/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>69251622
Lmao

>>69251622
Hololive firing Omegay really turned it around for EN

>>69251622
>freedom to complain
Watch streams, faggot

>>69251622
No

>>69252042
is this real?

>>69251622
>rushia and mel got fired but thry never said anything negative from hololive
Do people actually believe this? Rushia was fucking pissed at hololive, and Mel's nda breaking immediately fired pipeline was telling. Hololive probably just threatens them way harder with ndas.

>>69251622
Holo talents are employees who have salaries, Niji organs- contractors without salary
Holos openly shit on management and their retarded decisions
NijiS sucking Riku's cok

>>69251622
IQ drops are real.

>>69251622
>Rushia and Mel got fired, but they never said anything negative from hololive.

>Rushia ... never said anything negative from hololive.

You're telling me Rushia who we all know has a temper tantrum has started and failed several lawsuits based on flimsy evidence at best. Rushia who makes alt accounts to bash her ex-husband (which with defamation laws being what they are is definitely lawsuit worth against her) hasn't said anything about Hololive because of a contract?

It couldn't possibly be because maybe she has nothing bad to say about it because they didn't do anything wrong to her. Considering what we know now they gave her the absolute best out that they possibly could. Way more than she deserved.

If Holo was bad to her Rushia would've already spilled the beans and then some.

>>69251622
We have found out, that Nijisanji is the worst of the two. You get to keep more of your money at hololive, you get to keep more of the merch split, you also actually get help from management for events and collabs.

Like Nijisanji might actually harm your ability to grow as a VTuber. Niji might actually sabotage your ability to grow.

>>69251622
of all the rrats, this is the dumbest idiotic thing i've ever read.

>>69252554
8 lawyers didnt find anything from rushia about Hololive to sue...

>>69251622
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

>>69251622
>nijisanji
No Salary
they take 30% of donations
they get 98% of merch sales
They dont help with events
They make talent pay out of pocket for everything
they do nothing to help of manage, they do not leg work to help talent. They only deny talent opportunities since that is all they can be assed to do as managers is say NO to anything fun or interesting.

>hololive
You get a base salary
You get 50% of Merch sales
You get to keep more of your donations and super money
They make talent pay for a lot of stuff out of pocket but they do give a budget for new things every year

they actually actively help for big events and anniversaries etc. They help set up collabs and get legal stuff done.


People used to think Holo was the worst, but that is only cause its now come to light that Nijis bully squad and lawyers were so tyrannical they could keep everyone silent with legal threats.

>>69251622
Hololive:
>Salary
>Merch profit
>Superchats
>Paid cover
>Paid for concert performance
>A shitload of sponsorships
>Plenty of example from the girls shitting on management publicly when cover fuck up
>Festivals
>Concert
>3D debuts
>Outfits out of the ass
>Actual management

Negrosanji

>2%

>>69251622
>Freedom to complain
You think THIS is Niji having the freedom to complain? It's dirty laundry being aired out in an opportune time while niji's blood is in the water.
Remember Zaion's very malicious termination letter? She had to lawyer up to make a retort.
Remember Pomu's very vocal memberstream getting taken down?
I don't think you want Niji to be the posterchild of freedom here.
>Holo
The only real victims are Mel and Yogiri
>Rushia
The company and most of JP were probably actually really glad to have gotten rid of her. And for good reason. She's legitimately a horrible person and perpetual victim with constant sudokubaiting.
>Mel
Entire company wept for her termination, Choco released a collab song w/ her like a week ago.
>Slavery Contract
Sorry but nothing beats 2%

I'm going to assume you're a tourist who just watched Charlie's video with broad claims of "almost all vtuber companies are like this" and not a braindead NDF.

>>69252202
>>69252554
At worst she has a grudge on a specific manager who badmouthed her and spread rumors about her, but nothing on hololive itself. She even sympathized with yagoo for being the face of the company and the responsibilities that come with it.
>believing her about the manager
Sure sure

>>69253172
take into account Mori, Suisei and anybody else who has produced full albums because Hololive helped engage and broker the deals. Makes them one of the best promoters of musical talent out there as far as how they treat musicians.

>>69251622
flawless logic
I can't disagree

>>69251622
Be honest anon, this thread is just an excuse to post your first Photoshop edit in the opening picture right?

It's not bad

>>69251622
>Hololive probably has an slavery contract where nobody can say bad stuff about them....
Cover doesn't need to do anything, their fans are rabid enough that if you bad talk the blue dorito they'll crucify you.

>>69251622
lol go be a retard back in twitter

>>69253694
the existence of Rushia disproves everything speculated here. Fuck off Nijicuck

>Niji
"Freedom of speech"
You can talk about politics and sex and shit
>Holo
when you try to brouch one of those topics the police dog comes and punches you in the face

I will never forgive them for how they treated Coco. No amount of “based yagoo memes” will change that. Hololive is a large part of why the golden age of vtubers is over.

>talking about slavery when you have actual slave camps in china
nyfco aren't sending their best

>>69253694
Weird way to describe NDF

>>69251622
That's it. I found it.
The most retarded take!

>>69251622
stopped reading at freedom to complain
where the fuck did you retards came from?

>>69253172
>No Salary
They are not legally obligated to. It's not a real job.
>they get 98% of merch sales
Dramatranny bullshit and the only thing backing that is a retarded flip who doesn't even know how to do his taxes and is now hiding in Indonesia because of it.
>They dont help with events
Wrong.
>They make talent pay out of pocket for everything
If it's a personal project, yes. The same is true for hololive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUTso5qunJg

Also,
>hololive
>You get a base salary
>You get 50% of Merch sales
>You get to keep more of your donations and super money
May I have a source for those claims?

>>69251622
No. I think they're both fine companies. I bet if you're not an entitled American or Canadian they're not actually that bad. I think of it like how Americans handle visiting Japan, and they suddenly have culture shock, and they're surprised that they're not treated like natives so they say Japan is xenophobic. Europeans and others travel to Japan and they're like what a cool country, they have their own ways, but the foreigner friction is nothing unusual.
It's about having experience and something to compare it with instead of being naive and being used to having everything handed to you.

>>69253950
based dog, doing a great job keeping out politics and drama from my entertainment

>>69254205
Genuinely curious anon. How do you think they should have done it?

>>69251622
Holo at least pays the talents a salary apparently. I don't think it was ever mentioned that Niji pays you a dime past whatever meager % of merch or SC money you make them.

>>69251622

Hololive management is far from perfect, but compared to Nijisanji they're fucking infallible

>>69253172
How does Hollow life even make money if they give it all to their wagies, are they stupid?

