/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>69085253
They're not really any better or worse off now than when they first started in Holostars.
The most important thing is that they found each other, and their friendship endures to this day.

No amount of subs or ccv can put a price on that.

>>69085253
The fag was kneecapped hard by that model. Can't even blame him.
Vesper I have no clue what his fucking problem was. Why couldn't he just shut up and keep making money?

I think it would've been amazing if they stayed in Holostars. Vesper's interviews with the other stars were genuinely amazing insights into the personalities behind the chuubas and the superpower question really tied it all together because that's a reveal of one's true nature.
Magni is still unhinged as ever, and quite frankly better as his previous persona as Magni BUT it would've been nice if he merely scaled back on Magni and do what he's doing now anyway.
But the thing I'll miss the most? The SALT collabs. Those were absolute kino and most non-retards loved it as well.

>>69086471
Because being an idol caused him physical and mental agony.
You could tell the man was on the verge of a panic attack every time the idea of singing and dancing on a stage would come up.

>>69085253
If by win you mean that their antis got exactly what they wanted they yeah, they won

>>69085253
no. they lost easy money in an easy job and made fools of themselves in the process. not to mention selfishly screwing over their gen mates.

>>69086471
vesper is an ultra sperg who hates being around people and didnt want vtubing to become a job and also got fucked over by perms stuff early on

>>69086742
>>69086928
Then why ask for a brand new model

>>69085253
no.
WOWednesday's will live on forever in my heart.

>>69086742
It probaby is this and Magni followed because he wanted to make gags about Futanari and Rouge the Bats tits or both at the same time and couldnt in Hololive. They had a run hope they made some good money and are more comfortable in the Indys while Hololive itself has moved on with EN3. Everyone wins in the long run

>>69086982
It was probably something they had cooking for months beforehand. New outfits and models don't just get churned out in a matter of days.

professor lando is swimming in money right now thanks to his tiktok popularity with the adhd alpha generation

the orc isnt fairing well tho he has been reduced back to his 2 view status because he ran out jokes and really boring to watch

>>69087227
he's more popular on youtube than twitch

>>69087227
Hes pulling in like 5 times what he used to originally and most likely the peace of mind seems to be worth it. I doubt hes starving either

>>69085253
i'd say they're both happier than they were in holostars yeah. it helps that they're still very close to the rest of tempus

>>69085253
Yes.

>>69087079
He could've just told management so they didn't waste Pako's time, instead, he decided to go on and humiliate Pako as the only artist that has had 2 vtuber models graduate within the same agency

>>69085253
if winning is in losing relevance then yes, thank God. I was so sick of this fags getting pushed by beggars everywhere.

>>69087912
They still get mentioned by the cool ones from what I understand

>>69087227
>swimming in money
>tik tok

this have to be satire

>>69088047
I mean, I'd imagine they already paid him for the commission by that point, so they might as well use it.
We don't know what actually happens behind the scenes, and we likely never will.

>>69087227
>2 view status
You what?
He was over 800 today doing a tier list of candies that all taste the same. Not a single stream has been 2view and he still cracks 1k with the right game.

>>69085990
>maybe the real termination were the friends we made along the way
absolute cinema

>>69085253
No.

>>69088602
so he's pretty irrelevant in other words

>>69086982
He didn't, his character artist went MIA for several months. Since Cover couldn't contact his original artist, they assigned him a new one so he could get new outfits and 3D in the future (not knowing he was just going to bail on them at the end of his contract).

>>69088292
>professor lando
Retards unironically think people make bank off of tiktok.

>>69088968
The question is not whether they're massive celebrities, the question is whether they're better off. Getting similar numbers without a corpo taking their cut is objectively better off.

>>69086471
Probably some deeper shit. Sana graduated too, don't forget. Vesper probably makes the same amount as he did before considering the cuts. They avoided the inevitable hyper yab that has yet to come.

Magni and Vesper probably had the same gripes with management as Selen dealing with perms, yet they were able to have an amicable termination without any drama following their current careers. Why is that?

>>69086982
Apparently the original illustrator behind his model is fucking dead or something. hasn't been seen online anywhere since vesper debuted and the last stuff they posted were about being really sick, so go figure.
What probably happened is that he was gonna get small adjustments like magni but because the illustrator was MIA they had to find someone else instead.

