/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>69249826 (Me)
It's important to note that this is not an isolated incident. Attached in picrel is my greentext of Pomu's statements about her own "hellish" experience (her word!) in being cockblocked about releasing a music video when management demands changes at the last minute. Timestamp available here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH18r3r5W-A&t=9917s

Nijisanji and their livers want you to believe is was an isolated incident. They want you to believe it was something no one else had a problem with except Selen. They want you to believe she's just a menhera bitch who couldn't follow the rules, and for everyone else it's just sunshine and rainbows.
If that's really true, why do we have Pomu, right here, going through the same struggles as Selen? You can see the suffering in her words. You can hear the pain in her voice. Do they honestly expect us to believe Selen wasn't going through the same thing?

>>69249826
Who requested in particular to take down the video and why?

>>69249826
management doesnt have the balls to tell the true reason the mv was privated lol

>>69249826
You're overreaching.
>"it was going to be made public again once the checks had cleared"

>The video is set to private until I got [sic] confirmation.
>There is also chance [sic] you might need to adjust it before setting to public again.

I don't see that as a contradiction.

>>69250125
it'd be hilarious if niji's next move is to point at nina and mysta and say "they didn't want to be included in the video"

>>69249826
Elira stated that there was information in Selen's document that ALLUDED TO (emphasis mine) where she and Millie lived, and that she viewed this as a threat to their safety. However per Doki's subsequent statement no addresses were included in the document; in light of this Elira's statement is clearly using weaselly language to create an imagined threat of doxxing where none existed, "alluding to" where they live could simply mean the city or even the country, in addition to the fact that the document was never meant to be published or shared outside of the legal team/management.
Additionally their statement on the termination they said that Selen's actions "could potentially lead to the violation of third-party rights, including copyrights" again obscuring the fact that there were in fact no such violations as shown by their only objection being the use of the company's own IP
If the facts were on ANYCOLOR's side, why do they feel the need to twist the truth in this way?

>>69249826
Also why do they have Private coms of her and her manager. Why has no one asked this yet.

Does this mean the other TALENT was always watching her communications with the manager.

>>69250582
sisters are already spreading this narrative

>>69249826
even i think this is a stretch

>>69250211
Tell me, how does the cow result in better team performance?

>>69250919
JP staff always use "it might not be possible" and similar to say no. They actively avoid saying no directly and beat around the bush instead. Anyone who's studied even N5 Japanese will know this.

>>69250794
>Also why do they have Private coms of her and her manager. Why has no one asked this yet.
Because their manager gave them to her?

>>69251269
>AR live is postponed

>>69249826
I thought about giving this a rest, since things have quieted down. But it's time to get digging again, there's no way these fuckers should be able to get away with it.

>>69251269
Tokugawa did his job TOO well. He cut the fangs out of the Japanese.

what kind of manager doesnt follow the projects of the person he is supposed to manage? Why wasnt he aware of the contents of the video far far before it was made? Why didnt he investigate how the project was going and what was inside the cover video before the final video? Your job as a manager is to make things possible and not deny everything at the last turn because you are incapable of doing your job. If that manager had asked about "What is this cover project about? What are your plans for the MV if there is gonna be one?" this couldve been avoided but because anycolor apparently hires high schoolers that use DeepL to converse with adults from overseas, these kinds of things got neglected and the fault for this was pushed onto the talent.

>>69250211
Well, that's quite clear. A rule forbidding to show ex-members which was approved mid-project.

It doesn't make sense, since the company owns the IP for the characters and all the materials produced. But dumb rules and Japanese companies go together hand in hand.

>>69251329
i still think this is a reach but that's a great point lmfao

>>69249864
All of the NDF's arguments about the Selen incident require you to forget about all of the Livers who have matched parts of Selen's stories. The reason they are hyperfocused on the video issue is so they don't start having to defend the claims made by Zaion, Pomu, Nina, and others, or explain why Nijisanji doesn't pay artists and ignores its financial obligations.

Because as soon as people realize it's a pattern of malicious behavior with this company, they have to make insane assertions like "Well ackshually, it's all a conspiracy by these ex-employees working together to defame the company!"

>>69250582
They weren't employees anymore
>goo goo gaba gee gee

>>69251269
it's almost like EN talents should get EN staff so these kinds of language barriers don't happen.

how is it the trash taste guys made billions of hours of commentary about mikeneko but somehow this doesn't get talked about or alluded to at all. not that they'd say anything intelligent mind, but it makes me wonder how strong Niji is.

>>69249826
So here's the thing. It doesn't matter if there was a permissions issue or not. Anycolor could have said yes, Anycolor could have said no. It's utter nonsense to believe that her manager needed to wait until the last minute to check for said permissions from upper management.
>but she only posted the video a few days before
Yes. The FINAL version. There is no power on this earth that can convince me that a MV that has been planned since 2022 didn't at least have a storyboard. This shit went through iteration after iteration. And through all that time her manager never thought to check if it was okay to include certain characters? No. I'm not buying it. They could have checked an entire YEAR before it was due to release and cleared it with the suits.

This wasn't incompetence. This was power harassment. Doki was already planning to graduate. They waited till she was ready to release her farewell gift to her fans. They ghosted for over a day, gave her a bullshit excuse to stall for time, and went right on back to ghosting her. All so she couldn't release it on time. One last "fuck you" to the person they had been bullying for months if not years.

>>69251716
It's a bit of a reach because the public statement was "cancelled" but Pomu and some others were coping about "postponed", possibly because management gave them false hope with some vague statements

>>69251815
Again, if it's a reach, it isn't management speak, and Vox was telling the truth that they intended to release it, why the fuck did they tell her that in the first place?

>>69251697
We have no idea when this "rule" was created. It could be that the rule was created ex-post facto to develop an excuse to private the video.

Given that Nijisanji has a tremendous hateboner for Selen and has repeatedly played games with the truth in public statements, I simply don't believe anything they say about this situation anymore.

>>69251870
Sadly, all this mismanagement only makes sense from the optics of being bullied by the company, or a total incompetence improper of a multi-million company.

>>69251648
The same manager that declined Pomu’s once in a life time opportunity, which rrats are saying might have been the Metal Gear collab that Calli got instead. Probably too lazy to do actual work and just get a paycheck

>>69251847
https://youtu.be/dioLMAFciJM?si=sgwzbNk-ARApkpxg
Connor says he can't talk about it without getting in trouble.
But then Joey made a video about Rushia and said that Cover fired Rushia for having a relationship and got away with it scot free.

>>69251870
Don't forget that they did something similar to Pomu's AKIBerse MV, and she had to rush out the changes before she graduated.

>>69252168
It takes one twisted son of a bitch to decline a collab and let your direct competitor get it instead. That's genuine spite. You hate that person so fucking much that you would rather fail at your job, risking being fired, than allow them some happiness.

>>69252246
Connor is friends with the mouse and the mouse is part of the clique. People thinking this problem is silo'ed to Niji are not thinking about the big pic.

The exposé won't be about Selen but about the rot at the core of the Vtuber community.

The coffee boy is about to expand being flesh influencers and coin scams.

>>69252347
This is one of the reasons the Gurrat exists. A lot of this is explainable if Elira or other Livers were managers. They would be motivated financially to destroy other Livers to steal their views, subs, and SCs and motivated personally to destroy them for daring to be more popular than the Liver who is managing the branch.

An actual manager is expect to look after the company's interests and help their team succeed. A Liver is motivated to do the exact opposite.

>>69252246
Cover wouldn't bother to chase Joey because of the menhera girl because she was already terminated. She's not their problem anymore.

>>69249826
>>The video is set to private until I got [sic] confirmation.
>They did not intend to unprivate the video once routine checks had occurred
What do you call this retardation?

>>69252246
I donno who Joey is but everything he says in this makes sense.

>>69251847
Cover is nowhere NEAR as lawsuit happy as Niji is. They're just a massive ass headache to deal with and they do it to intimidate more than seek damages

>>69249826
You also need to remember that management didn't "warn her"
They only said a thing after her Tweet, it was in response to after she already tweeted

>>69252246
it only proves that cover is not as black

>>69252536
Well Doki did play Arkham Asylum yesterday. A game where the guards are corrupt, the boss is embezzling funds, and the inmates run the asylum. Might be onto something there.

>>69252504
This is true. We saw with how Sayu was blacklisted that the reach of the clique is far. Vshojo is complicit

>>69252246
It's amazing the more you learn about Japanese law the more you can hate it.

>>69252246
He works for Kadokawa.

>>69253149
I was thinking about that earlier.

