/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>68959733
Why do we know it her?

it's negligible.

>>68959733

Release the unredacted Nixon tapes!

>>68959733
I don't know. Did those vtubers say something like 'I plan to rob a bank at some point in the future'?

>>68959733
people should in general act as if they're always being recorded. your phone is recording you right now

>>68959733
It's part of the bullying accusations. Doki can turn it as part of her self-defense given she was pushed to almost getting an heroed

>>68959733
only those that bullied her

>>68959733
I hope the recording is leaked.

>According to the Criminal Code of Canada, you can record a phone call as long as at least one person in the conversation is aware that the recording is taking place. This is known as “one-party notification.” This means that the person doing the recording has to be taking part in the conversation.

It's over.

>>68959733
>shouldn't it be cause for concern for every vtuber she's had a private conversation with that she may have recorded it?
Only if they have something to hide.

>>68960042
mogogo hungy

>>68959959
The sheer irony is that Vox wasn't even being accused of bullying, he was just brought up as an example of preferential treatment by management because of Luxiem's tweets about the AR Live being "indefinitely postponed".

>>68960061
So then the government should also be able to record your conversations then, right?
>inb4 they already do
And they should keep doing it no? Just dont have anything to hide bro

>>68960012
if the lawsuit pushes through, we could get transcripts from the filings.

>>68959733
Most of North America has single party consent for recording private conversations. Deal with this information however you'd like.

Nigger what country are you from?
Do you also complain about the government wiretapping all your communication devices to protect against muh terrorism too or are you just picking and choosing?

>>68959733
cope

>>68959733
Is "every vtuber she's had a private conversation with" also a known sex pest who has a history of throwing his "friends" under the bus at the first given chance?

>>68959959
It's not part of the bullying accusations. She recorded him several months before any of this happened all to try and prove that he was receiving favoritism over her. Say what you want, what she did is inexcusable (though that certainly wont stop anons from trying I'm sure)

>>68960228
>whataboutism
even if it sounds reasonable in your niji-addled brain, you will never convince anyone that a citizen is the same thing as a corp or a nation state

>>68959733
>choosing to believe the menhera over the professional company

>>68960042
So if you are not aware of your own actions it becomes illegal and you get punished?

>>68960228
Unironically what's the call for concern?

What do you say in private that you wouldn't want to come out in court proceedings? I mostly just talk peoples ears off about Star Wars. What are you guys saying in private you wouldn't say in public?

>>68960381
How is that inexcusable?

>>68959733
No, why?
It explains itself she only did a recording to have evidence of shit behaviour.
Perfectly justifiable.

>>68959733
The NijiEN statement made clear it was just Vox which basically implies he was abusive of her and probably other co-workers for a year.

>>68959916
This. The more sensitive an issue is, the more careful you should be while talking about it

>>68960425
>Professional

>>68960398
You're defending someone covertly recording their friend all to prove a point. Get your moral compass checked.

That's some desperate grasp at straws, sister, do better

>>68960381
she didn't do anything wrong, and the more you try to gaslight, the more people will despise you

>>68960425
Do tell what has been at all professional about Niji-En's handling of this situation.

>>68960228
Sure. I don't give a fuck. If it helps to put bullies, pedophile groomers and other scum away, big brother can listen my nasty secrets and sex kinks all he wants.

>>68959733
Concern for what? Surely you're not pretending to be a decent human being only for public eyes?

>>68959733
>recorded Vox
Good, I'd rather have proof than endless he said she said. If he didn't do anything wrong he has nothing to be afraid of

>>68960425
>professional company
actually laughed irl, you sisters are alright sometimes

>>68960228
>So then the government should also be able to record your conversations then, right?
SELEN ISN'T THE GOVERNMENT NIGGA, WHY DO PEOPLE THINK THIS ARGUMENT MAKES SENSE???????

Do you think DashCams should be outlawed, too? As a private citizen you have the freedom to document other people's interactions with you, especially negative ones. The alternative is literally "he said, she said" nonsense

>>68959733
Nijisanji en has an east germany feel to it, i bet selen isn't the only one gathering receipts

>>68960500
I'm defending someone who protected themselves in the most harmless way possible. You are ignoring everything about this issue that exists outside of selen, and fixating on a fake narrative, out of a false sense of morality.

>>68960609
The concept of proof was invented by woke moralists.

>>68959733
Not really considering even Vox stated the purpose, which was to gather proof that Nijisanji's management was purposefully favoring Luxiem over other members of NijiEN.

>>68959733
I mean, that's why you don't brag about your crimes on fucking discord. Assume everything you say on a call to be recorded.

if you hypothetically had a friend, who then secretly recorded you and used it against you, you wouldn't be defending them. for WORK it is more acceptable and you could make the argument that vox misread the situation thinking selen was his friend

>>68960472
It could also just mean he was saying shit the bullies were doing and/or how incompetent management is with unrelated drama.

>>68960447
>>68960609
>"What's concerning about you having a private chat with your friend who secretly records you and sits on it for months until there's a fallout with the company and they use it against you?"
It's like a mass hysteria with you people. At this point you've pretty much thrown away any moral code just to stick it to someone. You can support doki and also still admit what she did was a shitty thing. Absolutely insane how quickly the world upends itself when its convenient

>>68960381
>to try and prove that he was receiving favoritism over her
But he was, as do all of the Nijimales. So, mission accomplished, I guess? Didn't even need the recording.

>>68960381
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T RECORD TO PROVE SOMETHING JUST TELL US AND WE WILL DEFINITELY TRUST YOU
retard chama.....

>>68960500
You are defending a company who privated a video made for her fans, which they didn't pay a cent of, on fucking christmas, that they had the permissions to, and then subsequently terminated their talent over it. Get YOUR moral compass checked.

>>68960425
>professional company

>>68960699
>The concept of proof was invented by woke moralists.
This is either brilliant sarcasm or the most retarded post I have ever seen. Can't figure out which.

>>68959733
its only a concern if they did something wrong
so the ones who know they fucked up are surely panicking by now

>>68960686
>a false sense of morality
Thats the whole point of this isn't it? Without moral outrage there is no story here. Social media has trained people well.

>>68960381
Honest question: how are you supposed to gather proof of your claims, then? Just overtly tell him, "HEY, I'M FUCKING RECORDING YOU. SAY SOMETHING DAMNING ABOUT OUR WORKPLACE!"? Fucking idiot.

>>68960425
>Believing the sexpest over the menhera girl

>>68960228
It's not apples to apples, anon. And it's irrelevant when one party recordings are legal in someone's jurisdiction.

>>68959733
https://stlawyers.ca/blog-news/legal-record-conversation-at-work-ontario/#:~:text=One%2Dparty%20consent%20rule,%2C%20even%20without%20others'%20knowledge.

>>68960228
The government wouldn't be one of the two consenting parties then. Selen is. Cry about the "lack of privacy" for people who bully others to death, but don't question the legality.

>>68960042
I actually wonder what laws this case is supposed to use, Canada? America? Japan?

>>68960381
british molester hands typed this post

>>68960796
if my friend was being harassed and bullied to the point of suicide and was gathering evidence of mistreatment at work I would actively encourage them to document absolutely everything at work lmao, what the fuck are you talking about?
"HAVING PROOF IS CHEATING" is a psycho take

>>68959733
If you go ask an employment lawyer, the answer is always record the fuck out of everything.

>>68960436
More if someone else who is not participating in the call is recording. The wording disuades third party wire tapping.

>>68960436
I'm pretty sure it is "aware at time of recording" so it isn't suddenly illegal if you either get amnesia or die and have something leak with a dead man's switch.

