/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>68931724
Confirmation from upper management if it's ok to still include them, retard.
Are you playing dumb on purpose?

>>68931724
I was wondering the same. Matara and Kuro do NOT own Nina and Mysta, the characters are owned by Nijisanji so they didn't need to wait for confirmation from Mata and Kuro, they needed to wait for a decision from upper Niji management.

>>68931724
this have the same energy of
"u buy a ferrari but u dont own the ferrari"

>>68931724
my rrat (read: true statement) is that mgmt purposefully ignored her for over a day with the excuse of seeking confirmation, knowing she would post the video herself, to private it and spite her.

>Why did it take like forever for that
it's christmas, who the fuck is going to respond to work emails?

>>68931811
being retarded comes naturally to holofags, it's a requirement to be one infact

>>68931811
>Selen Tatsuki's actions in violation of the Activity Rules encompass a wide range of issues, such as non-compliance with rights confirmation and authorization flows, which could potentially lead to infringement of third-party rights, including copyrights.
>which could potentially lead to infringement of third-party rights, including copyrights.
>copyrights

>>68931847
Nah, even if they did that nobody is dumb enough to fall for that.

>>68931988
>taking the statement literally
So you're as dumb as niji management thinks you are.

>>68931724
This and the whole "you shouldn't play released songs from other livers without approval" thing are so incredibly dumb that I don't know how they can manage a company of that size.

>>68931811
If this specific approval process isn't "oh yeah, of course. Why are you wasting my time asking about this?" then it's fucked. I would feel more inclined to agree if she included someone terminated, but that's not the case

>>68932146
Of course it's fucked. That doesn't change the fact that that's what the confirmation was about.

Give me a qrd on that whole fucking video, I missed everything

>>68931956
Sorry, Hololive members have been having no issue whatsoever mentioning or including graduated / fired members in their projects / streams if they want to. The whole concept of having to ask for permission to include other fellow members (graduated & fired included) in a harmless MV is rather… alien

>>68932484
Elira: it was me, Enna, and Millie
Vox: Niji lawyers gave us access to sealed documents
Ike: I'm Ike

>>68931724
Reminder that this has been in the works since 2022
The byzantine and obfuscated methods of getting perms is a part of the black company. Those who fall out of favor will get fucked over while those in favor gets everything greenlit in a speedy fashion. This is to pad the file at HR with infractions so you can fire people with cause because they never follow the rules

>>68931811
They told her to wait for an indefinite amount of time, even though she'd pleaded with them to allow her to release it for christmas, even though the MV was made known to management for at least a year prior to the release, even though she'd shown them the storyboard which included the still-frames depicting the ex-livers, even though she had already got permission from the original singer, even though there was no rule against incorporating ex-livers in songs, even though Enna had included an ex-liver in a song just a couple of months prior without any issue, even though the pajeet manager went radio silent for 37 hours without updating her about the MV, even though management never explicitly clarified the issue was the ex-livers depicted until AFTER the fact, even though management quite literally created a brand-new rule about depicting ex-livers in your orisongs or MVs after the debable, specifically to justify the sabotage.
It was cut-and-dry, overt, and unabashed malicious intent aimed to sabotage Selen. They never even managed to verbalize *why* they decided to ratify this new rule, and *why* Selen's MV was objectionable, by the way. All why have is Vox's word, 2 months later, that management *would eventually* unprivate the video.


Fascinating.

>>68932086
How else is someone supposed to take it if not literally.

>>68931877
Christmas isn't a holiday in Japan.

>>68931826
Why does it have to be this way? Can't they make a rule? Graduated members are ok, terminated ones are not, and be done with this? Why are japs so autistic?

>>68932677
You're supposed to assume the parts where Niji fucked up are fake and the rest is real.

>>68932677
Read between the lines, retard. The reason has been obvious since day 1 and the confirmation of that was just posted.

Since I also worked for a shitty company once, let me explain it how Niji probably see ex-livers:
>They are traitors for leaving
>They would be nothing without us
>They are ungrateful for what opportunity we gave them
>We will not allow them to be mentioned or referenced anymore
But since mentioning this directly to Selen would be bad, they tried to purposefully ignore.
Many projects get stuck somewhere and be forgotten.

>>68932595
>make thing
>ok at the time, just need approval
>take so long to approve it, it's no longer ok anymore due to people quitting, so can't approve it
>get mad when it's posted

>>68932593
>it was me, Enna, and Millie
Really? How the fuck did schizos know?

I thought if there was a general rule, it was to not profit off of them after they left the company. I don't see how a picture in a cover song would do that.

>>68931877
>who the fuck is going to respond to work emails?
someone whose job is managing people who work on and around christmas.

