/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

quit your bitching and enjoy the ride

>>690193
fpbp, based, redpilled

>How much longer can Hololive last in its current state?
Until there's actual competition. Only something bigger than Hololive will replace Hololive thats what happened to everyone else.
First was the AI and Four Kings, then Nijisanji, now its Hololive turn in the spotlight.

A new agency would have to impact the Vtuber meta to overtake Hololive

>>690193
based

>>690501
And the only way a company will become bigger than Hololive is by being more corporate, more wide-reaching and more normie-pandering.
If you wanna go back to the halcyon days of Kizuna Ai, look at your indies and support them instead of bitching about the big thing, retard.

>>690172
>and leave no place for the Japanese audience.
Didn't Subaru (I think) encourage her foreign EOP viewers to chat more in her stream on Chickens holotalk?

fpbp, however OP does have a point. its only a matter of time that the jp branch starts pandering to burgers and forgets about it's japanese roots

>>690717
>starts

>>690172
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September
if livestreaming becomes a cultural mainstay; which it probably would, considering companies like amazon and google are heavily invested in it, we would be living in an eternal september (coincidentally the month EN debuted).

As more EN generations get added the EOPs will find someone that fits their niche and speaks their language and leave the JPs be

>>690172
>EOPs dominate the comments section of Hololive VODs.
do they? or does google cater the comment section towards your preferred language?

>>690172
6 months tops

>>690717
Re:AcT_EN
774 inc_EN
ViViD_EN

What are the chances?

Hopefully not much longer, the hololive bubble has grown to cancerous levels and I want everyone to drop dead for ruining it for me

>>691002
Slim to none. Their names don't have much pull in western audiences and I think they can see that from their metrics. Their EN branch would be no better than indies, and it's clear how most of those do

>>690172
There are definitely holos that are carried by the company and there are holos that probably would be better off solo. As long as they hold on to the big earners and don't take on too many low earners, they should be fine. I do think the company is at risk of watering down their brand. I think they need to spin off into more low risk experimental stuff that's not under the "Holo" name.

>>690193
fpbp.

>turn on stream of oshi
>close caht right away
>only pay attention to oshi
you dont watch it like that?

>>690717
Japanese have a strong enough in-group bias to reserve special spaces for their original fans (who tend to throw the most cash anyways), and with most of the talents being native Japanese who only know Japanese, I think Cover would rather just expand a dedicated EN branch.

>>690172
That's why I stay at Noel's streams most of the time. 90%+ there are Jp chats. Luckily my job requires to learn Nihongo. FEELSGOODSAMA

>>691336
> I think they need to spin off into more low risk experimental stuff that's not under the "Holo" name.
Like a Twitch branch?

Once the never ending quarantine is over I feel like there will be less interest in hololive.
so in 4 years

>>690172
>How much longer will it go until it become cancerous?
Hololive EN debuted mid 2020 anon.

>>691541
If this virus makes it to year 5, things aren't going back to normal.

>>691480
As long as it's not something that directly competes with Hololive, than yes.

But I was thinking more of a company that contracts with current indie vtubers. The indie would have more freedom because they are not an hololive talent, but would also lack some benefits. They would join with their current avatar, bgm, etc. They would basically act like a YouTube partner. It would also be a good way of finding new talents for Hololive proper.

>>691598
>Implying things were ever gonna go back to normal even after 2 weeks of quarantine.
This is the new normal. The lockdown opened the door for companies and universities to cut corners and move stuff online/automate.
Also not to mention all the kids around the world that just became socially retarded and addicted to video games since there is nothing else to do all day.
This is just the beginning

>>690807
Both. I originally thought it was the latter but actually checked.

They can also very easily do the same to the live chat as well.

>>691790
If it was just two years of quarantine, it would just be seen as a weird episode. However, after 5 years of gatherings being banned, you know an entire culture will form around it.

>>691408
i do

The second western politics gets involved, which it inevitably will. So a couple months after HoloEN gen 2 tops.

>>691836
There already is a culture forming around it. The fact that people aren't pushing for reopening after we have a vaccine is pretty indicative of that.
Also two years is a really long time for some people. If you are 20 then that means 10% of your life was in lockdown.
I legitimately have a hard time seeing people go back to the way things used to be in 2019 after all of this. People now are just so used to not trusting one another and keeping their distance.

>>691921
You mean niji en gen 1

>>690172
>hololive is getting to popular therefore I'm starting to hate it

>>691971
>The fact that people aren't pushing for reopening after we have a vaccine is pretty indicative of that.
Does that thing count as a vaccine? I've seen it twice.
The first time, it caused the person taking it to immediately faint.
The second time, they just pretended to inject.

My biggest concern is the company isn't really large enough to sustain this meteoric growth and popularity before it dies off. This always happens with anything that explodes in popularity. They don't have the infrastructure to support it with for example official stream translations or secondary media like games and anime and then by the time they start working on that stuff the popularity boom has died off.

If I was Yagoo I'd be investing in a gacha game and some more permanent merch beyond the limited edition stuff like figurines and birthday merch. Maybe also hiring a bunch of part-time official translators to go through the backlog of vods and add translations for them so EOPs can enjoy the vods instead of infesting livechats. Also hiring some of the big name clipfags to work on an official clips channel so they can use them for TV commercials and other advertising. Basically this is all shit Nijisanji is already doing, ironically.

They don't really need more gens beyond maybe 1 or 2 more English gens, they just need larger infrastructure to turn Hololive into its own multimedia franchise like Fate or Hatsune Miku.

>>692012
I don't give a shit if its just water in a syringe. As long as it ends the quarantine. Im so so tired of it all

>>692012
>Does that thing count as a vaccine?
well it would be a pretty improvable coincidence for the vaccine to not do anything and yet somehow 20 times more people being infected without the vaccine than with it.

>>692100
Anon, please take a moment and consider the source...

