/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>6909247
Here is yesterday's playboard Japan rank. Festival surely dodge a bullet by barely beating Pekora micra today

Ouch

>>6909331
Short version, plus everyone just saw the concert. Also, let's face it, she's tanked her core audience numbers very, very hard.

>>6909247
I can't wait for Pekora and Kuzuha to be gone.

Not the best of numbers for suityan and flare. I thought shiraken was popular?
>inb4 split view
I'm comparing it to previous similar collabs.

>>6909331
Low numbers on originals always remind me of smile & go.
And like what >>6909413 said, Matsuri tanked her core viewers hard over the past year or so by constantly playing apex and cancelling her other streams on short notice.

https://twitter.com/minatoaqua/status/1418187069180973062
Power Station, the platform where Aqua was going to have her concert, had their servers crash and canceled the event, supposedly they could not handle the amount of traffic onion brought

>>6909623
These companies are really underestimating how many people will “show up” to these live paid events.
NND and VARK made the same mistake in the past.

>>6909676
Forgot to mention that SPWN payment servers always get overloaded for a full 1-2 days before a Hololive concert.

>>6909459
Normalising desu

>>6909312

>>6909767
>no jun
Finally

>>6909623
>>6909676
>>6909746
At some point companies in Japan are going to need to realize thst hololive isn't a small indie band but a major entertainment company that can move tens of thousands of people and their servers better be able to account for that.

>>6909623
How many solo concerts does this bitch needs? Didn't she already sang for an anime ending? How come people are still not bored of her? She's neither good at dancing nor singing. There's 40 of them at this point but why is this pink retard in particular being shilled the hardest?

>>6909459
10k on Sui-chan at this time in a Mc collab is fine for these collabs though.

>>6909894
You sound like a butthurt chink

>>6909894
because I lob my onion

>>6909623
>Power Station, the platform where Aqua was going to have her concert, had their servers crash
>>6909885
>that can move tens of thousands of people and their servers better be able to account for that.
Fucking NicoNico and VARK had problems with Holochicks. They should just let it to the pros and outsource the actual technical infrastructure.

I try to explain to our customers sometimes
>it is all fun and games until the referee blows the whistle on halftime of some soccer game and the whole stadium pulls their mobile from their pockets to check your app at the same time.

>>6909452
what has the bunny done to you.

>>6909894
People forgot because of the solo Masters APEX challenge and break that Aqua is still one of the top Holos.

>>6909911
Miko gets the lion's share in these collabs.
Plus theres a Botan/Lamy horror date getting big numbers right now too. People probably tuning out of MC for that.

>>6909894
Hey, leave Aqua alone damnit.
Actual answer: Aqua has brand power much like Kizuna Ai does, but to a lesser extent. Companies will pay premium bucks for such a thing, and Aqua is willing to put the time in to work for these sponsorships.

As for the lives, she wants to host them for her milestones (anniversary, 1mil) so she gets them for those milestones. Simple as.

>>6909894
Success breeds success. Who are you going you going to invite for your sponsored partnership with hololive if not the one who already has a track record of successful concerts and partnerships?

>>6909894
The Idol introvert gamer, Aqua, loved and hated by many. The niji killer. The only equal to Pekora. Can't help but hate aqua huh?

>>6909974
I mean booth still regularly suffers from crashes whenever a particularly popular Holo puts out some goods, and they've been using it exclusively for almost three years now. At this point I'm starting to think that nips just fundemetally don't understand network infrastructure

>>6909845
#15 is him
He has separate channels for different platforms

>>6909974
For reference, Holofes 1 sold around 30k tickets. I don’t think we have numbers for Holofes 2, Bloom or 1st Gen.

>>6909975
I'm sick of them. We need a new queen and king of vtubers.
>>6909987
But what about CR Cup scims?? Surely APEX is a mega draw for Holofags like Nijifags.

>>6909974
Are these companies rolling their own video streaming backend? While SPWN has issues with payments at least they use Amazon servers to actually serve the stream.

>>6910194
The hololive boom was only in its initial stages at the time of the first holofes. Recent numbers should be much, much higher.

>>6910227
>Are these companies rolling their own video streaming backend?
It doesn't need to be the video streaming backend, that's rarely the weakest link.

The weakest link usually is one of these two
> the ticket purchasing site and backend
> the authentication backend

Serving videos is more or less a solved technical problem, you can purchase hardware that does it for you with minimal hassle.

BUT EVERY RETARD INSISTS IN HAND ROLING AUTHENTICATION and that kills the kitten.
It matters ZERO if you can serve a million simultaneous video watchers if you can barely serve 100 blokes trying to prove they actually purchased the ticket at any one given time

>>6910298
I dunno about that. Holofags don't seem interested in the songs and there's sooo many poorfag posts or poorsquadlol.

>>6910203
Nah, I think nips and eops agree that playing apex frequently is bad for numberfags. Only Kuzuha benefits from Apex since he could entertain people in it. Look at Towa and Matsuri. If they had played any other FPS games aside from valorant, their viewer rate would be much higher. Look at Botan, she gets much high views from playing payday 2, RS6 and probably pubg, but pubg is shitty so I can understand the 5k live views from her recent stream

>>6910418
Best part is that Botan could be she-Kuzuha if she wanted to spam APEX (based on her street cred and rank) but she prefers to do whatever she wants and I applaud her for that

>>6910194
SPWN had vulnerability where the number of live viewers could be seen >>31076778 . 2nd fes 2stage had 76k JP viewers and 13k EN viewers.

>>6910194
50k for bloom.
https://style.nikkei.com/article/DGXMZO70233130T20C21A3000000/
>配信でオリジナル楽曲を歌う有料オンラインライブでは約5万枚のチケットが販売され、海外からの注目度も高い。

>>6910497
Wrong board >>>/jp/31076778

>>6910464
It would be far more stressful for her streaming career to spam APEX, she'd be pressured to practice constantly and keep up her skills and I get the strong feeling that she's tired of that sort of life.

>>6910497
>>6910572
and thats just SPWN. i watched it on NND and there were several people in the jp thread who did the same

>>6910590
Both of the top Apex players in Hololive (stars not included) basically have burnt out on the grind (Aqua and Botan).
From a pure numbers perspective, they should be playing the game at least once in a while, but mental health> numbers for them, and good on them for that.
We don't need even more burnout.

>>6910525
What would happen if the next concert teased Coco joining or EN joining?

>>6910590
Any streamer shouldn't be shackled to one game, that's why switching is important. But towappi... JP 6 really needs another FPS autist so that Botan could do a duo with them. Imagine the kino from co op fps games.

>Marine getting an easy 20k mogging without even speaking a word
May end up mogging Matsuri for the novelty alone.

Goes to show who really enjoys their job (like Marine) and who got burned out (Haachama, Shion)

>>6910203
>Surely APEX is a mega draw for Holofags like Nijifags.
That has never been the case for any one. You have to either be really good at the game that you get the APEX/FPS autists to watch you or be so entertaining that your main audience will be willing to put up with your sub par skill and constantly playing a game they honestly don't care for.

>>6910690
Both haachama and Shion shouldn't neglect their studies lmao. Streaming career is too volatile even if they earn more in a year than the average person who worked for years

>>6910682
>basically have burnt out on the grind (Aqua and Botan).
Then there is Choco Sensei, who is for grinding what numberfags are for numbers.
>she doesn't even care about the thing in itself, only about whatever result the grind provides

She just get into some trance by doing the same thing over and over and it must relax her.

>>6910768
Out of both the one I believe traded streaming for studies is Haachama. Based on the timing of her return to Japan she must have applied for some top school
>AND FAILED
and ended up requiring to go to "cram school" to try again next year, whcih would explain her hiatus

>>6910682
Botan brought up that she's received criticism for putting APEX in the list of games she played during her debut introduction but never playing it. I can see why she would be reluctant to even play it once in a while, it'd just make the complaints from APEXfags even worse once you throw them a bone. I also doubt she'd pull in that many numbers with APEX that she can't match by being smart about Minecraft collabs.

>>6910690
Shion's case is.....it's different. All I can say is roommate reps, it's not really fair to say it's normal burnout.

>>6910831
Good thing that now that Selen has debuted they don't need to bother her about that anymore

>>6910768
Shion is just depressed.

>>6910897
Two more APEX preds in NijiJP were just revealed today too. Nijisanji's going all in on APEX and it'd probably be a bad idea for hololive to try to follow suit at this point.

