/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Her work visa is being held hostage by Niji, she literally can't disobey them if she wants any chance of not getting kicked out of Japan.

>>68962843
She's been a cunt over Selen being given a dragon model and being tied to her lore. That's it, that's what she's been angry about, for fucking years.

Vox is worried about the dox because he's white, and doesn't want to deal with the flood of yellowface accusations for using a strongly Genshin inspired model.

Ike's just a faggot that will go along with whatever Vox says

>>68962843
The bully cries out as she strikes you

I could believe she was held at gunpoint by the poojet management if it wasn't for the fact that she's in the bully document, so probably extreme hubris and not "reading the room" correctly so to speak, passive-aggresive bullies thinking they can double down.
The other two faggots for sure did it on their own because faggotry is a mental disease

>>68963147
Is it really just that? She didn't like having another dragon girl being more popular than her??

>>68962843
They're either just worried that nijiEN is going to tank and all the time and money they spent building their characters and the branch is ultimately going to be gone

That or they're implicit in the bullying and wanted to beat Selen to the punch by publicly ganging up on her, all the while trying to come off as the victims and not vindictive at all

Either way the reason is desperation if you're not allowed to say retardation, because realistically they're both

She seriously thought she had enough clout with the EN community to pull it off, that's all. The only people who actually care about her opinions on this matter outside of a small handful of fence-sitting Pomudachis are women and Japs, who already made up their mind.

>>68962843
>I just keep letting me down
>Letting me down
>Letting me down

>>68962843
She was mentioned in the document. She was either the ringleader of the bullying, or saw 3+ of her friends being put in the line of fire. On top of that, if NijiEN falls, it's her somewhat cushy job that'll be gone.

It was an easy decision for her, really. Like a trolley dillema, but you already hate the person tied to the tracks. She just didn't expect it to blow on her face like this.

>>68962843
>saw her name on the documents
>got scared
>try to play victim and cover your ass
i believe that was her (retarded) reasoning

>>68964594
Are you JUST learning that women are extremely petty cretures, anon?

>>68962843
Selen is wrecking her company, she thought she was in the right and may even be.

>>68965179
Now she's the one partaking in the wrecking, funny eh?

>>68962843
Because she's a bully that gets off on taking potshots at people and didn't think straight when she saw that she was specifically listed on the legal documents

>>68964953
It's just such an unbelievably petty reason to completely destroy your own career over. Because at this point, Elira will never be able to move on even if she graduates unless some really damning evidence comes out to exonerate her.

I don't really see what's difficult to understand. There probably was some pressure from management to spin something, but at the end of the day they probably thought that releasing what they did would put them in a better light.

They probably didn't think about the implications of talking about a document that was supposed to be private, or the implications of mentioning that specific talents were named in the bullying allegations. And they probably thought that showing that Selen didn't receive complete permission to release it would exonerate Nijisanji at least a little.

The whole spiel about being potentially doxxed and being worried about that is a perfect example of no forethought. In what way was that video going to prevent that and how is that a justification for releasing it? Zero thought.

>>68965338
See>>68965308

>>68964842
> So she's retarded

I trust wiwa

>>68965338
Don't get it twisted anon, it is dumb, but it is also perfectly fitting for the company. I think in NijiJP there was this intense feud between Roa and Meiro, and one of the main points of contention was that Meiro apparently used Roa's catchphrase.
You have to remember that this entire hobby revolves around dealing with mentally ill men and women, both as fans and as streamers. Do not expect to find logic or reason here, or else you'll get a migrane.

>>68965338
>>68965516
You have to understand, they all thought it'd work, and most people woruld be on their side, like with Zaion. The people from NijisanjiEN are surprised that the public they flirted with for so long - the cancelation twitter lefty weirdos - would turn on them like this.

Management fed her a very biased and selective story about how Selen was breaking the rules, was suing the company, had named her in the lawsuit, and was threatening to leak the material to the public now that she had returned as Doki. They then handed her a statement and said it would stop the harassment, 100% just trust us bro.

It looks very, very dumb and a shitty thing to do but look at it from her perspective: Selen was about to ruin her life and she had one chance to get ahead of it and with corporate backing. She had/had no loyalty to Selen because she thought Selen betrayed her already.

She lacked critical information and didn’t read the room that opinion had completely shifted to Doki’s side against Niji so the management backing would paint her in the worst possible light rather than her absolve management.

>>68962843
She might actually be an assistant manager, and had input on not just candidates for waves, but on how to handle the PR for EN.

>>68965897
She should quit her job then if she's that awful at it

>>68962843
My HYTE case was cancelled, she is at fault. I want blood. Something like that?

>>68965836
or maybe she just had a woman moment. Occam's razor and all that.

>>68962843
She's one the bullies listed in lawsuit.
She knows she won't be hired anywhere if NijiEN collapse.

>>68962843
She's genuinely scared of her info being in a legal document because she actually committed workplace harassment and has some tangible amount of guilt. She's trying to attack before her boat sinks completely, but it's already late

>>68963147
Why did the two have similar models and lore in the first place? I don't follow that stuff closely.

>>68965338
don't be so certain about that anon, the fact that the vtuber industray has this gay bullshit about "past lives" and "kayfabe" means that talking about the previous jobs a vtuber had is entirely verboten. they could have literally killed cats and bragged about it online (something an indie vtuber actually did do) and you cannot bring it up because that's "doxxing" and "breaking kayfabe" to bring it up to their fans or in public.

It's the worst part and protects people like this so she will 100% run off, tweak her voice, and return as a streamer in a diffferent format.

>>68965466
The lack of thought, if it is a management mandated statement, also highlights the fact that they've essentially now fully involved their other livers and thrown them to the wolves. This is one of the worst series of PR moves I've ever seen.

>>68965783
It worked for Zaion because they actually had a list of credible shit to present and maintained some appearance of professionalism during that whole bullshit, to the point of even Zaion actually saying that she indeed fucked up on at least half of what was said

Doki's whole case is that managers are retarded, and Elira and the clique are at least as retarded as them since every single move from them were the worst shit to do when someone go to the suicide event

Seeing what happened since the termination announcement, unless being incredibly fucking dumb, no one will make me think that this was an actually calculated move
Hence
> So she's retarded

>>68965836
I could believe this, but what kind of idiotic PR team would ever sign off on that stream hours before the CEO was about to dogeza and apologize for everything.

>>68962843
Either they threatened to get her visa canceled if she spoke up or quit... or she's jumping ahead of the curve to try and damage control cause she's afraid that people are gonna find out she's connected to the bullying.

>>68962843
I don't want to spread rrats, but the fact that THEY felt like they needed to make this statement implies that they are part of this drama.

>>68962843
She's staying true to her lore

BRAVO KOJIMA
R
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V
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>>68966135
Lore-wise they're half sisters. In reality they're probably each other's last choice if they were asked which Lazusydia members they got along with.

>>68965897
I fully believe this one, talents managing talents would explain so much of the fuckery that's been going on. I can't imagine being so assblasted by my coworker going over the heads of my shitty middle managers, if anything I'd think she's based for it even if she is kind of menhera. Unless of course I am the management.

>>68966335
Niji management is full of nippon brainlets, fuckers can't even send an nda with the proper name on it correctly.

>>68966319
It's this. Zaion was retarded, said stupid shit and got kicked out because of it.

Selen by all appearances played by the rules, even their best '''evidence''' is an example of a manager not doing their FUCKING JOB and gave them ample opportunities to resolve this quietly.

>>68966135
Lore has them as half sibling and we're drawn by the same artist. They basically have nothing in common and before today the rats were they either hated each other or ignored each other existed

>>68966465
So they never got along to begin with? Selen wasn't a huge Elira fan or anything? They just randomly decided those two out of all the others are gonna be linked?

>>68962843
She was trying to get ahead of a big info drop from Doki. She just made herself look worse and outted herself as a bully

>>68962843
Her retarded ass couldn't stay shut. She's been distant to Selen for the longest time and now we can see a reason as of why. She's incredibly petty and will always side with her cunt friend Enna and with Millie the retarded follower. She saw the opportunity to bring down Doki by throwing whatever is left of her fans and nijibootlickers at her. "I'm going to shit all over Selen but don't go harass her okay?" shameless attempt at covering her ass playing the victim knowing fully well the reaction the stream will cause. Doki never brought up the bullying in public before niji and never gave names to defuse the situation but now I hope she pulls up the receipts and burns all the members who sided with her sister.

>>68966631
Oh, okay it was the model-makers idea since they made both.

>>68962843
They were desperate and management took advantage of that and pressured them to do the video. Or they, and the rest of the entire branch like they claimed, are really just against Selen. I think those are the only two possible reasons. I think it would be nice if we could get to hear the other livers' opinions on this matter (them retweeting Elira's tweet wasn't enough) but I doubt anyone else except Selen and the management will make statements from now on (unless of course Selen actually drops the receipts with names)

>>68966265
Bullies either get ignored as 2views or get openly mocked everytime they dare to show their faces ala Sio.

