/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

anything she will say can be used against her as she has severe case of BPD

>>68933348

>sort of lawsuit
I'm no lawfag but it'll be a civil suit right? maybe a breach contract/NDA and slander

>>68933045
She'll try to settle because she doesn't actually have receipts.

>>68933045
https://www.canada.ca/en/employment-social-development/programs/workplace-health-safety/harassment-violence-prevention.html

>>68933438
Surely she's been making copies of every communication from the company

>>68933045
HR lawsuit, about Anycolor Inc. breaking Canadian workers laws. She has moderate high chances of winning, but one never knows.

Now, in another hand, this doesn't stop Anycolor Inc. for pursuing legal actions against her.

My take about this is that Anycolor Inc. will take a full on war against her legally and bleed her to death with legal costs.

my bet is it's not going to be as bad as everyone thinks it is and nobody will come out on top.

>>68933045
The only lawsuit she can win is one against Enna and Elira since they both live in Canada. Kurosanji will remain unscathed sadly.

>>68933785
Canadian laws apply to any company DOING BUSINESS IN Canada, just being headquartered in Japan doesn't give them legal immunity retard. They have Canadian employees, living in Canada, therefore their conduct is subject to Canadian law.

>>68933045
The magic words: "Hostile work environment"
Elira's video today will be used to support this, since it was scheduled to directly prevent her normal income activities

>>68933692
If it labor dispute the government foot the legal bill, Canada is also known to be rather harsh on international companies fucking with their citizens regarding labor laws

>>68933785
No, if you employ people in a different nation you are open for lawsuits. The only way they can get out of this is if the japanese government blocks canada, which will not happen for a company like anycolor.

>>68933951
i think this is the most baffling thing about it all. they could've just waited a day, or like... three hours. scheduling it exactly at the same time is so painfully malicious

>>68933785
Canada and Japan have laws treaty so when nijisanji lose they'll be paying all of the fines and legal bills

She was never an employee right?

>>68933968
Even if Japanese government block this the Canadian government and outright ban nijisanji from operating within their country

>>68933348
Has a severe case of BPD yet behaves more professionally than a multimillionaire company. At least she doesn't open her mouth without cosulting to the lawyer beforehand

If selen pursuit the lawsuit the case will actually becomes "People of Canada vs Anycolor" instead of "Selen vs Anycolor" once the hearing starts. Canadian government tends to side with their citizen especially when it involves with an international company case
t. worked in canadian lawfirm before

>>68933599
I love how you guys keep bringing this shit up when Canada let fucking India of all places assassinate one of their own citizens in Canada and they did absolutely nothing lol, Japan is a Canadian ally in times when both countries are ramping armament for a Chinese invasion of Taiwan. they don't give a flying fuck about your fat chink whore or this nijisanji shit.

IANAL but I don't think she has enough to go against a corporate entity; I don't think her lawyer thinks so either. They have enough, however, to stave off serious legal harassment from Anycrapo; I guess this is why they are resorting to kindergarden-style harassment like overlapping her game stream with Independent Communist Reporter Elira. Her being BASED in Canada helps significantly.

>>68934113
That's for a Canadian court to decide, but based on canadas legal definition of an employee I personally think she was one, not an independent contractor. The level of control they exerted over her work, the exclusive and restrictive terms of her contracts, the nature of her work being central to their business model, all these things point to her being conquered an employee under Canadian law

>>68934250
>behaves professionally

how? by attempting to kill herself than face the consequences of her action? she cant wait a day to reupload and get perm for the cover. thats all on her.

>>68934366
>IANAL but I don't think she has enough
How the fuck would you know that you fucking retard.

>>68934299
Nijisanji isn't part of the Japanese government you fucking retard and the whole India shit show is the reason Trudeau going to fucking loose hard in the next election

>>68934530
"I don't think x is true" is not the same as "I know x is false" sister.

>>68933045
>They said kys so I did
Hope the judge slaps her ass and walks out of the room

>Enna pic for a reply
Opinion discarded

>>68934644
>Let me talk about shit i clearly have no actual information on, just to spit some bullshit out into the world for the sake of it.
show pits.

>>68934746
Indeed, sis, we are posting in vt.

>>68934037
Definitely an EN Managers ego powered dick move. Dick into his livers that is, wtf would you use your talent as Public Relations in a serious way.

>>68934507
Lmao fucking retarded niji kids still in facebook highschool drama mode, while it's already legal process.
Chink cunt you could litrerally be jailed lmao.

>>68934507
I would brutally rape Enna and post the video here.

>>68934260
Canadian gov. will also foot the bill so Niji wouldn't be able to drag it out to bleed Doki out.

>>68934507
ennafag stfu

>>68934862
Anycolor could of literally waited a few more days and let her just graduate normally too and none of this would be happening.

>>68933045
She has no case and there's zero chance of her winning.
There was no violation of confidentiality at all, her termination was (as far as we know) lawful and so far the bullying was other talents asking her what was going on with the video.

The documents they served ichikara namedropped chuubas in the company so ichikara has, at the very least, the right to share those parts with the parts involved.
They arguably also had the responsibility to do so (assumed Canada has an equivalent of duty to good faith, and so forth).

Since Doki, her manager, her lawyer (assuming they have one) and apparently the community notes (?) don't know how this works and think Niji broke confidentiality, they (Doki + her manager) might think they're in the clear to break confidentiality themselves in retaliation.
Depending on how retarded they are going forward, Doki might end up sued by Niji for libel or breach of confidentiality.
She needs to hire an actual lawyer and muzzle her manager before she loses the house.

t. prosecutor

>>68934507
*cums in you*

>>68935134
>t. sister

>>68934862
>Definitely an EN Managers ego powered dick move
Occums razor points to clique rrat being real and Elira did it on purpose.

>>68935124
They could have done nearly literally anything else and it would've been handled better.

>>68935134
Holy shit I hope I'd never have you as a prosecutor. Everything you said was wrong.

>>68935134
brain damage: the post

>>68934260
This. Labor courts almost always favor the employee

>>68933045
She don't have any chance of winning if she goes to the court, all the fuck ups were happening thanks to the retarded people of niji but in the court it will be 100% the lawyers and over there the one that gets the most expensive lawyer win and the jury will help that to happen because they will not be blind fans from any of the sides

>>68935228
You wouldn't "have me" as a prosecutor dumbass, we represent the state. In any case you'd be glad to have me against you if I'm wrong.
Point at the part of the post that was wrong.

>>68935134
>Retarded bullshit
Elira admitted publicly to having viewed a protected document provided by Nijisanji. that's absolutely a violation.

>>68935134
Sister you can't larp as a legal employee. I doubt you've even studied law, but here is your (you) since you're unaffiliated and just fishing

>>68935228
This retard would be with you in court only if they develop Ace Attorney online and retard's SEA ISP could handle connection lmao.

>>68935134
>prosecutor
>in a civil court
lol look at this retard

>>68934365

>>68933045
>Asking 4chan about lawsuit
KEWK

>>68934366
>>68935134
>>68934260

The thing that no one seems to be bringing up is Doki's accusation that her medical records got leaked, when the only way the hospital would turn over her info is if Doki wrote Elira's name into the release form. You can have medical proof in a lawsuit, but no one can read it unless medically authorized. I hope Doki's lawyer explained that to her.

>>68935465
>Anycolor shared only relevant parts with employees
This is lawful at worst and arguably the right thing to do under covenant of good faith.
You actually do have the right to know about legal proceedings against you, and the company is not in breach of confidentiality if they let you know or if they share selected parts of the document.

>>68934507
LMAOOO
This poster is back!

>>68935567
So according to this any court would consider her an employee.

>>68935567
>Given instructions, supervised, controlled, and subject to discipline
Yeah she was an employee retard lol

>>68935567
When it comes to labor disputes in Canada they treat contractors the same as employees so companies can't get away with shady shit under the excuse that "they are a contractor". Employee vs contractor is more for tax reasons.

>>68935562
>he thinks im the criminal prosecutor in this particular civil case between dokibird and a japanese corporation
I'm not even Canadian.

>>68935676
yeah but why would vox say thoroughly reviewed lmao

>>68935676
>Doubt

>>68935768
No, I'm calling you a retard, which judging from your reading comprehension, I'm not that far off the target

>>68935676
so we're they lawful disclosing details online?

>>68935676
Perhaps, but at the end of the day, lawyers signed a legal document specifically stating that they would not do that.

At a point where the actual livers would need to be involved, the parties would meet to amend the document and re-sign. You don't just fucking say "here you go" and give shit to someone after signing a binding legal paper during a lawsuit. Absolutely fucking stupid of them.