>>69089727
They graduated. It wasn't a termination.

these fags ruined hololive for me
i hope they die

By now is kind of obvious, you shouldn’t join Hololive unless you want to be an “Idol” with all the responsibilities that brings, if you don’t want to perform on a stage, why even join? The EN talents that quit so far, give me the impression that they weren’t all that big in making that their full job

>>69090320
>if you don’t want to perform on a stage, why even join?
To get free advertisement and find a larger fanbase so you can 'graduate' and enjoy all the money instead of giving some to the corpo

>>69090320
to be fair it wasn't obvious to know what sort of workload holostars' first english gen was going to get. From what we now know, it seems to be similar to hololive's but with a fraction of the fame and fortune.

Everyone won, except sisters

>>69089727
I think it was more the anal bullshit with IPs than anything. All JP corpos do that because they don't have fair use over there. If you're pulling the kind of numbers the girls do it's worth putting up with it, but with Stars numbers going back to indie looks pretty good.

Of course they also shot down some project ideas and you have to take "Yeah they're probably right" with a grain of salt, but the orc still does the "Haha no I really shouldn't do/say" that routine on a regular basis. Probably just as worried about YouTube ToS/demonetization.

>>69090320
Well Magni enjoyed singing and dancing. Not sure how well he can dance now after getting his back blown out in December 2022 but he likely left because of perms. It's not like it's public knowledge exactly how autistic perms can be.

>>69090677
Well at least the company supports you, even if you aren’t that big or profitable

>>69091103
Yagoo is a saviorfag who would support his boys even at a loss and we love him for it.

>>69090320
>f you don’t want to perform on a stage, why even join?
both admitted they applied on a whim and didn't think they'd get in. so the made a plan to leech as much as they can from the hololive branding before they skipped town taking fans with them.

>>69090677
same kinda goes for Sana too. I don't think they had a fully fleshed out idea for how they wanted HoloEN to go that first year.

>>69091452
Yeah, is likely Cover learned from each graduation, we will see in due time, but the latest gens seem to be really into it

>>69085253
No, Holostars won.
They were never getting screwed over by anyone because it's been demonstrated that their management team is very chill so they probably threw a tantrum and graduated on their own, then not Magni showed to be narcissistic and Vesper was already showing his true colors when he was there so it was a good riddance, now that they're gone they aren't stopping projects from getting released and the rest of HQ are having their 3D collab this weekend.

>>69091898
>Magni showed to be narcissistic
>Vesper was already showing his true colors
How so?

>>69087227
Orc is doing well as an indie. Had a pretty successful merch drop. He may not have the resources of Cover, but he's among those proving you just need to maintain the right crowd to do well, not the biggest. And for his own sake, he's happier and better off working at this scale of vtubing.

>>69091296
That may seem like a weakness to some but that heart is also why they have kept it together while the other company is falling apart right now

>>69085253
considering they're both doing fine on their own while still maintaining their relationship with the boys in tempus, i'd say everyone won out at the end. i will forever miss my grampire, but i'm happy to know he's happier now

>>69091970
I don't wanna dox post that much but Magni bragged about how he didn't do anything wrong and overlapped both 3D debuts. Vesper was already throwing a fit back in the japan arc.

>>69092106
What a scumbag what the fuck.

>>69085253
those fucking models are horrendous af

>>69088968
>if you aren't worth 10 million bucks you're irrelevant

>>69086471
>Why couldn't he just shut up and keep making money?
He already had working experience before going into Hololive so he wouldn't put up with the usual shit management gets away with

Vesper had just received a new model and commissioned a new intro/outro and emotes. He had scheduled streams planned his final week before the disappearance. The other talents had said that Magni was the one in charge of their anniversary stream. So, I’ve always wondered what happened in such a short amount of time that led to them not signing new contracts. If they had done something to get fired I don’t think Cover would have hid that.

>>69086471
>Why couldn't he just shut up and keep making money?
>>/vt/thread/53757825#p53763903

>>69092325
It was extremely sudden, they got their updated models everything seems to be alright and studently they banish forever, in the end, only they know what happens, all we have is speculations

>>69092325
As far as I know (I follow the orc pretty closely but only occasionally watch Lando) they only time any of them have alluded to that period was the orc's short where he said he was full of self-loathing and fucked off on a two-week camping trip (most likely during his suspension).

That is to say, I know more than most and I have no fucking idea.

>>69092325
It probably wasn't anything major I'm guessing they probably asked for more money and cover said no so they walked

>>69085253
They decided not to play, which is better than losing, but nowhere close to winning. In the end, I think it was better for them to leave rather than suffer trying to be idols. I still think gramps had tons of potential, but if he can't handle his anxiety, then it's better for him to not push it. It was good while it lasted.