>>69254945
I like how this board memory holes everything that happened in 2020-2021. 2023-2024 is simply the Niji version of that.

Holostars as a whole is proof enough that Cover is better. Even if you're a no view shifter, you'll get new outfits, 3D debut, special customized merch and more. Cover supports all it's talents, no matter the size.

>>69254532

surprise, surprise. NDF doesn't watch holo streams. kaichou previously hinted most of them.

>>69255015
Less yatch expenses.

>>69255138
50% claim for merch is inconsistent with what both Fauna and Axel said about it.

Oh look. A child that doesn't understand professionalism.

>>69251622
All Jobs have their bad points. I'm sure behind the scenes at Hololive it isn't all sunshine and rainbows. But no. I don't think it is worse working for Cover compared to Anycolor. Not even close.

Hololive is just better at pretending.

>>69251622
>Rushia and Mel got fired, but they never said anything negative from hololive.
Rushia did, actually. She tried disproving what the termination notice said but then she backed off when her lawyer told her to stop being retarded.

>>69252006
Kill yourself KFP

>>69255276
The money they make isn't pretend

>>69255365
boots yummy

>>69255248
holo got their lesson in PR from the Taiwan and Rushia incidents

>>69255457
Yes
Your ungrateful whore should graduate and do cosplay JAV with her soiboy boyfriend already

>>69255039
Did they push anyone to suicide? Did they rope Gura into saying how Coco is a meanie poo poo head for 15 minutes?
You're comparing apples to nuclear bombs.

>>69255067
I admit the AR live cancellation was a huge blunder, but it's clear that it was Selen being irresponsible and delaying 3Ds for everyone else afterwards. They will get 3Ds now that her fat ass is out of the company.

>>69255039
Not now kekson

>>69253172
>People used to think Holo was the worst
I was a holo fan since 2019 and literally there NEVER was a reason to think that "holo was the worst". Like what the fuck even is this about? Permission shit? Taiwan?

>>69255545
>doxxsister doing what she does best

>>69251622
current and former talents complain all the fucking time what're you talking about. do you need it to be 24/7?

>>69255644
>she
My nigger, only women and obese mexicans watch Kiara
Any self-respecting person is indifferent to her or resents her

>>69255039
A'ight let's bring Taiwan Coco and even Hitomi Chris, who literally get brought up all the time.
Situations where they came out lose-lose no matter what, they certainly could've handle them better but they still came out mostly bruiseless and even as the victims, all because they actually gave a fuck and tried to do good, and did improve from them so people know they can be somewhat trusted even if they fucked up.

Hell even for the recent FuwaMoco Holostar silence they knew it'd be better to just leave it, when pulling a Niji a (suspension and slander) would've been public image suicide.

>>69251622
Complaints from talents PAST AND PRESENT include
>Perms autism out the ass for games and media
>Too many creative limitations
>Japan-centric thinking
>Outdated Japanese corporate thinking in general
>Bullshit amounts of paperwork and 3am meetings
>Everything takes too long because of the above points
By all accounts it's very frustrating but rewarding job, which is a far cry from the slavery going on at Niji.

>>69255039
Yeah there's a reason the things_cover_should_do_for_their_talents.txt copypasta exists, but also there's a reason it hasn't gotten posted seriously in ages. Say what you will, but pretty much all their fuckups have been due to incompetence instead of straight up malice and the fact people nowadays have very little to complain about besides STOP SHILLING THE HOMOS SO MUCH helps confirm that.

>>69255766
>outdated
American leftists were a mistake

>>69255039
holo done the smartest thing to do at that time and do damage mitigation, you retard. the more you speak, the more the screw-ups.

>dragging holos into your damage control effort.
nijifags have no shame

>>69255015
Well one thing is they actually hold concerts and make money off of them.

>>69255733
so true sis! us people with self worth watch vox talking to our ears about how thick his cock is!

>>69254532
NTA but sure. Here's something for the salary bit
https://contents.xj-storage.jp/xcontents/AS05169/964b1b7a/09f7/4be1/9415/fe25251d510d/20230809143240714s.pdf

>Cover paid out 910m yen ($6.05million) to their 75 talents during April-June 2023
>Averaging a salary of $20k-$40k per talent, per month
>Average cost of living in Canada is $2,300CAD/month
>Average cost of living in California is $3,886USD/month

These ladies and gents are making good fucking cash.

>>69254532
> They are not legally obligated to. It's not a real job.
Oh, excuse me, so what does Niji actually do if vtuber isn't a real job?

>only thing backing that is a retarded flip
Yeah because he's totally the only one mentioned it. https://twitter.com/ksononair/status/1656226203576188931

>May I have a source for those claims?
https://youtu.be/mCJzQNw_zT0?si=rKepOLLktL6vV10E
https://twitter.com/ksononair/status/1656314005458411521

>>69255836
IM A KUROSANJI FAN BECAUSE I HATE KIARA AND HER FANS NOW BAHAHAHAHAHA actually end your life, cretin

>>69254532
>It's not a real job.
Unironic boomer mentality. Incredible.

>>69255015
they post the fucking thing on their investor report jfc

>>69254674
niji is legit shit
after gendou graduated she started making more money she ever did and that despite being basically literally who
They are shitty fucking LEECHES man. Fucking psychotic corpo wants you to drop all your stuff outside of niji like VA work. They are legit gatbage

>>69255067
Smart. Makes the whole branch look good and uniform. Stronger together mentality and it works.

>>69251622
what even is the point of this thread when its only nijiEN that was burning down?

>>69255954
Don't use Suisei for your holo tribalfagging you utter piece or shit nigger, kill yourself

>>69251622
>Fighting against Doki proved fruitless since she managed to build a strong network of allies outside of Nijisanji's control
>Sisters are now trying to bring Hololive down to their level
The complete and total death of NijiEN can't come fast enough.

>>69255996
she got suspended then fired over a fucking funny baseball tweet. that is fucking injustice that i just can't comprehend.

>>69251622
>hololive is worse than nijisanji
>because uhh
>i mean they just look TOO good man it's just suspicious dontcha think??

>>69255766
And the sad thing is, a lot of that is justified, hence we don't want another mass vod purge due to a lack of perms or demonetization because Okayu starts shlicking mid-stream

>>69255039
don't remember cover putting out character assassination hit pieces in 2020-2021

>>69251622
all companies are varying levels of incompetency, but niji is hilariously bad which is why they have a high turnover

>>69255552
>Did they push anyone to suicide?
Aloe bro. And yes you had a part in the harassment too before you try to deflect it to Niji only. She also said hololive management was shit later.

