/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

there is a thread already. you can delete this one

>>69028110

>>69028110
I always forget she exists until she makes some post trying to sound like vtubing's Martin Luther King Jr.

>>69028177
can you link it

>>69028290
Why did she even start acting like this out of nowhere? Things seemed fine when she just did her own thing, but then she suddenly started trying to claim credit for something that was on the rise regardless.

>>69028331
here you go, ping pong >>69020593

>>69028386
The funny thing is Coco was useful in helping acclimatize the West to Holo chuubas in specific, but she herself really did not actually try that hard to build up the scene in the West. She fucking never did English streams basically outside of meme review, she was a straight-up JP chuuba who got peoples' attention because she -could- speak English potentially. Not that she fucking actually did much. If you tuned into a usual Coco stream that wasn't meme review, it was 1000% Japanese and probably playing some fucking very-Japanese shit that nobody in the West knows or cares about or going on a long zatsu for her JP tatsunoko.

I don't want to say she did 'nothing' for the West, but she fucking certainly did not do remotely as much as she could have, and now lays back on this savior image she has when she fucking voluntarily quit being Coco to... fucking join vshojo of all companies. She doesn't understand fucking jack shit if she thought her Holo audience would just love to go hop on over to Twitch and watch her be with vshojo yukking it up with fucking horrible ethot shitstains.

Hell, Pikamee was probably just as important as Coco in terms of total contribution pre-holoEN, and of course Pikamee and Coco combined were probably like less than 10% of the factor for vtubers taking off post-Myth.

>>69028750
>less than 10% of the factor for vtubers taking off post-Myth.
by the time myth came out, coco's work was already done. she didn't have to do anything else.

>>69028750
>fucking join vshojo of all companies
Because she knows what's good
seethe and cope

>>69029055
yeah too bad her audience and clout dwindled ever since, she literally hits 3view now sometimes. she's totally a 4d chess player right.

>>69029092
Of course it's a lying numbermonkey who is seething.

Another Scarle deflection thread.

>>69029257
spouting facts isn't seething. if you have to keep trying to tag 'seething' to every post when I'm being quite benign, it sounds more like you're projecting your own seethe onto me.

>>69029092
That's so true sister Kuro also get smaller numberinos they should have stayed in their hecking corporations for bigger stock prices

>>69029257
We wouldn't even be having this thread again if kson didn't make that seething tweet, shithead. Now go back to your discord because you sound like a teenager.

>>69029395
There's a lot of angry fans of hers in the other thread, so discussion about her that isn't positive is a touchy subject right now.

>>69029511
Where is Scarle

Well respected and venerated as a pioneer?

Calm down.

>>69029578
here
https://twitter.com/cusleacrann/status/1757670276311953753

>>69028110
so is she gonna side with the nijiniggers on this one too?

>>69029578
I'm not a Nijifag, I don't like kson. You forget that Holochads mock all you subhumans equally. It's funny watching you all attack each other with sticks from my highrise.

>>69029578
She's busy having sex with me.

>>69029717
Wow bro that sounds badass

>>69029717
Why do you care?

Why do you hate coco even when we have no beef?

Let that shit go

>>69029717
I don't even know why he keeps calling non-kson fans Nijifags in every thread when kson has nothing to do with that corpo.

>>69029835
Do you think she would terk on a dick like her life depended on it?

>>69029930
>I don't know why nijikeks would seethe at kson throwing shade at niji
We need a detective to figure this out someone wake up Ame

>>69029927
I hate her because this fucking tweet is retarded and she often makes retarded posts like that.

>>69030104
Close your eyes haha

>>69029930
Do you notice how holos don't ever get involved in any of this petty shit openly? Even Mumei, who has close ties to Selen, didn't go on a fucking Twitter meltdown over this crap. Just shut the fuck up, do you tune into the news to see how the weatherman feels politically? Just do your fucking jobs.

>>69029994
I don't think, I move my hips.

>>69028750
>The funny thing is Coco was useful in helping acclimatize the West to Holo chuubas in specific
I feel like koro-san had a much bigger impact on western audiences noticing holo chuubas in 2020. Her translated clips had way more viewers and she probably spent way more time streaming into NA hours.

>>69028290
>>69028386
>>69028750
But it's true?

>>69030322
Is the tweet in the OP supposed to be a "meltdown"?

>>69030322
That's right drones do NOT say that my corpo mistreats talents just ignore it like the other corporate girls don't talk about the industry that you're in you fucker

>>69030580
Just sounds like she's concerned. In no way does it sound like a meltdown.

>>69028750
Coco and her fans are delusional if they actually think she's the main reason why vtubers became popular in the west.
If you were to ask anyone who started watching chuubas back in 2020 during Coco's peak, they would most likely answer either Korone, Fubuki, or even Myth.

>>69030322
I agree, any grandstanding is stupid. The unfolding of the drama is fun and all when it's contained in here, but I don't care to see people who aren't involved make empty statements just to appease to Twitter dramafags who need a screenshot to post somewhere. As for the Holo part, there might be an agreement in their contracts to not discuss other corpo drama since it's virtually never brought up even in streams and honestly, who the fuck cares at the end of the day. Niji is going to burn whether Kson, Mumei, Marine, or whoever else says something about it.

>he doesn't have fun and don't respect his oshi

>>69029395
>spouting facts
delusional
>I'm t-totally not seething!
you wouldn't even be in this thread if you weren't.

>>69029511
you make kson seethe threads because she's living rent free in your head regardless of what she posts.