>>69089727
Cover isn't a Chinese company that threatens its employees.

>>69092041
I don't watch the stars, but it's that kind of mentality that keeps the employees from packing it up early. Plus, every win for stars is a loss for Manjisanji, so that's fine with me.

Vesper literally spends his time retweeting the asses of anime men. He is 100% a faggot, as in a creative type- he plays for the other team, he's a backwards mechanic, he's a little cuckoo.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/a0-MjKcnGH4

>>69085253
>Vesper
>2 numbers
>Doing well
Deserved, after that drugie tantrum at japan he truly went to the lowest shit possible.
>>69092961
I remember at their debut how the fag asked the boys who were their husbandos everyone had an ankward moment with the exception of Magni and Vesper.

>>69089916
>>69088997
>Covid killed Vesper’s mom

>>69092880
It was for the best in the long run, if this wasn't for them, why try to force it? Sad they didn't have a proper graduation, but at least they are considered Alums

>>69089330
Sana chose gacha illustration money. Worked out better for her imo

i like when people try to paint magni as spiteful or that he hates the others now when he hangs out with altare + cohorts irl regularly

>>69093131
>I remember at their debut how the fag asked the boys who were their husbandos everyone had an ankward moment with the exception of Magni and Vesper.
I thought it was just a smear but that actually makes the sheer amount of unicorn asshurt so much fucking funnier.

>>69093613
>i like when people try to paint magni as spiteful
only tourists paint him as spiteful. most people who watch him knows that he regrets it heavily and has even been considering returning as his own indie vtuber to recapture the spark.

>>69093189
>vampire themed design
>gets killed by bat flu

>>69093189
>Covid
The truth is much darker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpKMlLp51t8

>>69089330
>sana graduated
correct
with a big send off and wishing the debutants the best too
no idea about the homos tho

>>69092309
I see. Checks out why he's not longer in a regular job, now it all makes sense. Thx for the background context

>>69097197
Reminder that a lot of ENs had gripes about management until they reshuffled the and hired more in the last year or two. And fired Omega if you believe that was a real person.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEtiwiNE1M4

>>69091349
Ask Magni how well that worked for him lol

>>69096253
>vapires don't exist
I guess Vesper left because i took meds

>>69097700
I heard they promoted "gorimane" on the stars side of things, she was a well-regarded talent manager for Tempus in the early days, so I'd say positive moves were made on their side too.

We won because without Vesper's drama and Magni's bitchiness StarsEN has become extremely comf

>>69097197
A lot of the reason these vtuber companies can get away with shit is the talents are young/women so they won't push back as much

>>69085253
They actually lost bad after they left.
Magni I understand a little bit because of the model. But it's not like he cannot ask Cover to help him change to a better one. A lot of Holos did it. Even in Holostars I'm pretty sure they had that as well. So basically his complaints were really not valid for the long run,

Vesper became unhinged the moment he went to Japan. The blame lies entirely on him for this.

Lastly these two did not seem to understand the corpo that they joined. They were there for streaming and extra stuff like singing and dancing. If they wanted to go crazy they should have gone to Niji.

>>69098315
It's not winning or losing there's nothing wrong with leaving a job you don't like

>>69097700
Is likely with the current conditions some of the talents that left could still be here, but sadly, all is a process and what we have today is also be the result of all the feedback they got so far

>>69097700
>talking about holostars
>deflects to hololive
should of guessed
reminder the blue and the orange stayed and maned the ship to relative success. Guess actual work was too much for them.
bet the next reply will be some cope like they were expecting only streaming.

>>69098387
For me they could have gotten a whole lot more then left. The problem is they weren't even at the starting line and they were already complaining.
Yes I know it's just Holostars, but they basically stole spots from people that most likely wanted it a whole lot more than them.

>>69098128
It's incredible what can happen when a branch's management is subject to oversight and has changes made when necessary.

>>69092862
Yeah a contract dispute that didn't pan out is probably the most realistic scenario whether or not you're on their side or Cover's side.

>>69098387
so...they did quit?

>>69097700
Wasn't there an ex-staff member that complained in the JP version of Glassdoor that the talents and higher staff members had too much power in the company? Maybe that was the ex-staff member.

>>69098556
Two VG members were hired with the first four but had their debuts delayed right? We know that Flayon is one of them but did we ever get any idea of the other for a hypothetical alternate first gen?