>>68966740
>Implying it wasn't managements idea to get them to fight each other

>>68966740
Basically yes. They just never got a long/never really interacted after more waves devuted

>>68966671
But doki seemed like she was going to move on. If she was gonna drop receipts, wouldn't she have done it after being fired and before saying that it's her last work on the matter and not to harass anyone. It would be weird if she dropped a doc after that, and she had no way of knowing that niji was about to make such a huge unforced error to give her a reason to post receipts. I just don't buy that she was going to until yesterday

All the girls must be so distraught right now, those guys got some easy pipes to lay.

>>68965179
Selen is NijiEN management?
She is also, as of yesterday, Elira, Ike and Vox?

If no one graduates this week, then it's confirmed management has some form of blackmail keeping everyone in line right?

She's in Japan, right? She can read and write Japanese? She probably looked around her at all the Japanese support she was getting and thought "I can take her out with one good hit" and miscalculated the EN audience. That and her manager, to save his own ass, convinced her that it would be a great idea so it takes heat off of management.

>>68966622
No, not this. Zaion was railroaded and you fucks let it happen with no blow back. But the rest of us saw it and what it meant and that if they did that to her and got away with it then they'd do it again because they would genuinely believe they'd get away with it again. And they did. The only difference is you watched Selen. That's it.

>>68962843
Selen has proof that Elira, Millie, and Enna were the ones who bullied her. This was an (unsuccessful) attempt to destroy Selen’s credibility before she exposes them.

>>68967009
Scarle's gone after Kyo.

>>68964594
No, it's just something he made up. You should know better than to ask /vt/ to tell you stories.

>>68966931
Once again Nijisanji is their own worst enemy.

>>68966931
She wasn’t but the important thing is that they thought she would. Vox is scared as fuck about someone recording his voice chat. I also love how she threw Millie under the bus.

>>68964772
god DAMN I love her tits

>>68966135
Niji came up with the bright idea of tying two completely unrelated people's lore together

>>68967025
The only difference is Selen is likeable, and Zaion isn't. Maybe Zaion should have tried being less of an Elon dickrider

>>68966631
I think Selen probably looked forward to working with her, the fact that they had a model from the same Mama probably gave her plenty of lore ideas to work with. The problem is that it seemed like Elira did not seem to reciprocate at all, I genuinely don't remember what one on one collabs they even had outside of Battleducks. And this wasn't when there was more members around either, the two barely collabed even when there was only 6 people.

>>68967009
No.
None of the people left have the passion for projects Selen and Pomu had.
All this means is they were complicit in the bullying by staying, because even with the 2% cut their jobs are cushy.

>>68967015
I'm not sure in what world do you look at the playing field from Elira's end and think "I got this. Selen is done once I take the stage." There are so many factors and written testimony already that damages the company's own narrative. She has to be some next level of retarded if she thought she was gonna come out of this looking pretty and I hope her dad is disappointed in her.

>>68962843
Her roommate usually dunked on people for the most petty reasons you can think of alongside Not Millie and Not Enna.
It's no surprise that once she joined Niji she immediately went turbo with Nepohires and bullying those who didn't "bow" to her desires. By that we mean follow whatever she says and go in the direction she tells them to go and what not to do.
There's also the fact that she likely WAS THE UNOFFICIAL EN MANAGER for most of early NIJIEN if the ESL or even zero English manager rrats were true. Which means that she was communicating all to the JP managers for a while because no one else was fluent or influential enough to talk sense into them, and we know she's an S class manipulator. And right now might still have some power over management.
She lacks the capability to reflect on her actions properly because her bully, clique and whatnot bullshit tactics always made her come out on top. Problem is that she was never into so much of a spotlight as of right now.
Once she saw the documents, she probably shit bricks and decided to hastily make a document with the guy with all the Fujos and the dude who apparently did nothing wrong to clean her image.
It's clear she still can't understand that, there's no running away from this. The only actual 100% easy way out was to dogeza to Selen and either graduate or expose all the BS she did to NIJI upper management in full detail while taking all the blame. In these scenarios, the best way to minimize damage and probably save your ass is to expose yourself. Perhaps not to the world but to your employer.
Enna and Millie might not be getting out of this one unscathed anymore tho.

>>68965338
A reminder, FUCKING FROOT is popular

She was retarded. It's that simple.

>>68967242
Selen mentioned management shooting down ideas she had for a few collab streams between the two of them and from there she just gave up on it

>>68967009
Marie, Scarle, Vivi, will all probably get out asap. That is if some fucker doesn't cut the graduation line again just to escape the heat. Kyo is a cheeky mother fucker, but that was probably the best play he made since his debut.

>>68967025
Pretty much, the only difference between Selen and Zaion is that Zaion was pretty much a newbie and Selen have 3 years building audience

>>68967242
They just don't like each other. Idk why people try to make it anymore complicated than that.

>>68966824
The only two convincing narratives that make everything make sense that I've seen so far are either 1) selen is actually a complete psycho and elira was right or 2) talents managing talents and the EN branch basically being cut off from JP management and self governing.
I just can't buy 1) because if that were the case, she had ample opportunity to go scorched earth but instead it was always niji management torching themselves and throwing the livers under the bus for no reason, which kind of makes doki look innocent and sincere about wanting to just move on regardless of how menhera she actually was or if she broke the rules. Whereas suddenly things make a lot more sense if the insane are running the asylum, and Selen's issues with management were also issues with livers because they're effectively one and the same, which would explain the initial termination statement, the reason they're so assblasted, the reason they're so scared of what doki could drop, and the general unprofessionalism and disorganization

>>68967425
Well she has a hot voice/accent and a fappable model so simps would still be over her. I get it, I try not to be enticed by the she devil that's why I try not to watch her, same for Veibae lmao. I'm a coomer but I can stop myself from gooning to those type of women.

>>68967388
The part that throws me off about her supposed bitch side, is how much Pomu seems to adore her. Like I can't believe fully that lazulight unity was just for kayfabe, you gotta actually enjoy someone as a person to go to the fucking antarctic with them. I want to say that Pomu has lived enough to be a better judge of character than that, but she also has her weaknesses, so I don't know. Just hard to swallow that she would love someone who essentially had a big hand in killing the culture of a company she loved.

>>68966135
Pretty sure it was a failed marketing gimmick. "Oh look we have blood-related active vtubers! Wonder what they'll get up to?". Thing is, NijiEN didn't seem to actually care about chemistry. They probably just gave Selen her part because her personality contrasted with Elira's. Yet because the now very clear lack of chemistry, the interesting interactions they were probably banking on never happened. That's why the idea ultimately got mogged by vtubers who just invite actually siblings on their streams and the eventual magnum opus of the gimmick, FuwaMoco. Even Kobo and Altare sold a better sibling dynamic, despite sharing Elira and Selen's background of actually being unrelated, and that shit wasn't even planned.

>>68967388
It's absolutely funny to me that she was like a saint to many people a few days ago.

>>68967584
>she broke rules and had a public meltdown and attempted to kill herslef but surely she wasn't a psycho behind the scenes
No one in or OUT of Niji has publicly backed her aside from Zaion and Yugo btw.
Psychos are perfectly capable of shutting up when they need to

EN was a mistake

>>68967631
Pomu is literally in Japan with her right now you know. Maybe Elira just really isn't as bad as others might have you think.

>>68967631
Pomudachi are growing too parasocial.
Pomu was my oshi too and to me undeniably the best talent the goddamn company had. A blast to see and interact with on stream.
That being said she is only showing a fraction of who she is. And even then, she is human. She has faults. I would not put fault on her for not knowing this side of Elira, or thinking things would be this bad.
Enjoy Pomu for who she is, but don't worship her. If you just push your headcanon and infatuations onto Pomu's character you're going to be very, very disappointed, for something that is very much a you problem.
Just my 2 cents.

>>68962843
She never grew up and understood what it meant to view people as people.

That's it.

>>68967631
Honestly, Pomu seems like she refused to accept that things weren't as she believed them to be until that last bit of the previous year. I guess realizing your friend is that much of an asshat will finish off you already mind broken psyche due to all the Nijisanji cancellations and whatnot.

>>68967956
>Pomu is literally in Japan with her right now
>"I'm meeting with some people..."
>"...no, they are not the ones you think..."
Leave Pomu out of this.

>>68967956
Elira had a gun to her head. If not, what if Pomu was part of the clique and she left when they started to turn on her. You know how cliques are, step out of line from what the queen bee says and you're done.

>>68967956
>Pomu is literally in Japan with her right now
She pretty much explicitly said the opposite.