>>69030732
>started watching during gen 1
I give early credit to Fubuki and most of the later growth to Korone. Korone clips were inescapable during the Holo boom and are still extremely prevalent, though not nearly as much as they were. Even Rushia rage clips would break the algo at times. Myth solidified the EN market though, and making that branch was a gamble at the time.

I mean come on, what is wrong with that tweet, you can disagree with the first part, just don't chimp about it, you are human after all. The second part is not even controversial, unless you nijisanji treats their vtubers with respect and all of them are having fun

>>69030580
If she felt the need to go on Twitter and blurt out her irrelevant two cents, yes. Hololive doesn't do that shit and that's how they avoid getting dragged into the shit themselves.

>>69030474
korone/fubuki/matsuri/peko clips (in addition to Miko's GTA clip) did more work getting the holo name out there initially than coco ever did.

coco was extremely well-liked within the community of people who -already- liked holoJP. she didn't do much to actually help grow the brand until way later with meme review. as was said, she was a JP holo, always was, debuted with 4th gen like any of the others. people just edged imagining her speaking english knowing it was possible. hell people rratted (well before that was a term) pretending she was lurking /hlg/ in /jp/ when actually she never really gave much a clue of being that well-informed hence her stupid cringe reddit shit later.

>>69030790
Yes schizo now I'm the one making all these threads. You found me. I just can't stop fucking thinking about her fat tits.

>>69030959
Why is hololive covering up for kurosanji

>>69030959
Cough cough.. Kiara cough...

Where is the lie?

>>69031084
what shit did Kiara got dragged into?

>>69030665
Shhh. Not acting like its a HUGE DEAL would mean less DRAMA.

>>69031115
Holobabies are mad that people who go to cons still like kson instead of chimping out over her having a different logo now

>>69030959
So people in the same space can't talk about it?

>>69031199
>people who still like kson
what, all 10 of them? of course anyone who paid money to go to the con to meet her is gonna do everything they can do pump her up. the remaining has-been status crowd scattered to the winds and people aren't going to put in effort to inform her they no longer are fans, they're just absent.

>>69028110
>Non-hololive vtuber industry will be dead in 5 years
Well would you look at that

>>69031325
she never said that you retarded island monkey

>people are still seething at kson
Fucking hilarious. These people are the same retards that still follow her on twitter keeping guard on whatever she posts on twitter and seethe about it when it's anything about vtubing. Absolutely baffling mental retardation.

>>69031325
that might be one of the only insightful things she ever said.

even so, I think she could wind up wrong if holo insists on homo-ifying itself too much and at least in the West there could be others who could take the torch. it's not that phase or idol are so great, they're just there as little mice scurrying under the holo dinosaur's feet and could eventually hold the torch if there's a big falling out.

>>69031306
she has thousands of fans who watch every stream live, delusional anti.

>>69031325
Tbh, non-cover agencies are bad at being companies. Anyone who runs their companies like a company will be successful

>>69031419
Zero substance post

>>69028290
who's vtubing's malcolm x?

>>69031273
Not if they want to be seen as professionals...and avoid being catalog bait /here/. I'm sure she got a lot of yazz Queen slayyy from the Twitter crowd. Why you would want to appeal to them, I don't know.

>>69028110
> Show your own face and belittle the virtual character
>Vtuber

>>69031677
You're acting like they're morally superior but in reality they just aren't allowed to have opinions because it can hurt a potential sponsor's feelings.

>>69031677
No one gives a shit about this place lmao

>>69028110
Sis has the memory of a goldfish as she had somehow forgotten the onslaught of zhang bugmen unleashed upon her

>>69030954
People exaggerated Coco's impact just because she interacted on reddit

>>69032012
Which is funny considering that's the only time Reddit gets a pass on this website. I don't understand why, and that's not even a dig at Coco. Genuinely just never made sense to me even back then.

>>69031854
Which is how it should be. Expert tard wrangling so they don't let their retardation get the best of them. Most companies work that way. Nijisanji fucked that up and now look at them.

>>69032100
Reddit matters more than /tv/

>>69028110
>trying to link a random post to Doki
Nijinigs are braindead

>>69032383
Okay riku

>>69030732
>>69030954
>>69031046
when faggots complain about EN they never mention miko, Korone, Fubuki, or Myth just coco
remember to correct them

>>69032012
>reddit
https://youtu.be/7629AQmzT-4?si=2uv6cM2Mvlbm1sFx

>>69028750
>The funny thing is Coco was useful in helping acclimatize the West to Holo chuubas in specific

Miko, foobs and matsuri had a way bigger contribution for vtubing to be known globally than coco. Let's stop overrating coco too much, she's just one of the Holo not even one of the best holo

>>69033170
I still remember pulling for Holos on Azur Lane before Coco even debuted and the collab was already a big deal in the west since that game was just starting to blow up. Fubuki, Matsuri, and Aqua were the top dogs that everybody wanted at the time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pd22wbqeQDE

>>69033170
>>69028386
>>69028750
>>69032100
do you know that asacoco was where live translators first emerged?

>>69032977
why would I care about those retards
>>69033161
what the fuck is that video supposed to prove? what does Lamy know how chuubas got big in the west?

>>69033625
>why would I care about those retards
if you want the good you have to take the bad too don't be a faggot be a man

>>69033170
Did people already forget that Coco was the one that rallied for HoloEN's creation in the first place? Wasn't it basically her idea?

>>69033886
or maybe you should stop seething at obvious baits

>>69034064
Not either of those anons, but stating that Korone, Fubuki, and Matsuri were the first Holos to start harboring a western fanbase for Hololive is just being historically accurate.