>>69088968
it's enough to keep streaming as a full time job

>>69098836
But was Hololive really that much of a hassle? He could still be streaming to a stable thousand viewers and with a 3D model right now

>>69098529
Calm your autism, the whole EN side was understaffed in management and had that fixed around the same time, I just only know clips from the girls off the top of my head.

Here you want another one?
https://youtu.be/gwyrUpOa8uI

If you just want to argue about bullshit drama you can go play NDF

>>69086742
>Join idol company
>Shocked you have to do idol stuff at idol company
>Quit idol company to avoid doing idol stuff
5D chess move

I don't know why Magni hated his model so much. I remember debut and people were surprised and exclaiming about the tattoo on his face but that's all. Besides the vtuber makes the model work, not the other way around.

>>69086471
Vesper got pissed Kronii wouldn't let him tap that so he left.

>>69098667
Contract fell through

>>69099091
>He could still be streaming to a stable thousand viewers and with a 3D model right now

Best case scenario, Coco's vagueposting was accurate and the Cover cut is 50%. He's getting more than 500 and doesn't have to deal with game perms anymore. Sounds fair to me.

>"So, how are vesper and fagni???"
>Nobody asks "How's Axel?" (I don't care about the blue fag as much)
The tempus anniversary that never happened, the four man gen being shrunk in half; couldn't these fags just pretend for a couple more months

>>69096253
This is me with zombies. I might watch him now.

>>69098761
Rrats say Bettel because it matches the lore but no one knows

>>69092325
Something happened with the sudden forced hiatus. We'll probably never know what the deal with that was but for some reason I have a feeling it wasn't something as simple as contract negotiations.

Management was probably shit and those two negotiated for it to be less shit because they had prior experience so they knew what less shit management could be like and when they didn't get that change from management they ducked

>>69087227
I don't know anything about what either of them are doing anymore, but as far as Tiktok goes, it pays very little per view. Like, literally $20 or so per 1 million views IIRC

>>69099912
>couldn't these fags just pretend for a couple more months
No anon, they start on a one-year contract and would have had to renew.

I genuinely think it would have been literally impossible for Vesper to do a 3D debut like Altare and Axel just did after how he handled being in Japan a few weeks without his meds. I also think he could not handle that level of public spotlight and unironically expected to be less popular than he was right out the gate.

>>69099423
He applied on a whim, and found out about Hololive through Mori's TTRPG streams.
He probably thought he was joining anime Critical Role.

>>69098387
>there's nothing wrong with leaving a job you don't like
what's sadder is two grown ass men not doing the slightest bit of research into the company they're signing up for then throwing the world's most menhera tantrum

>>69100179
explain the other 2 from the same gen staying
then the other 4 and then the 4 filipinos
shitty people are shitty, no need for an army of women defending their every board kick.

>>69100560
Silently leaving without fanfare is the "world's most menhera tantrum"?

>>69100686
>Silently leaving without fanfare
the 2 menhera months when vesper travel to japan completely unannounced and proceeded to have daily breakdowns is silent?

>>69100755
What does that have to do with their graduations which happened months later, or Magni for that matter?

>>69100679
>explain the other 2 from the same gen staying
Less experience, they are younger after all
>then the other 4 and then the 4 filipinos
Some people have more selfworth than others have it's a values difference also why would flips not stay they're used to abuse

>>69087227
Lando is the one floundering. Serves him right since he self admitted he just expected his fans to follow him anywhere

>>69099912
truth is, no they couldn't
their gimmick was based on no more gens debuting for a while. but the the homosEN2 came, then advent, then Regloss and then more homos.
they had no chance out of irrelevancy so before tourist and muh unity fags abandoned the ship, their choice was to leave thru the back door

>>69099912
Axel and Altare are doing great.
They have higher a ccv than what magni and vesper are getting as indies.
The only reason catalog doesn't talk about them is that they keep it to holostars.

>>69100179
Per Axel and Altare, StarsEN's management was very inexperienced in the beginning and they encountered a lot of trouble but eventually their staff was strengthened over time and I think the talents and the fans generally gel more with their current management. Also Shinove left during the branch's infancy so there probably was a shakeup on that side. They talk about 2023 being really rough for them, sorta like how Myth talks about their early days being really rough. Maybe if Magni and Vesper things out it would have gotten better and they wouldn't make the same decision today, who knows.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG4aF9z5Cag

>>69085253
I don't think Vesper regrets leaving because he's a selfish menhera with like-minded fans, but I feel like Magni regrets it now. He was pretty into the music and performance aspect of Holostars.

