/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>68942908
The difference is hololive takes ndas seriously

Niji impersonated the liver account when she was in "bad condition"

Did the impersonating hapened to Mel? No.

Mel
>breaks NDA
>fires Mel
>refuses to elaborate further
NijiEN
>fires Selen
>breaks NDA publicly and on stream

Mel
>You're fired
>Yeah, fair enough
>everyone says their mournful goodbye
>moves on

Selen
>You're fired
>They drove me to near suicide!
>Nuh uh!
>Yeah huh!
>Nuh uh!
>Yeah uh!
>Nuh uh times infinity!
>Yeah uh times infinity +1!

The Selen drama is stupider
miscommunication for a gay cover song blown out of proportion by washed hag that wasn’t ready to graduate and cried suicide

>>68943198
Not only that but gen 0 had a teary eyed official goodbye message to Mel and most of Hololive was pretty broken up about it, even A-chan acknowledged it during her stream.

>>68943368
the entire point of the mv was to be the last thing she releases before graduating, hence the song choice

>>68942908
The difference is Cover aren’t going to try and save face and throw talents under the bus. Mel isn’t even a good comparison, her channel is still up despite termination.
Rushia is a better liver to compare to, and even then Cover didn’t try to dirty her reputation despite probably knowing her skeletons with Mafumafu.

>>68943360
I'd also add on for Mel's that she has gone radio silent for a month now which has its own share of concerns

Mel leaked internal hololive info to her VCR boyfriends. Selen broke a rule before it was made a rule

>>68943527
compare that to nijisanji who's response is to have 3 livers shittalk her in public

>>68943617
>Mel isn’t even a good comparison, her channel is still up despite termination.
Its only up until the end of February, it will be wiped clean in 16 days.

>>68942908
looking at the replies here makes me glad that I sticked to holo honestly.
Ofc hololive has its fair share of drama even before, and their management was also dogpiled from what's been transpiring on coco's channel because of that west taiwan shit.
But what did they do? they improved themselves and actually hired competent and experienced managers now, not some random highschooler unlike anycolor.

And eventhough most anons here complain on how much breaks some holos take are too long, look at how it improved the experience for the talents.

>>68942908
Holo: "Mel broke rule, so we fired her."
Mel: "Yea, I broke the rule, sorry bye."

Niji: "We are firing Selen after she tried to commit suicide after we private her video funded by herself. She is negligible, fans are negligible, we apologize to our investors though. We might also have bullied her but here is a list to slander her as she leaves, we didn't tell her she was fired yet."
Selen: "Here is what happened to me, but let's move on."
Niji: "We are going to further slander you."
Selen: "IT'S FUCKING WAR THEN."

>>68942908
The difference is they kept fans in the dark about her for 2 months, Skinwalked her twitter to assure her fans, And then the VERY FIRST THING they do to resolve this is to release a 3 page long termination notice out of no where that contradicts itself repeatedly while defaming and smearing selen as an uncooperative bitch who threatened to sue them for fake reasons all the while they Admit to harassing her while she was in the hospital for a suicide attempt, Causing her to have to respond to all of this in a hasty manner, THEN they release a statement calling her termination "financially negligible" prompting many people to rightfully assume they see their talents as money machines as opposed to hololive's (seemingly) genuine care for the talent's wellbeing

Then you have Mel's termination, Where she admitted to her wrongdoing, was ALLOWED TO APOLOGIZE ON HER ACCOUNT, and had multiple members of staff INCLUDING YAGOO HIMSELF lamenting her loss and wishing her well in her future endeavors, Basically parting in extremely amicable terms

>>68942908
Mel fucked up, Cover had to terminate her because it'd set a precedent otherwise, she understood that, they both agreed that was the only course of action.
Fans sad, but they accept the decision like their oshi did.

Selen was harrased into attempting, the company publicly stated she was irrelevant, constantly put out conflicting statements regarding the whole situation, other organs went live trying to use their "influence" to make out Selen to be the bad one while also giving her lawyer the biggest boner of his life. CEO came out with a statement begging for investors to stop pulling out.
Fans angry, and with a good reason.