>>691971
I don't want quarantine to end because my manager will force me back into the office again, i'd rather stay home and do my work while watching vtubers instead of socializing with retards

>>692047
Yeah I've been saying this too. After EN gen 2 just stop coming out with new gens and focus on organizing what they currently have. Instead spend the time on translations, new outfits, 3D for every girl, and new forms of content (people are gonna get bored of minecraft and zatsudan soon enough).
However the problem presented in OP is that if all this expansion will cause hololive to lose its soul. I've seen this happen with a lot of youtubers and forms of media. The solution may be to add more paywalls.
But really, we cant do anything aside from sit back and watch it happen. At the end of the day, hololive is a company and they will do what it takes to expand their profits.

>>692151
I don't have a job right now or unemployment benefits. Hence why I am not comfy right now

>>692047
Minus clips, isn't this why they're doing Alternative?
>>692151
I'd rather go back into the office since it forces me to get off 4chan, and I can always listen in on streams anyways with headphones.

>>692100
Don't try to negotiate with antivax schizos, you can pull out studies from multiple universities and they'll counter with some out of context anecdote on twitter
>>692151
Same, work from home needs to stay even after everything else is back open so I can drive fast on the highway again. White collar niggers better unionize if they try to get them back in office.
>>692047
I'd rather a buy to play botw clone to eat the genshin audience, I'm tired of gacha infesting everything

>>691587
Go back to hlg

>>690172
See, everyone always bitches about clippers/translators, but this phenomenon aptly demonstrates their value. I'd be beyond mortified to impose my own language on a foreign community, so I only actively engage with the EN chuubas. I'm in the process of learning Japanese in the hope that I won't be reliant on them forever, but for now, translated clips allow me to enjoy the JP branch without being an interloper.

>>691921
>The second western politics gets involved
How so? Talents getting political, or Westerners whining about problematic content within Hololive?

>>692205
>However the problem presented in OP is that if all this expansion will cause hololive to lose its soul. I've seen this happen with a lot of youtubers and forms of media. The solution may be to add more paywalls.
The only reason it's losing its soul is because EOPs are infesting the chat and refusing to adhere to common etiquette. Part of this is that they don't have enough content during the day to stay in EN chats, so it'll probably die down as they add more English gens that can fill more timeslots. Note that the EOP chat spam dies down a lot during JP peak hours and tends to focus more on ones like Korone and Watame who stream in the morning/early afternoon for Americans.

>>692262
Gacha games are very easy and cheap to make, allow you to include a huge cast of characters easily, and print money. Look at how long Granblue Fantasy has been developing Re:Link, their attempt at a action RPG console game. It'll probably never release while the gacha game has been printing money for 6 years or something. The goal is to get something out the door as quickly as possible to keep viewers engaged, preferably they'd release something more substantive later down the line but you can't just shit out a Genshin clone in a couple months like you can a traditional gacha.

>>692262
I'm not even antivax in general. I just don't trust THIS one. It was clearly rushed, so I'm going to wait for a better one to come out.

>>692100
You don't even know what the fuck you're talking about.
1. They say it will NOT prevent you from getting the virus, just weaken the symptoms
2. This is NOT even a vaccine, it is untested gene therapy

>>692334
Would have to be talents getting political, people have been bitching about "muh loli shark" from day one but they can't do shit as long as cover ignores them

>>692298
The issue with clippers are the ones that don't add any value such as TL. There are EN clippers that don't add jp translators and go as far as having membership to monetize the clips.

>>692344
I was going to wait out a bit longer before getting the vax, but it does seem things have been going well so far minus a very rare reaction that is being investigated. After catching the coof, I'd rather just get the vax and not get it again. I used to believe it would just be a very hard flu, but it's quite the bitch.

>>692372
I'd be down for weakening the symptoms. Coof hit me pretty fucking hard, and turning it into just the flu would be a massive improvement.

>>692430
That issue would be remedied if they actually paid the clippers and chat TLers to ensure a standard of quality. Of course there will always be amateur clippers who will get clips out faster than you because they don't QC but you can start copyright striking the shitty ones once you have an actual Official alternative out there.

>>692334
Either of those would be a substantial blow to the soul of hololive. Any time anything political gets added or just mentioned in regard to the media. It gets absolutely fucking obliterated.
No politics, no social commentary, I don't care what it is. Keep it the fuck out.

>>692298
Its a double edged sword. There are people who discover hololive because of those clips, and then proceed to rudely enter the chats and spam english comments and quotes. Korone's chat is always filled with shit like "why is she angry?" and "small turtle house" from EOP viewers.
Also the clickbait from those channels is getting a little ridiculous.

>>692430
>monetize the clips
do clippers really do this??? I always assumed that any ads on those videos were from hololive or just a music copyright claim

>>692342
There's definitely a company wide push to get more westerners watching the JP talents though, annoying EOPs or not

>>692552
It does take SOME effort to clip, so I don't care as much if they monetize for ad revenue, but shit like membership is definitely too far. There was a channel linked a while back that had members enabled, but I think it got reported and taken down by now.

>>692430
Oh, no argument here. The work should certainly be reciprocal. And not be predatory.

>>692475
Proud of you for not falling for the corporate propaganda and actually taking it seriously anon, even if you had to catch it yourself to come face to face with reality. It's quite the bitch and the vaccine was rushed, but by this point there's like 3 different vaccines being administered all over the world for months. If the vaccine was dangerous it would've been caught by now.
The only negative reactions so far have been people that are allergic or had some other major health issue. This is pretty common with pretty much all vaccines. I was skeptical as well but it seems like it's going fine so far as long as it can be distributed quickly enough. If there were other major problems they would've been caught and fixed when the US government started taking it seriously recently compared to the last year of inaction.

>>692653
It takes like 0 effort to clip if you download the software. Even ShareX has a feature for recording video with a single button. The only effort involved is translating so if they're not even gonna do that then they can get fucked.