>>6910831
She used pubg to play soccer with the boys. I don't think she cares at all at this point

>>6911041
It depends. If you get a cute newbie that is a highly competitive and competent then that person alone will eat up a lot of the FPS crowd. The algo favors Holo because they get a lot of subs and interactions. Towa and Matsuri are more like token party players which is why they are either tolerated or ignored

>>6910768
Shion didn't even graduate high school and she's like 19 now. I don't know how the adult ED is in Japan but 4chan tells me it is nonexistent.

>>6910831
She needs to play STALKER.

Makes me wonder if she'd pull 20k playing STALKER if she picked a good time slot to do so.

>Mute Marine Mogging Kusuha playing APEX
HAS SCIENCE GONE TOO FAR?

>>6911262
Baseball buff is scary.
She pretty much has 10x her normal viewership cause of baseball.

>>6911382
Sorry, I meant 70x

>>6911041
I have a pretty schizo theory based on why two of niji's new debuts are ex FPS pros.

In niji you can't really force a liver to not stream something they want to stream (given permissions are clear), because if something like that happens people like Deron, Rin, Rion, Mayuzumi, and Shiina, who cares a lot about liver freedom, will definitely jab on management on and off stream.

So by introducing actual FPS pros into niji they're trying to funnel people who normally watch FPS streams into a smaller number of talents actually competent at that, and the others will be discouraged from streaming FPS because their numbers will further drop in favor of people actually good at this game.

Over the past quarter niji wasn't bleeding to hololive, it was bleeding to vspo, KNR, oreapo, and FPS pros because of how much apex niji did.

>>6911262
Flare and Suisei winning in SC

>>6911382
I mean Deron got like 30k the other day and no one actually watches her.

>>6911425
If you can't force the liver to not stream APEX if they really want to, and the existing ones are already doing so despite bleeding numbers, the funneling won't change anything for those channels since they just love APEX. It'll prevent the views from leaking externally though like you said.

>>6909247
Today's numbers

>>6911425
Apex is a JP game as you can tell by the top lives right now. The fact that Niji accepted Apex players for both JP and EN tells you that they believe that this is what people want. Irregardless of whether or not it is the case. It sets a trend. If anything, this might even encourage some girls to play more because there's going to be new player dynamics that they can test with new people. Hololive is better off focusing on other trends. This is a good thing because it creates diversity in content and the girls are not boxed in.

Oh no senchou, your numbers...

>>6911714
and she immediately brings in backup
I bet she was watching the numbers in real time

>>6911714
>>6911752
Peaked at the top of the hours then Pekora started a stream

>>6911596
The debuts were a numbers success. Credit to enikara for shilling it right and picking the only time they could before September. I wonder how much the big debuts translated into subs and how the viewers will be in a few months.

A shame about the content, jesus.

>>6910525
>>6910194
>>6910497
Holy shit! They might as well be the biggest idol group at this point. I doubt AKB and Morning Musume can pull those number these days

>>6912147
Did those idol groups ever do live streaming during the lockdowns? Might good for reference material.

>>6911262
Damn baseball buff is no joke huh. But it's good that it give the spotlight to some of the no names niji that rarely got exposure

>>6912147
>>6912254
You can see their numbers right here >>6911596 乃木坂 is Nogizaka46.

>>6910497
Still skeptical about this claim since I don’t think they ever posted proof.

Mori's originals views (including other platforms)

>>6913507

>>6913507
Any VTuber original beating RIP?

>>6913507
>>6913536
Wonder how much this translates into money earned.

>>6913618
RIM Carnivorous Plant (No.1 in Youtube)
(No.5 in Spotify btw)

>>6913743
600-2k$ per 1m views, depending on ratio of 1st world to 3rd world viewers. Its not much because musician makes money from concert and sales.

I try my best to find all possible songs.
Pretty sure that only Hololive/AI/KAMITSUBAKI/HIMEHINA have high views on Spotify( JP company vtuber).
Not sure whether other regions have a close number.

>>6914313
WOW; RIP is this bigger than AIAIAI?

It seems that Pekora wants to become the most watched female streamer. She recently streams games that decrease her average live viewers but increase her total watched time.

>Aruran just killed his golden goose
Poor lad, he was inclining hard from the novelty of it

>>6914497
It has been a long time(both YT and Spotify)

>>6914497
I think people don’t realize how big Mori is. Cover got lucky getting a workaholic like her.

>>6914618
>>6914666
>Cover got lucky getting a workaholic like her.
Both her and Ina.
Both could easily be at the top of their respective fields but for some twisted reason had to become cute anime girls to unleash their true potential.

>>6914798
Ina already is a pretty respected artist, and she's now also the biggest art streamer in the world. The latter but is a nice bonus but it's not something she really needed

>>6914529
>It seems that Pekora wants to
You need to do your reps Peko
>webm related
She's the queen of numberfaggotry, I wouldn't even doubt she lurks this very thread to keep tabs on one more datapoint

>>6914798
To be honest, Ina joins Hololive for a better QOL.
She might be one of the least vtuber-dependant member in Hololive.

Numberchads, is there another site like Vnuma?
I used it to look for indie Vtubers, but now it's gone and I have nothing else.

>>6914951
No there really isn't, playboard is the closest equivalent and we've been juggling between using that and holostats

>>6914951
Holodex. There's a filter there for indies

>>6914798
Mori would be irrelevant without Hololive. If she had the talent to be at the top of her field, she wouldn't have needed to join Hololive.

>>6915057
Oh great I was looking for something like this, thank you.

The cunny buff is real

>>6915189
It’s almost unfair how much cunny boosts someone.

>>6915061
Buddy her joining hololive single handled put a dying niche artform back on the map, even if she were the top of her field she'd still be a nobody

>>6915061
It's a mutual relationship. She needs a bigger platform, Cover gets a cut of the profit. It's the same for everyone that is a corpo vtuber. It's just that some companies don't give you that much of a boost compared to Niji or Cover so the benefits are minimal. If you can stand as an indie, that will be the best way like Nabi, Hal and now Coco

>>6915242
Even becoming a Hololive mama gives your portfolio a nice boost.

>>6915242
>If you can stand as an indie, that will be the best way like Nabi
Nabi, like Uto, grew entirely on the backs of Amelia popularity. Even getting the crumbs that fall off the "rich man's table" (Hololive) can raise your profile.

>>6909623
serves her right for being a traitor to Coco.

Leos, Axia, and Lauren acrylic stands are sold out
https://shop.nijisanji.jp/s/niji/item/list?ima=2933&tag=DIG_TAG_46
I expected Axia and Lauren because they're basically Chronoir 2, but Leos is also leading due to his amazing trainwreck of a debut.

>>6915712
I’m guessing Nijisanji makes fixed amounts of their products so they’re available on release?
Hololive seems to do the opposite where it’s all made to order.

>>6915410
So this is why the 2views have been seething, because they couldn't even get the crumbs

>>6915750
Some of their merch is, some isn't, it just depends.

>>6915752
Hololive got a valuable lesson when Uto's company (she was never an indie from the start) used Hololive tags, Hololive SEO and tagged her product as "Amelia Watson sister" to get her to grow.

Then it was revealed she was a corporate chuuba all along, with "hidden hands" pushing her forward, she admitted to it, said "she broke ties" with said company and now she swears on her soul she's really an indie for real.

>>6915900
I don't think Cover ever actually did anything to her, fans just badgered her until she changed her tags and such. Behind the scenes is she blacklisted? Maybe, maybe not. Anya seems to have played something offline with her and Nabi recently but that's different than being in official collabs.

>>6916089
I remember her dropping by during Kiara's 1 million marathon, didn't sound like she's blacklisted or anything

>>6915189
isnt selen getting way more views than her though? do cunnyisseurs only sub out of guilt after jerking off?

>>6915189
It's no teeth buff.

>>6916168
Selen is getting 1-3k more than her genmates.
Petra peak was 5k during her karaoke when no one else was streaming other than that she’s 1-2.5k range with Rosemi.

HoloEN join MegaCons 2021 from September to October. Dunno if this would help with anything.

>>6916264
Did they get a noticeable buff from Anime Expo? Calling on Graphanon. The panels were on these times
12:30 PDT (July 3) / 04:30 JST (July 4)
14:15 PDT (July 4) / 06:15 JST (July 5)

>>6916264
Con guests, especially audience draws are paid.

>>6916264
They’re getting paid and exclusive con merch.

Nips seem more interested in Leos for future streams, First two seem like generic boring APEX players.
Oliver seems like an actual 60 year old man who's never touched technology before.
Lain - meh.

>>6916264
It's probably mostly for the paycheck and becoming an even more established brand in the west.
Also for something like Dokomi meet&greet and physical con attendance being a debut goal for Kiara

>>6915189
Selen is on average getting more live views than Petra. Even when she went to the Fish girl stream.