>>68942908
>Cover: Mel broke NDA
>Mel: I broke NDA
>Other talents: Mel broke NDA

>Niji: Selen Tatsuki is a bitch ass motherfucker she pissed on our fucking company. That's right, she took her dragon fucking scale-y dick out and she pissed on our fucking company and she said her dick was THIS BIG and we officially released a statement to say "That's disgusting." so we're making a call-out post on Twitter dot com. Selen Tatsuki you got a small dick, it's the size of the impact of this decision on our financial results except way smalier, and guess what? Here's what our dongs look like. That's right baby, all points, no scales, no horns, look at that it looks like two balls and a bong! She fucked our company, so guess what? We're gonna terminate the Earth! That's right, this is what you get! Our super laser termination! Except we're not gonna piss on the Earth. We're gonna go higher. We're terminating THE MOON! How do you like that Selen? WE TERMINATED THE MOON YOU IDIOT! You have 23 hours until the termination notices hit the fucking Earth, now get out of our fucking sight before we terminate you too

>>68943939
>Niji
For the love of God someone feed this into a Trump AI

>>68942908
Mel didn't throw a hissy fit and try to turn the public against Hololive.

>>68943702
Her VCR buddies must be taking real good care of her, huehuehue....

>>68942908
Mel broke a non-disclosure agreement stipulated in her contract and was terminated from that contract as a matter of course. The company acknowledged in a public statement that it valued her and regretted the necessity of the termination and allowed her to make a public statement bidding farewell--in which she willfully admitted to her wrongdoing, leaving on the best possible terms for somebody that broke red line contract terms. Talents were free to comment on the situation and most of them expressed positive opinions of Mel and said their goodbyes on good terms. Overall her sendoff was extremely positive for someone who was being fired for breaking rules and emphasized the value the company places in its talents.

In the past Mel had suffered harassment from Hololive's management and had been forced to lawyer up to protect herself, but the company took the complaint seriously, allowed her paid time off to deal with things privately and terminated the offending employees, launching an extensive internal review process that transformed the company and its management approach to better protect talents in the future. Several years later we can see the positive impact those reforms had on the company and its relationship to its employees.

Selen suffered bullying and abuse both from other talents and from management itself for years while the company repeatedly refused to engage with her official HR complaints about the above. She was the victim of targeted harassment aimed at disrupting a company-approved but self-funded project under dubious pretense and violated Nijisanji's internal protocol (but not contract terms) by releasing her project unilaterally and encouraging fans to reupload it outside of Anycolor's reach.

Afterwards, she attempted suicide and was harassed by the company while convalescing in the hospital, to the point where hospital staff had to bar Niji employees from attempting to contact Selen until she was released. Nijisanji took this as failure to deal in a negotiation regarding the future of Selen's contract and unilaterally terminated it without forewarning. They then released a 3-page statement smearing Selen and unintentionally implicating themselves and their talents in wrongdoing they hadn't even been publicly accused of.
Selen expressed a desire to keep the conflict out of the public eye and resolve things through legitimate, court-sanctioned means.
Nijisanji continued to release frequent public statements smearing Selen and implicating themselves deeper and deeper into wrongdoings which they had not been publicly accused of, going as far as to use talents as mouthpieces to further criticize her and hijack their social media accounts to promote their hitpieces.

We're still at the point where NijiEN management denies wrongdoing for things they have accused themselves of and has shown no interest in reforming its management system, holding offending employees accountable or emphasizing the wellbeing of their talents.

>>68942908

Srs version

Mel:
> Well-known to be air-headed so an accidental slip is plausible
> Termination notice is short, sweet, and professional
> Given a chance at a farewell statement where she apologizes and admits her own mistake
> PL also apologizes, goes on hiatus which is understandable
> Channel content left up for a whole month for people to make their peace with it
> All talents at the company clearly very sad and mourning her loss
> Actual tweets from the CEO and upper management thanking her for her hard work and giving her well wishes
> Fairly solid trust in the company itself
Result: acceptable margin of error that Mel did indeed make a mistake and Cover's hand was forced, no real hard feelings