>>69252246
Difference is that Connor is there in a working Visa due to Kadokawa and this is still ongoing, let's say in the case of AnyColor going wild like with False and striking them and even filling a lawsuit from defamation, he's at the risk of deportation due to it. Joey has a Japanese Citizenship, he can talk all he wants and at worst risk his job, but no one and not even Cover bats an eye, because it's already something that happened and they have already terminated her, at worst Mike could sue Joey but she has bigger problems than him.

>>69249826
>>69249864
>>69251769
keep up the good work against NDF, their blatant misinformation campaign is disgusting and deserves call-outs like this.

>>69252504
>>69253162
This. Reminder Vshojo fucked people over and swept it under the rug, like the Nux thing.

>>69249826
>>69249864
selen is the traitor and thats is the end of it

>>69251847
>>69252246
>>69252504
>>69253162
Always remember these conflicts of interest when the eventual PuppetGate occurs. Something tells me they're going to dishonestly try to manipulate their audience. I personally don't mind people sharing their side of the story but it shouldn'y be dishonestly twisted like how Nijisanji has handled it the past few months

>>69252504
>and the mouse is part of the clique.
Now that's a spicy rrat, except she can't be because she doesn't read her discord messages and ghosts literally everyone and anyone. It's why her company nearly imploded.

>>69249864
This was the thing that always got me. I have no idea how Nijisisters can even attempt to claim that “Selen only sent the finished video a day in advance” when we know for a fact that Niji will go out of their way to wait until the last second to make changes. I imagine the video Selen sent was after management doing exactly what they did to Pomu, telling her to change things at the last second, to her and she did and sent it in for one final review. Only to be told muh permissions for an IP Anycolor owns themselves.
The video Selen sent has a (1) which could be indicative of what I’m theorizing, since it means she would have needed to download a file with that same name at least twice. I suspect the video editor kept the file name the same before and after making adjustments to it.

>>69252018
something I just noticed is Selen mentioned graduated members "will be shown in future works"; if Selen was aware of the contents of projects others were doing, why wouldn't her manager be aware of the contents of her project ahead of time and raise the issue at the last minute?

>>69254727
I feel like nobody should be surprised by this bullshit card. I think everyone at some point in their lives have been bullshitted around only to receive a new deadline on something they had to do because of some other fuckup or person's incompetence. Right?

>>69252504
The plot thickens!

>>69254844
I can't believe this has to be said this often, but productions have storyboards. Management had to have known who was in the video before artists started drawing. Coming up with this nitpick at the 11th hour is malicious. I'd have quit on the spot. I'd have uploaded the video, too. Fuck employers like this.

>>69254020
>people over and
Yeah, Vshojo rather blatantly purged everyone who wasn't part of the Mouse clique. It's kind of better this way, since at least everyone in Vshojo knows what it is now, but still, not great.

>damning evidence against nijisanji
>uhh but what about vshojo? maybe they did it!
Try harder next time, NDF.

>>69249826
Your screenshot and Vox's statement don't contradict each other you fucking retard.

>>69254130
Shut the fuck up enna

nigga this is the 10th time you've talked about the black screen video. this shit is boring as fuck.

>>69252246
Joey is mentally challenged, he can't be held accountable for what he says.

>>69256136
Explain to me how "they always intended to publish the video" and "you will maybe need to change it" don't contradict each other.

>>69250525
Not OP, but I assume anon meant the semantics on the sentence
Vox uses "the checks", as in the final checks, when the manager uses "the adjustments"
Those could be the same thing, at face value, but those could also be different things

Occam's just says Vox is a retard (or whoever wrote his piece for the black screen) and made a bad choice of words

>>69251847
>>69252246
That's why I hate these morons, they're fucking cowards who pretend to be heroes.

>>69254130
This isn't fucking among us, there's no traitor here, she got fucked by a shitty company like multiple others and same company proceeded to destroy itself in retardation. Calling her a traitor really shows how you have a 5 year olds perspective on this shitshow.

>>69252504
Holy shit

Unrelated to the thread, I just want say, that I want to fuck Scarle's tits they look so inviting and tantalizing, man I want to suck and fuck to fun bags.

>>69256355
The checks are what the manager refers to as "confirmation". He or she then implies there will have to be "adjustments", just like the Pomu video.

>>69252168
the more likely rrat is it was a collab with the idol group pomu connected with, and that management shot it down because they're signed to a competing record label

>>69252504
coffee boy?

>>69256283
Because the video will go up after it's been checked or after hypothetical change is made. A contradiction would be management telling her to scrap the video entirely.

>>69256283
This is nitpicking. The only thing this highlights is that Vox technically said something untrue, but the general sentiment behind his statement is clear about the option being open.
I'm all for crucifying Vox for other reasons, but something needlessly petty like this is the exact kind of shit people point to in order to discredit points being made by convincing people ALL the arguments against Vox & Co. are just as petty.

>>69256784
Same

>>69251697
Didn't that one bitch with the rose over her eye release an MV with graduated livers in it after this hot coffee situation with no issue?
Why would perms for a design that Any Color owns be an issue? None of this shit makes any sense.

>>69256969
and then another change is needed at the last minute as confirmed by pomu

>>69257092
She recorded it with Pomu before she left. Pomu was literally a participant. Look for later releases if you want to see whether Selen's point was legit

>>69257092
the only thing that makes sense in all of this is that anycolor is/was determined to assassinate doki

Seeing the NDF trying to lie so pathetically to bury the GURRAT is truly a sight to see, never forget how badly the seamonkeys fucked up.

>>69249826
Vox is a massive retard, but this ain't it.

The only confirmed contradiction (which is a soft rrat on itself) is that Vox implied there was contact between the livers and Selen after suspension, the implication that made Doki reveal her second attempt.

>>69256969
Why does it have to go that far to be a contradiction? Forcing her to go back to her artists and change the video to suit management's tastes is bad enough.
>>69256975
It's not nitpicking. Vox is trying to imply if Selen had just submitted the video earlier, or waited for confirmation, it would have been released. In reality Niji wanted her to go back to the drawing board and edit the video before it ever went public.

>>69252347
Rrat: The Clique is responsible for blocking Hololive/NijiEN collabs because Selen and Pomu were the most requested. Mori said she wanted to collab with Enna and Reimu but after the ban was lifted she never did because Pomu speaks to Kiara(Kiara knew about Pomu graduation months in advance of the announcement) and Kiara speaks to Mori.

>>69257176
And Selen started her MV before some of those people left. And it took a long time to cook.

>>69257165
Or no change is needed and the video goes up as confirmed by Maria.

>>69257242
That is what is becoming more clear by the day. That AnyColor actually wanted to destroy Selen.

>>69256793
Not that "there will have to be", rather "might need to". Not a guarantee.

>>69257346
problem.
Nerissa collabed with Reimu, and she literally worships Kiara.

>>69249826
Contradictions aside, the leaks show that the entire process was designed by someone who doesn't know how MVs are made and it ends up generating needless expenses for the talents. If they don't like who or what is in the animation, they need to raise concerns at the storyboard stage.
This is almost certainly the reason Pomu had problems with her last MV, where she had to cut out parts of a completed animation and replace them with loops. Do the people making those decisions have any industry experience?

>>69257425
Either way, there was never a plan to release the video. The narrative about "Selen just needed to wait for confirmation", the entire point of Vox's statement, is false. They were at the very least considering demanding changes, and considering the circumstances, almost certainly would have demanded changes.

>>69257348
Well apparently some people didn't want to be in her MV

>>69257346
More likely that Mori is literally too busy for all of that shit

>>69257583
>Either way, there was never a plan to release the video.
Proof?

>>69256907
>Journalist
>Coffee
>Focus on NFT/Coins

>>69257337
>Why does it have to go that far to be a contradiction?
Because it doesn't matter if a revision needs to be made. They intended for the video to be published. Naturally a contradiction would be if they actually had no intention for the video to be published to begin with.

>>69257671
The proof is they literally said it.

>>69257356
was that shitty mv rereleased? no? not even after a month long suspension? lmao

>>69257746
Proof that "they" said "we're never going to allow you to release this"?

>>69257348
>took a long time to cook
About this...

>>69257802
Because she decided to make everything more difficult by telling people to reupload it and then trying to kill herself.

>>69257718
Do you realize that "revisions" cost money? Keep in mind the video has unique animations throughout and removing scenes would require removing animations and looping old ones.
As a matter of fact, that's exactly what happened with Pomu's video.

>>69257718
The MV was done. Demanding changes at this stage is pure spitefulness (or incompetence...).

>>69257847
They didn't say that, they just demanded changes to the video they had no involvement with and didn't pay for.

What happened to Hex being the manager rrat because of his PL name matching the screenshot?

