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soprise im da giant rrat now

>>69150522
it's a concise and good rrat that is overlooked plus adds more to the conversation

>>69150476
>Its the Epstein's list of niji

>>69150476
Wait so when termination notice was happening, this was posted.

>>69150632
gee man i wonder why people suspect her of bullying

>>69150476
The unifying rat grows bigger. jannies can't supress it anymore.

>>69150476
This would explain why they threw the entire book at both Zaion and Selen when they were terminated. They weren't just manufacturing reasons to remove people who could undermine their authority. They were trying to preemptively control the narrative by framing their position as a moral high ground, just in case either talent tried to expose their misdeeds.

This still raises many questions:
What specific unethical practices might the document refer to that we haven't already inferred?
How much do we know about how Nijisanji EN contracts work? From whom could we reliably learn the details?
Can it yet be ruled out that the de facto management blackmailed their fellow talents, including Selen?

https://rentry.org/thegodrrat
edit code is thegodrrat. add private to the end of the url to see a version editable only be me that will be the backup
If you edit it, post in this thread please to let us know and consider saving a local copy for backup

if you wanna do some autism work track down the things in parenthesis from previous threads and edit them in with short descriptions.

Please don't be a fucking schizo, wait for consensus before putting unhinged shit into the rrat. If it requires more random assumptions than alternative rrats it doesn't fit.

So I'm assuming this is the new thread. Adding it to the doc so everyone knows where to look and we really should make this a habit since we're only 4 hours away from last night's nuker janny rampage

>>69150476
>doesn't want to put out the document because...
She doesn't want to put out the document because she can't. It's a legal document anon. Why is this so hard for some people to grasp

>>69150754
>From whom could we reliably learn the details?

No one in their sane mind. The only person who was unprofessional enough to leak the 2% was the krisis member who got cancelled. Even ex niji member like matara/mysta knows to shut their mouths and that is impressive.

>>69150632
It's suspect for sure, she definitely had a hand indirectly at the very least

>>69150632
Don't forget the haha audio tweet posted 4 hours before the termination dropped. But that doesn't really line up with the 2 hour window between having received the documents and terminating Selen.

>>69150632
>She did

>>69150781
You fool! You should've made a throwaway email or twitter account instead!

>>69150813
yeah it is, im gonna go to bed. I can't do this forever, may you rrratposter gods uncover more. I think we exposed the clique and gave some good theories to people trapped at NijiEN. There's something sinister happening there for sure

>>69150476
I think something also worth mentioning is that perhaps livers not part of the scheme don't know about it?

They have complained about bad management multiple times but it sound like there's go betweens so what if they didn't know that Elira was actually the top dog?

Elira controlling information from within explains why they all retweeted the PR disaster. In this context, Ren's quote tweet of it and saying it was done on his own makes a lot more sense.

If the Livers genuinely believed that the PR thing was good, it could ONLY be because of the clique controlling the information they were fed.

>>69150876
I sincerely doubt she did that on purpose but holy fuck the stars align.

>>69150892
????????

>>69150912
You did good bud. People are fundementally suckers for the truth

>>69150632
>>69150876
There's no way they're that retarded right?

>>69150989
>I sincerely doubt she did that on purpose

I mean aren't we specifically hunting for people retarded enough to make Nijisanji look and act this retarded?

>>69150754
>They were trying to preemptively control the narrative by framing their position as a moral high ground
This feels more likely to me.

>>69150476
>that last line about MULTIPLE PARTIES and TRANSLATIONS

I’ll be shitting myself if the source of the GURRAT came from inside the house

>>69151057
And those people are management. Anyone thinking it's the livers are retarded and have never watched a single NijiEN stream.

This is getting a bit too schizo for me

>>69150476
I saw a rrat on Reddit that might actually explain why they're so afraid of that doc getting out.
>tldr: there is or was a serial sex pest in NijiEN who was protected by management and livers, and they are TERRIFIED that this might come to light publicly.

She was in NijiEN for a very long time so chances are she saw a LOT of this over the years if it's true. Remember Vox, Ike, Luca, and Aster have all had accusations of creepy behaviour come up in the past few weeks, so it's fairly likely that sex pest behaviour was overlooked or worse, covered up. If this turns out to be true, NijiEN is extremely fucked, and anybody who's implicated will be so fucked that they might not even be able to get a real job after the fact, let along continue streaming.

>>69151038
Narcissists in positions of power can't comprehend being caught while feeling an impulsive yearning for attention at the same time so they often make stupid mistakes as this even because the public doesn't understand the real intent behind it

>>69150632
>>69150876

>>69150989
This was used to solidify the clique rumors as real. Still too many people didn't believe Enna was guilty until then.

>>69150939
The insider tweet in the rentry says they are aware and generally prefer the self-government system because actual management were so ineffective

>>69150874
It kind of does if her request for perms was arbitrarily being held up. I think it might be coincidence

>>69151157
needs evidence.

>>69150632

this board is turning into a kiwifarm community dedicated to nijisanji

>>69151157
Wait, this sounds too real, bros

>>69151157
Holy fuck at this point I'm inclined to relly beleeb because of how absolutely braindead NijiEN's reaction would be unless they were scared of something like this happening.

>>69151223
what? I don't remember reading that, can you link?

>>69151223
Dang, I saw another supposed insider post that said that some of NijiEN are lawyering up because they didn't know

>>69151157
Elira joked on a stream about being fucked by a manager.

>>69151305
I swear this image becomes smaller every time someone posts it and will soon evolve into a rrat of its own

>>69151157
A similar conclusion was drawn 2 weeks ago, regarding how far the cliques hold on management was, crossing Enna's party going behavior and lack of kayfabe and the influence she would have on others. It was similarly drawn that with the male favoritism occams razor was that the males would just directly have the power to get away with the misdeeds. Paired with Vox x Reimu's relationship who is a part of the clique it was easier to narrow down hypothetical groups to focus efforts of investigation on.

>>69150476
Something I wanted to add, I went back and checked the tweets, and the timeline is like this in terms of the firing

>Feb 5 1:38 PM JST - Elira lands in Japan
https://twitter.com/EliraPendora/status/1754363748926796123?t=mCP0RQ7jbacIrEpRSnC-9Q
>Feb 5 6:00 PM JST (aprox. 2HRs before termination notice): Selen's lawyer sends the document to Niji management
>Feb 5 7:56 PM JST: Termination notice

If Elira was made aware of the document right away, then she would've been off the plane for just 4 and a half hours. As someone who has made that plane ride before, I can say chances are she was already a bit agitated. If she had the ability to pull the trigger on Selen, and was indeed notified of the document immediately, then it makes sense she was the one who panicked. What also lends credence to this is the fact the statement was pre-planned (it would have taken more than 2 hours to put together everything they wanted to pin on her) and sounds incredibly personal and unprofessional. It feels as though Elira at least had a hand in writing it, and it went out just 2 hours after the document that named her specifically was sent to JP lawyers. The pieces just fit more and more... 4RKDA

>>69150476
This is assuming the document is nuclear is the only possibility.
The document could be random bullshit that Selen thinks is bullying and vague threats.

I believe the opposite, to me the document was so unhinged Elira thought there is no way people would side with this crazy bitch and she didn't expect the blowback at all, proof of this is the JP community scratching their heads thinking wtf is the west so mad about this video can they not consider the possibility of Selen lying?
And the answer is yes, the west doesn't even entertain that possibility, this is the only reason the Elira video got bad press and is reasonable to think Elira thought people would give them the benefit of the doubt.

Still like one anon said, even if Selen is batshit insane there is one major point against Niji that is completely fair to torch them up for: How they reacted to a suicide atempt, instant termination and negative framing her in the termination notice, even if she is crazy they could have been graceful and just say some generic thing like "breach of contract" and then react if she goes forward with her threats.

>>69150476
No. No I think Feb 4 might run differently.
It's schizo speculation from me here. But Doki specifically, chose a lawyer, that speaks Japanese to exactly go around the NijiEN and to engage with Niji lawyers to bring this issue to light.
NijiJP then with their retardation, decided to call in Elira for explaination rather than carrying out an internal investigation, and of course, she's shocked about the content that will open the pandora box of reality of EN.
The documents are only listing bullying attempts, Elira is convinced she'll scot free over some dumb shit. The documents are not yab enough to implicate her and her clique for a career ending aramgeddon.
And for somewhat reason, Elira is able to convince the NijiJP lawyers on the spot, claiming Doki have zero legs in her legal battle and its better to just cut her off immediately.
NijiJP then tells the lawyer to pack up and go home as they prepare the termination letter.

And possibly around Feb 6, some livers took a break. Why? Possibly, at that date given some time the Doki lawyers sent another "that's not all, we actually have more to come ;)" to NijiJP, and presumably a very small sneek peek that is so damningly dangerous, caused Elira went apeshit, sounded the alarm and rallied the troops for a final stand, the worst that could happen, might be happening. But who knows? Point is, it's the Alamo moment for NijiEN.

The earlier bullying allegations was just a trojan horse to get the attention of the public.
Don't get me wrong, Doki seems to be a masterclass at swaying public opinion here with the help of her lawyer and manager (he handled xqc before). There is a hidden nuke, one or two allegations so dangerous which is strapped tightly on Elira and co. and to defuse it, they have to get Doki show her next move which she never did. Which is why the NDF is pressuring Doki to reveal her next move and show the reciepts to the public yet conviniently left out the part where she wanted to settle peacefully. Why is that? It's an easy way out, its partially a W for NijiEN, so why are the NDF hyperfocused on her exact evidence?

Again, I am pretty sure Doki's lawyers are testing the waters on how complacent the NijiJP legal counsel are when it comes to sharing information and documents among them. This is why the trojan horse worked out well, confirming the existence of a mole within NijiJP management that kept informing Elira of Doki's angle of attack.

I assume if that one anon is right, NijiJP has already given up and told the NijiEN they're on their own and not willing to throw any PR life vests, or legal support. They'll be on the front seats for the fireworks, but they won't bother salvaging anyone caught in the blast once they pop. The trump card remains hidden. If you ask me, NijiEN livers are in higher emotional distress due to increasing distrust among their coworkers. They will outrat, they will eventually squeal.

>>69151275
To my knowledge there's already solid evidence that Vox is a sex pest based on his PL. Is that not yet documented here? I could try and find it in my history, but I doubt Vox is at the center of all of this, either way. It probably only explains why he would be interested in ensuring nothing Selen says gets out.

>>69151401
>>69151407
https://twitter.com/TheDarkEnjoyer/status/1755902910309835257/photo/1
same tweet the nft company thing was from

>>69150781
Should I add this thread to the ones already there? >>/vt/thread/69068838

>>69150476
What's in the censored text in the screenshot?