Selen:
> Well-known to work very hard and get things done, perhaps TOO well, with a history of management cancelling her projects on her
> Company itself has self-admitted to stealth suspensions and skinwalking their liver's socials, so the accident tweet was already under suspicion
> Other graduations/terminations in EN have been under suspicious conditions or reincarnations have alluded that things were Not Good behind the scenes
> After a month of radio silence, drops a novel-length termination notice to assassinate her character
> PL immediately speaks up and claims she will not be silenced, goes back to her activities immediately
> Entire channel and socials wiped before the announcement even went live
> Other livers either stick heads in sand and pretend nothing's wrong or post suspicious tweets and go radio silent, some still unheard from
> Releasing terrible PR disasters - first the two-sentence IR that called Selen "negligible" in English, then the stream that happened last night that was a whole shitshow in and of itself
Result: Everything official from the company is now completely untrustworthy and even if Selen made a mistake, the incompetence handling this situation will forever blacken its name, NijiEN reputation is ruined

>>68942908
>I don't watch Holo or Niji
>False Equivalence Devil's Advocacy

>>68942908
mel
>breaks nda so gets fired
>refuse to say what she did because it would only hurt her for no benefit
>isnt roasted by the corpo nor her friends, still beloved in the end
selen
>bullied for over a year
>stealth suspended for over a month to the point that dragoons go wild
>turns out she had attempted suicide, fire her anyways
>still roast her with 3 pages of bullshit
>still has their streamers make an extra stream to shit on her further, as ordered by management, when she had attempted to move on

>>68942908
I don't know, which one managed not to make a cataclysmic scene?

>>68943617
>skeletons
lmao what
any mem's relationships are not their concern unless it's with staff per their guidelines

>>68943360
Selen should just get them Bugs Bunny style with "Yeah uh" as they say "Nuh uh" in response.

>>68944553
Apologies, can you summarize?

>>68944553
Based chatgpt-sama

>>68943360
>>Yeah uh times infinity +1!
I say things like this

>>68943617
>>68943617
This is what made me drop Idol. Firing a girl and slandering her when she has no chance to respond is the scummiest thing a company can do and shows how vindictive and hypocritical they are.

>>68943360
the even funnier part is that Niji were the ones that announced her suicide in the termination notice.
And that a big part of the suicide attempt is that a large amount of her ego is centered around being an internet dragon girl and she thought that her career was over. Why do you think she spends all her money on being an internet dragon girl?

Like this was the first blow:
https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1754459182412222481
Where do you even start with this insanity?

>>68945575

>>68943939

>>68943360
Selen didn't said shit, they outed themselves in the termination notice.

>>68943939
kek
They're so fucking confused why all of these are happening

>>68942908

>>68947063
>no text for the entire bottom sequence
beautiful, anon

>>68946276
Even AFTER the notice she basically didn't say shit. Her statement responding to that just confirmed what was in their statement but without even pointing fingers at livers.

>>68942908
Mel can be shown in a video without Cover terminating Choco for it

>>68943046
Fpbp

>>68947063
>>68948043
Kino

>>68948718
O O F
This one wins.

>>68942908
So, the major difference here is in the quality of management.

In Mel's case, Cover and Mel respectfully parted ways after acknowledging a mistake was made. While it was a firing and not a graduation, no major bridges were burned, and there is no apparent animosity from either side. Any outrage was allowed to blow over, and business continues as usual.

Nijisanji, on the other hand... let us count the ways.
>Repeated instances of cancelling Selen's projects
>Banned her from planning any further cross-branch events
>Didn't know about the music video cover she was making, despite her getting permission from the song's creator a year in advance. If a manager doesn't know what their employee has been doing for a year, that's on management.
>Posts on Selen's twitter account days after suspending her, posing as her
>Writes an angry novel for her termination notice, trying to make her appear too toxic for any other company to want to hire. Posts the termination before even informing her.
>Refuses to let things blow over, and instead get three other talents to all line up for a video where they break legal confidentiality agreements. Clearly didn't get proper permissions for that shit!
>Posts a follow-up claiming that they investigated themselves about the NDA breach and found they did nothing wrong. Because handing confidential documents to people not under the agreement and letting them spread the information instead is apparently how they think the law works.

tl;dr: Cover is run by professionals that responded to their crisis professionally. Anycolor on the other hand is apparently run by clowns that think "passing the bar" is something you do when you realize you've already had to much to drink on a bar crawl.

>>68943360
More like, releases statement that Selen is fired and here's 3 pages of why she's a shit person. Gee I wonder how that would go over

>>68942908
> When Mel was terminated everyone just thought "Well Mel is an idiot, it's probably true she accidentally messed up", now that I think of it that's what's yabai about her

Unlike Selen, everyone agrees mel is a little dumb,probably even herself

>>68945144
I winder if this a difference in how mental health is treated in japan.
A JP person sees "She tried to kill herself" and goes "Oh she's unstable they were right to fire her."
But a westerner goes "What the fuck you drove her to try to kill herself then fired her?"