>>69255565
How was any of that Selen's Fault?

>>69255996
Who cares though, life is shit.
It's like some of you don't think about things like having a $200k personal budget. I don't have that kind of surplus money. If it was me I would have done it totally different. Take the money and save it or invest it, keep my inexpensive lifestyle, not spend any money on assets and either take the company ones, make my own, or wait for people to literally donate free art and assets to me. I would definitely keep my day job too and do 100 hour work weeks for at least 3 years while I ingratiate myself to upper level management. Then after that I would Gura my schedule and chill until they offer me amicable severance or let me continue to mooch. At the end I would have enough money to do whatever I want whenever I want too, and I wouldn't even do something dumb like buy a house for future generations.
I bet I would love black companies.

>>69256124
The really silly part of this thread isn't even that, it's that Cover's dirty laundry gets aired so often in the first place. I mean it's the most popular company around here. How could anyone forget the fucking months of Kiara taking shots at management at every possible opportunity.

>>69255067
this
this is the biggest fucking proof
just today one of starsJP got high quality 3D live with 5k (7k when towa showed up)
In niji he would get NOTHING ever

>>69256209
>nijiniggers trying to share the blame in something they know they took part in
Absolute vile scum, you should all be thrown into a pit

>>69256296
a fried chicken gets better 3D than anykara

>>69251622
>siding with Michaelcat to piss on Cover
Damn, Kurosisters are getting desperate.
The domestic abuser you're bringing up is complaining and threatening lawsuits every three seconds as a standard reaction. we saw how quickly she folded when a former coworker actually lawyers up and she's admitted to libel publicly.

>>69251622
No, next question

>>69256209
Are you ESL? He's clearly talking about staff.

>>69256223
She never went to Japan until recently and actively avoided IRL branch meetings as well. I assume they wanted to debut whole Obsydia 3D but she delayed it so they skipped it to the JP waves instead because if you skipped an EN gen it would look like favoritism.

>>69256209
>She also said hololive management was shit later.
Did she now? What exactly did she say?

>>69255806
t. Fax machine sales rep

>>69255739
Yeah the best thing to do is to just shut up and bite your tongue and let the yab die. Calling attention to it is always the worst idea. But sometimes things are so big you have to acknowledge it. In those cases it is best to rip the bandage off and take the pain and move on as quickly as possible. Poking at the wound is only going to make things worse and cause an infection.

>>69256407
The staff did very little to help Aloe. In fact they suspended her and bent the knee to the antis.

>>69255067
this lmao, its all deluded NDF sisters trash cope, ignoring a simple fact that will make their whole deflecting augument fall apart

>>69254532
holy shit i didn't know we had jeff bezos /here/

>>69256117
After watching that one video on how autistically militar the japs get about baseball I think that one was more on outside pressure than Niji. Still means they were okay with instantly sacking her and didn't even try to defend her in the slightest.

>>69256209
>Hololive also contributed too!
You guys can't help but always try to damage control, huh? I could call someone a retard, and have a contribution towards someone trying to kill themselves, but it'd still be a negligible contribution compared to the person who told them to kill themselves, how to do it, and gave them the tools needed.
>B-b-but Hololive
Neck yourself. I'll buy the rope for you.

>>69253950
too bad you can't say trap

>>69252183
The NFT-part is at least for sure.

>>69256484
She was suspended for violating her contract terms, not because antis told them to do it. If Cover actually cared about antis they would've fired Coco instead of abandoning China completely to defend her. Cope sis.

>>69251622
B b but hololive. NDF are so funny

>>69252042
The embezzlement rrat has legs alright

>>69255221
Some talents invest their own money for the custom merchs so the cuts might be variable. Lamy was saying that she put her own money to help fund the merchs.

Regardless, its fucking alot of money. A single merch run can be worth multiple months of stream income. Cover tries to maintain this tradition while simultaneously also ramping up their own official merch line like Holo Friends plushies

If you really doubt it, just check Cover’s investor report.

>>69251622
you have to be 18+ to post here

>>69256117
yeah it was fucked and she's better off now anyway so fuck them

>>69252202
Hololive does have strict NDA rules that limit what they can say. Ina told viewers that she doesn't like revealing outfits, canceled her streams for that week, and went on a sudden "health" break where she lost her work phone for 3 months. They can usually make vague complaints but management is extremely strict with certain rules. Most revenue comes from licensing and merch so they care far more about defending their brand name. HoloEN is optimistic for 2024 so management does eventually work out a deal but some of their contract disputes have been going on since at least 2021.

>>69255480
Nah, Taiwan is their learning process.

Rushia is their actual big test. Despite the controversy leading to it and hindsight, they handled Rushia’s situationso incredibly well.

>>69252042
Niji does not managment other then to say NO to things that could help the company.

Like they do no managing and yet collect almost 100% of the profits. Its basically slavery they way the contracts work as well. Its like the old 80s and 90s music industry all over again.

>>69256484
they suspended her for accidentally doing a public stream before debut.

>>69256264
I mean that's what this thread is about lol
also nobody really says you can't make money while working for a black company
it all depends

>>69255221
Depends on the project, that is the average break down.

You might get more if you invest more of your own personal money into a project. But if Holo shoulders most of the back end logistics, they take 50%

>>69253279
>The company and most of JP were probably actually really glad to have gotten rid of her. And for good reason. She's legitimately a horrible person and perpetual victim with constant sudokubaiting.
retard

>>69256820
>Ina told viewers that she doesn't like revealing outfits, canceled her streams for that week, and went on a sudden "health" break where she lost her work phone for 3 months
The stealth suspension holo schizo joined the thread, time to leave. Just saying that Vesper with the favoritism of the management, being a holostars got suspended and they clearly said in the tweet that it was for misconduct breaks every single rrat about stealth suspensions in holo

>>69256275
holos shit on management all the fucking time it's hilarious
like with whole hlztl travesty
or when EN was openly shitting on omega

>>69256832
We know that was just an excuse to let the hate towards her die down, then she was still allowed to come back but herself ended up resigning

>>69256415
Interesting. Any Proof?

Holo made several yabs but always said sorry and swore to do better, WHICH THEY DID

Never made twice the same mistake

Nijicucks made the same mistake three times in the span of barely a week.

>>69256484
Ignoring the missing context, while you shouldn't forget, if you are using present tense regarding the better company now, you do not get to use that anymore.