They realized it makes no sense to join a branch that is taboo for the other talent to acknowledge, let alone collab.

>>69086869
This

>>69101353
>Taboo for the other talent to acknowledge
The list of vtubers that don't collab with men is shorter than the list of vtubers that do. In fact, I wager its size is less than half.
If you're whining at it at this point I can only imagine its because you consume tabloid drama about muh unicorns ruining HoloLive and nothing logical.

>>69095132
Do you have any links to that? Genuinely curious, it's hard to see a stars catalog thread that's not just full of shitflinging.

>>69086471
He was a weakling

>>69102058
Based

>>69101889
NTA and I don't follow magni anymore but I do know he showed concept art for a vtuber design about a month after quitting. It was some femboy priest/cleric. Not sure if that stream is what that anon means.

funny how nijisisters keep reusing the same 2 faggots to deflect from their shit but go to threads like /mans/ and /cbdct/ and appeal to their paranoia with good old "its the bronies doing it"
unity am I right?

>>69085253
they lost the moment they became male vtubers

>>69087077
This.

People like to cite Vesper's problem with game perms as a reason why he left, here's what he's played since:

Disco Elysium: A good game I enjoyed but heavily political, racial themes, and you can even punch a kid and kill a different kid.
Fear and Hunger: A game with heavy body horror, torture, mutilation, gore, and genitalia
Fear and Hunger 2: Same as above

Hololive dodged a massive bullet and we're talking about a company that let their resident Aussie play a funny penis game. Even Nijisanji wouldn't be that stupid to let their vtubers play F&H.

>>69102574
Was that the same stream as when he also mentioned wanting to pick up music again? He seemed more interested in that since VTubering was in that "maybe. too early" phase

>>69101301
yeah, I remember losing a lot of hope in the holostars brand as a whole when Shinove resigned, that guy did a lot to build up the JP side. it makes sense that his departure would have impacted the staff assignments for the EN branch. thankfully they eventually got their shit together

>>69103048
Funny enough Shiori and Mori both talked about wanting to stream F&H. But that was months ago so presumably they never got perms and probably never will.

>>69103131
I don't think so. The design reveal was at the end of a bugsnax stream. I think he mentioned doing more music during one of his chatting streams within a week of quitting.

>>69103048
He didn't finish Disco though and I'm willing to bet he'll drop Rogue Trader, given that the same flag of "this game is so good" has been risen multiple times now. Yes he plays some good games, but he never really sticks to them (except F&H maybe). Factorio, Dwarf Fortress, so many games he named as "such a good games" were dropped. I kinda hate him for that.

>>69103048
Those are all good games what is your problem

>>69085253
Considering I have no idea who they once were, and who they're streaming as now, I'ma say no.

I don think they "Won" but certainly didn't lose. No actual recorded scandal for company, still mentioned often by the other guys, got "Alumni" status.

Going by PL/RM/"whatever the fuck you want to call it", Magni is close with his genmates and Vanguard. Vesper isolated himself from everyone but Magni which is interesting, but they still follow him. Both got merch collabs after leaving.

Came and went. Disappointed both left but honestly works out better for their personalities and content.

>>69101349
It's a fucking job, mate. And if job is giving you panic attacks, no matter how good you are (most SCs in the branch btw) or how cool is the job stepping back and doing a simpler thing is not selfish, it's basic self-preservation.
I understand you lusting for him (me too sister) but he doesn't own you anything for you to call him selfish

>>69103048
Cover actually is the one to blame, they could just let him use mods to censor F&H, also it's fucking retarded that GURA NEEDS A FUCKING PERMISSION TO PLAY PALWORLD WITH A MOD OF CHARACTER OWNED BY FUCKING COVER!,

>>69103048
I get why you picked those but also:
KotOR
Night Trap
Alien Hominid (Lando collab)
Long Live the Queen

Dude loves old and obscure games that the publishers have probably forgotten exist, corpos always have trouble even getting them to reply to requests for perms.
Don't forget they're also cooking a D&D campaign, and Holo tried and failed to get perms for that according to Mori.

>>69103263
F&H is full of dicks. You can't stream it on YT or Twitch without the censor mod, and until Lethal Company like last month Holo has never gotten permission to stream with mods. Probably only got that one because the dev is one guy who's hyper-aware of the exposure he's getting from streamers.