>>69151157
This makes it make more sense to me that the leak of some of the talent having no clue is an actual insider and the person saying they all knew was fake.

Also honestly, who would let fucking MILLIE be a manager over them??

>>69150476
While I'm in favor of the gurrat I feel I have to ask these questions.
If elira landed that same day wouldn't that make it unlikely that she personally had involvement in the decision to terminate selen effective immediately?
I feel a logical answer to this question is necessary to strengthen the gurrat.

>>69151408
Regarding Elira nothing substantial was pursued at the time, what was only known is that there was a person of great ego in the cliques pocket and that's what the majority of rrats focused on.

>>69151433
Lying about what exactly? Niji's retarded termination statement confirmed everything Doki has said, that's why almost no one thinks she's lying, retard.

>>69150632
or maybe she just cleaned her fucking house??

I mean, Doki didn't even mentioned her on the papers, Elira said her and Millie, and even then Doki backed out of those statements by saying that she wrote it when she wasn't right on the head.

There's literally nothing more than some posibly unrelated posts from Enna that links her to this drama.

>>69150874
Listen to this anon. It could've been related but Enna is also an actual retard, so she could have been making monkey noises for completely innocuous reasons

>>69151157
>The Grand Elira management clique with all the complicated bullet points actually just boils down to a few Livers have sex tapes they're terrified of being made public.
It would be the most disappointing escalation of events. I want the tinfoil rrats to be real for entertainment purposes.

>>69151433
My only problem with this rrat is that it ignore the fact a lawyer checked it. Sure, there are bad lawyers, but even the most ambulance chasing lawyer wouldn't be caught doing a document that is just "random bullshit".

tl; dr: if a lawyer trully veto'd the docu, it at least has some amount of "real" and it ain't just random bullshit. It could have some bullshit, of course, but there's no way its all bullshit.

>>69151430
Have we considered that the timing of sending the document and the termination might actually be a coincidence? Because 2 hours, after business hours, is just so unbelievably fast for something like this. What if the termination was already planned, and just by coincidence that document got sent over. Elira and Vox only got their hands on it afterwards, and once they saw it that's what made them seethe so much to suddenly put out the insane stream that was clearly poorly thought out and came out of nowhere

>>69151460
Yeah it seems to be one of the lost ones and it should go before the Rratening one based on date and time

>>69151433
This is just theory, but if the document doesn't have SOMETHING nuclear in it, it confirms Selen's lawyer is an idiot.

The way Selen describes the situation, they simply wanted a response from Niji's lawyers, so her lawyer suggested sending her document. This is not standard. Standard protocol would be a reminder with a deadline and then a motion to compel. The fact that this lawyer instead chose to send Selen's personally written document instead of something he prepared or a simple reminder means he's either a clueless idiot and she's fucked, or there was something very specific in that document that he wanted them to see and react to.

For reference of how conclusions were being drawn at a time of uncertainty.
>>/vt/thread/S65445529#p65478968

>>69151433
No one entertains it because it would mean everyone at NijiEN was too stupid to breathe. People are giving them at least that much credit.
If I receive a letter from a schizophrenic ex-classmate claiming I raped her, I don't post on Facebook going 'Hey everyone, if my ex-classmate comes to you saying I raped her, don't believe it. She's insane.'

>>69150476
>Doki just wants to move on and be done with the whole situation
By taking people to court? That's not moving on. Not gonna let her push that lie.

>>69150754
We know the following for certain
>Management retains complete control over all socials and channels on the backend, capable of locking livers out of their accounts at will.
>There are multilayered permissions on specific topics that have shifting rules, i.e. ex-livers and multi-branch events for specific livers being denied for some but allowed for others. The allowance and disallowance of permissions is arbitrary, they can be rescinded at random. You aren't allowed to publicly criticize the management, the management can hijack your platform to shill pro-nijisanji propaganda.
>Nijis do not get paid, they have no budget, what discretionary budget exists is not used at the behest of Livers. Sponsorships and voicepacks ect. have time limits, someone must decide who receives these and evidently it is a process that disproportionately favors Elira, revenue share is bad in general.

>>69150476
i dont think it was Elira Idea
but Vox
the guy is manipulative and hipocrite as FUCK
has the favor of the top so he would be able to get access even illegaly
During the stream his wording was waaaay diferent than the other and top emotional vague manipulation, have experience with them so i know
He also relly alot on the "we where friend" "i feel betray" stick
Elira and Ike are kind of a dormat and will evade issues when posible, so they being drag for being the more solid with the fanbase by vox fits

>>69151631
Edit code doko

>>69151433
Pretending that this isn't bait for a second, but if the doc was complete bullshit then Elira would have had nothing to worry about and would've just left it at that. Before she came out in that stream she wasn't seriously on anyone's radar, most of the attention was on Enna, Millie, and corpo management.

>>69151433
This makes the assumption that elira is actually retarded, which is the very reason why the gurrat was crafted in the first place. Surely she would realize, if the document was full schizo, that no one would have that context.

>>69151450
thank you based anon

>>69151728
thegodrrat

>>69151433
The Selen being a complete menhera liar 39daph tier rrats are dead on arrival for me, specifically because every single piece of damaging info has come out of Niji first, she hasn't revealed a single new thing at any point. They basically just keep hitting themselves and then she comes out with a statement like "yep that's true, don't harass anyone, I want to move on."

>>69151766
Done

>>69151430
Goodman, is that you?

>>69151718
This doesn't explain why Elira gets preference on merch, and Elira still has the linguistic knowledge to pull the strings.

Other way around: the slimeball attached himself to Elira because he's a manipulative fuck and wanted to benefit from her friendship. That Vox was more of a narcissistic douchebag with his tone during the statement simply reflects his personality and doesn't necessarily indicate he pulls all the strings.

>>69151678
Oh cool, I didn't realize any sort of legal actions have been filed. Got a link? I'd like to see what it says.

>>69150476
They also probably terminated her asap so she couldn't collect more evidence internally.

>>69151718
My only problem with this theory is that Vox is basically a figurative retard that only survives because his incredible stupidity makes him endearing to fat lonely loser girls.

Doesn't make sense he's the figurehead of anything, let alone doesn't make sense for him to have any ideas about anything, specially since he's a massive faggot and simp.

>>69150476
It would make sense if it wasn't because Doki didn't stand for the content of that document, she said openly that she wrote that only to give context and not to start accusations against livers.
She said that she wrote it when she was on her lowest, implying that it's full of shit or that she wouldn't have written it if she wasn't a suicidal menhera at that moment.

I'm completely in that Niji royally screwed over and that their management is the worst ever, but I don't agree much with the clique theory and I think Elira is more an opportunist than a mastermind.
specially because she's stupid.

>>69151433
>The document could be random bullshit that Selen thinks is bullying and vague threats.
The only problem I have with this is the fact that Doki documents were checkd and translated (?) by her lawyer, if it was just some random bullshit why would they even send it ? Make sense, no ?

>>69151776
The two are not mutually exclusive. Even if Selen did something batshit insane tomorrow that nuked her reputation, it doesn't change that Nijisanji has already showcased horrendous management decisions with strong reason to suspect a bullying atmosphere, based on things like the time of the stream and statements from people outside the company.

>>69151440
Seconded
Vox has the personality and persuasion skills

>>69151871
She was already suspended and had no access to any of her official accounts though so that shouldn't have been a concern.

>>69151492
I kind of lean towards >>69151630 personally. I think terminating Selen as mainly based on the uploading the MV and telling fans to pirate it thing, and the document was unrelated to the termination. The way the statement is written though was so personal and seething that I could see her helping draft/translate it though. Otherwise it's a bit odd.

>>69151436
>NDF hyperfocused on her exact evidence?
first of all not everyone that smells bullshit on Selen is NDF by default, I couldn`t care less about Niji and still think this is fishy as fuck, wanting to resolve peacefully after you already accused them of bullying to the point of suicide is insanity.
Imagine a similar scenario, someone girl accuse you of being a rapist pubicly you havent done nothing and people are asking for your head then when you say you didn't do it and want the evidence she says "lets solve this peacefuly I'm not releasing the receipts" at this point the court case is almost pointless the public will torch you even if you're innocent.
That's why people should be WAY more skeptical about the backing off about releasing the receipts, she already got the win, stopping now to me is not mercy is ensuring the other side can't fight back.

>>69151662

And then she posts it on twitter and you get fired from your job.

Happened dozens if not hundreds times before, will happen hundreds times more.

So what are we currently waiting for? are there any promised statements coming from any legal parties? because rrats are still rrats until ogey'd or they stop being rrats and become true.

>>69151846
The NDF trolls have been trying to push this for days now, I don't buy it.

>>69150632
This one should be easy to verify. Was it posted within two hours of the termination announcement?

>>69151678
There's a difference between ideally wanting to move on and the reality of needing to deal with shit thats being flinged towards your direction from the other end.

>>69151776
Right, some people try to push that crazy menhera angle, even if it was true that doesn't explain all the self inflicted damage Niji did. Besides to me at this point its clear that Doki has lawyered up and got herself a competent manager. Why would all these people work on her side if she was a complete BPD schizo menhera with no proofs but her fantasies? This just doesn't add up. Even if she IS a lying menhera, there must be at least SOMETHING that made Niji chimp out the way they did. Any non retarded person knows that you deal with attention seeking schizos by ignoring them, and not giving them what they want.

>>69151718
>He also relly alot on the "we where friend" "i feel betray" stick

Its the same pity party tactic that Selen uses with the suicide thing or "my dad broke down". Its just meaningless fluff for the retards on social media.

>>69151943
The fact is Dokibird is untouched by Niji despite the pounding they have taken. Their lack of response shows how dirty their house is.

>>69150781
Adding vent post in sister site

>>69151540
>confirmed everything Doki has said
what? so far it's all allegations there is 0 confirmation of anything. The termination notice says "she falsely claims to be bullied" is that what you think is confirmation of bullying? LMAO

>>69151893
The simple fact he carried himself like he thought he was Phoenix Wright, Ace Attorney during that statement is a testament to his stupidity and showcases why it's unlikely he can control his ego long enough to plan anything. How is he supposed to pull the strings if he has to take a break every half hour to masturbate to his own reflection? Can't get shit done that way.

>>69151922
Except she didn't accuse them of that. NijiEN were the ones to announce to the world that she was bring harassed. This situation is more like you firing a secretary and then in your public termination letter going "Oh yeah she also says I raped her" out of fucking no where and then getting pissy when she comes out and says "Yeah, they did".

>>69151929
And how does publicizing the accusation ward that off?
If you want to stop it, you - surprise, surprise - go to court.

