be explained as an accident.

Go back to your desk and look at your own company analytics, then piss your pants when you realize your head will be on the chopping block soon enough.

>>69520474
I know vtubers aren't the smartest or sanest people but your proposal would likely still be rejected by them.

>>69520549
Yeah no shit because most of them are noballs and think they're nothing without Niji, if they had self confidence they would've bailed with Nina & Mysta and the rest.

...wait, why are you wording it like you're going to the talent with these ideas? Are you actually the new intern they hired? Man, I don't envy your position. I get it, company is on fire and they want you to fix it when that's kinda impossible for just one underpaid person. Say hi to Elira for me and really, consider some sort of apology? I think she needs to make some sort of statement because she's getting more heat than Vox or Ike, grab the ukelele if necessary. Have some faceless staff person apologise too via a statement, scapegoat some rando janitor for being the bully and say the usual "we commit to being better blah blah".

>>69520451
They don't have PR advisor and their actual manager is an ESL. This is where spending less actually bit them pretty hatd.

Why doesn't her mama care about Elira as much as she cares about Selen?

>>69521164
Elira is still in the black company, why do you think?

>>69521164
Be a she's in the dark just as much as the rest of us. We speculate because we have nothing to lose and everything to gain, she can't because the wrong conclusion could cost her career.

>>69521164
pro artists have better things to do than stir drama.

unpopular opinion but she will probably to be able to limp on with about50-75% of he pre-events ccv. She will probably lean into collabs with niji jps and be viewed as a daisenpai of nijien once finana peaces out. definitely dead as far as growth in the west but there is a viable approach for her to continue. (see mikoneko for dwindling downtrodden fan bases doubling down on support the further they shrink)

>>69521556
I think it generous that 25-50% of her actual fanbase (not falseflaggers) would drop her over unproven allegations.

>>69500614
Do you retards actually think if she just starts streaming as normal, that the majority of her fans won't just NDF the chat with positive spam

>>69502581
Japan is literally the country of niche audiences.

>>69504011
There's a reason why we call her 39iq....

>>69500936
That way Elira can summon the team rocket again to say that they were sooooooo shocked to learn that fucking obvious things were in legal documents, crying about FWENDSHIP and proceeding to talk about people that were never named before whatsoever and then having Vox talking about himself and that he was recorded being the sexpest that he is

FWENSHIP

>>69501856
She'd have to resolve her acne issue before that

>>69521556
In reality this is what will happen >>69521689
But I'll humor you. Why would NijiJP's want to do anything with her? If Niji had any sense while the allegations are unproven there's still the stink of allegations and should quarantine her away from JP. Mikeneko is not a good comparison because her fanbase is completely different and in a niche that she is the undisputed queen of (NTR, GFE).
What Elira should do is fully lean into the queen bitch/Stacy persona. There's a niche for it and she doesn't have to pretend

>>69500614
To play devil's advocate for a second and assume she isn't guilty, one reason she might not want to burn the Niji bridge is because;
>No longer hireable by JP media companies
>She leaves but then can't come back unless she wants to be served a lawsuit
This is a girl who speaks English and Japanese fluently and has goes to Japan not just for business but for her hobbies. It's kind of a big deal to say fuck it to ever going back or working there.

>slowly the drama subsides
>an year passes
>we finally have the full story
>Elira wasn't guilty
How stupid would we look? How would she even scrape her reputation?

>>69512804
>I am a japanese company
>I sue a canadian for damages and slander
>I somehow get jurisdiction over her and win
>I receive Zero (0) yen in compensation for my legal costs because I sued a canadian in Japan, which can exercise absolutely zero power over a Canadian

Brilliant, money well spent.

>>69521636
janny did his job for once

>>69523652
she's at least guilty for hosting hit piece blackscreen stream on her channel

>>69523652
A decent portion of people have already made their mind up, even hard evidence wouldn’t sway them. But similarly, most dramafags will move onto the next big yab. You can see them desperately trying to find more crumbs in this situation because they’re bored.

>>69523652
>How stupid would we look?
People think we're retards anyways. Who cares?

>>69523769
Nijiseethe

>>69512804
>NijiEN self reports on twitter about bullying and harrassment allegations made in a private HR complaint that no-one had an idea about externally.
>likely win
Japanese laws are retarded but not quite retarded as you

>>69511598
Doki wouldn't release shit because it would evolve into an international lawsuit that would dox her and pretty much fuck up her second attempt as a career. Especially considering that she was suicidal not so long ago, a legal battle would be completely out of the question

Just common sense

>>69523917
Fuck you, I'm smart.