>>68935741
If it's like australia contractors don't always need to pay into their retirement fund.(which is an additional 11-17% of the regular wage)

>>68935835
Because he's a midwit trying to put big words into his statement, is my best guess.
He's not a lawyer so his "thorough review" is probably pasting it into chatgpt.

>>68935676
Jesus Christ, shit hit court phase already, yet those retards keep trying to damage control like it's still in online drama phase.

>>68935670
I think doki made a tweet clearing that up quite early

>>68935134
>t. prosecutor
prosecutors are the worst fucking people to ask for legal advice on other areas of law, because they're not required to actually know or even care about the law themselves and have total immunity and unmatched discretion and are insulated from all their fuckups even when they do make an oopsie.

t. another lawyer who clerked for a prosecutor's office as a 3L

>>68935932
>>Because he's a midwit trying to put big words into his statement, is my best guess.
Reviewed and signed off by management AND their "legal" team

>>68935676
>ANYCOLOR declares

Jesus fucking christ. This is basically "We investigated ourselves and found that we did nothing wrong." They are going to get absolutely fucking blasted by the lawyers.

>>68935835
Le retard de Vox Akuma

>>68935953
Good, I didn't see that.

>>68935676
This is true and correct. What you DON'T do afterwards, though, is make an assblasted YouTube video about it. You get a lawyer and you shut the fuck up.

>>68935676
>You actually do have the right to know about legal proceedings against you,
That's the thing, it was not. They aren't being sued, Nijisanji is.
But Nijisanji is too incompetent of a company to investigate things while keeping things confidential, so not only they leaked the document, but they actually let them release a video talking about how management leaked confidential information.
Niji management literally broke NDA. The company itself fucking broke a non-disclosure agreement.

>>68936397
>get a lawyer and stfu
niji and livers on the legal papers: boo hood, selen bad

>>68936451
Them saying they were worried about being doxxed because it contained personal info was pretty funny though. Like bitch, it's a legal document. It's not going to have your vtuber name, its going to have your legal name.

>>68936397
IRL even lawyers break confidentiality very often. The problem here is having a bunch of retards stream to tens of thousands of viewers with an admission of guilt

Which BPD does she have tho
Borderline personality disorder or bipolar?
These are two very different things

>>68936662
Borderline personality disorder. Bipolar disorder isn't abbreviated as BPD by mental health professionals due to the potential confusion.
source: i'm bipolar

>>68935134
I think you could be correct anon. Nobody wants to hear this but it makes more sense for this to be true than almost every niji organ coming forward to throw doki under the bus for no reason.
Idk if I'm supposed to post a picture of enna or something, how does this work (sorry I've never defended niji before)

>>68936604
Yeah really wtf did they expect. That's not a "dox threat" that's just a fucking legal document. Your names would be redacted on any official release. Retards.

>>68936745
Hi Selen!

>>68936769
>Samefagging
Lmao

>>68935676
>selected parts of the document
Then why did Elira and Vox say that they were shown the entire document?

>>68935134
source trust me bro

>>68936604
This. witnesses names are usually redacted, and stuff like addresses would definitely be redacted, since they are not vital to the case and could lead to a shitton of other legal problems like identity theft.
Either way, most likely Elira knows this, otherwise she wouldn't have written "i'm sorry". She knows full well what she is doing.

>>68936962
The "i'm sorry" account is fake and being boosted by one single retard on twatter, probably even the same retard doing it for attention.

>>68936962
>otherwise she wouldn't have written "i'm sorry". She knows full well what she is doing.
Eh, that was actually fake. There is enough other shit to get mad at them about without using fake stuff. Apparently the account was deleted after she graduated and someone grabbed it. The follower account is way too low and join date doesn't match to older archived pages.

>>68936850
I would never

>>68934249
So no vtubing complany will hire anyone from Canada in the future?

>>68936745
NTA but also bipolar. They used to use BPD for bipolar and I still sometimes get confused when I see people talking about BPD

>>68937109
Just don't break the law faggot, enforcement of labor laws is no reason for every fucking company to pull out of Canada.

>>68937044
>>68937066
Huh, didn't know twitter allowed you to use the handle of a deleted account.
Normally you wouldn't, since it could lead to a bunch of pointer problems, like tweets that were directed at someone else being now redirected to you.

>>68936451
So what happens now? It's either they broke NDA or they're part of the case now. Which is what Niji is claiming now. They just damn doxxed themselves when the court proceeding comes. Or they settle.

>>68934365
So if selen wins, no more corporate vtubers from Canada anymore?

>>68933045
>Just a violation of confidentiality,

>make lawsuit against people
>they are informed they are part of a lawsuit
>they complain it uses their real name which if made public effectively ruins their ability to do their job
>THEY WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO SAY THEY WERE ON THE LAWSUIT REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
She doesn't have a fucking case you mongoloid. Just because the internet supports her doesn't mean shes right

>>68937234
It doesn't cause problems because the only part of a tweet URL that matters is the number which is unique to every tweet. see

https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/1757240066265506027

People change handles all the time and its to make past links not break.

>>68937234
Each tweet has unique ID that's unrelated to the user, that's why the twitter link shitposts work

>>68934614
Japan protected Alberto Fujimori, why wouldn't they protect Anycolor?

>>68937374
lawsuit is against Anycolor, not the talents themselves. Just because there names are part of it doesn't mean they can see it.

>>68936451
>They aren't being sued, Nijisanji is
Lol, what if they are? What if all this "our names been doxxed uuuaaa - because their names are in harassment accusations? I mean what else it could be? What other reason could it be, for their names be in Doki's court docs?

>>68937374
>Muh dox
Retard it's already been explained, how do you levy a fucking lawsuit against "Elira Pendora the Dragon" that's like sueing fucking mickey mouse dipshit. Elira's name would be redacted in any official release but they have to use her real name for legal purposes.

>>68937374
Her lawyer believes she has a case, so there must be something there worth pursuing.

>>68935920
P6 says they didnt release the parts they were specifically asked not to release.
Releasing the parts where they namedropped specific talents to those specific talents is not illegal and it would be illegal not to. You have a right to know if youre involved in a legal case against you and your employer has the responsibility to act in good faith.

>>68937493
Witnesses anon

>>68935768
>I'm not even Canadian
>armchair lawyering a foreign justice system
This wasn't the own you thought it was.

>>68937374
>they are informed they are part of a lawsuit
No retard, they admitted they saw court documents.
Not informed about contents by lawyer - saw them themselves.

>>68936451
Doki mentioned several livers by name, and these talents have the legal right to know about those parts of the document.
If they had released the document in its entirety you'd be right, tho.
>Niji management literally broke NDA
There's no NDAs here. Confidentiality is a completely different thing and Niji actually did nothing wrong here, legally speaking.

Imagine being the retard who thinks a lawyer is gonna name "Elira Pendora the Sun Dragon" and "Vox Akuma the Voice Demon" in their fucking legal documents lmao, of course the used the real names

>>68937501
8 lawyers. She has fucking 8 of them.

>>68937510
It depends, if the lawsuit is against the talents, then yes they have a right to know, but it would be discussed and agreed upon between counsels, not just dropped randomly to the talents. If the lawsuit is against anycolor, even if the talents are mentioned by name, they do not automatically have a right to know. Either way Niji fucked up, just one is more fucked up than the other. But that will be up to the lawyers to hash out.

>>68937253
If they are part of the case as a party, it means that they would actually have the documents, since you can't make an NDA that excludes the sued party, it doesn't even make sense for such a NDA to exist, since the party would receive the document with a NDA.

>>68937493
Witnesses as anon mentioned are one. So they could even be mentioned in the case without being the bullies. Or they could have been named as the bullies themselves to prove that Nijisanji knew about the bullying but were too negligent to do anything about it.

>>68937652
Make sure you sloppy that knob good

>>68933045
Gonna be honest, she wouldn't really have much of a chance unless she has the 'i tried to kill myself' card. which begs the question, did she really try to an hero? because damn, everyone ate that up immediately.

>>68937374
You're retarded, sister, she already had a case, the whole case isn't the breach, that's just a cherry on top of what she already had against Kurosanji.

>>68937652
The fact that people are confusing confidentiality with NDAs is annoying. How are people going to raise accurate rrats without a basic understanding of what's going on?

>>68937652
>Attorneys' Eyes Only

>>68936887
The phrase "entire document" was not mentioned, you just assumed.