>>69151977

Because managers exist to make fucking money. What makes more money than some crazy trending bitch using self-harm as a weapon on twitter?

>>69151922
She didn't want to resolve it "peacefully" in the way you understand it. She's suing niji but didn't want to air her dirty laundry publicly, it was meant to be between lawyers. But retardsanji is fanning the flames by repeatedly throwing her under the bus.

>>69151630
Yes, that's the other possibility, and what was assumed up until now. The only thing is, the statement she released must have taken at least a day or two to put together. Elira would have to go over the document, share that doc with Vox and Ike to go over, spend time coming up with a plan, settling on putting a response out on her channel, figuring out how to word the response, who should say what, getting the screenshots, etc. etc.. There's also the question of why *not* share it with Elira right away, considering she's the face of NijiEN, and the accusations levied against her are so serious? Again, we at this point don't know exactly how much power Elira has, but I just want to bring this point up again:

From Doki's latest statement:
>"All of the communication was done between lawyers in Japanese. Things are not black and white and everything gets more complicated and muddled when lawyers are involved in a different country. When things are conveyed to MULTIPLE PARTIES through different degrees of communication, everything turns into DIFFERENT NARRATIVES and DIFFERENT TRANSLATIONS."

>>69151630
Yeah, there's no way that Elira had the authority to terminate Selen without JP's approval, which would definitely not happen in that time frame.

Here's a rrat dump (I'm too lazy to save all of these and upload them individually. Plus, a janny could get mad) from the last couple of GODRRAT threads. Enjoy!

https://imgur.com/a/OYEi5KK

>>69151628
>wouldn't be caught doing a document that is just "random bullshit".
Man... they do all the time, there is a lawsuit against tesla because a guy slept on the wheels and their argument is "the smell of new car made me sleepy so it's tesla's fault"
You can spin anything into an accusation, without the receipts I ain't believing anything, don't know why the only possibility is the document is solid without seeing a single part of it.

lol everyone successfully deflected from the gurrat through selen is actually a menhera argument #100000101

>>69151837
Elira is a dormat.
She gets merch because "yes" is her answer to managment
i belive she is a boot licker, or just keep hersel iin line.
never seen her as the person to do anything except distans herself or plaquete.
Same with Ike, tho Ike has shown he will distans until a braking point and then exploding, yet that beaking point isnt ther yet, so he obeys

Also, vox is a sex pest has been rumorer way longer, specialy with Reimu implication and how they kinda fall apart

>>69151433
>I believe the opposite, to me the document was so unhinged Elira thought there is no way people would side with this crazy bitch
Come on, Nijisister, even you don't believe that. If Doki's legal document was a bunch of garbage then Elira wouldn't have freaked the absolute fuck out and spilled her spaghetti everywhere.

>>69151559
No, Elira DID mention Enna. She said "Millie Enna and I" in quick succession that you could miss Enna but she definitely said it

>>69151919
The doc definitely wasn't the reason for the firing in its entirety, but I believe it influenced the timing of it

>>69151433
dont forget she changed the suicide to two times! two times! Apparently she only said that because she wanted to move on. Maybe when people start thinking before reacting, she might change it to 3 times!

>>69151904
I also agree with this, it's not mutually exclusive. But that rrat also relies on no one at NijiEN having a single ounce of functioning grey matter inside their skulls to let themselves get so railroaded by a complete schizo with no actual evidence or any good points. Or to railroad themselves even.

Whereas, the canonical GURRAT makes more sense to me because it has realistic workplace politics motivations behind it and doesn't require anyone involved to have a sub-40 IQ.

>>69151922
This is transparent NDF shitflinging.

>>69152123
"successfully"

>>69151630
I mean they kicked out the "hereby" document 2 hours after Selen said anything. They don't seem to be taking very long to write these things. Which is weird.

coincidence?

>>69151275
True, but it's plausible nonetheless. I probably should've included the OP post they were replying to, but the tldr of it was that the reason Niji went so far to attack Selen in her termination is because they're (management and alleged talent-managers like Elira) genuinely terrified that she's going to expose them for something. And not even the bullying, the kind of shit that veers straight into extremely immoral and possibly illegal.
Essentially, it's not even that their PR team is that bad, it's that becoming Public Enemy #1 in an attempt to intimidate Selen out of leaking is better than being exposed of whatever it is they don't want to exposed for. Somebody in management or a longtime talent being a sexpest blackmailing talent would fit that bill.
>>69151440
This too, but that was before his Niji days, so unless he was continuing to be a sex pest while in Niji it wouldn't fit the theory.
>>69151619
I guess it'd be anticlimactic compared to all the extremely schizo theories, but management or someone else in the branch soliciting sex tapes from female livers and using them as black to make them fall in line is approaching Final Yab territory.

>>69152118
Add it to the doc

>>69151893
you dont need to be smart to maipulate people, just charisma, and he has that is spades
you can see several other trought history.
which will explain he pulling the other to the video, he isnt smart so try to save company face
also, vox: "there is no favoritism"
Why has he the only on to say it? like it was something personal

>>69152142
exactly this

>>69152118
I'll add it to the doc just in case we've missed some of these in the individual links

>>69152164
>doesn't require anyone involved to have a sub-40 IQ.

The people who on paper run the NijiEN

>>69151922
Asking people to show off everything in public is complete idiocy and why Nijisanji is on burning to the ground right now. Shit for lawyers should stay with the lawyers, just because Nijisanji are too fucking stupid to keep confidential information to themselves doesn't mean you should degrade yourself to their level.

>>69152142
If it was translated from english into japanese, sent to niji and translated back into english for EN?

>>69152001
thank you

>>69150476
Elira outright said her reason for going to Japan was Petra. The liver who lives there and speaks both English and Japanese. The context of which makes much more sense when you consider Elira's shadow management clique, which is also likely manipulating, bribing and blackmailing both Petra and Rosemi to keep them in line. We've essentially seen examples of that tactic constantly. The fact they all joined around the same time makes it seem like a case of an initially friendly, deteriorating and toxic relationship of control, of which only a few people fully understand the inner workings of because they fall foul of it.
I don't think there's much in the document that we don't get the gist of already, it would just be explicit details and confirmations that while damning and interesting isn't required of the rrat.

There's something unrelated I just thought about though that might potentially be really weird in context. How often was Pomu in Reimu's chat when she was streaming the MGS series? Did she ever go on call with her afterwards to discuss lore, etc.? Because when it came to Elira's MGS streams, she was in there practically non-stop, both as an active chat participant and for hours after the game to talk. Pomu's MGS brainrot is a pretty huge draw overall.

>>69151433
two suicide attempts and the hospital gave her phone back within 24hrs? Then release a few days later? She said she has proof and record of suicide attempts, so the hospital had to know. Her saying she attempted twice must be a lie to garner more sympathy or the hospital is incompetent.

Where's the real /rrat/ thread? The sisters are poisoning the waters with their low-IQ rrats. I want the juicy stuff, people.

>>69152071
>She's suing niji

She isn't, though. She lawyered up because she didn't want to get sued by muddled NDA bullshit, hence the "I won't be silenced anymore" tweet.

No, really. Check her tweets and videos. This is what everyone is missing out: at no point or time did she ever said she was suing.

The doc wasn't a lawsuit.

>>69151902
>Doki documents were checkd and translated (?) by her lawyer
That doesn't mean anything, of course the lawyer is agreeing with Selen.

>>69151559
The truth will set you free

>>69152262
...I mean, if by sheer chance it got translated from something harmless into something that's actually true and dangerous for them then Selen must be God's divine instrument of wrath targeted directly at the sinners' abode that is nijiEN or some shit.

>>69151776
Yap
we know selen loves money and like public atention, her return stream she kinda just expose herself on it
yet, she is also a winnie bitch when thing not go her way and she oses the expotlight
not the type to do big brain, but the type to do dumb shit

>>69152296
make a new one, anon

>>69151157
>tfw you will never blackmail vtubers for sex
why even live....

>>69152197
This whole thing has been Niji trying to predict Doki's next move and inadvertently shooting themselves in the foot by telling on themselves.

>>69152001
This is such a discussing victim blaming bitch post by the way. Whoever this is, they're a fucking cunt

>>69152326
Shes on a mission from god, thats why he couldnt let her go.

>>69152296
Check >>69152118 and >>69151430

Was Yugo's graduation because they were menhera, or another target of Elira&Co?

>>69151953
But she keeps saying she just wants to move on and forget it all despite getting lawyers involved. I don't care if Elira dangled her from a cliff I'm not gonna stand around while she lies.

>>69152354
Holy ESL

>>69152031
>didn't accuse them of that.
Nigga... her first tweet on the thing was
>I was in the hospital from an atempt on my life driven by work conditions and bullying"

>>69152296
Sorry janny but you won't get your bans here.

>>69151922
Did you miss the part where nijisanji was the FIRST person to mention bullying and harassment in their fucking termination notice?, This is ACTUALLY like if some guy comes up to you and screams "THAT GIRL OVER THERE IS ABOUT TO ACCUSE ME OF RAPE BUT SHE IS A TOTAL FUCKING LYING PISSY PANTS LIAR SO DON'T BELIEVE HER" Again every single incriminating "accusation" has come out of nijisanji's repeated PR blunders

>>69151619
Embezzlement and getting their operaton exposed by NijiJP management is the most plausible rrat imho.

>>69152287
Petra said on her personal account that "this used to be fun but these days it's just stresfull" how come she've been manipulated or blackmailed for years if it was fun?

also, neither Yugo, Zaion, Mysta or Nina said anything about issues with other livers, Zaion complained that she was thrown under the bus AFTER she was fired, but said that everyone tried to help her besides her own manager.

how is that compatible with the clique theory?

>>69152382
Yugo had a tranny meltdown on stream. Wishing she was a real man. I can't blame anyone for that.

ESL, so there are lot of mistakes. I made it earlier, thought posting was useless.

>>69152405
Personally i like the possibility of sextape from NijiEN being leaked because it makes my dick hard

How are we feeling about Reddit's sex tape blackmail yab?

Just picture the headlines if this turns out to be the case: "Japanese idol agency sexually exploits Canadian female streamers."

>>69152382
Yugo is a tranny you do the math

>>69151931
I think it should be over publically. But who knows. Maybe Niji will drop a statement today shooting themselves in the foot again.

>>69150476
keep digging up anon, you must get to the bottom of this

>>69152396
reread the termination notice you double nigger

>>69152007
It's hard to "prove" bullying because everyone will have a different interpretation, but:

1) Dokibird claims her document said nothing about anyone's SPECIFIC locations, while Elira plays up this very point in the video and even has a brief moment of crocodile tears. Her entire schtick is she felt unsafe cause of the location information and potential to be doxxed. If you believe Dokibird that nothing specific was listed, Elira seems two-faced here. It's unlikely Dokibird would so blatantly lie about a fact that can be doublechecked in a document that will appear in court, which heavily implies Elira is playing up the "threat" for sympathy. Yes, she seems like a bully here trying to sabotage her former co-worker with half-truths.