>>692334
Eventually Hololive will get bought by Amazon, Disney or some media conglomerate. Both was planning to jump in, but shied away when the tword shit happened. But the possibility is still there, just now Netflix acquiring Dota 2 animation rights. Hololive Alternative might be the cookie crumbs Cover have to offer for media corps trying to get into Hololive. I'm guessing Tencent or Crunchyroll (Sony). Both of which is a bad omen but the option is there.
It is a cultural shift as more media is leaning towards Japanese animation, graphics and aesthetics since the west is getting more creatively bankrupt over the years. I'm not saying the Japanese are not declining, but its the Chinese that kept giving out free handjobs to the Japanese artists and transfer their IPs, art, and singing (Arknights, GFL, Azur Lane).
At that point, everyone should be on abandon ship mode and jump into whatever trends that pops up.
I'm still theorizing the taiwan debacle was an artificially generated drama, because of Cover and Bibibili deal went wrong somewhere. Possibly they wanted full control of Cover's brand. Gen 5 was full of hints of this when they tried to pander the Mainlanders.

EOP infestation is the least of your worry. It's a global phenomenon and both sides are still trying to understand each other culture wise. If anything they need to stay true to their personality and not forcing kaigai niki to tune in. Towa never did an English stream and still half-ass her eigo reps, she's still the gaijin queen swimming in USD.

>>692694
>>692475
>used to believe it would just be a very hard flu, but it's quite the bitch.
>It's quite the bitch
Are you guys 50 years old or something??? I got the coof and it was the most mild cold I ever had + I lost my taste for a few days

>>692262
>if you don't inject yourself with a "vaccine" made in under half a year you gotta be one of those antivax schizos
People unironically think like this.

>>692822
You gotta remember the average weight of anons starts with a 2

>>692334
Leftists bitching about everything, same thing they always do.

>>692889
eh just like conronavirus is a strain of some flu the vaccine is also a modification for some strain of whatever flu they had lying around. can't remember which one though

>>690172
How many of these retarded 'oh no muh end of hololive happening!!' threads are we gonna get?
Eops pay just as much as the jps do. Hololive will continue to make more money.
No, the sjw boogeymen arent going to take over hololive. Your oshi isn't get blacked on stream anytime soon.

You all need to fuck off back to /pol/ and stay in your containment HAPPENING thread. even better yet, go outside for once or just kill yourself.

>>691460
This. Vtubers tend to respond more to viewers that have been there for a long time.

>>692822
Symptoms are pretty unpredictable in severity. Plenty of young people who think they're tough shit have died from it. Plenty of old people who you'd expect to die have mild or no symptoms. Even having a good immune system doesn't seem relevant since children are largely unaffected. It's not a contest of toughness or masculinity or some shit, it's a disease.
>>692889
I probably wouldn't have injected it if it was made by the last administration but it was made by the same people who make all the other vaccines and taken by a lot of people on "the other side" politically speaking, including healthcare professionals and many members of congress. Unless you think there's some conspiracy theory that all those people took a different vaccine than the one being given to the general public then it can be assumed to be safe. Very much at this point if you still think the vaccine is fake news you're just an anti-vaxx schizo.

At the very least I have taken the vaccine and can tell you that I didn't turn gay(I already was) or spontaneously combust.

I wonder why the reverse isn't happening—namely, HoloEN chat being inundated with Japanese. Do the Japs have a greater sense of etiquette/restraint, or do they simply not care that much about their EN counterparts?

...I ask, as if anyone here is an authority on this.

>>690172
Hololive, an IDOL Vtuber group will forever be the most successful everywhere around the world. And irrelevant western whores will continue to seethe for all eternity.

>>693142
EN seems to be popular with the japs, they're just more polite and have restraint like you said. You seen them pop up in numbers whenever an EN girl asks if they're there.

>>693142
I'm sure there are a few japs who watch EN. But really what is the point?? They have 5 gens worth of JP streamers to watch. Anytime they open youtube, its guaranteed that one of them is live. And there is such a variety that if you don't like the personality of one streamer you can just find another.

>>693439
Good point.

>>693439
EN streamers don't stream while JP streamers are on though. Besides Kiara, and it's reflected in her low viewership. Hell even when Gura's streaming I'd rather watch Lamy or Reine's morning zatsudans so language isn't a big deal.

>>690172
Everyone else will implode, Japanese vtubing will be around for a long time since they're the only group that takes it seriously.

>>692933
This, even seen some posting on Ame's channel about supporting equal gender rights when it was trending a week back. Thankfully she ignored that shit.

>>690193
/thread

>>692047
>Hololive gacha game
imagine the $$$ rolling in

>>693142
Japs definitely restraint a little bit when it comes to foreign streamers. Mori definitely has educated JP viewers to throw money, Gura simply had the numbers, and most Ame JP viewers are probably already accustomed with western stream crude humor. Overall, it's the music that transcends language barrier for anyone to get interested, and simple compliments are easy to type in.
Coincidentally, I'm seeing lots of Apex pro streamers have a sizeable Japanese followers (lyr1c, Shiv, Ace). They don't chat much, and if they do, it'll be in simple English. And they very rarely donate.
But if you check on twitter, they'll definitely tweet out their reactions real time and closely follows their stream schedule, similarly like EN talents. And just like EOPs, they'll wait out for translation clips and comment their impressions over there.

>>693662
https://twitter.com/iw_game
There's some fans working on a entirely free one, though their goal is to get bought by Cover and turned into a real game. They can't really release a fan-made gacha as Cover will instantly C&D them since they have an interest in making one themselves.

>>692334
>How so?
Talents get political, clipfags clip it, outrage tubers and anituber make drama videos about it, Vtweeters lose it, talents double down journalist gets involved, etc. It's a never ending cycle to total destruction.