>>6916449
>never touched technology before.
That day was his first day streaming and management was watching over him to make sure he didn't fuck up. He also didn't know how to make thumbnails and had people help him with it.
Lauren seems like he can drag away those who watch Nijisanji Apex streams for gameplay (why would you)
But time will tell.

>>6916481
>>6916406
>>6916364
Oh sorry. I mean, in terms of numbers. But when I think about it more thoroughly, these pain cons wouldn't affect any stats that much.

>>6916565
The last thing Nijisanji needed is APEX players, even if they're good they'll probably be a buff for tournaments like CR CUP but most of them are getting fed up with FPS shit.
Oliver seems weird, Either he's a really famous person or they've took a huge gamble, While being clumsy might seem cute to some it might get annoying over time trying to watch him figure out the basics.

>>6916449
>Nips
5ch?

>>6916124
Kiara asked her if she wants to collab but I really doubt she asked her manager in advance. We won't know for sure unless someone talks about it or she actually collabs with a holomem.

>>6916620
Gamble seems more like it looking at other Nijisanji JP hires, especially for guys. He mentioned field work as one of his hobbies.
>>6916708
No one should take 5ch posts as an indicator for how Japanese fans feel, there were posts berating Lauren for not playing a character right under posts berating Lain for playing a character.

>>6916753
Wait, really? I've thought most people here just take any stuff they write there and unironically use that as a Japanese fans' opinion.

>>6916089
>I don't think Cover ever actually did anything to her
Cover didn't, but they sure as hell will explicit disavow any "siblings" that are not, like Nabi, explicitly sanctioned

>>6915712
Speaking of merch Chronoir's 2020 archive sold out within like an hour and apparently booth even shat itself because of it. Fujos are crazy.

>>6916828
I mean you have 卍sanji schizos here even though there are more than enough proofs that Nijisanji isn't ruled by female fans.

>>6916844
Wdym by that? Moona collabs with her "siblings" all the time.

>>6916828
The same way I wouldn't take posters on /vt/ thinking Akai Haato reincarnated as some indie when she was on break, I wouldn't take 5ch posts as anything worth caring about. They are lightning fast doxers but that isn't a topic appropriate for this board.

>>6916844
They’re aware that acknowledging random indies/small agencies as siblings can be dangerous.
Just look at how Kana freaked out on stream about Nacho and how jealous she was that she thinks Nacho likes Gura more.

>>6916851
It's safe to say that Chronoir leads the way in terms of most popular Nijisanji merchandise, right? This isn't the first time I've heard of booth crashing due to them.

>>6916312
>noticeable buff from Anime Expo
Does not look like it, not on live viewers at least

>pic related
All members of HoloMyth + the global average

>>6916902
>Moona collabs with her "siblings" all the time.
And it is always "sanctioned" by the talent itself. In Uto's case it was the other way around, Amelia didn't even know she existed before she started casting herself as "Amelia sister", leading to a very awkward situation where Amelia had to dismiss her as "some distant cousin"

>>6916904
>how jealous she was that she thinks Nacho likes Gura more.
Who?

>>6916902
ID management is quite lax & her "siblings" safe

>>6917163
Thank you. So I guess they're only benefitting merch wise.

>>6917197
If that wasn't a sarcastic "Who?", this is her
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bkceRO5vz0

>>6917328
Not sarcastic, I follow very little of HoloEN or EN indies

>>6915410
That is the thing. If you can already stand on your own with just your name and brand regardless where it came from, it will be pointless to sign up with a corpo. Standing as an indie is the best way to go. Ayamy, Nabi, Nacho, Rururdo, Ui and the rest of the rest of the other parents who are profiting from merch sales are doing it right.

>>6917197
>by the talent itself
The post I replied to was talking about Cover, not the talents.
>she started casting herself as "Amelia sister"
She never tried to force a collab and only confirmed once on stream that they are sisters after getting spammed about Ame for days.

>>6917201
Apparently Anya said ID is under the same rules as JP/EN. Also Polka collabed with a random indie just because she has the same name.
>her "siblings" safe
That's what I'm getting at, it's a case by case rather than some Cover imposed general rule.

>>6917328
I think her case is a little dicey since she came from a corpo that went indie. We don't know what the agreement is between the designer, vtuber and agency after the fallout. All I can say is that Nacho interacts fine with her other creations and even the indie Naname that she created. Ghosting Kana though was not professional but if she was bound by NDA she probably didn't have any say about the matter anyways

>>6917697
>She never tried to force a collab
True
>and only confirmed once on stream that they are sisters after getting spammed about Ame for days.
Also true. The spamming came after the deliberate online effort of her company to tag her along with Amelia tho.

>>6917697
Yeah. Rule implementation and interpretation is different for each talent. Gura and Kiara are the best examples of this when talking about Irys. Kiara shared info about her interactions about Irys while Gura was scared shitless to even say anything

>>6917753
Tags don't actually do anything. She was found by holofans due to Ame liking her debut tweet and Nabi retweeting it, then got clipped as Ame's sister etc.

>>6917765
I wouldn't be surprised if Gura has special restrictions given her size.

>>6917803
I doubt Gura has any restrictions. Just based off from how she reacted, she seems to be the type who takes everything at face value and just follow shit to the T. None of the girls have any issues talking, negotiating or even questioning the rules. It's only her.

>>6917702
>Ghosting
I profusely dislike this expression because it implies
1) that the lack of response is not a response all in itself
2) that there is an obligation of responding to unsolicited contact

Professional contact works this way
>you attempt contact
>no answer comes in a reasonable time
>you add said contact to your "shitlist / unreliable: do not contact" and move on
Becoming emotionally affected by it is silly and the word, overused

>>6917803
>Tags
I am not using "tagging along" as in "internet metatags", I am talking about a more deliberate effort by her company to associate both, which she mentioned and disavowed as something they made her do.
That's part of her own account if it tho, it is not even controversial and I don't think she denies her company did lots of shitty things to grow her account

>>6917850
This only applies if you haven't had any past or on-going business with the person. Being a parent to a vtuber already implies continued support for the entirety of your career unless you chose to use other designers for aesthetic changes. Even if you did choose someone else, it is still proper decorum to let the other person know that you will make changes since it is their creation.

>>6917328
This voice is so weird but kinda cute.

>>6917163
If I'm not reading this wrong, HoloEN's numbers have been going down slowly (some are more noticeable than the others) since the beginning of July. Any idea what the cause might be? I thought it could have been Niji's debuts, but Wave 1 debuted all the way back in May and Wave 2 just debuted Mid July.

>>6917848
That's also possible I suppose. I was more referring to something like being allowed to collab with random indies compared to other holomem, but there is no way to know if that's the case for now.

>>6917894
>I am talking about a more deliberate effort by her company to associate both, which she mentioned and disavowed as something they made her do.
This was only in regards to metatags (the other things she mentioned were not related to "associating" with Hololive).

>>6917964
>HoloEN's numbers have been going down slowly (some are more noticeable than the others) since the beginning of July. Any idea what the cause might be?
That's a "return to the mean", as they had a huge inflation in views thanks to dropping songs and the new outfits.

If you notice most of them are ahead of where they were before the outfits were released by some 2k, 3k viewers

>>6918000
>This was only in regards to metatags
That she knows of and disclosed. This is a subject better left behind tho, she's a sweet girl that doesn't need that black mark hanging over her

>>6918000
The only way that Gura can even collab outside of Gen was through the efforts of other people. Not her. I doubt she will even initiate a request. Ina for one drew Pikamee and had been talking with her since Pikamee had a 2D update. Ame takes everything as they come. The only know restriction was Coco confirmed by Mori and any unknown dudes based off from the shadowverse tournament.

>>6917934
Not absolute, some niji change their mama/have different illustrator for their costume. And indies do that a lot

I think there's generally a drop in viewerships during the summer, at least in the western world.

>>6918134
Kana for one has to change her model because changes cannot be confirmed anymore. Lolo who is a vtuber made by Rurudo is going to change her model because the agreement between her and Rurudo has expired. Again, it depends on what is the agreement that was made when the character was made. But the fact that Kana has to change models means any changes has to be approved by Nacho.

Here is the "Most Popular" list for Playboard
https://playboard.co/en/youtube-ranking/most-popular-all-channels-in-japan-weekly

I don't know what their metric is but that clipper "Sushi" surely is up in the weekly list.
That explains a lot of the recent success of Subaru, as clippers are very friendly to her
>thanks to her acknowledging Virtual Tengoku on stream

Smart girl!