If you have any reports at all and take longer than the end of the work day to respond, you are not doing your job.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3TnOiVudXQ
>planned before Mel's termination
>released 10 days later with no changes
>management had no problems having her depicted in the MV
Why are Cover like this?

>>68932823
Elira was dumb enough to confirm that her, Millie, and Enna were listed in the complaint. She also said that the inclusion of their contact information (on a private legal document) made them fear for their safety.

>>68932833
>it was to not profit off of them after they left the company
How nice of them. Nijisanji white company!

>>68931956
Lmao. Are you really going to bat for the absolute shitfest of a company that is Niji, and trying to deflect to Holo? The one company that is standing up for their talent even if the talent fucks up, and tries their goddamn hardest to give the talents an amicable farewell no matter how badly they fucked up? Even Rushia who giga fucked up was being protected by them and had to double down and keep fucking up over and over till her incompetency finally leaked.
Meanwhile you will actually bat for the company that has such shitty working conditions that people want to kill themselves in it.

>Doki's said that her manager was changed at least twice
>very real chance that not only >>68932763 happened, but that this manager in the screenshot came after she got the drafts for this project approved and went "actually no"

>>68932869
Not letting Nene have NePoLaBo and the Momosuzu family isn't worth it. Plus, the song is a banger.

>>68932651
Maybe try asking a bit earlier if it was that important instead of before Christmas eve.

>>68932833
Lmao, they fired Selene and then put up a notification for her merch sale.

>>68931724
>Confirmation for what???????
Please understand, management sent DMs to the ex-livers' dead accounts and they are still waiting for a reply.

>>68931724
That MV isn't even a problem, they should have fired her like Holo did to Mel, but they decided to be petty, like bullies, with their statement

It's so fucking wild that all of this happened because of 3 seconds of 2 ex-Livers.
They couldn't hide their pettiness

>>68932983
being without integrity comes naturally to nijinigs, it's a requirement to be one infact

>>68933082
The MV is the problem to them.

>>68932928
90% of the agency is probably listed in the documents in one way or the other. I guess people see familiar names and get excited.

>>68933051
Yes, that's what everybody is mad about. The timing. Not that Kurosanji is a shithole black company that treats real people like garbage. Just wait indefinitely.

>>68933156
It's confirmed?

>>68931811
So they lied on their official statement about third parties being involved?

>>68931811
>>68933297
And then people still keep asking why anyone would believe Selene over Niji. When at every fucking step Niji stumbles over themselves and self reports on their own lies. Over and fucking over.

>>68932823
>Doki's lawyers sent Niji's lawyers documents that were meant to show harassment took place.
>Elira somehow gets to look at it even though it's meant for legal eyes only.
>She confirms she, Millie, and Enna are listed on it, thus outing them as the harassers.

>>68932854
if you look at op's screenshot, you can see that selen's manager replied at 21:28 on 25th, next day by 12:25 video was already up, that's a 15 hour time window and out of those 4.5 hours were regular work hours. maybe selen should've done things in advance instead of dumping it on her manager during weekend during christmas?

>>68933297
They didn't lie because they didn't say it was specifically because of copyright. They added that shit there as a red herring to both make the issue seem more serious than it was and to distract from the real reason.

>>68933156
At this point the MV was really just an excuse. There is no way they did all of this nonsense because of japanese corporation autism or to protect company's non-existent reputation, it's clear that they just fucking hated Selen and decided to turn her termination into a telenovela in an attempt to kick her out of the internet forever.

>>68933260

>Video was removed due to third party copyright
>Actually it was our own internal copyright
>The rrats were right

Niji has told so many lies at this point I don't know how the bootlickers can trust them.

>>68933589
Backfired spectacularly in that case

>>68933260
Pomu did it, why couldn't Selen

>>68933498
That's alot of words just to say they initially lied.

>>68932593
>>68932823
>>68932928
>>68933453
What timestamp? Didn't hear Enna or Millie being mentioned, didn't listen very carefully though.

>>68933654
Pomu isn't bipolar.

>>68932763
I bet you could've hear an audible snap from her mental break after reading the reason for privating the MV.

>>68933681
What did they lie about? They didn't say the problem was copyright.

>>68933700
Starts at 2 minutes

>>68933498
>its not a lie if I call it a red herring
Anon.. what? How is it not a lie when they claim someone's actions were problematic because it could lead to xyz.
>Oh it would only be problematic because of xy, we just made up z and added it as a bit of a red herring :^)
How is that not lying?

>>68933453
>She confirms she, Millie, and Enna are listed on it, thus outing them as the harassers.
Is she stupid?