>>69033600
Look at this newfag capping

Live translating is already there before coco even debut like Miko's BecauseOfReason and Mel's kakuya

>>69033943
Not her "idea" because many people had the idea, and decided against it. More accurate to say she was the biggest internal advocate at Cover.

>>69033943
Hololive already have established overseas fans and they obviously knows what people want thru clips and reading their statistics, HoloEN is going to happen sooner or later, Coco speeds up the process

>>69033600
Yo newfag, i use to get Korone clips prior to Coco's debut. So stop being a retard

>>69028110
Why is a flesh streamer acting like the arbiter of vtubing?

>>69034353
I know that. Anyone who was actually in the community back then knows that fact.
Its just for some reason, people are over-exaggerating Coco's impact in the west and ended up undermining the other holo's impact on their popularity outside of japan.

>>69033943
>Wasn't it basically her idea?
she had nothing to do with it
https://grapeejapan.com/169910
as per this interview, this manager claims to be have been responsible for the development of the branch
coco didn't even have a hand in the hiring process, she was just as in the dark as to who was hired for myth as we were. her involvement in the creation of the EN branch started and ended with asacoco shorts.

It's funny how people like to trash kson like "omg why she pretending to be the messiah"

Idk anon, maybe because like 90% of the people into vtubing was from her clips. Like who cares though right.

>>69028110
Coco certainly gets a good amount of credit but saying she's "most responsible for the EN vtubing scene" is a serious stretch. Or more accurately it's just not true.
HoloJP as a whole laid the groundwork with popular clips and stuff (especially Korone and Miko and Fubuki) and then Myth took the ball and ran miles with it.

>>69028110
wtf is her problem these days

>90% of people into vtubing was from her clips
No way this shit isn't bait.

>>69034978
Because you're making up shit. People didn't start watching vtubers because they saw korone talking about pepeloni pizza, they started watching because they went "oh this english speaking dragon that likes to yell fuck. i can actually understand them and they're kind of funny"

>>69035050
>as per this interview, this manager claims to be have been responsible
>manager

Tell me you you've never had a job without telling me you've never had a job

>>69035116
>Korone talking about pepeloni pizza
NTA, but you're just proving that you don't even know what you're talking about.

>>69035170
Agreed.

>>69034886
>live translators
>clips
Yo stupid, I guess you know that they are 2 different things. So stop being a retard

>>69035176
>NTA, but I'm going to disagree with you because I feel like rewriting history to match my own narrative.

Yeah I agree

Most superchatted vtubers from hololive as of today:

1. Rushia - graduated feb 2022
2. Coco - graduated july 2021
3. Pekora

Yes anon, coco had nothing to do with anything you're absolutely correct. There's clearly a good reason why even after 3 years no one from holo can catch up to her.

>>69035254
I'm disagreeing with you because you don't even know who said what back then but are trying to be a self-proclaimed knower of what happened back then. Vtubers were already well known in the west before Coco, and it wasn't strictly limited to Hololive because Kizuna Ai and numerous other oldchubas had already broken through.

>>69035381
lol you guys really are scorned number lovers.

>>69035381
Coco got good superchats. From JP fans. The whole discussion is about EN fans, no?

>>69035381
Damn, I can't believe Rushia is responsible for EN vtubing being where it is today.

>>69028750
Yup, anyone disagreeing just ask yourself which chuuba you first saw and which chuuba brought you into the rabbit hole. Ledditors need no reply.

>>69035400
>Vtubers were already well known in the west before Coco
and yet no one gave a shit other than looking at clips

>kson says be nice
>NOOO YOU BLOODY FACKING KEK WHORE WESTERNS WHORE KEK FUCKING BLOODYYYYYYYYYYY DO NOT REEEDEEEM IIIIT

>>69031583
Artia

>>69035468
For me, it was very early Fubuki but Korone is the one that locked me in. Now Kanata is my oshi.

The newfags and falsefags really love to downplay the importance of Coco's contribution, too bad they are a minority that does not affect popular opinion.
They can continue to argue in their hug box without getting anywhere as usual.

>>69028750
>it was 1000% Japanese
did you nigger even watch her stream?

>>69035417
>numbers
the crux of the whole argument is based on numbers anon. you can't argue someone expanded vtubing without increasing numbers.

>>69035525
>when kson says jump
>(you) ask how high

>>69035613
no they didn't, they'd rather just complain. tis the life of a holofag

Step 1:
Reject all graduated talents
Step 2:
Ignore everything your company did wrong and pretend like the other company did it worse
Step 3:
Spam nijicope when someone disagrees with you

>>69035619
What argument? I don't see an argument in that post to be honest.

Coco got EN going with Vtubers, but Kson is just a 3-D person using Live2D

>>69031418
thats the gayest analogy I've read in like, 3 days

>>69035707
>but Kson is just a 3-D person using Live2D
derp

>>69035613
Yes i did. No, not 1000% of her streams were Japanese. Yes, 75% was

>>69030474
Fell down the rabbit hole due to dog (and then quickly her groomed cats and the cow tits knight) so yes.

>>69035680
Everyone loves Delta and Mel

>>69035743
About 25%
Source: me, I was there.
Hello tourist

>>69035071
75% of my friends found Vtubing through the fucking eekum bookum meme. None of them knew who Coco was for the longest time

>>69035771
>everyone loves mel
yeah that's why no one gave a shit about the on going harassment she had to deal with at the company.

i see that you're on step 2 anon
>>69035680

>>69035707

>>69030474
Korone undoubtedly had one of the biggest impacts on widening the scope of vtubings reach in other parts of the world. Anybody who disagrees with this is either arguing in bad faith to defend their oshi or just doesn't know what they're talking about.

