/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

amber (her dog) heard you like to suck men's cocks in public bathrooms

>>68985072
I think Nijisanji are the ones shitting the bed in this situation though.

>>68985072
She didn't shit on my bed

>>68985072
She tried to end the situation peacefully and niji rejected.
Honnestly RN the amber heard 2.0 is kurosanji if you think about it. Won the first time with Zaion because everyone is a retard, but the second coming isn't looking as good as the first.

>>68985072
She's an anime girl, anon. They're not real.

because she's the Johnny Depp

>>68985072
niji keeps running themselves over, all shes done is say "thing happened" and never mentioned names or company. niji keeps mentioning names and saying what they have done.

>>68985072
Doki is Johnny Depp in this equation and Nijisanji is Amber Heard

>>68985072
Nijisanji is the one shitting in the bed,retardchama

>>68985072
She didn't shit on riku's bed

>>68985072
She's an anime girl so simps and incels are more likely to believe her than a real woman with the exact same circumstances.

>>68985072
go fuck yourself millie

>>68985072
Your pagpag is ready

>>68985072
All reasonable doubt of that scenario went out the window after yesterday

>>68985972
Did dokibird shit on rikus bed?

>>68985072
>Repeatedly tried to peacefully end situation with favorable compromises towards her alledged abusers
>allgeded abusers contsantly running around claiming they're the real victims, not the depressed suicidal person
There is not a drop of proof that doki is heard in this scenario.
In fact if anyone is likely to be amber heard it's elira. all that crying about doxxing from a legal document yesterday was pathetic and fake as hell and she was a drama whore in her PL, just like how heard was a abuser in her past relationships.
The biggest telltale sign though is that like how johnny depp had numerous people coming out and saying abuse was not in his character we have numerous outside people saying that doki was fucked over.

>>68985580
The reason is explicitly because Doki now has to take all these cunts to court in the defamation case, niji is holding them all hostage like "haha you think you can get a settlement from us well what if we just hold the entire fucking branch hostage what now bitch". So this whole thing is kind of like amber heard in the sense it'll become a huge court case even oyur 60yo mom might hear about.

>>68985072
She didn't make any statements alluding to specific people. Unfortunately, the people felt left out, so they named themselves.

>>68985072
It's two Amber Heards fighting each other, but corpo Amber ultimately has by far more blame and foul play than indie Amber.

>>68986119
None of Kuro, Pomu, and Matara have come to Doki’s defense and they have no incentive to defend nijisanji. Kuro especially loves shitting in Niji any chance he can get, and yet he’s been silent on the whole situation.

>>68985072
Okay, she’s right, just like Heard was.

>>68986119
You fucks really spun the narrative to be exactly the opposite of what happened

>Repeatedly tried to peacefully end situation with favorable compromises towards her alledged abusers
She sent them a legal document the second she got out of the hospital threatening to sue for harassment. When she got terminated, she went "THESE CHAINS CAN'T HOLD ME, I'M THE BIRD WHO SINGS" then threatened to go public with the document multiple times. That isn't peacefully
>allgeded abusers contsantly running around claiming they're the real victims, not the depressed suicidal person
They actually did the opposite, believe it or not. From their perspective, after Selen through Niji under the bus, a bunch of livers independently asked her what was her motive and if she's doing ok which she took as targeted harassment caused by management siccing the dogs on her
>all that crying about doxxing from a legal document
Legal documents hold personally information and tend to go public. Doki directly said she'd make them public. I don't see how it's unreasonable to be concerned about the personal information going public

The Japanese Nijifans think she's lying and are trying to tell foreigners to shut the fuck up.

>>68986745
>and yet he’s been silent on the whole situation.
Okay so? Did it ever occur to you that he just doesn't want to get involved?

>>68987219
Tell them to stop appropriating Canadian culture.

She promised more evidence and receipts, but she hasn't delivered anything.

>>68986745
I mean, the only thing we know for sure as outsiders is that she was fired for rule violations, some kind of conflict happened with management or livers or both, then there was a suicide attempt. It's a pretty bad idea to take sides at the moment on some of the particulars. You could say that the public Niji statements were callous and didn't appreciate what Selen brought to the company, but I think Tazumi apologizing for that last night made a difference as far as at least acknowledging the giant mistake that was.

>>68987219
Yeah because "it's just like meiro" even though Doki hasn't done shit to them compared to the shit they keep doing to themselves.
Also considering Roa is still fucking gone and they got BTFO'd trying to get the cops to go after Narukami I'm wondering how much of that was a lie, too

>>68985072
The real amber heard is currently still in Nijisanji, since they are the ones shitting the bed.

>>68986915
NDF tards really have given up huh, Do they even pay you or is the privilege of sucking riku's cock all the incentive you retards need

>>68985072
I think she's the Johnny Depp in this situation

>>68985072
The only similarity is that she also has BPD. Still doesn't make kurosanji any less black.