2) Vox's tone is just wildly inappropriate. The other two seem shaken and more in line with the tone you would expect from people who are expected to speak out against someone who tried to sudoku herself. Even if you disagree with Dokibird, you will understandably hesitate to speak poorly about someone in that mindset. Not Vox though. That dude doesn't sound the least bit concerned and instead seems infatuated with himself and his testimony. Even Elira seems to have shown genuine concern for Dokibird's well-being once news of the sudoku attempt got out, if we believe her tweets corresponding to the time of it and believe a post from the last thread about how she only wanted Selen gone from the company, but never wanted her harmed. By contrast, Vox's complete apathy to that situation is concerning. He absolutely gives the impression of a bully who doesn't care about her well-being, he's simply there to cover her ass.

3) The timing of the announcement perfectly aligns with Dokibird's first gaming stream. What idiot in their right mind would ever coordinate something like that or allow that time slot to be used if they know they're trying to beat accusations of BULLYING?

People are gonna debate "bullying" and everyone will have a different interpretation, but we're kidding ourselves if we think those three points haven't "proven" Dokibird's bullying accusations for a lot of people.

>>69152257
Who said everything? even a single thing would be enough but there is nothing at all, not even a single example of the bullying, that could be anything.

>>69152303
>of course the lawyer is agreeing with Selen.
Anon, lawyer ain't their client yesman. Stop being retarded

>>69152189
seems pretty successful lol no ones getting any work done

>>69152382
Yugo graduated because he didn't want to leave his band, all of noctys fought for him but he was fired anyway. No targeted bully and neither any kind of bad memory or bully against him.
All of noctys still have some kind of reminder that Yugo was one of them up to this date.

>>69147808

>>69152382
That was NijiJP who fired her. NijiEN talked about arguing with management and Shu yelling in Japanese.

>>69152382
Sadly looks like a problem that cleaned itself considering they still wanted to do IRL band stuff and live melty. No involvement need. Zaion though was another Nip speaker but by passed Elira's monopoly so she got shot down.

>>69152223
It's possible but I think we don't even need to pin down what it is that they're so scared of until we have solid evidence for it. Just the fact that they are is enough for the rrat to work. We'll probably never know what actually is in the document and why they're so afraid of it unless it leaks or goes to court

>>69152296
without love it cannot be seen

>>69152439
>reddit

>>69151157
Im debunking this.
>The poster is no insider, just google the username on Niji subreddit and you'll see.
>Not even the first "conspiracy" he cooked up
>Vox and Ike in the blackscreen vid as well, Vox seemed more worried than Selen that he was implicated, was he sucking the manager off?
>Wasn't a big deal when Zaion left so why now?
>Managers are allocated specific livers so it doesn't make sense that preferential treatment could just be offered to anyone by them.
>What preferential treatment could a mere manager even offer that would warrant that much less another male liver.
>Conducting branch suicide pact to defend sex pest manager. What about those not involved?

Literally has no basis to even begin with.

>>69152229
Yes, but Vox is so retarded and incompetent I just don't see him realizing the company needed saving until someone pointed it out to him. Sure, he has charisma, but he has shown time and time again that any independent thought on how to use it is devoid of any practicality, sense, and sometimes even just logic.

Plus, he is a massive simp. No, it just makes far more sense he was told by the clique to do it. I will admit it's a possibility he was given the chance of writing his own script, or adding to it by his own volition... which would explain his massively stupid Phoenix Wright attitude and, him somehow mentioning THE WRONG FUCKING SUICIDE ATTEMPT DATE, and like you pointed out, "there is no favoritism".

No, he's just not smart enough to come with anything of this magnitude on his own, but retarded enough to try and help -probably due to being told to do so- and fucking up catastrophically in typical Vox way.

>>69152396
That's a fucking confirmation of a statement Nijisanji put out you absolute donkey.

Frankly, I'm still on the tinfoil hat rrat that Elira and co middle manned the document sent and instead of just delivering it to legal, dug into it and saw a damned if you do, damned if you don't level of material.

Then, they decided to go full 15min retard to essentially break the chink bitch that they saw was still weak and fragile. Only for her to not break. Probably threatened the others with false info that they'd be implicated in the BS too to scare them into mass supporting it.

As for the delivery of the 15 minute yapping, snakes putting on their masks. Just missing the fucking ukulele playing in the background.

The people suggesting Doki doesn't have anything are really stupid. Nijisanji would not go through this much trouble if it was a literal nothing burger. It's probably not as extreme as people are speculating on, it probably really is just something as simple as favoritism, coworkers harassing her or influencing management to fuck over her projects and an attempt to seek damages to offset her loss of money/mental state. If it was literally nothing Doki's parents, social support system and the lawyer would not have even allowed this to happen and instead would have just kept to trying to make this about just ending her contract and any stipulations which would prevent her from streaming under her Doki persona. The Elira statement would not have been released if there were not real receipts at least showing that her and others in the company were completely interested. In the video itself they seemingly admitted there was some real drama, but they didn't perceive or think of it as harassment against Doki.

>>69152068
God you NDF tards are working overtime to derail the rrat threads huh, Must be REALLY afraid of this to constantly spam this retardation over and over, The fuckers are probably VERY well off, why would they risk permanent long term reputational damage siding with a "supposedly" deranged menhera"? How come LITERALLY EVERYONE outside of niji from sponsors to agencies to artists to non niji related streamers keep vouching for her character?, The only people accusing her of being a menhera are the NDF faggots swarming this board like flies

>>69152303
A lawyer not trying to fuck you over is actually going to disagree with any dumb thing you want to do or say.

>>69152532
But I love drama

>>69152396
>>69152396
her tweet was released in response to the termination announcement which mentioned bullying first. Her tweet says toxic work environment and harrasment from within. No talents being mentioned as bullies by her

>>69150995

>>69152439
>Reddit missing the mark
Damn... Never seen them do that before...

>>69151433
She did not bring it up at all, Niji EN consistantly poked the bear and leaked info. She was then forced to address certain things.

Honestly, being a bootlicker is embrassing even if Selen is wrong i'd rather sudoku than side with a corpo.

The rich no longer need to buy slaves because idiots will do their bidding for free.

>>69152157
Cope harder sister

>>69152471
ever heard of Amber Heards lawyers?

>>69152559
>Managers are allocated specific livers so it doesn't make sense that preferential treatment could just be offered to anyone by them.

Since fucking when? Didn't this whole mess began because half of the staff/managers quit to fund (and bankrupt) an NFT startup?

>>69152471
This. Lawyers don't get paid if they don't win in the long term (why would someone hire you if you gave a track record of losing? )

>>69152458
Goddamn it reading this just made me realize. Elira made a big deal about the document doxxing her to try and bury it. It was a manipulative play to lower the chances of it being released. Doki wouldn't be able to threaten to release it because Elira would be able to say that she's threatening to doxx her.

>>69152391
not gonna put effort in learning something 60% latin
if you want to be french so much LEARN french

>>69152675
AMBER HEARD LAWYERS

>>69152661
Amber Heard had already won once. Her lawyers actually had a pretty decent chance of winning again (and did actually win part of their claim). Lawyers are in it for money, absolutely, but a losing record doesn't look good to future clients. It's a balance of getting money and winning.

>>69151433
It made them instantly shit themselves to the point where they started panicking and throwing random slander at her hoping anything would stick.
If it was just gibberish then there is no way they would have reacted the way they did.
And this isn’t even taking into account the absolute night and day contrast between Doki and Niggersanji in regards to their professionalism.

>>69152691
Those won in the UK. They only failed to read the room completely in the US.

>>69152436
Then why Doki backed from that document information? she said "I wrote it when I was at my lowest" implying that she wouldn't have written it if she weren't going through a suicidal menhera.

She could've easily stand by that document saying that she wont talk anymore about it's content and will leave it to the lawyers, but no, she basically said that it was mostly a mistake but it was used to give context of how she was feeling to her lawyer.

Niji management misused this document to damage Selen's image in front of her ex-coworkers to prevent any inside help.

>"All of the communication was done between lawyers in Japanese. Things are not black and white and everything gets more complicated and muddled when lawyers are involved in a different country. When things are conveyed to MULTIPLE PARTIES through different degrees of communication, everything turns into DIFFERENT NARRATIVES and DIFFERENT TRANSLATIONS."

It was in front us the whole time…

>>69152400
https://twitter.com/dokibird/status/1754459958119432664
She spells out bullying instantly. I don't see it in the termination notice.

>>69152462
>Can't you leak even a little bit of confidential information? Just a little?
No. Stop being fucking retarded, this is literally what Nijisanji claims they did and it still make everyone spread their cheeks. Confidential is confidential, NOTHING gets spread onto the fucking internet because it's not a goddamn circus for your benefit.

>>69152389
>200k out of pocket
>terminated
>Actively being sabotaged

You are a fucking spastic. When someone says they want to move on it doesn't mean forget about it. It means they don't want to talk about it. It also means they want a resolution ie mediation and preferably not public shitflinging aired all over the internet. Mediation needs lawyers especially when management is this fucked.

Don't stand too close to that cliff retard you might fall off

>>69151157
Was the /b/omu leak ever considered within the GURRAT?

>>69152667
Yes, the indians again proving to be the impetus for shitty things to manifest in this case Elira and her clique running EN branch

>>69152687
Bingo, there's a lot of manipulation in play

>>69151038
She showed an image to randoms of a kid, an image that was enough to cause audible, noticeable disgust in said randoms, AND a friend.
That image could vary from a kid shitting themselves, vomit, or potential nudity.
Whatever its contents, it's arguably an image she should not still have in any legal sense given the legal status of kids not your own, etc.
Even if it is harmless work photos, it's a legal nightmare to navigate at the best of times.
People have lost lives to accusations for innocent photos of their OWN kids, never mind those of kids they were guardians / mentors of.
She ain't the brightest and I know you are reading this Enna - I sure hope for your sake you deleted them. My disdain for you is immense, but I still don't want your life to be ruined.

>>69152439

Nice try derailing thread.
see >>69152559
Search the username on niji Reddit. Literally just some schizo ledditer, not an insider

>>69152436
THis is a really good graphic and summary. Important to keep track of how that document changed hands.

>>69152687
She won't be able to release it because it's actively part of an ongoing legal dispute. All Elira was doing was utilizing a half truth to exaggerate parts and make them sound worse than they are, believing it wouldn't get debunked that way. Still did.