>>69085253
Yes, they got to collab with Mori and Kronii before leaving. I really love those streams. I hope Kronii can collab with them using her RM

>>69093812
It really is fucking funny the "fuck your Oshi" guys people hated so much were two autistic gay guys.

>>69085253
Traitors deserve to be forgotten.

>>69104371
They have D&D perms now, Ruze just ran a oneshot for Armis.

>>69104323
He's objectively selfish, vestie. That doesn't make him wrong, he's looking out for himself and that's understandable. But he caused a lot of trouble for everyone by only thinking of himself.

>>69104612
HQ literally played one with Vesper as a DM even, to further your point

>>69104863
You're right, I forgot that was 5E. Wasn't WotC in the middle of that big scandal when Mori tried to get perms? Maybe that played into it.

>>69086742
Then why the fuck did he join an idol company

100%
kek

>>69095132
>that he regrets it heavily
So what? He quit emotionally instead of thinking logically?

>>69104857
See, while I agree with you in theory, in practice there was only one opportunity to make an exit. You can't keep betting on a losing hand, you have to cut your losses. Boys are doing fine, they got their 3Ds and future is looking bright for them. I'd argue that staying longer would cause even more trouble, hence "selfish" is too strong here. He could've planned the exit earlier, sure, but we don't know what exactly was happening behind the scenes, if management laid the plans before him like "we need 2 more covers, and in winter you'll need to come to jp for 3d" or something like that. So I wouldn't speculate that he was planning it, and hence won't call him selfish for not quitting sooner.

>>69085253
LOL no. Those two grifters thought they could transfer their homostar audience to their rm. Obviously, they failed. Now they are usually a low 3 view shitters.

>>69105137
Because you won't know how it is until you try? You don't get a stage fright by imagining an audience in your head, and such.

>>69105137
>>69100542
He thought he was going to be an "idol", as in anime Matt Mercer, and not an idol, as in AKB48

>>69104371
>kotor
>old and obscure
Fuckin kyle katarn is old, kotor is just classic.

>>69105965
kek

>>69085253
Knee-capped male vtubing in the west outside of the luxiem man whores, if they're not winning they certainly caused a lot of damage.
Check playboard and twitch tracker, they're both down to sub-500. Even removing Covers cut they're probably making less then half of what they made as stars since they're still losing out on sponsorship deals, merch, and whatever Cover gives their streamers to not stave on the streets.

Kind of shows the sad state of streaming when even a HoloStar is probable in the top 20% of all streamers. But I guess you can drag a horse to water but you can't make him drink. May they be happier in their little dirt hovels compared to the sensible side-split house HoloStars could have gotten them. Hopefully they have better paying day jobs.

>>69095132
>regerts
But he's doing fine ccv and dono-wise.

>>69105037
No, that was after I think, unless if you are not talking about license drama

>>69104371
I still think talent freedom vis-a-vis game perms is a meme. As great as it is seeing an old classic get some love you're just not going to get a lot of people to watch you bash your head against a wall playing Contra or 100%ing some old rareware collectathon. It's not like Cover bans talent from using their PLs either, why could they just play old kusoge on their instead?

>>69105626
>Twitch stats for the orc
He doesn't even monetize Twitch anon, YT CCV is usually around triple.

Streaming was never Lando's main gig and he still does short-form edited videos, more than he did while he was with Stars. People go full-time with less than what those get.

>>69106782
> you're just not going to get a lot of people to watch you bash your head against a wall playing Contra
> Koroner exist
You've lost your yubi privilege, fucker

Vesper is unironically in the best position of anyone that has ever left a corpo, at least within the desires and expectations of his own life. He is playing whatever he wants, whenever he wants with a smaller but dedicated enough fanbase to put food on the table indefinitely (his popularity under Cover was unironically detrimental to his mental health). Of course he also burned quite a few bridges to get there and effectively lowered the long term potential of HolostarsEN, but on a purely selfish level, there's no denying he got everything he wanted.
Magni much less so. He's in a ton of debt and his growth is all but gone at this point, but hey, at least he's back with his girlfriend.

>>69106912
This. If you're entertaining, people will watch.

>>69086742
Why join a literal idol group then

>>69106782
>you're just not going to get a lot of people to watch you bash your head against a wall playing Contra
Considering he doesn't monetize Twitch just because he wants people to be able to watch without ads, I genuinely don't think he cares.

>It's not like Cover bans talent from using their PLs either?
You could ask that for a lot of them. My best guess is that they're just not motivated enough to pile that on top of their off-stream work.
Pretty sure they specifically van VTuber alts since they either go flesh (Coco, Kiara, Calli) or PNG (Kronii, Vesper) when they do, but obviously that doesn't stop them when they really want to.