>>68960228
>And they should keep doing it no? Just dont have anything to hide bro
Uh, sure? It *might* be different for the more sensitive jobs, but as a senior Java dev + TL, be my guest. I've never cared about that and I don't think it's a big deal either. Most of us have nothing the government is particularly interested in anyway

>>68960500
Why are Nijiniggers ignoring the fact that it's common for lawyers to inform their clients to make a record in case of a lawsuit?

>>68960381
ahahaha fuck off retard
Everyone has the right to record something, or should.
Some places explicitly legalize recording of evidence as long as one relevant part is present to, or gives permission to, said recording. (which is why private investigators can do a lot of the shit they do in some countries, some do do it elsewhere, but it is grey / illegal as fuck)

>>68959733
it's more likely after enough experience dealing with Vox, she felt it was necessary to keep records of their conversations due to what he had been saying in the past. If you're some random person who's had nothing but good experiences with her, she probably wouldn't come to that same decision with you.

>>68960796
Many people /here/ already assumed that Vox was some sort of sex pest and have seen his meltdowns on stream. Him basically admitting on stream that Selen recorded him and reported his behavior is basically confirmation.

>>68960162
yeah and he held a suicide awareness charity LMAOOOOOOO the hypocrisy

>>68960771
If I talk to a friend over discord and brag about how many bitches I've raped and gotten away with, then find out she went to the police with that, I had it coming.

>>68960609
recording audio without consent can run afoul of anti-wiretapping laws in some jurisdictions so you don't have a blanket right to record everything all the time. a lot of dashcams and CCTVs deliberately don't record audio for that reason. in this case it's not relevant, the two people involved are canadian and canada only requires 1 party consent, but that's not the case in every country or every state.

>>68961027
Selen is a Canadian citizen bound by Canadian law.

>>68961102
Ah it makes sense when you put it that way

>>68960951
How dare Selen record the pedo groomer in a hostile workenvironment.

>>68960824
>>68960828
>>68960847
>>68961050
There is zero moral defense for what she did. This current fiasco wasn't even on the horizon back when the conversation happened. She did it because she wanted to prove favoritism as per the current version of events. Until she comes clear with her reasons for recording Vox being bullying, this is not defensible. You're not looking at this critically whatsoever. It's just a matter of defending whatever criticism gets thrown her way and the morality of it isn't even considered

>>68960500
If Vox was willing to talk on the record then sure, but given that he pulled the "I don't remember" card when the topic of what he was recorded saying came up, it doesn't seem like it and Selen was entirely justified in recording it.

>>68959733
When you get a bunch of snakes thrown into your agency, it's only natural to take measures to protect yourself. Unfortunately, the snakes were in there with her right from the very beginning.

>>68960609
>DashCams should be outlawed, too?
Depends on the jurisdiction, but phonecalls using work phones aren't considered private. Might extend to VoIP services being used for work too. It's all up in the air since Canada is one party recording ok anyway.

>>68961243
>The UK government can record and censor everything you do and say
>can fine you and you them in prison for wrongthink
>but you cannot do that to abusers
Completely normal.

>>68961215
no shit. you think thats the content but she waited a year?

>>68961361
You...literally talk as though proving favoritism isn't ENOUGH of a valid reason.How fucked is your brain?

>>68960500
That’s not unethical, that’s a fucking Hallmark movie ending trope. Nothing wrong with gathering evidence.

>>68960699
Get back in the Russian coma bed for your yearly benzo detox, “Doctor” Peterson.

>>68960500
>Get your moral compass checked
>>68960922
>le moral outraged
Holy shit, Nijisisters' programming is completely fucked at this point. Hahahahaha

>>68959733
Eh? not really, if you're not being a slimy motherfucker even if your phone call is recorded there's nothing to worry about.

>>68961050
But think of the sisters! But how are they supposed to make stuff up if you have proof?

After Zaion everyone who wasnt on the clique probably became paranoid. The smart ones would had recorded everything possible to defend themselves

>>68961130
because they're actively disingenuous. just like how they say "friend" and not "co-worker" because documenting interactions with coworkers and having a CYA paper trail is basic sense in the real world. "He said, she said" never favors the underdog.

>>68959733
ngl but that's actually a smart move
the moment you see other people graduating for sussy shit and your knowledge of how things are behind the scenes, always expect to be the next target
you can only trust yourself, so protect yourself

>>68961361
Do you think there is zero moral defense for whistleblowers in general, too?

>>68961361
There is, the moral defense is that betrayal of trust isn't immoral, especially in the context of self-protection and evidence gathering.

>>68961243
>The UK government can record and censor everything people do and say
>can fine people and throw them in prison over wrongthink
>but British people cannot do that to their abusers
Very good, very normal.

>>68961520
>Anycolor wasn't moral but they were legally in the right!
>No wait Selen was legally in the right but she wasn't moral!
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>68961361
>There is zero moral defense for what she did.
>she says, replying to moral defenses for what she did

>>68960796
> Moral code
"Mr lawyer, so the company fired me because I punched my coworker in the mouth for calling me a little bitch."

"Well do you have any evidence that your coworker called you a little bitch?

"No, because I have the moral code."

>>68960609
>SELEN ISN'T THE GOVERNMENT NIGGA
she should be. pomu should be the head of state and selen the head of government. full vtuber monarchy now

>>68961588
this
If I watched it go down behind the scenes and I wasn't part of the clique I'd do everything in my power to protect myself when I inevitably became the next target

>>68961639
Yes, the UK is a slimy shithole and Vox fits in perfectly there.

>>68961027
If you are a foreign company enforcing a non-compete against a Canadian citizen under any employment status, contractor, full-time, etc, Canadian law will apply.

>>68961361
I'm still waiting to hear this supposed super moral and ethical way of gathering testimony that someone is being shown favoritism from the person who is being shown favoritism.

>>68961627
>Do you think there is zero moral defense for whistleblowers in general, too?
DON'T ROCK THE BOAT, GAIJIN
THE NAIL THAT STICKS OUT GETS HAMMERED DOWN
IT CAN'T BE HELPED
READ THE ATMOSPHERE
THINK OF THE COMPANY'S REPUTATION

You don't need to worry about being recorded unless you're some kind of fucked up individual. There's no need to try to remember when you only tell the truth.

Actually most companies record your calls between departments. Employees and customers.

>>68961730
Collecting evidence is against my religion, your Honor

>>68961762
>drama tourists forced by law to actually watch streams
it would be like 1984!

>>68960796
If you believe you're being seriously harassed at work or treated unfairly there's nothing wrong with collecting evidence to be used for legal action. Has all that NIJI FAMILY brainwashing fried your brain that you forgot that they are first and foremost colleagues? Any other opinion would just let companies run over their employees however they like without reprocussions

>>68961465
Okay so now the question has shifted from: "She was being bullied so she was right to record him" to : "Her already stated purpose for recording him was already justifiable"
I'm done bro. There is zero critical thinking to be had here. Literally all of you subsisting on outrage porn and blindly letting yourself corralled with everyone else. Just because a lot of people say something, doesn't make it right and true

>>68959733
Why do you think they made that video anon? Its to throw her under the bus early before she drops the nuke

>>68961027
Selens canadian and its legal in canada, vox is english and its illegal in england.

so whatever dirt she has on vox probably isn't usable in court but if she has dirt on elira or enna it will work just fine as its perfectly legal in both japan and canada.

>>68961361
Recording the sexpest cunt to prove that management has his cock down their throat so hard they actually shit it is and will always be the moral high ground

And the anyone starting to make fucking receipts in a company is in their right

>try to get proof that rules in Niji aren't enforced equally
>call Vox asking him about that one time he openly mocked the nijisanji official statement about the AR concert cancellation and got away with it
>"NOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CANNOT RECORD THAT, THAT'S IMMORAL AIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEE TASUKETE RIKU-SAMA"

>>68960500
Well
At the end of the day the point was proven

>>68961921
Their need to be contrarian has fried their brains.