>>68937733
The problem here is Doki threatening to sue the actual talents as part of her suit against the company.
If you're part of a suit you have, at least, the right to know about it. The company is not obligated to tell them but they're also not disallowed from showing them selected parts of the suit if they are mentioned by name and they think they need to know about it if it affects employment, reputation, and so forth, which would be the case if they used their actual real names in a public suit. This is wactor tier lawyering from Doki's side.
The easy way to do this it to just mention Anycolor the company and never name any specific vtuber until you have your case ready.

>>68938031
>after thoroughly reviewing the documents
same thing

>>68937374
You don't know the first thing about the law and it shows. It's illegal to "inform someone they are part of a lawsuit" like that. If they're involved, the court will alert them. That information would either be redacted or irrelevant if Anycolor didn't leak it themselves.

>>68937783
Don't tell anyone anon but I am also skeptical about that part. Part of me feels like she's been planning this for months now;.

>>68937783
This sets a precedent now, any corpo girl can put a knife to her wrist to get management to jump hop and skip to her demands.

>>68937846
Retarded legalese. You have the right to know about personal data collected about you and this obviously includes actual legal proceedings targeting you by Real Name.
You'd have a case if they ONLY named Anycolor. Since you named Enna she has a right to know and to see the parts that concern her directly.

>>68937838
Legal confidentiality is a the basic obligation of lawyers. Just like a doctor doesn't need to sign an agreement with you for them to not be able to release your private information.
If they had to sign an agreement, as Selen said, then it means they signed a non-disclosure agreement to guarantee that the Nijisanji party wouldn't try to "legally" bring in more people.

>>68937652
>Doki mentioned several livers by name, and these talents have the legal right to know about those parts of the document.
incorrect. Learn the law.

>>68933425
It’s much worse if the niji lawyers signed off on it. They can lose their right to practice and will throw niji under the bus

>>68937186
The entire concept of Corp vtubing is against Canada law. The part about control and ownership.

>>68938270
You're making a lot of assumptions, no one has actually confirmed how they are implicated in the case. But for the sake of argument, typically in your scenario anycolors lawyers would discuss with dokis lawyers first, and if deemed necessary by both parties then the talents would be informed, but they would not be shown sealed legal documents that weren't meant for them regardless. The fact that they were shown those documents at all is illegal, even if they should have been informed, which we don't even know their level of implication so they may not even need to have been informed at all.

>>68936451
There is no NDA. Dokibirds second tweet also suggests that there wasn't any information disclosed that was outside of her request for confidentiality too

I love how everyone is a lawyer now. As a law student I see so many people talking out their ass, even I’m not going to attempt to say what can happen here because I have no fucking clue

>>68938270
>Since you named Enna she has a right to know and to see the parts that concern her directly.
Lmao go on, demand all legal documents of your employing company because you are employee.
You can be informed by your lawyer about document involving you content, but you can't see court papers meant to court and lawyers.

Or yeah, go show prosecuted gang leader all legal docs icluding names and adresses of victims, lmao, cus "imma part of it".

>>68938323
>Legal confidentiality is a the basic obligation of lawyers
I assume you're talking about attorney-client privilege and this doesn't apply here, but you're also wrong.
The agreement was about certain sections that according to P6 in >>68935676 were not shared with the talents.
Niji is not in breach of the confidentiality agreement.
>Just like a doctor doesn't need to sign an agreement with you for them to not be able to release your private information.
Because its actually illegal for them to do so, unlike in this case.

>>68935134
You could've just said "I know nothing of labor and civil law" instead of embarrassing yourself like this.

>>68938270
>targeting you
They aren't being targeted, retard. If they were, they would be a party in the case, and they themselves would have access to the documents before anyone signed any NDA.

>>68938681
>There is no NDA
Proof? Doki said multiple times that both lawyers signed the agreement that the document wouldn't be shared with anyone but the legal parties. If you knew anything about lawyers, you would know that when you accept a case, you don't sign any confidentiality agreement between both parties, since this is already part of the job as a lawyer, this is called Attorney-Client Privilege and the canadian justice enforces this.
NDAs are uncommon, but it's not anything unheard of, especially in cases regarding high profile people.

>>68935228
I love how all these retards will just "HOLY SHIT THIS IS SO WRONG" but never actually say how it's wrong

Elira will win the court case. Selen will go down as the Amber Heard of vtubing.

>>68938095
Since he's retarded, he could be throughly reviewing a single paragraph written in laywer moonrhymes.

>>68937186
Not yet, but if this becoems the test case that sets actual precedent on the employee/contractor grey area for livers then they probably will have to drop all their Canadians. If they're employees they're entitled to pensions, and severance packages when they get fired. And unionization is probably the next step.

>>68938813
If I was specifically mentioned by name in a lawsuit against the company and the suing party was threatening to sue me too as part of the lawsuit, then I would have the right to be shown the *parts* of the lawsuit that concern me.
Furthermore if the company shared this with me so I could find a lawyer, they wouldn't be in breach of confidentiality.
The easiest way to avoid this would be to not mention specific employees by name.

>You can be informed by your lawyer about document involving you content
Yeah see you get it.
>you can't see court papers meant to court and lawyers
There's no court papers going on. Doki's lawyers send Anycolor legal documents where they also accuse other vtubers and threaten to sue them. Both Anycolor and these vtubers have the right to see the parts that concern them.

>prosecuted *gang leader*
>names and adresses of *victims*
I know legalese is somewhat hard to read if you're ESL but please try to keep up.
It's about showing accused parties the parts of the document that concern them.

>>68939337
>Doki's lawyers send Anycolor legal documents where they also accuse other vtubers and threaten to sue them.
Proof? No one has ever said this

>>68939045
She never stated it was an NDA that she signed. If you look at her most recent tweet dokibird said there was nothing disclosed that she asked to be kept confidential. Whichever document was shared was never under NDA in the first place

>>68938077
riight
when elira is called to the witness stand they bring out a meet and greet screen with a book pinned to her hand lmao

>>68939045
>Selen + lawyer will also hold livers legally responsible
>Anycolor shared necessary parts with said livers to lead an internal investigation
This is the targeting part I'm talking about.
Sharing necessary parts with concerned parties *named in the document* is lawful. Unless they specifically asked for a specific part to be kept confidential this is a retarded point.
You can obviously know about threats of legal action *against you* via your company, this is not under lawyer confidentiality.

>>68939473
Anon, her latest tweet literally confirms that there was a NDA. Attorney-client privilege is a basic right, if you want further information to not be disclosed, you need to sign a non-disclosure agreement.

>>68939490
>"You would've been doxxed anyways when I sue you"
The Wactor Approach to legal proceedings in the vtuber world.

>>68939617
Yeah, I just read the latest Doki tweet. Apparently there was a NDA, but nothing that was part of the NDA was shown to Elira and co.

>>68938077
There's no indication she was suing the talent. By her own words this was an HR negotation that she smartly lawyered up for

>>68939686
"I am currently talking to my lawyer and thankfully only my diagnosis and reason for hospital stay was reported without further private info being disclosed."

Based the disclosed information was that she had a suicide attempt, which is already public knowledge

>>68939800
>but nothing that was part of the NDA was shown to Elira and co.
>it never supposed to be shown to anyone other than me, my lawyer and other relevant lawyers.
>my diagnosis and reason for hospital stay was reported without further private info being disclosed. It was requested that none of this info should be revealed to anyone other than legal.
?

>>68939894
Anon, suicide was most likely the "reason for hospital stay".

>>68939894
These retards have no reading comprehension.
>without further private info being disclosed
Implies the info that was disclosed was also private. Also she literally says
>none of this info should be revealed to anyone other than legal
In the same tweet. You're arguing with very disingenuous posters.

>>68939894
In that part she was referring to her own private information.

>>68940039
She probably signed an NDA that specifically covered her own personal health information. It appears it didn't cover other things, which is apparently what was shared

>>68940039
I'm sorry, I speedread the tweet, apparently, NDA was signed AND was breached.

>>68939894
>Based the disclosed information was that she had a suicide attempt, which is already public knowledge

Public knowledge - online persona Dokibird aka Selen posted tweet about "attempt"

Disclosed information - real name of person behind Dokibird aka Selen, real medical recordings, diagnoses etc.

>>68940099
I'm not being disingenuous, if you read the whole reply chain, I only just read the latest doki tweet, and I actually just misread it.

does canada have an equivalent to PACER? I only know about the american court system

>>68940383
More or less. It's not unified, so you have to access individual provincial court websites or the federal one. Canada has CanLII, which is a non-profit organization that provides access to court judgements for stuff like jurisprudence. But although not being the same, works similar enough to PACER for accessing public records.