>repost
>1. What is this for a paper Doki sent, and who may see it.
For the absolute bare minimums of a case, she has to prove
>A - There is a problem
>B - She was the wronged party
>C - The accused party has responsibility for the problem
>D - The accused party has not properly executed on their responsibility for the problem
The document she sent would have either been a last-ditch notification to Niji "hey we're about to sue if you don't fix this", or a notification that she IS suing with instructions on what the case contains thus far and other legal details.

>2.Are Elira, Ennna and Millie allowed to see the documents, since they are about to get sued
No. If they were being sued directly, they would get their own papers that they ARE entitled to see.
I can't stress enough that NOBODY is allowed to see those documents at this stage, or even know they exist, other than Doki, her legal representation, and Anycolor's legal representation. Disclosing medical records without permission of the patient is a jailable offense in Canada PHIPA and an offense in Japan PIPA article 23(1) subject to up to 100m Yen in fines (and your company gets put on a list of violators, similar to the sex offender list Burgers have).

>3. Why add medical papers to the document, if you do not want other people to see it? I thought pipac would be waived if you use this information to sue someone.
She is required to prove that she was in the hospital, and for what reasons she was in the hospital, if she wants to show evidence of damages. However, she is not waiving her rights, but exercising her rights. PHIPA and PIPA both allow the person to disclose directly to a party without waiving rights, and this includes relevant legal representation. So basically
>Doki disclosed her medical records to her lawyer
>Doki disclosed her medical records to Anycolor's legal team.
>Anycolor's legal team decided to disclose it to the livers because ?????????????????????
That last one is a crime!
Hope this helps!

>we're still at the "she's faking it" stage
I can relate

>>68987251
I’m saying that there is no downside to backing Doki right now with the current public sentiment while there absolutely IS a downside to backing with Niji. Thus their silence on the matter at least casts some suspicion on Doki’s virtue in this fight.

>>68985072
Nijisanji are the ones who shit the bed

the only ones shitting the bed are Niji, who keep trying to escalate things for no reason
it's clear they're scared of something

>>68985072

>>68986745
>matara
is part of the clique. more over taking sides right now potentially involves vshojo in this shitshow and she has shown repeatedly that unlike nijien she understands how to politic and manage pr firestorms.
her silence means nothing as she has multiple reasons to say nothing.
>kuro
same as above he is part of vshojo and has probably been advised to do absolutely nothing. on top of that he left the company to get away from this shitty drama, he's not going to put a target on his back.
>pomu
is chummy with elira above all else and has been since before kurosanji. she was always going to back elira over selen if the two ever went to war with each other because elira is and always was where her loyalties lay.
in summation their silence means less than nothing when trying to determine the veracity of doki's claims.

>>68988167
As a rule, I only take suicide attempts seriously if they’re successful.

>>68986745
Maybe their real names are on court list of harassers too lmao.

>>68985072
>Amber Heard
I've no idea who that is but that's probably a good thing

>>68988664
Didn't think of that...but just no way.

>>68988484
Bit weird that nobody who actually worked along side Selen in any real capacity besides people she contracted have come out to defend her.

>>68985072
What crack is OP smoking

>>68987901
Nice BL fanfiction, ex sister. Glad to know you're still being braindead even without watching Niji anymore

>>68985072
In the worst case, they are both equally bad. But one is at worst, a problematic woman employee, and the other is a company. A company with years in the business should know how to handle PR.

>>68985072
Found your talking point, huh, Elira? The difference is that dokibird didn't say shit about you idiots and tried to quit quietly, then tried to be fired quietly, then you put out multiple announcements about how you didn't bully her when she never publicly accused you of doing anything at all. I hope you've been saving that 2% because you're gonna need it for your lawyer.

>>68988484
>is part of the clique.
extreme retard post, she graduated specifically because she was the only member of ethyria who wasn't part of elira's clique and they all excluded the shit out of her. she wants to stay out of this because there's no good reason to get involved.

>>68988484
Not even Mumei is talking about this openly and we know she's friends with dokibird. Company management is probably saying 'do not talk about this' because they don't want to risk a defamation suit. And I don't blame them for that, anycolor is looking squirrely as fuck right now.

>>68986915
This attempt on history revisionism is pretty funny ngl
Meanwhile in reality, doki made one post after termination, never gave a single name, and moved on for a whole week, while Niji kept shitting the bed and self exposing, until this week when they actually forced her to bring the documents
ONE WEEK anon, one whole week

>>68988007
>Disclosing medical records without permission of the patient is a jailable offense

https://twitter.com/dokibird/status/1757240066265506027

>>68985072
Time will tell.
Nijisanjis PR is retarded though.