This entire thread (and every other about this) REALLY is just taking Vox's accusation of being recorded at face value huh, You know he ALSO said he thoroughly reviewed the document and then Anycolor said they only got "The parts relevant to them" So either anycolor is lying for damage control, or Vox is lying about reading the entire document, What if VOX is lying about being recorded?, He has lied about so many other god damn things in the past too given his history of shit from his PLs, Why do we suddenly trust him at his word in what was CLEARLY a hitpiece designed to throw doki under the bus and catch her in a vulnerable state while she was streaming?

>>68961970
Isn't usable in court in the UK, you mean?

>>68961935
No, she always had the right to record the conversation, the argument has always been moral code.

And you know who doesn't care about morale? The court, the lawyer, and Nijisanji.

sisters really aren't sending their best

>>68961970
Selen didn't record her conversation with Vox to get dirt on him to bring it to court, though. Not even Vox himself said so. It might not even be related to the bully case (she was trying to prove favoritism towards Luxiem back then). Chances are what she recorded will never come to light

What is immoral and illegal should be mentioning you are part of the legal proceedings when the other party has deliberately tried to avoid publicly naming you.

>>68961935
Yeah, because it was completely justifiable from the beginning even if they were entirely friendly with zero animosity. People record meetings between coworkers all the time just for personal note-keeping purposes. People are just pointing out how even more justifiable it is because Vox has a long, long track record of being a massive asshole, never mind what might have prompted her to actually start doing it.

Some of you really care about morality suddenly. I'm starting get flashbacks.

>>68961856
company calls add the disclaimer 'this call may be recorded' at the start when they do that

>>68959733
Nijisisters unironically think recording severe workplace misconduct should be illegal, you people are fucking deranged if you've convinced yourself of this

>>68962096
>This entire thread (and every other about this) REALLY is just taking Vox's accusation of being recorded at face value huh
Might as well considering it's fun to poke fun in the whole "SELEN WAS MORALLY IN THE WRONG" argument.

>>68959733
I think it's more of a cause for concern for a company to privatize a Twitter account and remove all streams overnight for a termination just to remove all statements and evidence from one party and pass a narrative.
Wouldn't you think?

>>68961617
It's a smart move usually encouraged by LAWYERS.

>>68961970
It is usable, ironically that just means that Vox would be in trouble if he did the same. Guess he should try living in a country that isn't shit.

>>68961798
Goddamn we got the lawyers coming out and everything. This nijidrama is getting real

>>68961970
That would mean it's not usable in a UK court. All the filings as far as we know are in the Canadaian legal system, since that is also where Nijisanji EN is located.

>>68960228
Voluntarily offering information to some fat chink online is not the same as the government spying on your private conversations

If he invites Selen into his conversations she inadvertently becomes a part of them and is more than allowed to do whatever she wishes from there on. They're 20something anime adjacent entertainers, not government officials beholding to some top secret classified information that must remain behind closed doors

Point is, if you don't want shit to leak don't put it out there, regardless of what it is. Trying to shame someone to staying quiet doesn't work on everyone

>>68959733
If they didn't do anything wrong then there's no reason to be concerned. Doki was well-liked and trusted by a large amount of collaborators that is much bigger than NijisanjiEN itself, it seems

>>68962096
Vox probably got access to the full document if the favoritism claim is true desu

>>68959733
I don't have to be pro Niji to think it could've been a questionable move depending on the content of the convo.
I'm biased because a friend I had was blackmailed in an abusive relationship because of recordings.

>>68959733
Kindred or retard? Oh wait, they're the same thing.

>>68962430
Fucking kek at the img.

>>68959733
Moral of the story: single-party consent laws are a bitch if you're trying to bend someone over and play them a fool, the recording party can almost always get away with it.

Clique better be praying to god they never got confrontational with Doki in any conversation beyond whatever she's got on Vox.

>>68959733
>Doki secretly recorded Vox
Isn't she aware that recording a conversation without consent is illegal by UK laws?
Isn't she a bit hypocritical by trying to hide behind her local (Canadian) laws and in the meantime completely disregarding other laws? Or is she just plain stupid?

>>68962196
They are though, it's just that they're all completely retarded, or having their oshis cocks in their mouths when it's fujoshis

>>68962128
Yes, but if she wanted to come after vox specifically her recordings would be useless because he'd be tried in a UK court where what she did was illegal.

so vox is probably safe from getting sued or tried criminally if thats all she has on him.

>>68962430
>anycolon

>>68962229
it's all abot the ethics in vtubing.

>>68962430
That's why the entirety of Vox's argument boils down to "I can't believe you've done that to me, I thought we were friends."
That's why he never mentioned if what selen did was legal or not,l.

It's an ad hominem attack.

Isn't it kinda interesting how Vox felt comfortable enough to say that he was recorded without his consent, that he felt it was a breach of his trust, and yet didn't (or rather, couldn't) deny that the claims of favoritism were true?

all I gotta say is thank god one party recording is illegal in my state so I ain't gotta worry about any of this shit

>>68959733
If she did, it kind of lowers my opinion of her. Not enough to side with Niji, but that seems like an unforced error on her part.

>>68962299
Unironically this will be a giant nothingburger. There will either be a court case and nothing will come of it or nothing at all. There's no actual case to be made here, it's just a battle for public opinion

>He's getting special treatment reeee
Okay welcome to the real world I guess? and as you said being treated like shit happens and the response is to usually up and fucking quit like she did.

>>68961935
If there was nobody being immoral there'd have been no need to record them. If anything, even on this flimsy moral code thing, the code was broken by others first. An even retaliation is definitely moral at that point.

>>68960228
Cool slippery slope retard

>>68961798
It's so over for Kurosanji kek.

>>68962635
She just has to be part of the conversation. It's only illegal to eavesdrop.

>>68962635
>Canadian follows Canadian laws
Bros why would Selen do this

>>68962740
Not really. He's a known narcissist. He only cares about what might hurt him.

>>68960979
>"Yes, you can be fired for secretly recording a conversation with your boss or coworkers.
However, your employer may be able to fire you for cause, without a severance package or EI, depending on the circumstances. If the secret recording erodes your employer’s trust in you, it could qualify as serious misconduct, resulting in a termination for cause."

???

>>68962219
NijiEN managment implicated the three of them as potential abusers by making them record that video.

>>68959733
I hate asmon but he had a decent point last light where he said if he had a suspicion of someone trying to snake his ass he’s recording all their phone calls

>>68962949
I kekked

>>68962635
Idk but I think you're stupid for thinking you know the laws of ever country under the sun. That's just stupid to assume that. His laws don't apply to her and vice versa.

>>68962992
Claims of favoritism would absolutely hurt him.

>>68962635
UK laws don't apply to Canadian citizens. When you're less free than the fucking leaves you have a serious issue anyway.

>>68962635
Yeah, I mean it's not like Anycolor is trying to hide behind Japanese defamation laws or anything.

>>68962635
That's not how it works anon.
She's a canadian, in canade, where nijiEN is. She's completely allowed to do that by law.

>>68962801
canada is autistic about labour laws, if Selen does have evidence of both sustained workplace harrassment and her suicide attempt then Nijisanji will very quickly decide to settle this matter out of court because they lose that battle.