>>692047
>investing in a gacha game
That's literally what they're trying to do. Gacha game at this point is their primary goal with everything else like hololive alternative and their vtubers supporting it. Has been since yagoo tweeted out that they were interested in making a game

>>693754
That's not gonna happen, do you think Cover is the first Japanese company to operate in the west? They know how to keep their distance from politics. The worst case scenario is an EN talent getting baited into saying something edgy in a superchat but even then they'd just issue an apology and it'd blow over.

Or they'll start copyright striking any clipfags that clip it like Pekora's yab: https://streamable.com/t25cdb

>>693754
so pretty much just gamergate?

>>690717
Don't worry, Shion and Ayame have the JP side covered.

>>691977
>nijinigger
Nobody will give a single fuck about NijiEN so don't worry about that

>>694034
What's the point of fanboying a company so hard? Vtubers are vtubers, if NijiEN is good then I'll gladly watch them. Console wars are so gay dude.

>>693718
So they pretty much fucked

>>693838
I agree. I think Japanese companies are smart enough to know that politics/social commentary will only hurt them.

>>692205
>(people are gonna get bored of minecraft and zatsudan soon enough)
the only cure for that is getting talent with unique interests to fill different niches

>>693004
Who fuck said anything about politics? Sounds like you are the one who needs to fuck off back to /pol/.

Trying to anticipate the future Google actually made a pretty massive poll with tons of normies asking is they would watch vtubers without explicitly mentioning vtubers and roughly half the people that participated in the poll said that they would, this means that Kizuna's contract with Hollywood is a step forward for vtubers in general to explode even more in the future, in other words, Hololive hasn't really exploded yet, they are only accelerating

>>694825
Google is shit at predicting the future. They tried making google plus and everyone hated it. They tried google stadia and everyone shit on it. The list goes on and on. They are mostly good at just buying out already successful things, rather than trying to start something on their own

>>694872
Those were made without ever even making a poll and instead made to push products people don't want, this is actually them seeing potential in vtubers and actually trying to predicts where this is going

>>692822
I think it depends on how good your immune system is and how far it gets in your system. My weight starts with a 1 (but getting really close to a 2) and I'm in my 20s. No breathing issues, but I just had the worst headache and just felt so fucking tired like I haven't slept for days. Also had issues balancing myself to walk around along with the no taste thing. Lasted a good 9 days before I could get out of bed for more than an hour.

>>690193
This, enjoy it because once it hits critical mass, either it goes into normie territory or crashes and burns into flames.

I am considerably worried about the later because of how some girls seem too touchy in comments and 3D and how normies will definitely not understand the context before jumping into the hate train.

>>694872
I feel like google does one thing well and is terrible in every other area

>>690717
Nah, they will probably just throw more gens into HoloEN than try to double efforts with their original talents. This way they appeal to all audiences without having the need to double down on ENG reps or changing the guidelines of work.

What we should be very careful of is if some of the new EN girls is some whacky gal, like, it doesn´t matter the political affiliation anymore, just a plain wacky one would be VERY bad, specially if it is one of those manipulative ones who use their fanbase as a mob.

>>692012
You can still get infected, but the vaccine makes the risk of it going into life threatening pneumonia drop to such negligent levels you should only end up caring about not infecting other individuals if you get the disease, otherwise it is not a vaccine which stops the disease but rather stops its consequences, people are not getting this last memo.

>>690172
lol otakus SEETHING

>>691790
>Also not to mention all the kids around the world that just became socially retarded and addicted to video games since there is nothing else to do all day.

Nice, more gamers, maybe some of them will get based instead of becoming reddit sheep.

>>691598
Things are already never going back to normal.

>>691836
>just two years
bruh ONE year is fucking insane

>>692380
Good think Gura also ignores it all.

For how long one can even watch a single streamer constantly? You usually cycle through those you watch, dropping the old ones, finding someone new.
Actually, I forgot, the audience can cycle inside Hololive roster just fine. Well, then nothing can stop them at least from that angle.

>>692792
Tencent want nothing to do with COVER after the "Taiwan" retardry, if anything, some CH company has already got or is about to get the greenlight of their parent company and government to push a copycat of Hololive with more money backing it, it always happens with all media, but the chance of it becoming a success is a fucking dice roll, specially with saturated markets.

>>693889
But with the difference that the retards would be the political nuts (mostly, mentally ill burgers) instead of le based 4Chinz and whatever.

>>692334
One of the reasons I fear about other "big" japanese VTuber companies trying to get EN divisions (like nijisanji).

WE DON´T KNOW IF THEY HAVE FILTERS TO AVOID POLITICAL NUTS LIKE HOLO DOES

Which could lead to a disastrous chain of events if the wrong person gets in, goes along character, hides intentions until he/she/whatever gets popular enough and then goes full political retard in such a hard swing that it cannot be reverted or taken back, it could get even more retarded if one of those big ones actually sides with the VTweeter mob and overall retard side of Twitter.

>>692552
I have seen clippers monetize clips just to get money to donate more, it´s a cycle, a very strange one.

>>695586
>One of the reasons I fear about other "big" japanese VTuber companies trying to get EN divisions (like nijisanji).
Vtubing is a decentralized hobby. Its not like anime, tv/film, video games, comics. If one fails you can go to someone else and its easy to make your own. There will always be replacements. Hololive doesn't control vtubing

>>694872
Google just does not try to "grow" an audience into their services, they just expect it to grow from fucking nothing, of course STADIA will have no community if the games don´t even work well to begin with and the amount of players just plummets after the day of release of any game.

>>695664
I know they don´t control it, my biggest fear is that we get a "Top VTuber/influencer" hybrid which could pretty much just try and make the rules of the game change, it was what kinda happened with Twitch, which ended with the site taking stupid decisions while completely ignoring rampaging sexual content through the platform.

>>695586
Good point. I seriously hope that the contracts these western performers sign have a heavy "no politics" stance either way. Considering we haven't really had any trouble from Kiara so far, it's safe to say that HoloLive is doing well, but there's no telling for these other agencies.