>>69523652
Even if I were to play devils advocate. At BEST she is a massive retard who hosted the infamous vid and simultaneously spilled the beans on millie and enna.

>>69502974
>>69503083
the harshest lights cast the darkest shadows anon

>>69523652
If she was truly innocent she shouldn't have volunteered to have niji throw her under the bus.
If she was forced then she should find a path to graduation or even make a HR complaint.

>>69524311
Only retards tell others they're smart

>>69518618
That black screen video counts as harrassment/bullying. There you go.

Naked Dogeza

mating press

>>69523652
>We
Speak for yourself

>>69519243

>>69520451
>If Elira had just put out a 5 minute video saying that Selen broke company policy and was terminated and that the accusations she leveled in the private document (which only Niji mentioned) were taken seriously but that they didn’t believe them to be true

Even this would be enough to piss people off and should be left out. She would still look like a backstabber, it would just be less outrageous. She would have had to have said something that walks back parts of the slanderous termination notice. Like "Selen was a driving force behind the scenes at NijiEN, the possibility that she was being neglected or even harassed is being taken VERY seriously and I can assure you an investigation is underway."
It could be a total fucking lie, wouldn't matter, but it would have sounded really credible coming from her, and literally every liver could have gone back to their routine pretty much immediately.

>>69502471
>>69502563
zoomies are too used to cancel culture and airing out "tea"
doki is doing the right thing by not lashing out and keeping it professional
niji jumped the gun and expected the usual shit flinging and now they look like an incompetent ragtag group of idiots

>>69525074
>>69525252
>nu-4chan

>>69523652
She got herself into this. Innocent or not regardless

>>69525525
Doesn't matter how new or old. It's the law dumbass. This isn't one of your Jonny Silverhand fantasies where we do whatever we want, guns blazing.

>>69525739
It matters cause you are a hugbox of tumblr faggots.

>>69526310
not him
and i agree hugboxes and echo chambers aren't good
but needlessly being an asshole isn't good either
so would you be alright if your boss publicly humiliated you? or put out a bunch of your private info?
of course you can act "rough and tough" and say it wouldn't affect you
but it would

>>69526839
what private info was exposed after her being fired? her "attempt"? the one she already had suggested in her own Doki twitter account by posting a photo of the hospital bracelet and a bunch of subsequent tweets of how she was "taking it one day at a time"?
what humiliation? revealing to the world what was well-known in her own fanbase? the fact that she would always go behind management's back to have it her way? there's obvious management issues that deserved skipping a step for the sake of efficiency, but Selen thought she could get away with everything

I don't actually think it would be that hard for her to mostly recover. She would need to come back admit that the video was a bad idea, and say that the video was either made with incomplete or misled information, or under pressure from management. She also has the Visa thing, which I think most would accept as a good reason as to why she felt she had to do it. Only issue is that it's unlikely that management would allow her to say it, regardless of whether it's true.

>>69516043
People are out for blood because Nijisanji released shit that wasn't supposed to be released to makle someone look bad.
And then did it again.

>>69525555
>It's their fault I peddle rrats
Unironically neck yourself with a knife

>>69527841
Your comprehension reps...

>>69501387
Not that it even matters since she's boring and only got big because of Niji

>>69512804
Slander is only slander when it's not true.