>>68962721
This lmao. They're asspained over the recording situation because it's not that estranged from the whole Scarle/Aster situation. There's no fucking professionalism being maintained there so now he's actually shook about the things he said to a coworker, not a friend as these barren sisters keep pushing it, a coworker

>>68963093
You think he gives a shit?
His tweet calling out management over "oh, covid? alright" is still up

>>68963056
>His laws don't apply to her and vice versa
This should be Doki's thoughts before she attempted to open her dumpster of a mouth to say:
>B-but i-it's i-illegal

>>68962228
>People record meetings between coworkers all the time just for personal note-keeping purposes
Yes, but consensually. Whatever it is, I'm hoping she took the time to also record the bullying she was subjected to just before her attempt. She had the presence of mind to record Vox months in advance so lets see if she's got something here as well

>>68963370
Yea, your brain is utterly fried with drama baiting.

>>68959733
So if it's confirmed that archive sites exist, shouldn't it be a concern for (You) that your retarded takes will never disappear from the internet?

>>68959733
A wise practitioner of CYA. (Cover Your Ass) She has proof, the others have only what she wanted them to have. Anycolor better settle this before court or they'll be grasping at straws in discovery.

>>68963384
in fact, this was recorded consensually. all it needs is for one party to consent and then they can record it

>>68959733
>zoomers
Lmao you fucking zoomers are so dumb. As an older Millennial I got taught by my Silent Generation/Boomer/GenX elders to fucking watch what you say even on the phone cause people might always be recording you. These are people taht lived through the cold war and Watergate shit so they know a thing or two being paranoid about people recording them. Zoomers are so far removed from that they self incriminate themselves a lot nowadays and wonder why they got thrown in jail for it. They think it's for clout, the older generations and maybe people in their generation that got raised well fucking knows it's called being held accountable.

TL;DR don't talk out of your ass cause you'd never know if somebody is listening.

>>68963384
Telling everyone in your daily scrum standup that you're recording them just for private note-taking purposes is weird and offputting. No one does that. You just record.

>>68963370
thing is handing sealed documents moderating a harassment dispute including medical records that prove a suicide attempt was made is illegal in every fucking country you retard.

>>68963477
Eons from now people will dig up my posts about Marine's unfit, overflowing ass
And I won't apologize

>>68963384
What part of one party consent do you not understand you fucking retard?

>>68960381
lmao
i hope none of the people replying to you ever typed anything like
>i want revenge on the person who ratted mel out
cause it's deeply ironic

>>68959733
>confirmed
lmao

>>68963351
>His tweet calling out management over "oh, covid? alright" is still up
...Because he's favored, yes.

>>68960425
>professional company
my sides

>>68962635
>Isn't she a bit hypocritical by trying to hide behind her local (Canadian) laws
>canadian hiding behind canadian laws
In other news, water is wet and this poster is a faggot. More at 5.

>>68963707
I've never been stupid enough to do something worth ratting out and then admitted to it to someone directly affected by it. When I do terrible things, I just keep it to myself like a normal fucking person.

If everyone in NijiEN was openly recording each other at all times, there would quite literally be zero bullying.

https://files.catbox.moe/hd5s18.mp4

>>68960381
Lmao she knew he was a fucking snake and a creep

The NDF becoming more and more incoherent as they bend over backwards to spin this whole situation is honestly hilarious to watch

>>68962663
non-consensual covert audio or video recordings can be used as admissible evidence in UK legal proceedings. Rule 32.1 of the Civil Procedure Rules

>>68960381
.selencucks will defend her every action.
Acting like a schizo BPD freak? Recording private conversations? Faking suicide attempts? She a good girl she dindu nuffin

>>68963918
>when I do terrible things, I just keep it to myself like a normal fucking person
Yeah cause fucking zoomers nowadays think everything is for clout cause of Logan Paul so they fucking Johnny Somali themselves. Logan Paul is an untouchable, these random Johnnies are not.

Don't let the nyfco sisters distract you form the fact the fans and leaving en masse from kurosanji, and that they thing everything will be back to normal in a week lmao

>>68964230
>non-consensual covert audio
>go to the UK
>get raped (audibly)

>>68963975
Openly? Probably not unless you want to experience the ultimate isolation.

But I bet my underpants if there aren't a dozen other talents secretly recording everything in case shit hits the fan.

>>68959733
You realize the US government does the same thing?

>>68964304
kek

>>68964258
Sister chill, go back to schlicking yourself to Vox's daddy ASMR

>>68964304
kek

>>68964230
But she's in Canada though. She'd get defended in Canadian law unless Canada bends the knee and she gets prosecuted under UK law which is totally retarded since what she did was done in Canadian soil using Canadian laws, UK just can't extradite a Canadian Citizen to the UK for them to get punished cause according to Canada law what she did was completely fine.

>>68963370
nigger she's a canadian citizen living and working in canada while employed by a multinational corporation operating in canada by employing her, yes canadian laws apply the same way the Toyota plant in Kentucky can't get away with unpaid overtime because "PREASE UNDERSTAND GAIIN, GRORIOUS NIPPON WORK CULTURE" and has to follow american labor laws

>>68964289
>Nijisanji ENGLISH
lol bro still watching Nijisanji

>hey mr goldstein esq, what should I do if I want to file a lawsuit against my employer?
>record everything goy
>ok!
>records everything
HOW COULD SHE BETRAY OUR STERLING REPUTATION LIKE THIS?

>>68960162
He accused himself of bullying with the 'how could you tweet like that about our precious company' bull shit. He gets the rope.

I can't wait until Selens clueless lawyer demands discord give him a comprehensive log of all texts sent during the period of harassment.

scrolling through the discord logs of a bunch of menhera zoomers will absolutely cause him to lose his faith in humanity.

>>68964258
How many times have you cut yourself this week nijisister?

>>68964258
Lmao look at the faggots upset that Selen is smart enough to record and gather evidence

>>68964402
And most people don't really like it but don't know what to do about it except throw up their hands in exasperation.
Did anyone do something against the Ughyur genocide in China?
Does it make it justified?
What even is this kind of reasoning you authoritarian, no, Orwellian dolt.

>>68964258
> Defend
Seethe all you want, in fact Any color can't even threaten her with defamation lawsuit speaks how much "defend" Selen needs.

>>68964535
>implying he'd do it himself
That's what interns are for.

>>68959733
How would you prove workplace harassment without recording it? Perhaps it's scummy but it's the only logical thing to do.

I will never going to believe a puke bfe vtuber and so are you sister

>>68964510
I don't see where the random antisemitism fits in.

>>68961370
>HE SAID HE DIDN'T REMEMBER SO THAT MEANS SELEN IS LE HECKIN EVIL
KWAB, your next cope will be fencesitting

>>68964561
Is "cover your ass" in corpo setting an unfamiliar concept to zoomers?

>>68964258
So true sister! #Cut4Hex

>>68964230
she lives in canada, you obtuse retard
uk laws are only useful when you dont have anything to wipe your ass with

>>68964675
According to Vox she was recording him to prove that there were different standards for men and women in Niji when it comes to vulgarity

>omg why would she record Vox that's so rude
She's exercising her own fucking agency. The reason she did this shit literally just played out in public with the Scarle shit, bless her but she turned into a helpless bitch when being confronted and ran internally for help, and all she got out of it was someone ELSE weaponizing her situation. Thank god Doki looked out for herself

>>68964466
she wouldn't be defending, this is separate from her case against nijisanji, if she wanted to go after specific people for harassment outside of the workplace she'd be going to them.

Recording every conversation you have is impractical. Even before talking about hard drive space, that's probably terabytes of conversations to sift through.
Obviously she was clued in on something, and advised by a lawyer to start recording conversations with people she suspected.