>>695460
Tencent helped Coco taking down the wheelbarrows, and as far as I'm concerned, it's BiliBili behind this shitshow and Tencent is their rival.
>>695586
>>695768
I have trust in Cover's managers tardwrangling and their scouts with their voodoo magic in filtering talents. I can't say the same about Niji, but a single wrong move by Niji may plunge the whole industry go into a nosedive (Hana is quite a redflag). And japs will never welcome any foreigners ever again.
I too wish, Niji doing their best scouting for EN branch.

>>690172
EOPs are purely vermin comparable to Chink trolls

>>697946
And yet no matter how much you seethe, they will continue growing and growing. Eventually you will be outnumbered. You lose! =)

>>692054
it's just not water....its FOXDIE that's in the syringe.

>>692149
Get your source from me, Drebin knows everything. "Eye Have You"

>>690172
>until it become cancerous
>until
草

>>690172
They already hit cancer status pre-EN with EN only accelerating the growth and bringing in even more cancer. Those high sub counts are not a positive stat

>>692344
Vaccines may contain nanomachines.

>>698954
>>699034
>>699230

>>690172
Literally until today. They're expanding into multi-media including making games and manga to capitalize on being a waifu factory.

>>697854
>Hana is quite a redflag
How so?

>>695586
Nijisanji JP already has tranny/genderfluid characters. Like, they don't impose their identity in an obnoxious way, but it's still there. So there's a chance that NijiEN could have a tranny who is way worse.

>>690172
You must have missed the part where we got our own containment board. We are already cancer.

>>699916
Drebins' got that voice where you could just listen to him ramble about guns and nanomachines.

>>701734
and vtuber conspiracy

>>690193
based

I hope after some months, EOPs get tired of pretending to enjoying watching hours of streams in a language they don't understand then stay situated in the holoEN streams or occasional EnglishOnly streams by holoJP. There's probably psychological affects for the JP branch girls with large foreign viewship that have so much of the chat filled with a language they understand as much as an N4 understands holoJP streams. Does YT provide tools to broadly limit chat usage, like restricting country of origin or only allowing chats with at least a certain percentage of kana + japanese used kanji? If so I could see those being used in the future

>>702011
The talents really don't mind it from what I've seen. They've universally been positive towards it, and really english comments taking over chats is exaggerated, at least as of now. If some english is spoken you'll see everyone come out for a time, but otherwise its JP mostly, depending on talent of course. Even 50/50 still leaves the talents with plenty of JP comments to interact with.

>>700768
I think the first transgender member will set an example for the rest. If it's some political obsessed tranny then itsover.jpg, but if it's someone who has half of a functioning brain and keeps quiet about politics, then things will be good.

>>700768
Examples?

>>693004
>No, the sjw boogeymen arent going to take over hololive.

You fags were saying the same things about video games back in 2012 and look where we are now.

>>701583
You must have the part missed when mods went into civil war and stopped doing their fucking job to force hiromoot's hand.

I hope you aren't buying into the "Hololive fans are the new bronies" bullshit.

>>707116
he said take over, they wont take over
worst case scenario the EN girls gets terminated

>>702011
For someone like Korone or Miko, how’s their eop audience these days? Are eops slowly leaving them, or did they get even more after EN debuted?

>>706863
Melissa

>>707911
>Woman using a female avatar
Did I miss something?

>>707116
>You fags were saying the same things about video games back in 2012 and look where we are now.
The thing holding them back is the fact that their games aren't fun to play, or don't offer them a chance to push it.

>>707116
Even in 2012 it was getting political, but still now most games themselves don't get political aside from hamfisted garbage like TLOU2, people just bitch because the devs/companies have an opinion they don't like, but you can ignore that and still enjoy the vidya. A streamers personality is the content so if they start virtue signaling about politics/social causes you can't just ignore it

>>708160
She consider herself as nonbinary and doesn't like being called female, she talked about it in a lot of her twitcasts, changed her default design/model into more androgynous one (the one with short hair).

>>690172
The fact that Hololive is branching out into other media means they might actually have staying power.
We'll just have to wait and see how Hololive Alternative pans out.

>>708693
cool, that's just the way it should be.
If I was capable of social manipulation like the chinese I'd be trying to produce some sort of moderate version for rampaging SJW's to look bad next too.

>>700691
https://twitter.com/Hana_Macchia/status/1329044583259377674
https://twitter.com/Hana_Macchia/status/1329045503326121984

her latest stream had trigger warnings

>>716256
Nijisanji needs to burn to the ground

>>716256
I'm not going to that shithole Twitter, What do the two links say that cause redflags?

>>708693
she consider herself to be mentally ill so she should stay mentally ill while not pushing everyone to put up with her mental illness. That's good enough for me.

>>716256

>>693677
APEX is HOT in Japan. They even invited western pro players, like some guy in TSM, as a guest for their charity tourney that had convoluted rules for pros.

>>716569
Basically "there's no difference between egirls and vtubers, you're still a simp" which is true

>>709536
Do you think that what they're doing with Hololive Alternative is basically replicating what Zun did with Touhou?

>>690172
Consider how long the JPs took to reach 1 million

>>716826
That doesn't seem like a big deal.

>>690172
Faggy doomposters need to fuck off.

I like to think that with the ever-growing presence of ESL in the HoloJPs, more and more JPs are exposed to western chan and meme culture. There will come a day when we will be trading shitposts with our nipbros without the need to learn a new language

>>716256
>>716747
kek what a fatherfucking retard

>ITS TOO POPULAR SO I MUST HATE IT
kek

>>690717
I mean they've already kinda started doing this. After HoloEN became a thing half of all the JP girls made it a point to start exclaiming they're learning English. Subaru, Sora, Marine, Botan, and Polka. Then even the holostar Aruran did those consecutive "EN slang" streams shortly after.