>>69257059
people kept asking where is Omega, them the persona returned in the comics then, never to be seen again

>>69255806
I'm a libertarian right business owner. Business changes as technology progresses. Making your American talents show up to a 1 hour long video meeting at 3am because you can't imagine that a 2 paragraph email they'll read when they wake up could be equivalent, is objectively outdated. It's extremely inefficient with the technology that now exists, and will make your employees perform worse, and hate you. The world does not revolve around Japanese business hours.
>B-but the employees might not read th-
They will if they don't want the alternative of constant 3am meetings, or to keep their jobs, which reading the emails is in fact part of.

>>69252202
Anon

Rushia is insane.

nijisisters...

>>69257059
Yeah but they actually worked to improve after incidents. Incidents are going to happen in an VT and Idol like media. Its how you handle them that matters.

Holo improves
Niji shits the bed

>>69256820
>Hololive does have strict NDA rules that limit what they can say
oh shut the fuck up retard LMAO
you literally don't watch streams

>>69256820
Why the fuck woould Ina get suspended for something as irrelevant as disliking revealing outfits when holos talk about that shit all the time you schizo? Maybe she just didn't want to stream and didn't want to say why?

>>69254532
>Dramatranny bullshit and the only thing backing that is a retarded flip who doesn't even know how to do his taxes and is now hiding in Indonesia because of it.

>>69256700
Yeah, as someone who does artist alleys at conventions, I can say that making merch is hella expensive but if you can get it to sell it is totally worth it. With the 100s of thousands of followers each holo has, I would be making my own merch too if I could.

>>69251622
So true sister!

>>69256827
by the time the Rushia incident happened, holo probably hired enough PROFESSIONALS to handle comms and pr.

something that NDF cannot comprehend, because it keeps happening to their beloved company over and over again.

>>69251622
LMAO nijifag, try hide your seethe and deflection better.

To be fair I don't believe holos get 50% of merch, or Kson was talking about the pure profit split. They also get way more from custom birthday merch than company merch.

>>69252042
This was posted before the Grand Unifying Rrat was born, it has weight from being free of any sides trying to manipulate the other via false information.

>>69256209

>>69254532
>>You get a base salary
>>You get 50% of Merch sales
>>You get to keep more of your donations and super money
>May I have a source for those claims?

Salary has been known for awhile

Kekson said she used to bitch and complain about 50% cut on merch, then walked it back when she realized how bad Niji's 2% was.

She kinda a greedy bitch imo

I'm unsure about SC and donos. News to me.

>>69256820
>Hololive does have strict NDA rules that limit what they can say.

wtf the NDF keep mentioning NDAs because they have no other argument about holo left.

i guess by their logic, since only one person from VSPO graduated means they have an ironclad NDA.

>>69257512
Holos decide their cut on merch. It's a bit more complicated than just 50%

>>69257563
I watched what aloe said about niji and it was a bit more than that...

>>69257738
who graduated from vspo?

>>69257312
That doesn't confirm the 1-3% rate. Also it's inconsistent with what Deron said about it: https://youtu.be/u2fGW5Lt9jw?t=40
>And uhh... yeah
>Goods purely designed by the Vtuber and official goods sold by Ichikara (Anycolor)
>They sometimes make a decent amount of income
There is one key difference between EN and JP in that JP livers can sell their own goods via booth, which I assume would have different rates than goods produced by the company themselves.

>>69257977
oh wait, fucking didn't read clearly.

Komori Met "graduated" from 774, then moved to VSPO. my bad.

>>69256820
>So, Ms. Ina’nis. We’ve heard you don’t enjoy revealing outfits, hm?
>W-Well, I..
>YOU’RE SUSPENDED! FOR TWO MONTHS! REFLECT ON YOUR ACTIONS, PURPLE BITCH!
>B-But, Kiara’s said..
>ADD ANOTHER MONTH!
See how stupid this sounds?

>>69258059
gendou makes more money as a literally who indie my guy

>>69257603
Unclear if Kson was talking about hololive there. Fauna and Axel don't really support that.

>>69258579
Ofc she does she's selling her ass on fanta now. She couldn't openly whore out before.

>>69251622
>People from Nijisanji at least have the freedom to complain.
>Peggers
>Foob
/thread

>>69251622
nijitrash deflection gets worse and worse.
Kiara complains over slow 3d for EN, EN gets 3Ds faster.
Calli raises concerns about travel cost for her fellow EN members, EN AND ID get subsidised travel costs.
Kiara complains that she can't collab with outsiders, increased numbers of outside collabs even with indies.

It ain't rainbows and sunshine but it sure as shit isn't hell. Who knows how shit cover is under the blanket but unlike retardosanji they sure wanna improve and do better. You know you don't have shit to say when a piece of fried fucking chicken gets their 3D faster than your bum ass golden 20.
But cover sure as shit owes myth a lot more buttkissing if you ask me.

Not a holonigger btw.

>>69258701
>She couldn't openly whore out before.
well another point to why niji is shit lol

>>69258634
Fauna was talking about the amongus merch in her example, which would have a smaller cut for the talents because the talents got paid to be a part of the sponsorship itself.

>>69258782
NDF is so used to their talents complaining with every breath that they are bewildered that Hololive talents only feel the need to do it sparingly

>>69251622
You're stupid and you obviously don't actually watch Holos but it's very funny how nobody in this thread is recognizing that this is very obviously a joke.

>>69256209
>Hololive fans tell people to kill themselves too
Meanwhile at niji
>Tomoe has to apologize after her fans sent death threats to her collab partner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYkMH9FEIsM
>Tried to disguise themselves as "hololive fans" and attack suisei
https://en.p2y.jp/slanderer-against-hoshimachi-suisei-overlapping-with-some-listeners-of-vtuber-group-nijisanji/#google_vignette

>>69251622
It's the truth but now is pretty much the worst time ever to preach it.