Reading through this thread makes it clear that Doki fans (and niji haters because let's be real, that the largest part of the crowd) are delusional and purposefully misinterpreting things and ignoring facts.
Doki was the first one to explicitly use the word "bullying" in all of this, which is what made the mob explode into the harassment campaign against the niji en livers (something she did not attempt to stop until 3 days later in a quick throwaway statement at the end of her stream, and then used the exact same "I don't want this to happen to other people" line latter, as if it was written or practiced).
Doki was the one who flipped out and threatened anycolor with legal action, implicating several talents in the process with her "harassment" accusations. After not reaching an understanding and Doki herself threatening with going out with her side of the story if they didn't submit, the decision was made to kick her out and after the #whereisselen shit, they would release a statement about why she was fired: she would constantly disobey simple instructions and threatened with legal action after accusing other talents of harassment they deemed did not happened. They never said Doki was being bullied; they said Selen claimed she was being harassed. Harassment that was "hey Selen, are you ok? what happened with the video?".
Elira spoke on behalf of the talents to defend themselves against the bullying accusations Selen spurred. Yes, there was an attack on them and that was clear for everyone in and outside this board. The "slander" people are accusing her of is them saying that Selen did do what the termination letter said, and reaffirmed it wasn't the first time she had done that, and the only new info was revealing that she was recording private conversations and gathering information with personal information on people. It's funny because people are going "well, of course she would do that, they were bullying her!", because if what she was doing was so good, then why would you also say it's slander? If you say it's slander then you know what she did is morally wrong. Legally suggested maybe, but morally wrong.
Someone earlier also said how tazumi's video came out minutes after Elira's stream, making her video look worse, when it was out 3 hours afterwards. This one's pointless but it paints a clear picture that people just want to believe what they want, ignoring what proof we have and don't have. We don't have proof Elira and her "clique" didn't bully Doki, but we also don't have proof that they did. And no, Elira mentioning that Doki's documents had Millie and Enna's personal information are not proof. That only means Doki had discord screenshots with their personal information, but we don't know the context of the screenshots. We don't even have proof of Doki's "attempts" if you want to go that far, but of course people are not going to ask for that one.
Doki fans will always stick to her and believe her no matter what, and a lot of people already were against niji and were just looking for a good reason to shit on the company and everyone in it, so they'll make arguments in bad faith without correct information.

>>69523652
>Elira wasn't guilty.
Fucking lmao
But also why do you people keep trying to shift the blame onto talents instead of management and niji.
The black company is the main issue, the bullying cunts are a secondary.

>>69529511
Wow, that's a lot of words considering you're factually wrong at the 2nd sentence. I read no further.

>>69529511
100 yuan has been deposited into your account.
Do you creatures ever stop lying at any point?
It's crazy hearing harassment campaign coming from a nijidrone. The #1 harassers in vtubing.

>>69500614
>If they are right it will atleast change mind of people who dogpile on them.
Because it doesn't fucking matter what Selen did.

Nijisanji can't understand it because they are maliciously autistic, why the NDF doesn't understand it... Well, probably the same.

The company publicly attacked their #1 talent, right after she had a suicide attempt, while pointing the finger at their livers, putting them all in danger.

And after that, attacked the same suicide vic AGAIN while putting their talents in the firing lines AGAIN. Elira's career is over, thanks to Nijisanji, and she'll be lucky if she can go back home to Canada without fearing for her life on the daily.

Doesn't matter if Selen murdered someone, nothing justifies that. This shit where you try to make sure your talents can never work in the industry again as you fire them is bad enough by itself, but throwing your remaining talents under the bus while ignoring their safety by pointing hundreds of thousands of angry fans their way, is just completely unforgivable.

The branch needs to be shut down. It's a danger to itself, a danger to the talents, and a danger to the parent company. Regardless of anything Selen may have done, that remains true.

>>69502609
Yeah, thats the thing.
They were willing to show the screenshots that made Doki look bad on the stream (disobeying management), but showed nothing else.

This and the fact that they revealed some of what was in Doki's document prove to me that they were willing to show receipts and throw everything they had at Doki to get back the court of public opinion.

So that begs the question, if they were willing to show management screenshots, and reveal the contents of the document, why didn't they reveal the proof that they didn't do harassment?

The answer is that they couldn't prove no harassment took place with recent screenshots, because it did or was at least borderline.

>>69529585
Only thing Elira is guilty of is trying to do too much with too little. The difference between EN and rest of the world is EN is cuck central and supports the underdog because of their Christian roots. Rest of the world understands to follow the strong horse. What you faggots called harassment and bullying is just normal pecking order shit everywhere else. It's no wonder this hobby is overrun by troons and pedos.

>>69529798
All the screen shots did was prove it took nearly two days to review a two minute video, and that there was never any copyright issue, and thus no potential lawsuit. It's not as if they were going to crawling to Nina and Mysta to get permission for a poorly drawn, two second use of their own IP.

All it really did was prove that management was in no way justified in ruining Christmas for all the Dragoons. Things looked much better for them while Selen was silent on the subject.

>reddit formatting
at least pretend...