English viewers were always around for all girls there just wasnt enough for them to feel like speaking in most chats but EN brought a unpredictably large amount of EN viewers in. Even Kiara with the lowest sub count in EN has more subs then most JP girls in a fraction of the time.

>>716256
You're saying as if some people Hololive don't have that kind of sensibility or at least the Indonesian ones.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmpaVcFOaTM

>>690501
>Hololive bigger than Sony backed Ichikara
I get your point, I just wanted to point this out.

>>722447
if Ichikara doesn't do anything innovative to compete with hololive's expansion they're going to be screwed.

>>694344
Anon Kuzuha, Nijisanji’s top liver, streams Apex 6+ hours daily and it’s been going on for months. People will watch them inspite of the games they play.

>>702011
>t. self hating EOP
The JP girls don’t hate their overseas fanbase as much as you do. They literally filter out the gibberish and only read and pick out Japanese.

>>692933
And yet nowadays we only ever see rightards bitching about vaccines and pandemic conspiracies like in this thread. "Evil gubmint trying to vaccinate me with bill gates brain chips"

>>708693
>>716256
Is NijiEN going to be a shitshow? Their auditions were only two weeks long.

im a newfren. pls can some1 tell me what EOP means
thanks senpai love you

>>690172
I think there'll be a split soon between the pure Idols and the gamers/artists. I really can't see Gura, Ame and a handful of JPs being the singer or dancers they need to be.

>>729701
probably this

>>729701
>https://twitter.com/Hana_Macchia/status/1329044583259377674
I think the split may have happened. That was the feeling I got from the Bloom announcement
> The hololive talents each have their own goals and direction that they wish to take, and we support them to the best of our ability.
Wouldn't surprise me if some talents (Korone really comes to mind here) don't show up in the live concerts anymore.

>>729701
I think the split may have happened. That was the feeling I got from the Bloom announcement
> The hololive talents each have their own goals and direction that they wish to take, and we support them to the best of our ability.
Wouldn't surprise me if some talents (Korone really comes to mind here) don't show up in the live concerts anymore.

It won't bring them down, but I expect at least one twitter shitter will apply for EN gen 2 and blame it on racism or transphobia when they're rejected for having no talent or previous work to show. Possibly also leaking legal documentation or job description text they see and raising a stink about it being problematic for some extremely strained or completely nonsensical reason.

>>731220
yeah i can imagine the contract says not talking about politics, trannies etc. and some sjw whore will get butt mad about it because she thinks she wants to push her agenda everywhere.

honestly the more i think about it, the more i think getting too much of the west involved is a mistake. we are super lucky with gen1, lets not ruin it.

>>690172
I guess it's massive in our particular bubble, but even hololive is a nanoscopic blip on the pop culture map.

>>731707
you sure man?
https://playboard.co/en/youtube-ranking/most-superchatted-all-channels-in-worldwide-total

take a look at this. what do you see? look at the top 10, top 20 even top 30. this is world wide youtube.

look how much money they make every single fucking stream.

this is one of the biggest growing markets in the internet.

>>731967
Bull compare that to how much Mr Beast earns in a weekend. Vchubas is a fad.

/toy/ here, we're having petty console wars over vtubers a lot more since GSC revealed merchandise for more characters which is funny because Kaguya and Kizuna have been getting merchandise before which never bothered anyone on the board. Im here to ask how do you feel about secondaries that have no interest in vtuber as a whole but buy a nendoroid or figure of a character who's design they like?

>>731967
You're putting too much weight on the importance of superchat. VTubers still remain a niche within a niche. The only VTuber who has even come close to mainstream is Kizuna Ai, and that's only within Japanese mainstream society. The rest of the VTuber industry remains trapped in the bubble of otaku/weeb/Internet culture.

Here's my take; I don't think Cover and Hololive know what to do with the money they're making. The only thing they seem to know how to do is A,) Step on the gas and add more girls to their roster and hope the market doesn't get diluted, and B.) Sell them as traditional idiol/marketing icons to be used by brands and stuff. Though that part, to me, comes off as like, really weird because while I see the equivalent in the US of a big name streamer being used to hawk gaming headsets and shit, I can't imagine buying Ninja(tm) brand Ramen Soup or whatever.

But I think that Cover not actually employing translators and hosting their own translated clip content, or having subs put directly on their girls' channels does a major disservice because they could easily be directing more international viewers directly to the girl's actual channels for views and subs rather than people like me who only ever watch clip/translation channels since I don't speak Japanese so the official content is useless to me.

However, I also get the sense that Cover understands the "idol" thing is just a meme. Like, I guess all of the JP girls really want to be "idols" and that's a big thing there, but I don't think that anyone who watches the content cares for it, and I know a lot of the girls would be happier just playing video games than having to go to dance classes and put on concerts and shit. Plus, I have to imagine that shit is not nearly as profitable, considering the cost to make it happen.

>>732152
secondaries vs primaries shit is an attempt at creating an enemy to sell whatever narrative

>>732310
>Step on the gas and add more girls to their roster and hope the market doesn't get diluted
Being a numbersfag for a minute, I think they've already reached that point with HoloJP 5. I also think the next batch of HoloEN will only be roughly half as successful as HoloMyth. EOPs came to gawk at the new thing, saw it, and a lot of them left already and I don't think they'll be back when a new handful of girls arrive as it'll just be 'more of the same'. So yeah, I do agree Cover needs to invest their money more wisely than they've seemingly been doing to keep things interesting and profitable.