>>68964535
>I can't wait until Selens clueless lawyer demands discord give him a comprehensive log of all texts sent during the period of harassment.
You do know Discord gives them even without a Lawyer asking. There's an option in your discord account to ask for a compiled everything about your account even after it's deleted. What they have to fight for is to get the access to that Discord account(Selen) to request that from Discord, then again I think since this is a big case Discord just can send it to them without subpoena cause again everything you have in your account you can request already and discord will give them to you.

I record work conversations all the time because people lie about shit all the time and sometimes it helps when analyzing what the fuck went wrong.

>>68964258
It disturbs me to think anyone would actually defend Nijisanji. Even if you hate Selen, sucking corpo cock is peak bugman behavior.

>>68960500
>Friend
Bully. Vox is not friends with anyone he can't manipulate and control. If your state or province allows for recording, you are morally correct to record every interaction with anyone who has ever bullied you in the past.

>>68964486
>a multinational corporation operating in canada by employing her
So wrong retard. She's a freelance contractor. Niji are not operating in Canada

>>68964614
>>68964561
>>68964557
>>68964755
>evil nefarious illegal shady immoral actions are allowed because.... because they just are okay???!
Selen is one evil bitch. She overstepped herself and the truth is being revealed. Your hypocritical defence is weak and shallow.
The true bully is Selen and all will be revealed lmao

>>68959733
>Doki secretly recorded Vox
Why are we believing them? They've liked multiple times already, what's the chance they're heavily exaggerating or just straight up lying

>>68964699
It's actually philosemitic. The old stereotype is that Jews were the best lawyers.

>>68964871
>>evil nefarious illegal shady immoral actions are allowed because.... because they just are okay???!
But enough about Nijisanji!

>>68964258
>a victim gathered evidence to defend herself
>this is because it just is
sista...

>>68964871
>The true bully is Selen and all will be revealed lmao
>source: I want Vox's cock up my ass stat!

>>68964871
I would be impressed if someone fall for this

>>68964815
But yeah that still doesn't change the fact that what she did isn't illegal in Canadian law where she did her recordings. At the most she would be the plaintiff cause she has audio evidence of the wrongdoings lmao.

>>68964769
no i mean, it's for selen defence, not vox lmao

>>68964871
Holy bait

>>68964466
OMG you morons. You guys just don't get it this doesn't come down to Selen versus the other livers. Even when or if they are at fault. The lawyers are going to go after anything they can go after that's how they work and it usually ends up being the company being held liable.

Example. I'm driving around in a company owned vehicle. I go up during the day to go pick up my friend who is not part of the company for whatever reason. We get into a car accident that is completely not my fault. My friend gets injured and looks to sue. You know who the lawyer is going to go after to get money? The company that owned the vehicle that gave it to me if he can't get anything out of the other driver. Can I use this as an example cuz shit like this has happened before. I've seen it first hand. At the end of the day no matter what whether the clique is real or not or at fault or not it still falls on that company... No matter how much they try to pass the blame and cover their backs.

>>68964871
>nijikek in full damage control and yet nobody believes them anymore
LMAO

>>68964750
>"kurosanji doesn't have idol culture, it's run like a business!"
>person treats it like a business and documents interactions with coworkers and makes sure to CYA in case of disputes with employer
>"WTF NO NOT LIKE THAT!"
lol
you should be saving every email and recording every phone call as a matter of practice at any legit business. in fact in case litigation comes up it's literally against the law to start destroying records of employee correspondence to try and make Discovery harder at trial lol

>>68959733
No. It should only be a concern for those who may have bullied and/or harassed her or were engaging in some other sort of wrongdoing. I guarantee she wouldn't have done it without a reasonable cause, let alone submit any recordings over as "evidence" to her legal team if there wasn't some damning information on them.

>>68964975
ah, in that case, okay

>>68964871
Get pregnant you deranged bitch

>>68964984
>>68964949
>>68964941
>>68965072
>no argument
What kind of normal functioning human being records private calls with co-workers or accquaintances? Imagine for a moment you have friends or a job. Would you be happy to know someone was recording your private conversations without your knowledge? Or would you think the person was a crazed freak?

>>68964258
Selen having a mental illness cannot be helped but she has shown to be able to manage it. Meanwhile Nijisanji is completely mismanaging this. If they wanted to fire her they should have done a month ago and be transparent about it.

>>68964871
This probably is bait, but nijisisters are so mindbroken I can't tell.

>>68959733
Yeah that's psycho bitch behavior

>>68964905
Still seems like a weird thing to bring up into a conversation.
>Hey I need to get better at singing, what are your thoughts on the mater BLACK HIP HOP ARTIST?

>>68964841
Audio recording is very compact actually, 64kbps is enough for audio recording and that's what most business recorders set to. With this setting an hour of recording amount to about 30mb.

>>68965262
>oyyy veyy don't insult G-d's chosen people that's not nice

>>68965275
Correction: I meant voice recordings.

>>68964883
If they're straight up lying then they will be raked over the coals in court so hard they will be homeless.

So it's confirmed that riku paid more for a troll farm to defend nijikuro on a Somalian fishing forum than artists, event organizers and talents over the last 10 years right?

>>68965208
>record government employee mistreating people
>record classes to review them later
>record evidence of abuse coming from boyfriend or coworker

>>68965208
>What kind of normal functioning human being records private calls with co-workers or accquaintances?
You keep repeating this line in every thread. It's hilarious. Everyone keeps telling you that if you think you're being fucked over it's reasonable to record. You don't want to listen because you're desperate for people to suck Vox's dick.

>>68964640
>Selen hires a lawyer to help with her workplace harassment case against nijisanji.
>Lawyer takes one look at the chatlogs and then pushes them on to his interns.
>a week later his interns file a workplace harassment case against him for forcing them to read NijiEN's DM's.

>>68964871
>She's a freelance contractor
she has a noncompete, she's an employee.

If I hire a contractor to paint my house I can't prevent him from going next door and painting my neighbor's fence. That's an independent contractor.
If I have sole ownership of all his paints and can direct him to only paint what I what when I say it, and if he tries to spend his own money to paint something else I tear it down and tell him not to, he's a fucking employee and not a contractor.
>BUT NIJI WILL CALL HER AN INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR IN THEIR CONTRACT!
not how that works, the labor courts will call a spade a spade and will actually rule more harshly against niji for acting in bad faith

>>68965262
Should tell that to Enna.

>>68965262
>singing
Rapping would've made for a better analogy.

>>68965042
Lmao literally grasping at straws. That's injury through vehicle not slander and you're suing for medical and stress reparation. Also if you sue the company that owned the vehicle you'd get laugh at cause it takes two to tango. The only time the company would be at fault is if it had a faulty brakes or something that could have caused the accident, not just being guilty by association. It still ends up as a case by case basis. But if you think the accident isn't your fault and the investigation shows that everything is in working order, the judge could also say it's an act of god and your friend won't get shit.

>>68964841
Here's the thing most people are ignoring: you delete the recordings that don't have anything bad in them. The fact that there's a recording of Vox out there and he knows about it like this means there is something fucked in it.

>>68960042
don't stuff your mouth mococo you dumb impolite bitch

>>68965509
Okay, that'd actually be funny.

>>68960436
>>68961027
>So if you are not aware of your own actions it becomes illegal and you get punished?
It's about a third-party recording the conversation without either party's consent or knowledge (AKA, Wiretapping), not about one or the other member of the conversation.

>>68965363
You don't see me constantly point out how white people invented communism every time one of those fucks come up.