>>69529511

>>69529984
Elira is guilty of putting her life in danger to simply repeat the same mistake the company made before and attack a popular suicide victim, again. Given the roomers she knows have been floating around, she's also guilty of putting her friend's lives in even more danger than they already were by naming Millie and Enna in the announcement.

Even if she wanted to make the announcement, no management that had even an ounce of concern for its talent's careers or safety would have allowed her to do so, let alone provide a statement to help her in her career suicide.

Even if we assume the Japanese just don't understand that western viewers have guns and many are looking for an excuse to use them, while being every bit as parasocial as their Japanese counterparts, it's just all around a shit thing to do, by any culture's metric. They literally bullied Doki off the fucking air, while claiming their was no bullying going on, and revealed her private Discord messages while complaining they were being recorded. It's just irresponsible malicious spiteful shit, on top of irresponsible malicious spiteful shit.

>>69530629
>by any culture's metric
Only by heavily Jew influenced cultures. You cucks just absolutely love a good victim sob story with tragic characters that overcome their tragedy. Reality is everyone is shit making a shit sandwich.

>>69523652
She will be the Projared of Vtubing. Vindicated... and irrelevant.

>>69530919
Even if you leave the suicide out of it, it's a shit idea to attack your #1 most popular talent (by views), right after you just lost what was probably your most beloved talent, after management brought her to tears.

Even simply attacking your talents as they leave the company is shit behavior by most culture's standards. You just cite "creative differences" or some shit, and wish them luck in their future endeavors. You don't try to make sure they can never work in the industry again. At worst you refuse them reference.

...and with the suicide, despite your claim, most cultures don't look kindly on someone publicly attacking a suicide victim, as it looks like you're trying to get them to finish the job. That isn't just a "Christian values" thing, it's the basic social mammalian instinct of empathy at play.

>>69529602
>>69529692
>>69530387
You're free to counter anything I said and I'll eat my words if you prove me wrong but you won't because like I said, you're the kind of person that just wants to shit on the company and everyone in it. You don't want an argument or to talk about this, you only want to throw insults and keep thinking you're based and chad for dunking on what I say.

>>69529778
>while pointing the finger at their livers
The letter brought up Selen's accusations of harassment, and it was her on tweet later on that mentioned bullying. She was the one pointing fingers.
> putting their talents in the firing lines AGAIN
That's because you believe niji is an evil company. It's impossible for you to interpret the video as Elira and the rest defending themselves against the online attacks they had been receiving after Selen's statement.

>>69532201
Harassed to the point of suicide is bullying, and the idea that the other talents were involved was on no one's mind until they brought it up, all the publicly visible friction was between Selen and management. Even Selen's statement was more vague than the company's.

Never mind that the Black Stream, putting forth the rumored Queen Bee while naming Enna and Millie, came up days later.

They are either evil, or simply so badly managed as to appear evil, as actions speak louder than words. Even if they are the kindest company with the most benign intentions, they are so irresponsible as to be a danger to both their talents and the parent company, and need to be shut down for everyone's sake.

>>69518817
they might not all have pretty faces and nice bodies but they sure as hell aren't FAT

>>69531829
Nijisanji went public with a bullying claim. Nijisanji went public stating it was livers that were implicated. Elira (on behalf of Nijisanji) made public who was specifically noted in a complaint. Nijisanji investigated themselves and found no wrongdoing. Now fuckoff back to whatever hole you crawled from.

>>69529798
>They were willing to show the screenshots that made Doki look bad on the stream (disobeying management), but showed nothing else
That's because, unlike what people want to believe because they are on Selen's side, Elira and the rest did not want to attack Selen's persona. They showed the screenshots to prove that she, in fact, was deliberately ignoring clear instructions to wait for the review, and to later not say anything on twitter about it.
>they were willing to show receipts and throw everything they had at Doki to get back the court of public opinion.
But they didn't show anything else, only that one screenshot. Why would they want to show that? To provide context to Selen's harassments claims mentioned in the termination letter. What Selen claimed was harassment, was in fact other talents asking her about the video.
>why didn't they reveal the proof that they didn't do harassment?
That question can very easily be flipped: why didn't Selen reveal the proof that they did do harassment? In the end, the truth is something people just refuse to acknowledge: they don't want to attack Selen's persona out of spite.