>People spam Anycolor's inbox wondering where the cover went
>They get the same boilerplate "soon after we get perms ;)" response every time for the entire time Selen is suspended

They would literally never get perms to release the full video. Selen said she wanted everyone to be in the video but a few people clearly did not want to appear in the video (Selen was widely disliked and people were asking her to graduate)
It's not a matter of waiting, it's a matter of somehow patching up whatever relationship went sour enough to release the video as it was originally and sometimes that just doesn't work
I have no idea what is going on behind the scenes but "a majority of them want me out" really shows the reason why she said "fuck it" and told people to reupload - Her relationships with everyone were in shambles and those are perms she would never be able to get.

>>69257802
>was that shitty mv rereleased
No need. It was checked and uploaded after being approved. Simple as.

>>69254130
I imagine anyone who leaves the cult is a traitor to you Nijisisters.

>>69257911
So this artist didn't get the needed paperwork for this work until last month?

>>69257943
Sounds like maybe she should have submitted the artwork for checking ahead of time. And she didn't, because in the termination notice, management said they didn't receive the materials for the music video until December 24th.

>>69257847
Here's the funny thing
Selen paid for the MV.
It's not paid by Niji and was not covered by NDA (see here >>69257911).
So technically , selen telling ppl feel free to reupload it doesn't break any company rule actually. Because it's not niji property and none of the contents is under Niji's contract.

>>69258048
Can't prove 100% and nothing comes out of this.
Also I don't trust LK now.

>>69256969
You obviously don't understand how Japanese culture works. They never directly say no, they simply use soft language and make the onus on you to quit.

Hence why the AR Concert is "postponed", not cancelled.

>>69254727
>>69254927
>I think everyone at some point in their lives have been bullshitted around only to receive a new deadline
Corpo slave, this is relateable. Seen my fair share of insufferable management being too demanding, too rigid, too incompetent at communicating clearly. But the thing is, not once have my coworkers ever taken management's side and tried to convince me that I was the problem, or that I need to follow directions better. The EN clique really has no business getting so invested in the role of being management mouthpieces unless they had a hand in making the other livers' work difficult.

>>69258246
That's a different argument from "they were always going to release it, Selen just had to wait for the perms".
Vox lied.

>>69258043
>they just demanded changes
They didn't know? They said they might have to, not that they needed to.

>>69258004
>>69257943
Except the need for a revision is only a hypothetical. Because the video would need to be checked in the first place.

>>69258172
(Here's a better translation)
Yes, by the looks of it Selen personally pushed to get the project done and paid out of her own wallet.

>>69258172
I think their whole pipeline is just fucked. These contracts are probably required for transferring full commercial rights in jp or whatever, but since it takes ages nobody really bothers about it.

>>69258330
Anon, when you Japanese manager says "you might need to make changes", that their polite way of telling you "you need to make changes".

>>69257521
No, the management turnover in NijiEN is actually worse than the livers. But in their case it's not so much jumping ship but getting the boot before they can reach full time employment status. Typical corpo shit.

>>69258322
>Vox lied.
Nope, because the perms got checked and there was no issue. All Selen had to do was wait.

>>69257911
Clique AKA NotManagement just "forgot" about his email. :^)

>>69258330
The fact they let it get all the way to completion before claiming changes may need to happen, instead of taking care of that before 15K was spent, paints management as so painfully inept that it cannot be anything other than malevolence.

>>69258443
Yes, personal projects are personally paid by the talent. Not sure what the argument here is.

>>69258355
Then why did Vox say
>it was going to be made public again once the checks had cleared
>management absolutely intended to let her release the cover
It seems obvious they didn't intend anything, they were going to check it and """hypothetically""" demand changes.

>>69258628
> Trusting what Vox is saying
Yeah, Vox fucking "there's no favoritism" Akuma

>>69258517
Not according to management.

>>69252246
There are big differences between the two situations right now. Rushia situation is not exactly ongoing, there has been statements from both sides (even going as far as affirming the other side) AND most importantly Mikeneko is not backed by any big company. Plus at the moment based on recent and past news, courts are not going exactly well for Mikeneko. So even if you are in Japan with the retarded defamation laws, you can talk about Rushia/mfmf without worrying at all (as long as you aren't schizoing).
I am 95% certain that no one from the trash taste will make a video about nijisanji right now, unless the video is just reading word by word the public statements made so far. Also Nijisanji already has experience in striking down drama videos on youtube and trying to get channels taken down.

>>69258517
You mean, arbitrarily wait while they dick her around and hope they'll stop fucking with her before she graduates. This whole "we totally would have released it eventually, so we technically weren't lying" is the most obvious bullshit only doxxsisters would try to push.

>>69258694
Management said wait, she didn't wait, she got burned. That's all on her.

>>69258246
They didn't receive the Final draft. And they only showed us a narrow picture, rather than showing us the story board, the initial drafts, or the entire communication that made them decide to hold up a MV at the deadline.

>>69258762
They also demanded changes. That's all on them.

>a lot of niji rrats popping up
what a rrat race

>>69258517
The funniest part for me about this debacle was the absolute confusion tourists had around perms for what from whom. It's even funnier when you consider the ex-members she needed perms from probably ghosted the perm request because NijiEN sent it which launched all this, an absolute clown show all around.

>>69258737
>is the most obvious bullshit only doxxsisters would try to push.
Yeah they're trying very hard right now.

>>69250125
Probably a counterargument to the latest firehose of NDF walls of text.

>>69258762
Ok Millie, but gloating on twitter was stupid.

>>69258737
Meanwhile, dramafaggots like yourself a trying to push that they wouldn't release it based off... what, your feelings?

>>69258161
im surprised that people barely bring this up lol

>>69258628
>check video
>problem? Remove problem.
>all good? Upload video.
It's literally that simple.

>>69258598
I don't think its an argument about payment, but rather that management knew of the project well in advance before the allged "only 37 hours" bullshit that makes no sense.

That's my takeaway from the pic, at the very least.

What is the realistic outcome of all this? Doki mogging all of NijiEN?
Several livers graduating?
An actual restructure of NijiEN?

>>69258801
They did not demand changes. None of the messages say "we won't allow you to release this until these changes are made".

>>69258569
As far as canceled projects go this isn't atypical. Even in HoloJP and EN they suffered similar things, difference being the talents didn't shit the bed over it and at most cried and vented or went on break.

>blindly believing what the fat BPD bitch says
Anyone who still believes her after she, as a solid fact, RECORDED A PRIVATE CONVERSATION WITHOUT CONSENT is completely fucking retarded.

>>69258897
NDAs of terminated people expire and everything go to shit.

>>69258942
>RECORDED A PRIVATE CONVERSATION WITHOUT CONSENT

nothingburger, dont need consent for that in civilized places.

>>69258598
They're not talking about payment as being the issue, they're talking about how the necessary paperwork from Nijisanji didn't arrive until after the video was supposed to go up and how other artists still haven't gotten said paperwork BUT have gotten paid by Selen.

>>69258897
>Doki mogging all of NijiEN?
Likely.
>Several livers graduating?
Maybe.
>An actual restructure of NijiEN?
Even if they do this they've lost too much goodwill and trust in the west.

>>69249826
bros
where do I go with my rrats now that all of them have been proven real?

>>69258942
How is that related to anything? Who fucking cares outside of sisters DESPERATELY scrambling for any narrative they can to damage her credibility?

>>69258989
Blatant violation of privacy is immoral.

>>69258906
Yes they did, they just said "you might need to change this" to be polite.

>>69258942
Congrats Elira for reaching 1 million views on your latest video! I hope you stay in Nijisanji EN forever!

>>69258897
>Doki mogging all of NijiEN?
already in progress
>Several livers graduating?
would have happened regardless- several in the queue
An actual restructure of NijiEN?
very possible from the CEO statement, especially if any fragments of the NijiElira or embezzlement rrats are true

https://rentry.org/nijidoki
Just read this shit, she threw a temper tantrum and management gave her way more chances than she deserved, she was incredibly difficult to work with and they STILL kept her on for almost three years

A new recruit would never get away with it, Zaion didn't get away with it and she did a lot less than Selen has been accused of (and they don't take accusations lightly, it's a large company but any blatant lies would be a slam dunk lawsuit for Selen) They have all the records, Selen refuses to release them, none of you care and just want Niji to burn becauase it's Niji

>>69258598
>personal projects are personally paid by the talent

Great way to twist words, payment out of company account which is deducted from talents payment and talent's own Paypal are completely different legally speaking for tax purposes and for commission legality.

>>69259094
>I hope you stay in Nijisanji EN forever!

>>69259120
kys sister

>>69259090
"might" is a possibility, not an actuality.