>>6918225
It’s worth noting that Nacho is not her original designer, she did the remake as part of her going to tsunderia iirc

>>6918286
Also, as far as Playboard is concerned, Mori is not a "channel" but an "Artist" and ranks in a separate rank

> which she holds #3 in the monthly rank
https://playboard.co/en/chart/artist/most-popular-all-channels-in-japan-monthly

>>6918286
Sushi is general Holo clippings and probably only one of the few decent ones, Probably the best one.

>>6918391
Sushi oshi is Subaru

>>6918410
>Sushi oshi is Subaru
Sometimes people underestimate that.

There is very little difference between Aki and Haachama in base model, general design, initial demeanor and even debut environment.
What made one a million subs very missed and mentioned everyday while the other ended up being famous for being a charity case is
>the fanbase

Haaton carried Haachama the whole way. Her OP is made by Haaton, both song and animation, her ED is made by Haaton, both song and animation, the MV of her official single, most of the MMDs and animations on her shitpost songs.
Haachama is pretty much the avatar shared by all Haaton, she takes their output and make it shine in front of the world.

And that fan participation and enthusiasm plus the fact Haaton are as talented as they are degenerate created this behemoth which, to this day, after a month of hiatus
> leads her genmate in ALL metrics on Holostats

One thing most people missed about Hololive Alternative PV
>that started as a FAN PROJECT that happened to be led by very talented people in the industry
That's why not every holo has a role, the artists banded and CREATE IT FOR THEIR OSHIS, Cover simply give the green light and likely some financial backing (time and materials, at most).
Talented people will move the world for their oshi. IF I would have once advice for a talent entering the industry, it would be
>make sure you value everything your followers produce
>you never know when one of them will be REDALICE

>>6918410
why difference does that make? He doesn't only clip Subaru.

>>6918637
>make sure you value everything your followers produce
Don't forget to filter the schizos though.

>>6918857
>Don't forget to filter the schizos though.
JEJ, the fact Haachama reach 1M way before Matsuri is the schizos tho.

Anyway, speaking of clippers
> the algorithm surely took a fancy for that "Luna Virus" bloke
and wherever the clippers go the talent goes

>>6917163
Take Gura out of the calculation, she skews the numbers too much.

>>6910497
Is there an anon that post reversed stream link directly from SPWN without login required to view? Gosh I wish he would come back.

>>6910326
>>6919390
I think he bought the ticket then using network inspect to grab the stream link, isn't it?

>>6918637
>One thing most people missed about Hololive Alternative PV
>>that started as a FAN PROJECT that happened to be led by very talented people in the industry
>That's why not every holo has a role, the artists banded and CREATE IT FOR THEIR OSHIS, Cover simply give the green light and likely some financial backing (time and materials, at most).
>Talented people will move the world for their oshi. IF I would have once advice for a talent entering the industry, it would be
Source?

>>6917964
Cover needs to release holo EN gen 2 soon in order to maintain interest. People need more of a variety, as they’re likely getting somewhat bored. Some are probably going elsewhere too.

>>6919729
>Source?
Hopefully you’re doing your Japanese reps
https://twitter.com/tanigox/status/1362021193088339972

>>6920456
Here is what started it all

>>6915712
Still don't understand Japanese's craze for buying those kind of merchs, when it's easier to just print the png yourself. I thought the Japanese was a little bit smarter than to buy 500-1000 yen stand that's worth shit after a year. But, if they originally made 500 of those thing, then it was an easy $2500.

>watch EN stream
>viewer numbers keep fluctuating wildly, constantly going up and down
>watch JP stream
>numbers stay stable for the most part
Why are EN viewers so ADHD?

>>6920817
Because half of them are ESL, just happens that EN is the closest to something undersestable if you don't know japanese

>>6920495
For those who don’t know her (Yūkei YAMADA) here’s her portfolio
https://myanimelist.net/people/43103/Yuukei_Yamada
Well rounded animator, animation director and character designer for Fate Apocrypha

I’m not sure (need more reps) but from what I could figure out Kanata is her Oshi

>>6918637
Sounds like you forgot to take your meds along with your red pills.

>>6920914
>take your meds
NEVER!

>>6920671
If you're thinking about it only in terms of cost-benefit you're really misunderstanding it at a fundamental level.

Predictions for the Minecraft collab for Holo EN? I’m thinking Gura pulls 16k, and lower for everyone else. This is taking into consideration the holo EN decline.

>>6921298
>Decline
In comparison with which period? Take a look at >>6917163 before answering

>>6912147
no lol. Knight and Prince (male idol group) just did a livestream to like 250k viewers a few days ago. BTS songs premiere to millions of live viewers.

>>6921397
>Holo EN never dropped in numbers.
I responded to this nonsense before. I will simply repeat myself: You count all growth—even the first four months—when there is apparent loss of interest with live numbers decreasing, you count that as well. The decline of Holo EN has occurred twice. What saved it momentarily was the new outfits, then it went back into decline again. Anyone who has been here for some time has seen the drop in Gura’s live viewers, which was momentarily saved by the outfit stream, only to be in decline again.

>>6921298
Bad time for taiwan, hongkong and majority of asian so may be 14k for gura.

>>6921823
Are you crying over everyone declining after their birthday streams are over?

>>6921889
>birthday
Never mentioned it. Anything else to add?

>>6921938
They are special events in which more people than usual makes time to be there, that viewership drops off afterwards is normal to get the normal numbers

>>6922003
You’re saying that because an outfit stream may get back some of the lost viewership by reigniting interest for a month or two, that it’s not an increase in viewers. And that the first four months or whatever of live viewers doesn’t count as growth. When obviously interest became somewhat lost over time, and the outfit stream simply got people invested again.

Schizos who say females can't succeed in Nijisanji btfo. Lain has more subs than anyone besides Leos despite fucking up her debut badly.

If you starting counting Holo EN live viewers from the start, you can see a decline. Nothing really to debate. It’s just reality. JP is likely able to maintain interest better by having a greater selection of talent, and maybe also because of a greater interest in VTubing. Maybe things will change for Holo EN after Gen 2 releases (increasing the selection), but pretending a decline of interest never occurred for Holo EN is rather ridiculous.

>>6921855
Only good for EST.
PST people are still at work.

>>6921823
The new outfits are that bump on the graphic, yet their numbers haven't dived after that, when looking at the numbers before the bump. Thus, not declining.
Anyone who has been here has called you retarded multiple times already, yet you keep repeating yourself and failing to perform the most basic of graphs-reading.

>>6922750
>The new outfits are that bump on the graphic
A bump occurring, because of a decline having occurred earlier.
>called you retarded multiple times
I don’t need to resort to that myself, because reality is on my side.

>>6922966
anon, we finally found you

Looking at Gura to probably top out at 16k assuming this collab goes on for at least another hour+
Ina probs about 12k
Calli probs caps at 8k
Kiara at 6k
Ame at 7k
They're still gathering up, they'll cap when they clap the dragon.
Also, man Mori is just...so painfully incompetent when compared to the rest of EN when it comes to Minecraft.

>>6923159
You shouldn’t assume everyone who disagrees with you is the same person.
>>6925411
>Looking at Gura to probably top out at 16k assuming this collab goes on for at least another hour+
That’s what I picked before it started, right here: >>6921298
>They're still gathering up, they'll cap when they clap the dragon.
True, so the 16k might be a bit lower than it ends up.

that's assuming they can get to that fucking dragon

>>6925411
Pekora solo gets higher numbers than the top 2 ENs combined. What is it about Pekora that goes so well with Minecraft?

>>6926269
top 2 combined = 17k+13k (atm), peko solo was 20k

Live viewers for Minecraft collab so far:
Kiara: 5.2k
Mori: 6.8k
Ina: 13k (has a lot of her own dedicated fans)
Ame: 7.3k
Gura: 17k (has a lot of her own dedicated fans)

>>6926585
you'd expect mori to have more of her own dedicated fans, but I guess they care as little for minecraft as calliope herself

>>6926585
I'm still at work. I'll join the stream in an hour...

>>6926269
>Goal focused
>Consistent MC streams build a continuous narrative that viewers want to keep up with
>Higher chance of interactions with other holomems due to more people being online at random
>Single timezone for primary viewership + viewer meta in NA favoring VOD views

>>6926508
She passed 20k with that EOP repellent shin-chan game. She gets 30k or above on minecraft

>>6926761
The EN branch desperately needs a new generation for minecraft to work out...

People often underestimate Ina, who is #2 right now during the collab, and almost 6k higher than the next Holo EN.