>>69035779
Call me a tourist but you're a newfag. Why do you think Kson wanted Vshojo JP. Aks yourself, how much of her Youtube stream and that audience is right now still JP? That's 75% if not 80%

>>69035485
why are you so fucking retarded. It was thanks to clips that made vtubers popular in the west. More specifically, clips of Korone, Fubuki and Miko.

>>69035884
yes, the millions of people that started watching vtubers sat there for 8 hours watching a cartoon dog play video games despite not understanding a single fucking word she was saying.

Holofags are this delusional

>>69035846
>no one gave a shit
Fans or talents? Either way you obviously weren't around. That was old /jp/ hlg drama everyone paid attention to.

>the vshojo fan finally outed himself
Now it makes sense why all of these false historical claims keep getting posted. Nobody who was around back then is a vshojo fan.

>>69035937
You're not really making a convincing argument by saying "oh it's ok they fired her despite them keeping an employee around for 2 years that was harassing and stalking her". I'm waiting for step 3 patiently here.

>>69035994
You're mixing up two different events 3 to 4 years apart bro.

Korone's infamous doom streams
>300-400k views

Coco's meme reviews
>all over 500k views

Yup definitely was Korone

>giving a fuck about coco
Nah, en chooba scene is mostly from pekora and korone. Coco just rode the wave.

I know vshitshow are deranged but even then getting mad at the dog feels unreal like a falseflag.

Kson lives rent free in every holofags head and that makes me happy

>>69036253
>but even then getting mad at the dog
literally no one is mad at the dog SEA ESL

Holo lives rent free in every ksongumi's head and that makes me happy

>>69035918
Clips. Translated clips.
Idk what to say anymore. How do you live life with 0 common sense?

>>69036324
we aren't the ones making threads about it

>>69036363
we're replying in every thread for many hours though! Can't stop thinking about evil holofags!

>>69036362
>he's trying to imply people watching clips on channels not owned by the company makes the company earn money and makes people watch moon speaking cartoon girls

lel

>>69036363
you called him a mean word when he made 3 kson anti threads
that means you hate hololive and want to literally eviscerate all the talents

>>69028110
Unlike kson, doki is actually fun to watch

>>69036263
>>69036324
I unironically like Kson, albeit less then Coco bur i still like her. HOWEVER, her ego is so self inploded, like that Riku guy who put his face on fucking curry, that she thinks that she is the vtuber messiah.

it ruins vtubing (for me) when I don't think of the streamer as their avatar anymore

>>69035846
>the on going harassment
The one that happened years ago and already solved ? Why would people bring that up ?

>>69036481
>esl seafag tries to read a sentence and fails miserably

>>69036461
>she thinks that she is the vtuber messiah
no she doesn't

>>69036481
ksontard schizo's favorite narrative proving hololive is evil

>>69036520
shhh don't ruin their delusion they're almost at step 3

>>69035680

>>69028750
Personally i didn't give a shit about Coco until I saw clips about her helping Watame and Kanata. If anything, I disliked her because of her loudness and shitty voice. I learned to truly appreciate her shortly around CN drama.
The reason I was interested in Hololive was Azur Lane collab followed by watching Fubuki and Matsuri clips. Later Okayu streams. Most of my friends got into Hololive through either Korone streams, Fubuki scatman or said Azur Lane collab.
Miko nigga must be NA thing because I didn't hear much about it until becoming active on /vt/.

>>69036559
You don't have to prove something on 4chan for it to be true.

ITT: people that think the vtuber boom occurred because millions of people poured in to watch girls they couldn't understand

>>69036520
Surely not anon, never did she boast about "Talent freedom" or her LA CREATIVIDAD.

She is literally Kiara levels of mememe

>>69036679
I know you weren't around for it young'un but back in the day people like Korone had chats absolutely filled with English commentary, so much that it became a problem.

>>69036732
i think you need to stop reading this website and start reading an english textbook

>>69036738
Well aren't you just the hipster anon. Sorry though, I was there because I do speak moon and I know that 50 people don't account for 5 million+ new viewers

>>69036814
lol suuuuuure

>>69035680
holy fucking nijicope sister, just because nijiEN is dying doesnt mean you need to take it out on us holochads

>>69036559
It's the same guy that keep using Mel's yab as his ammunition to spread his agenda and tried to pull a history revisionism acting like it's a yab that got brushed under the rug when in reality everyone knows the only fault that Hololive have on that is them being incompetent and they even made an apology statement for that

>>69035064
Retard. 90% of people didn't give a shit about her when they got into vtubing.

>>69037871
this nigga on step 3

>>69037927
this nigga has entered step 1

>>69035381
Next you're gonna tell me Scarle is responsible for development of vtubing in Japan because she got good superchat per viewership in Niji EN.

>>69037910
Ah forgot one, this nigga on step 2

>>69038003
Newfag.

>>69038095
this nigga between step 2 and 3

>>69038003
>>69038071
>>69038160
Stop spamming the thread sister.

>>69038233
maybe stop making shit threads then

>>69036679
true. coco was the one who scratched the western mainstream audience with reddit pandering, and then pulled them in. anyone saying fubuki or korone is just trying to fool themselves.
a couple funny clips of fubuki don't mean anything in the grand scheme of things

>>69038681
I subscribed to Korone’s channel after watching clips of her and I had no idea what Hololive even was. Found out about Myth a day after they debuted and started watching. Still had no idea who Coco was until I started to slowly look into more JP members.

>>69039103
Yes anon, I love making up shit too

>>69039256
Finally you've admitted it. Case closed, everyone.