Any idea which province dokibird might be based in? I was reading there are exemptions to certain industries for remote work regarding applicable labor law depending on which province you reside in.

https://www.sherrardkuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Provincial-Guide-for-Remote-Workers-in-Canada-WEBSITE.pdf

>>68933045
Feel I must donate to support the cause.

>>68940199
>Disclosed information - real name of person behind Dokibird aka Selen, real medical recordings, diagnoses etc.
This would all fall into private information, that Doki said was not disclosed.
Also her manager would have to be retarded to send medical records and diagnoses stapled to Doki's personal thoughts on the situation, but her legal team has been a clownshow since the beginning.

>>68941471
ESL, fucking read the tweet. Those were private information that were supposed to NOT be disclosed.

>>68933045
If we take everything at face value so far then Niji is beyond retarded and she has a massive lawsuit on her hands. On the other hand, if the Niji legal department isn't actually completely incompetent then she must be lying about something in all this.

>>68941569
Yes, totally please don't tell my friends I was hospitalized for a suicide attempt even though I told everyone one twitter yesterday

>>68937510
Releasing confidential material to those not bound to confidentiality. Then having them publicly announce through their own IP, will not be excused in court.

>>68941755
>Niji
>Not incompetent
They're fucked

>>68935465
Not a lawyer (and I've actually been wanting to ask lawyer anons about this so if there are any reading this pls respond) but AFAIK sealed court documents aren't something that's sent from one of the involved parties to the other, and if Doki sends documents directly to Niji saying "hey don't share this with anyone outside of legal" then that's not actually a legally binding duty of confidentiality.

>>68941786
esl AND lacks reading comprehension.

>>68941569
>>68941471
I'm not sure which is worse: that this guy is larping as a prosecutor or that actual prosecutors are this retarded

>>68942016
Anon, you are a special kind of retard. It's almost cute.
Yes, I'm a lawyer, but you don't even need to be one to watch a stream and understand that she simply didn't hand out the documents and told them to not share.

>>68941569
>youse ESLol
>>those were private information
SEAchama please shut the fuck up.

>I am currently talking to my lawyer and thankfully
>*only my diagnosis and reason for hospital stay was reported*
>*without further private info being disclosed.*
Where's the real name of Doki, real medical recordings, diagnoses etc?

>>68935134
you're fishing in dangerous waters, sister

There's a step in all of this that everyone is missing. Dokibird is pissed at her own lawyer.

Dokibird gave information to her lawyer. Her lawyer disclosed info to the niji lawyer as part of whatever legal notice.

Dokibird goes to her lawyer and asks what was shared. Her lawyer says only her diagnosis and reason for hospitalization was shared with the other side. She's very specific in her tweets that whichever document was originally only meant for her eyes and her own lawyer's eyes.

Basically, her own lawyer fucked up.

>>68942199
I'm not a prosecutor, nor I'm larping as one. I just read the Doki tweet and have basic reading comprehension skills to know what she wrote.
I will try to make it easy for you to understand:
>I'm happy not too much information disclosed
>that information and much more was under NDA
>I didn't want the shit to hit the fan, but they are saying "Do it faggot"

>>68942517
>Where's the real name of Doki, real medical recordings, diagnoses etc?
With Elira and Vox. People who shouldn't have access to it, since the lawyers signed a NDA to not disclose to people like Elira and Vox.

>>68933348
>Rogers
My condolences anon

>>68942849
>>*without further private info being disclosed.*
>no they actually shared personal info with Elira and Vox
But where are you getting this from?
Anycolor says they didnt disclosed information under confidentiality (confidentiality and NDA are different things btw), Selen says they didnt disclose any information outside of her diagnosis and reason for med leave.

bros, I can't keep up with this shit, Im EU and everything goes down when I'm asleep, when I wake up everyday there's just a torrent of new happenings and characters

Is there any youtube fag covering the whole thing or something? I'm way too behind to catch up

>>68942849
Prove that Elira and Vox have access to her medical records. They never mentioned that unless her medical records are in the court documents. Even so, they would have only read the pages relevant to them so you'd still have to prove that Niji showed them it

>>68943220
just type "niji sanji" in the youtube search field

>>68939163
>Labour Union of Streamers, VTubers and Youtubers
My cold and jaded bluecollar heart would weep tears of joy. Also it would be funny as all hell

>>68942691
Dokibird's lawyer gave Elira, le retard de vox akuma, and Kike the dox, not Niji's lawyer. Whatever you say.

>>68933045
If canada lawsuit 80% chance victory gg ez

If japanese law, slander and defamation applies EVEN IF the statements are true. So even if she can prove she was bullied, saying it out loud hurt niji reputation and stocks so selen damaged them. Selen loses

>>68935134
>so far the bullying was other talents asking her what was going on with the video.
Except she’s been building a case for at least a year now? She recorded Vox in regards to management favoritism about a year ago and held onto it. I highly doubt the video is the only instance of bullying if Selen has receipts that far back.

>>68943330
that's what I did but most are just drama tubers reading 1 twitter post for 2 hours talking out of their ass and I don't know if there's any decent one to watch

>>68943471
Screen Actors Guild

>>68933045
She broke contract, she's fucked.

I'm not going to read this thread, can someone tell me how many retarded tourists have said something about employment law not knowing vtubers work as independent contractors?

>>68933348
That would be character evidence and is therefor objectionable.

Character evidence can only be used VERY rarely. I.e. if someone is a compulsive liar then it's not evidence that someone did (not) do something, only that their statements are all questionable.

>>68943700
>vtubers work as independent contractors
And you call the others retard

>>68943513
I think this is the most significant point. If the suit is filed in Canada, it's easy for dokibird but the question is if she gets anything; it doesn't seem like Canada can order niji to pay damages.

If the suit is filed in Japan, anti-defamation law basically makes it so niji automatically wins regardless of what evidence she has.

>>68937704
Mikeneko had 8 lawyers too.

>>68943553
There's a nijiEN discord leak once a month on average and its always therapyspeak and petty middleschool drama, not bullying and harassment. Hardly any "real" legal discrimination going on. It would have to be someone saying "We need to get rid of Selen because shes BPD as fuck, we cant have her in the company", or any sort of racism, sexism,... which is borderline impossible here since the whole company is asian and theyre all women.
Favoritism, a shitty work environment, mentally ill neurotic coworkers or incompetent management are neither a hostile work environment nor illegal. And thank god for that or we'd have to shut down the whole fed contractor industry.

>>68943330
You mistyped ninisani

>>68933348
Anon.. Are you still spamming the fact that you don't know the difference between borderline and bipolar?

>>68943513
NijiEN were the first to bring up the bullying issue with their termination notice, not Selen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeXQBHLIPcw

>>68943220
The reddit megathread has pretty succint and reasonably unbiased recounts

>>68943700
1) Canadian (non-US in general) employment definition is a lot broader to prevent exactly that type of bullshit
2) They are dependant contractors anyway

>>68942691
that's a lot of words not to support your main assertion

>>68943941
Imagine thinking that petty bullies are gonna leave a conclusive discord trail and not do everything over more untraceable methods

>>68938077
>The problem here is Doki threatening to sue the actual talents
proof next thread?

>>68944721
In >>68935676 Paragraph 5 and 6.

>>68944477
>It was a private document with my own personal information and was used as a legal document to help my lawyer and document my thoughts + was never supposed to release anywhere else to any other parties outside of legal department.
You don't share your uncensored ramblings and thoughts with the opposition lawyer. This document that she's referring to was shared with her own lawyer, who screwed up and revealed more information than she wanted

>>68944499
>it was a secret all along
I see. How interesting and mysterious. I hope we can get another 40 or 60 10 minute dramatuber videos about it before the next batch of obtuse tweets and neurotic threads.

>>68944337
I'll look into it, appreciate you anon!

>>68938704
The only thing I know is that Kronii lives in Canada and i want to sex her. No, I NEED to sex her

>>68943493
it was confidential until the three cliquies decided to dox themselves lmao

>>68943793
Actually speaking, there is a chance that her BPD caused her to interpret messages in a way that seemed harmful or antagonistic towards her. This would honestly explain why literally two months before this she was hanging out with the same people that she claimed have bullied her and was having a great time with them offline going to things like haunted houses with them and playing games with them and interacting with them offline. They're actually quite a few different stories that she and other people told about their trips offline and it sounds like she was having quite the good time.
Then about 2 months later everyone was apparently bullying her and pushed her to try to commit suicide?

If she has her receipts I'd love to see them But as somebody who dealt with BPD girls before, There is a strong possibility that the attack happened in her head.