>>69255221
Neither Fauna nor Axel said anything outright contradict what Kson said. At most, you can argue that Fauna did bring up that the cut ratios might vary between different types of merch. Neither of them indicated or just implied that Holo merch cut for talents could go anywhere as low as 2% of profit (or of revenue, wouldn't be massively different)

>>69258059
>>And uhh... yeah
>>Goods purely designed by the Vtuber and official goods sold by Ichikara (Anycolor)
>>They sometimes make a decent amount of income
2% of merch cut is decent when you are poor anon

>>69258059
>decent
Yeah thats too vague of an answer
Meanwhile we have kuzuha confirming that he gets nada on merch sales and Mysta saying he gets 1-2% on his merch sales as well

>>69254205
>Hololive is a large part of why the golden age of vtubers is over.
ironically it's Nijisanji's fault

>>69257512
Kson clearly was talking about profit split. Of course they don't get 50% of revenue (outside of merchs they fully fund themselves).
This doesn't change anything, mind you. COGS of VTuber merchs isn't all that high. even though 50% of profit is lower than 50% of revenue, it should still be way higher than 2% of revenue

>>69251734
fpbp

>>69256542
Hard to justify it when Holo was against a literal country during fiasco and was willing to cut an entire gen in exchange

>>69256452
Lmao the moron didn't answer you

>>69259639
>>Tried to disguise themselves as "hololive fans" and attack suisei
They really shot themselves in the foot with that one huh

>>69257305
>Why doesn't Cover want Hololive talents to complain about their model design while selling millions of dollars of merch?
I guess that will be an eternal mystery since it's not like Ina has the skimpiest default outfit in Hololive. Management was okay with her complaint about revealing outfits and those winter health breaks were a total coincidence. There has never been a time when anyone in Hololive or Holostars made vague complaints about their designs on their RM accounts.

>>69260331
nijisisters really want to have aloe as their W... when they were the ones who were bullying her and ones who found out her pre debut live2d test stream in the first place

>but what about hololive
>calling girls bpd menhera whores
Yep it's a doxxsis thread

>>69260603
I think you should do more stream watching and less dumb shit posting

>>69252683
In addition the money they do take is highly reinvested into the company. Imagine any 3D past Lazulight. We have Holostars getting very high quality 3D now and they are definitely not the high earners in the company. Kiara had complaints about 3D time allotments and they changed policy months later to allow more studio time for other talents. Nijisanji cancelled their only live performance and have no unified office for EN members to do things that I know of. Both companies make you pay for your own projects, but Hololive give a much higher cut in revenue so they can make more and bigger ones.

>>69260173
Unironically it's nijisanji's fault

>>69253950
>when you try to brouch one of those topics the police dog comes and punches you in the face
giwtwm

Since this thread's talking about revenue splits, anyone got a vague guess on how many members an average liver might pull? It's not publicized information but I imagine people more involved might have a decent idea.

>>69251622
>maxresdefault (1).jpg

>>69253440
Well, they also had the incidents with both Irys and Suisei where they were in management limbo. They fixed it eventually but it's happened twice.

>>69257603
She was talking about vshojo and if you're going to use half your comment to talk shit about her, you better not quote her.

>>69256452
>>69260331
I don't have the sources in hand right now. Best I can provide are a few archive posts about it.

>Damn you hololive!
Nijisister your problem is with Doki.
We holochads are too busy with concerts, super expo and a lot of happy fun things.

>>69254205
I think they were trying to save China deals at the time. It failed and they abandoned China but it was too late. Damage done and she left for other opportunities. They responded by litigating hate comments in response to this and the Aloe situation. The difference between Niji and Holo is that Holo actually tries to fix the problems of why talents leave or have a bad time.

>>69253281
You can't believe in a single thing that she said after the last drama that she was involved in, she is literally insane.

>>69252202
Rushia broke NDA at least 4 times after getting fired and still all of those times was not to shit talk the company, even with stricter NDA is clearly that Holo just have a more competent and better company overall.

>>69256820
They don't need to do stealth suspensions like Nijisanji, Vesper is the proof of that as well as any other suspension that Hololive issued, you can go even further and look at Coco or Hachama that was the early "big yab" of Hololive and still they handled that better than people expected, Coco herself could keep working there but choose to leave.

>>69255015
Because they make so much money and don't saturate the talent market too fast. Niji did that and it shows. Also, Holo often make merch that's not shit because talents want people to actually buy it. I have not seen a single piece of official Niji merch I wanted and I'm a heavy merch buyer for Holo. If I see merch I like I buy it, no matter what talent it's attached to.

>>69256415
>actively avoided IRL branch meetings
Why would she want to meet up irl with her bullies?

>>69251734
FPBP

>>69251622
lmao, better luck next time

>>69261130
she never shittalked cover's management

>>69252042
Is this post where the NFT rumor started? When was this originally posted?

It's been said before but because Nijisanji has over one hundred talents recourses are probably stretched thin whereas Hololive should have enough money (assuming they don't flush it down the toilet on Metaverse shit) to remedy most issues before they boil to the surface

hololive
>usually is not proactive about supporting the ENs but at least doesnt hinder them or abuse them. does not pay or support any projects the ENs do
nijisanji
>black company that takes an egregious amount of revenue from talents and has an abusive workplace enviroment and powertripping managers
both shit but give me blue dorito.

>>69257303
>>69257305
I like hololive but their NDAs are worse, from an outside perspective. Mel getting graduated for breaking it is true and the company admitted to it. You can be critical of a company and still like it. Nijisanji is dog shit though.

>>69263580
>hololive
>>usually is not proactive about supporting the ENs but at least doesnt hinder them or abuse them. does not pay or support any projects the ENs do
that's not accurate tho
like literally mori just had a charity project with free shit from cover for stretch goals....
Also they do proactively support ENs (and IDs) by shoving them everywhere and bringing
them in for holofes

>>69255634
It's usually the lack of coed collabs, or the absence of actual male talents under the "Hololive" umbrella, as always.

>>69263883
anybody would be fired for breaking NDA tho... we don't know what exactly mel broke but literally EVERYBODY ceo included were upset about the situation
I imagine if it was possible not to fire her they wouldn't

>>69264010
lol
this people are so fucking annoying
this bitch never watched hololive in her life (not rly surprising)
>ever okaying someone going to *actual fucking Antarctica*
fucking lol can't make this shit up... they are so stupid

>>69251622
Poor sister you make this thread only to get shat by everyone :(

>>69264010
all that talk about gender makes it obvious that she is a turbo niji sister.their en branch is a faulty rmbk reactor with the ability to skinwalk.

>>69264010
Most of these points are nonsense, but I do worry about HoloEN stagnating without serious competition. Hopefully someone else will pose enough of a threat for them to focus on pleasing the fans and trying new things.

>>69251622
Bruh. Watch streams. Kiara complains a lot about their management lol

>>69265183
Most of the HoloEN members will stagnate if left to their own devices, but the branch as a whole can become less stagnant every time they add a wave. Look at FWMC

>>69264010
>okaying someone going to Antarctica
>implying Niji paid for any of it

>>69263215
It isn't a rumor, EN staff left for a NFT startup that failed. People checked their LinkedIn profiles to see their work history.