>>6926847
they are connecting the EN and JP servers soon, supposedly after beating the Ender Dragon

>>6926508

so how are the ranks in EN's minecraft proficiency?
Ina>Ame>Kiara>Gura>Mori?
want to know if there is any correlation with their live numbers

Minecraft collab so far for live viewers:
Kiara: 5.6k
Mori: 7.2k
Ina: 15k (only 4k under Gura, crazy good)
Ame: 8.4k
Gura: 19k
>>6927629
I want to know this too.

>>6927629
That order should be correct, Gura might be = Kiara for some aspects, but Kiara spends more time in MC so she edges ahead.

Shark doesn't care about your puny collab debuff

>>6928300
Miko got more

>>6926585
Pretty shitty numbers for a bunch of 1 million chuubas.
Ina is the only one who's doing well.

>>6928508
>>6928441
>Robocco 1700
kek

Try to guess VOD views after one day?

>>6928441
after Pekora stopped streaming, fucken leech

>>6928508
Kiara and Mori fanbases are wack due to timezone+ assorted self debuffs.
All 3 of the NA girls have picked up numbers as West coasters have started to get home from work.

>dumb shark is actually winning the total number of deaths game

Do you think MC is a debuff game for Gura ?
She mentioned she didn't have much passion unless there has a collab.

>>6922478
She got a lot because tourist fell for her ditzy act. Show me decent live view numbers in October and I will kneel then.

>>6928632
Please don't bully Roboco. She lost to a homo today.

>>6929199
When all are streaming, people follow their preferred streamer. It’s a good way to see who has the most dedicated fans.

>>6929711
She's climbing, but she's steaming at a very odd time for JP (started at 7am) and isnt gonna be grabbing EOP audience since they're gonna watch the MC collab

>>6928300
Ina is the true winner

What would be gen 3s number if they did the ender dragon quest?

>>6930049
Gura current at 23k, Ina at 17k, so both Gura and Ina are “winners”. The rest did badly.

Ina exposes Gura for the dead sub fraud that she is. She should have three times more viewers than her yet the difference is almost negligible.

>>6930546
stfu already schizo

>>6928300
>>6930493
Looks like Ina's fanbase is pretty much the only one in EN that actually likes minecraft.

>>6930546
So...you mean someone can beat Gura with 1 sub and 1 live viewer?

>>6930546
I think the issue is more Holo EN in general than Gura in particular. To focus on just Gura is more of a troll than reality. She’s doing the best in Holo EN, so it makes less sense to focus on her when looking for someone doing badly.

>>6930493
Ame got around her regular MC numbers despite starting 10 mins after everyone else and sharing views with 4 others, she did fine.
Kiara and Calli's normal audiences don't watch them at these times. Ina just vastly overperformed, since she's clearly the best MC player.

verdict: Saint Gura The Blessed, Player of Games, Mark of the True Gamer, has had a total of:
>0 deaths
you may now kneel

>>6927781
Last shiraken collab
Miko: 26.6k
Flare: 11k
Suisei: 10k

>>6931285
>despite starting 10 mins after
When all are streaming, people go to their preferred streamer. In this way, Ame did badly compared to Gura and Ina for example.
>Ina just vastly overperformed
Ina getting second to Gura in live viewers is not uncommon, and probably has a higher amount of JP viewers or something.

>>6930863
Ina's timeslot is always 4PM EDT. They stay onwards. This is really how the HoloEN trinity is. Ame is in the middle. People don't stay for Ame though especially if she's playing a platform game. Gura is at 8PM but peaks at 9PM onwards. You can check holostats. I'm too lazy to take a screenshot

Next, VOD views. Try to guess how many will they get after a day.

>>6931419
This is really hard to gauge since Shirnaui ken usually start their collab at 9PM JST which is primetime. This MC stream started at 6PM EDT which is 2hrs before NA primetime

>>6931717
This is an example

>>6931419
JP minecraft numbers blow EN's out of the water regularly so that's expected. Compared to JP, most of EN's live view numbers are at best average except for Gura. EN catches up later in VOD views.

Mori is literally the most incompetent gamer in the group, therefore, she gets the low views

>>6932045
Here is another one. This is the same reason why chumbuds that also watches Irys wants her to start her streams 11PM onwards so that they can catch both streams with little overlap. This whole time adjustments is hurting Gura's average

>>6932150
You aren't really considering the time slot. All big MC collabs that are big deals happens at JP primetime. Mostly after 8PM JST. These EN bunch adjusts their times to fit each other's timezones without really thinking of their audience' availability. If they did this on a weekend with the same timeslot or later after 8PM EDT they will get bigger numbers

Mori only needs to maintain 6K-10K viewers while having decent music sales.

>>6932282
Yea, I'd give it a few more weeks for them to figure out where gen1+ IRyS are going to stream time-wise, but if people who spec that gen 2 is gonna hit at the end of the month, then it's gonna be all bets off for who gets what time.

Are there any hypothesis between live views and post-views of streams?
For example, Gura had around 17-23k views for around 2 hours and got 146K post views. But, the debut of new nijis like Leos iirc had 90k peak for 40 mins but his post views was 10k.

>>6921298
>>6925411
heh

>>6932711
Wait at least 6 hours to get the right VOD view count.

>>6932582
I don't disagree, but even with the best possible EN timezone, HoloEN minecraft streams won't get 50k+ like hyped HoloJP MC streams. HoloJP viewers are all minecraft nuts that push many mid-tier holos to 10k+, whereas EN usually hovers around 10k despite bigger subcounts. Nothing wrong with that. Timezones are always going to suck for EN due to the global audience, it's just how it is.

>>6932711
Different type of stream.
You might switch to others to see different POV

>>6932711
The views immediately at end of live is a random guess based on the amount of subs the person has.

>>6932711
Stop trying to push this Nijiviewbot propaganda. Youtube VOD views glitch sometimes when a lot of people watch a stream at once and it takes them time to sort it out and count the correct # of views.

>>6932873
JP MC streams has more novelty because they have established lore. We have to wait until JP and EN servers get connected to get more spice into this dead EN server. I mean Korone and Marine got 20k easy playing MC during NA hours.

Post EN collab. thought there'd be a significat increase.

>>6933223
I'm pretty sure people will tune in to watch Gura play MC expecting to see how she will react to a trap that Pekora of Miko built if they ever built one on EN. Even JP viewers will wake up just for that.

>>6932873
EN minecraft won't work with the current roster due to lack of storyline.
They are too close to one another that they have to RP with their RP characters.

>>6933417
There was for Elira. She's the only one with a significant holotourist fanbase because she panders to them.

>>6933417
You might as well mention ID and stars with that number combinations.

>>6933485
https://playboard.co/en/video/4gzTmJwcgcA
You can see the moment HoloEN's collab ended.

>>6933711
>50% bump
God damn

>>6932711
channel's first stream view at the end is always bugged. idk why you keep pushing this bot narrative.

>>6933417
The HoloEN collab ended around 16:50-17:00.

https://playboard.co/en/video/C3Sq5vvkif4
https://playboard.co/en/video/4gzTmJwcgcA
https://playboard.co/en/video/tOxWOhadRzo
https://playboard.co/en/video/PS9GfNoesec

They all got a bump, some bigger than others.

>>6934125
Mostly a bump from Selen ending for the others.

>>6928858
Ame and Mori around 200k
Ina 250k+
Kiara 150k
Gura 400k+

ollie doing good on chess again, does anybody know if shes actually winning?

>>6934316
4.7k. That's pretty much 85% of the entire NijiEN current live viewers.

>>6934261
Selen herself got a bump of around 400 (from 1100) after HoloEN killed the ender dragon. Look at 16:40 to 15:00.

>>6934316
She's not good at chess, but miraculously won her last match. Her competition so far in the tournament is around her level.

>>6933223
Ina is going to be the big winner when the servers are connected. I can see her minecraft streams eventually jumping to 15-20k if she plays her cards right.

>>6934478
She was at the final boss

>>6933845
Okay, now this one is a better comparison. For the most part, I thought nijidebut would at least get 30-40k post views. Not less than that. The only one I've seen was Leos and the second guy. Leos got 10k post view even though he was the one with highest live views and had a 40 minute stream while second dude gets 18k post views at around 70-80k and had a much shorter stream. I know post-views are inaccurate, I just can't help but be intrigued how YT calculates those numbers. Even a short ~30min pekora stream had much more post views than them.