>>68933719
Neither is selen dumbass. She has borderline personality disorder, not bipolar disorder

>>68931988
Try to compare two versions. This is very clear they lied from the start

https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1754459182412222481 (EN version)
https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1754459488499958110 (JP Version) posted one minute later
https://twitter.com/officialdudneon/status/1754579610203816384 (translation)

>Kurosanji keeps changing their story.
All you need to know.

>>68933453
Best case scenario, Elira is actually part of management. Worst case scenario, she just terminated herself too. Or maybe is vice-versa.

>>68933798
Yup. That or a clinical narcissist, and I don't mean this in a "cute VTuber" way, either.

>>68933817
Sorry I'm not well versed in LGBT terminology

>>68933774
It's not a lie because it's not a lie. They said the problem was with X and Y which could POTENTIALLY mean issues with A and B.
The problem was still with X and Y but for reasons they won't mention publicly because it would make them look worse.

Japanese lawyers are pretty shit, desu.

>>68933493
>out of those 4.5 hours were regular work hours
doesn't matter, management is not a job with regular work hours, especially if you manage someone who has irregular work hours.

>>68933738
>selene made problematic statements that niji management privated the videos
>oh yea, we had management private her videos (first niji statement)

>management was sent legal documents that are to be kept confidential
>oh yea we shared them with livers, and them sharing it with others is fine because they did not sign the nda/confidentiality agreement (again niji statement)

>it was a potential copyright issue so we had to act on it
>ok it was not a potential copyright issue, it was our copyright/ip all along, we just fucked with her a little

They also got caught posting tweets as the liver and skinwalking their accounts... which is pretty fucking creepy.

Those are the most blatant obvious at first glance lies. Then you also have the whole pressuring livers into """""family holidays""""" aka stealth suspensions. Really shows how much they love transparency and being honest with talents and their fans.

>>68934075
the manager obviously needed to ask someone else for the permissions, do you know that other person's work hours?

>>68933654
Pomu is gone

>>68933297
Which one? Is it in the termination Selene statement?

>>68934151
Who did they need to ask? They own the rights to the characters and their likeness.

>>68934151
that person is also a manager and therefore also has no regular work hours

>>68933493
nah, the perms were obtained on aug 2022, storyboards and drafts of art would need to be oked long before she paid all the way up to 15000 to get a finished vid

This is niji EN okaying then backtracking/not getting "grad livers perms" for over a year

>>68934280
FUCKIN LMAO

>>68932869
What about picrel.

>>68933817
Bro if she tried to kill herself she's a fucking nut no matter what way you put it.

>>68934280
top kek

>>68934217
how would i know? it's obvious the manager needed to contact someone if you look at op's screenshot

>>68934079
>>selene made problematic statements that niji management privated the videos
>>oh yea, we had management private her videos (first niji statement)
Not a lie.
>>management was sent legal documents that are to be kept confidential
>>oh yea we shared them with livers, and them sharing it with others is fine because they did not sign the nda/confidentiality agreement (again niji statement)
Not a lie. This is just them doing something they shouldn't be doing and admitting it. Not sure why you're bringing this up.
>>it was a potential copyright issue so we had to act on it
>>ok it was not a potential copyright issue, it was our copyright/ip all along, we just fucked with her a little
The stated issue was Selen not complying with a bunch of stuff. I already told you that the copyright shit is just added on and not what they claimed to be the real issue.
>They also got caught posting tweets as the liver and skinwalking their accounts... which is pretty fucking creepy.
Not a lie either.
>Those are the most blatant obvious at first glance lies.
Not sure why you're so hung up on a single word like this. Me saying they didn't lie isn't me defending them.
>Then you also have the whole pressuring livers into """""family holidays""""" aka stealth suspensions.
Wow finally an example of a lie. Just categorize things correctly. It's not hard.

>>68934412
The termination notice said that she was claiming workplace harassment due to the management. Why would you take the manager at face value?

>>68931847
My rrat: 24-26 december, christmas, family stuff. If you have a project with a hard deadline, why the hell would you send it so late?

>>68934527
Holy autism

>>68933493
>>68934151
>37 hours
>Can't even bother to drop your top talent a message like 'Alright, I'll check it out later' in any one of those hours
>Cockblock your talent after 37 hours for some arbitrary reason
>Expect them NOT to go rogue

Incompetent management will always be incompetent, lmao

>>68933493
>4.5 regular work hours
Anon, it took management 37 hours to reply that they are going to check something for the 100th time.
They have been telling Selen to wait for something new for over a year. Truth is, management never had the intention of letting Selen release the cover, they wanted either Selen to give up at some point, or release it so they could take it down and then make up some bullshit reason or another to either never unrelease it.
This project has been in the works for over a year, anon. Money was already spent, and the video was ready to be released at prime time. Only a self-sabotaging or an incredibly negligent company wouldn't have things ready for Selen to release it.