>>69258942
you dont need consent to record a conversation in canada retard

>>69258942
She didn't need his consent to record anything.
She didn't even need to inform him he was being recorded. This is LEGAL where she resides, which is the only jurisdiction that matters in these kinds of cases.
Get over it, find something else to latch on to.

>>69258798
This is also another hilarious point, the guy that included the ex-members even posted about how there wasn't any specific guidelines so thought it would be good to include people she got along with that are no longer in the company and had no clue it would be a problem, which is understandable given very few people knew about their whole internal IP perms situation. There was so much fumbling at every level.

>>69259169
read

>>69259094
>I hope you stay in Nijisanji EN forever!
nijien should unironically stay just to contain all the scum

>>69259120
>Least obvious sisterpost

>>69259120
please sister delete this

>>69259187
Go back to your doxxsite you fucking useless cunt.

>>69258844
I know it's difficult to comprehend for your subhuman room temperature IQs, sisters, and that you are biologically incapable of solving 2+2. Actual people can make conclusions based on observations, and don't have to resort to regurgitating the same dozen lines like a trained parrot.

>>69258989
It was such a nothingburger that she decided to include it in her statement to her lawyer about being bullied.
Sounds like her lawyer reviewed the recording, told her "this isn't bullying you retard", and she walked it back kek

>>69259120
>https://rentry.org/nijidoki
>EVIDENCE LIST: (WIP)

Says it all.

>>69258897
She'll mog, then the dust will settle, more details will come out showing Selen was an absolute retatd but no one will care because they've already picked a side and are dug in.

>>69259077
its not.

>>69259120
>https://rentry.org/nijidoki
did, its retarded and misses the point. this has nothing to do with doki anymore, its about burning down clique and niji EN management, so this cant be done to anyone else in the company.
we already know they have all been gagged and JP is conducting an investigation. the die has already been cast. hopefully JP fixes ENs shit and the innocent livers can continue.

>>69259173
Ever heard of being Polite? "You may not use a calculator during the exam" is also a possibility eh?

>>69259173
Why tell her she might need to change it if they had no problem with the video?
Keep in mind these are Japanese people, they don't state things directly. They also never told her "don't upload the video", they just said "it might take more time for confirmation".

>>69259216
>>69259243
>>69259253
NPC responses as expected lol
>>69259268
WIP because it's an ongoing case

>>69258897
>Millie makes 4chan stream part 2
>This time they make fun of suicide
>They do a russian roulette
>The revolver was loaded
>Someone actually dies
>They still make fun of it

>>69259262
if that was true, lawyer would have had it removed from the document before having it translated, but he didnt.

>>69259307
Not sure what ESL country you are from, but the proper thing to say would be "You cannot using a calculator during the exam."

>>69259327
you will never fit in

>>69259187
i did
its retarded rambling
go kys unironically, like actually put a fucking 12 gauge on your mouth and blow your brains out, you will not be missed

>>69259152
It's been that way at Niji since the beginning. I'm more surprised people are just talking about it now instead of 2 years ago.

>>69258942
>Yes, yes, well done, Dokibird, well done, Dokibird HOWEVER...
>You have Borderline Personality Disorder.
>6 GORILLION POINTS TO NIJISANJI

>>69259308
If that's the case the clique is EVERYONE IN THE BRANCH, is it really that hard to accept that Selen was kind of a pain in the ass to work with and doesn't belong near any Japanese corpo

None of you had any sort of investment in Selen's fate anyway so why believe her over 30+ people who don't seem to be pushing back whatsoever? Mysta, Nina, Pomu everyone but Yugo aren't touching her with a ten foot pole

>>69259262
Vox said the video was evidence of favoritism, you fucking retard. Doc maker, how about you rewatch your own fucking evidence.

>>69259403
this. buy dokibird merch to support her

>>69259327
Bitch, you come to our place to argue about this shit. Well, let me tell you you aren't convincing anyone. Go back you your pity party, prentending you care about vtubers while doxxing and harassing any female who gets close to your oshi.

>>69259380
kek

>>69259380
>"You cannot using a calculator during the exam."
>cannot using a calculator
You have no room to call out anyone else's ESL issues.

>>69259327
> it's an ongoing case
Oh no no no no no sister really thought they're doing legal works

>>69258942
I hope she recorded all conversions from all the years she's been there and someone accidentally hacks her pc and leaks it.

>>69250794
Exactly what >>69251293 said.
After all why would Millie not hand over her chat logs.

>>69259120
Sayu was fired over a deez nuts joke. Seriously find better material.

>>69259474
nyo

>>69259458
>If that's the case the clique is EVERYONE IN THE BRANCH
No, it just means the clique controls the branch and no one dares to stand up to them.

>>69252775
Joey (TheAnimeMan) can easily be found on the Trash Taste podcast along with Connor(CdawgVA) and Garnt(Gigguk), who are 3 prolific YouTubers who talk about anime/game/japan related topics. They have had Mori(Hololive) on the show several times and Garnt is married to a Vtuber as well so they have good knowledge of the industry.

>>69249826
if you have worked a real job before and you're still bootlicking this obviously fraudulent company then your fundamental ability of observation is broken and there's likely a deeper issue with your brain

>>69259458
Come on and spread your legs whore

>>69253491
Kek. Loving it.

>>69259458
>Mysta, Nina, Pomu
yeah and they graduated because everything was so great in niji lmao

>>69259540
The "Dee's Nuts" (an actual company) joke was actually legally actionable and the company happened to be gay enough to sue Mr. Beast over it and win

And she wasn't fired solely for the joke she was fired for multiple small infractions

>>69259380
It's a little known country called america

>>69259458
pomu is currently in japan, so she cant risk getting sued by kurosanji for defamation.

Speaking of "le retard de vox akuma", did he and Ike ever face any repercussions for fucking up an event people paid and travelled to attend?

>>69259669
Like the SA joke, right?

>>69257346
>Kiara
Orange bitch saves her branch then puts in an extra shift to help the best girls in the other company. I kneel to her and her fighting spirit. KFGODS backed the right horse all that time ago.

>>69259667
Yeah and none of them are sticking their necks out for her. Mysta literally followed and unfollowed her. He's a faggot but he probably knows more about their internal struggles than any of us. Pomu doesn't want to get involved in anything so i can excuse that.

>>69259120
Sister, you already tried this.

>>69247520

>>69259458
>If that's the case the clique is EVERYONE IN THE BRANCH
thats a stupid take.

>so why believe her
cause my stance doesnt change if I believe her or not. nijis behaviour is so damning even without any context from doki, even if doki was a menhera on my level (and let me tell you anon...) it just makes the branches behaviour even more disgusting.

>>69258942
Post tits, sister

>>69256585
ok now this is a stretch all they act like a retard online for views

The only way Vox will ever fuck you is if you're too young to be on this website.

>>69259120
You're so right. We need a Niji liver to read this on stream, that will change public sentiment.

>>69258942
Lube those lips sister

>>69259669
>multiple small infractions
More like nothingburgers and infractions they sat on so they can gish-gallop her termination notice whilst other livers have either committed the same offences or even worse yet remain at the company.
E.g Zaion's rape jokes verus Vox's rape ASMR stream

>>69259667
Tbf Mysta is a retard and Nina was more upset at not being in the clique than there being one. Sad what happened to Pomu though.

>>69259327
Sister I gave a response in the last thread and was ignored, I even put some effort into it. Why are you only responding to the easy ones to respond to? I can't imagine it's because you don't care and it's not really a "neutral" writeup.

>>69259828
SPEAK YOUR TRUTH GURL, YAAAAAS

>>69259724
men at nijisanji never face any repercussions, just look at luca if you saw of any of his shit recently.

>>69259862
still cant believe vox made rape asmr and got away with it

>>69259958
Because everyone knows women fantasize about rape so it's considered fan service.

>>69258267
...
Anon, its Niji's IP.
Add to that the fact that it was made while she was working for Niji. Unless she managed to work out the most insane contractual cause that would render content she made to be owned by her and not by the company, anything she produces as part of her job is owned by her employeer. This is the standard a cross almost all industries.
This is so basic that hearing retards spew this non sense only further proves that most people here never had a job.

>>69249864
the bunny senpai cover...

Has any JP liver commented on this shitshow? Are they just pretending this didn't happen?

>>69258942
>my coworker is getting better treatment and priority
>prove it
>BUT NOT LIKE THAT, YOU JUST CAN'T, OK!?!?!??
get btfo

>>69258873
>check changed video
>we have another problem
>change video again
>check changed video
>we have another problem
>change video again
>...