>>69106912
I love Korone, she's the one that pushed me down the rabbit hole but her numbers when she's playing kusoge are near-shitter tier for a JP holo.

>>69090942
Perms are the main reason most agency Vtubers play the same few games over and over.

>>69097700
NijiEN seemed to have the opposite problem. The few competent managers they did have supposedly got poached by other orgs like Phase Connect. Hence Petra's RM's statement that things used to be better and now they're not.

>>69085253
I don’t know and I don’t care but the fact that they didn’t give the slightest enough of a shit to give a goodbye to their fans makes me not like either of them

>>69087227
You don't make money in TikTok. Mr. Beast said he made a little 15k and he had over a billion views on there. You use that exposure to get money elsewhere like in sponsorships. That's where the real money from TikTok comes from.

>>69103263
F&H has rape and nudity in it. only way they'd be able to stream it is with mods and shit which Cover will never allow.

>>69085253
Win what? They lost out on an opportunity of their lives but at the very least they seem to be less stressed from the Holo workload.

>>69104371
In the lore of F&H, All-Mer conquered cities and nations and forced the ruling sultans to give him blowjobs or be killed. This act of gay cock sucking can be seen in the wall art of one of the games, can't remember if it was 1 or 2.

>>69086742
>women have it so easy it's not fair
>NOOO WHAT YOU MEAN I HAVE TO SING AND DANCE FOR MONEY AIIEEEE

Damn this thread is full of excuses for the 2 Homos that quit after Mori and Kronii gave them full support in expensive of their own popularity.
>but muh antis hurt their feelings!!
The girls before then face way worse shit than they fucking did. Fucking weak mentality shitters, at least Altare and Axel stuck it around making sure that Kobo and Zeta's sacrifices werent in vain.

>>69105137
Simply put, naivety. He thought he could join a corpo and act like an indie.

>>69105626
The only reason orc has high 3 views is because he or someone close to him spams orc threads 24/7 on the catalogue.

>>69104332
Cover doesn't use mods those require more permitions.

>>69108774
>"hur dur all these women have to do is play games"
>*Joins Homostars*
>"WTF WHAT YOU MEAN I HAVE TO DO OTHER STUFF?!?!"
L.O.L

>>69085253
They're still active elsewhere and unicorns are still seething about them specifically despite not even being in holostars anymore

>>69099912
No one asks because Altare and Axel just got their 3Ds and they're living it up in Japan. Everyone knows they're doing great.

>>69108880
Why do the complaints about males drawing harassment to the girls always come from the people harassing the girls?

>>69086742
These 2 maggots are mentally weaker than woman
Kronii and Fauna are bad at this but they can still do it anyway

>>69086869
Antis are still seething at the rest of holostars lol.

>>69092106
>Thread reader.

>>69093131
Did you even watch his streams?

>>69109977
Thanks to them we got ammo to shit on homo every time

>>69103048
>played edgy shit to stay relevant
>running out so better extend the playthrough
lol, sad

>>69110911
Or he simply just likes those games?

>>69103781
i love disco elysium, it's not a good stream game and everyone knows that. it's effectively an interactive book

>>69104371
>and until Lethal Company like last month Holo has never gotten permission to stream with mods.
That's not true -- there are plenty of mods that have been on Hololive streams. The most obvious one is Among Us proximity chat, but Minecraft is another -- shaders count, and the server itself has a couple minor mods in it too.

>>69105137
I could ask the same about half of HoloEN.

>>69099091
For most people probably not, for that menhera it was killing him dealing with jap management and all that shit. On top of being expected to learn how to sing and dance. Not for everyone.

>>69114690
Yeah, its just that they have to go through the same process getting mod perms as game perms, and for a lot of mods that's too much hassle or is impossible. + the game itself needs to be put out by a non-retarded publisher. They wouldn't get perms to play modded Monster Hunter for example.

lolno

>>69104093
Professor Lando and Randon Neuring

>>69116285
On top of the normal perms they have to get both perms from the publisher to use mods in general and perms from the mod creator to use that specific mod. Even if everyone's willing it's usually not worth the effort, hence
>Lethal Company
>Among Us
>Minecraft
Games that they expect to be played in large collabs and/or for a long time.

This is a weirdly subdued thread.