>>68945760
https://twitter.com/Muj_in/status/1731440184946831720
normies like her more now though

>>68945760
Eh, Riro deserved it. Selen doesn't.

Nijisanji makes it a habit to publically humiliate talents in their termination notice.

>>68944673
if OP reads anything in this thread it should be this post. It demonstrates thorough understanding and doesn't misrepresent the situation.

>>68942908
I just stopped by to say on the request of Choco today and with the ok of Mel, Cover let Choco reupload a bunch of Mels songs and colalbs with her on her channel;
Have fun with your shitposting thread!

>>68950075
>disregards anything about Selen not following procedure multiple times on her projects yet vague posting on x throwing shade at the company without any accountability on her end.

>>68943360
Isn't Selen's case more
>release video she paid for out of pocket for free
>video gets taken down
>attempt to commit an hero because of prolonged harassment
>Nijisanji tries covering it up by impersonating her while she's in the hospital
>radio silence
>meanwhile Selen tried asking to graduate, but gets rejected
>after a month of nothing, Nijisanji announce she's been terminated
>Selen doesn't even find out about the termination notice until it's posted on twitter
>termination paper says one of the reasons was because she was being harassed by other talents
>days after her termination, release a statement to investors saying her firing won't affect shares
>it does
I've never seen a company handle firing someone this poorly since Kemono Friends.

>>68943368
I mean those Covers do mean alot to the talent even Bae was very visibly upset when hers got delayed and the time she working on it was half of Selens but then again Holos management doesn’t have. A history of being malicious compared to Nijis

>>68951707
>Covid huh.

>>68951707
So graduate her. Or hell, terminate her and just shut the fuck up. They're the ones who made this a shitshow.

>>68942908
If Anycolor handled it with any competence, there wouldn't really be much controversy. At worst, people would wonder what Niji was being so incredibly petty over but plenty of bootlickers and ruleniggers would side them them over this. There's also the fact that Selen tried to commit suicide and Nijisanji sockpuppeted her on her socials while she was in the hospital. Niji in their termination notice then implicated their own talents in bullying. Selen hadn't said anything, nobody knew anything, no names were mentioned and Dokibird was telling people to move on and not harass anyone, and nobody had anything to go by except Niji's own self-incrimination. They then make a public stream talking about the matter where they actually out themselves, name names and do so in a way that is publicly harassing Dokibird, who had just started her first real stream since leaving. Everything about the way Niji handled it was a catastrophe. If they said nothing at all things would have been mostly fine and left to speculation at most.

Mel made her own statement, admitted fault (you might assume she was lying/pressured or w/e but there's nothing to really support that) and seemed to have parted on good terms. Hololive said nothing and mentioned no details, Mel said her piece and moved on. The only way this would be remotely similar is if Hololive started going after Mel.

The funniest thing is that the thing that kicked it off was a melancholy MV about parting with people you care about. Niji axed it, threw dirt in her face, kicked her out and shit themselves in an effort to rub off the stench on her.

Mel was terminated for a mistake and hololive seems to have realized there is potential for the same mistake to be made by other talents, so they spent little time blaming Mel aside from acknowledging it was her mistake, then went on to talk to everyone and ensure no one else makes the same one. Hololive basically learned from Mel's mistake and tried to resolve any internal issues that might lead to the mistake happening again.

Selen making the mistake is disputed, and similar situations at Nijisanji have been disputed before. Even if Selen made the mistake, Nijisanji is focused more on the character assassination of Selen than trying to ensure rights issues such as Selen's cannot happen again. The very fact three talents were allowed to make a legally questionable statement is concerning and shows Nijisanji has learned nothing from the event, instead choosing to blame everything on Selen.

One of these learned and grew as the result of losing a talent to legal issues, the other is throwing a tantrum and sperging out just to try and deny any fault of their own.

>>68942908
>mel
>full internal investigation
>both parties claim that plenty of discussion time happened and the termination was the result
>notice was fully given
>other holo girls and staff say how sad the affair is and wish her the best

>selen
>had incompetent management based on the stuff niji themselves released
>finds out she's terminated basically the same time we do
>brings up some situations but doesn't name names
>said individuals out themselves and then go on to blame her for everything an hour before the CEO goes to apologize

It shouldn't be hard to tell the difference here.