>>69152564
>WRONG SUICIDE ATTEMPT DATE
Does that line up with the second attempt she recently revealed?
That would counter the "only revealed second attempt" for pity points
Also puts into question if he was shown medical records.

>>69152723
She keeps it vague to “within” the termination notice specifies livers, corroborating the rrat

>>69152458
It's all he said she said how can you know for a fact one side is right? if there is doxx or not for example both claims are contradictory, how can you resolve that without the receipts? Just blindly trust Selen?

>>69150632
Prior established behavior, she's a clean freak autist, and an Asian female. It's close to the lunar new year. It's literally in her dna to be this obsessed with cleaning.

The laughing clip was in response to one of her clippers making a video where a cringy "singer" was singing with a slightly off tune "Ha-ha-ha" followed by one of her usual Blululu noises inserted into the video. She both liked and reposted it, then recorded her own impression of it.
https://twitter.com/Kuwusaki_/status/1752336574866735401?t=8y_T-ZqPL47zHXSN6oHoQA&s=19

>>69152382
Nux said an ex-liver lawyered up, presumably Yugo so target

Wasn't there also a time where Elira made the joke of her being queen bee and being in control of the group and having all the juicy details of who slept with who? or am I imagining things?

>>69152723
Termination notice says "she claimed [she] was being harassed by affiliated livers"

>>69151922
settle peacefully means both of Doki and Niji will sign an NDA to never speak of this, nor harass each other again you retard. Of course it also involves a sum of money and the issue is closed peacefully with nobody in the right or wrong.
90% of the time corpos will take this route.

Since only one NDF replied to me in a non-shitposty way, then I guess I'm on the ball for this one.

>>69152458
This
also, remember the Millie crapy 4 chan?
who was there?
who wasnt?
this teels who is the type to be shity and not smart enought to be discrete

>>69152442
Ironically the only reason Yugo didn't get Zaion'd was because they lawyered up. Selen was probably trying to do the same. It's not a coincidence that one of her first collabs as doki is with her. Clearly she is anti-clique

>>69152717
Doesn't matter what Doki feel about the contents in that document.
The point is, the contents of that document are most likely a nuke, because the trio only made that video after seeing it(or parts of it) and tried to pre-emptively defend themselves and pin her as the aggressor.

>>69151157
Would explain why Vox and Ike decided to get personally involved through the Elira video.

>>69152458
>>69152687
+1 for both of these

>>69152592
>it probably really is just something as simple as favoritism, coworkers harassing her or influencing management to fuck over her projects and an attempt to seek damages to offset her loss of money/mental stat
Holy fuck I got all this and some people were mean to me in my work and I don't even feel like I got bullied. Selen has the thinnest skin possible and it is so weird cause she is a huge chonker.

>>69152262
Can they really be this stupid to not recognize a double translated document after "thoroughly" reviewing it?

>>69152735
Why would it?

>>69152835
Too late, now it doesn't matter, the damage is done, justice wont be served unless Selen was right (this seems to be the only scenario possible in your mind), if turns out Selen was full of shit innocents would have already paid for the crimes they didn't do.

>>69152458
Listen again to what Elira said. She didn't say the document had her specific location. She said it alluded to the area she lives. She was being slimy

>>69152717
Your post makes zero sense and your logic is complete dogwater.

>>69152783
Read Doki's latest statement anon. There is no ongoing legal dispute. The legal dispute ended when the termination was posted. She made it really clear the reason she isn't posting receipts is because "the internet can be a cruel place" and "the whole world is involved and the public is watching every step that happens".

>>69152787
Anon, you didn't know?

God fucking damn, why does everyone, all the time, think that when we say Vox is quite figuratively retarded, we are joking?

Doki never intended -or was saving it for later, if you want to go full tinfoil hat- to reveal the second sudoku attempt. It was Vox who fucked up and mentioned the wrong suicide attempt date, which THEN made doki have to reveal it on her twitter.

>That would counter the "only revealed second attempt" for pity points

Only nijiniggers think that because they are idiot. A good way to spot them is when they think Vox is smart.

No, like legit, he's really, REALLY fucking not.

I still love that people were calling me a lying faggot when I reminded people about Elira being the head of the clique and having her part in this when we first got the Selen term notice.

>>69152869
Hi, sister. We're busy here talking rrats but you can continue your blogpost all you want in twitter or somewhere else.

>>69152869
What do you want, an award?

>>69152734
Then she has no ground to stand on and NijiEN is perfectly right to defend themselves, proving Selen is a snake and a liar.

>>69152783
For, like, the 4th time in this thread.

The lawsuit only lives in rratfags and nijiniggers heads.

There is no, and there has never been any fucking lawsuit. She lawyered up because she didn't want to get Zaion'd, and Elira and the clique shat the bed.

>>69151922
>wanting to resolve peacefully after you already accused them of bullying to the point of suicide is insanity

1) They mentioned it first, she just responded
2) She paid for her own commissions and not Niji. She's a pushover and will sacrifice herself for the greater good.
3) She is very much aware she is fighting a large corpo.
4) The initial lawyering up was to allow her to gradutate amicably, the doco I assume was to help them agree to that. It blew up to hell when the doco was given over to them.
5) You don't air your court documents in public, the courts dgaf about public opinion. The meme picture of the lawyer telling Niji EN to STFU is true for all court cases. Niji F'd up bad by not doing that.

Who knows if Niji EN even has a real lawyer? because it looks like they don't.

>>69152914
Exactly. That was the goal: she tells everyone it has information about her location. This is technically true so she can't be held legally accountable for a lie. What she's not revealing is that the location info amounts to something vague like "Japan," not "1414 Cunthole Drive."

>>69152931
>Doki never intended -or was saving it for later, if you want to go full tinfoil hat- to reveal the second sudoku attempt. It was Vox who fucked up and mentioned the wrong suicide attempt date, which THEN made doki have to reveal it on her twitter.
So you are saying there could be even more than two suicide attempts?

>>69152667
>You are a manager, you are assigned 4-5 livers to manage
>You don't go around the whole branch managing and offering favors to whoever you like
>Your revolves around helping them with whatever creative endeavors they seek.
How then can some sexpest manager offer "preferential treatment" to who ever sucks him off?

>>69152869
The difference is you probably didn't spend $200k out of pocket for work expenses which were not paid back to you after probable receipts saying they would be.

>>69151038
>>69150989
imagine needing a wiktionary page shown to them to understand the double meaning
the absolute state

>>69151430
I personally have a feeling the timing is just a coincidence, I think the handful of insane rrats that came true in the past month are making people jump the gun on speculation. I don't doubt Elira had a lot of unjust sway on the way NijiEN was ran, but I kind of doubt she was the one who fired Selen, I have a feeling that was just a kneejerk "oh fuck" reaction from management because the legal document spooked them.
That being said, I think it's possible that Elira testified to management about things when they were looking for reasons to terminate Selen and maybe exaggerated details to make her look worse.

>>69152931
But what if Vox revealed the second attempt so she had to confirm it to reinforce the piti bait angle? What if he is really smart instead?

>>69152929
No legal dispute? so we have to believe
Selen at face value? she can just claim whatever, never show anything and chop chop burn niji to the ground ain't I merciful?

>There is no Lawsuit in Ni-Ji-San-Ji
What is with this retarded assertion? New NDF shitpost tactic?

>>69152717
She elaborates that the document in question is a combination of evidence/accusations and also her thoughts/feelings regarding things. Nijisanji is absolutely going to leak bits and pieces from this that make her look bad, so she's pre-emptively admitting that she menhara'd in the "thoughts/feelings" section to get ahead of that. Admitting that these things came from a low point in her life and that she regrets some of it is not the same as walking back any of the claims/accusations.

>>69153030
>What if he is really smart instead?

>>69153033
NEITHER SIDE is claiming that there's an ongoing legal dispute ESL-chama, that is literally just the mob's head canon

>>69152723
>She spells out bullying instantly
>The word bullying doesn't show up a single time
You ESLs need to be better at this...

>>69153030
Then he's the most retarded smart person to even walk this planet

>>69151157
There being a Harvey Weinstein type in nijiEN would.. actually make complete 100% sense for a company as scummy as Anycolor. Of course, they wouldn't have -tried- to hire someone like that, it's just more likely someone like this would have slipped through the cracks in their poor oversight / quality control attempts and it would be easy for this to be either covered up or misrepresented across language barriers of what precisely was going on.

yeah lol im gonna come back when NDF is gone this is boring now

>>69153076
Anon, you're a fucking room temperature retard if you think for even a second that there isn't a lawsuit

>>69152929
I think so too. Nothing about Dokibird's statement seems to be prepping for any sort of legal action. That doesn't change that you're not going to readily release a document that COULD have legal relevance. Doki and her team can be sure they don't have an ongoing lawsuit, but they can't be sure Niji won't try to sue them. So you keep the documents to yourself, otherwise you invite further problems.

>>69153004
that doesn't adress my comment at all, none of those points justifies blindly accepting her claims as solid truth.

>>69153028
It's very possible it's a coincidence anon, but I'd be remiss if I didn't at least mention it

>>69153106
Anon, you're a fucking room temperature retard if you think for even a second that there is a lawsuit

>>69153033
If a lawsuit has been filed it is in the public record, no?

>>69151619
It can be both, Elira having that type of blackmail material on them would be an excellent way to ensure loyalty and excercise control.

Would very much explain Ike’s and Vox’s participation in that video even though they previously had managed to mostly stay out of this shitfest, haven’t they both had pretty bad sexpest allegations leveled against them in their PL?

>>69153106
idiot

>>69153133
Please invalidate the mere possibility for legal consequences then for the thread.

>>69152869
wrong website
>www.x.com

>>69152906
I'm guessing you're mad enough, probably a mod for one of the livers. Vox?
Hey, there are worst litigations where corpos settle outside the courts, sexual harassment, rape, even negligent that caused death. This case is a nothingburger. Both doki and niji will come out with a joint statement, and NijiEN will get axed soon enough.
I don't really mind if this goes to court either. Doki might not even 100% in the right, but I'm here just for the inferno.

>>69151157
Do you remember how brazen luca was with vivi when she first debut, that he just expecting her to comply like he have some sort of authority. This rrat worth looking into.

>>69153033
You don't have to believe Doki. It outs as you an absolute retard but hey, you're free to be retarded. And no, she can't just claim whatever she wants. Nijisanji is well within their rights to legally go after her if she actually does say or do something that is untrue or against the law. As of yet, no one has gone after anyone legally though.

So was Finana gaslighted by Elira?
https://files.catbox.moe/56ergl.mp4

>>69152787
>WRONG SUICIDE ATTEMPT DATE
which attempt? the first, second or third?