>>69530049
Exactly, they showed croped screenshots that made Niji look worse while trying to defend Niji

KEK

>>69533094
Nijisanji brough up Selen's claims for harassment. There's a very clear difference between "Selen was bullied" and "Selen said she was being bullied". It was Selen, as Doki, who explicitly brough up "internal bullying".
Elira (on behalf of the talents) brought up that in Doki's documents, her and other people's personal information was included in her documents. You're the one deciding those documents implicate anyone doing any bullying. Why would any harassment on discord include personal information on the person doing the harassment? Selen recorded a conversation with Vox, something that was not related to bullying, so not everything Selen presented was about being bullied or harassed.

>>69533171
You are looking at this under the assumption that the Livers are all good people.

You are also stating this under the assumption that the management screenshots were included to show how long Selen had to wait for a response, AKA the Livers slipping that in under management's radar and playing 5D chess, which I find hard to believe

>>69532551
>Harassed to the point of suicide is bullying
This I agree, but we don't know if there actually was any harassment. Do you know many people who take their lives never show any signs of unhappiness to the people they are close with?
I'm not going to say Selen is insane and menhera, what I'm saying is that there never had to be any actual bullying for her to feel as bad as she did to try and take her life. She already isolated herself from people in the branch out of her own insecurities and her introvert nature. If she's in a bad mental state after the video thing, and she sees a bunch of people she doesn't get along with asking about that video thing, it makes sense to think she'll interpret this as harassment and pushes her to the edge (almost).

>>69500797
>In 2 months the black screen stream will be memoryholed.
The "black companies only" womb tattoo art will surely be remembered for more than two months.

>>69503148
>Can she cancel her work visa and flee back to Canada before Riku's yakuza get her?
And then get fucked by Doki's canadian lawyer, remember that Lucius advised to not sue a japan corpo because it wasn't worth it, but a canadian citizen in the same country is another story.

>>69533693
>You are looking at this under the assumption that the Livers are all good people.
And half of this thread is looking at things under the assumption that everyone involved in nijien is a bunch of evil roaches. All I'm trying to do is giving everyone the benefit of the doubt until we get actual proof and not just hearsay that people give more validity because it comes from the "good" side.
>the management screenshots were included to show how long Selen had to wait for a response
Why would the response time matter at all? That's not my justification for the screenshot. The reason for the screenshot is for Elira and the rest to tell people "see? like anycolor said in the letter, Selen was not cooperating with the staff's clear communication". Vox even went on to say how they all have to follow the same type of instructions. The response time is a whole different topic.

>>69500936
Last (you) for the retardsisters, you're just going back in circles with the same retarded arguments.
Niji was the one throwing the livers under the bus and the first termination announcement fuck up can only be attributed to Elira (literally no EN management staff) since it was done way too fast for this slow as fuck black company.

She will be plapped for her transgressions.

>>69501039
Do you believe she won't get blacklisted from all the other corpos? or we're assuming she'll go indie? because I can't see that happening without a full sob story (which won't happen without insulting kurosanji)

>>69534192
Co-workers behaving like attack dogs for management is harassment in itself. They admitted they contacted Selen to 'express their concerns' over her sullying the company's reputation when they should have fucked off and minded their own business. If management wants to hound Selen, fine, but she shouldn't have to take it from co-workers as well.

>>69510251
>they are being condemned as doing bullying to her to the point of suicide
Condemned by who exactly?

>>69535190
>They admitted they contacted Selen to 'express their concerns' over her sullying the company's reputation
Is it that hard to believe they were contacting her out of worry and actual goodwill and not to defend a company and its reputation? I guess it is if you want to paint them all as bad guys.

>>69534998
Even with a full sob story she'll get blacklisted. Only way is the indie way.

>>69513731
Imagine yourself being the top dog CEO yacht owner having to humiliate yourself to an audience you don't give a fuck, for filthy gaijins no less, I would be absolutely livid and ready to make heads roll.

>>69535496
They were concerned about Selen's impact on the company and by extension themselves. At no point during the black box video did they even hint that Selen's condition was important to them.

>>69504297
It only evidence how scared they were of the doki docs, if they were all made up lies like the sisters claims they wouldn't panic and commit the most self destructing PR possible.
But it's fun watching the sister brigade desperately deflecting and failing.

>>69506157
>Just ignore the corpo PR damage and everything will work!
>everything make sense if you don't think about it
I know zoomers are retarded but lol.

>>69506837
More like Nijisisters+anycolor VS anycolor
All the damage is self inflicted lmao.