>>68965208
I know multiple people who record every phonecall by default, myself included. It's nice living in a free country and not whatever third world shithole or neocommie European nation you're posting from. How can you prove anything without evidence?

not unless they harassed her, i guess

>>68959733
I'd let Doki record me

>>68964258
>gathers evidence to prove you're not making shit up
>NOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU'RE SLIMY THAT'S MORALLY WRONG
>doesn't gather evidence to be a moral person
>LMAO LOOK AT THIS RETARD MAKING SHIT UP DO YOU HAVE ANY PROOF? NO? DIDN'T THINK SO LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>68965208
A warehouse guy at a company I work for got an IT guy fired. The warehouse guy was trying to point out that there's a problem with the servers and the IT guy was being a total asshole to him. Warehouse guy got completely pissed off and told management which ended up getting heard by the company president (recorded call) between the warehouse guy and the IT guy was recorded in the IT guy got fired immediately for his behavior and attitude.

What you guys don't work corporate level jobs?

>>68965208
>What kind of normal functioning human being records private calls with co-workers or accquaintances?
I do record calls with backstabbers all the time.
And you should do too anon, for your own safety.
If nothing happens, nothing happens, it just turns into lost media. But if it does happen, you have your ass covered.

>>68965742
That's a question?

>>68965208
>would you be happy to know someone was recording your private conversations without your knowledge?
Lmao retard, of course nobody would but it's fairly common, that's why you watch what you say, you're not fucking Donald Trump that could say to grab somebody by the pussy and get away from it.

>>68960381
>recording someone and only sharing it with your lawyers to build your legal case is inexcusable
>leaking private documents to 3rd parties and having them talk about it publically on the internet is cool and based

Thanks niji boot licker, very cool

>>68965668
>gathers evidence to prove you're not making shit up
>doesn't gather evidence to be a moral person
In the meantime in real world:
>has not a single piece of evidence and is only spreading shit around to gain more exposure

>>68965542
That isn't grassing at straws you clown. All this literally happened while being under contract and employed by the company. On their servers. In their chat rooms between coworkers. Which I assume is moderated and watched over by management.

This isn't some high School drama wake the hell up

>>68965089
I know its against the law to destroy employee records during litigation but companies do that anyway, like those dudes who shredded a shitload of company records the day the activision blizzard drama came out.

of course since almost all correspondence is done through discord niji doesn't really have that option, lol.

>>68960796
Man I'd love to work with you and harass you endlessly because at least you have the "moral" code

Kek, holy shit what is this mindset? Just bow down to HR? Take the L?

Corporations don't usually have your health in mind, only how much money you can bring in

>>68965208
>Imagine for a moment you have friends or a job. Would you be happy to know someone was recording your private conversations without your knowledge?
I work at a hospital and we deal with HR all the time here, for obvious reasons. The hospital will make and do anything to save face, including throwing the employees under the bus, this is normal.
That's why I tell me co-workers ALL THE TIME to always bring their cellphones to those "talks" and make clear they're recording it

>confirmed secretly records vox
>AIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEE YOU CAN'T DO THAT WHAT ABOUT T-T-THE GOVERMENT WHAT ABOUT T-THEY SECRETLY RECORD YOUR ENTIRE CONVERSATION W-WHAT ABOUT THE NATION THEN?! YOU DON'T HAVE TO HIDE RITE ANON?!!!!!

kek

That's fair. And I guess if the amount of private voice calls she's in is small enough, she could folder things well enough herself. I just imagine that she's probably making multiple private voice calls a day, so it'd probably be a nightmare to sort through herself.

>>68965788
Anon that guy will not make it, he's too trusting. He's still defending Nijisanji even after all of these.

>>68964709
My man that's the opposite of what I was to trying to say, let me try and be more clear.

Selen secretly recorded Vox because he's untrustworthy and dishonest, and him using the 'I can't recall' defense which is a pretty common evasive answer that lawyers coach witnesses to use, is further proof that she was right to do so.

>>68965042
Where do you even start to break down how retarded this post is?

>>68960425
>professional
LMAO

>>68960381
yes, this entire company is black.

>>68965524
Selen doesn't have the money to keep funding a lawsuit long enough to bring this to Canadian courts. She would need to start shilling a gofundme for legal fees NOW and hope that people don't lost interest in the next 5-10 years before the preliminaries end and a decision is made on if canadian employmen law applies. Not that she will sue anyway, she's just making noise to get viewers and followers.
Isn't it strange how 2 weeks ago barely anbody cared who she was and now every normalfag youtube drama channel pretends to be on her side?

>>68965742
>>68965949
Where in these ZZZ stories is a private call mentioned? Selen wasn't recording work time, she was recording private discord calls.

>>68960425
>professional company
I'm dying.

>>68964955
the plaintiff in a british court, where it was illegal to acquire the recordings because vox would be the defendant.

I'm just saying if audio recordings she acquired without consent are all she has she can't touch vox for anything he did to her when he was in england.

>>68966000
>This post is retarded because I say so
Literally brain dead. What part of the company is liable do you not understand no matter what?

>>68959733
you have to record everything anon, its a protection for any associated party, if someone denies it and put an offended mask it means they have something to hide and they are most likely corrupted.

>>68965896
If you believe this then why are you seething so much nijinigger?

>>68965208
I'd think they're a little fucking weird, but other than that, I wouldn't care. Just don't use my audio to make a deepfake of me fucking a horse or something and we're cool.

>>68965905
>This isn't some high School drama wake the hell up
Yeah that's why everything is recorded. It's called having your ass covered. For you to even think this is so highschool drama just makes it look like you're a kid that is still in highschool that has not worked a real job yet.

t.35 year old that has to record EVERYTHING I do even small comments or I can get fined up to $100,000 for negligence at my work.

>>68966067
>Where in these ZZZ stories is a private call mentioned?
>>68965949
>to always bring their cellphones to those "talks" and make clear they're recording it
A private talk is the same thing.
Hell, why do you think people screenshot private discord conversations, or social media DMs, all the time? And we have years before they're leaked as receipts for some drama that happened?
It's, again, the same thing.

>tendency to be unstable when she doesn't get her way
>always "it's not my fault!" when bantering with other vtubers
>several cases of cancelled projects because she just won't follow rules when everybody else can
>covertly records shit for ammo
Gee, she's so likable. No wonder she has so many simps here. She'll never fuck you btw

>>68965208
>What kind of normal functioning human being records private calls with co-workers or acquaintances?
An actual normal functioning human being with the head on their shoulder. You must be one of those troublemakers at the workplace and now sweating thinking what if one of your colleagues holds a recording of your shitty behaviour.

T-One month until it comes out that Vox was using his privileges to send ball pics to every woman in the company

>>68966067
Ahhh, yes, Organs aren't working the moment they logged onto their Organ Disco accounts. Good thing they don't clock their timecards when they enter the office, right?

>>68966201
Yeah you're 35 and also mentally retarded because you don't even understand what I'm even saying. Tell the poster that I'm replying to not me.

>>68965896
i'm spreading shit all over my walls right now! It came from my asshole!

>>68966067
If the accounts and servers were owned by the company then it's not private, but rather workplace stuff.

>>68966092
I haven't seen the court docs, but clearly the have Vox shook. You're moving the goalpost because you've received nothing but Ls this whole thread.

>>68966067
If the lawyer thinks it's a really good case, they could work on contingency

>>68966310
>he thinks what he was saying even had sense
I don't like using the kid card but goddamn what a kid.

>>68966209
sisters are seething lmao

>>68966209
>when everybody else can
Can they though?
Your rrat would be much more believable if nijiEN wasn't obviously a dumpster fire for months now

>>68966392
Oh I see I'm being baited because I actually have a point nice try sister. Not going to derail me.

>>68960425
>professional
Professional criminals, yeah.