>>69106112
all fairness to vesper, even worse than singing and dancing, I truly get the impression that being in Japan 4-6 weeks a year might have been rough on him...
also it's a lot easier to do this as a side job when you aren't constantly needing to message managers for perms and approvals

>>69121292
The people that made stars discussion unbearable in the past are currently eating their hearts out with Nijisanji.

>>69086471
>Hey Vesper, what's your problem? Just stop being a menhera, man. Come on, just think rationally, bro.

>>69110672
Ammo has expired bud. It only makes you seethe.

>>69085253
Vesper, apparently. Magni, no fucking idea.

>>69102574
That was concept art from his planned indie chuuba design before he got accepted into Holo. Now that he has more experience streaming, he doesn't think that type of character would be as fun to play anymore and would be too limiting. He has a new chuuba cooking which is estimated to be done late this year or possibly next year (mama/papa assumed to be good since the wait is so long). He's just received the concept art recently but is keeping it a surprise.
>>69095132
He doesn't "regret it heavily." He was sad about it and hinted that things weren't all under his control, but he's said repeatedly that 2023 was the worst year of his life and the stress was even taking a physical toll on him. He's much happier now, so it's for the best in the end.

>>69123808 (me)
I mean I wouldn't say he "regrets" it exactly. But I agree that the spiteful angle was only peddled by antis and shitposters.

>>69106935
It also helps that there's literally no one in Hololive like Vesper. Even outside of Holo, there are very few middle-aged eldritch weeb vtubers, and fewer still that balance between simply unhinged and autismo 9000 without falling over the edge.

Honestly very happy for him. I liked his more varied content and diverse collabs before, but he seems genuinely happy and much less stressed now, so I can't complain too much.

>>69085253
I think Vesper did the best, but I kind of wish they just stuck with Holostars. At least the naive part of me who wished to think they were a group of frirnds going through thick and thin together. Don't care about cover, management was to obtuse with them and tried to play it too safe

>>69123047
>homobeggar still seeething
Unicorn win again

>>69121877
That kind of fan mentality would be nice when the girls don't stream +4 times a weeks and this board starts schizoing about it.

>>69105137
>>69107345
I feel like they knew but didn't really KNOW, especially for Holostars, because if you watched them most of their knowledge of Holostars was stuff that was obviously taken from clips (there's one thing about Astel they once brought up that I refuse to believe they didn't learn from /here/).

Altare, Axel and Vesper did a watchalong of JP's last venue live and Vesper is practically catatonic during most of it.

>>69121877
I feel that Vesper is the type of person to like his comfort zone, more so than the average person.

My favorite story from his time in Japan was when he needed a haircut. Under the hair-cutting cape, he had his hands tucked in his chest ready to defend his neck in case the Jap barber decided to pull a garrote on him. Such was his paranoia, but to Vesper's credit, he admitted it was probably the best haircut he ever received

>>69125580
Stars fans have always been more chill. Idk why the rest of vt acts like teenager girls overdosed on gossip.

>>69127570
>damn, I need to do all of this in the future ? There are no fucking way, Imma out da here

>>69127570
Let's be honest, they weren't going to force Vesper to do it if they knew he didn't have it in him. They would've just given him small steps like Fauna's song

>>69128367
They're accommodating for sure, look at some of the soulful members in HoloJP like Mel or Choco. The Stars are pretty high level in general but like Altare can't sing for shit. Problem is, you still have to make an effort and if you're as autistic as Vesper was making an effort when you know you're bad just means you feel like you're making a fool of yourself. Hence all the drinking.

I wished they stuck with Holostars especially since they were acting as perfect counterpoints to Altare and Axel on top of acting as the bridges to the live counterparts, but isn't Magni much more successful as Lando anyway?

He was the one in HQ with all the crazy ideas and the schizo rants but we all know that to be able to put that on stream it requires shitton of perms, maybe it wasn't just worth it when he was able to do the same kind of stuff as Lando

And Vesper, well he always gave off the "too old for this shit" vibe so I guess he was scared to dance and sing too much

>>69122914
This but 100% unironically

>>69130089
Kek

>>69129271
Well, he is a grown man, he takes decisions for himself, but I find it concerning the mere thought of giving it a go is enough to make him stop on his tracks

>>69128367
Plenty of StarsJP members don't even dance that much, even their group songs have relatively simple steps to accommodate all of them. But all of them have still put in a lot of effort with their singing, which might have been enough to scare Vesper. I think he was about to do his second karaoke ever before he left.

Does anyone have the drunk japan stream archive?