>>69251622
>People from Nijisanji at least have the freedom to complain.
You'd prefer drama open to the public? Clearly you are retarded.

>>69251622
No. And don't pull hollive into your ndf faggotry.

>>69264093
>anybody would be fired for breaking NDA tho...
Anybody would be warned for breaking NDA at most companies, based on what we saw at niji and every vtuber corpo so far with a few exceptions. Few people are forcefully terminated. With a bigger company they need to keep their image clean, so I don't blame them.

>>69264010
>13 likes
The people yearn for mixed gens

>>69251622
eVERYONE KNOWs this is a bait post however all fall in it. Idont know if you are a genius or an moron

eVERYONE KNOWs this is a bait post however all of them fall in it. Idont know if you are a genius or anmoron

>>69251622
I actually snorted reading this thread's title.

I did some math based from their quarterly reports that I won't elaborate on because I'm about to drive to work. Hololive most likely has worse ratios in paying their talents for everything except merchandise, but the talents are overall much more successful and supported, so the takehome is nearly triple the average Niji.

>>69251622
You're supposed to actually put bait on the hook, not just throw it into the open water

>>69258866
Its even funnier when people were bitching about no PomuKiara collab, thinking it was holo blocking it, only to be revealed that niji was the one blocking it

>>69251622
>Please I want more people shitting on Nijisanji!
are you sure?

Niji organs have no self-respect lmao

I still think that the group that is the most hurt is a huge mass of lonely males who donate their money because they are lonely and they delude themselves into thinking this will lead to something. Nobody ever cares about those guys.

>>69255634
Picrel was made forever ago for a reason obviously for shitposting purpose but still

>>69252006
Unironically, vox brought out the list of sins and it was literally just 4 times she whined.
Holos do that shit every week and it's fine.
Goldbullet literally has like a community post diary of management issues and so did vesper and the fans still like Holo.

As an American I really don't get it. And I really don't get why other talents take that so personally.

>>69264010
Yeah, that’s pretty much what I thought. Looking back, I remember that the reasons I saw being brought up for why Niji streamers were more “free” was because they had more interactions between male and female members. That fixation is so dang weird.

>>69264010
>nb or queer
They literally hired kronii.

>>69268458
Mysterio...
Man, imagine defending the company that is constantly anal raping your oshis.

>>69251622
I've yet to see Hololive do a three page assassination piece on one of their ex-livers and put a target on the back of all their other talent's in the process. Then, instead of learning that punching someone who just tried to off herself while she's down isn't a good look, they do it all over again on live stream, while bullying that same suicide victim off the air, and ending the career of at least one of their remaining livers while also putting her life in even greater danger than they did the first time around.

So no, if you value your career and life, Holo is clearly the better choice.

Not that I'm sure it doesn't have its flaws, but as Shondo once said, "You'd really have to hate yourself to join Nijisanji."

>>69256820
This retard has been peddling the most retarded shit for fucking years, why does he do it

>>69256820
for people who are curious, this autist unironically believe fagni and vesper got fired because they tried to unionize with Holo girls and help them get redesigns LMFAO

get some help you retarded schizo

>>69256820
> and went on a sudden "health" break where she lost her work phone for 3 months
Is this retard really implying that Ina got stealth suspended for 3 fucking months?

>>69251622
you can quit the smear campaign now. niji doesn't pay overtime

>>69255067
i still couldnt believe tempus got their 3d models first before luxiem like what the fuck

>>69271345
Laplus missed the HoloX anniversary collab and went on a radio silent "health" break for 3 months. That happened in late 2022 while Ina and Gura were taking "health" breaks so management was in a foul mood.

>>69272362
>tempus got their 3d models
holy fuck they actually did

>>69251622
Holo is black company, slandering Nijisanji.

>>69255221
Bullshit.
All Fauna said was that not all merch has a better cut for them then superchats, birthday and anniversary sure, depends on the merch. She didn't give any indication of actual numbers beyond that

>>69269104
You know in retrospect is hilarious how incredibly tame the perceived fuck ups that spawned that picture were compared to this current drama. It was mostly things_cover_should_do.txt which was just inaction or dumb incompetence, issues that have been mostly solved by now but never malicious or outright sabotage.

>>69252042
Wait who left in 2023 that is looking to be in HL?

>>69276063
I don't think that was a talent, given the talking points are most likely staff of some sort or maybe a sub-sub-contractor like a mod or editor.

>>69251622
Like Pomu, many Holo talents kept it behind membership streams. Prevents drama channels from using it.
But unlike NijiEN, it has brought changes to HoloEN. Kiara is now happy, as well as Gura. See how fast she got her Dino mod perm?

Let's be real, HoloEN has much less to complain about compared to NijiEN. But even then, Cover tries to solve them.

Been hard to tell who is boss, Gura or Cover?

>>69265899
Cover is a tech company btw

>>69261331
I seriously don't believe you asshats have brains.
Coco INTENTIONALLY drew the ire of Chinese antis so they wouldn't target other livers. The 2 week suspension was due to chinese shareholders, who were refunded and kicked when they suggested firing both Coco and Haato.
Coco also left after she established the EN Branch, which was her goal. she fulfilled her ambition and retired as the First and Best OG, and the only vtuber with an open return invitation.

>>69277301
>Literally larping as Kiryu by noping the fuck out after drawing all the fire
Yeah that checks out

>>69277301
>Coco also left after she established the EN Branch
Yeah, the branch that she wasn't even allowed to collab with until the very last week. And the collabs were awkward af because they barely knew eachother. It was so sad to watch

/thread

>>69269758
Mumei and Fauna will fix her.

>>69264010
That she believes this shows that she is a newfag in this hobby

>>69273327
That's because they are lazy and didn't want to work.

>>69264010
>Hololive
>The sterile corporate face of vtubing

>>69251622
I see all the other angles have failed so now NDFdoxxsistercord is doing the good ol' holo vs niji instead.

>>69251622
I just need to say one thing, 2%

>>69251622
So true OP, hoping to see the next waves soon of eager vtubers joining Niji!

>>69259639
There an article that nijifan harrasing laplus during holo x niji joint concert, they iron out the culprit detail of who, when, how he do it by pinpoint his tweet. It got delete. I wish people did save it.

>>69254858
not been pussies and cucked to china

>>69254205
>Golden age of vtubers is over
Hololive has far surpassed the "golden age" you speak of, it's far more popular then it was in 2021.
>B-BUT MU INDIES AND NIJ-AAAEEEEKKKKKK
Everything other then hololive is shit in the industry, kys faggot.