>>68965759
Specifically, Meiro used Roa's accent that was her own accent but modified (with influence of a close friend) to be part of her lore, Meiro tried to exploit how closely Roa felt about that to get under her skin, and then when Roa reached out about it Meiro tried to use their messages to pretend that Roa which everyone pretty much saw as a saint, was bullying her kouhai over having the same accent as her, which did damage her reputation, and popularized Meiro for a while, which obviously stopped when people ended up realizing that Roa and by extension Meiro's accent that Meiro said was just from the same region, couldn't be tracked to any place as it simply wasn't a regional accent at all
Meiro showed "evidence" of being harassed over something that to any one person would sound completely irrelevant, but the person who planned the whole thing and tried damaging the other's reputation was her, she wasn't thorough enough to actually check if the accent existed so she was caught in her lies, but it could've gone very differently if she picked anything else, Nijisanji was nuts letting someone like her in

>>68967956
>Maybe Elira just really isn't as bad as others might have you think.
Its that, or it raises even more questions, like how much Pomu knew behind the scenes. This whole situation paints every single NijiEN talent, past and present into a corner, because now the genie is out of the bottle. You'll never be able to know how much of their on-stream personalities are just acts or cold calculated.

>>68966319
More than that. Zaion's termination came early when Niji's reputation was still pretty okay, while Selen's came at a time when Niji's PR is already in freefall. On top of that, Zaion was a relatively new hire, and had very little clout or connections in the vtubing space, so her words had little impact. Selen was literally one of the pillars of NijiEN's success, had a huge following and connections throughout the industry, and has a stellar reputation. Her words have weight in the community as a result.

This souds like anyother wokplace drama where majority of workers are women. Some woman gets hots for dude but dude ignores her feelibgs so she starts to expel her frustration to some random woman that she deems inferior. Then she spouts nonsence to her friend group and catching few dumb white knights to bully that other woman that can notdefend herself anyway from these false statements

Watching Pomudachis refusing to accept their oshi is just as dirty for the next six months is going to be hilarious.
[Insert Ringo image here]

>>68967778
The thing is that at this point, it's more like EVEN IF she is as psycho as sisters claim, it was still niji torching themselves over and over again, she didn't even do anything. All the most damning information came out of niji's own mouth whilst doki has actually just been trying to move on and keeping her mouth shut until yesterday.

>Selen ignored management communications and when confronted claims its bullying

Someone is lying.

At what point do you just accept that Elira is a shitty person, and it's no coincidence that Enna and Millie were her long-time friends. Birds of a feather.

>>68963068
fpbp

>>68967956
Pomu is in Japan for school. She literally did homework on twitter space today

>>68968274
If she turns out to be psycho, it would exonerate vox, ike, and the clique I guess since it would mean she probably was actually using the threat of doxxing via legal docs as leverage.
But yeah, I don't think anything can really save EN at this point.

The funniest part of the whole thing for me was they gave the 'harassment is bad and we don't condone it' talk as if they genuinely expected people to go and harass Selen in anger and ended up being the ones getting harassed themselves

>>68965179
>Selen is wrecking her company
She is the holy light that will finally strike down that castle of lies and abuse that is Nijishit

>>68967631
Wasn't pomu a business lady before this. She was probably used to playing office politics and was simply more professional about the kayfabe

>>68962843
Elira implicated herself as one of the bullies.
Vox is butthurt that Selen recorded him without his knowledge
Not sure about Ike.

>>68965836
>100% just trust us bro.
>lacked critical information
If I had an atom of gold for every time this happened in the history of humanity...

>>68968744
Inb4 Ike hit on Selen and is afraid to get Metoo'd

There are a lot of skeletons coming out.

>>68968667
I think at this point, at the very most it's both. There's just no interpretation that fits all the facts where niji is completely exonerated anymore. At most it's "selen was in fact actually menhera and no one liked her but we still were grossly unprofessional and showed obvious favoritism." And depending on what receipts come out, there's still a strong possibility of total doki victory

The nature of this type of stream in conjunction with every other member tweeting out the stream as if they were personally involved is completely transparent as a 100% management-motivated action. I can't comment on what they said being consistent with their characters since I don't watch any of them, but it's very obvious this was mandated.
Also no clue why these 3 in particular were tagged or what their personal relationships were to Selen. Are they the most popular NijiEN's left?

IKE IS INNOCENT
HE AGGRESSIVELY TURNED THE PAGE SO EVERYONE COULD UNDERSTAND THEY WERE BEING FORCED TO READ THE STATEMENT

>>68968744
"Ike you gotta go help out they love you and if you don't selen is gonna dox elira's address to the mob come on ike that's your senpai we're talkin about you gotta do it it's life or death"

>>68966335
>>68966546
The main Niji management is an army of JP salarymen who half of the time have no idea what they are doing.
The EN branch was colonized by poojeets who ran it into the ground.
It all needs to burn down.

>>68968705
They definitely thought this was going to be a slamdunk and not "le retard de Vox Akuma"

>>68969045
Elira the "daisenpai" of NijiEN and 2 Luxiem.
It's rather clear why those specifically.

>>68968046
Pomu was one of my oshis, but I don't think I ever worshiped her. I know everyone has faults, but she has always come across as pretty sincere in how she behaves and conducts herself. Even in streams and content, there were some lines she wasn't comfortable crossing and wasn't afraid to voice it. It's more so just a strange occurrence and finding the line she toed between really liking Elira's friendship, and turning an eye to what Elira can really be like at her worst, if she was even given any view of it. I'd never fault her for not knowing this side, hell I've been in several friendships that had to end due to similar findings. It just makes the overall picture of who Elira is a little blurry until more comes to light.

It's time to admit every niji liver is an awful human being

>>68966931
>drop receipts
By the way, receipts about what???

>>68963068
While that's not wrong, she basically betrayed a suicidal girl in order to fulfill her weeb dream.
People can put whatever spin they want on it, but in the end of the day, she's a traitor.

>>68969115
Cope.
Doki actively lied about how Ike was bullying her in her lawsuit against Niji.

>>68969045
Elira is rumored to pretty much be the shadow manager of EN for a while and was the most senior remaining talent. Vox is their golden boy. Ike is actually their 3rd most subscribed, 2nd place is Luca who is currently embroiled in a separate scandal. So when you put it that way, that actually makes Ike being there make a lot more sense.

>>68969260
shu would do anything for elira so they should've picked him for luxiem

>>68967425
>FROOT
I have no idea what kind of person she is, but she has a hot voice in collabs.

>>68967956
>Pomu is doing THIS THING!
>Pomu: I am not doing that thing, i'm doing this other thing
>LIAR
>Pomu: *does other thing*
>How could this be???

>>68968667
There is no point where anyone comes out of this clean anon. Everyone’s reputation will be fucked from here on out, people still won’t trust Niji or its talents, fanbases will fracture and turn on each other regardless of the court verdict.

>>68969415
>muh poor suicidal gurl can do no wrong
She's still alive, so her attempt was clearly half-hearted.

>>68969402
we don't know, but she said yesterday she has them and is going to have to release them now after talking with her lawyer.

>>68962843
Purely to ruin Selen’s stream out of spite, i do believe she was too stupid to realize her mistake in releasing confidential information however.

>>68969621
Yeah, I just watched yesterday's short stream. I was wondering what kind of "receipts" she could have

>>68962843
>Doki says she was harassed at Nijisanji.
>Coincidentally schedule a "statement" during a Doki stream when she's just trying to have fun.
>Reveal confidential information from a pending lawsuit to smear her reputation and deflect from her suicide attempt creating a narrative about how she was in the wrong and deserved what happened. Apparently breaking an NDA agreement in the process.
>Imply they are a part of the lawsuit by making the statement on confidential details.
>Doki is not monetizing streams because of this drama.
Doesn't this constitute defamation by the insane Japanese criteria in that they are causing damage to her reputation which is preventing her from conducting business?

NijiChads (Gods of Law):
>Selen's termination was completely righteous. Want proof? Here you go, I can make a copy if you want.
HoloTroons (Barely literate):
>N-nooo, i-it's Niji's fault, they took too long to review the song cover...
>Haha, the situation about the song cover doesn't matter, because...
>i-it's Niji's fault, they were bullying Selen
>Haha, it doesn't matter that there is no proof about them bullying Selen, because...
>i-it's Niji's fault, they leaked Selen's personal information
>Haha, it doesn't matter that we have absolutely no proof that it's been done illegally, because...
>S- selen can sue anyone in the world, in any country
>N-nooo, UK laws don't work on Selen, because she is in Canada

>>68969606
Cheated on her husband that was on military and did a few scams here and there if memory serves me right.

>>68969618
I'm sorry the truth hurts you that you have to cherry pick unrelated things to satisfy the voices in your head.
Unfortunately facts don't care about your opinion, champ.

>>68969618
>her attempt was clearly half-hearted.
She's a woman. That's the best they can do.

>>68964666
Desperate retards sums them up concisely.