>>68988484
>>68986745
what is their stake in this, they have nothing to gain from office work drama that they themselves have already commented on

inb4
>b-but they got to choose a side to defend doki

doki doesnt need defending she is literally doing nothing but lawyering up just in case shit does hit the fan and in this case.

elira and co saw the shit was getting flushed down the toilet but still chased after said turd picked it up from the toilet then threw the fan that was on ceiling
>LOOOK AT WHAT YOU MADE ME DO THIS IS ALL YOUR FAULT
>THE FAULT LIES WITH YOU SELEN

>>68988007
Damn, that PIPA is a lifesaver
pic unrelated

>>68989429
She already brought the documents otherwise Niji wouldn't have them. Are you alright in the head?

>>68990076
And what she did with it?
Did she go forward with it?
No she didn't. We weren't even aware these documents existed before Niji self exposed in a hilarious manner.

>>68986209

If her lawyers/manager are smart they'll convince her to let yesterday slide because she came out of that shit show on top. Then have them send a cease and desist letter. Then hopefully the drama dies.

Who am I kidding. Niji would flip at some lowly talent telling them what to do and would probably dox her.

>>68986915
>"You fucks really spun the narrative to be exactly the opposite of what happened"
>proceeds to spin the narrative to be exactly the opposite of what happened

Ironic

>>68989007
NIJISEETHE
NIJIDEFLECT
NIJICOPE
NIJIAIEEEEE

>People pointing fingers at Pomu
REMINDER:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpAIgtdOBxk

Pomu likely can't say anything without risking liability due to her NDA. She's likely barred from shittalking the company under threat of lawsuit. The fact that she quit after the management drover her to tears, and she unprivated the video in which that happened just before she left (which they privated again), means she is definitely not on management's side. She might be worried for Elira, but she knows the company is utter shit.

>>68990076

You retard

>>68989420
>Not even Mumei is talking about this
And why would she?

>>68991434
Fairly well backed rrat is that part of Mumei's vacation revolved around visiting Dokibird after her attempt... Which apparently included watching Twilight together, parsing between the PL accounts.

But yeah, I doubt Mumei is allowed to comment on the situation at all, though they at least let her make a few comments on her PL. Sadly they also will probably never be allowed to collab.

>>68991200
watching this is kinda sad desu
they are laughing and having a good time together in the video
but now it makes me wonder if it was ever even real
it makes me doubt if any of the vtubers who are signed with corpos are actually happy or if they are just faking it cause they can express anything genuine as it would violate contract
honestly makes me consider to start watching indie instead as maybe they are more likely real since they are not pressured by management or any larger employer

>>68990076
Her lawyer gave the documents to Niji legal, where they could have stayed confidential and this could have been the end of it. But for some insane reason Niji decided to pass the documents on to livers and then have them go on stream talking about it. Doki made a single post where she alluded to bullying/toxic workplace and was completely unspecific about it. EVERY OTHER PIECE ON INFO/DRAMA HAS COME FROM NIJISANJI.

>>68991927
It's difficult to fake that kind of happiness for hours at a time, but I hear ya. In Niji's case we can't even be sure if the talents tweets are their own.

>>68985072
OP I think you used the wrong pic, I'll fix it

>>68992117
the only explaination is that nijiEN management is literally ran by elira and her clique

no sane manager will set themselves up to be this retarded in breaking confidentiality rules specially when they themselves are such stickler for permissions

>>68991200
>Pomu likely can't say anything without risking liability due to her NDA.
This is most likely the case. During her twitter space yesterday, she talked about her favorite vtubers, and mentioned there is 1 male vtuber she sometimes watches who plays Metal Gear. Longtime Pomu viewers know that is Belmond, and everyone likes Belmond, but she still wouldn't say his name. Obviously there's some sort of NDA keeping her from mentioning Nijisanji in any way.

>>68987219
The Japanese tend to be awful judges of character. Maybe if their entire culture didn't revolve around telling people to grin and bear it, the west would take them more seriously.

>>68993148
You can still elude to nijisanji without breaking NDA so long as you don’t explicitly name the company or its talents. Other ex-nijis do it all the time.

>>68994373
Alluding to "hey I like watching this one vtuber", they probably wouldn't care about.
Alluding to "hey I worked somewhere where some bad shit went down" would probably get them after her.

>>68985165
fpbp

>>68987219
Japanese are cucks that will side with their corporate overlords no matter what, their opinion doesn’t mean anything.

t. the OP of this thread

>>68994578
Nope, kuro shits on Niji all the time without explicitly mentioning them. But at any rate, they’re definitely not forbidden from collabing with other ex-talents. If Pomu, Matara, or Kuro collabed with Doki, it would be an easy way to show support without breaking NDA.