>>69152988
Selen is a snake and a liar because she wants to have a lawyer mediate her past grievances instead of flinging shit over the internet?

>>69153161
LOOK, THERE'S JUST NOT A LAWSUIT OKAY? NO ONE SAID THERE WAS ONE SO THAT MEANS THERE WILL NEVER AND HAS NEVER BEEN A CASE. DOKI IS A LIAR SHE'S LYING IF SHE WASN'T SHE'D POST EVERYTHING ONLINE

>>69153011
>you probably didn't spend $200k out of pocket for work expenses which were not paid back to you
True. But I also didn't incur 200k worth of expenses of something for my job without asking for permission to spend 200k. And if I would ask for permission and they said no I wouldn't go ahead cause I wouldn't want to pay 200k out of my own pocket. If I would go ahead and spend this money then yes I would have to pay it out of my own pocket. Jesus you Selensimps are so retarded thinking this is even an argument when it only shows how she has created her own problems.

>>69153092
CAN YOU READ RETARD? FINISH SCHOOL

In a year or two anons will be saying
>it was obvious, every wave had someone who was friends with elira, how were people this blind
Yet somehow we shy away from calling out the nepo hires. We know why enna and millie got into niji and we know why they are defending niji at every turn. They are nepo hires.

>>69153109
Another quote from Doki's statement:
>"I'm sorry but these are the things that should be private and IF NEEDED, between lawyers"
That sounds like she's saying "just drop it, but if you come at me with a suit, I have ammo"

>>69153033
niji burns itself to the ground
they dont manage a month without some drama that makes them look horrible
I mean fuck, there are 2 different dramas going on right now we dont have time to talk about
they are even working dramatubers to death

>>69153211
This was in direct response to the termination letter that mentioned bullying

>>69150989
You underestimate sociopaths. What else is she going to do but laugh in everyone's face? A sociopath in power lives to show off that power. They feed on despair.

>>69153211
You are confused on the timeline anon.

>>69152986
I would say money but I am good on that. I guess I would prefer the novelty of having a mob of complete brainlets that are mad at anything I point them at and just listen and believe me. That would be fun.

>>69153112
When other artists come out and confirm most of them, yes it does.

But hey, you do you anon. If you want that hard niji cock on your ass (because I recognize you as the fagot who has been making "niji did nothing wrong but I don't care about niji" threads for almost 3 days in a row) and be retarded, you do you. No, she can't just claim whatever she wants. Nijisanji is well within their rights to legally go after her if she actually does say or do something that is untrue or against the law. As of yet, no one has gone after anyone legally though.

>>69153210
What makes you think she didn't ask for permission?

Was there a containment leak? The amount of fking tourists shitting up the thread is unreal

>>69153212
It's because NDF are constantly running damage control in real time. You only have the power of retrospect because these faggots lose ground and can't maintain the deflection for long term when evidence mounts. Even here, they can't distract people from GURrat for long

>>69153198
I don't believe there's a lawsuit because no one's said there was one. Doki hasn't said, Niji corporate hasn't said it, none of the organs have said it. It's possible there's something happening behind the scenes we don't know about but I disbelieve the lawsuit rrat because no one has posted evidence for it.

>>69153198
What is doki lying about? Everything we know came first from nijisanji. The first public statement was the termination letter. At no point has doki said anything publically that Niji or its livers didn't say first.

It's the same thing Zaion did. Zaion who also never sued or got sued btw.

>>69151157

Yes, the sexpest manager was fucking the livers telepathically via slack.

Are you people genuinely retarded? You do understand they are not office workers, they don't check in daily at 9, they are not physically together in order to exchange sex favors on a whim.

>In Sayu's One Girl's Story document, she notes that one of the things she was in trouble for was going above management's head to talk to a higher manager directly, which initially makes zero sense.
This actually does make sense for a Japanese corpo. It reflects poorly on her manager that she went to higher management

>>69153271
Siscord probably. They're going hard at the moment, it's best to just ignore them.

>>69153210
Oh, I see what your problem is, nijinigger. You think Selene is retarded and did that without asking permission first!

... Hello, Vox. Get the fuck out of here.

>>69153271
Riku's statement made headlines, containment broke entirely by then

>>69152434
source?

>>69152906
It could be revealed tomorrow that Selen shot Elira's mother in the street. It wouldn't change that Nijisanji has already showcased how incompetent their management is just by trying to defend themselves, and it wouldn't change there's multiple instances that heavily imply Selen is correct to call out a bullying culture.

No one is claiming there isn't an outcome where Selen shares guilt as a horrible menhara, but people ARE claiming it's all but confirmed Nijisanji's management sucks dick and bullies exist within NijiEN. Best outcome for Nijisanji's image is if NijiJP has been kept in the dark and NijiEN is blatantly corrupt. That way they can at least quarantine off the EN spergs and apologize while trying to salvage the main branch.

>>69153211
Can you read that this was posted AFTER the termination notice? seethe harder all caps sister, I'm sure that will make you look smarter

>>69153269
who????? artists confirm bullying? never heard any confirmation, the paying for things is another story entirely.

>>69153211
Ah yes, she mentioned bullying in the tweet in response to the Niji statement that mentioned bullying. This clearly means she mentioned it first. Are you purposefully obtuse or just genuinely retarded?

>>69153278
>lawsuit rrat
It's not a rrat. Oh my god, how fucking braindead stupid do you have to be to think a lawsuit is a rrat. Lawyers are involved, that means there IS A LAWSUIT. This is how lawyers work, if you have one, you are either suing or you're getting sued. It's called having basic fucking pattern recognition and common sense you goddamn idiot

>>69153271
ye some retard posted about the GURRAT in doki chat last night

>>69153271
Too many to count, even the nips are coming around to defend kurosanji.

>>69153270
>I would ask for permission and they said no

>What makes you think she didn't ask for permission?

who said what?

>>69152419
I didn't say anything about a time frame, we don't know how long it could have been going on for exactly. But her saying that she used to find it fun and started hating it and wishing she could stand up for people better suggests that things got very bad over time and that she feels guilty over not being able to assert herself for others, which would go double if it was a (former?) friend she had to stand against. In her case I think it's a matter of manipulation by Elira and later Enna and Millie as the power dynamic would have shifted heavily in their favour over her the more people joined. Bribing naturally refers to who gets perms, sponsors, etc. which we've seen is lopsided. And as for blackmailing, just look at what happened to those who've went against the grain.
>neither Yugo, Zaion, Mysta or Nina said anything about issues with other livers
I don't know why you bring this up, but they wouldn't necessarily do that. No one wants to fuck over their workmates who are still ostensibly innocent and/or in the same position as them unless there's something important to gain. Zaion and Mysta have said directly they didn't want to hurt the people in there despite anything that happened.
I don't know that much about the Yugo situation and it might have just been an actual JP side issue, but I do think the one comment about thinking things would be better if she was really a man or whatever is an odd thing to say without the context of being up against girl tactics in a place where the male livers were prioritized.
Nina obviously had the initial big issue with her genmates but got her head down later on. Back to Zaion though, she said that her manager and her manager's "manager" were both an issue, and that there were two others who she formed a bond with earlier. It's one of those that she confided in and after was subsequently pulled up by her manager's "manager" for.

Anyway, it's all just trying to keep things lined up straight so the holes can fill themselves.

>>69153268
>just listen and believe me

Sorry, sister but you're just a rando in an anonymous iimage board. We /rrat/ing here. so again go back to Elon's cumdumpster or whatever discord you came from

>>69153317
>>69153270
Are you pretending to be retarded or are you just a bunch of foaming at the mouth ESLniggers?

>>69153349
This just in, having a will written by a lawyer means you're suing death. The retardation good lord.

>>69153271
The thread was so good again at the start, before devolving like the last one. Sad.

...Does anyone remember that time where Nina and Luxium were in the same house? Maybe there is credence to the sexpest theory

>>69153310
You know, we call them nijisisters and all, but we're really just dealing with mostly fucking lonely losers fuckboys and the occasional hamplanet from Vox's brigade right?

>>69153349
>Lawyers are involved, that means there IS A LAWSUIT
Please don't talk about things you know absolutely nothing about.

>>69152931
This proves that Niji DID in fact leak her medical documents lmao

the china sisters attacking doki makes me consider some sort of cantonese angle
doki is from hong kong, and was never raised under the full mainland social regime
might be something there? enna is fully a mainland bug for example. is there a way to comb through the doki twitter to see if she ever commentad on the hong kong freedom situation?

>>69153210
I don't think you've ever had a job where you can claim expenses to your company because you don't understand how they work.

>>69153380
You already listen and believe Selen so what is the problem listening and believing someone else?

>>69150476
This is just a personal rrat, but here I go.
What if the nuclear part from the document has an economic background?
From pic related we know some talent was doing manager stuff, including money related shiet.
Doki pocketed 200k from her own money for project that ended up in nothing, what if whoever talent was acting as maneger funneled most of that money into its own bank account?
Sure, getting your toxic behaviour in a workplace would thin your job chances a lot, but companies are willing to overlook that if you bring them up numbers. If you got fired for embezzling money you basically end up getting blacklisted forever from anywhere.

Alright rrat gentlemens, I will see you later when we start cooking again. NDF please kill yourself

>>69153112
Where does it say it says its solid truth? Anon's mother drank herself stupid when she was in her womb because she hated him so much. Dumbass FAS brainlet.

>>69153366
Anon, the artists for the projects you claim she 'didn't receive permission for' have come forward and talked about receiving NDAs and contracts. Surely you don't think Selen drew up and issued all the NDAs and contracts behind management's back, through management accounts?

>>69153349
>Lawyers are involved, that means there IS A LAWSUIT.
That's... not how it works?

>>69153349
you cant fart in a corp without lawyers
sure as hell cant negotiate your employment without one

>>69153210
>And if I would ask for permission and they said no
Prove this happened. It's common knowledge that Livers get project expenses paid by Anycolor. The artists who worked on Selen's MV stated they had been waiting for a long time to receive payment from the company and Selen finally paid them instead, WHICH SHE DIDN'T HAVE TO DO as it was Anycolor's responsibility to pay up according to the artist contract.

>>69151922
99.99999% of all cases against corporations are settled amicably, you absolutely retard. The plaintiff gets paid off and signs a non-disparage agreement.

>>69150476
Ok, here's the thing that I blanc on with some of those theories. If this is true, then we know Elira and Millie are in Japan, but why didn't Enna go to Japan?