>>69258942
>RECORDED A PRIVATE CONVERSATION WITHOUT CONSENT
A Livers' job is literally to record media. We don't even know what was said in the recording, except Vox sperging out with his "I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I SAID IT'S PROBABLY REALLY BAD" suggesting he said something to deserve being roasted

>>69257462
Perhaps it was in the works long before and it would've been more suspicious to cancel. Also, Nerissa and Reimu were both utaites in PL and most likely knew each other so Nerissa and Reimu were friends before Nerissa and Kiara and Nerissa just wouldn't do a friend dirty like that over say her oshi that she has known for less time.

>>69259327
I guess lawyer never have to present any evidence in the court because it's an ongoing case huh?

>>69249864
It shows it's a company wide policy that they didn't run a foul of until that point. The timing is unfortunate and they could definitely create a better review process to prevent these kinds of things but it just shows corpo is doing corpo things.
t. corpo wage slave

>>69260303
>doesn't know what is in the recording
>gets very defensive about it
sounds like skeletons in the closet to me

>>69258989
Its not ilegal , it is still a fucked up thing to do to a friend.

>>69260242
if they are smart they would keep their mouths shut when barely anyone of them knows more than three words in english.

>>69260538
Clearly he's not a friend.

>>69260136
>anything she produces as part of her job is owned by her employeer
What was her "job" anyway? Streaming? And she was a contractor btw.

It was HER video that, if PUBLISHED, violated niji's guidelines about what everyone can do with their characters (which exists because they still want fanart and fan merch). Exclusive rights transfer was not done because niji takes forever to send out contracts.

>>69260303
If you need to constantly make revisions it sounds like a skill issue on your part sis

>>69260754
adding sis to the end of your statement doesn't make it seem like you are not a sister, you pig

>>69260242
JP is so big that most of them probably don't even know about shit that's going on within their own branch, let alone EN

>>69260136
> anything she produces as part of her job is owned by her employeer

Where I work I can either get a company laptop or bring my own laptop, and guess which one I can bring home if I leave the company, and guess which one is payed by using my own wallet?

This is so basic that hearing retards spew this non sense only further proves that most people here never had a job.

> Anon, its Niji's IP.
go ahead, show me one fanwork nijisanji owns, it's their IP right?

>>69260754
Or, more realistically, manglement keeps moving the goalposts because they have a grudge against the "wrong" employee being successful.

Just like they did with ex-Livers being in videos... just like they did with current Livers being in the videos... just like they did with random images of public areas being in the videos...

>>69260866
>no u
Concession accepted.

>>69259120
answer me this sister:
Why does a project that takes over a year to complete fail at the last minute and needs changes?
Why was the manager not aware of the state and contents of the project?
Why were permissions needed for characters owned by Anycolor? What sort of permissions were needed when the IP belongs to anycolor? Why would there be even a question about permissions beloning to anycolor about graduated talents or existing talents, when the project in question paints the company and everyon invovled in a positive light?
Why did not only Selens MV recieve a last-minute "no you have to change it" but also Pomus MV? Why was the manager never aware of what was going on? Why did they greenlight Elira's video, knowing that, regardless of its contents, it would drive unnecessary hate and harassment towards the Livers? And why was, whatever Elira had to say, not done through a faceless corpo account to shield the human from harm?
I have many more questions that this document does not answer.

>>69258942
How are you able to type all that bullshit and but three words into Google to see if you're wrong?

>>69260514
Not the youngest thing in his closet

>>69260935
>show me one fanwork nijisanji owns
Niji can take down any fanwork they want. That's the whole reason they get perms from other companies in the first place, so those companies don't take down or demonetize Niji content.
Why Niji doesn't take fanwork down is obvious. Doing so would be fucking stupid, and even they aren't dumb enough to turn down free marketing.

>>69249826
No, you're an idiot. They get confirmation first to make sure no changes need to be made. They don't do it just because. I can't believe you typed up an entire post to be this retarded. They were waiting because it was the weekend and she was lazy and submitted it late after a year.

>>69261059
>Just like they did with ex-Liv-ACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Skill issue

>>69258942
If you're too retarded to record shit when you're getting fucked over then you are smoothbrained.

>>69260935
Their "guidelines for secondary creation" say that yes, they can make money from art made by fans, and by using Nijisanji IP the artist's consent is implied

>>69249826
That's a lot of text to just boil down to "They are lying and were definitely not going to make the video public because I think so"

Stop making assumptions, you're the retarded one here

>>69261120
It's been pointed out to them before. They choose to ignore this because it doesn't fit their narrative.

>>69259120
Can someone who is willing to suffer summarize the points in this rrat?

>>69251847
Connor is friends with Nijisanji members behind the scenes and believes their side of the story

>>69261454
Actually it's "They are lying and were definitely not going to make the video public because they said so".

>>69261401
>Management is fucking up? Skill issue on your part

Why do you Nijisisters lick the boot this much?

>>69261605
They're addicted to the taste of shoe polish.

>>69261548
Close
The mouse is part of the clique
Wait for the coffee journalist video

>>69261401
>admits to enforcement favoritism
>refuses to understand the issue
>>69261482
Niji lies coordinated from the doxxsite.

>>69254130
You need to be corrected thorughfully , Millie

>>69261482
It's basically just nijisister cope that blames Selen for attempting suicide and having BPD.

It's also her fault that livers are getting harassed because the company publicly made announcements about the harassment.

Bullies always blame the victim and try to convince everyone around them that they deserved it.

>>69261605
>>69261669
>waiting for approval is favoritism
Doesn't it get exhausting having to warp reality in order bend your back this far to make excuses?

>>69254130
>selen is the traitor and thats is the end of it
I'm unironically starting to think they run that joke of a branch as a mafia family. You know, the "family" they all love to tweet about.

>>69259120
>none of you care and just want Niji to burn becauase it's Niji

This is the only true fact in your whole post.

>>69261401
Or Pomu gave permission

>>69259120
Yes, bullies get the rope.

>>69261665
coffeeZilla?? Really?

>why are all employees in all departments not at my beck and call at every hour on Saturday and Sunday REEEEE
Totally unfair, you tell em nijisister.

>>69261482
I've read through it, it's a bunch of schizo ramblings.
>Defending Nijisanji by saying Hololive does the same thing
>Selen actually made 200k but it's her fault that she spent it
>When Selen tweets that a project is cancelled it's "out of context"
>The livers aren't bullies, trust me bro
>"Discrepancies" in Dokibird saying one thing and doing another
>Probably actually talked to her lawyer who told her not to release anything right now
>She's a BPD who can't be trusted
I think that's about it.
Just a waste of time.

>>69262026
can you prove it?

>>69262066
the project was going on for over 1 year. Mangement had enough time to check the contents and production of the project to not block it last-minute and avoid issues like this.
This happened to Pomu too.

>>69262066
not a big ask if thats your entire job

>>69261852
>management knows about the video for a year
>management knows when the video is supposed to release for a year
>management chooses to demand last minute changes after giving approval
>management chooses not to review last minute changes in a timely manner
>management shits itself after they fail to meet a deadline they've known about for months due to their own incompetence
Look, I know you have never held a job, but come on, try harder.

>>69259213
Too late, Kyo already leaked

>>69261852
>>69261852
>Hey management, can I have a rape ASMR stream?
>Sure thing Vox! We just terminated Zaion for rape jokes but go ahead!

>Hey management, can I release this music video?
>...
>*36 hours later*
>Ehhhhhh, we mighhht need to change some things. I know I had a year to bring this up, but hours before the deadline seems like a good enough time now. Also I need to ask Nijisanji if we can use Nijisanji's IP - hang on.

Do you have to oversimplify reality because nijisisters are ESL or because they're retarded? Or both?

>>69261482
I'll just post one excerpt for you that should tell you that it's not worth reading
>Other EN livers who got as much as they could from being in NIJISANJI, or wanted to pursue less restrictive creative avenues, chose to end their contracts and graduate amicably – for example, Nina Kosaka, Mysta Rias, Pomu Rainpuff and Kyo Kaneko. Zaion LanZa is often used as a ‘gotcha’ when it comes to NIJISANJI, without taking into account the detailed statement of Activity Rule-breaking, within the short couple of months she was active, published upon her termination.

>>69252168
>>69252347
Delusional. Pomu would never had a chance in the MGS collaboration. lmao

>>69261603
They didn't say that at all. You're literally just assuming they were but you have a chip in your shoulder

>>69259669
>The "Dee's Nuts" (an actual company) joke was actually legally actionable and the company happened to be gay enough to sue Mr. Beast over it and win
Incorrect. The case you reference was do to him actually selling nuts with that labeling, not a parody or joke representation. You should look further into things before saying them.

>>69262157
her vocals are in the song. she wouldn't record her own vocals if she wasn't OK with it.