Ollie peaking at 6.1k after winning a game. How does this girl keep winning LOL

>>6934544
Anyone can be a big winner. It depends on 2 things really. 1. If they build a bond with a JP that clippers and the audience can latch onto 2. If they setup an event or start a project. Watson will easily attract people like Miko. Gura will attract all of the lolicons and Miko. Ina will attract Gen5. If they actually do something in-game to build a connection then you will see big views. Kiara will probably have to get good and organize an event. Mori is meh. Whoever attracts Pekora will get good numbers

>>6934429
>nijien out of no where
Rent free

>>6931285
Also, it's just Ina's time slot, just ~1h after her regular streams.
Also, she had the cleanest setup for tourists, you get to see when everyone else is talking.

>>6934976
It's not out of nowhere. They are literally streaming right now. We were talking who is getting the bulk of of the viewership after the EN MC collab. Now we know a majority of them went to Ollie

So, we're going to get that EN 2 announcement after Oga's debut, huh?

Ollie was blessed by the number gods after pledging her fealty on her math streams. There is no stopping her now.

>>6935167
What makes people so sure about this? I still don't get it.

>>6935269
Empty schedule I think.

>>6935269
Because it's not happening in August and they don't want to wait until September. I've seen no proof of it myself.

>>6935269
If they don't do it soon it'll be too late as interest in hololive drops further.

>>6935167
I'd wait a couple more hours, debut announcements are generally at 11PM EST, IRyS was the one exception.

>>6935434
NijiEN got all the good indie talent and Miki. Hololive is either scrapping the barrel or they got 5 outsiders.

>>6935167
There's still 5 dudes that has to do 3D and then the holo anniversaries and birthdays which I am assuming has 3D stuff involved as well. I dunno if that will be possible

>>6935486
It's pretty obvious by how Gen 1 was picked that they're not exactly looking to just scoop up indies like Nijisanji. They're looking for content creators.

>>6935486
Based off from historical recruits which are EN and ID2. There is 2 in 9 chance you can get in by simply being a streamer, past vtuber or a nobody.

Ame - VA, Streamer
Gura - YouTuber with a big following, casual streamer
Mori - Music producer, MV Maker
Ina - Artist, casual streamer
Kiara - Idol, streamer, content creator
Reine - Utaite, vtuber
Anya - Nobody that I can confirm
Ollie - vtuber

>>6935708
Actually it's now 2 in 10 because even though Irys is the Vsinger, she streams regularly. She streams before but is more well known as a utaite.

>>6935511
Next week is the only week they could ever hoped to debut EN 2 with especially on how packed August and September are. If they debut them there, then next year will be whole lot of packed schedules in one month. July only has Pekora, Rushia and matsuri's birthday. It's the only week with a clean schedule.

>>6935708
People still thinks success for corpos lies from getting all "popular indie vtuber".

HoloEN worked because they aren't typical.

>>6935791
I don't know if it's a good idea. We shall see I guess how they will handle this. The whole Vsinger debut was a mess in my opinion. They released the teaser on their vtuber's birthday. Kek

>>6935708
I bet more singers. Karaoke is where the big numbers at.

>>6935887
No, her birthday was technically over. Also Kiara didn't mind.

>>6926269
It was the pekomoona arc and pekora notice it. Since then she's been gathering forces for future collab like botan, sora, and towa. Also >>6926761

>>6935887
>They released the teaser on their vtuber's birthday
What's wrong with that? People don't stop everything they're doing for the entire day just because someone has a birthday.

>>6935887
Pulled the smartest move, their competitors had to react quickly.

>>6935859
Ollie is the breakout star in ID2 so they did choose the right one in her. But as far as Group debuts, they rely heavily in dynamics and uniqueness. They never release talents that are almost exactly the same talents wise compared to any in the group nor in the previous gens. If we say they hire another artist, you will be certain they will have the opposite personality of Ina.

>>6935887
vsinger was postponed af because of graduation cant blame them. I mean her twitter was created in Feb, and youtube channel in May.

>>6936136
Why does it smells like a pro animator would join in like dudul or new nijijp guy?

>>6936219
Was it really postponed? I think it all came down to their preparations of fully animated MV and album.

>>6936248
I don't know how you can make animation creations entertaining stream-wise. A singer is a certain. They always have at least 1 in every gen in all branches. An artist is not certain. Only Marine was a person that was considered an artist prior to joining Holo. A streamer is certain as well. They may not be a vtuber though but there is always 1-2 in the group. 1 cunny of course. 1 "variety" streamer and 1 "gamer" as well. Mind you that gamer, streamer, cunny and variety can all be combined or mixed. I am hoping someone that is great with instruments gets in.

>>6934871
Just said anon. You know kiara will stick to pegora like glue

>>6936106
>Nijisanji has released 8 talents since IRyS debuted
Hololive would be stupid to let this stand.

>>6936882
it's cover, they're not competent enough to find their way out of a wet paper bag.

>>6936136
It's also why you can't really predict who will join. Most indies fall into the same category of "they just stream", which isn't what Cover is looking for (Yagoo said you have to have some skill/talent that makes you stand out).
From what I remember, everyone in NijiEN were just your run of the mill streamer who had some amount of popularity.
Personally I think so far that Selen was the main really good pick from the 2 waves (Ironically she's also a huge hololive fan).

>>6936962
> a huge hololive fan
Don't meet your hero, anon.

>>6936962
>Ironically she's also a huge hololive fan
I think only Pomu and Petra were Nijifans in their previous lives. Good for them that they got into the company they like.

>>6936962
Selen has been watching Nijisanji since 2020.

>>6936882
They never seen each other as competitor or rival anon. It was the nijiniggers first who went tribal and pushed the agenda and the holofags responded in the same manner. It was all among the fanbase. The two company has a totally different genre and audience, they never overlap as much as people think.
>hololive = 50%weeb, 25%idol otaku, and 25% normies/gamers
>nijisanji = 50%normies, 25% fujoshit/boyidolfags, 25%gamerfags (apexfags, etc.)

>>6937180
And she is been watching holo since gen1 debut

>>6937256
>hololive = 50% ironic weeb
fix'd for you

>>6937256
>They never seen each other as competitor
Of course they do, it’s just good business for that to remain behind closed doors.

>>6937256
The compete for sponsors, investors, and in the youtube algorithm. There is potential overlap in fans, even a 5% shift is big.

Cover was in a position to turn down a lot of people, and probably got top talent for Gen 2 given the popularity of Holo EN. I expect big things. I think many here probably underestimating how big it will be in terms of talent.

>>6936882
I'm really surprised at how restrained Hololive has been when it comes to releasing vtubers.
Since there were only 5 ENs for about 10 months, there were a lot of dead hours for other companies to capitalize on.
Hololive could have released ENs as fast as possible taking all the largest indies and had like 15-20 by now making sure that there is almost always an EN to watch.
This would have made it so much harder for other companies to compete since viewers would be less inclined to seek alternatives to Hololive if there was always an EN on.

>>6937581
>Hololive could have released ENs as fast as possible
I think they can afford to be picky. Plus we can expect big things if they were.

>>6937256
Nijisanji seems to be dabbling more into the Fujoshit and Apexfags just by judging from their new hires. I agree though that the majority of their audience are different. There is overlap for sure since there are streamers in both camps that pretty much streams the same things.

>>6937336
The weeb here is more often than not normies as well. People that would watch Marine/Pekora might be true weebs while people that would watch Haachama are just ironic weebs.

>>6937540
>Cover was in a position to turn down a lot of people
If you'd followed the western indie scene on this board you'd know that they weren't, recruitment is down compared to holoEN 1 because of the scandals that have been hitting hololive ever since last year

>>6937749
>recruitment is down compared to holoEN 1
Most people didn’t think they stood a chance for EN Gen 2. The absolute explosion of popularity for Holo EN, allowed Cover to be extremely picky for EN Gen 2. The reason they can get top talent is because people want to make money, and Hololive showed that ability beforehand.

>>6937581
Small agency please undastando.
But seriously they grow to fast for their
management to keep up with. It was wise of yagoo to hold JP auditions to stabilize their and build a strong foundation before taking more talents.

>>6937749
>If you'd followed the western indie scene on this board
Your argument is invalid

>>6938106
You're downplaying the massive hit the hololive brand has taken with the Taiwan yab, the censoring of their talents, restriction on their creative freedom and removal of archived videos. No one's going to sign up for hololive when they can look at how much NijiEN makes and realize they can earn as much money while not having to work with shitty management.

>>6937749
I seriously doubt this is true, if anything recruitment should be way up from EN1 since Hololive became much more well known since the first auditions.
The EN 2 auditions ended in March so the only relevant "scandal" would have been the Taiwan stuff which isn't an issue for anyone not in China.

>>6938267
>Earn as much money as nijiEN if they work for nijiEN
You do understand that IRyS made 30k in 10 days right in comparison to Pomu relying on birthday buffs and God knows karaoke to get to $50k in two months? In the wise words of a Sun Tzu, why settle for less?