>>732310
I feel the same way. Right now vtubers are profitable, but I don't see a clear way for expansion to occur. The easy answer is to expand their rosters, but there's only so much having a new generation of girls can do. If I had to guess, I'd say hololive should do more in terms of merchandising (hoodies/figures/etc.) I'm curious how much streamers/youtubers make in general

Until corona is over

>>732310
>However, I also get the sense that Cover understands the "idol" thing is just a meme. Like, I guess all of the JP girls really want to be "idols" and that's a big thing there, but I don't think that anyone who watches the content cares for it, and I know a lot of the girls would be happier just playing video games than having to go to dance classes and put on concerts and shit. Plus, I have to imagine that shit is not nearly as profitable, considering the cost to make it happen.
As a longtime idol fan, I don't see it that way. Most of the fanbase is receptive/accepting of them being idols, seeing how most of them behave no differently than the average idol fan. And the girls are fine with being idols (if they weren't, they would have applied to other VTuber agencies). Cover gives them a much greater degree of freedom where they can define what kind of idol they want to be. Singing and dancing (whether they're good at it or not) isn't what defines an idol and hasn't for a long time. It's just that the traditional stage is the easiest place for an idol to shine.

And with the "hololive alternative" project, they're following the same multimedia route that other idol franchies have taken. hololive production is probably the most successful idol VTuber agency in the industry compared to all the other idol VTuber groups that exist and I don't think Cover wants to let their domination in that market go.

>>732840
>if they weren't, they would have applied to other VTuber agencies
Cover didn't start the whole idol thing when they started recruiting more people though, they just decided to turn into an idol(lol) company later, at least after 2nd gen though I don't know the precise date.

>>732946
I believe it was around the time Mio joined when the idol trajectory was set. Okayu had mentioned before that she had joined Gamers because she wasn't confident in her stage performance ability. So it'd be gen 3 and later where the understanding would have been set for new applicants that they're applying to an idol agency.

>>732946
all of the old vt guard were already pushing the idol image, kizuna ai, kaguya luna, mirai akari, sora herself, fuji aoi, himehina or at least did a lot of utawaku in their past lifes

>>690172
>We've reached a tipping point.
no, there are much much larger streamers that do pretty much the same and have larger audiences

>>733354
Yeah, I suppose another thing to add is that the VTuber concept itself is influenced by Japanese idol culture.

>>733497
Hatsune Miku laid the ground work.

>>733546

>>732152
I can see /toy/ sales being a a major influence on what vtuber designs get made in the future.

>>731220
Realistically that can happen to Chinese person. Cover would most likely trash any audition that has a Chinese name but it wont stop people from using a pseudonym

>>690172
>How much longer until will it go until it become cancerous?
between 6 months and 1 year ago depending on how low your bar is

>>734466
I could understand why hololive wouldn't want to hire a Korean or Chinese candidate

>>732525
Niche focused gen are the way to go. There are so many niches not being served right now.

>>729626
English Only Peasant. Pretty much people only watch clips from the JP girls.

>>729626
English Only Peasant. Pretty much people only watch clips from the JP girls.

>>734535
Care to explain not hiring Koreans? Nijisanji has their own KR division so I doubt there's any bad business between them and Japan unless trying to market them as virtual K-pop idols wouldn't be taken seriously.

>>740007
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan%E2%80%93Korea_disputes

>>724628
Ichikara is more innovative though. They have significantly better tech for the streaming and motion capture and vastly more impressive live shows than Hololive along with a much broader base of characters. Hololive has basically just been playing catchup with Nijisanji the entire time, the only thing making Hololive so popular is that Cover apparently has the world's greatest talent scouts working for them.

>>734535
I mean Ina's Korean isn't she? It's not like any Western or Japanese Koreans/Chinese would have the same nationalistic/Japan-hating mindset that some native ones do.

this fucking thread

>>722447
Except they aren't. Sony Music just have a capital investment and that's it. Just because it's a known name for you doesn't mean anything more. This money just is invested in 3D technology, merchandise and their expansion. Sony wasn't even the one with more investment anyway.

>>691002
Basically zero. They don't have the same resources and name like cover or ichikara.

The second EN was made it tipped already. You're just seeing the momentum before the crash. It's already over.

>>694034
Cry more faggot.

>>724628
They aren't going to be screwed lol They literally are growing as well but in a slower pace as they don't have the same overseas reach. They will be in this industry for ages.

>>732840
Which other vtuber idol groups? Only Hololive is in this mindset.

>>716256
>her latest stream had trigger warnings
and?

>>745095
Go back

>>741726
Not true. Back in 2019, cover had the better 3d tech, himawari visited cover studio and was impressed and ask for ichikara to invest in 3d tech. That said cover is lagging behind now but 3d equipment is expensive, may be they need a new round of investment.

>>692012
No idea but I personally sure as fucking hell won't let them do the biochem equivalent of installing some random .exe file from a source I literally know nothing about in my body so easily

>>754630
The difference is ichikara is first and foremost a tech startup while cover is a talent agency.
They're the ones developing their own motion tracking that they can then license and make money off and their chuubas are like their beta testers.

>>690501
>A new agency would have to impact the Vtuber meta

A VTuber agency that stages virtual meetups with fans in VRChat

And a VIP room for lewd things with special patrons

>>758178
Virtual hostesses are already a thing. I think Shigure Ui had a video with one.

>>744942
Re:AcT, GEMS COMPANY, enogu, ReVdol! to name some few

>>690172
Just stop thinking about the shitskins and just enjoy the holos you dumb schizo. You're literally just ruining the experience for yourself because of your fear of the shitskins.

>>758178
Ichikara already does that: https://www.ichikara.co.jp/en/service-yumenographia/

>>729592
>Is NijiEN going to be a shitshow?
yes

>>754630
But then Cover may be branching out in different ways, from Yagoo's recent videos it looks as though they are going to attempt 3D VR, which would be great for the current Bloom and Fest concerts as you can put yourself in the audience since Covid means you can't physically be there. That would be a nice mash-up of technologies.

>>760695
so vtubing is not a fad if VR technology keeps advancing so companies are going to put good use to it.

>>759259
it's still going to draw a big crowd, coomers want to see if they're good or not. It will prove which company has better talents.