>>69262500
Fuck off Elira

>>69262638
its not even out yet, how do you know?

>>69262434
Don't forget Elira's deez nuts joke back near debut.

>>69262303
>management should've hacked into the artists' computers to see what they were drawing!
Or, you know, Selen could've just not waited until the last minute. Can't review something that wasn't submitted.

>>69262741
Because it says "Vocals: Pomu Rainpuff"

>>69262852
"Hey Selen, how is that Last Cup of Coffee project going? Do you have any updates whats in it? Are you doing an MV for it? What are your plans for the MV? Is there any way I can help?"
fucking hard discord message. all problems couldve been avoided when this message was send every 3 months.

>>69262928
Then she'd cry about management harassing her and not trusting her to do things at her own pace.

I like BPD bitches they give the best succ

>>69262928
And how exactly would "How's the MV coming along, Selen?" "Great! Thanks for asking!" allow management to check the video, anon?

>>69262914
yeah but how can you be so sure?

>>69262928
That's harassment.

>>69263121
you can't be this retarded

>>69263224
>i have no argument, yet i have to post

>>69263142
Unlike Selen, I can wait 2 days to find out :)

>>69263121
>hey you're working on a video OK COOL I WONT DO MY JOB AND ASK TO SEE IT

>>69254020
Nux is a fucking retard who shouldn't be celebrated or enabled for fucking anything.

>>69258942
MINOR NEURODIVERGENCE

I WIN

>>69263318
STOP HARASSING ME, TRUST ME, I KNOW WHAT I'M DOING WITH MY VIDEO, GAWD, IM GONNA KMS IF YOU ASK ME AGAIN

>>69251176
It's provocative and gets the people going

>>69263318
Even if they ask to see it they still have to review theproduct retard. retard. The situation would still be the same because of Selen waiting until the last minute.

>>69263519
yes and the video was in production for a year
you're saying that they never reviewed a single frame of the video in the whole year?

>>69263121
Because there are multiple questions and she has to answer them. If your job is to make projects happen you check in advance if there is anything in the project that could hinder it and you do that preferably long before it is finished so you can make changes in the process because changes in the final product are harder to correct and more expensive to correct. Nijisanji as a company knows this because they make merch and they most likely do not ask Goddsmile and other Figure companies to change the figure after its been painted and made 1000 times. They do it in the process and ask for multiple in progress states of it.
So in any case.
No law was broken by Selen because the audio was legally correct and approved and the permission was given by ther rights holder. In terms of visuals there was approval of all IP holders and artists including Nijisanji as the video was posted on a Nijisanji account. There was nothing in the way of posting it the way it was but some imaginary rule made up for her.
>>69263373
where is the proof that she behaves like that? So far I have only seen proof that the managers arent doing their jobs.
Pomu got a last minute change (right before debut too lmao, what a useless fuck that manager is) and we have a few more horror stories about management being useless from ex-livers.
Meanwhile every artist selen worked with has come out and approved of how she communicated. It is clear Selen was not the problem in making projects a reality and all her mistakes were because the manager did not properly manage her or her projects.

>>69262995
>>69263172
No harassment was when management gave her an ultimatium in May 2023 to toe the line or they would fire her because she offered to pay the 5k prize money herself for her art contest when management reneged on it.

Asking your employees how their projects are going as management is being the bare minimum as a management - not something Nijisanji would know.

>>69263584
Selen honestly sounds like a student who turns in her assignment at the last minute. Maybe she should pretend to be an adult and actually do things before the hard deadline arrives.

>>69263669
maybe management needs to do their job

Never forget- the GURRAT is so real they silenced the original OP (who is gay)

>>69263584
If they asked her for the frames, knowing her she would accuse them of harassment and try to kill herself again

>>69263722
It sounds like they were doing their job, Selen just ignored them.

>>69263373
There was no reason to wait for the video to ask what is gonna be in the video. Storyboards exist, so management has no excuse for not looking at it. Lilypichu said she gave niji perms in august 2022. At that point someone in management would've had to ask for the storybaord at the latest if selen hadn't shown it to them before.
Think about it, lilypichu gives you songperms for an MV planned by a talent you are managing and you don't even know what the MV is gonna look like? They knew and they sat on it for 16 months at least.

Do people think managerial work is difficult? You send messages and emails to the people you oversee all day then make a report to your boss.
Like there is no world where the 37 hour delay is justified because of "it was a holiday and he was at nijifes!!!". If you are a talent manager and your talent isn't on vacation you need to be in daily correspondence.

>>69258288
Wait a minute. Did they have a meeting on the 14th where they discussed Selen's graduation and when it's going to happen and that's why Enna said what she said? So Selen was going to get fired anyway and her sending the documents over was just accelerating her graduation into a termination. What in the everloving hell

>>69263669
Selen is not in charge of drawing the art or mixing the audio. She is reliant on artists to do that and she gave them a deadline too.
Management failt to inquire properly about the project's state, as they did with Pomu, knowing that it has be to posted before her graduation, they failed to check for problems in a timely fashion, thus putting stress on the talent they are supposed to manage by forcing last-minute changes on the project because they failed to manage the talent and in turn the talent's project.

>>69263770
Was management doing their job when they fucked up Pomu's graduation?

>>69263768
>knowing her
yes
and knowing you you're a faggot

>>69263796
If they asked Selen for a storyboard, she would have accused them of harassment and tried to kill herself. Don't underestimate people with BPD.

>>69263584
They need to review the final product. Which Selen submitted at the last minute. Which means the situation doesn't change.

>>69263940
its amazing all this proof you're showing of how selen would act holy shit i cant believe my eyes

>>69263940
BPD doesn't do that, you NDFsisters should come up with something new as this is starting to get old.

>>69259538
Has this image been verified? If so, we should try to get it added to https://rentry.org/thegurrat . This would add another piece to the Zaion puzzle and change the narrative about Millie from "likely debunked" to "highly plausible."

>>69263584
Of course anon. Managers taking initiative and trying to help a project on the way for their talent is obviously bad. And also trying to hurry said talent up and just not actually wanting to be on top of things. I mean it's her personal project right? Not like it's going onto her Ninji channel and might need to be up to Niji standards. Whatever the fuck Niji standards are.

>>69263940
I bet you know a lot about BPD yourself, sister.

>>69263832
Selen isn't the only talent they manage. And only black companies don't allow their employees to take holidays.

>>69263880
Yes, it's the managements fault that Selen completely ignores them and posts the video even though her manager explicitly told her not to. It's the manager's fault that Selen completely ignores the manager and shitposts on twitter. Good job dokisister.

>>69259120
The reason people come out with stupid docs like this is because they literally don't know formal logic. Its not taught in schools, you have to learn it yourself.
The most compelling arguments are actually "SHE HAS BPD SHE'S INSANE" and "YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED" because those are good emotional arguments.
I know the second argument is logical (Hey, we don't know everything going on behind the scenes) but its pure coincidence. They arrived to that argument only with emotion, they don't even understand its logic fully.

Sad to see some people are literally unable to think like a human.

>>69263832
Apparently the holiday excuse doesn't even work because (and I may need to find a source on this) Japanese workplaces don't really do christmas vacation to the same extent they do it for New Year's or golden week

>>69263997
so youre saying that the video went from 0 to done in a single day?
and they never reviewed anything?

>>69263940
where is the receipts sister?
No artist has come to say anything alluding to that matter when they worked with selen. This is in your head.
Management on the other hand was critised by ex-talents and current talents for exactly what we are accusing them of.

>>69264034
>BPD doesn't do that

>>69263940
Akuma vox has a girlfriend that he loves. He hates his fans, because he knows they're worthless girlfailures, but he keeps them around because in addition to being fat themselves, these femcels also have fat wallets.

>>69264054
I dont see anywhere in that notice or in Eliras video any proof that Selen was asked multiple times throughout the production of the project about its current state. I see a last minute change dictated for inane reasons like "permissions from ex-livers" with a 30+ Hour delay in answering that.

>>69263940
Your ignorance of western sensibilities is astounding. Her having BPD isn't a win for you.

>>69264085
>so you're saying *schizo headcanon*
Checking it at 70% completion means they would still have to check it at 100% completion. Why do you keep dodging this simple fact?

>>69264257
>Her having BPD isn't a win for you.
Just like how her trying to kill herself doesn't make he right about everything.

>>69264255
The only thing I see in Elira's video is that Selen completely ignored her manager and shitposted on twitter.

>>69249826
What is the timezone of that message?

>>69263940
>If they asked Selen for a storyboard, she (FANFICTION)
Not to sound like a moralfag but I'm pretty sure a anon wouldn't make such a shit argument.