>>68966224
>You must be one of those troublemakers at the workplace and now sweating thinking what if one of your colleagues holds a recording of your shitty behaviour.
Oh shit that anon will get metoo'd one of these days.

>>68966209
Sorry sister, your British faggot's streaming career ended this week.

>>68966087
surprise, anon.
>>68964230
>>68964975

Need your sisters will literally say and do anything to cover for their little demons

>>68966087
There's scant evidence she's actually suing the other livers. The only testimony to that effect was that retarded video and even they didn't say they've been served or some shit. Also... Canada-UK pipeline is more complex than you think. Commonwealth nations are a bitch to deal with if you're a Brit.
I don't think it'll happen in this case, but if they determine he committed a crime, which cyber bullying can be in Canada, he'd be subject to extradition at which point UK's laws regarding recordings can't protect him, because he'd be in a Canadian court.

>>68966453
NTA but We accept your concession.

>which I assume is moderated and watched over by management
You assumed wrong, remember there's like 1 manager per 10 livers so they have no clue what anybody is doing all the time. That's the issue with NIJI lmao.

>>68966067
>she's just making noise to get viewers and followers.
She's making noise to keep the moral highground so that her image does not suffer from this.
The same thing niji is doing
The only difference is that one of them is much MUCH better at it.

Companies still at fault no matter what and someone's going to end up getting fired.

>>68966418
The ones who leave can't follow rules. Simple as. Fucking retards that want all the fame and the money it brings but not accountability. Good riddance.

Why are people saying that one party consent doesn't exist in the UK? Someone post the law that says it's illegal to record a conversation that you're a party to.

>>68960425
>professional company

>>68966209
vox isn't going to fuck you either sister.

>>68966627
Nope.
>>68966663

>>68960228
Why laws require at least one in the party to know. So no outside secret recordings. Of course, Snowden exposed that they do it anyway. Hey Brits, record US citizens, and we'll do yours. That way we avoid breaking each other's Constitution. Even though we'll share the confidential info.
Similar loophole that Niji shares confidential info with their talents that are not bound to confidentiality. And then stream it on their non-official channel to the public. Though it's still on their IP and probably through their coercion. Shouldn't stand in court.

>>68966668
Real rough for niji that they can't stop hiring people who keep breaking the rules.
My heart goes out to them, thoughts and prayers.

>>68960061
Hypothetically, if you were in some weird Fuege state and started and ended the recording before coming out of it, it would be inadmissible evidence, but deffo not punishable.

>>68966672
Because vox is here and he's trying to defend his nasty ass. Along with his mentally ill Chinese fan.

Very a bunch of freaking losers grasping at straws that have no grasp of reality. The e-fame has inflated their egos beyond help

>>68965207
Selen
>literal menhera
>manages herself as good as any sane person for years
>joins niji
>self harm hospital
Zaion
>not a trace of mental instability for years
>joins niji
>suddenly needs antidepressants
Roach
>is a bit menhera
>joins niji
>absolutely loses it
>leaves and has a mental breakdown on her first stream at vshojo
>"a helpful manager that isnt a watchdog???"

>>68960425
>sucking off corporation
>EVER

>>68966937
But enough about Selen

>>68966668
>but not accountability
I can't believe Selen raped Vox, tried to kill Elira, and made Ike watch him kill her mother... that's what we're mad about right? Surely it's not something as petty as positng a video without perms that makes you think Niji is justified in pursuing a character assassination campaign? You're not that much of a bootlick right?

>>68966209
So then why'd several other EN members jump ship? Why did Niji continue making snide passive-aggressive prods toward her after she wanted to move on? Nobody forced them to make a two-sentence middle-finger, nobody forced them to post a 15-minute "stream" "addressing concerns", nobody forced them to be radio silent for a MONTH. Her being likable or not does not condone how she was treated. In an office, if there's a screaming autistic employee that refuses to work with people, HR comes in, escorts them out, and they are GONE. They are never spoken of again, especially not publicly.

>>68966672
Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000
Data Protection Act 1998
Human Rights Act 1998
General Data Protection Regulation
all work together to mean that (You) can't record another person without their consent.
I guess you can do it but it won't be admitted to court - and the other person can sue you.
Selen is getting sued by Vox if she keeps pushing this shit lmao

>>68965896
>>has not a single piece of evidence and is only spreading shit around to gain more exposure
This actually a bad argument for your side anon.
We're talking about the voice/call recordings, no?
The voice/call recordings VOX SAID Selen has and made.
If she "has not a single piece of evidence" and is indeed false that she recorded shit... then it just means Vox was lying...
Selen never presented any evidence herself, never. All we evidence we had is coming from Nijisanji and NijiEN themselves.
You didn't think this one through, did you?

>>68966672
Good thing the records were made in Canada then jfc these Niji bootlickers are so desperate

>>68966885
Whole thing seems like they are trying to provoke Doki to violate their agreement so they can sue her for that.

>>68967012
Bro, we don't need bait. Nijisisters are providing enough retardation naturally.

>>68966663
>>68966780
No shit the company is at fault because it was them that set the standard or rather the lack of it. What you're straw-manning you fucking retarded mouth-breather is that you are blaming a company that gave you a car to drive and that car should be in working order and you got in an accident using the vehicle that passed the regulations. Niji doesn't even have regulations so that one is on them and their discord is not a car so your retarded analogy won't even win an argument in a court case. When you drive, do you have the fucking CEO of TOYOTA breathing down your neck while you drive? No right? But in Niji they should have been managed by managers.

>>68967091
It's two common wealth citizens retard. Unless you're a lawyer with a specialization in international law you don't know what happens when their laws conflict. Given this case it's more likely Vox will be compelled to testify in a Canadian court than any personal law suit happening at all.

>>68967112
This is what I don't get the nijibootlickers want her to get prosecuted under UK law when she just followed what's allowed in the Canadian law where she lives and that UK can't really extradite a citizen of the said country that was just doing what their law is allowing them to do for a supposed crime in a different country.

>>68967091
Recordings were made in Canada tho

>>68967047
She really couldn't wait for a full approval? Really? Then uses pity tactics Rushia style with suicide? Yeah, fuck Selen. Victim mentality retards deserve it, you will keep simping, and you will never get to fuck her, while she goes HAHA all the way to the bank.

>>68966067
British Columbia really doesn't sleep on workplace harassment shenanigans, if Selen has any case at all then Nijisanji is fucked, the BC civil courts rule overwhelmingly in favour of the employee over the employer.

>>68967091
What happened in 98 that turned the UK into a neocommie bloc country? I recall that being the same year they lost their guns. That's the year I was born so forgive my ignorance.

>>68959733
To be honest even if Doki personally went up to Vox's house and shit on his front doorstep I'd be okay with it, because it's Vox.

>>68967341
>>68967256
Cope. Vox is gonna sue selen so hard her entirely family is moving back to China to live in the rice paddies

>>68960425
>professional
Holy fuck anon, I actually had to cover my mouth to not bust out laughing at work

>>68967127
I'm not talking about a car company I'm talking about a company that owns a vehicle in its name.

Holy fuck you ESL. Think I'm talking about suing a car company? Holy fuck this is the biggest ESL moment ever... Why do i even bother with this place?

>>68967256
why is that more likely anon, are YOU a lawyer with a specialization in international law?

>>68967491
It's not cope, the UK is literally an irrelevant jurisdiction so fuck off

>>68967491
The cope is getting better and better. What will nijisisters be saying by the end of the week?

>>68967582
>Why do i even bother with this place?
Cause you don't have friends like the rest of us and bantering with ESLs and retards is the closest thing you can have to some sort of human connection.