>>69257516
>Unbiased
>Selen

>>69255039
>Hololive improves it's management
>B-BUT THEY DID SOMETHING BAD 4 YEARS AGO SO ITS THE SAME NOW!!
The ndf sister screams as it clutches the last straw she can find to justify her miserable existance.

>>69253172
>You get 50% of Merch sales
I believe talents get more of a percent if they fund the merch out of pocket (I think my source is coco, it was a while ago), so I'd say variable is more accurate.

>>69257332
It's not really as expensive for corpos because they have deals with factories, safe to say if the talents invest like 10k they can easily get like 5X returns.

Kiara literally talked today about how many managers and how much training they get now. Meanwhile Anycolor is hiring students for 7 dollars an hour.

>>69284661
Have a rough idea of when she had that talk? Was at work but am very interested

>>69256452
I’m fairly certain she said the exact opposite, Cover bent over backwards to accommodate her as much as they could. They offered to let her stream from the studio and even changed her locks to prevent her stepdad from interfering with her streaming (she wasn’t willing to move out for fear that he’d take it out on the rest of the family). What got her to quit was when he bypassed the lock by breaking through the wall.

>>69253950
You can only talk about politics if you are woke

>>69255980
>>69255948
>not a real job
He means they're contractors, as opposed to employees.

>>69251622
Nijisanji = black
Hololive = grey
Nijisanji's black practices are obvious, but hololive is a mixed bag. Reminder that coco gave cover management a list of troll accounts to ban that spammed her chat during the taiwan yab and cover made them all mods instead.

>>69286875
> Reminder that coco gave cover management a list of troll accounts to ban that spammed her chat during the taiwan yab and cover made them all mods instead.
How long will you faggots keep pretending that an innocent mistake was actually malicious? Not even Coco / Kson hold it against them

>>69280884
https://files.catbox.moe/jvvrgw.jpg

>>69264010
This person needs to do their reps forgetting forgetting the legacy of the Oozura family
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v06BUq24lLg

>>69254532
To start off, Cover's margin is actually lower than that

Threadly reminder that Vox akuma is a pedophile

>>69264010
God these twitter freaks, for a lack of a better name, are always so insufferable. Its always the same. Jump into a hobby they don't give a shit about and change it for the worst. It is the death knell of all hobbies. I used to think gatekeeping was wrong. How naive i was.

>>69284354
Oh yeah definitely. And also where I would have to make the items and hope to sell it, they can do a mock up of the item and sell it before manufacturing to get the exact amount needed.

>>69280605
>That's because they are lazy and didn't want to work.
So these vtubers with thousands of fans went radio silent for several months because they suddenly felt lazy? I am skeptical of the official explanation when that happens regardless of the company. NijiEN is far worse since their issues are throughout the company but even 2 months ago HoloEN was staying up into the middle of the night because they were that worried over management decisions.

>>69255067
The only short end of the stick for Holostars is that they are lower on the priority list for Cover, which is a sensible decision all things considered.
It doesn't change the fact that they do get the same things that the Hololive girls get, 3D debut, new outfits, merch, support from their managers, etc etc.

>>69256002
>stronger together mentality
This is actually mentioned within one of Cover's financial reports as one of the explanations why they market talents as a group, most of the time via their Generation model, but also via organically formed groups such as ShiraKen or Bakatare.
The explanation goes along the line of presenting a stronger image by putting the talents regardless of their popularity together in marketing. This way the weak members get a boost from being alongside the strong members, and the overall cost is still the same as if you market just only the weak members. This effect is especially obvious in Holostars, where the bulk of their marketing involves as many talents they can squeeze into the campaign. Holostars members' strong tight knit bonds makes such campaigns even more effective.
I'd wager this mentality is exactly why the agency has much more centralised operation with the number of internal collabs, making it extremely easy to expose yourself to the entire agency's lineup of talents if you follow even just 1 of them from the start.

>>69287135
>an innocent mistake
remember when Cover intentionally violated the copyrights of dozens of video game companies by failing to ask permission to stream and monetize their content and then pretended they didn't know they had to do it because their streamers are contracted?

>>69251734
Fippy bippy

>>69297999
Do youtubers usually need perms to monetize content of let’s plays?

>>69299311
In Japan they do

>>69252202
>Rushia was fucking pissed at hololive,

She said one point of her termination statement was wrong but she never said that Hololive was a bad company. Kson still praises Hololive. Mumei said recently that she would have quit vtubing if it wasn't for Hololive. Akai haato said that management helped her tremendously during her hiatus.

>>69299929
What Mumei said was she would have quit whatever job she’d had to do the stuff she’s been doing outside of streaming, but Hololive is the exception. Still proves your point about the company, but that statement keeps finding new ways to get misquoted.

>>69299311
Technically? Yes (both in and outside of JP, "Fair Use" isn't as good of an excuse as people think). Most of the time corpos just don't bother, though.
In an extreme example, there was a guy who got arrested in JP in 2023 for uploading his full playthrough of Steins;gate

>>69251734
FPBP

>>69251622
Take your meds anon...
That's one hard delusion you hare having right now.

>>69252202
>bring up Rushia
anon…. You already lost all argument….

>>69251622
Oh wait, you're serious?

>>69251622
This is getting sad, Millie.

>>69254205
This is something like copypasta at this point, no one even bother to explain it

>>69292845
A fun note about these numbers is that they can paint a good picture of an average vtuber's pay in their companies. The important aspects being net revenue, number of talents, and remuneration. In Holo's case, their financial slides paint this pretty clearly:
>19,225m JPY net revenue FYTD
>86 Talents
>roughly 30% of costs going to talent remuneration
They also cut up the revenue sources in other slides - overall this paints the picture that the average for a Holo member is about $336k USD a year. Given that we also know the revenue generated by a Holo member, you can paint a reasonable picture of company cuts too - I'd guess Holo's get between 15-20% on most revenue sources for a total of about a 16.5% share of total revenue goin their way.

On the Niji side...
>15,487m JPY net revenue 6mo period
>180 active talents
>Don't have the cut going to talent remuneration, but Doki's oft quoted 200k profit last year can fill that part of the equation
Assuming CAD, and assuming she was a higher earner than average (just on raw sub count), each talent is worth about 1.14m USD yearly on average, and probably earns about 130k USD, which is about a 11.3% share of overall revenue. This is also in line with being about 25% of their "operating profit" per their financial report going towards talent remuneration. This is much more of an assumption than the Holo one though since the split is all based on one person's throwaway comment about what they made, which leaves room for a lot of variables. It could be that person was incorrect, they could've meant USD, they could've just been given much lower of a share than other talents, any of those could mean Niji actually spends a greater portion of their operating budget on talent remuneration. But it all seems to fit pretty well.
If you assume the 200k was USD, Niji's revenue split would actually be pretty on par with Holo's, they just make less per talent.