>>761035
VR has 'almost' been on the verge of a breakthrough for years. Unfortunately Facebook is screwing the pooch with it's stupid Oculus requirements and putting people off. If the Idol project can be ported to even those cardboard phone sets as well as headsets it'll attract a lot of non-gaming viewers and help the technology grow.

>>716256
I mean I'm with you in that faggots should do their own research, but Mori had trigger warnings for Reservoir Dogs and Ame did for LA Noire and is too scared to do watchalongs for movies she likes because 'muh problematic', so its not like Hololive isn't already compromised.

>>690172
I think we still have a few years. I can see this becoming a pony type situation. It won't truly die out but eventually the bubble will burst

>>761220
Dayum... never knew fb was the culprit. Btw do you know if voice cloning technology is going to improve sometime in the future? Is it possible for voice cloning to be augmented to a real-time voice changer because from what I see now both of them seem to be in the infant stage?

>>762593
>compromised
more like those two are scared of idiots on twitter jumping on any opportunity to screw them over since ame and calli know what they're like. in fact it's not just western twitter idiots but even japanese twitter idiots/antis who could have used the la noire "japs" dialogues to harrass ame, so she had to use disclaimers every time

>>763439
>real time voice cloning
Weird that only now we're able to start emulating a speculative piece of technology Blofeld used in Diamonds are Forever

>>729701
>I think there'll be a split soon between the pure Idols and the gamers/artists.
Wasn't that supposed to be the idea behind pic related?

>>692372
if it gets it down to even a normal flu, that's good enough for me.

>>758909
but have they perfected it? Can it be done better?

>>770879
no that was just to get more kemonomimis and for fbk to use nepotism to get her friend in

>>771907
>nepotism
>Korone is JP's strongest and Okayu is in the upper holos

I'd call it "Fubuki's genius scouting",anon

>>776393
as i've heard it (might be wrong), FBK just pulled in Mio, who she was friends with
to complete the "gen", Mio then pulled in Okayu, and Okayu pulled in Korone

>>741726
>They have significantly better tech

POST THE BALL.

>>729398
Eh no, whenever he plays another game his audience drops to half or less. Of course every chuuba has their own core audience but saying that the game doesnt matter is false

>>761081
I dont think so, outside of this board and their subreddit there are barely people who knows that Niji EN will debut

>>729398
When did he pass iinchou?

>>695258
>What we should be very careful of is if some of
the new EN girls is some whacky gal
,
Bro unstable menheras are something jp has to deal with all the same you know. Look at Roa/Meiro, Chris possibly Monoe you also have scumbag dudes like Shindo Raito the list goes on and on.

>one of those manipulative ones who use their fanbase as a mob.
Ah the memories peko.

VShojo exists so the cancer is already alive and well.

>>741726
If people would care about better tech, Kizuna Ai would still be a big thing, I know she still is a reference but not as what she was before

>>780205
The only people who care about Vshojo are ubercoomers and the most ironic of ironic weebs, there's not really much overlap with them and the rest of the vtuber fanbase.

>>780451
One look at hlgg and you'll see that's not true. They are the ironic weebdom.

>>716256
Its part of the game's disclaimer text anon.

>>707116
Bro even Kiara hates the nutty SJWs.
Back in her past life she talked about how they vilify every white dude ever and how retarded it is.
Most everyone in the industry at the moment is moderate as fuck off stream.

>>732310
>>732840
More like redefining what an idol can and can't be and letting the girls themselves determine that.
But the last 3 JP gens and EN seem to have restrictions that Fubuki or Sora don't seem to have and its worrisome to me.

This is what happens to nijiniggers

>>757889
Cover is a VR tech company that accidentally stumbled on a bunch of great talent

>>793029
They are def not a VR company and unless they own live2d they aren't a tech company either. The code they write helps out the people who work for them but it isn't their revenue.

>>758178
the agency that will break vtuber meta are kids vtuber. Not the shota appearance kind/ A vtuber the one that is cleanly designed, with bright color stream layout, plays games and humor/personality aimed for children audience. Or at least aim the audience of late teens. I have been preaching about this, but nobody is willing to dive into this niche.
If otaku paypiggies are gold, then parents who had to pay for their kids merchs and superchats of their favourite streamers are fucking diamonds.
Make the kids pay 20 bucks for a roblox session, or a membership minecraft server. 50USD tickets for a Pinkfong live concert. Make them bleed money.

Hololive needs to stop dragging their feet and introduce a HoloBand already. It's been proven that it's a completely feasible thing by the Gorillaz, even, so just do it already.
Not to mention that they wont even have to worry about Idoru shit if they fenagle it right.

>>722007
All holos have been instructed to not say the N-word in GTA after they got back the permissions. Most holos that replayed GTA and sung nigga stopped doing that on their second run. And none of the new playthroughs had them taking part in the Lamar roasting

>>797860
implying hololive isn't purposefully going for idolshit so that they can retain purityfags(japs) and pretend like the girls dont date/have boyfriends.

Anons clueless of what is an idol and normal idolfags, what are puritifags and the current japanese idol culture, the thread.

Most of you are idolfags and you don't even know, idol culture is a boogeyman used by ledditors to justify all bad, but any female streamer gets backlash when breaking the "experience" y talking about current relationships. It has nothing to do with idol culture, idols are about dreams anons.

>>797940
miko said nigga in her recent playthrough, just not at the classic scene, she did it in the same video like 30min later

>>783721
What restrictions are you talking about specifically?

>>716256
>>716747
Seems like she's trying to be funny and le ironic, no real red flags here. Still not sure if I'd ever want her under hololive though

>>783721
>More like redefining what an idol can and can't be and letting the girls themselves determine that.
Which is something that they inherited from the seiyuu idol part of the idol industry (Idolmaster, Love Live, etc.)

Really, hololive as an idol group is a culmination of concepts stretching all the way back to Morning Musume.