>>6938267
>You're downplaying the massive hit the hololive brand has taken with the Taiwan yab
People looking to make money VTubing don’t care as much as you apparently do about that.
>the censoring of their talents, restriction on their creative freedom
You’re right about that part. Most people here don’t understand just how much Cover’s image got hurt by that. Having said that, you are still greatly underestimating the talent coming. The reason is because Cover only hurt themselves by such things, they didn’t kill themselves yet. Overall, you’re right to point it out because some idiots here don’t understand that Cover made some bad moves.
>No one's going to sign up for hololive when they can look at how much NijiEN makes and realize they can earn as much money while not having to work with shitty management.
We are not at that point for an EN audience. Yes, Cover management is bad, but Hololive is still the place to be for EN VTubers.

>>6938335
Management's mistreatment of Coco and Haachama was a serious problem ever since the Taiwan issue. No one wants to join a company that won't have your back and throw you under the bus just for saying the name of a country.

>>6938267
Do you have any proof of that or it's just your prediction?

>>6938453
IRys will be lucky to make $50k in two months now that her debut buff has worn off. You settle for slightly less money in return for vastly more creative freedom and hassle-free streaming, instead of being micromanaged by management to stream what they want at the times they want.

>>6938584
It's probably the same schizo that used /asp/ as their source a couple threads ago.

>>6937749
>>6938267
O God you're back. Fuck off retard.

This was what he posted in yesterday's thread. >>6902672 he got dunked on by everyone already.

>>6938558
The point is that despite the shitty Cover management, Hololive is still the place to be for EN VTubers. How are you not able to see that? It might change in the future (because Cover did take a hit), but we aren’t quite there yet. They would need to take more hits, more screw ups, more bad management.

>>6938549
>Most people here don’t understand just how much Cover’s image got hurt by that
lol no, only retards posting on anonymous internet boards care about that shit. The overwhelming majority of fans only care about it to the extent that they're trying to feel that Coco had a good reason to leave.

>>6938584
This >>6902672 was the proof he posted yesterday. Don't bite the bait.

>>6938706
The fact is that no one knows better about what's going on in the indie scene than /asp/ and /wvt/, they're the ones who really know what's going on. So no, there's no dunking going on, just delusions that the grassroot voices in indie vtubing don't matter.

>>6938629
Based on her numbers, she has a better stable SC performance compared to the highest earner of NijiEN which is Pomu.

>>6938795
What the potential recruits think matter more than the fans, and they're guaranteed to have soured on hololive at this point.

>>6938827
So you are one of those retards that think that 4chan is the rule of the law because 20-50 Ips are discussing thread over thread about the same topic.

>>6938795
I strongly disagree. These things add up slowly over time. I seen views somewhat change about Cover, while they used to seem invincible before. People are saying that Cover means less freedom for VTubers, and this was pushed more by Coco leaving. The idea that Cover is beyond being affected by screw ups is just wrong.

The problem with that other guy is he thinks Cover is finished, which is completely retarded. The argument I’m making is they only hurt themselves by the Coco situation. And that they are still in a position to get top talent.

>>6939051
You know that the auditions has already happened and finished 3 months before Coco even announced her graduation right?

>>6939183
I’m not arguing that Cover can’t get top talent, that other guy was. I’m not arguing that Cover is not beyond being affected by screw ups.

One person is arguing that Cover is finished.
I’m arguing that they took a hit, but are doing fine.
You’re arguing that they are invincible.

>>6938629
IRyS already has an international chart topping EP bank rolled by Cover.

>>6939373
Nope. I am saying your point is moot because of the sole reason that they should already have 5 talents in the bag waiting in the shadows since March or latest April if the numbers of applicants were so great to filter. The whole Coco situation fizzled after 2 weeks of people discussing it btw. Not that you even bothered to look at shit. Your whole "creative freedom" standpoint doesn't seem to stop any of the Holo talents in proving creative steams as well. If anything, I would argue other corpos are doing jackshit with their "creative freedom" playing all but Apex and whatnot. The Hologirls sure are restricted given how many conventions, solo projects and concerts they are doing.

>>6939051
They are not in a position to get top talent, they are at best 3rd behind Nijisanji and VShojo in the western vtubing scene now, and with how fast Nijisanji is growing and hiring they'll get the best of the bunch while the crumbs that Cover can pick up won't be particularly good.

>>6939601
>bank-rolled by Cover
>most of the money goes back to Cover
Not a good argument unless you wanted to point out how much more equitable Nijisanji is when it comes to sharing revenue with its talents

>>6939668
Bahroo has more hold than Vshojo. HoloID has more hold than NijiEN. HoloEN is worth all the small western vtuber agencies including Vshojo combined

>>6939761
Unless you know how much is the profit distribution is with Niji then I suggest you shut the fuck up, And again, This is the numbers as far as SC performance alone >>6938861

Triggers me a bit whenever Ame murders her own numbers like right now.

>uses Mario 64 thumbnail
>titles her stream "Minecraft 64"
>Slowly gains viewership over time as more and more people realize it's actually a minecraft stream
>Switches to Mario 64 right before hitting 10k and culls her numbers

Ame whyyyyy you monthly averagessss

>>6939606
>I am saying your point is moot
My point is that Cover takes damage from screw ups, insomuch as they are not invincible.
>Your whole "creative freedom" standpoint…
I wasn't the one that brought it up, only that it’s important to maintain it. Also I didn’t say Cover couldn’t get top talent despite it, the other guy did.
>other corpos are doing jackshit with their "creative freedom" playing all but Apex and whatnot.
That’s not what is meant by it. It’s more about letting the streamers do the streams, uploads, and such, that they want with less restrictions or oversight. Less micromanaging them.

I think you are making too big a deal about this, as the focus was originally more on the potential talent for Gen 2.

>>6939668
>They are not in a position to get top talent, they are at best 3rd behind Nijisanji and VShojo in the western vtubing scene now
ahhahahahaahahhahahahahahahahhahahaha

>>6939051
People talk about Holo supposedly being so much more restrictive but there really isn't that much difference in content between the two.
What's the point of having more freedom if you're not going to make use of it? Being able to play a dice game isn't a very compelling reason to choose Niji over Holo.
I don't think Hololive is being restrictive in terms of not letting their talents try new things or get creative, Ame proves this. It's more about not wanting their talents to do things that will get them banned from Youtube.
In the past year or so Hololive has grown super fast and the consequence of that growth is that anything they do will get a lot of attention.
In other words, Hololive is much more likely to get in trouble than an indie or small company vtuber.
So unless you plan on making a lot of really edgy, or vulgar content, restrictions won't really matter to you.

>>6939606
It doesn't matter whether the other companies' streamers are doing exactly the same type of streams that hololive does, what matters is that the hololive streamers have complained publicly about the lack of freedom while those companies have streamers that constantly praise the freedom they're allowed. Image and perception matters.

>>6921298
She peaked at 22k I think. Which is still a good number.

>>6940064
>It's more about not wanting their talents to do things that will get them banned from Youtube.
Incorrect, as Covers restrictions go beyond YouTube TOS. So why do such restrictions (like causing Coco to leave) exist then? Probably after the China thing, Cover felt they needed to control their talent better. Also probably because of sponsorships, so a family friendly move was probably in mind.

>>6940277
>family friendly
You don't even watch clips, much less streams.

>>6940006
Your whole argument only applies to EN and JP6. And this is only valid IF and only IF they don't have talents yet recruited. IF and only IF they just started looking. Again. Recruitment has been done since early March. None of your point mattered at that point in time for HoloEN2.

>It’s more about letting the streamers do the streams, uploads, and such, that they want with less restrictions or oversight. Less micromanaging them.
The only thing you can argue is permissions on certain games. That is it. If Amelia is so restricted she won't be able to upload her original song out of the blue. Kiara nor Mori won't even be able to collab whatsover with Vshojo. And you are seriously undermining the level of hate and propaganda some chinks are implementing to sabotage any holopro. They only need to say 1 magic word to get a barrage of spam. A level of monitoring is required already at this point

>>6940354
A move, meaning in that general direction. Perhaps limiting swearing a bit, and many other such things. A tight leash to keep potential sponsorships happy, and prevent another China situation.

In an unrelated tangent, the Tokyo Olympics ceremony is going to be held tonight at 8PM JST. It'll be interesting to see if it impacts the numbers of anyone streaming at the same time.