>>69153331
and what now look for when I said this was before the notice, retard, all I said was she came out instantly with the bullying allegations not that she came before the notice, it's literaly impossible to say anything before it even happened, FOLLOW THE DAMN REPLIES people were saying she didn't accuse them of bullying and thats 100% false

>>69151436
I believe this, all the pieces fit

>>69153349
Yugo lawyered up and didn't sue niji.

This ain't law and order, retard. People lawyer up all the time without lawsuits.

>>69153450
Why is she still talking to lawyers if the only thing she needed was a legal document? She's paying them for weeks now for no reason but to review her tweets?

>>69153414
>Enna is mandarin
>Selen is cantonese
>There's deep seated hatred between mainlanders and hong kong
>Enna's garbage might be motivated by political alignment

I want to believe

rentry anon going to sleep now that the thread is fucked, ive updated the private one to the current version, if you want to edit anything else in the open version you'll have to do it yourselves

>>69153349
Wow. NDF are not sending their best, huh?

NDF really running with the 'there cannot possibly be a lawsuit' argument.

>fags derailing the thread from proper rratomancy into typical low-class catalog bait thread shitflinging
it's all so tiresome

>>69153139
Yes, they both do

>>69153516
She's just that scared of Nijisanji.

>>69153525
>Niji drama will lead to a east asian war.

>>69153516
You don't have to pay lawyers for weeks to perform basic tasks like reviewing documents, for smaller stuff they work on a per-hour basis.

>>69152405
I think the embezzlement rrat makes more sense, it ties neatly to how elira and co have enough money to buy a fucking apartment in Vancouve, as the city is expensive as fuck and you'd require a lot of money (500k minimum for a one bedroom apartment) for a house. If elira buying a house to live with two other ppl its just going to be even more expensive.

>>69153382
>No couter argument presented.
I gladly take your concession.

Now fuck off the internet. You had enough Ls for one day.

I know a thing or two about the production process of an MV, so I just want to fill in some gaps as I've noticed in previous threads that there's a general lack of understanding. No clue if this helps with the GURRAT or not. I am unaffiliated with any of the parties involved here.

Any animation begins with a storyboard where the Director lays out the individual scenes (cuts) that are going to happen. This includes which characters appear in these cuts. To give you a good example of how these translate into the final animation: https://twitter.com/ani_obsessive/status/1274303684252504065

If you work with any official properties (eg Nijisanji Livers) that will appear in this, obviously it gets discussed with the actual management which parts of said property appear in it (= which Livers).
This is hard agreed upon by all parties involved before the actual production of the animation starts and not something you can easily change later on. By which I mean to say: Management agreed to the Livers that appeared in the MV.

We also know that management stalled the actual production of the cover song, we do not know if the production of the MV was similarily stalled - but because the only entities involved in the creation of the MV were the director, artists and animators on one side (doing the actual work) and Selen+Nijisanji on the other side (as clients and as signing off on the contents/having them changed during pre-production), we can assume that they may have been slow in responses, but not so slow that this was cobbled together within a week from a rogue Selen doing it behind their backs.

We also know, from the Producer of the original song that Selen covered, that he received one (1) Email from Nijisanji management that landed in his Spam folder automatically. Management never followed this up with a second Email or other attempts at contacting, but one Email only.

This is the infamous "Selen contacted the Producer directly" episode, that probably made whichever Manager sent that one (1) Email feel like they are losing face.

>>69153436
GJ anon!
this one is going right on the fridge with the rest of them!

>>69153516
You consult a lawyer on your tweets because you dont want to open yourself up to get sued yourself.
You are such a fucking retard.

>>69153434
Why? You're just a rando who came in and try to make it about you and trying derail the anons' /rrat/ing. Again, fuck off where you came from. We don't care

>>69153413
I mean... yes, you're right. But how is this news? Is the first thing that caused the community mess notes on twitter to begin with.

>>69153349
now now anon, just because a lawyer is involved doesn't mean there is a lawsuit
what nijiEN's statement tells us is she threatened to sue (most likely to immediately end her contract with anycolor)
threatening to sue to get what you want is a lot cheaper than winning a lawsuit to get what you want btw, if you hadn't realized yet
In addition, nothing we have seen from Doki has indicated that there is currently a lawsuit or that she plans to sue, but there is the distinct possibility that she will sue in the future
And in the event she indeed decides to pursue a lawsuit in the future, her statements are drafted in a way to minimize issues with the courts (avoid public drama), gain sympathy and remain on the moral high ground
Its always good to have an out in the future, just like she had her Doki persona and merch in case Selen isn't going to work out

>>69153525
Enna happily went to that Taiwan event didn't she?

>>69153307
Also makes her a threat to clique management communication monopoly, hence termination

>>69153442
are we talking about the 200k of projects or just the $15k one? She did get an ok for the $15k one and manager said the song was fine, just the video might have to be edited.

>>69153434
nta but:

>stakes for believing anycolor: someone claiming bullying and harassing and suicide attempts does NOT matter vs company word, even though said company has famously had numerous suspicious firings + several members already left for vague sadboy/sadgirl reasons despite the massive fame and income and alluded to cliques/bad management later

>stakes for believing selen: one more piece of a pattern we already have been seeing, she is possibly in fact holding back the final yab for nijiEN but the company is openly trying to sabotage her name/image (which also exactly fits what they openly did with zaion)

it makes no sense to discount selen's situation vs known patterns we have been observing for a year+ now. if things were all solid and happy in nijiEN we would haven't had so many graduations and so much turmoil and selens' situation seems to have hit a boiling point as part of a trend, not an outlier at all. in comparison, mel's firing from holoEN was not part of a noted pattern and mel instantly admitted fault in it (when she really didn't have to do that if she thought she was cheated or being slandered), it was news for only a week and notably Cover and other talents have only had good words for her afterwards, a complete 180 from how Selen's getting dragged through the mud. in context of all this, the open revolt against anycolor literally is the most sensible logical outcome and it's irrational to try to devil's advocate that somehow it's all upside down at this point. it probably isn't.

>>69152396
That was after the termination notice was released you faggot, I knew bugmen were dumb, but not figuring out which date comes first is a basic skill taught in elementary school

>>69153363
The GURRAT also has over 10k like on twitter

>>69153516
My God, are you 16? You can pay them to check FUCKING DOCUMENTS on a per-hour basis, you utter fucking mongoloid. How do you think wills are done? Do you think people that write wills just pays the lawyer for eternity?

My God, get off the fucking computer, you utter waste of fucking oxygen!

>>69153403
there is also the time Finana brought a surprised guest for pomu on that off colab...

>>69153609
Ah, so she's going to continue having a lawyer review everything until what happens?

>>69153579
Finally some good post! Thank you anon

>>69153579
Because the production of the actual cover recording takes less time than the production of the actual MV, it is safe to assume that the management that had previously signed off on the storyboards had completely forgotten about this project, as they have done their best to stall it (through malice, neglect or any other possible reason you can come up with).

It would also explain the "paying out of my pockets" part that upset Selen, as only a finished product/project would mean finished payment from the company.

So, in conclusion, the Nijisanji management conversation screenshot that was shown during Eliras stream was not a "Oh btw I made this in secret over the last year, can you check the entire thing so I can upload it" check but rather a "Oh btw, this is finally finished, can you give it a quick look over to see if it meets Niji corporate standards and doesn't violate any policies" moment.

And only then did the management that stalled this project over the course of a year realize that this still exists and is now finished. And contains Nijisanji Livers that have since graduated, possibly on bad terms with the management.

This is why management felt the need to private the video.

>>69153559
>Enna's dad is a chink
>Right now there's a wave of chink spies being exposed around the western world producing fentanyl and weed or political dissonance
>Enna might be part of this
>Her chink mind cannot help but hate non-mandarin speakers

>>69153414
>>69153525
Doki stated she wants to stream on BiliBili, if there's conflict over Hong Kong, I'd expect her to be the one on the CCP side.

>>69153196
They live on twitter anon, pls andastand.

Starting to believe the embezzlement rrat. It would explain a lot

>>69153525
Now assume it is true and tell me Selen was just a poor little mouse that didn't do horrible stuff in return.

>>69153648
Anon, if Selen is not taking it to court right now, there isn't any reason she should in the future because either she has a case or she doesn't. She claims to have receipts, but she won't show any of them. She has no legal basis to hide them so she's probably lying. You shouldn't believe her on any basis unless you can see proof, and a lack of legal action is proof of absence. She's a fucking liar

>>69153723
>Do you think people that write wills just pays the lawyer for eternity?
Thanks for strengthening my point. If there wasn't an imminent or pending lawsuit there would be no need to continually consult a lawyer.
I think you might be forgetting when Doki said she would unfortunately have to proceed due to Vox and co's blackbox video.

>>69153516
Because Nijisanji isn't leaving her the fuck alone? She's attempting to work in the same field as a company she left on bad terms with, that has talents actively attacking her character publicly and an obvious willingness to share information that was supposed to be kept private. You'd have to be 10 stages below ndf retardation to not keep a lawyer on standby in this situation.

>>69153570
You can't even read and comprehend what you are reading you monkey.

>>69153416
>>69153436
yeah that's the rrat I'm believing in rn, there are too many weird things in here that implicate that there's a bunch of money that's going somewhere but the correct ppl.

Selen not getting the money is one, but Mysta not getting his dues is another. He always seemed to be getting a lot less than what his popularity should be getting too. Not to mention elira and co buying an apartment. The entire thing reeks...

>>69153568
A comment from the last thread claiming to be an insider said "no embezzlement involved, * possibly * misappropriation of funds" and that there's an ongoing investigation. If we trust that, then no, no embezzlement.

It's unlikely that any money being misused was a regular occurrence and instead - if at all - was only occasionally misappropriated when an opportunity presented itself that was much less likely to garner suspicion.

That Elira and co had money and others didn't is probably more of a matter of being able to secure promotions for herself and her friends by relaying the info ASAP to them and late to everyone else. This allows her to secure promotional deals since if she's translating for NijiJP, she's always the first to know about new opportunities. She'll be first in line every single time and even be able to reserve spots for her inner circle.

>>69153783
>She has no legal basis to hide them
KEK

>>69153783
Releasing shit to the public because they convinced you to is not a good look in court anon. You do things preemptively in case a lawsuit does come up and so you have a cleaner slate. So far Niji took a big shit on their slate.

>>69153688
also typo lol
>mel's firing from holoEN
holoJP.

>>69151408
Source/timestamp?

>>69153741
Until her tweets are not direct responses to a billion dollar company and her career doesnt hinge on every word shes saying?

>>69153783
>She has no legal basis to hide them
Post tits now. You have no legal basis to hide them.

>>69153783
Why would she show them in public? She has absolutely nothing to gain from it.