>>69039328
Sorry not sure who you're referring to, but I'm step 2 nigga

>>69039103
>I subscribed to Korone
good for (you), special snowflake.

>>69033600
Lyger predate the dragon

>>69035680
You've been trying to force your meme for an hour

I find the mikofag to be pretty funny. I've seen this exact person make up these same exact excuses in vshojo threads and get ripped a new one every single time.

>>69039409
>Sorry not sure who you're referring to, but I'm step 2 nigga

Good for you? Hope you have fun getting to step 3 or whatever.

>>69039632
holocope

>>69030732
Coco pushed for and recruited Myth.

>>69028750
Haachama is the real reason holoEN became a thing. She killed Coco for taking the credit

the beatings from PPT were the only thing keeping this bitch in check

>>69039674
3rd worlder

>>69039732
shhhh, it was definitely a "manager". definitely not a manager who oversaw it after coco came up with it, it was all the manager.

I like eekum bookum dog and chuuby cat

>>69028110
A has-been is still trying to stay relevant.

>>69040072
sorry this is a kson thread, not a mikeneko thread

>>69028750
Definitely Korone and Miko had as much, if not a bigger impact than Coco.
And in the end, the biggest contributors to the Hololive global scene, was not surprisingly, HoloEN.
I find it funny some people try to tag it on Coco, when an English branch would have emerged naturally even if she never existed.

>>69035468
Ko'one with her Siren streams pulled me in

>>69040132
>Miko
welcome back mikofag

seriously, of all the jp chuubas you can pick to stand on a hill for you pick miko, probably one of the last popular ones

>>69028110
EN vtubing became popular because of her. Doesn't this mean she's the reason for all this shit. If EN vtubing didn't become popular, none of this shit would have happen.

>>69035468
It's hard to tag this to a single chuba, since I don't think most watched a single clip and decided to watch chubas for 5+ years.
But if I had to guess, the biggest contributor was certainly Korone. I would watch entire streams with just basic japanese trying to decipher what she was talking about through my understanding of 1/10 of the words.

>>69040132
I speak for myself, but same thing here.
Korone funny clips and Miko GTA memes pulled me in.
I tuned in to Coco a few times, but her voice felt forced and obnoxious so I never really bothered with EN streams after.

no one would have watched Coco if Miko didn't say the gamer word

>>69035988
Vshojo fans are probably e-thots fans that saw one using an anime avatar on twitch and thought that was what vtubers were all about.

>>69040421
why is it always the esl's that anti vshojo so hard

>>69028110
WHERE IS MY SLOOPY TOPPY, KSON?!

>>69028110
i understand she tweets out of concern but her tweet always sounds pointless. she always just makes a blanket statement to get attention and avoid a conflict. just ignore drama or if she wanna join the anti-copro army, make a clear statement on it.

I'm gonna trigger the unicorns real bad but the reason I fell down the rabbithole was actually homostars, Specifically TriNero/MaFia, Shien and Oga are really chill and despite barely being 3views they still plucking along, Not as bad as Uyu's numbers but still i admire the dedication, I also really enjoy tempus and armis and hope they can benefit from the niji implosion a little, Hakka and Octavio especially have INSANE singing voices and should pump out more music

>>69028110
>people fed my ego in the west but japan isn't doing it wtf
Cry more.
>>69028386
She drank the koolaid. You never drink the koolaid. When her joining vshitshow and getting stuck on twatch removed her relevance all agree could think to do was this.
This board has a problem regarding her, since it basically turned into a coco cult when the chinkout happened, because of losers who thought that liking and saviorfagging her was somehow going to deeply harm pooh, without their actually having to get involved in trying to interfere with pooh. To this day you still get the occasional faggot insisting only zhangs don't worship her. Myself, I felt she didn't deserve the bullshit being slung at her, but found 95%of her content unwatchable - any time j-"chad" wasn't holding the leash she degenerated into being crass and obnoxious in the ways that made me hate being around most of the people I knew in highschool. She helped her coworkers deal with stuff in good ways and I long felt she was succeeding better suited to managing than streaming.
But then she quit and ended up joining shitshow, and nobody is worth watching should they do that. And she's been a bit of a daft shill about it.
>>69029055
You certainly are.
>>69030732
Ding ding ding. We have a winner, particularly about the fans. Most of the big blowouts I remember were fubuki scatman, korone engrish, and various later kizuna ai shenanigans.
>>69035381
You realize a considerable part of cocos numbers came when she quit, right? >>69035598
Meds, faggot.
>>69036148
Korone drew in people with doog and her engrish well before coco brought in mad quantities of plebbitards, kiddo.

>>69040229
We all know that Miko was the runt of Hololive, and I think this was even one of the reasons why people sympathized so much with Miko when exposed to her.

>>69028110
Would you look at that. Miss washed up decided to chime in. Is she losing viewers again?

>>69028110
>Fleshtuber
Off topic

>>69040457
It's because only EOP watch vshojo.

>>69040914
Man this guy is in full on cope mode

>>69040914
You are literally seething about Vshojo and Coco's success in your post, don't project now.
You can cope however you want but even Filian's award show properly recognized her immense legacy.

>>69040914
>>people fed my ego in the west but japan isn't doing it wtf
im not gonna read your post but this is accurate. her mindset might be typical for azns who grew in the west but it only sounds weird to native asians.

>>69028110
i can't fucking stand this retard

>>69028110
This bitch needs an ego check, badly.
The SEGA money and fame made her lose her mind completely.

you island people are in dire need of some reading comprehension skills

Holy fuck this thread is awful, you all should be ashamed of yourselves

I love how people keep samefagging the OP like they're some new person that hates kson, despite the fact the number of posters don't change every time they do it.