>>69251622
If by work at you mean the employees then yeah, Cover excepts you to excel rather than coasting unlike Anycolor where everyone is on minimum wage

oh great the twitter fags are here.

>>69302649
>you can paint a reasonable picture of company cuts too
>I'd guess Holo's get between 15-20% on most revenue sources for a total of about a 16.5% share of total revenue goin their way.
i did make a rough guess prior to that chart

>>69251734
this

>>69287624
Only proving his point. Both sides are sterile

>>69304430
Spreadsheets are fun! I guess the interesting part for me is that despite what gets thrown around, and in light of Doki's number probably being in USD just because it's the common currency, Niji doesn't seem to actually be taking more money from their talents than Holo, they're just worse at cultivating them to be successful - instead focusing on quantity. There's definitely variables I just can't account for though, like the apparent salary Holo gives and how that works. I'd guess it's like an earnings floor mainly designed to protect talents that are just starting out and ones that are on hiatus. Elsewise Holo's revenue split would probably be worse than 16.5% and closer to something like 12%, depending on what the salary is.
It's also been illuminating just how much room there is to staff well - when I was thinking about this yesterday I felt like needing an opex budget of 5.5mil to staff an EN branch was unreasonable, but it's really not - by Niji's own financial docs, if you assume everyone in EN was dead-on average, they'd generate like 25mil yearly.

>>69286875
It's a mis-click you dumb fuck.
Why nijinigger keep digging this molehill and die on it when it's already got disproved for 3 years already.

>>69258529
Sounds pretty based to me

>>69251622
no are you a retard

>>69283449
They nuked the entire branch. What do you think lying like that will do for you?

>>69251622
This is just sad

>>69255221
They get significantly less of a cut on things like the in-stock acrylic stands that they pump out basically monthly at this point, and for items during company wide events like HoloSummer. The talents could get around 10% and it would still be good because of how dirt cheap those are to produce and the talents only need to do the bare minimum of shilling them for 2 minutes on stream, I wouldn't be surprised if it's among the most profitable items on their merch catalog.

>>69269712
I think it’s mostly believing that talents only avoid it cuz of pressure from unicorns, cuz many people in real life are friends with both men and women, so unless they just hate men there’s no real reason for it to be so heavily avoided, even if they’re not going out of their way to do it, it’d naturally happen at least once in a while unless they were actively avoiding it. And also just a belief that this type of gender segregation is archaic and unnecessary.

>>69255276
>>69255380
botted currency

>>69299311
Sorta. That's why "streaming guideline" exist.

Most company don't bother to chase tons of small individuals that may not be able to pay out. You can't enslave people if they cannot pay out, that's why some try to declare bankruptcy to escape court punishment.

But Cover is only 1 company, that company actually have money, and its easy to go after a single entity.

>>69264010
>gender
>muh gender
>males
>males
>muh gender
Jesus Christ can this literal faggot with his troon flag an hero already?
These are the faggots watching homos.

>>69256296
But what spend that money on payroll when you could pay min wage, have high turnover, an get a yacht?
Also yes, even ethyria are likely making almost 100k a year in a cushy fake job. Even aster is likely making 50k/yr.

>>69313951
But why spend*
oops

>>69266859
And it's all himself on alt accounts

>>69253172
Call it gross bias but just look at fucking HOLOSTARS for proof that cover (or atleast homosimp yagoo) REALLY cares about their talents, Fucking UYU who hasn't gotten over 100k subs in 2 fucking years, Somehow who can barely hit 3view status on an average day, got a 3d and a feature in multiple concerts, Not to mention the entire REST of holostars and all the stuff they get, Like.. Yeah nijisanji you'd get more "exposure" But hololive you actually get paid, and you basically get paid to BE a 2-3view, There is no contest

>>69287135
>innocent mistake
Wtf are you talking about. You need to stop huffing copium. Like how do you even explain it and not sound retarded?
>Oh sorry I keep misclicking really hard, oopsie another misclick oh my bad lol and im not going to fix it teehe see you tomorrow!

>>69305831
>>69316303

>>69251622
Retarded Nijifag so mindbroken by his corpo's demise that he resorts to pulling shit out of his ass
Pathetic.

>>69260046
>Slave wages are literally better than starving anon
Fuck off 3rd world SEANigger, Unlike your inbred ass, People have standards here

>>69273503
ARMIS will fucking get their 3d models before luxium does, Especially when the branch dissolves and i will die laughing

>>69251622
How does it feel to simp for a black corpo that pays you in EXPOSURE, Niji bootlicker?

>>69251622
is this the latest sister tactic?

>>69251622
You gotta try harder than this, elira

>>69251622
Peopwe fwom nijisanji at weast have the fweedom to compwain.

meanwhiwe peopwe fwom howowive, they awe awways smiwing, even those who got fiwed.

ruwshia and mew got fiwed, buwt they nevew said anything negative fwom howowive.

howowive pwobabwy has an swavewy contwact whewe nobody can say bad stuwff abouwt them....
it is puwwe dictatowship.

>>69269533
he referenced the voice pack and she didnt even whine about it. All she said is it was her fault that she couldnt submit her recording before the deadline.
It's like smoking gun number 1 for me why I think it's a script wrote by nijisanji. Only they would be keeping of something so shit and minor and has nothing to do with Vox.

>>69251622
Holo is more restrictive in terms of content but also much much more competent and professional, that much is clear. For a job, I'd 100% prefer the one with less mismanagement. As a viewer, lack of slut talk and less shipping with boys is totally fine by me.

>>69254532
>posts baseless or outright false claims
>demands source on common knowledge
Sasuga NDF. Continue to not even clipwatch and lurk moar twitter

>>69256264
Good luck getting scammed then, black corpo lover.

>>69270641
Those guys were Luca-tier creeps who kept showing up on the girls' streams uninvited. I'm glad both of them got booted out of the corpo.

>>69316303
>>69316348
Grasp at straws harder, Njijicuck.

>>69251622
nijicope, how much does kurosanji pay you

>>69251622
maximum delusion

>>69253279
>zaion's malicious termination letter
Found zaion.
You're still a dumb cunt who actively fucked up. Selen getting screwed does not exonerate you, you dumb twat.

>>69251734
Fpbp

>>69319357
Try watching streams, you dumb twat.

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