>>68933841
This.
If one party has the same story and the other keeps changing their story, even within the same day, you know who is telling the truth.

JAPANESE APOSTROPHE

>>68934600
as someone with problems procrastinating, because it's the only way you can get shit done. last minute hyperspeeding through shit.

>>68934600
Japan treats Christmas as we do Valentines

The manager messages are irrelevant anyway. They are cherrypicked messages to make it look how they wanted it to look. Show the full conversation, including prior communications about the mv. I bet it's not as black and white as Niji tried to make it look

>>68934316
I can't believe they let Marine show guns. 4kids please help me!

>>68934916
Even if it was 100% exactly as black and white as Ninjisanji is making it out to be, it's still such a minor issue that it would be weird to fire Selen over it. Let alone pulling out the unhinged shit they've actually done.

>>68934688
You don't get it: The entire point was to tug on Selen's leash and tell her to cut the crap, stop trying to push projects last minute on the management and behave like everyone else who gets pre-approved and run everything by the manager so the manager can actually do their job. Selen just keeps trying to force her own way through everything by announcing things and doing them without approvals, then getting pulled back and spanked. This was the last straw for Niji and they had to terminate her for insubordination.

>>68934916
>They are cherrypicked messages to make it look how they wanted it to look.
and it still made them look fucking awful

>>68935216
Anon, you don't get it. That's not how normal businesses operate. They don't delay the release of a project that you put 15k towards over some petty bullshit. They also don't leak HR complaints to the parties involved.

>>68935306
ikr the fact that they couldn't provide any context and only had the balls to show a glimpse of it was so fking funng

>>68935216
Fact of the matter is - there was NOTHING in the MV that would not be approved for any reason. So why are we doing this dance?
Niji DID NOT clarify why the took down the MV for a reason
>This was the last straw for Niji and they had to terminate her for insubordination.
that's wrong tho

>>68934916
>>68935306
>So why is this released before I got confirmation @Selen Tatsuki?
Powertripping fuckwit indeed. Who the fuck else talks like that to an employee, never mind a talent that actually brings in the cash?

>>68935216
>The entire point was to tug on Selen's leash and tell her to cut the crap, stop trying to push projects last minute on the management and behave like everyone else who gets pre-approved and run everything by the manager
You're assuming all of that based on absolutely nothing.

>This was the last straw for Niji and they had to terminate her for insubordination.
Then why didn't they?
Why did they drag this on for months, make an absolute spectacle out of firing her with a public three-page "list of sins", and then continue to chase after her nearly a week after she'd moved on and started doing her own thing?

The legal shit is what it is about the MV is just a part of it.

Straw that broke the camels back.

>>68935530
>You're assuming all of that based on absolutely nothing.
>>68921384

>>68934688
About removing the MV, could it be that the management is part of the bully or the gang somehow persuaded the management to do it?

>>68935803
Bully are the top part of the management

>>68935135
If we take what Vox said and Nijisanji's reason for her termination, was that about 4 other times when she tried to do any sort of event for herself.
Imagine doing all the work and a retarded manager can't be bothered to check if it's good to go or not. Takes almost 2 days to say that he watched a 3 minute video, but needs more confirmations.

>>68934916
That screenshots are like anons who patched things using GIMP to get (YOU)s

So what kind of harassment and bullying it even was?

>>68935530
They want to deplatform her like Zaion.
That's the only reason

>>68936023
Want to try that one again?

>>68933051
Ask earlier? What makes you think they weren't aware of it already? Do you really believe they only got told about it with the final video, and not the previous months of commissioning, sending contracts and NDAs, and approving the art?

>>68936023
I don't know she never reveal

>>68931724
Japanese bureaucracy

>>68931724
it was a new rule made after the fact, KEK
a lot of ex nijis were shown in different MVs after their graduations
retards went ahead and made up a new rule so they can slander her

>>68933274
Yes check the video Elira and gang released, they said the reason the MV was privatized was because of them.

>>68936023
they literally harassed her live on stream
why do you even need anything else

>>68935389
in Japan it sadly is. There are a lot of people in Japan who hate initiative and who hate people who don't go with the grain and who hate people going outside the chain of command.

>>68933156
Making up random rules to fuck with people and then pointing at them to blame the other person is literally "how to bully 101"

>>68936738
Honestly the West has a lot to learn from them. I'll take that over the culture of egocentric snowflakes worship.

>>68936738
It doesn't matter. They're working overseas, so they're beholden to overseas law.

>>68936719
This, I can't think of a single reason they would overlap her stream that that isn't malicious.