>>69153808
>If there wasn't an imminent or pending lawsuit there would be no need to continually consult a lawyer.
Lawyers can be contacted at any time, anon.

And for such things the lawyer in question most likely are already prepared to escalate it into a lawsuit if need be, and they will make sure to keep their cards close for when it does become a lawsuit.

>>69153764
Either there's stuff that's jail worthy in NijiElira "management" or they're really just that stupid

>>69153749
>>69153579
Good and high quality post, and yes this all checks out

>>69153859
I'm more inclined to believe Anycolor has a better understanding of the legal system than Selen does, so it makes me poorly inclined to Selen than she isn't following their example and responding in kind with proof

>>69153783
>Anon, if Selen is not taking it to court right now, there isn't any reason she should in the future because either she has a case or she doesn't.

Nigger, for like the hundreth time, this ain't Law & Order. That's not what lawyers are for and this is not a fucking lawsuit.

>>69153808
Repeat after me:
Lawyering up doesn't mean anyone is getting sued.

Now leave the thread and let us shitpost rrats in peace, fucking fag nijisisters. Stop derailing the thread.

>>69153810
I mean she doesn't have to respond to them though. The fact she feels she needs to says to me she's working on something. She keeps saying she wants to move on but unfortunately they aren't letting her do that peacefully so she's being forced to take legal action.

>>69152458
The video was pretty blatantly an attempt to do two things. First is reclaim some emotional ground rather than actually try to address things genuinely. The only example of them trying to actually defend their position was the screenshots of the MV situation, but they were presented very definitively as if to make them like a bigger smoking gun than they are. Everything else was based on emotion, sudoku is the highest level when it comes to gut negative reaction from the public, but doxxing is not that far behind it, same with general betrayal of trust and privacy.

The other thing is in the timing. They probably already know things look bad when it comes to bullying claims, and I wouldn't put it past them being petty and enjoying that disruption. But it was also intimidation, an attempt to push Doki into making the wrong move live because they know she was just starting to find her feet again and know how that'd affect her.

Not to mention, you talk about how Elira, Vox and Ike sounded in their stream, but think about how Doki sounded once she started realizing what was going on. Even putting aside the benefit of a script for Elira, the difference is, ironically, night and day.

>>69153911
Anycolor does.

NijiEN clearly doesn't.

>>69153688
>wall of shitpost
TLDR Hololive wins by doing nothing

>>69153911
>I'm more inclined to believe Anycolor has a better understanding of the legal system

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHHA. They lost all their cases everytime they were in court. HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Any coincidence that as the thread gets filled with deflecting sisters, tourists, and shitposters, suddenly embezzlement starts to be brought up again. Obvious who is behind pushing that rrat to make us look schizo

>>69151038
People like her just can’t stop themselves from gloating.

>>69153579
Thank you! This also fits in with the clique making up bullshit permissions or revoking their own permission for the MV to go up just to fuck with Selen and possibly get her terminated

>>69153764
While we can't discredit it, it should be supported by at least some form of circumstantial evidence. Embezzlement is usually uncovered by auditing, and the records nigh unreachable by anons

>>69153579
I'll do you one better, Moona leaked her storyboard for High Tide way back
https://files.catbox.moe/6axmeq.pdf
Notice at the top of every page there is a guide that keeps reiterating the characters involved and their roles
All the important parts are planned out, there is no way you just slip extra characters - especially livers - in there, because you have to figure out the camera angles, their poses, etc beforehand, particularly if you consider it an important scene

>>69153911
Selen also has a lawyer, I'm sure they know better than both you and I.

>>69153948
Not to mention Vox being retarded (what a surprise, said no one) and revealing the wrong suicide date, making doki reveal the second suicide attempt and giving her more sympathy points.

Like, who thought putting Vox in that video was a good idea? The guy struggles to draw breath, for fuck's sake.

>>69154057
did this happen?? qrd? what date did he say?

>>69153969
Anycolor has won many lawsuits and is very proud of it, they have a twitter just for this. They win 9/10 of their suits

>>69154105
Proofs?

>>69153911
I'm sure Anycolor knows that better than Selen. She clearly knows that too, which is why she got a lawyer like a normal person instead of shitflinging online like NijiEN did rumao

>>69153935
Ignoring them is absolutely stupid though. She wants to be a vtuber that does big projects and hosts things like tournaments. That's going to be very hard to do when you have a big company like Nijisanji and it's talents constantly poisoning the well both publicly and behind the scenes.

>>69153969
Kek, i almost forgot how they lost against dramatubers.
I was hoping that they'd win in that case but they just made fool of themselves.

>>69154030
Add onto this that it simply isn't the first time ex-livers have been featured in someone's work, and it was never a problem before. In addition, Millie seems to sperg out about Selen posting the video without confirmation almost immediately, and others have pointed out how the censored name in the screencaps may be hers because the manner of typing matches and her screenname fits the space, again playing into the giant rrat that they've been purposefully sabotaging her.

>>69154030
woah this is really cool. vice nice mooner.

>>69153911
>she isn't following their example
what, following their example by shitting on everything and making a big mess? KEKW

Either you're dumb as fuck or just hoping selen will mess up and equally get rekt like nijien now

>>69153863
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cjqd1GZIhjU&t=90s

Has anyone checked early like wikipedia sections of everyone involved?
It wouldn't surprise me if certain group of people was involved

>>69154057
This doesn't add up though. Doki said no one knew about the second attempt except her parents.

>>69154192
The guy is believing the legal team that allowed a 15 minute disaster unfold publicly and required an immediate notice about how they didn't actually fuck up as bad as people think they did. He absolutely is dumb as fuck.

>>69153764
Embezzlement is really completely unnecessary for the same effective results. It still works out as long as Elira and friends are greatly privileged on sponsorship deals, either because of favoritism or because of 'misappropriation of trade secrets', which is self-evidently the case based on statistical analysis of who gets what, Elira being very fucking advantaged.

>>69154229
Medical records that were included with the rest of the documents probably mentioned it

>>69153832
Yeah, this is where I was getting at originally with my comment. It's entirely believable that the real drama is entirely just about money at its base with the harassment or treatment of talents being supporting evidence. People not having their expenses reimbursed and Niji management hate killing Selen's video preventing her from recouping costs for the project with the money she would have gotten from views (aside from her continuously not paying her back for work expenses). The fact that in her return stream that (no profit and $200k down the drain) was part of what she was crying complaining about makes this seem reasonable. Considering we also know shit like the men in Nijisanji get treated to meals with the CEO, it's probably just the amount they're compensated or receive things like sponsors is unequal and completely detached from popularity or effort put into work (Selen being one of their largest female vtubers and Pomu getting cucked on her own projects).

>>69154229
Medical history anon. It was supposed to be confidential/private. It was made non-private. Which is what caused Doki's reaction to begin with.

>>69153688
>it's irrational to try to devil's advocate that somehow it's all upside down at this point.
Women are irrational when their idol crushes are in danger

I will never forgive these faggots for ruining this thread. Fuck you all.

>>69154289
Her quote:
>What I didn't reveal to anyone and only my parents and therapist knew was that it was not one attempt but two, which happened a few weeks after the first.

When did Vox claim the suicide attempt was?

Can we talk about Pomu's 'once in a lifetime opportunity'? What the fuck is up with that, in light of all this?

>>69153752
>Doki stated she wants to stream on BiliBili
The CCP has been publicly doxing (with real names and faces) all VTubers of a certain subscriber count.

Hanser and Nijisanji's own VirtuaReal got caught up in this mess. Yogiri, too.

>>69154388
the MGS collab?

>>69154388
either working with an idol group she really wanted to work with or a huge MGS collab were the ones I was reading about through anons

I just want to point out that most of the rrats vastly overrate Elira's JP level. She struggles with basic kanji and can't barely hold a regular conversation, her keigo can't be anywhere near the level of the lowest intern. There is absolutely no way she can read JP legalese. Either Petra's acting as her translator/assistant or she's trying to understand all this shit with the help of staff and MTL, assuming they're too stupid and cheap to hire a real translator.

>>69153271
Several. Newfags that just want drama jumped in. No real works been done since the first night of the GUR. Nevermind the fact they can't tell NDF shit apart from newfaggotry

>>69154388
Someone in Nijisanji management flat out rejected an offer made to her, specifically. Either this is generic faceless manager shitters who don't do their job except to shit on the talent(which, mind, isn't good no matter how you slice it) or it's fucking Elira and friends doing it, which is WAY WORSE

>>69154464
>petra is the shadow shadow manager
what about shu? he is actually n1 right? might revive the old shu elira theories

>>69153537
We flew too close to the sun, the SEAsisters had to shut it down.

>>69154305 (me)
Also to add onto this in the broader rrat of the thread, if it's true Elira or some other talent(s) is/are also management or pseudo management and they were both in a position of power, had a clique and were competing with other talents unfairly favoring themselves (using a pool of expense money disproportionately on specific talents and denying expenses to others or things like partnerships to people like Selen) then that would actually be a real yab of company corruption.

>>69153750
Maybe I should stop watching anime avatars and get a pet duck to hug...

>>69154388
>>69154456
>>69154461
>>69154502
Most likely this >>69033393

So if the document allegedly contains something so damning that, if people knew, they would wish unalive to Elira and co., it has to be something personal or something that would completely permanently tarnish their reputation. Embezzlement isn't out of the question, but it's too far fetched to pursue this line of inquiry. If Elira and co. fucked with the livers who aren't with their clique, probably making their careers a living hell, a literal sweatshop while they relish in the wealth, someone had to be pushed over the edge, not just once or twice, but maybe multiple times, and not just one liver? What if it's not just Selen who attempted suicide?

>>69154549
God fucking damn. So this is a Palworld/Pokemon Nintendo arrangement

>>69153901
They have definetly been doing illegal shit behind the scenes which they don’t want exposed.

So let me get the reaction to the zaion fiasco in perspective.
Basically when all the nijitubers were posting videos about how zaion "betrayed" them it was all just an orchestrated hit-piece from management?

>>69154549
indeed that is the one I read and honestly makes the most concrete rrat

>>69150476
i dont know if someone raised this before, but the one thing that prevents me from being fully invested in the gurrat is that no livers so far, current and former, had let slip that management and talents are overlapping. not even a hint of it. it's a simple and large enough secret that some of the livers would've spilled some hints from running their mouths too much, especially someone like mysta who is a dumb menhera, not in the company anymore, and had poked at management inefficiency after he reincarnated. if someone could correct my logic i would appreciate it.

how can the clique members, real or suspected, ever go live again?
will all of this just die down? every dramatuber, flesh or 2d, is covering this
unless they release some sort of actual nuke proving doki is a menhera liar, they are beyond done, on their PLs as well

what is their next step, realistically?