>>68985381
Zaion lost because she was too new and had very few people behind her.
Doki on the other hand was a beloved member of NijiEN for a long time, had a bit of a history prior to joining, was shown to have multiple public efforts at engagement and community bolstering destroyed by management, and last but not least had her stint in the hospital with the suicide attempt.
Those are all things people can rally behind and with her importance to the NijiEN community, it was a lot easier for people to understand and be willing to turncoat. Zaion's firing aided Doki because it gave more credibility to some of her claims because you start to see a pattern as well.

>>68994958
Kuro's been out of Niji for a while now (and was out of Niji for a month before appearing in Vshojo). Hasn't been a month for Pomu yet, she's still waiting on her final paycheck and box of fan letters.

>>68985072
Here is your proof anon
https://files.catbox.moe/b4nqie.mp3

>>68995657
Kuro shit on Niji the moment he left lol.

>>68992117
The livers are directly involved, why the fuck would they not get to read the document. Doki made multiple statements regarding her "freedom" and how she would speak the truth. She essentially made a slightly more vague statement than Niji proving it wouldn't have mattered if Niji didn't post that statement. Now Doki is crying illegal publicly and for some reason, people aren't calling her retarded for publicly stated what is and what isn't in the document. Things like her medical documents

>>68998703
They need to pay you SEAMonkey NDF Fags for the amount of effort you put in to your retardation

>>68995786
This is too comical to fap to.

>>68995786
This better become the next Mori/horse meme

>>68985072
>Convince me she’s not Amber Heard 2.0

Sexy?

>>68998703
>The livers are directly involved, why the fuck would they not get to read the document.
See >>68957198
>2.Are Elira, Ennna and Millie allowed to see the documents, since they are about to get sued
No. If they were being sued directly, they would get their own papers that they ARE entitled to see.
I can't stress enough that NOBODY is allowed to see those documents at this stage, or even know they exist, other than Doki, her legal representation, and Anycolor's legal representation.

>>68995786
kek

>>68985072
>Convince me she’s not Amber Heard 2.0
One made public accusations against a person and filed for divorce without pursuing criminal charges.
One made public accusations against a company and filed legal proceedings against the company for those accusations; Every effort was made to avoid public accusations against any particular person.
It's not even a comparison worth entertaining.

>>68985072
CAN HER TITS GET BIGGER?

>>69006423
Different law thread says parties being directly mentioned are able to have the information if it's a risk to their safety as well as to de-identify information or if they're likely to be involved in the lawsuit

They're perfectly within their right to know if they're involved in a lawsuit. What broke ass country do you live where it's legal to hide the fact that you're accusing someone in a lawsuit?

>>68994647
so true
anyway long live hololive

>>68991927
I find it very hard to believe they weren't great friends, their chemistry was way too good, they even got themed outfits with one another.

>>68991200
I get that this is a pressing matter, but considering she's in Japan, and this has already been escalated to lawyers being involved. Speaking out right now might get her looped into a potential countersuit from Niji alleging defamation at some point, and I imagine the last thing she wants to do during vacation is to get legal counsel and get involved in a lawsuit.

>>69007824
So let's say they're allowed to see the documents.
WTF are they doing releasing details about the documents publicly in a clearly organized by management hitpiece and implying that information in legal documents constitutes doxxing?

>>68985072
Pardon If I recall Doki failed her suicide attempt so here we are debating like the House of Representatives or Parliament aha aha aha aha I’m going back to lurk.

>>68985176
I liked your joke and you got it in fastest

>>68985072
Well for one she never mentioned anyone specifically bullying her even vaguely and wanted to move on. In this situation Niji is Amber Heard if people outright laughed in her face initially

>>68990296
I'm not even sure what you're arguing by saying this, but that's not true, Doki talked about them first

>>69011761
Link a video or stream when she talked about them before they put out some BS statement about her. That hasn't happened once.

>>68985072
A megapint?

Because Scarle

>>69010743
NijiEn's reputation is in the shitter and people are accusing them of harassing and bullying Selen. This wasn't just said by Niji but also by Doki. Doki also was parading around online talking about how she'll not be silenced and speak on everything. Doki later on in her stream talked about how shit Nijisanji is and that they bothered her emergency contact while she was in the hospital. This makes Niji's reputation worse. Later on she is saying she'd make things public.

A court document being made public exposes sensitive information of the people involved. Whatever terminology you want to use, Doki is still essentially holding the sword of Damocles over the head of everyone in Niji by constantly saying she will reveal everything then backing down then saying she'll reveal everything again

>>68985176
KEK

>>68986809
LOL
LMAO even

>>68985072
Doki is Depp though. Amber was an evil, abusive cunt that was EXPOSED to the world for her awful actions. Sounds more like Niji than Doki.

>>68985072
She's actually the Punished Venom Snake

>>68987613
HORI BASEDO

>>68985165
Doki Amber Doge approb

>>68985072