>>6940081
Doesn't that negate whatever your point is? They are open to say what they feel and think. They are able to do what they want even if they endure backlash. The talents are open to express shit. As far as what is observable, EN most of all has been getting more permissions more than ever to do certain things since Coco announced her leaving. The only thing they aren't really talking about is the whole chink thing.

>>6940410
>The only thing you can argue is permissions on certain games
Are you trolling me? So when Gura said before that she wasn’t doing uploads because management needed to okay every aspect of it until she lost interest (Gura said she needed to do things when she first got the idea), that is all I need say to you? Or Coco saying that everything she was trying to do would have management telling her to censor this and that, was all I needed to say? Or management telling Mori to reduce her swearing? Or?

The point is only one thing need be true (like what Coco said), for management to be viewed as more restrictive. You pretending nothing happened is completely retarded.

Coco also told Holo EN girls to fight management censorship. This is after Coco talked with many of the girls in private.

>>6940913
Source?

>>6941052
>source for Coco mentioning censorship
Go to 1:55:00:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XV-VghW7SaM

>>6940655
It doesn't, because again perception matters. On one hand you have streamer A talking constantly about how management is cramping their style. On the other you have streamer B talking constantly about how supportive management is. It doesn't matter at all if both A & B end up just streaming the same type of content with no discernible difference, the major impression that people will get is that streamer A is working for a restrictive company and will then be turned off from supporting that company in the future.

>>6940468
I'll wait until you have a TTRPG series, A talkshow, Chibi 3D streams, A duck arresting lolicons and shotacons, Whatever it is Okayu made for Mio as a song or A legend of Polka series,

>>6940819
Gura won't upload shit - that certainly never stopped Ame, Marine, Kanata, Polka, Kiara, Coco and Watame from uploading
Coco has already explained through member and non-member streams that whatever she did before was not acceptable now in the current environment of Hololive. She acknowledged that she knows that if she uploads something risky that she can potentially endanger her fellow Holopro. She knows they were only acceptable because they were so small back then. She actually agreed on the changes especially the ones after the whole Haachama ordeal. She specifically said that she was an old timer that just can't keep up with the times. She knows this because whatever she did adds fuel to any chinkers that are monitoring her. Mori still swears to this day. So does Kiara and even Amelia.

>>6941209
Everything you listed, Nijisanji does too. But Nijisanji also does swimsuit streams and 3D designs with lots of cleavage, which hololive no longer does.

>>6941190
And this is why I know you are just a tourist. A lot of the girls do a lot of variety streams. A lot are not caught in the wave of just following the Apex fad.

>>6941209

>Mori still swears to this day
You need reading comprehension. I said management told her to reduce it, not stop completely.
>Gura won't upload shit
It was only mentioned because it was revealed censorship, and matches what Coco told the EN girls in terms of fighting management on it: >>6941189

>>6941343
Hololive is too big

>>6941343
>But Nijisanji also does swimsuit streams and 3D designs with lots of cleavage, which hololive no longer does.
Because it doesn’t violate YouTube TOS, which is likely what they mostly care about.

>>6941343
List me all of them that they have done for the past month that they are actively doing.

>>6941505
If you actually want to be family friendly then removing swearing is the only option retard. Just because your management told you to dial it down doesn't mean you are already in a prison cell. Even big indie creators in YT actively avoid swearing too much.

>It was only mentioned because it was revealed censorship, and matches what Coco told the EN girls in terms of fighting management on it:
Again. That didn't stop the rest of the girls to upload their memery on YT or everywhere else.

>>6938453
Got any streamlabs data bro?

>>6941693
>If you actually want to be family friendly…
I said a general move in that direction, hence why I said “reduce” rather than “stop”. Restriction doesn’t mean total restriction. It’s to point to some form of censorship, that’s all.

Your response to the video of Coco mentioning the censorship was inadequate.

>>6938267
Yea man, cover is finished. I mean really, try to put yourself in the shoes of a talent choosing who to apply for. Do i join HoloEN and get 500K subs right from the start of my career like IRyS, or do i join vshojo or nijiEN for breadcrumbs but have the ability to say how much i enjoy getting creampied by fat old men daily? Mmh, hard decision.

>>6941508
>>6941551
Nijisanji is bigger in Japan, gets a lot of promotions, gets a Google Play sponsorship and still doesn't give a fuck about the Youtube TOS boogeyman. Their swimsuit streams don't get taken down so using Youtube disapproval as an excuse is just a lie.

>>6941777
They're earning <$1k a week on streamlabs, that's like a day worth of money for HoloEN. Plus, why are you bringing up streamlabs comparison? HoloEN is already giving a handicap not opening their own streamlabs. You say as if they earn more with streamlab donations when they haven't open memberships yet.

>>6942122
>They're earning <$1k a week on streamlabs
Based on what?

>>6942155
Wait you're not dumb enough to think that top data on streamlabs page shows all donations, right? We're in numbers thread, you know?

>>6942069
>Nijisanji is bigger in Japan, gets a lot of promotions, gets a Google Play sponsorship and still doesn't give a fuck about the Youtube TOS boogeyman. Their swimsuit streams don't get taken down.
To be fair, Niji simply knows that swimsuits on YouTube don’t violate YouTube TOS. Cover doesn’t like them for other reasons.

>>6941859
>Restriction doesn’t mean total restriction. It’s to point to some form of censorship,
All of the restrictions that are applied are the obvious ones that prevents them from getting too much PR damage. You do understand that they are large creators now who are magnified by two by the fact that they have active antis right? Sister Claire can say Taiwan and not get hate but if Mori say it she will be burned to the ground. This is just part of the package. And even with that restriction applied, the girls still can do the shit that they want to do and be heavily rewarded by fans for their efforts. You still won't acknowledge that they collabed with Vshojo. If your whole argument is less swearing than this is just very minimal shit. You just have to watch the TTRPG to realize that Gura fully doesn't really know how to skirt around unlike Kiara and Ame.

If you don't know anything about what Coco said then you are just fag that don't actually watch her.

>>6941505
It makes sense for Cover to want to check any short videos they upload, I'm sure that Niji does it too.
There are reasons for wanting to review a video first that aren't censorship such as potential copyright materials.
The way people talk about restrictions and such makes it sound like Cover is crushing any creative effort by the girls but that isn't true.
The restrictions involve content that could potentially get them kicked off Youtube along with the obvious avoidance of political topics.

>>6942419
>it's only to avoid PR damage
And the majority of potential hololive recruits in the west won't care about this meaningless distinction, in fact the very act of being controlling to avoid PR damage is itself damaging PR when it comes to the western scene. It exposes Hololive as being disingenuous and fake compared to a freer agency like Nijisanji. And that's why they're going to be a less attractive choice moving forwards.

>>6942069
We already discussed promotions before. Hololive gets more minor and major promotions in Japan. Their EN branch gets promotions but not to an extent where they are given TV commercials and concerts

>>6942419
>All of the restrictions that are applied are the obvious ones
I still think you are trolling me. Coco specifically said the many things they get censored for are “nonsense”. Watch the video again.

>>6942508
It's like the people here don't even remember or don't know when exactly Cover completely clamped down on Coco.
Coco made a suicide forest reference with Kanata being hung on Asacoco which was pretty much the turning point.

>>6942508
https://prtimes.jp/main/html/rd/p/000000054.000029662.html
Nijisanji has engaged an external company to vet any videos and social media posts since September of last year. Cover should strongly consider the same, it might avoid shitshows such as Matsuri's recent fit on Twitter.

>>6942579
You must be on drugs or something. If you fucking read any comments in any platform that is public outside of 4chan you will see actual comments defending why certain restrictions makes sense. Even the whole Coco situation died down after Coco explained everything in her member and non-member streams. Only 13yrs old and under can't make a distinction

>>6942765
Comments by mindless fans =/= what indie vtubers and potential recruits are thinking.

>>6941505
>>Gura won't upload shit
>It was only mentioned because it was revealed censorship
You dodn't watch streams. Gura was commenting on it taking too long for anything to get approved, long enough that she would lose interest. That doesn't show censorship; it is a simple display of red-tape bureaucracy. They need to learn to ease up on that, but that isn't censorship in and of itself.

>>6942248
Estimates, the same way people estimate the number of memberships an EN has. I've checked their streamlabs time to time, weekly. Top earnings are usually a few $100, the rest $50 and below. It's already an overestimation for <$1k. Take this screenshot for example, you count the $100 then estimate the value of the rest. Now, compare them +playboard superchats to an EN's earning in a week.

>>6942922
>Gura needing Cover to approve of everything in order for it to be allowed isn’t censorship, even though Coco specifically revealed the censorship here: >>6941052
Uh huh.

>>6942922
Go here: >>6941189