DOKI LIVE -- STOP RRATING AND COME SUPPORT HER
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vBwiVLb0do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vBwiVLb0do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vBwiVLb0do

>>68969679
No joke, the Protection of Reuptation Lawsuits in japan can only be filed if you're upper management in a Zaibatsu. You need to be able to show you're worth over 1 bil ish yen, or they get thrown out.

>>68962843
> I am going to say the most obvious reason doesn't count!
Drama overdose.

>>68969759
That's why men have a higher suicide rate, cause with me, when we do shit, we get through with it.

>>68969689
Maybe on planet retard

>>68967009
The graduation queue might be real so we have to see what March has in store for us.

>>68969743
>constantly harp on about how she is suicidal and liken her to a victim of the 3rd Reich
>i-it's the voices in y-your head
No, you mongoloids keep using this to shut down any discussion that she might be full of shit. The only facts here are that she failed to kill herself if she really did try and that she and her favorite starcraft units have been using this fact to claim moral upper ground and demonize her opposition.

>>68969866
I didn't watch Apex shit when she was Selen, I'm not watching it now.

>>68969866
I don't like apex

>>68969964
*cause with men

God, I need some sleep lmao

>>68967778
>No one in or OUT of Niji has publicly backed her aside from Zaion and Yugo btw.
Except the artists she worked with, companies that literally dropped out and removed nijisanji merch, other youtubers and influencers, etc...

>>68969866
Where is Nijisanji black screen counter stream?

>>68969866
>apex
I'm good, thanks

NijiChads (Gods of Law):
>Selen's termination was completely righteous. Want proof? Here you go, I can make a copy if you want.
HoloTroons (Barely literate):
>N-nooo, i-it's Niji's fault, they took too long to review the song cover...
>Haha, the situation about the song cover doesn't matter, because...
>i-it's Niji's fault, they were bullying Selen
>Haha, it doesn't matter that there is no proof about them bullying Selen, because...
>i-it's Niji's fault, they leaked Selen's personal information
>Haha, it doesn't matter that we have absolutely no proof that it's been done illegally, because...
>S- selen can sue anyone in the world, in any country
>N-nooo, UK laws don't work on Selen, because she is in Canada
>M-maybe on p-planet r-retard

>>68969677
Well we know she has vox's recording which must contain something damaging if it was submitted to a legal document. probably more recordings if she has that one. could be discord logs, screenshots, anything really. Definitely evidence of favoritism and incompetent management judging by what we already know, but if she has actual evidence of harassment it'll be over

>>68963147
Vox and Ike fwik were genuine friends with Selen. Them and Pomu were like the only people she somewhat frequently collabed with in NijiEN.
Vox's grievance is understandable if the recorded private conversation thing is true. It is evidence for the lawsuit but it's kind of a shitty thing to do in terms of trust. Him bitching about Luxiem's obvious preferential treatment is retarded though.
Ike was probably just gaslit into believing all this shit. He doesn't even seem like he knows what's going on with how little to say.

Really this incrimnates Elira (and her inner circle) the most. It's on her channel, her name is specifically mentioned in the documents alongside Enna and Millie (the latter of whom is considered the prime suspect in the Selen bullying shit) and unlike Vox and Ike. Her and Selen were never really close on stream.

It's bullying tactics 101, get together with the rest of your group about how you can't be bullies because so and so is your friend. They have to be the one who is wrong.

>>68969606
went into silvervale's harry potter stream, said 'everyone makes mistakes' and donated to a trans charity, trying to farm clout from twitter targeting silver for playing bad woman's game

>>68967631
Pomu was always too nice.

>>68970354
This.

>>68970354
God your so right. I love that about you, anon.

Maybe if you post it again it'll be funny the third time

I really liked Elira, Vox, and Ike. But this shit is indefensible to me.

Even if given the absolute most generous reading I can muster, that video was clearly an attempt at sympathy and character assassination in one go. Selen could have been the most awful coworker and friend to these people and she still comes out looking more mature because she actually knows when to shut up and keep matters private.

The Vox/Ike/Elira video just comes off as emotionally manipulative and vindictive, and it was completely unprompted AND scheduled at the same time as Doki's first gaming stream. I loved those streamers and I really wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt, but I just can't understand why the fuck they would air out their personal beef like that except if they wanted petty validation. They should have kept quiet like Doki did. Now they've implicated themselves to potentially having a hand in harassment.

Even in the case that the harassment allegations are false, trying to cover your ass in the court of public opinion just looks unprofessional as shit. I lost a lot of respect for all of them, Vox in particular. I understand being recorded without consent is upsetting and we can argue all we want about whether or not it was morally wrong or legal, but saying this in public only serves the purpose of trying to make Doki look bad. Your personal issues with your friends should be kept private especially regarding legal matters, and your beef with your coworker ought to be handled either by HR or in court.

Most of the public was on the side of the talents regardless of their hate for Nijisanji until this point. They need to stop firing shots because they keep shooting themselves instead while all Doki has to do is calmly respond to look like the bigger person.

>>68968168
The way Pomu talks, it seems like she is very naive.
You can see that she tries to get along with everyone, but I'm not sure if they felt the same way about Pomu.

>>68970354
yeh vox has a legitimate reason to be upset even if her recording that stuff was legal and what she had to do for evidence. same reason I don't begrudge matara for blocking sayu. depending on the contents of the recording though, they could be damning for vox in which case it's classic damage control. we just have to wait and see.

>>68968667
court of public opinion is already against NijiEN. There's no hope for them. Best they can do is release themselves of all haters and keep their core base.

>>68970287
you can think Selen deserved to be terminated because she was retarded and still think that she was bullied and niji management are all retards

>>68966265
I fully blame KFPs for all the ”doxx” bullshit.

>>68969866
i don't even like apex but fine, i don't have anything better to fill in rn

>>68969866
I honestly enjoy rrating more than watching her streams.

>>68970112
Anon, are you aware that all that info came directly from the opposition first?

>>68970112
The facts are that she's a schizo, the company is retarded, and you're retarded. Whatever she did or does doesn't change the fact that Nijisanji management has clearly been a shithole for years like most jap companies. Even if she's full of shit they haven't even attempted to prove her wrong at all and instead dug their grave deeper like retards. Please shut the fuck up and find something to kill yourself with quickly.

>>68962843
Just watch her debut stream, it's easy to understand. She's fully commited to Nijisanji. I don't know if she has a grudge against Hololive or something.

Literally all they had to do was say "We hope Selen succeeds in her future endeavors, We hope you'll continue to support us." And it would have been a perfect lead in to the Riku video but they had to try and double the fuck down then triple down when the fucking NijiEN tweeted
>It's ok pinky promise...We investigated ourselves and found no evidence of wrong doings.

>>68970148
you're not really helping your point right now
But statistically women and me commit suicide at similar rates but men have more success

>>68970966
This all happened because they wouldn’t let her have her last cup of fucking coffee, purely out of spite.

>>68970723
This is why I made the thread, it's just something that even in the most generous interpretation was a complete disaster and self-destructive, so I'm just trying to find any alternative explanation that makes sense beyond "they are drooling retards" or "they are the most spiteful and vindictive people imaginable willing to tank their own reputation just to sneak in a burn on someone they hate"

It's just a situation where literally doing nothing would have been exponentially better than everything they did but yet they still went out of their way to do it anyway, and there has to be some motivation

>>68962843
sacrificial lamb
she is the jesus of nijiEN

>>68969866
Is Niji about to drop a new video?

>>68962843
The 15min thingy sounded great when they discussed it in their echo chamber, they really though they got the "gocha" needed to flip the narrative, until it wasn't.

>>68971250
To decrease their stocks again? probably not.

>>68971186
They don’t want any other talents to get any bright ideas. Selen is already close to Elira’s sub count, this can easily create the impression that you don’t need corps like NijiEN anymore, sparking a mass exodus.

>>68962843
it's incredible how noone realizes OP is just NijiEN's staff or even Elira herself looking for a way to not lose her viewers or being forced to leave the internet once NijiEN implodes and she doesn't have the backing of a billionare company to do and fund the damage control to the public for her

>>68971381
if you honestly think a mass exodus isn't already underway, you're insane
we're gonna be getting graduations and terminations as quick as they can commission new models and hook up new merch deals

>>68966335
One that read the declaration and thought that it didn't put blame in management and thus protected their interests; same as the legal time that allegedly read it and didn't realize it implied that they broke confidentiality by showing it to the streamers.
It's hard to believe how dumb or careless they'd have to be for this, but it's that second point that gives me SOME space to trust that Elira et al might be ignorant and shortsighted rather than malicious

>>68971386
I am literally a doki member you drooling retard. I just want to know what could possibly lead someone to self destruct so spectacularly

>>68971327
They thought they would get a W so big they would crush her stream, which is why the released the video to be out at the same time as her first stream.
That's a massive prove of how confident they were in that piece.