>>68943553
wasn't the prism cup only 4 months ago?

>>68933425
I assume so. If it's not civil then it would mean the government itself would be prosecuting the company. I don't think that's what's happening here.
There's likely a bunch of things they can be held accountable for since it sounds like they just violated a bunch of her individual rights and then dug their grave deeper with the smear campaign

>>68933045
It doesn't matter, all we'll end with an agreement and Doki with a BIG chek in her hands.

Realistically? Very little she can do outside of the release of those legal documents.
As an international remote worker she will have signed a contract that stipulated which country's laws apply in relation to said contract. This is typically the employers host nation so in this case Japan.
Canadian labour law is thus not applicable.

The legal document leak can be taken as a breach of data confidentiality which carries a penalty up to imprisonment for up to one year or a fine of up to JPY 500,000. Plus potential damages.

There is also grounds for Selen/Doki to go to the Labor Standards Inspection Office who are very much open to foreigners (in fact they're somewhat reliant on foreigners who are more likely to report such companies)

On any other front however we'd need to know more about specific terms of the contract and specific offences.

>>68943493
Stupid question. Was the lawyer from nijisanji allowed to share the document with the livers or not. I would assume that a lawyer who represents a company (and the employees of said company) should be allowed to share the writing with the involved parties. But many people /here/ claim otherwise.

>>68945404
nah if ur yalking abt the all girls thing…

she was clearly uncomfortable at the all girls thing, and she actually noped out of big gatherings that her vully might've been in
selen loves numbers, I may be just imagining but I really don't think she would give up she chance for awsome stories if there wasn't something really wrong

>>68944107
nta but borderline is far worse than just being bipolar. Also borderline often comes with bipolar tendencies anyway.

>>68933045
she has no case. you can't make accusations against someone, then when the other side asks the accused for their statement be like "b...but I said don't tell them!" Doesn't work like that. I hope AC sues her into the ground for ever cent she's milked from her gullible pigs this week though.

>>68943700
In Canada, how you're categorized as an employee is determined by government's definition of each category. It doesn't matter what your company actually calls you, what matters is what you did and didn't do for them and what conditions you were subject to.

For example, a non-competition clause in your contract automatically disqualifies you from being considered an Independent Contractor. There is fortunately precedence for this.

Canada has a robust system for enforcing the rights of employees in part because new arrivals starting small businesses is a big part of our economy. People coming from different countries and different cultures often attempt to carry out business as they would back home, seeking loopholes to help them keep labour cheap and power strong. As a result our legal system has faced a lot of different tests from bad actors, has closed a lot of loopholes over time and has a lot of precedence established to support employees in challenging their workplace.

>>68945914
Selen won't be working under Canadian employment law because she's an international remote worker whose job is "located" in another country

>>68945817
I mean yeah she's always awkward during collabs with a massive amount of people in them. Like she said from the very beginning she turns into what she called shylen whenever calls started to involve more than four people at most.
But later on she would recount stories of going to haunted houses of going on rollercoasters iirc and even holding Millies hands because she was scared.

Like I said, I could very much see this being a case of her having a mental breakdown due to the stress of Niji and being in debt and not having a great time, especially right after her cover went down. But I have a hard time believing that the same people that was holding the hands of offline and going on adventures with were secretly bullying her to the point of suicide.

>>68944926
Can't believe I wasted all this time verifying:
https://youtu.be/A1YCUbQOJB0?t=1037
The document was meant for her, her lawyers, and Niji lawyers.
You focused on her disorganized initial ramble, but she clarified later on.
The only mishap is that Niji's lawyers showed extraneous info to (legally) unprivileged parties.
She is not aggrieved towards her own lawyers.

Idc who wins, I just want to see Nijisanji lose (not necessarily in a legal battle).

>>68935134
I know you are faking but if you arnt then are you that retard binger

>>68946127
oh anon... I honestly dont believe millie was the main bully either
I'm just sad that in most bullying cases power dynamics make ppl enablers to self preserve...

>>68944872
maybe you should read it yourself because there's nothing about threatening to sue individual talents

>>68937783
I am sure the hospital is in on it too, retard

>>68946010
She can file a breach of Canadian labor law in Canadian court, but it's questionable if they can force niji to pay her anything. The worse that can happen is that niji can't conduct business in Canada in the future.

On the other than, Niji can file in Japanese court, and they can definitely sue for a dollar amount under defamation laws

>>68946424
>"Selen mentioned the possibility that they will also hold livers legally responsible"
I don't know how much more I can spoonfeed you dude. Its literally two lines of text.

>>68946265
Honestly my full prediction is that both parties end up losing. In one way or another. I think it'll be really hard for Doki to establish a case and it'll be difficult for niji to win back the Court of public opinion.

>>68946636
>Can't conduct business in Canada
>Force other Canadian livers to leave Canada and renounce citizenship in order to keep working for them
BLACK COMPANY

>>68946636
Realistically the Canadian courts would take one look at the contract and tell her to get lost as she agreed that all legal arbritation would take place in Japanese courts.
She could try and contest it. But precedent and international legal norms are not on her side there.

>>68946812
Realistically the company doesn't conduct business in Canada.
It's paying Canadian remote workers but that's it.

>>68946387
The only one who I could even see out of the three that were mentioned who might have been a bully is enna and even then, Enna has said before that if she's being too harsh with you, you need to speak up and put her in her place. I'm sure that probably doesn't hold up well in court but, you could argue that it was an attempt at workplace banter or something similar potentially?
I'm not sure it seems like we have actual lawyers in the thread though, perhaps one of them could weigh in.

>>68933045
>what is she going to sue for
workplace harassment and hostile work environment
>will she win
Niji admitted she claimed harassment and they didn't take it seriously leading to her suicide attempt, that's a slam dunk
>will they settle
they should but given recent events niji seems to have an ego and thinks they need to bury her. if that happens they will not come to the table willing to settle until way past the point where doki is willing to meet their demands

>>68933425
>civil
workplace laws were broken so it's going to be handled by the state.
>NDA/slander/her cover
all are literally unimportant to the real case she has

LOCK HER UP
LAW AND ORDER!!!!!!!!!!
she isn't winning SHIT she's a crazy bpd bitch. she's running the dr disrespect playbook and trying to get her face out there as the innocent party ASAP.

>>68946636
The fucked up thing about japan is that the defamation laws can be classified under criminal law. It's not just civil law. It's like a third world country where you can get jailed for shitting on your company's PR

>>68946010
That's not how that works at all anon, workers go by their local labor laws not where the comany is chartered.
If I live in Germany and work for a US company I obey German laws and pay German taxes not US

>>68947097
This man right here, now here's a real winner.
Have a participation trophy!

>>68947143
Japanese judges also almost always side with the corporation, and I will say that with her history of stating things like
>Management said I wasn't allowed to do this anymore
And stuff like that, I could very easily see Japan going
>She was hurting the reputation of the company!!

Ive pointed it out before on this board, but if you actually look into defamation in Japan One of the biggest lawsuits involved a guy who actually truthfully reported that wrestlers in Japan were using illegal substances to enhance their performance and ended up facing a massive fine because of his reporting damaging the career of the wrestlers.
Japan is fuckin awful when it comes to a lot of things including their laws

>>68947203
>>68941201
It's more complicated than this. I looked it up earlier and for remote work, there are exemptions depending on what province you live and what industry you're in.

For example, in Manitoba, athletes and entertainers who engage in remote work are specifically excluded from the Workers Compensation Act.

>>68946770
Yeah I expect doki to lose this one on court and Anycolor might countersue but the public will have a negative opinion on them regardless of the outcome of the lawsuit. Their stock value will decrease, that's for sure.

>>68946819
You can't sign away your employee rights in a contract, anon. You as an individual can't say "x court has jurisdiction because I say so." That's not how any of this works.

I know international business relationships are legally complicated but it's funny how many people are coping by trying to pretend Nijisanji is somehow out of reach of any consequences behind the fortress-shores of Nippon.
Hell just a few months ago a bunch of koreans in korea sued japanese companies in korean courts for WW2 reparations and won.
The "nuh uh" defense doesn't actually work in the real world.

>>68947203
Anon the rules for contract remote work are different.
Remember she's not an employee she's a contractor.

>>68947895
This anon knows his shit
If Niji wants to continue doing business in Canada they will need to comply

>>68947895
>a bunch of koreans in korea sued japanese companies in korean courts for WW2 reparations and won
They won't pay. It's just for show

>>68947021
She 100% loses the harassment claim if she cant find any actual harassment messages. We know she doesn't have any because her lawyer opened with a recording of Vox talking about favoritism.
If she had an ironclad harassment case her lawyer would've opened with that and be done with it.
Also more rrat-adjacent we know there's no real harassment at nijiEN because they have a discord leak a month and doxxsiters have to scramble to find fault in therapyspeak and numale catty comments. It's just a shitty and caustic work environment but that's not "hostile".