>>69264129
This just says they attempt suicide but not why they do it. By this logic, you can't ask depressed people to smile or they hang themselves.

Furthermore, Dokibird has 2 years of handling projects basically on her own, getting her own perms from video game companies, multiple artists speak in favour of her work ethic, she has to pay the artists herselves but somehow asking her for an update will lead to suicide? No further context?

>>69264302
>so you're saying *schizo headcanon*
stop dodging the simple fact that the video was in production for a year and that managment never took a single look at it until it was done and even then it took them 37 hours to do so

>>69264302
checking it at 1% wouldve revealed the following:
"Oh ehy manager-san! Thanks for the message, I was thinking about making the MV about EVERYONE in nijisanjiEN! Everyone will make an appearance! hope thats okay?"
Then you ask at other times, like after Ninas or Mystas graudation and you'd know they are in the MV and then you have enoug htime to confirm if you have permissions to use your own IP in your product.

>>69263859
Either this, but with Selen taking all the blame and god knows when.

Or there was no meeting, LK is clique agent, and the whole thing was criminal (literally) attack on Selen's mental health. Because everyone's /here/

>>69264357
No one's saying that. But we have had NDFsisters constantly shit up the board with "dookiebird" and "BPD=liar".

>>69260538
theyre collegues, not friends. Also the guy is clearly a terrible person. Even if we assume he was mislead, him doing another round of character assassination because of a recording doesnt exactly speak for him.
Also assuming Doki told the truth about the recording, it was taken as an audiocheck, it wasnt taken to "record" someone. This is why theres only that one recording from over a year ago, because she specifically DIDNT record everytime she talked to anyone.

>>69263940
>Don't underestimate people with BPD.
Im bpd and was in a relationship with someone else that has bpd for almost a decade. Nobody with actually strong bpd can hold a job. its impossible and it cant be cured.
bpd schizomeltdowns are absolutely hardcore, but anything we ve seen from doki seemed calm and collected, the exact opposite of someone with uncontrolled bpd would act.

>>69264302
The contents of the video are in the storyboard which is the first thing a production makes to have everyone on the same page about what the video is supposed to show. If management didnt check the storyboard at any point in time since 2022 (august 2022 is when lilypichu gave niji perms), then that's on them.

>verification not required

>>69264055
>they literally don't know formal logic
Anon, you're dealing with people who confuse validity with veracity and couldn't articulate what it means for an argument to be sound or consistent. They don't care, and they're either too stupid to care or they understand that more often than not empty rhetoric is enough to persuade the mid-witted rabble.
Real-world people are just as illogical. E.g., read any opinion drafted by a liberal Supreme Court justice.

>Company has a history of mismanagement, cliques that harass and isolate other talents like Sayu and Nina, history of hamstringing projects like Pomu, Rosemi, and Scarles
NDF be just like "I ain't seen it, Selen bad BPD". How many times does it have to hit you in the face before you recognize Niji is a toxic work environment

>>69264411
I never agreed or disagreed whether or not management checked while it was in progress because there is no proof for either side. All I stated is that regardless of if they checked mid-production or not, the final product would still need to be reviewed. A fact that seems awfully uncomfortable for you.

>>69264682
the fact that seems awfully uncomfortable for you. is that the mid production video isnt going to be completely different from the finished product
its not going to be
>mid production: all of jp
>final product: SURPRISE ITS ACTUALLY ALL OF EN

>>69264641
>or they understand that more often than not empty rhetoric is enough to persuade the mid-witted rabble.
So Sophists won and Plato lost?

>>69264682
>>69264575
They had more than a year of perms for the song and they have never seen a storyboard? that's incredibly hard to believe and if so would prove how bad they are at their job.

>>69264682
Of course there'd be a final check? No fucking shit! Nina and Mista would be in a storyboard at various points and have been noticed early and perms would have been gotten way earlier if management had been slightly competent.

>>69264835
Look at us. Are we living in Plato's Republic?

>>69264682
>if they checked mid-production or not, the final product would still need to be reviewed. A fact that seems awfully uncomfortable for you.

NTA, but if they checked mid-production, they could get the most time-consuming parts out of the way so that nothing becomes a surprise right before the finish line. It would also require them a faster response time than >36 if they did a final review.

>>69250211
All Selen Tatsuki messages after she told people to share the video are Kuroniggi managers after hijacking all her socials. It is 100% confirmed by Kuroniggi themselves in their 4 page termination manifesto that they took away her access some time before Dokibird was discharged and got her phone back. It's most likely they suspended her before she went to the hospital.

>>69258267
it's still covered under the secondary creation (fan art) policy. that's why they cite that in the termination notice.

>>69264795
A mid production video will contain elements that weren't check. Why does this scare you?

>>69264981
a mid production video is going to have a basic storyboard
why does this scare you?

>>69264981
Sister doesn't want to admit that Selen completely ignored her manager and fucked up.

>>69264682
Niji has a history of hamstringing projects, Selen was clearly looking to graduate. The company saw this and pettily blocked her from airing it so that they could delay her graduation. Source: me bitch

>>69264906
Walmart managers understand this. How do Niji managers and sisters not?

>>69264981
Do you want to win the internet argument or do you want to convince any of the onlookers
Because you sure are on the road to do the former

>>69264906
That doesn't matter because at the end of the day Selen still uploaded the video before they could give a final check. The video would still be taken down for review, Selen would still have a meltie, and it would still end in termination.

>>69265117
This place is not Reddit, tourist.

>>69265026
A storyboard isn't the final product. Why does that scare you?

>>69263666
>No harassment was when management gave her an ultimatium in May 2023 to toe the line or they would fire her because she offered to pay the 5k prize money herself for her art contest when management reneged on it.
This says all that needs to be said about Niji and their management. It's baffling how sisters are still licking boots sparkling clean despite this.

>>69264357
>right about everything
Such as? The HR complaint that she intended to stay private and Anycolor blabbed about? Doki just wanted out of her contract so she could move on with her life. Anycolor's own termination notice admits that she said she would go public IF negotiations broke down. It's not her fault that they self-reported first. Every statement she's made has merely been a response to one of theirs. Her intention was never to ruin the reputation of the company or its livers.

She has STILL never publicly said a liver bullied her, only Anycolor has made that public. Throughout the entire situation, she has repeatedly asked people not to bully one another. She just wanted out of the company. Anycolor felt threatened enough by what she showed them that they decided to discredit her instead of stamp a graduation form. That blew up in their faces. That's all there is to this story. A Japanese corporation overreacted to a request from Doki to end her contract early, rather than be forced to stay for months and months until it's finally her time to leave.

I realize people want an enemy to blame because, yes, damage was most certainly done to Nijisanji's brand. But it's like tripping on your own feet. There's nobody to blame but yourself. Pick yourself up and walk it off.

>>69265195
a storyboard is going to have the graduated vtubers in it why does that scare you?

>>69265129
If we're looking at it realistically, Selen was trying to drop the video and leave by the end of January, but management blocked the video from coming out because they are petty and wanted to stall her graduation, which set Selen off and made her say no, I am graduating you can't stop me. Then Niji put out their slander statement and she retaliates. The rest is history

>>69265222
You mean like in Maria's cover? Why does that scare you?

>>69265292
so you agree that they were in it and managment didnt bother watching it

>>69250525
The contradiction is that Kuroniggi management has a proven track record of lying about when they will do approvals. They had an entire year to comment or confirm on the contents of the music video, they chose not to. It is 100% proven without a doubt, fact that cannot be disputed, that they were never intending for her to be able to release a music video. And the proof is the video is still privated. If they were going to release the video they would have done it, they had plenty of time to do it for an entire month. They could have secured their own "permissions" to use graduated livers because they own the ips.

Kuroniggi is a black company and they deserve to be destroyed. Anyone still working for an evil company that exists only to cause pain and suffering needs to either quit or get destroyed as well. It's very unfortunate, but it's for their own good because Kuroniggi will eventually do everything they can to try to kill them in the service of their dark god Moloch.
I'm not being facetious. Show proof that Kuroniggi does not serve Moloch, The Lord of Lies and Death.

You can't

>>69265385
I never said they weren't in it. I said management needs to review the final product. Why do you keep shifting goalposts?

>>69265129
Either your hypothetical matters or it doesn't, choose. If it does matter and if management did check in with Selen mid-production, they would of spotted whatever issues arose and dealt with them. That way nothing would of held up the final review, at least nothing substantial.

If management didn't check in with Selen on a year long project but only until the very finish line, that is entirely on them.