>>68962843
shes a spiteful bitch

>>68971386
Honestly, that would be the most intelligent thing they've done regarding this whole situation if it was true.

>>68970199
being polite to people you are paying to do something doesent mean u act that way with actual stress on you behind the scenes

>companies that literally dropped

HYTE dropped niji due to the massive PR disaster they are going through. I doubt the HYTE people know anything more then us

>other youtubers

anyone who actually knows selen? or just dramafags

>>68968667
A genuine question: will the opinions be changed if the receipts from Selen show that she was just menhera and overthinking

>>68970354
I 100% believe Elira. And there is no coping here, if Elira is right, then Selen is wrong. Selen is gonna play with Gumi today and Gumi basically confirmed them all as bullies. I do not for a second believe Selen here and I think she is full of shit and being manipulative, I think she forced everyone's hands with threats behind the scenes and is now playing the victim pretending she just want to be quiet. Time will prove me right, I hope you get fucked dragoons and I anxiously wait how you're gonna regret your words and actions when your osshi is exposed for the menhera bitch she is.

>>68971630
but i just cant imagine any western person believing this would be the own they seemed to think it was, which makes me think there was management involvement. Because showing that she technically broke a petty rule and therefore was in the wrong just reeks of a japanese mindset, whereas any english speaker should know that western fans don't give a fuck about workplace disobedience and rule breaking and instead judge things on the grounds of moral right and competence over blind obedience. Like it's so obvious that those screenshots would just make Selen look based in the eyes of the average EN fan for not taking shit from management's autism

>>68971921
So we went from "No one" to "Some did but is doesn't count"?

>>68971955
t. elira

>>68971934
yes but it still won't exonerate nijiEN, at this point they've fucked up and shown their hand so much that at best both parties are in the wrong. But if the receipts are nothingburgers it also would lower my opinion of doki

>>68967631
As it stands, I'll believe Pomu to have been a 3rd party who really just wanted everyone to get along in the field of work she loved. Especially considering how, despite management fucking her over, she still put some responsibility on herself in the end for not being able to do the things she thought she could have. One of those things being to keep all the livers on good terms, I'd imagine. This may seem unrelated, but indie vtuber Grimmi in her comeback stream after declining a corpo job (may or jot have been NijiEN) was sadly imploring vtubers could just get along. I feel Pomu had a similar attitude, but unfortunately for her she actually got to live the experience and face the reality of some people/relationships being unreconcilable.

>>68972048
i never said no one.

>>68972281
You might not have said, but the post I replied to clearly stated
>>68967778
>No one in or OUT of Niji

>>68971955
that would be some 4d chess shit that is hard for me to buy. she had no way of knowing niji was about to make the biggest unforced error of all time for no reason, and 90% of the controversy in general stemmed from a series of other unforced niji self-owns.

>68969689
Not even a courtesy (you) at this point

>>68962843
Because she is right and Selen is a liar. Funny how yesterday she was like "I have the receipts!" and now it's "I need my safe space apex no super chats or I will cry"

When are you room temp retards going to realize you were finessed?

>>68967778
Doki is clearly playing 5D chess forcing Niji's hand to make all the worst possible PR choices.

>>68972444
>I have reciepts
before talking to lawyer
>I'm not sharing that info
talked to lawyer and lawyer said to shut up and leave it in court

>>68972444
"my lawyer is currently still reviewing the documents" - doki like 15 minutes ago
it takes time, she called him after business hours last night and it's been like half a business day since. If she never drops anything after a week Ill update my opinion, or if they're all nothingburgers. I'm currently waiting for evidence before making up my mind on doki, but Elira and Niji fucked up even if Selen was as menhera as sisters claim.

>>68972362
>68969689
ah i c

well, it would mean a lot to meif a true third party with involvement would say something. Pomu, mysta, nina. someone who was just her coworker/friend and isnt involved with Niisanji instead of someone who did business with her

>>68972444
You write this as if the company (and probably the people involved) didn't just released a statement saying she has receipts.

>>68971934
Drones will claim so, but even if someone is an unlikeable menhera it doesn't excuse bullying them, and the termination notice + subsequent events were just awful in every conceivable way. Management have done quite literally everything they shouldn't have done here.

>>68962843
she had it out from the start

>>68972444
She still have the receipts, she was hurt because how spiteful and vile were the whole thing.

>>68972444
Maybe because, different from nijisanji, she actually has a decent lawyer that says
>do not make a single peep before I review this shit or you can end up shooting your own foot, and no sane person wants that

>>68963068
don't Canadians not need visas in Japan?

>>68972444
>Funny how yesterday she was like "I have the receipts!"
I mean, on elira's video they confirmed selen has the receipts...
So at least that wasn't a lie

>>68972406
The controversy was mostly fueled by Niji, you're right. But Niji made those statements addressing Selen's allegations and threats, they decided to go public before she could. Definetely a bad move, but nothing that makes it impossible for her to have used things in her favor and forcing the situation.

Fuck bros why did she have to be so hot ain't no more fanart gonna be drawn now

>>68972444
based trips
Selen is in full panic mode lmao
she's about to get exposed as the insane BPDemon schizo freak that she is.

>>68973013
Oh don't worry, there will still be fanart drawn of her if you know what I mean.

Every post about the doki chimpout is extremely faggy posts shitting on Elira and defending Vox and Ike.
I wonder who could be behind this post.

This is why Cover got rid of all of their Chinks. It's never worth it

im just wondering how they're gonna stream again normally
are they gonna even talk about this shitshow or are they gonna pretend it never happened and try to memoryhole everything while chat is a dumpster fire?
They probably cant even get away with members only chats considering how many long time members are soured

>>68971955
You THINK Selen is being manipulative, but Elira IS being manipulative in delivering that video.

>>68973044
>BPD

I still can fathom "SHE'S GOT MENTAL ILLNESS!" is the play you fucktards settled with, it's the vtuber industry, they all got mental illness.

>>68962843
i would bet real money that this statement was voluntary on their part and management told the rest of the livers to boost it after she told them her plan. unfortunately they didn't grasp just how fucking retarded the three of them are and couldn't foresee the irreparable damage they were about to do by spending 15 minutes pissing on the corpse of their victim live.

people can cope that it was forced and scripted but
>ESL staff scripting a fluent english statement

also let's not pretend that going live at the exact same time as doki just to go on a ME ME ME I I I tirade while accidentally incriminating yourself and your company because of how strongly you believe you're the real victim of her suicide attempt thereby making you believe you're invincible and can say whatever you want with impunity, isn't the exact sort of thing a bunch of room temperature iq zillenials on mood stabilizers with inflated egos and regina george complexes would do

>>68973384
I can already imagine the shitshow that will happen if no one graduates and they try going back to business as usual

>>68973419
>it's the vtuber industry, they all got mental illness.
I CAN FIX THEM ALL

>>68972921
to visit, no
to work, yes
monetised vtubing is work, especially if you're signed with an agency

>>68973044
>BPD
BPD that's managed with medication anon, if you konw about a mental illness and take meds and therapy you can easily get along in society
you guys act like once you get a diagnosis you just are unable to forever function

>>68962843
I wonder if people will forget Vox and Ike and focus on her since it's on her channel, will she alone be haunted if she also gets terminated

>>68973520
The branch needs a sacrificial lamb for the bully accusations

>>68973587
>you guys act like once you get a diagnosis you just are unable to forever function
It's worth remembering that most people here can barely function in society despite not having any kinda of bona fide mental illness

>>68973587
please tell me what magical miracle medication is used to manage BPD, I need a good laugh

>>68969866
Tell her to play Starcraft2 in a RED SUPERCHATO... apex is for casual idiots

>>68966319
are you retarded or are you a reddit tourist? serious question anon
zaions list was incredibly more bullshit and unironically contained a deez nuts joke and a rape joke she never even finished.

>>68963068
ok, but what about Vox and Ike? why would they step into the shithole when they're relatively successful and probably would be after re-incarnating.

>>68969866
>30k viewers
the fake fans demonstrate that they only followed her to feel a part of the drama. 30k is fucking pathetic for all the attention she's been receiving online. none of it is transferring through to actual stream viewers kek

>>68973647
I thought we already have Elira here, though maybe she did not volunteer

>>68974018
Hope you are tying that rope Enna

>>68973647
They already revealed all 3 of them

>>68973765
I know someone with BPD , they takes antidepressant and anti anxiety meds if they feel on edge, they are very functional and stable, know them for more than a decade.

>>68973487
I mean, it was probably "voluntary" in the sense that they were guaranteed favors from management or just plain concern-threatened about the future of their place in the company if they refused.

>>68974018
>5View is bigger than my oshi
FUCK MAN I GOTTA CALL THEM SMALL

>>68974018
?? 30k LIVE viewers would put her in the top 18th spot if she was on twitch. a platform that actually promotes livestreams unlike the tube.