>>68932146
Remember the time one of the livers' names temporarily disappeared from that Identity cover? Think that was the same kind of bullshit?

>>68932651
>even though Enna had included an ex-liver in a song just a couple of months prior without any issue
Which was this btw?

>>68933445
>>68934200
>Selene
kys retarded ESL tourist

>>68931724
Holy shit that manager can barely speak English, no wonder they were a nightmare to work with.

>>68933493
The thing that amazes me the most is the way they even highlight the timestamps in the screencaps like they think it makes them look good

>>68933051
You see they corroborate her account and cannot fathom a world where they deliberately crop earlier requests in this absolutely limp attempt to paint her as villainous? Have you considered your GED?

>>68931724
There's like a bazillion things you could hate Nijisanji and its talents for, and I generally support Selen, but how are anons justifying her decision to go against the company's policy? Unless I'm misunderstanding something, the sequence of events went something like this:
>Organize the project
>Get permission from the artist
>Get video/music done
>Ask management for permission to upload it because it''s what the company requires
>Management tells her to wait
>Selen goes YOLO on them and uploads it anyway
>Management privates it because that particular manager didn't get approval from whoever is responsible for those things

In this particular instance, you can blame Niji for their policies or slow work pace, but if she wanted to get the project done on time, why didn't she start working on it earlier? You can clearly see from the screenshot she's asking for permission hours before Christmas.
I'll never make excuses for shitty Niji's management or their toxic talents, but this looks like a problem she has created herself.

>>68931811
>Confirmation from upper management if it's ok to still include them
Nijisanji contradicted themselves already by claiming the cover song broke Activity Rules over third party copyrights but than admitting later that it was deleted because it included livers that no longer work for the company. They keep acting like the permissions request was only being delayed for a few days but the MV was being worked on for months so they are setting up a false narrative knowing Selen can't give any details because of the NDA.

>>68940522
>but how are anons justifying her decision to go against the company's policy?
Where do you see this happening? Are these anons in the room with you right now?

>>68931724
Proof that nijisanji own exclusive rights to nina's model?
Reasons selen shouldn't have to wait for confirmation when asked to regardless?

>>68940522
Wasn't a policy until Selen did it.

>>68931724
Nijisanji needed to ask itself for permission to use its own intellectual property. Prease undastandu. Management totally wasn't making up a nonsensical excuse just to harass Selen or anything ha ha

>>68931811
2 cents have been deposited in your account. Anycolor thanks you for your service.

>>68934792
>BPD/ADHD shared procrastinative clutch superpower
The more I learn about BPD by actually researching it to engage with the Nijisisters, the more I identify with Doki and her struggles with BPD as a symptomatically adjacent ADHD autist.

>>68941147
Anon, if Niji doesn't own exclusive rights and Nina doesn't own the rights, who owns the rights?

Management was acting with intentional incompetence and sabotaged all of Selen's projects. They ignored her requests on purpose, lied and changed policy multiple times just to tell her no that she was wrong. Publicly.

Tell me that's good management. Tell me right now you would work for people like that.

>>68934792
If only i am involved - sure, i can only fail myself, but since there were many people in this project it would be wise to have some extra time just in case.

>>68940522
I don't see anyone trying to justify her going against company policy. I see a lot of people calling company policy shit, calling how they handled it shit, and various other things. It's generally agreed from the start that she probably, now confirmed, broke company policy and could get terminated for it after her Twitter fit. That's not in contention, it's never been in contention in the majority of conversations about it.

So why do you feel the need to defend Nijisanji management against attacks that aren't happening? Is it because this is their only valid point among a mire of stupidity and failure?

>>68941463
Do you know that Nina forfeited all rights?
How about so-bin?

Not really the point though. Why do you think Selen shouldn't have to wait for permission like everybody else does? Other people featured retirees just fine, because they waited for permission.

>>68941685
>>68941221

>>68941685
Post the full Selen-manager communication log without redacting shit out, then we can talk. I'm almost sure you have it.

>>68940522
>>Get video/music done
>>Ask management for permission to upload it because it''s what the company requires
>>Management tells her to wait
There's a big gap between those
Prints shown are clearly for the final check on the video, the day it was release. It wasn't some hidden project, management new about it when it was done.
Then she asked for the final check. Management took 37 hours, way way after the planned release date of the video, to respond and say she had to wait.

>>68931724
Shouldn't we be waiting on another public response from Selen/Doki? Right now, Niji made the 2nd shot, we should be waiting to let this play out instead of picking sides.

>>68941813
The policy was changed because Selen went behind their backs to post a video they hadn't approved yet. It's a preventative measure for the future, not a retroactive justification of anything. They were already justified in privating the video since she hadn't gotten approval.