>>69265450
fucking retard you're the one shifting goal posts
selen made an mv
this requires a storyboard
the storyboard is going to have minimal changes from the finished product
somehow the finished product is completely different and needs 37 hours to be checked
give an answer to all of this

>>69265450
the goalpost was always that management failed to catch problems before the deadline because they failed to inquire about the project in a timely fashion aka. they failed to manage the talent.

>>69265529
>literally repeating the same point
>NO NO YOU'RE THE ONE SIFTING GOALPOSTS
You can't make this shit up kek
Storyboard != final product. Final product must be reviewed.

>>69265450
You absolute mouthbreathing retard. The storyboard has all of the content of the video in it. Management knew. They fucking knew and never said anything until the last fucking check needed to be done.
It is absolut fucking pilpul how you refuse to acknowledge that a storyboard had to have been reviewed by management at the beginning of the project.

>>69265636
So why did the final review need to be when they tried to get permission to use ex-livers? They knew ahead of time that ex-livers would be in the mv thanks to the storyboard.

>>69265636
No one is saying it wouldn't be? What's your point then? That Mista and Nina just poofed in there with no storyboard?

>>69265636
>AYEEEE IM RETARD
yes i know
read again
how the fuck did managment not see the graduated vtubers at anypoint before the final product
either the storyboard got completely changed in a single day
or
managment never looked at it
or
they saw it and decided to wait till the last second to tell her she cant do that

>>69265697
It wouldn't matter if management themselves made the storyboard, inbred. They did not make they animation, therefore the animation must be reviewed.
>>69265755
>no u
Kek

>>69265903
>It wouldn't matter if management themselves made the storyboard, inbred. They did not make they animation, therefore the animation must be reviewed
so they saw that the graduated vtubers that they needed permission for were going to be in the video

>>69265903
but the problem, according to the manager was the ex-livers and livers in the video. If they knew that it would be a problem, why didnt they try to get the permissions and resolve it before the final product?

>>69265903
>The more I argued with them, the better I came to know their dialectic. First they counted on the stupidity of their adversary, and then, when there was no other way out, they themselves simply played stupid. If all this didn't help, they pretended not to understand, or, if challenged, they changed the subject in a hurry, quoted platitudes which, if you accepted them, they immediately related to entirely different matters, and then, if again attacked, gave ground and pretended not to know exactly what you were talking about. Whenever you tried to attack one of these apostles, your hand closed on a jelly-like slime which divided up and poured through your fingers, but in the next moment collected again. But if you really struck one of these fellows so telling a blow that, observed by the audience, he couldn't help but agree, and if you believed that this had taken you at least one step forward, your amazement was great the next day. The Nijisister had not the slightest recollection of the day before, he rattled off his same old nonsense as though nothing at all had happened, and, if indignantly challenged, affected amazement; he couldn't remember a thing, except that he had proved the correctness of his assertions the previous day. Sometimes I stood there thunderstruck. I didn't know what to be more amazed at: the agility of their tongues or their virtuosity at lying. Gradually I began to hate them.

>>69265903
So let me get this straight.
>Management saw the storyboard
>Management never said there was an issue with the livers until the 24th of december 2023
>Throughout all of the production they never adressed there being issues with the livers
>Throughout all of the production they KNEW who would be in the video
>During the final check, they suddenly have an issue with the livers
>This issue could not have been resolved prior to the final check, despite them knowing the content of the video
>They knew which livers were in there for over a year, but never got perms for them until the final check.
>This is somehow normal for you
Actual fucking sophistry

>>69265994
Better yet, when (if) that rule got introduced, why they didn't contact Selen about that?

>>69265956
>so they saw that the graduated vtubers that they needed permission for were going to be in the video
If they reviewed the storyboard which they clearly didn't. They would still need to review the final animation regardless.

>>69265903
How would they not have caught them if they did mid-production and WIP check ins? The final animation would still need to be reviewed but that would be far easier (and perms gotten in advance) if they had done these and we have no reason to believe they did based on the apparent surprise of ex-livers in the animation. Did the artist sneak in those frames and the editing check in not catch it too? Because more than just animation goes into an MV.

>>69259120
I really hope you corposluts are at least getting paid for the overtime

>>69266254
so its a mistake on managments end that they knew there was a video being made and they didnt do their job reviewing it untill last second ( or 37 hours in this case)
like i said in my very first comment

>>69266229
>>Management saw the storyboard
Proof?
>>Management never said there was an issue with the livers until the 24th of december 2023
Proof?
>>Throughout all of the production they never adressed there being issues with the livers
Proof?
>>Throughout all of the production they KNEW who would be in the video
Proof?
>>During the final check, they suddenly have an issue with the livers
Looks more like it was their first time seeing it to me.
>>This issue could not have been resolved prior to the final check, despite them knowing the content of the video
Proof?
>>They knew which livers were in there for over a year, but never got perms for them until the final check.
Proof?
>>This is somehow normal for you
Your fanfiction is not normal, anon.

>>69266436
>Proof?
basic managment duties

>>69266436
Please sister don't destroy his headcanon that hard

>>69266506
So no proof?

>>69266436
That's literally their job. Reviweing the storyboard and gathering permissions. Lilypichu gave her permission TO NIJI in August 2022. That's 16 months before the final check.
Are you asserting they didn't check the storyboard or WIP for 16 fucking months?

>>69266607
the proof is that managment has to... well manage their talents and do their job
either that or you're agreeing that they didnt

>>69266612
>Are you asserting they didn't check the storyboard or WIP for 16 fucking months
Idk anon check OP's picrel

>>69266654
The only proof we have is that Selen literally ignored her manager.

>>69266607
Yes, there is no proof that Nijisanji is capable of performing even basic management duties. You figured it out finally.

>>69259458
I believe independents over corpo slaves and ex-corpos with NDAs hanging over their heads. Crazy, I know...

>>69266685
>The only proof we have is that Selen literally ignored her manager.
>this proof came to me in a dream

>>69266693
So no proof of your claims. Gotcha. Was it that hard?

>>69266436
The initial question was why they never did basic checks. Defense was that wouldn't have stopped anything. Asking now how and if they did check-ins why they didn't notice Nina and Mista. Answer is they didn't do check-ins and had no reason to.
This is fucking retarded and going in circles.

>>69266739

>>69266685
The proof that is carefully curated to only include a few of management's statements and none of Selen's replies? Let alone the proof not showing the full timeline of project communcations?

>>69266681
Just answer the question. Are you arguaing that they failed to check the storyboard or WIP for 16 months or not?
Either way is a bad look for you. If they did know, they failed to secure perms in time. If they did NOT know, despite being contacted by lilypichu, they failed to do their job as managers.
In either case, they fucked up.

>>69266774
>managment decided to ignore selen for a year until last second(again last 37 hours)
yes thats what im saying

>>69266436
in the screenshot shared by nijisanji, the manager said that ex-livers and livers might be a problem and they would need to get permissions for them.
This means that having ex-livers or livers is a permission issue that needs to be resolved and the manager also said it in the same screenshot that it was his duty to get those permissions.
For some reason this duty only become apparent to him 2 days before the supposed release of the MV.
The project was in production for over a year, based on Lilypichu, whom they needed permissions from for the audio.
During the entire year of production the manager not only replied 36 hours later to selens request to check the final product, but only then he raised the problem about ex-livers and livers being in the MV, which means throught the projects productions, the manager did not indeed get the permissions for ex-livers and livers to appear in the video, which he explicitly said, in the screenshot released by nijisanji, was his job to do.
So we all can see that he did not do his job. Because up to that point he did not inquire about permissions for ex-livers and livers in the video

>>69266810
Why doesn't Selen post the replies then? Is it because she didn't reply?

>>69266950
>we leaked classified info please leak yours
no thanks

Nijisisters need to come up with a better script. Their "SHE'S BDP. DONT TRUST HER. LOOK AT THIS OTHER DOCUMENT THAT IS THE ACTUAL TRUTH!" is getting stale and nobody is buying it. The GURRAT is still the one that makes the most sense, since it explains many things, there's no use to look for another "truth".

>>69266854
>Just answer the question.
I did.
>Either way is a bad look for you.
Selen acting on her own isn't a bad look for me.

>>69266972
That's what I thought. You're literally making shit up and have no receipts.

>>69266950
Ask her lawyer

>>69266774
So you agree that the proof shows management ghosted her for 37 hours, promised to check permissions at the very last minute, and then ghosted her again for another 15? How exactly is that evidence of Selen ignoring her manager and not the other way round? If they had concrete evidence proving she was in the wrong, why would they use this log that makes them look terrible?

>>69267041
>PLEASE WE LEAKED CLASSIFIED INFO PLEASE LEAK YOURS OR WERE GOING TO LOOK LIKE RETARDS HEEEEEEEEEEEEELP