Giving the whole clique the boot is literally the only way to win the people back

>>68974018
No one likes apex

>>68973587
BPD is literally not like other mental illnesses. In rates of "being healthy in society" very, very few BPD people are able to do and live normal lives. Nearly half of all people with BPD are unemployed and the majority of BPD people are not "self supporting" (as in, able to truly live without assistance.) They have an incarceration rate of, at minimum, 25% but other bigger studies have showed up to 50% incarceration rates. They have such a reduced life expectancy than literally no other mental illness comes close except schizophrenia.

It's not a 'medicate and therapy and I'm fine' disease for the vast, vast majority of people who have it. Being a fuckup is PART of the diagnosis.

>>68973770
>SC2
Brood War is the better game.

>>68972997
Yeah, the response to 'I have the proof' is 'How DARE you have proof!'

>why the fuck did she do it?
rn on Aethel stream, he is heavily suggesting that they were forced to do it, and that you could literally hear them turning pages of the script. He knows people from there, so...
btw. he's not defending them, he straight up said to fuck them bootlickers

>>68974444
no one likes selen either. terrible combination
also nice quads

>>68974241
a lifetime of antidepressants sounds miserable but it's interesting to know it helps control it.

>>68974018
Bro that's like 30 nijiEN streamers

>>68967183
Zaion tries to hard because she's autistic or something. Selen really doesn't try, she just does shit.

>>68974656
Really?
What about the part where he said his call was recorded, its not even true?

>>68974018
for reference, the mouse had max 12.7k on her latest stream and filian had 7.9k. her numbers are huge for an EN streamer.

>>68973827
I'm guessing it's the fairweather side of Doki supporters who used to harass Sayu. Doubt that one twitter user who got publicly embarrassed for it was the only supporter of this flavor. They're out here trying to bargain with the rest of us that it was reasonable for them to bully Sayu then but support Doki now, even though Selen's termination solidifies the bullshit behind Zaion's termination.

>>68974861
he's not going into details, but he doesn't hold back otherwise, he's still talking about it, he started right at the beginning of the VOD

>>68974449
BPD is just a byproduct of modernity

>>68974656
It was pretty obvious that this was a prerecorded video with a script straight from Niji, but all three of them still became complicit in harassing a former talent in the agency. If they weren't named parties in the lawsuits, they sure as fuck are now.

>>68974005
where the Vox rrats?

>>68975105
I mean, if that's true, then doesn't it make the whole clique thing go flying out the window? Not that it makes it any better
rn he's dropping that it was 100% scripted and some people over there who are contractually trapped in Niji
And Elira and others HAD to do it because they're are trapped in Japan because of visa

watch the beginning of Lord Aethel stream (he's currently streaming)

>>68962843
she's into being a toy for jap businessmen.

>>68974463
This anon knows whats up

>>68975459
I want to believe but I just don't anymore. Nothing would make me happier than for it to turn out all the talents are completely innocent and being manipulated by sociopathic black company management, but it's hard to buy without evidence.

>>68975647
is it possible to rewind streams on twitch?

>>68974018
30k viewers is Gura territory you fucking retard

>>68975286
Niji lured them to live in Japan and now they're their visa slaves.
Honestly, that's a common practice in Japan, foreigners dream about living there but they need to get 10 years of continuous work history, so they can't get fired. There are companies that hire them and treat them like literal slaves, with mobbing and all the fun stuff.
It's a pretty common trap for people who stay after college and need another 5 years to get a perma stay.

>>68976278
yes
go into the previous streams, and it's the last one

>>68976390
>Niji lured them to live in Japan and now they're their visa slaves.
That's hot.

>>68976390
>Niji lured them to live in Japan and now they're their visa slaves.
that's not even venta black, that's literally a black hole company
with the sucking in and everything

>>68976509
the previous one is 2 days ago

>>68975459
>And Elira and others HAD to do it because they're are trapped in Japan because of visa
What's stopping them from leaving?

>>68962843
They are the perpetrators. They thought they could get away. The harder they doubled down, the deeper into shit they sunk, so they tried to triple down...
Does not help them that they are being judged in potentially an actual court and the court of public opinion. And bullying someone to the point of suicide and coming out with multiple press releases that contradict themselves does not paint you as a good guy.

>>68976285
>>68975023
>>68974812
>>68974330
this past week, maybe 2 weeks, she has received as much attention with normalfags as asmongold. everyone online is suddenly a fan of hers and a hater of nijisanji.
....but she can only scrape 30k viewers. it's all downhill from here. the news cycle will move on, some twitch guy will rape a twitch thot or kill a dog or adin ross will have gay sex with a black man and selen will forgotten like dust in the wind

I am obviously speaking for myself here, but seriously, if I was in their position yesterday I would've walked the fuck out. And if they voluntarily do this then it's even more fucked up, literally fuck every single one of them beside scarle.

This whole drama is such a fucking mess. Selen most definitely had done something wrong, but I also firmly believe her submitting the MV for staff to review a day ago is a build up from past experience with staff being incompetent, and incompetent staff are just proven facts.
Then we have fucking niji, everything could've be prevented, yet every single time they come out and pull off some mind-bogglingly retarded shit.
>neglect the fact that doki tried to suicide, skinwalk her account, put her in silence for a whole damn month
>doesn't reply her request of leaving at Jan 26th, instead lock her down for 10 more days and suddenly terminated
>self reporting the bully was from livers instead of staff
>negligible statement
>whatever the fuck that shitshow happened yesterday

Legitimately speaking, even if from now on every fucking thing have a 180 degree turn, doki is the ultimate fucking bad guy and niji was right about everything from the start, this whole mess is still really REALLY fucking concerning because of how they handled this.
But then again if they were in the right of things the one standing on the moral high ground would be them. I highly doubt that. Doki is probably still a massive menhera at times but niji is also run by the most fucking brain damaged retards on the earth.

>>68976390
>Niji lured them to live in Japan and now they're their visa slaves.

I'm pretty sure that's human trafficking.

>>68976818
it sometimes takes a while for twitch to dump the current stream (for different reasons)
it will show up either after the stream or in a few minutes, if you want it now, you need to grab the m3u8 and dump it live with ffmpeg

>>68974257
Vox "graduation was always an option" Akuma says differently.

>>68977230
>i believe
>i think
>i would
you are not a vtuber. what you would do is not relevant. when we need to know what a burger flipper would do you will be asked

>>68977190
...okay?
So we're just back to the status quo of being a literal who just like every nijiEN is, so?

>>68962843
She's implicated in the harassment and Nijisanji will take care of her legal issues if she takes the PR hit for the company. All this shit about her leaving putting her into a dangerous financial situation overseas is bullshit - she's not in fucking Saudi Arabia and despite Nijisanji paying their talents shit, it's not as if she's been working a minimum wage job.
If she leaves, she'll have to provide her own legal defense. In the meantime, nobody will want to hire or collab with an accused abuser. She'll have antis following her tirelessly everywhere.
At Niji they'll keep her safe (or try to, considering how competent they are) until it blows over or she's no longer useful to them. They probably see it as forcing the disgusting halfu to take responsibilities for her own actions, and to have the disgusting west clean up their own mess.
Tit for (huge) tat(s).

>>68977237
nope that's called expat employees, it's quite common in the middle east.

>>68962843
She's Niji's useful idiot.
I sincerely hope that all of them have their own lawyers and aren't just relying on the company's, because the way things are going, all three of them are going to be set up as the fall guys.

she'd have been fucked anyways. since the lawsuit mentions her (and/or millie).
anyways my rrat is that she was hoping for Doki to overreact on stream and talk without consulting her lawyer so she can salvage something for the lawsuit.

>>68977476
We are basically in a fucking forum for people to discuss things and I'm allowed to say whatever I want you utter retard.
Hey I mean you can say that too but it doesn't change the fact that (You) are a retard.

>>68977635
>If she leaves, she'll have to provide her own legal defense.

She should be doing that anyway. She's retarded if she's solely relying on Niji's lawyers.

>>68976549
Lol it’s like all those vtuber doujins where the talents are treated as public use sex toys during stockholder meetings.
And considering it’s Niggersanji that isn’t even completely implausible.

>>68977237
Not unless Elira actually performed sexual favors in exchange for staying in Japan.

>>68978007
it's called an imageboard, not a forum. fuck off newfag

>>68978275
An imageboard is a type of forum, retard.

>>68964772
Her tits outfit was so good, why couldn't she just be an indie god dammit.

>>68971627
you know I was joking right?
unless... is it really you Elira? did you just out yourself just like that?

>>68978505
Big titted indies are a dime a dozen. Just fap to the artwork.

>>68977635
Niji's lawyers will take the first chance to throw her under the bus if it meant preserving the company's image.
Never ever rely on a company's legal counsel for personal matters. They don't have your best interest in mind.

>>68967364
You have to realize these people live in bubbles. They are terminally online surrounded by sycophants and simps. They genuinely believe they are infallible, and they have developed god complexes.