>>68942023
>your honor I did it because 37 hours is a lot of time and who would want to wait that long? Obviously this makes me right.

>>68931724
Its the same treatment zaion got, they will ignore and ghost her until she graduates or gets terminated
They never wanted her to put out this MV

>>68932086
>taking the statement literally
>your honour, actually we fired this worker on a lark and the entire article that we wrote and published explaining why is just a literary excercise that we wrote because we thought the deep metaphors would have literary merit
>no your honor i do not know what libel is, but i do know slander and that is what selen did to me when she recorded our conversations and played the recordings of my own voice in court
Cant fucking wait

>>68942186
So the video didn't get approval because of a policy change they made after it was uploaded without approval?

>>68942540
No you retard, before you had to wait for approval to show them while now it's outright banned to show retired livers.

>>68941685
>Do you know that Nina forfeited all rights?
NTA but yes. The idea that she'd retain any rights over the Nina character after leaving Nijisanji is so fathomably unrealistic that you deserve to be slapped for it.

>>68942186
Which reason came first? I'm asking before Selen requested everybody to reupload
>MV has copyright
or
>MV has ex-livers

>hey, you can upload this video
>>okay
>actually, jk, you can’t so now you’ve broken the rules
>>please explain why?
>no one will ever believe you

>>68942743
You finding it unlikely doesn't mean it's false. But it doesn't matter wbo they had to ask, Selen should have waited for permission to post the video and if she did then nothing would have happened.

>>68934916
This is how I know Nijisanji is in the wrong here-- they had the opportunity to present things in this stream to their complete advantage and this was the best they could do

>>68934916
Showing actual messages already makes them more transparent than Selen.

>>68942186
Selen bypassed management because management made up a bullshit new rule for the specific purpose of sabotaging her.

>>68934527
I was bringing it up because we are talking about trust. Breaking trust, lying... oh wait no, I mean spreading false information and using misleading statements erodes trust.
Its a lot of *akshually* "totally not a lie by the exact google definition taken from the oxford dikshunary" does not fly in the real world friendo.
If you keep saying half truths, mislead people and try to trick others, people will brand you a liar and stop believing what you say.

>>68942921
What was the reason, if there's no explanation did you really think she wasn't going rogue?

>>68932983
i would very much prefer if everyone in the EN vtuber sphere killed themselves

>>68943060
>showing doctored images makes them transparent
The niji brain rot is real.

>>68943245
>t-they're shopped!!
Cope.
>>68943189
Explanation for what? She was told why she had to wait and then told the video was privated because she didn't wait.

>>68943600
>She was told why
Which was?

>>68931724
>drama farmers were right this whole time
>schizo rrats were right this whole time
I'm going to be kneeling forever at this rate.

>>68942250
You mean
>because months+extra 37 hours over the deadline
right?

>>68942250
>your honor i didnt do my job for 1 year and 37 hours, she could have waited a bit longer

>>68943600
They are as real as Vox's friendship

>>68944214
kek

>>68942186
>>68942250
So
>it was never a problem
>selen asks for final check on the day of release
>management shows its lack of competency again by waiting 37 hours to review the final product
>and doesn't anyway, asks for more time (wait)
>by then selen had already uploaded the video because it was never a problem and took the silence for granted, since it was never a problem
>management gets angry because selen acted without them
>made a new rule to blame her for breaking the rules, new rule being that selen needed to wait for them to approve her using their own IP
>smear campaign, saying she didn't get perms, but never telling anyone the perms are from themselves
and we're here

One of the funniest elements of this is that everything that keeps happening post the suicide attempt is just NijiEN management trying to jump in front of Selen dropping dox over and over. She's BPD, as soon as she sees a new shiny she's going to get distracted and put all of her energy into that and everything else is just an annoying distraction. It really demonstrates that none of management knew how to tardwrangle her at all and she probably was a pain in the ass for them.

>>68933798
Yes

>>68943060
maybe because she said the wanted to forget it all and move on, so she never revealed anything even after getting terminated and ALL OF THIS DRAMA is nijisanji revealing all this shit themselves?
also, she literally ended her neopets stream to talk with her lawyer because she had shit to show, didn't want to show, but has to show now because of this nijiEN video

>>68931724
By their own admission, this isn't even the reason why dokibird tried to off herself. During the video, vox explains that nijisanji had all en livers call doki at the same time. And it was whatever the fuck they said that triggered the event. This permissions shit is literally unrelated to the case. I dunno why they keep doubling down on it.

Was it really not possible to just remove graduated livers from the video? I feel like it was either hasty to tell people they can re-upload it or something else was up.