Wow she's annoying

>>69028110
People often forget how even normalfags were aware of vtubers prior to Coco.
https://youtu.be/7OjCPGeq6ZU
This video is from 2017, and from what I have seen, they were talking about how this new form of media was getting a lot of traction and if they should adapt to this new change in the youtube scene.
Kizuna Ai was already big in the west before Kson even thought of joining Hololive.

the fact that half the thread is admitting they got into vtubers because someone said nigga is all we really need to know about them.

also
>>69042212
see >>69041638

>>69042212
>Kizuna Ai was already big in the west
this made me belly laugh

>>69030732
I think coco is remembered by hololive as the one who created holoen bc she's one of the few bilingual talents and probably helped with communications between the talents at first.

>>69039429
Special snowflake? This was literally the majority of people Korone and Fubuki reached one mil subs way earlier than Coco did

>>69028110
>where's the fun if I can't just shake my tits on screen with an anime avatar?
>what do you mean I actually have to play games and do zatsus? I wanna shake my tits! This is bullshit!

>>69042289
Kek, what kind of non-argument is this? Yes, I have posted before in this thread. There are 220 posts with 73 IPs, which means people here are doing 3 posts on average.

>>69028386
it's called a woman moment

>>69029614
thanks elira

who cares, she did more to spread the normalfag redditor/twittard pestilence on this industry than the entirety of niji en combined

>>69033600
UMMMM DID YOU KNOW THAT SHE INVENTED VTUBING?????

>>69028110
>la creatividad

>>69042704
When Kson tells us to not trust a CCP shill using muh half-assed suicide attempt that women use for attention as a shield, I trust her. The CCP shill wasn't trying hard enough, should have jumped in front of a train if she was serious.

El kojimbo de los youtubers virtuales...

>>69042496
there's actually retarded people that think like this anon in the world

>>69043208
someone missed the joke lol. Sorry do I need to put quotations around it so your autist brain can see the sarcasm?

>>69043257
someone thinks he told a joke

sorry anon, jokes are funny and have punchlines

>>69043257
Theres no joke in your post and you type like a woman.

>>69040914
>stuck on twatch
Wow, you know literally nothing.

>>69043305
i think you're just to autistic to understand what being coy is.

>>69043552
and you type like a killjoy faggot

Kacey is like Katy Perry or other celeb whose glory days are years in the past. Yeah you were cool in like 2009 but you're someone's mom now, Katy. Kson is the same, but maybe worse since she acts like stuff she did 4 years ago are relevant to the now.

>>69043840
yeah except literally every other vtuber respects her. so i mean, deal with it?

>>69028386
DON'T FUCKING LIE ZHANG
I WAS THERE WHEN SHE BECAME THE GEN 0 EN CHUBA

>>69043840
she should do relevant and hip things like having sex with fans for money instead of appearing in a AAA videogame

>>69044108
malding holofag detected

>trying to leverage 4chan racism against doki

Sorry niggers but we hate black company slave masters and egotistical power tripping cunts far more than bug people

>>69030104
NIGGA DO YOU HAVE CCP AFFILIATIONS?

>>69044211
>we

>>69043923
>she's respect
Respect doesn't pay the bills sweetie, no one cares about kshit anymore.

>>69028110
>Comparing Doki to Koochson

>>69031435
only 1 thousand lol, and 2 if she's showing ass or lesbian kissing

>>69030322
>DO YOUR JOB

You sound like a waggie
get your tongue out of corpos ass

>>69044309
I'm pretty sure she could afford to buy your family

>>69044277
Notice the entire board lined up behind a fat chink to slay your vile slave company? Begone.

>>69043923
Others respected her more as Coco than they did as Kson. Like it is cool that she go into "like a dragon seried" as kson but she got that role because of what she did as Kiryu Coco. Even Koyori got better views than kson whilest streaming at the same time even though Kson is literally in the game. And a large part that do play the "like a dragon" series, simply wont care or wont recognize her as kson because she is simply not known enough for that.

>>69044211
>we

You know the CCP is a black company disguised as a political party right?

>>69044409
>Others respected her more as Coco than they did as Kson.
This is the dumbest thing I've read in this thread, and that means a lot

>>69030474
You have to be delusional to think that way
What normies knew of hololive, was basically only Kiryu CoCo

>says no revenge it's really bad
>her face when the company is the one that wants revenge
this is the 'wow I thought i was getting cheated at 50%' all over again
she has no idea how black it gets

>>69044567
english?

>>69044493
I don't think you remember people watching the funny dog play old games

>>69044761
I'm sorry your mtl doesn't work for chanspeak zhangsister

>>69044823
I don't think you're remembering correctly. I saw people watching clips, I didn't see people watching dog. Especially not the 100k+ people you see watching now.

>>69044493
Lmao normies were into Korone Fubuki and the Rabbit hell of a lot more than Coco.

>>69044480
Proof me wrong then? You know it's the truth. Everybody always keeps talking about the legendary dragon, her legendary meme review streams and her return but bare people talk about the delinquent. The fame reflects it, the numbers reflect it, the money reflects it. But if you think i'm wrong, proof it then.

>>69044480
No, that's true. Coco was an inspiration to many.
Kson is just a washed up celebrity that still thinks she is at the top of her game.

>>69044936
>proof me wrong
you already proofed everything i needed to proof anon. maybe go back to your english lessons

>>69044956
nijiseethe

>>69044409
>a large part that do play the "like a dragon" series, simply wont care or wont recognize her as kson because she is simply not known enough for that.
There's also a bigger problem with the last two games having their own Treehouse episode, with the localization being outright disrespectful to their JP counterparts, for anyone else to care about who's this special woman you get to know through side-quests.