>>68947512
The athlete exemption is specifically because a large portion of canadian athletes working internationally are involved in Russian businesses (ie russian hockey leagues, ice skating, etc.). Russia is not a signatory of any binding international agreement with Canada regarding jurisdiction or international business, so Canada has no legal means of protecting canadians working for russian companies. Thus the exemption.

Fortunately Japan is not a rogue state that routinely flouts international rules and norms.

>>68946636
Ironically, the clique is Canadian too. If they don't pay up (labour law side would be handled by the Canadian government0 they would likely be unable to work for nijiEN

>>68948153
>She 100% loses the harassment claim if she cant find any actual harassment messages
If this gets to discovery it's going to be hilarious, guarantee some of the livers have deleted/edited messages compared to screenshots Selen has taken already which will poison the well.

>>68947512
International remote worker law does seem complex but it's not possible to "sign away employment rights" as that would lead to the easiest employment law loopholes ever and let people get away with anything. PIPEDA, or BC's equivalent, would also not be impacted by remote worker issues, whether or not she's a remote contractor the company is expected to protect her information. Nijisanji could just not show up and refuse to do anything but that would probably lead to a worse result for them than paying damages

>>68947021
A suicide attempt is not a slam dunk, holy shit. I could claim that someone physically abused after I almost killed myself but without proof, it's pointless

>>68948153
https://www.canada.ca/en/employment-social-development/programs/workplace-health-safety/harassment-violence-prevention.html
Here's a fun set of federal guidelines defining harassment and what a company's inherent responsibilities are with regard to preventing it and responding to complaints thereof.
Please note
>spreading malicious rumours or gossip about an individual or a group
>socially excluding or isolating someone
>persistently criticizing, undermining, belittling, demeaning or ridiculing someone
>using the Internet to harass, threaten or maliciously embarrass someone
>abusing authority by publicly ridiculing or disciplining a subordinate
>abusing authority by interfering with a subordinate’s performance or job (for example, blocking applications for leave, training or promotion in an arbitrary manner)
Like they are actually so fucked

>>68946819
I am pretty sure that’s not how shit works and actually would be an illegal contract in most nations.

>>68947471
wait if that's true then it makes the fact that nijisanji losing the criminal court they had with a jp liver even more fucked

>>68948508
>a company being informed that a worker is being harassed to the point of suicide and taking no action
that is literally a slam dunk case anon

>>68933348
>>68933385
I'm not schizophrenic, is this supposed to be proof of some sort?

>>68948834
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they filed for an appeal because it is very rare that companies end up losing in Japan

>>68948937
it literally says "Living with BPD" in the first image blind chama

>>68948484
>editing/deleting
this is literally the dumbest thing they could do because that become charges of evidence tampering, and discord keeps logs of when/how things were modified so they can see if they tampered with messages

>>68948143
Pretty sure the court can force them to liquidate assets to make them pay but it's been a while since I last read about that particular case

>>68948524
If I had to bet the house the only thing you're going to see in this case is management blocking Selen's projects because they don't want to do their job. Pomu also talked about this.
Literally anything else would need actual "We fucking hate Selen because she's too purple, no one talk to her"-tier comments. Persistent ridiculing, malicious rumours, demeaning,... would've come up way before "vox talking about favoritism".
Impossible to argue they were socially excluding her after all the recent offcollab stuff, and trivial for nijis to say she just gets like that sometimes and you dont know why shes being so mean all of a sudden.
Also if any of this was the norm it would've leaked months ago.

>>68933045
She probably will win do to the tendency of Japanese companies to refuse to understand the laws of other nations.

>>68933045
They tried to kill her.
Western civil court juries do not look favorably on companies that do that.

>>68947471
No one cares what japs think and what legal bs their country use.
Happening place is Canada.

>>68948484
It's still not going to be anything you can take to court. Its all tumblr girls and effette guys trying to out-petty eachother, they're not going to do anything explicitly illegal consistently enough for Doki's side to make a harassment case around it.

>>68949024
Zero chance discord would divulge those in a case as small as this.

>>68948492
I asked this earlier bit didn't get an answer. Was the lawyer of niji allowed to share the information on selens writing with Elira and her group?

>>68948524
>spreading malicious rumours or gossip about an individual or a group
No proof this happened
>socially excluding or isolating someone
Selen wasn't excluded or isolated. Even if she was, not being friends with your coworkers isn't a crime
>persistently criticizing, undermining, belittling, demeaning or ridiculing someone
No proof this happened to Selen yet
>using the Internet to harass, threaten or maliciously embarrass someone
You'd have to prove that Niji released the statement with the purpose to embarrass Selen and not the purpose of being transparent to their audience
>abusing authority by publicly ridiculing or disciplining a subordinate
This wouldn't fly in court. Their job is to be entertainers online, all actions they do are online.
>abusing authority by interfering with a subordinate’s performance or job (for example, blocking applications for leave, training or promotion in an arbitrary manner
They'd have to prove that management deliberately were shit to fuck over Selen and not that the management is shit

>>68949095
Bonus points if the judge in question is an activist judge.

>>68949187
>zero chance discord would give their easily accessible information if subpoenaed
???
there is literaly an edit log on every chat and server anon, you send them the chat ID and they send back the edit log

>>68949187
Discord is easy as fuck

>>68946987
nah, the apex thing was said behind her back and on stream

the saddest thing was how fast the girls laughed at enna saying that, making it easy to think it was a ongoing inside joke, and if what slips out onstream is that bad sounding... I'm not an insider, but just saying in the usually things only get worse if they don't need to care about who's watching, and I'm a firm believer
that what constitutes as bullying should be for the party that feels hurt to decide

>>68948933
There was nothing stating that Selen complained about harassment while in Niji. If Selen can prove she was being harassed and Niji deliberately ignored it, it'd be a slam dunk. She has yet to prove anything

>>68949242
>no proof of this yet
that's what discovery is for you dumbass, her lawyer submitted a discovery document asking for the contents of certain livers' chats and management communications to verify if these things happened, along with an order to not modify these items any further.

You know, the thing that got fucking leaked to the talents and then to viewers

You stupid fucks could at least wait until Doki makes her new statement before going off on these wild fruitless speculations

>>68949424
So there's no proof of it yet. Thank you for agreeing with me

>>68949242
It's going to end up being trying to catch sympathy points from a jury from both sides, hence why the video from Elira and co. yesterday mentioned that Selen was the bully. But even if Anycolor loses the case, they will almost certainly try to appeal.

>>68949499
this is probably going to be lawyers talking to each other for a while so i will continue to wildly speculate

>>68949534
damn you're retarded, they have shit schools in indonesia huh?

>>68949390
I think in doki's first stream she said her lawyer reviewed her receipts and gave her statement the ok, and she's smart to not go online abt this

>>68946987
I've seen it go both ways. Relatively tame office banter being succesfuly admitted as workplace harassment, and hazing being dismissed just guys being guys.
With Enna in particular if she's said she'd stop if you tell her to stop, and Selen didn't, then Enna is probably going to win that case. That's assuming there even is any actual bullying (consistent aggressive behavior done to harm Selen), which I honestly don't really think happened like Selen thinks it happened.

>uh, well actually vtubing is illegal in Canada and Japan is fucked
This sort of shit is funny to me. Like, yes Canada is a third-world shithole and the government is regularly campaigning to lose access to the global Internet and making its youtubers threaten to leave the country...but just assuming this one incident is going to eliminate the existence of vtubing in Canada just feels like a retarded stretch.

>>68949242
There will be no proof, the maximum you will get is a message from Doki or niji saying that they've won the court in a year or two

>>68949242
>No proof this happened
They have 3 public statements now doing exactly this. These aren't behind-closed-door abuses. They have literally come out swinging publicly and provided all necessary evidence into the public sphere. That's how monumental their PR fuckups have been.

>>68949499
Where’s the fun in that?

>>68949862
>No proof
Thank you for conceding

>>68949808
the smart thing for nijisanji is to shut the hell up and pay her some money and never bring it up again. they've been beyond retarded, including bringing up bullying in the termination notice and then talking about how they shared documents with people who are not under any agreement to keep confidential information confidential, so they probably have the stupidest lawyers on the planet

>>68949580
>But even if Anycolor loses the case, they will almost certainly try to appeal.
Even fighting the cases would be a monumental waste of time and money for them. The sensible approach would be to seek expeditiously to settle the matter out of court so they can leave it behind as quickly as possible.