>>68951757
Shout it from the rafters. No (Selen) Matsuri, No Tanoshii.

>>68951279
>It's real
https://youtu.be/TcUXQhv73F4
Oh shit that's nice.

>>68943527
Meru…

>>68952648
*(me) auto correct this isn't about Festival, Tatsuki*

>>68943527
There is also the rrat going around that she was only suppose to be suspended for it, but she felt so bad she wanted to be fired for it.

>>68952797
It was actually surprising how many people had good things to say about Mel. It gave the impression she was actually a very important worker for company morale behind the scenes.

>>68952875
>>68952648
My anger towards Kadokawa, KFP, and Mine burn eternally. I can only hope Nijisanji continues being retarded and have their own KF2-equivalent moment.

>>68942908
Mel broke a real rule that was in her contract. Her company allowed her to exit gracefully on her own terms.

Dokibird's company abused her for years and then tried to murder her by driving her to syicide intentionally .They fired her after she survived and have continued to harass her even after she left.

>This got reuploaded to Choco's channel
https://youtu.be/TcUXQhv73F4
Huh?

>>68942908
One company is downplaying the reason why they terminated Mel while everyone from talent to CEO tell how much they liked her, the other is defaming the poor girl they drived to suicide while the rest of her "family" backstab her.

>>68951707
>accountability
Then just terminate her contract without the hit pieces and character assassination.

>>68951707
Anon. All they had to do was make a statement saying 'yeah we had to let her go, she wouldn't comply with company policy' and no-one but her fans would bat an eye.

Instead they told on themselves, started a controversy regarding workplace harassment that hadn't really been mentioned by anyone involved until they brought it up, and basically just did the dumbest shit you can do.

But yeah clearly despite these displays of monumental incompetence, surely Niji did nothing wrong :^)

>>68942908
Mel
>broke NDA
>agreed her actions warranted termination
>said a last goodbye and left on fairly graceful terms

Selen
>had at least half of her projects fucked over by management
>tried to kill herself due to corporate abuse
>got fired for standing up for herself and her agency started a smear campaign against her
>said smear campaign has continued even after she decided she wants to be the bigger person and move on

>>68951707
Ignores the fact that they could have quietly graduated or terminated her for multiple failures to follow procedures like with Zaion and left out any mention of bullying, leaving themselves as looking neutral at worst and Selen as another unmanageable menhera rules breaker.

>>68953047
>KF2-equivalent moment.
Don’t remind me of that shitshow. I still can’t believe how spiteful that episode with the dog was.

>>68953485
It think it's worth saying that even though Mel was fired the CEO himself even gave her a goodbye and thanked her for her work with Holo

Meanwhile Niji had three of their biggest Talents line up to Slander Doki last night.

>>68943360
Nah, selen didn't even say anything
>you're fired, you didn't obey management plus there's bullying allegations and want to sue us
>Yeah, true. I wanna move on
>reeeee, you're making us look bad, you didn't obey us, you're even threatening millie, elira and enna.
>Yeah, true. I wanna move on

Selen hasn't even denied wrongdoing or even pointed fingers. She just wants to play neopets and move on.

>>68944083
I tried to deliver anon, but Voicify sucks dick so I gave up

>>68952175
>>68953227
>>68953465
>>68953709

I agree, they deserve to implode for this level of incompetence. Just wanted to clear up the fact that this didn't come from a mutual agreement that the Liver F'ed up like Mel where she knows she did wrong while Selen is 100% the victim.

>>68944553
Thank you!

>>68951757
>>68952648
>>68953047
yeah I thought that shit last night reminded me of something. dragging out the talents to be your mouthpieces doesn't go over well when we can see the guns pointed at their heads.

>>68944131
Selen didnt either. She just stated what happened and said she wants to move on and not mention it again. Niji are the ones throwing hissyfits and looking like idiot.

>>68953838
Only thing I can think of that would seal the deal would be if they brought in some new talent to be Selen.