Did you forget about Millie's secret group chat? They quite literally shit on people, admitted to rrats with them being jokes as pretext, and demonstrated exactly how they bully and sabotage their targets. They thought they were above the law back then, to the point of openly joking about nepotism, promiscuity, bullying, harassment, favoritism, and sexual relations between members. Imagine how much bigger their god complexes are now, after a year+ of getting away with murder only to be lauded and championed as paragons of virtue by fans?

They GENUINELY believed they would shift public sentiment, because they GENUINELY believe they are infallible, morally inculpable, and justified, given that there are so many of them, and only one victim. Ever wonder why bullies operate in cliques, and the victims are isolated individuals? Ever wondered why abusers are so predictable in their attempt to "victim-blame", ie redirect causality of abuse and adopt the frame of the abused party? Ever wondered why solipsistic narcissism is so well documented?

Because they are common and reproducible phenomena that are substantiated by a plethora of empirical data, longitudinal studies, and even applied neuroscience.

>"I LOVE THE NIJI-EN FAMILY" she yells as instructed.
>"I'LL FUCK THE NIJI-EN FAMILY" she shouts through tears as she, top off and arms cuffed, is forced to ride her manager at gunpoint.
>"NIJI-EN IS THE ONLY ONE FOR ME" she screams at the top of her lungs as her manager blows his load inside her, reduced to a sobbing mess, still straddling her manager, before she gets dragged off for a round 2.

>>68978275
That is why I said basically you dumbfuck also >>68978482

>>68974018
Enna it’s time to let it go…

>>68978939
lol, are people making fan art about this now?

>>68979149
Yes! And I hope it keeps on coming. Elira's too hot to not make rape art of.
Hell, she even got a porn drawing done by shuuko.

>>68967469
yeah, but why tie em together then?

if they were gonna do so they should've probably given em some time to get to know each other, but as another anon pointed it it overall just feels more like a failed marketing gimmick

it's not like it's impossible for this type of gimmick to work out either where different branches have lore relations, just that Nijisanji, and to an extent, Elira, put in no effort, so it overall just feels pointless to pair em together

example of it working out: Tempus HQ and Tempus Vanguard, they all appear to get along well

Have you faggots considered that she is just a cunt and NijiEN "management" doesn't blackmail her?

>>68979389
I was just about to link that.
https://twitter.com/s_h_uuko/status/1757279302742356228

>>68979149
Lets be honest her design is fucking peak. With good artist she is a semen demon.

>>68979149
Yup. At best she’s treated as a victim that’s held at gunpoint by NijiEN management. At worst she’s depicted as the biggest turncoat since Judas with rage porn of her getting fucked 3-way with the phrase BLACK COMPANY ONLY.
Her career is so dead at this point.

>>68979468
That's honestly what I'm hoping for, so no one will bat an eye at everyone who wants to rape her, but her being blackmailed would also be pretty hot.

Now someone needs to do a video of her getting railed by management as she recites what she said in the video

>>68979389
>>68979506
>nigger dick cuckold enjoyers
the sorry state of selen fans

>>68978939
I have a boner at work now.

>>68979813
Well, it's a black company. Lucky you, he's also drawing Vox sucking his own dick so you won't have to see black people in the next one.

>>68977190
What even is this cope, do you truly think EVERYONE will leave her? Why?

>>68974449
this is correct

t. bpd enjoyer

>>68974463
based anon
ASL starts soon

>>68967728
People were getting banned left and right for even bringing up the fact Elira, Enna, and Millie were IRL friends, with two of them knowing each other since high-school.
The mods have been a-okay with people bringing up the fact Enna and Millie are the most likely bullies, but as soon as you mentioned Elira, and the fact she nepohired the other two, you'd summarily get banned.


A dude mentioned the fact they all lived (until recently, since Elira is in JP now) in Vancouver, and that all three of them used to go on woke crusades on twitter in their PLs, harassing random people into submission for wrong-think or infractions like drawing a loli, and that they are well-known in the vancouver chinese influencer "scene" because it's so small and insulated.
He was summarily banned.
This was like a week ago, back when the board consensus was the Elira did nothing wrong.


tl;dr - mods are very selective in their enforcement of the rules, it's only doxxing when they decide it is, even when it evidently and obviously isn't.

>>68979968
Thanks. I got horny as fuck when I saw Elira crying at gunpoint and NEEDED somewhere to coom

>>68962843
>for such a disastrous decision
for you dumb troons with no social experience.

>>68964842
>it's her somewhat cushy job that'll be gone.
Before she did this, she could go literally anywhere else. Now that she's done this her career is over, canceled wherever she goes.

But it's true, Zaion did say this company loves to drill it into these girl's heads that they are worthless, and nothing without the company.

Maybe she simply drank the koolaid.

>>68962843
You know how people keep bringing up Doki having BPD (which she admits to)? At least she's self aware and getting treatment for it.

Elira is an example of someone with BPD or NPD left undiagnosed and untreated. She eventually ruins every friendship she makes(see Pomu) and lashes out around her to keep people under control. Elira is the actual one with toxic traits from BPD.

>>68977635
>At Niji they'll keep her safe (or try to, considering how competent they are)
I'm 100% sure they'll throw nijiEN under the bus on the first sight of shit not working
Let's be real here, it's easier for nijisanji to terminate almost everyone, claim the livers did this themselves, claim they investigated better and found proof of the livers being abusive, wash their hands over this, and move on, then keep trying to do... whatever the fuck they are currently doing

>>68970050
I'm scared to say that we may be on planet retard

>>68979468
I have, up to the point when Aethel ranted on stream it's 100% the case of Nijisanji forcing them and them yielding to the management

>>68971921
people trust doki because she didn't go running to dramatubers lol. remember that the jp fans commenting are true believers and that they have a longer history with vtubing - it's their stupid twitch drama. they have examples of grifters who are or try to excuse their behaviour as menhera shit. they literally can't believe people who speak out about workplace harassment.

>>68965179
Dude, Selen ain't wrecking shit. She's not said a single thing against the company since just after the termination, and hasn't released anything.

If Selen had it her way, we would have never heard about the suicide, and she would have graduated quietly.

Company is more suicidal than she ever was. All of this, every single last thing, they did to themselves.

>>68962843
Not gonna lie, this pic alone makes me wanna plap her and drain my balls all over her face

>>68979813
I'm more focused on Elira getting plapped for being the literal corporate whore she is (or corporate slave if she has no option to close her legs for Niji management) than I am of Selen at the moment, though Dokibird's smug face is the kind of hot that makes me wanna grind my balls against it until she receives plenty of 'support' all over her face

>>68968252
>Selen just playing Apex and laughing
>clique: LETS DESTROY THIS STUPID WHORE

>>68980545
Pomu is literally hanging out in Japan right now with Elira you retard
You know who she hasn't publicly supported? Little miss "getting treatment"

>>68973044
>>68973419
>>68973587
>>68974449
>>68975163
Can we at least all confirm if we are talking about Borderline Personality Disorder vs Bipolar Disorder?
I feel like the two are getting constantly mixed up every time the BPD abbreviation is tossed around.

>>68962843
She will just graduate, say Niji forced her to be retarded and everyone will forgive her and superchat 100$ to tell her they never doubted her.
After that she will join together with some other vtubers with oddly familiar voices and continue doing what she always did.
Why worry about consequences when you won't have any?

>>68980858
why would anyone be referring to bipolar?

>>68980832
Pomu literally said she's NOT meeting those people

>>68962843
>felt guilty about the silence
>management gaslit her into thinking she'll be doxxed, and presented her the option to talk about it before the docs are made public, so that at least she has some control over the narrative
>management just wanted to shit on Selen more using them as mouthpieces, and she was dumb enough or under enough stress to think it was better than any alternatives she had
That's my read on it, although maybe I am still in denial.

>>68980815
it the version about them being forced into that statement is true, then there is no clique and they're just another victim.

>>68980832
not the anon you referring to but I thought notpomu is meeting up with notnina?

>>68974449
Also for people putting so much stock into this, it's a popular self diagnosis for twitter bios. Like because you have interests and hobbies you tell people you have OCD. Cringeworthy, but I could see her being like "I get kinda sweaty during FPS, call it BPD".

>>68979403
but tempus was originally planned to be an 8 man group from the get go. the other 4 members were in the discord before the debuted and talked with the other members. the Niji discord from the leaks feels more like a work group that you get added to when you join the company and Millie and co had their own group chat.

>>68980981
Elira is literally NijiEN's top manager.

She's the one who made the call to put out the hit piece, she's the one who forced Vox and Ike to participate in the video with her.

This whole thing was Elira's idea. She's the queen bee. She's the one running NijiEN.

>>68966335
Nor did they at all think about their safety, an endless multitude of Dragoons being told that not only was their oshi bullied to suicide, but here's the woman who did it!