>>69031583
Tenma, that hag is based as fuck even though she is a phasewhore.

>>69033505
That was around the time the fubuki video popped off. In the run up to the collab people where worried no one would even know what hololive was in the west

>>69045061
Nijiseethe doesn't mean what you think it means.

>>69045271
nijiseethe

>>69036785
>>69040457
>>69044761
>>69045014
Ah yes, the classic "personal attacks on someone's languege when you have no counter argument" deflection. Your spell only works so many times anon.

I want to hate coco for these outbursts but it would make my Oshi sad. Even if she is a retard she still means well

>>69045326
no need for counter arguments when you have no arguments

>>69028110
Man, I Love Kson.

Weebs seething that Alabama > Japan

>>69044388
go back to wherever you learned about famous 4chan hacker from

>>69045120
The only good one our of that pile of horse shit.
Hell, maybe even one the few redeemable chuubas out of the whole western scene.

>>69045321
that's all they got lol

>>69045326
this nigga actually thinks people respect a persona and not the person behind the persona

>>69045384
So you admit to not having any argument?

>>69044409
>Start talking about numbers out of nowhere.
Why don't you go back to your contention thread, brown faggot?

>>69045378
People are calling the post an outburst or a meltdown but... I don't know, seems pretty reasonable? Where's the lie? Is it because she used too many question marks kek.

>>69045554
its kinda hard to argue against retarded baseless monkey fanfiction with anything other than "no, that didn't happen" or "no that's not the case"
you chimps never provide a source for anything when asked for it anyway and just go "UUUUH YEAH IT DID, EVERYBODY KNOWS THIS"

>>69040914
>But then she quit and ended up joining shitshow, and nobody is worth watching should they do that
Apparently tens of thousands disagree with you given the combined audiences they have.

>>69043567
NTA but isn't that part of VShojo's contract that you can't stream on YouTube because you won't get a Twitch membership or something?

>>69044108
What are you talking about? Take your medication.

>>69046162
kson streams on youtube though? Twitch is just more e-thot friendly

>>69046162
kson is starting a youtube stream literally right this minute
stop reading retarded /#/chimp babble

>>69046249
>less than 1k viewers
pottery

>>69046162
there's nothing of the sort, it's just most of them do twitch

>>6904653
>seething about kson
>a fucking monkey
It's like ceramic

>>69046536
>already has gotten over 2000 usd in superchats
>only 7 minutes in

k

>>69046831
sunk cost fallacy, we all know that. That's why she releases so much merch, her gachikois will buy anything

>>69046984
>sunk cost fallacy
you don't even know what this means

>>69035468
I started with Pekora, who was fun to watch playing games even though my Japanese was very limited.

Later, I heard about Coco and how she was an English speaker, but every time I tried to watch a stream it was always a Japanese zatsu and gave up watching her.

If anything, the way Coco streamed made me think she only cared about her JP fans and her "being a bridge" or "paving the way for the West" would be the last things I'd attribute to her.

>>69042365
Holy shit retard chama

>>69042752
The Apple of vtubing.

>>69045625
I think its the moralizing tone. she mostly means death threats, doxing, bullying. Due to lack of specifics though people interpret it as demanding all chuubas to be love bombed like reddit circa 2020 and she gets told to fuck off

>>69047189
>a few articles and a news segment about kizuna ai in the west = THE BIGGEST AND MOST INFLUENTIAL EVERYONE IN THE WEST WATCHES

k

Artia should tried harder, she let us all down

LMAO
SEAprimates get absolutely mad when their b0is are under fire
GSH

>>69047054
These samefag posts are getting less and less creative

>>69047281
>no no no sister we don't like the hecking tone your tweet has

>>69045545
>>69045682
>"told I'm the most responsible for EN Vtubing scene"
What did she do for the EN Vtubing scene as Kson specifically? She created this "bridge to the west" legacy as Coco, not as Kson but she remains reliant Coco. Kson took a new fanbase name, new approach to things and did different things, including for example chaturbate stream with Mel and fleshstreams. I'm glad for her thats she happy. But you have to acknowledge that while yes, it is the same person, people still have different views about it the two personas. That's why part of the fanbase abandoned her but when receipts are show, you react with "ahhh scary numberboogieman" or "nah, that's fake Phasefag". Coco's legacy is intertwined with Kson's legacy but they are not the identical. If she were to quit all-together, people would remember her more through the things she did as Coco than the things she did as Kson

>>69047425
just an honest answer to why people are reacting negative. No need to be so sensitive

>>69028110
How much does your dignity cost Pajeet, or did you throw it away for free?

>>69047533
>She created this "bridge to the west" legacy
you need to just stop here. no one in the west recognizes her as a persona, the only recognize her as a person. it doesn't matter which persona it happened with, literally no one gives af in the west. it's bed time eastey

>>69035170
Tell me you’re reddit subhuman trash.
Coco was 3 or 4 month i to her career when EN auditions had already opened. Cover had decided on an EN branch before they even hired Coco herself.

>>69042365
70% of Kizuna Ai's audience was overseas.

>>69047533
threadreader

>>69035468
Disregarding Kizuna AI, my first was THE original EN Holomem, Akai Haato.

>>69047786
>literally no one gives af in the west
You're literally arguing with someone who does. Go back to special needs school you subhuman. You don't even speak English.

>>69047826
>source doesn't exist

>>69047822
i can make up facts too anon. did you know that purple dye comes from snail poop?