>>68942908
mel
>mel breaks NDA
>situation is taken seriously and everybody is lamenting her termination
>she doesn't go in her roommate's account to shit on hololive and both parties go on with their lives
now for selen's case
>selen is fired
>she was complaining about bullying from both management and other talents
>go back to her roommate's account where we know she took legal action agaisnt nijisanji
>she's willing to let legal things stay on the background and "move on" but niji management still wants to destroy her
>niji management went out of their way to try a smear campaign after it was made public that she tried to kill herself from all the bullying endured in the company
nijisanji management quite literally couldn't have made things worse than what they already did

>>68943702
she told that she was going radio silent for a while. imagine venting to a friend because your cat died and that someone snitching over to your company. utterly disgusting

>>68950075
>>68952527
>>68953709
>>68955477

literally Cover's benchmark is not be like Rushia

>>68942908
>>68955477
also I forgot one thing
>in the official document talking about selen's graduation released on twitter nijisanji mentions that her termination is negligible for their finances

the difference is how it was handled duh

Mel
>Japanese
>Hot
>Cute voice

Selen
>Chinese
>Morbidly obese
>Obnoxious voice

>>68956400
>Obnoxious voice
What?! That's not even true!!
I don't know (or ever wanted to know) her RL appearance though

A lot of anons in this thread seem to be confused.
Breaking NDA doesn't get you fired. This is something that various talents have done in the past with varying degrees of repercussion.
Breaking NDA combined with management wanting you gone is what gets you fired.
It ultimately comes down to the nature of the breach, and the surrounding circumstances.

A Hollywood movie production company isn't going to fire Tom Cruise for leaking some detail about a movie they didn't want him to talk about on a late night talk show, for example. Something to that effect literally happened with Tom Holland where he accidentally said something about an upcoming movie and nothing happened. Multiple games have been announced by celebrities accidentally leaking that they were working on a game for so and so company and didn't know that they weren't supposed to talk about it despite them being under NDA.
Nothing is ever written in stone and contract terminations are not automatic. If the Cover wanted to keep Mel around despite her NDA breach, they would have.

>>68943527
Even Yagoo tweeted out well wishes. It really felt like no one actually wanted to fire her

literally black
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o65VwnQvWW4

and white
https://youtu.be/oE8HLVwpimA

>>68956770
>If the Cover wanted to keep Mel around despite her NDA breach, they would have.
Well that wraps around to >>68953017

>>68942908
Mel didn't go on twitter and blame Cover for her fucking up.

>>68943939
I appreciate the Snapcube reference.
>>68944083
I'd love to see him ramble nonsensically on this topic.

>Niji
>NO YOU CANT HAVE GRADUATED STREAMERS IN YOUR MV NOOOOOOOOOOO

>Holo
>Mel FIRED for NDA issue
>Still in the new media released from her Gen

kek
Niji is such fucking trash

A better comparison is Michael Cat, and even when they had receipts that she was indeed menhera and on the wrong, they treated her MUCH better than the ongoing "let's shit on Doki because fuck you" trainwreck.

>>68954310
I thank you for the attempt nonetheless, it would have been fucking golden if it could work

>>68956770
>A Hollywood movie production company isn't going to fire Tom Cruise for leaking some detail about a movie they didn't want him to talk about on a late night talk show, for example
>Tom Holland
>using movie stars as an example
there's a small difference between firing an employee and firing the star of your movie and I guarantee you if it wasn't someone as important to the movie they fire the person. but yes, breaking NDA doesn't automatically fires you but it's grounds for doing so. usually it depends on what information was leaked

>>68956770
Cover is a tech company btw

>>68943783
and that's exactly why it's a good point
holo gave a notice that it will be deleted in 1 month advance
niji wiped selen channel seconds after tweeting the termination letter which not even selen knew was going to happen

>>68957239
Full disclosure, I stole that from an edit going around the other day and didn't even fix the errors

>>68957629
They left it at the simple, professional, "breach of NDA" and just took the heat like adults instead of trying to smear Rushia. They only had to wait for her to do that herself anyway.

>>68958007
>usually it depends on what information was leaked
That's what I'm thinking: whatever info got leaked was probably sensitive enough that they agreed it warranted termination even if it was an honest mistake

>>68959848
>even if it was an honest mistake
That's what it seems like.
Her separation, although a termination, seems incredibly amicable.

Seems like one of those, "I'm sorry, but we cannot make an exception for you." Because ignoring the rules would cause a lot of problems.