>>68933045
The only reason people are defending Niji is because they think their precious oshi is being sued, which was absolutely Anycolor's intention with that puppeted smear video.

can selen be refunded for the 200k she spent at her work?
i know its literally her money but she commissioned a bunch of stuff for work, this should be paid by niji, right?

>>68945873
To give a frame of reference, in the United States you could have bipolar and be 100% fine with everything in society, however I’ve seen people with borderline diagnosis get security clearances revoked losing their jobs and also get kicked out of the military. One case involved a person losing their clearance and getting their job reassigned after a sexual harassment case where it came out that she was diagnosed as borderline.

>>68950023
it's hilarious because the reputational dmg they're incurring is far more costly than any settlement

>>68950079
are you 12 years old or have you never worked before

>>68949718
There has to be a pattern over a period of time, it can't be a one time thing, that's up to selen's documentation.
Another thing is that it typically needs to be reported to the management and the management did nothing.
The last bit is any sort of direct harassment against selen's BPD, any sort of disability, etc. So yeah, it's just not some mean words and you can claim hostile work environment.

>>68949424
> her lawyer submitted a discovery document asking for the contents of certain livers' chats
This never happened.
>an order to not modify these items any further.
Request was not to disclose anything related to medical documents.
>the thing that got fucking leaked to the talents
>"thankfully only my diagnosis and reason for hospital stay was reported without further private info being disclosed"
Wrong again.

The only case you have here related to documents is whether or not Niji telling her talents "she tried to kill herself and was hospitalized" is illegal if done AFTER Doki said it herself on stream to 100k+ people.
Easy to argue both ways ("its public domain at that point and we just internally confirmed what she said" vs "its confidential no matter what and what she said on stream is irrelevant").
>and then leaked to viewers
Not illegal if the above point is not illegal.
Not illegal x2 for the talents since they were not under confidentiality and they didn't know it wasn't supposed to be shared with them.

>>68950023
Unfortunately a lot of corpo's will go through expensive court proceedings as an intimidation tactic. I think it's called a Slapp suit. Most people don't have the time and money to go through a whole court case, and most people don't want to spend all the effort. Sure- if they think there's money at the end of the whole thing, but the corpo probably has better laywers.

It might not be the most fiscally sound idea to go picking fights like that but it's pretty common.

>>68946010
>Selen won't be working under Canadian employment law because she's an international remote worker whose job is "located" in another country
retard, she's a canadian citizen working for a multinational corporation in canada. canadian law absolutely applies.

>>68950178
This is bait, do not respond

>>68949808
>niji
>won

>>68950023
business liability insurance, anycolor doesn't pay anything if they are sued, insurance takes care of everything, including hiring an attorney. Assuming anycolor is smart enough to have bought one.

>>68950178
>The only case you have here related to documents is whether or not Niji telling her talents "she tried to kill herself and was hospitalized" is illegal if done AFTER Doki said it herself on stream to 100k+ people.
Anon are you okay? Please summarize the order of events as you remember them.

>>68950079
she can certainly try to sue for it

>>68950178
>Not illegal x2 for the talents since they were not under confidentiality and they didn't know it wasn't supposed to be shared with them.
Correct, Nijisanji is on the hook for that, not the livers.

>>68949349
Ennas comment about an apex predator could go a variety of different ways though. The first scenario is if she was actually talking about Selen. While nobody else in the EN ever got to be that level, if you are not familiar with a games leveling/ranking system It could be easy to make a mistake where you believe that somebody is a rank that they're not in said video game.

Then, the other thing is that if she was talking about Selen, at worst that would be lightly ribbing and God only knows that people like Finana have received way worse even when she's not on stream. At the end of the day it's supposed to be a joke, which is why people laughed.
Reimus been the butt of a lot of jokes herself especially jokes involving her race.
If that's the worst comment that was ever made by Enna, she has even more of an uphill battle than I would think

>>68949976
Cope harder lmao

https://www.youtube.com/live/A1YCUbQOJB0?si=jCyeWUC6LTevrbTO&t=302
THIS IS THE SMOKING GUN NIJI NEEDS TO WIN
SHES A NEOPETS HACKER
SHES GOING TO PRISON

>>68950285
Want to bet they bought a yacht instead?

>>68933348
>no vtuber gf with beautiful princess disorder
Fucj fuck fuck

>>68950479
>still no proof

>breaks Canadian law by unlawfully recording a coworker
Yeaaahh if anything her lawyer probably rammed Doki in the ass after learning that shit and is telling her to shut the fuck hope in the hopes Vox doesn't make charges.

Don't get me wrong I would've liked to see Niji burn but this retarded bitch only made them stronger in the long run.

>>68950178
Why are you posting your dream diary here?

>>68950204
Canada does in fact have Anti-SLAPP legislation but typically for a civil suit like this, particularly an employment pursuing action against a company for labour rights violations, the arrangement is such that the lawyers extract their fee as a % of the eventual payout. They do this so that that wronged individuals can afford to take big companies to court, because a won lawsuit with a payout is worth more to the legal office than a lawsuit that never happens.

Same approach as ambulance-chasers, essentially. There's a whole legal industry built around providing legal representation to plaintiffs that can't afford to pay legal fees, by using the payout as collateral. Obviously, the firms are careful about picking their cases because they don't want to lose and end up working for free, but it sounds like Selen already has representation so at very least an office that makes it their entire business to win labour cases has determined her labour case is extremely winnable.

>>68950751
>Vox
>make charges
Of what?
Also good time to bring his PL underage victims to light as well.

>>68950751
one-party
learn what interception means legally
retarded tourist

>>68950241
Retard here asking for the third time.
Was the lawyer not allowed to tell Elira and the clique, that they might get sued in court and for what?
>hello, doki might sue niji due to workplace harassment. Also she blames you Elira.
>what did she accuse me of exactly?
>sorry can't tell you, but it's serious

>>68949499
I'll be intrigued if she actually makes a statement that reveals any more information than what is already out there. Because I will say that from everything I'm reading it does not sound like anycolor violated any laws by letting people know that they would be involved in a lawsuit as potential first parties in the lawsuit.
The fact that she's also been quiet for 15 hours now, without a single post extra, doesn't exactly inspire confidence that she's got much else to say legally.
I could be wrong, but my guess is if she streams again Today she'll say something like
>My lawyer is looking into the matter and has advised me not to mention anything else regarding the situation until further notice.

>>68950751
retard, Canada is a one party consent for recording

>>68950751
Actually according Canadian law she would be in the right to record him.

>>68950931
Allowed to tell, not to share privite documents you fucking retard

>>68948524
The only thing that actually has any sort of grounds is
>abusing authority by publicly ridiculing or disciplining a subordinate
Because Millie actually did that. There's nothing to indicate anyone else in NijiEN ACTUALLY had a coordinated bullying campaign and were excluding her. She was still invited to big events and was even able to conduct events of her own. And there weren't really even any negative rumors about her either

>>68950330
>lilypichu song uploaded 25 December
>lilypichu song blocked 27 december
>Selen has a mental breakdown, tries to kill herself, is hospitalized
>Radio silence for a month until 28 january when Selen says shes in the hospital
>Feb 5 Selen is terminated
>Feb 8 Doki streams, talks about her suicide attempt and bullying situation, mentions her lawyer and the document they're writing.
>Feb 13 Elira Vox and Ike release a PR statement where they mention the document mentioned above
What did I miss, then, retard?
Do you think the document was sent to Niji and given to talents *before* Feb 8?

>>68951029
From the sounds of it the only thing that they shared out of the private documents was in regard to the people who would be directly affected by the contents in the documents. Which they're in the legal right to do and would be actually considerably worse if they did not share that information.

>>68951029
No, they're allowed to tell anyone involved and to share the relevant parts of the document with the concerned parties, you literal fucking retard.

>>68951054
Actually you are in the wrong, she and any color mentioned that during her stay in the hospital she had forwarded documents from her lawyer to any color and had threatened to go public with said documents if things did not improve for her, at which point in time the company terminated their contract with her.

>>68935134
dis nigga saw "bird" in doki's name and thought his extensive experience in bird law would carry over

>>68949291
>>68949346
Courts won't/can't compel them to produce this in a civil case

>>68949242
What's up with you retards who think you're part of the court case and are privy to their evidence and proceedings?

If the document was shared with those 3, does that mean that they were mentioned in the document and were probably the ones who bullied Doki? Looks like Niji told them to bite the bullet because they were guilty.