>>69029257
>whore claims she is the reason ENvtubers are popular
>whore isnt popular herself
Unless you want to make the argument that she made everyone else popular by being absolutely atrocious herself, pushing away potential viewers to the competition, numbers are a very real factor in the point that is discussed. The truth in this case is a popularity contest - and she is losing it.
Now seethe and cope LMAO
>inb4 noooo you are coping and seething
I dont care either way. Im here for the spectacle of seeing normies seeing their oshi shat on. Yamattekudastop am i right fellow redditors? LMAO

>>69047533
Coco did more to burn the "bridge to the west" then to build it.

>>69035598
Popular anything isn’t validity, sheep.

>>69047533
>including for example chaturbate stream with Mel
I am still shaking from that stream where they looked at memes and one was a gif of anime boobs

>>69047893
Stop pretending you're not from Manila

>>69030732
Very much this, it was already happening. The only thing kson/coco brought to vtubing is cringe from the western streaming platforms.

>>69047330
Go to her earliest videos and look at her comments.

>>69028750
>Pikamee and Coco combined were probably like less than 10% of the factor for vtubers taking off post-Myth.
Lies. There were four majot vtubers who spoke English pre myth. Pika,coco, Hana maachia and to a lesser extent Haachama.
Pikame was one of the main reasons EOPs fell into the rabbit hole many of whom became myth fans.
You're comparing clip watching with subtitles to full on English streams. Nobody gave a fuck about elevanese streams most were boring outside of Clips especially Korone ones.

>>69047894
You failed your reps, newfag. HoloEN auditions started about 4 months after Coco’s debut. Corpos take years to make moves into new markets. Even if Coco was in charge with final say, they don’t move that fast.

This thread

>wazup beijing

>>69040229
You should use your hand to calm your Miko hate boner faggot. No one is slandering elite migo here in vt excepts braindead faggots like you

>>69040914
>You realize a considerable part of cocos numbers came when she quit, right?
Retard. She was well ahead of Rushia until China yab. The only reason Rushia got ahead of Coco was because Cover suspended Coco and stopped her from streaming for months. Coco was the superchat queen regardless of any drama. Many Holos were feeling inadequate because they were comparing themselves to massive success that Coco was.
That said, it is true Coco's success was largely Japanese and she wasn't the main factor for attracting EN audience. She might have been the main factor for pushing Holo EN but global audience discovered Hololive regardless of her.

>>69048060
>source still not provided

thread hit reply cap so you better hurry up anon

>>69048129
Reps. Now.

>>69042365
>>69047894
Retarded newfag. Kill yourself ksonslurper. Majority of Kizuna AI's viewers were gaijins.
t. been watching her since first month

>>69047954
Subhuman is seething. Were you a result of inbreeding?

>>69047893
The crippling autism that you have isn't something that the entire western vtuber fanbase shares. Most of them are aware that the person behind the vtuber is what makes the vtuber, not the drawing that a corporation commissioned.

>>69047786
>it's bed time eastey
It's noon but i guess you have some internalized self-hatred.

>>69048209
I'd say you were but I know china has a one child policy so it's not that likely

>>69048060
This. Kson discussed it specifically but a lot of others who auditioned talked about doing so a few months after Coco debuted. Some have said she was an inspiration, in fact. But yeah she had no say in opening overseas branches obviously and it would have been in the works long beforehand. Common knowledge really.

>>69048246
Sounds to me like you're just butthurt about being late to the party and are now inventing schizoid copes.
>people who discovered Hololive before me don't exist lalalalalala

>>69048155
>doesn't have source so resorts to spamming reps

>>69033505
I want a rerun of this collab. The world of warship collab reruns suck because world of warships sucks

>>69048253
Your argument is literally "other vtubers respect coco, but not the person behind coco". You can't fool me moon man.

ksonfags are truly the most pathetic subhumans
sasuga fanbase of has-been whore, desperately clinging to gone relevance, ignoring present and manipulating the past

>>69048381
>numbermonkeys are truly the most pathetic subhumans
fixed it for you

>>69048246
Most of people dropped Coco when she stopped being Coco you retard. Majority of people don'tgive a shit about kson. They respect Coco's legacy but have no interest in kson

>>69048309
What does this have to do with my post?

>>69048425
Numberfags know the numbers, the facts, the absolute truth that kson is now irrelevant.

>>69048453
This is literally chink autism mentality.

This is why no matter what Niji drama may develop these days or worsen it will never match Kson one.
To this day it still makes zhangs seethe on this board. They are so good at subversion they even nearly succeeded at turning holofans on her.
One person beat a whole country.

>>69048496
If she's so irrelevant why are you here and seething about her, you retarded numbermonkey?

Coco western audience were the Japan hating anti "idol culture" folk. Back then, all vtubing was for the west was Hololive and even back then, their were tons of troglodyte who would shut up about how bad "idol culture" is and how bad Japanese fans are. That's why they say Coco's better then everyone, because they're just projecting their own beliefs about themselves onto her. That's why they to to diminish ever other Hololive members accomplishments, because they hate what Hololive is. That's why they left her, because the market for non Hololive vtubers grew.

>>69048591
Nice fanfic.

>>69048591
Ogey rrat

Anycolor job reviews
>Mostly neutral 3 average

Cover corp job reviews
>Mostly negative less than 2 stars

Hololive good

>>69048453
I was talking about western fans, not "people".

>>69048629
>>69048735
koefficient

>>69049491
>Sample size: 1

>>69048367
Literally thousands looking at the CCV but if that answer is given you'll reply "numbermonkey" because you are like a looping cassette tape