>>68960218
>Because ignoring the rules would cause a lot of problems.
Yeah, just look at nijiEN lul

>>68956770
You're right about how corpos can decide not to fire for cause (for any reason, really), but your analogy is off. Chuubas are in the same talent agency as the production company on the same network channel; it's not just a one-off show or movie.

>Rev video
>Random posts from fucking TBATubers
To the trash it goes Selen was probably a piece of shit and so were Niji, end of story

I hate to say it, but Selen was in the height of her popularity whereas Mel has been irrelevant for years

>>68962517
But anon, that was the height of her popularity. When she was relevant to Hololive, Hololive was irrelevant.

>>68943368
The only reason it got blown out of proportion is because Niggersanji is so fucking retarded they basically incriminated themselves with every statement

>I don't watch Holo or Niji
What do you watch?

>>68962912
NTA but there's thousands of indies and smaller corpos out there

>>68952175
>So graduate her. Or hell, terminate her and just shut the fuck up. They're the ones who made this a shitshow.

The problem was the total shitfit people had after Yugo and wanting transparency. So niji gave transparency with Zaion and it seemed to go over well. Third time was not the charm but this is a butterfly effect from people screaming about needing all the details. Now you get the details and that's the problem.

>>68965983
Transparency wasn't the problem. It's that they were so obviously lying about certain details (her not getting clearance for the cover and not cooperating with artists she commissioned) that no one could trust anything else the statement said

>>68951757
>>>after a month of nothing, Nijisanji announce she's been terminated
>>Selen doesn't even find out about the termination notice until it's posted on twitter
>>termination paper says one of the reasons was because she was being harassed by other talents
>>days after her termination, release a statement to investors saying her firing won't affect shares
This part is genuinely freaky, how does stuff like this happen?

>>68966405
>her not getting clearance for the cover and not cooperating with artists she commissioned

Not cleared by Nijisanji management to post it yet. if everything was fine all she had to do was wait a couple days. This is not the first or last time this has happened to any corporate vtuber, Selen was just the first one to ignore that and post it anyway

I don't get what's hard to understand about this. The company has to verify what you've got setup.

>>68942908
Selen got flammed on the way out and went menhera about it.
Mel resolved the issues behind the scenes.

>>68942908
>I don't watch Holo or Niji, what is the difference between Mel's situation and Selen's?

The difference is that Mel does not complain about hololive on social media or claim there is severe bullying going on in the company.

>>68943702
She just lost Mel whom despite not giving her the biggest numbers she fought teeth and nail to keep after the management issue, pretty sure she's depressed as fuck and actually taking time off.
Which makes the whole situation even sadder as she quite possibly loved being Mel.

>>68953838
>KF2-equivalent
???

>>68956770
Whatever Mel leaked had to be serious, there is no fucking chance Hololive would fire a first generation senior just like that.

Despite the terminations being day and night, Mel is much closer to an heroing than Selen is, i wouldnt be surprised if she has made an attempt already.

>>68968143
She keeps choking herself on my dick.

The problem with breaking NDA is in Japan the company doesn't usually have a choice in firing you or not. It's fucked up but if you don't fire someone for NDA breach you genuinely cannot defend NDA breaches in the future in court. This is why Japanese companies can be so litigious. Look at NIntendo.

>>68942908
Main difference is:
> This is a cover bootlicker board.
Other than that:
>Mel had the decency to not make scene. Got absolutely fucked as a result (but Yagoo said he's sorry).
>Selen went full menhera and got the support of twitter/4chan/etc trannie mob. Might actually get on top as a result.
Makes you think, right?

>>68969550
Hi Elira!

>>68969550
Patethic bitch

>>68942908
In all honesty, it's also their personalities. if mel was like doki and the other way around, things would probably be different.

>>68950760
Cover is a Japanese company

>>68967912
Honestly? I think it had to do with something like interpersonal drama among the people at Cover. If it were something like Mel complaining to her friend about another holo getting special treatment because they're in a relationship with their manager or staff, then it would make perfect sense why some people want her fired for leaking it, while others don't care or might even be on her side.
But that is purely speculative and there is no proof anything like that is happening, but leaking interpersonal details would pretty much explain everything and I'm not sure what else it could be that Mel would have knowledge of as a talent and not a member of staff.

>>68956973
like tupperware

>>68945325
is she bugs or daffy