It's incredibly dangerous to put your talents into the firing line of that kind of hate. Even if Elira begged to do it, they should have stopped her for her own safety - but no, they went so far as to write up a statement for her.

Also - they mentioned a lawyer was involved in the crafting of the statement, but what kind of lawyer reveals that you've leaked internal legal documents to non-lawyers?

>>68972444
>Funny how yesterday she was like "I have the receipts!"
She probably talked to her lawyer, and because unlike nini, her lawyer isn't a knuckle-dragging retard, he probably said something like "Keep your mouth shut and let these mongloids continue to hang themselves." Doki continues to looks like a victim who is remaining professional, and everyone involved with niji look like venomous incompetent assholes. Hell of a "finesse job" when all you have to do is nothing. Helps when your enemies are the most disgusting traitors since Quisling, I guess.

>Elira: Yes Management-Sama?
>Elira: I have to use my channel for Nijisanji EN response?
>Elira: okay, nothing wrong is going to happen
>Elira: I have to post the message AT THE SAME TIME THAT DOKI IS GOING TO STREAM?
>Elira: OKIE DOKIE
>Elira: I HAVE TO TALK SHIT ABOUT HER AND SAY NO BULLI?
>ELIRA: SIGN ME THE FUCK UP
As an individual there are multiple red flags with what she did, she ignored every single one, is as if she can't leave like selen and has to attack her directly which is kinda sus

>>68981307
There's no proof for this rrat, and even if there was, you'd be delusional to think any EN management's personal feelings had any weight over what the JP wanted while she was in Japan.

>>68980948
That's literally what i've seen, conversations where one half thinks borderline and one half things bipolar (because "Bi Polar Disorder"
when they are referring to BPD with no other context

>>68980948
I thought all of you were...

>>68978939
>>68979968
The urge to violate Elira is FUCKING UNREAL
ELIRA, I KNOW YOU'RE /HERE/
SPREAD YOUR LEGS AND CHEEKS FOR MANAGEMENT OR SPREAD 'EM FOR THE CAMERA INSTEAD

>>68980832
Let's say you had some knowledge of the situation and you had to choose between supporting Doki versus Elira and the rest of Nijisanji.
If you had any common sense at all you'd keep your mouth shut in public as to not make the situation more complicated for anyone. Doki seems to understand this. Nijisanji seems to be trying to post through it.
If you can't get them in court, you get them in public opinion.

>>68981478
they probably think elira has so many loyal fans they'd defend her from the backlash, then they can say "see, the crazy person we hired is a vengeful bully"

>>68981537
they're not red flags if you're not hesitant to do the video but actually eager because you're retarded and 100% convinced that once its out everybody will be on your side. she was not martyring her channel she fully expected the public would get behind her

>>68981826
All Nijisanji had to do to win some public is say "Selen is lying, see you in court!"
and that's it, there were enough people defending the company despite all the fuck ups and they were going to defend their oshis being bullied.
But they ignored the problem like it was... welll... negligible

>>68981994
>This screenshot of her ignoring company rules?
>Yeah, worse than harassment and bullying!
its so retarded that im willing to believe it because there's no other way, even if she was a hostage, there would be some signs or some shit, instead she just confirmed every rrat

>>68972444
I was cringing so hard during her neopets stream. Scheduling their shitty smear stream at the same time was such a low move. She was having a panic attack and talking in circles, I was so scared she'd say something she'd regret. In all, I think she handled it well but obviously she was getting info about what they were accusing her of second hand, so she jumped the gun.
Glad her lawyer got back to her and she ended the stream. Fuck Nijisanji.

>>68982211
>well of course we killed him and his family, he's a known jaywalker

>>68968741
As an OL, Pomu used to regularly be made to give her boss massages by walking on his back, and she kept that job for years.

Can you imagine how shit a company would have to be to make a woman like that quit?

>>68981046
She is going to. From what it sounded like, Matara wanted to meet up with her today to go to karaoke, but notPomu was already comfy in her apartment working on homework while doing a twitter space. They'll probably meet up another day this week.

>>68969679
as retarded as it is, in japan it would probably be niji having a case for defamation against selen.

>>68981994
Kurosanji was pretty much free to cherry pick which details from Selen's legal docs to leak to her, Vox, etc. It seems ridiculously easy for Kurosanji to warp the truth and get her and other livers to believe that Selen was the bad guy all along. Though I don't think she was eager to do it, probably more like the alternative of not doing it and the reprocussions it'd have on her dynamic with the group didn't seem worth it after all the gaslighting.

>>68962843
so to sum up the rrats
1. she's being forced by management: she doesn't want to but has to due to contract and/or visa issues.
2. she's doing this on her own volition because she's retarded: she truly believes what she's saying and the lawsuit was about millie not her. she thinks/knows Doki is lying. (even if it is, it comes off bad in the court of public opinion since they're ganging up on the suicide attempter.)
3. she's the bully and wanted some leverage: she releases the statement at the mid Doki stream, hoping she says something bad she can use in court.
4. Doki is overplaying it: Elira is telling the truth and Doki is overstating how bad it was to get sympathy.
personally I lean towards 3

>>68982764
Her being forced to do it doesn't understand why she was putting so much emotion into it, and doing a poor job acting too.
I think she's just a bully.

>>68982674
you're still being way too charitable and missing the obvious read on the situation. Elira goes full head empty no thoughts when there is some perceived slight or threat against her group of "hardworking" friends who deserve everything they have earned. Selen is an interloper who does not gel with the group and does not fall in line, and her willingness to test limits and push boundaries threatens the company's reputation and thus her group. She's probably hated her for a long time and doesn't need to be warped into thinking anything. She sees possibly herself or her friends named in a document outlining toxic work culture and it can't and won't ever enter her head that any of it could possibly be true. This is a threat to me and my group and everything we've earned. Our fans know we're so hardworking and once I explain this they'll see what I see

>>68982764
>3. she's the bully and wanted some leverage: she releases the statement at the mid Doki stream, hoping she says something bad she can use in court.
No lawyer worth their fee would ever recommend or even entertain the idea of doing something like that. The fact that they did and gave a fresh round of ammunition to the opposing legal counsel makes me think they didn't go through their legal team at all.

>>68983250
>Elira goes full head empty no thoughts when there is some perceived slight or threat against her group of "hardworking" friends who deserve everything they have earned.
Do you have any clips of her doing that on stream? Would be enlightening to see the pattern of behavior

>>68983250
>elen is an interloper who does not gel with the group and does not fall in line, and her willingness to test limits and push boundaries threatens the company's reputation and thus her group.
The limts and boundaries here being an indian/japanese guy who refuses to check their discord for 36 hours straight. lmao

>>68983403
Maybe their "legal team" are ESL student part-timers like their management.

>>68983579
the limits and boundaries are daring to do anything more ambitious than zatsudans and streaming the game of the month

>>68980948
SEEE?? >>68981669

people are constantly misidentifying the two conditions because of the fucking abbreviation

>>68983610
their legal team is in japan and Elira had to handle the translation

>>68983250
Elira being thoughtless enough to have several days to think it over and think that settling things privately wasn't the best idea? It's one thing to feel like your group is threatened, but it's another to air out way more than Selen ever would have revealed hoping to rally for support. And the fact that this all happened while she was in Japan? I don't buy that there was no meddling.

You'd also be ignoring how this is timed with the CEO's message as well as almost all livers retweeting. The obvious read with all context taken into consideration is that someone very high up in Kurosanji passed down these orders, and those who don't fall in line get whatever is happening with Scarlet now.

>>68971955
That company just put Elira's life on the line to cover their asses, using her as a meat shield. No FamElira in their right mind should be supporting this shit.

>>68982764
100% the 1st case.
Which only makes talent look a TINY bit better. But still pretty bad. The company, otoh, somehow is 10x worse than it was

>>68983933
>Elira being thoughtless
I think we're all on the same page that agreeing to appear in this video is reputational suicide so yes it is plainly plausible she was not in a thoughtful mindset. Both she and Vox aired out things they should not have said because they feel genuine animosity towards Selen and clearly can't understand that they're not getting empathy
the CEO message muddles the narrative if anything because its a complete break from everything else they've done. its still vague corpo speak, but the tone is apologetic, there is some admission the ship is not being run up to par and oversights allowed problems to occur. if that video was the only thing released that day it wouldn't fix things but the overall temperature would be completely different. the defiant, bitter, and petty tone of Elira's video, insisting that everything is fine and that Selen is the problem child, does not gel with Riku's apology. They are at odds and suggest there is no master plan, just scurrying idiots doing as they please, which created all these problems in the first place

>>68984367
>using her as a meat shield
That's hot.

>>68984750
no, she's a meat toilet

>>68985021
skibbidi toilet haha

>>68966335
I mean, there has been a PR manager opening for the EN branch for a few weeks now on the Anycolor website. There might not even be a PR team...