>>68944299
It was a problem and she was told so.
>asks for more time
Whoever the manager asked was takong a while, whether it was Nina or a higher up busy plowing his missus on chrisrmas we can only speculate.
by then selen had already uploaded the video because
She thinks the rules don't apply to her.
>made a new rule
Stop being retarded, the new rule has NOTHING to do with the situation, it is a blanket ban on showing retired livers in the future so people don't just rush ahead assuming they don't need permission like Selen did. Other people have shown them before because they waited for permission, Selen couldn't wait because she was too insistent with posting it on christmas.
>saying she didn't get perms, but never telling anyone the perms are from themselves
It doesn't matter where she needed permission from, what matters is she needed permission.

>>68931724
>termination notice claimed Selen's actions could potentially infringe on third-party rights
>post screenshots showing the video was taken down for including ex-organs
>ex-organs who belong to Niji
Hm...

>>68944693
As per the video;
>Vox: "A buildup of past experiences"
As per rrats:
>The rule didn't exist until after she submitted the finalized version of the mv

So basically:

1. Selen gets tired of her incompetent revolving-door management and starts going out and getting perms on her own
2. Tiny brained Japanese management gets booty blasted that she's circumventing their bullshit
3. Mean girls clique starts bullying her, aided and abetted by management
4. Selen works on a video for a year and spends 15k of her own funds on it as a present for her community on Christmas
5. Management decides to shit on her by making up a 'rule' on the fly that says that she has to have perms to use graduated streamers likenesses in her video (Perms that Nijisanji can grant at will because Nina and Mysta as characters are Nijisanji's IP) despite the fact that other streamers have used graduated NijiEN characters in their material before with no repercussions
6. Millie as a representative for the mean girls clique decided to drive the knife in by going 'Oh noooo Selen-chan didn't you get perms????'
7. Selen goes 'fuck it, you win', tries to become AN HERO, calls her lawyer and files a harrassment complaint (with receipts) and tells Nijisanji management to just let her graduate ASAP and this can be settled quietly
8. Nijisanji goes completely fucking insane and fires her and admits, WILLINGLY and without being forced in any way in their own press release, that she was being bullied, and just keeps tripling down despite the fact that Selen has done nothing publically to provoke them in the slightest other than get a bunch of subs and money on her PL account

>>68944502
She was so eager to move on that she brought it to court.

>>68944507
I'm sure Enna can express her concern about a potentially harmful tweet perfectly professionally.

It's a deflection. They think that if they can justify pulling the MV they win.

>>68944889
Anon they did.
Nijisanji literally did.
She was literally just playing Neopets, literally.

>>68944876
damn

>>68944770
They had a whole year to check.

>>68944800
They worded it very specifically. She didn't follow authorization flows which are in place in part because of potential copyright infringement.
It was recognized pretty much immediately that this didn't actually claim anything about the situation had anything to do with copyright infringement, it was just gish galloping.

>>68944958
No, she was trying to sue and had named Elira which is why Elira spoke out in the first place.

>>68945045
I thought they had 37 hours, will you dokishills make up your mind?

>>68945094
No anon, that was a document about her health and what she could and couldn't say, signed by her, her lawyer, and nijisanji's lawyers.
That was a legal document that she couldn't bring or make it public, no even them.

>>68944770
>It was a problem and she was told so.
Yeah it was a problem made up by management because they were out to sabotage her.
>assume they don't need permission
Nijisanji doesn't need perms for its own IP. Unless your name is Selen. Then it magically does.

>>68945076
So Selen was impatient and management took their sweet ass time to get an update. Why are we taking sides again? Seems like both are at fault.

>>68945094
that document wasn't for sueing, it was signed by both parties and would only ever show up in court as intended if any of the parties broke the deal

>>68945213
Proof there is a large scale conspiracy against selen?
No, her being asked to wait for permission is not proof of a conspiracy. You would at least need proof that other people didn't need such permission which you don't have.

I'm still reeling that fucking Nijisanji thought that 'Oh we pulled the video because you need perms to use the images of characters that we, ourselves, the Anycolor Corporation, own under copyright'

They SERIOUSLY thought this was going to be the slam dunk to restore their credibility when in reality it makes them sound even more insane then they previously did. This, out of everything I have seen, is the smoking gun that Selen really was being bullied

>>68945263
Because of everything else regarding the situation. The MV thing in isolation was mostly regarded with an even handed 'lel, that's dumb'. Then Nijisanji kept putting their fist in their ass.

>>68944770
>Other people have shown them before because they waited for permission,
Do you have any proof on this?

>>68945385
>Proof there is a large scale conspiracy against selen?
the 3 page document shitting on her when they fired her?
litteraly everything else that is happening right now?