>>68951196
So do you think the document was given to the talents BEFORE or AFTER February 8 when she publicly said she tried to off herself. One is illegal, the other is legal.
The timeline we have has Doki's lawyer send the full document stack concerning Elira, Millie and co on February 8 or later, and Nijisanji confirming she was in the hospital after a suicide attempt, and sharing the relevant parts of the documents with Elira, Millie and co.
This part is an extremely easy case for Niji and you should'nt be gaslighting Doki into thinking she can win this at all.

>>68950931
The lawyer was allowed to contact Elira, ask for clarification, and then provide information on a need to know basis
not drop the whole fucking document on her and let her leak it to viewers

>>68951449
Oh, and we're talking about when the documents were shared with the talents, it was most definitely after she made her statement.
I honestly do think that she's fucked when it comes to law, like I said the fact that it's been nearly 16 hours without a word from her tells me that the slam dunk just got blocked.

>>68951262
>courts can't issue subpoenas
anon.....

>>68950151
...yes

>>68951115
If you are bound by an NDA, and then you receive a document under that NDA that contains the name of a friend of yours, it is reasonable to assume that your friend would have to sign that same NDA before being allowed to view the document. Otherwise, you've at the very least broken the NDA by sharing information with a person not bound by it.

>>68951303
You mean this entire thread?

>>68951657
Good thing there was no NDA involved in this procedure and the confidentiality agreement only covered the medical documents, then.

>>68951562
Again, it doesn't sound like she had access to the full document. According to any color she was only given access to the relevant parts involving her and her friends who are also going to be involved in the case. Her direct involvement and her being a first party in the case means that legally speaking she and others are involved.

>>68951449
The talents claimed they were "praying" for her after they heard, which was before the document stack.
Niji fucked up earlier than that.

>>68933045
From what I can guess, she is probably suing them for workplace harassment, creating a hostile work environment, etc. Last night's video would likely be used as additional evidence of the hostile work environment.

Whether they go to court depends on a lot of things, both what her demands are and how Nijisanji management reacts to those demands. If all she wants is some sum of money, and nothing else, they will probably just give her some cash so she goes away.

But I doubt that's all she wants. She is probably asking for an explicit public apology from Anycolor and may also want an explicit guarantee that Anycolor and its employees will never, ever discuss her or her actions or her channel in public ever again. That's what I would want in her position.

If such demands are being made, I think Anycolor is probably resisting them, and I suspect such demands are probably what led to last night's meltdown on YouTube. A lot of these people working for Anycolor seem unable to tell the difference between Twitter and a courtroom. "Owning" someone on Twitter or YouTube does not mean you win in court.

In terms of how the case will actually go, it's impossible to say because we don't know what evidence Selen has collected. However, please keep in mind Anycolor lost both the Yuzuki Roa case as well as their lawsuit against Narukami, so their legal team seems to me to not be very good.

Frankly if it were me in Anycolor's position, I'd settle and issue an apology letter and forbid any of the three bullies from ever discussing her again on social media as long as they were employed by Anycolor. But frankly, Anycolor should never have been in this position in the first place and should never have repeatedly attacked her in public and never instructed its employees to attack her in public.

>>68949979
It's far more likely they're simply ignoring the advice of their counsel. In a situation like this, the first thing the lawyer does is tell you to shut up. They either didn't ask or ignored his or her advice when they pulled this stunt. You would be amazed at how stupid so many companies are and how many of them refuse to follow their lawyer's advice and get themselves into further hot water.

>>68951654
she isn't getting refunded anything man. she spent that money off her own back. never spend money for any employer, even if they offer to pay you back. either they front the cash or it doesn't get paid

>>68951657
you don't know what an NDA is lmao

>>68951739
I wonder who's behind this post....

>>68951762
To be fair they didn't say that they'd heard that she had been hospitalized due to a suicide attempt They had heard that she'd been hospitalized and was not responding to any sort of communication.

>>68951657
We don't know the details of what or wasn't in the NDA. The document itself probably wasn't covered by NDA because Elira was saying that dokibird went public with it, they'd be doxxed. IMO the only thing covered by NDA was dokibird's health information.

>>68951805
You can say what you want, I'm just saying that It very much feels like they were within their rights to give the bare minimum of knowledge to people who are going to be involved in the lawsuit

>>68951762
When they thought she was in the hospital because of an accident, which was after Niji got the medical records, but before Selen was terminated, and before the concerned parties got involved in the documents Selen sent circa Feb 8.
With the timeline we have Niji didn't fuck up at all.

>>68951905
They have a right to know they were accused and named, and that they were having their info collected for discovery.
They did not have a right to go in front of 200k viewers and claim that they were being doxxed by selen because they were named on a lawsuit and they were concerned about thir family's safety

Even if you're going to share basic information from a document under NDA, you should still consult the other side's counsel so they know what any disclosure will be. So that there is understanding over what is being shown and when.
Otherwise the statement "we showed them information" will be taken at face value and Anycolor had to prove after the fact that they didn't break any laws. And keep in mind that in civil cases, the standard of proof is already lowered so Niji even saying they showed ANYTHING is a bad move.

>>68951905
>bare minimum of knowledge
>livers admitted in 4k they read the whole thing

>>68952024
They were not bound by any confidentiality agreement vav Doki + lawyers.
If the part of the document they were legally allowed to see had their actual real name in it they're allowed to say it. They'd be allowed to read it outloud verbatim if they wanted to be completely honest. That part wasnt bound by confidentiality (only the medical records) and again they're not bound by anything at all regarding Selen.

>>68952024
If they're not under an NDA they have the full right to disclose the information that they were privy to. And from the sounds of any colors tweet, they are not under NDA.
They disclosed what they legally could which was that their names and addresses had been dropped in legal documents and That one of them had been recorded Against his will.
>>68952132
They read what was provided to them by management, which according to management was the bare minimum. It was the information that they needed to know regarding their safety and their interest in the case.

>>68951389
Yes. Rats simply panicked and being retarded zoomers vomited that video succesfully burying themselves even more.

>>68952036
Maybe, but on the same hand also disclosing information to those directly involved in the case is not against the law and in fact is how you usually would operate something like that. If you're being involved in a case, if your name is being dropped alongside your address and the case is potentially putting you at risk, you should have the full rights to know what the case is involving and the degree to which you are involved.

>>68951449
>you should'nt be gaslighting Doki into thinking she can win this at all
You are so stealthy i can't

>>68952036
>under NDA
It wasnt under NDA and any agreement needs to be completely outlined before its signed. You dont need to ask the other part anything after its done and agreed.
>the statement "we showed them information" will be taken at face value
The statement was "we shared only necessary parts of the information send by her lawyer with our livers", which can be taken at face value to easily win the case.
>Niji even saying they showed ANYTHING is a bad move
Niji disclosing this information with the concerned parts they were being legally threatened was the only legal thing they could do actually.

porn ahed:
https://twitter.com/s_h_uuko/status/1757279302742356228

>>68952575
It looked better before coloring

>>68950433
from my limited knowledge it's just not plausible that they were talking about anyone else, if there are receipts I don't know, please enlighten me

as I said this is just my take if that's the worst thing on stream on main, I'm personally betting its worse off screen

your other thing is what I'm saying, jokes can be taken in different ways and sometimes what's funny to someone can be hurtful to another, and whether the involved people were close can also affect their perception

I don't think coworkers have to be close, I'm just saying most people without rose tinted glasses would relate to feeling pretty alienated in an environment where coworkers do that that them

>>68952390
I can smell doxxsite inflection at 400 paces, you're not fooling anybody, sister.

>>68951054
plus she requested to leave on amicable terms, and we all saw how niji is shooting themselves in the foot and letting livers dox themselves

>>68952217
>recorded against his will
not illegal to record your coworkers in British Columbia
>toeing the exact nijisanji defense force line
LOL!

>>68952902
Being a shit company or having petty vindictive managers is not illegal albeit

>>68952761
>sister
Are you fucking kidding me, i wish all nijiEN males painful death along with their fanbase

>>68952217
>That one of them had been recorded Against his will
one party recording consent

>>68952720
She made a comment about a certain Apex predator but that's literally all she mentioned. Enna has a pretty extensive history of ribbing Reimu during collabs and also has played apex a total of two times both of which ended with her throwing up. Suffice to say that her knowledge about the game isn't exactly top tier, Reimu is an okay at best player who has been up to masters I think. There is enough plausible deniability to where you could say that it's possible that she was ribbing the same person that she often does, the same person that she shares a ship with because of the fact that she ribs her so often.