>>68967343
>She really couldn't wait for a full approval? Really?
Given how the retarded manager worded his response she may have simply misread it. You do not end a 'do not post this yet' with 'looks good to me.'
>The way she reacted was unstable
She tried to kill herself, no shit she's unstable. If they'd ended this with a simple 'she violated the contract so we terminated her.' We'd be done. People would've bitched, but her fans would've subbed to Doki and that'd be that. Instead they released 3 pages accusing her of everything under the sun. Said they dismissed her claims of being harassed without saying they'd investigated the claims. Then trotted up 3 livers who already suspected of being involved in some high school tier mean girls clique and claim she tried to dox them with a sealed legal document.
But you're a bootlick bugman and can't understand disproportionate response. Whomever 'wronged' first will always be in the wrong, because any violation of the rules is a capital crime in your retard nation.

>>68967280
Ikr She hasn't even done anything under UK jurisdiction.

>>68966937
I'm not Vox, I used to like him back when he made content other than grooming chinese girls but that time has long since past, I'm just not sure Selen could sue the fucker, she'll destroy niji if she wants to if she has evidence for even half of the shit the company has already admitted to.

>>68967717
Between the baiting dramafags, esl, etc. This place is extremely boring these days it's the same crap. It's just boring. I've been away from this place for the past 6 months it only came back. Not worth it.

>>68967582
Nta, but I knew exactly what you meant. Your hypothetical is equally as retarded no matter if you were talking about a car manufacturer or the company that owns the car you're driving.

>>68967491
>Quoting laws from irrelevant countries
Yes but why?

>>68967586
No, just some stupid former-wagie who saw cases similar to this from the sidelines. I don't know the minutae involved but I did see brits compelled to testify in American courts during Civil suits.

>>68967491
Vox is gonna be busy with Reimu no time for lawsuit
seethe

>>68967378
Google Tony Blair and go down that rabbit hole.

>>68967877
I said it a supposed to go and I'll say it again it's not about her versus the other talents. It always will come down to the company. In the company will do everything and everything in its power to not be liable even if it means throwing Eliria in vox under the bus which is honestly what they deserve.

>>68968072
>throwing Eliria in vox
huh?

>>68968018
I wish dearly that i was born in a time where my country wasn't a fucking police state, I was born like 10 days before the towers fell tho so lmao.

>>68967839
Why would you tell lies on the internet? Selencucks are this desperate now? The laws only apply when it fits her narrative lmao

>>68967280
She won't be prosecuted but she can be sued into oblivion

>>68968005
I didn't quote any Canadian law though? meanwhile selencucks be like
>uhnmm actually in the BC sub-french canadian state, chinese housing distrct 7, trudeau zone 8, the employment laws mean Selen wins

>>68968193
>She won't be prosecuted but she can be sued into oblivion
On what grounds? Acting within a commonwealth nation's law?

>>68968189
>I was born like 10 days before the towers fell tho so lmao
I was old enough to remember that day and yet I'm here with you guys talking about anime women being treated like shit by a black company. Shit, don't be like me guys and gals, you still have time to get out of this world.

>>68968072
Judging by how well they've handled this situation already I can absolutely see them throwing their most popular remaining streamers under the bus and then getting fucked by BC corporate law anyway, lmao.

>>68968320
No, I'm probably older than you. I'm stuck.

>>68968193
Look how desperate nijiniggers are getting. This has been the funniest thing to happen to vtubing.

>>68968193
>She won't be prosecuted but she can be sued into oblivion
Yeah and it will get thrown out every single time as a frivolous case.

>>68968370
If you're over 35 sure lmao.

>>68967679
I'm betting "#UnitedNations #ICC help us" tier.
Talking about Selen breaking the 10 Commandments week after.

>>68968193
If you think A Canadian citizen working in Canada for Japanese company has to respect made up UK laws you are fucking retarded.
Vox is free to sue niji though if he wants.

>>68968518

>>68968556
So are you or are you not? Guessing from that post you're not. Yeah IT IS TOO LATE FOR ME. LOOK AT ME, THIS IS YOU IN THE FUTURE! ARGUING OVER THE INTERNET ABOUT ANIME WOMEN.

>>68967091
>I guess you can do it but it won't be admitted to court
Maybe not EU court, but you fuckers are still denying Canada entry into that so you are shit out of luck.

>>68968637
I'm less than a year short.

>>68968719
ITS TOO LATE FOR US

>>68967803
>simply misread it
Then that's on her, but nope, this isn't the first case of her not following rules but just want to act however the fuck she wants
>the rest of your paragraph
And did you stop to think why they had to do this? They're not allowed to defend themselves now when their name is always being driven to the ground? God maybe your nation could use some tact and follow your own rules and laws for once so you don't get crushed there with your soaring inflation, insane house pricing, retards ALWAYS taking advantage of retards because "fuck rules", and woke pedos grooming children to cut their dicks off

>>68968774
>And did you stop to think why they had to do this?
THAT'S THE FUCKING POINT! THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO DO ANY OF THIS!

>>68967110
Happy that her lawyer had foreseen this happening. So are more prepared to legally retaliate.

It's notable that the recording started with the AR incident. When Anycolor initiated the abandonment of NijiEN. With the lies to both the talents and fans, and the growing toxicity among them.

>>68968703
I thought UK isn't part of the EU anymore what's the use of bringing EU to what UK law is? Also yeah isn't that a good thing? Canada not being allowed to be fucked like that means the laws separating the whole places are still separated. Selen still has every right to work within that law.

>>68967091
As far as I know, there's something called dualist court in the uk, if this whole recording fiasco goes to the court, it will happen under canadian and the uk law.
Yeah, there's a risk behind using it as evidence in the uk, Doki herself might know this beforehand from her lawyer. But to say that it won't be admitted to court, I don't think so.

>>68968854
Nope; she wants a fight? She's got one. Keep simping and I hope you victim mentality retards truly off yourselves, along with Selen. The world could use less snowflakes like you

>>68968541
Vox is free to sue Selen.

>>68968404
Why would it? Recording others is illegal under UK law. How GDPR affects an EU/UK citizen's data is global. It doesn't matter where the data is transmitted (Canada in this case), the same regulation applies.

>>68968967
She won't even try it because she knows she will be sued. She may be from a family of wealthy chinks but even they can't bankroll 2+ lawsuits at once

>>68959733
>NOOOO IT WAS ALL A MENHERA EPISODE, DON'T TRUST HERRR!
>NOOOO SHE'S A MANIPULATIVE BITCH WHO PLANNED FOR ALL THIS!!!!

>>68969100
I'm just glad NijiEN is burning to the ground because it makes bugmen like you angry.

>>68965788
This recording is from a year ago where all of NijiEN banded together to shit on management after the AR live cancellation. Vox said he was willing to graduate with Selen in solidarity as a way to stick the finger to management. Then he finds out Selen was wearing a wire and was recording what he said to use him as Exhibit 0.5 in a court document without his knowledge.

Somehow Vox is the snake. I wonder how Doki feels knowing this money twisted the narrative so hard without her doing anything

>>68969126
>why would it? Recording others is illegal under UK law
Answer me this 2 questions.
1. Where does Selen/Doki live
2. What laws does Selen/Doki adhere to?

You keep saying UK law but humor me and answer me the two questions.

>>68960554
Delusional levels of cuckoldry. A literal uncle tom.

>>68969164
And meanwhile, you will kill yourselves in the end

>>68969394
Your bugman country laps mine in suicide rates. Keep coping.

>>68969264
>Vox said he was willing to graduate with Selen in solidarity as a way to stick the finger to management.
surely we can believe this

>>68969440
You don't even know where I'm from retard, but everybody knows where you're from, muh freedom mutt. Keep cutting off your dicks and you'll catch up to Japan soon enough