>>68945168
The video was being made for a year, r*t*rd.
>>68945387
The same company released a statement saying "our livers aren't under contractual obligation unlike us, so them leaking information into the lawyer document is not breach of anything :^)"

>>68944770
So you agree nijisanji acted out when they could've dealt with all of this without the schorched earth tactics?
If it was just the MV, getting their own perms is such a minor problem it shouldn't lead to any kind of violent terminations, it's a literal nothingburger.
And she was only told it was a problem late 25th almost the 26th.

>>68944876
There's a certain personality type isn't there, where a percieved slight must be squashed despite it being against your own interests. I think this may be an asian thing, in the US we have a saying 'never wrestle with a pig, you'll both get dirty, and the pig will enjoy it'. That's not me saying Selen is at fault- I'm saying hypothetically if she was at fault, it's fucking stupid to engage with her. And that seems to be what you successfully do with previous Vtubers that had to be let go for drama (from different companies).

So let's say Selen is nuts. The smart play is just radio silence on the whole thing. Now lets say she pissed you off and you wanted recompense and got petty and tried to clamp down on her. If you were smart and emotionally mature you'd stop trying to retaliate the first time it blows up in your face.

>>68945385
>Proof there is a large scale conspiracy against selen?
are you stupid? they harassed her live on stream and them almost every niji EN reposted it as it it was some kind of decent statement
Like... what fucking else do you need?

>>68945387
Do you know for a fact they have exclusive rights to the appearance of retired livers or are you just speculating? I keep seeing this claim but nobody has posted proof.
Either way, she was told to wait and she didn't. Who they had to ask isn't that important.
>>68945483
If they didn't get permission the videos would've been privated.
>>68945500
Firing someone is not proof of a conspiracy, try again.

Who the fuck is Selene anons.

>>68945734
how many times have they fired someone and then
made a 3 page document shitting on them
had 3 other vtubers talk about classified info
had the CEO come out personally to apologize?

>>68945734
>Do you know for a fact they have exclusive rights to the appearance of retired livers or are you just speculating?
Why won't nijisanji themselves clarify what the fuck their deal with ex-livers was huh? Care to wonder WHY it is STILL not done?
>Either way, she was told to wait and she didn't.
her shitty manager is not her boss and he can fuck off

>>68945734
>If they didn't get permission the videos would've been privated.
That isn't proof about the rule existing
If the rule existed before, how did the original MV pass all checks for months (talking about the art and visuals) and ONLY on the 11th hour it was found out Mysta and Nina were on it?

>>68931724
>Splice between the messages
>Non-zero chance that the messages are sourced from different timezones
>If they're both JST, that means the manager took 37 hours, almost to the minute, to inform Selen of the issue.
>If you assume management is not working on a weekend (which they should be in an entertainment industry), then even that excuse still leaves about 13 office hours of the manager not addressing a very important detail
>On a video that has been being worked on since at least 2022, when they got the perms for the song.
>This is obviously something they had discussed before, since Selen only had to mention "Cover Video check". This was likely a final pass check and it had been reviewed by management before. Artists have confirmed that Niji was aware of the project as early as August 2023.
If memory serves, the cover was originally posted at 7p PST on the 24th, which is noon JST on the 25th.
Now, even assuming that Selen was 100% in the wrong, never talked to management about this video at any point in its months-long production, and this is the first time they are seeing it or hearing of the details of the project, that is still roughly 27.5 hours between her posting a 4-minute cover for review and it going live on the channel. If that manager can't spare 5 minutes to watch a cover MV, a long-term project for one of their premiere talents, they are either critically overworked or being neglectful of their job.
I will repeat that: At the absolute worst possible reading of the situation, Niji still fucked up pretty badly. By the time that manager even responded, Selen was probably already in the hospital. She may have even already notified them and been in the hospital when they sent this message. And because of that possibility, the message is basically worthless as evidence of anything.
Do they think gaijins don't have critical thinking skills or something?

>>68945653
She probably would've been let go peacefully if she didn't urge people to mirror it. I think that was an even bigger retard move than uploading it.
>>68945803
How many people tried to sue after getting fired and caused them to rapidly bleed subs?

>>68944876
7. a. Nijisanji as all EN livers call Selen and her emergency contact with currently unknown remarks.
7.b. Selen goes 'fuck it, you win', tries to become AN HERO
7.c. All EN livers continue to call selen and her emergency contact while she is in the hospital.
7.d. Selen calls her lawyer to manage all the calls she is receiving.
7.e. Selen files a harrassment complaint (with receipts) and tells Nijisanji management to just let her graduate ASAP and this can be settled quietly

The smart play would have been. "We have decided to mutually end the contract with Selen and wish her well in future endeavors" the end and wins all around.

What I don't get it is: Why was it such a problem to use their own IP on the video?

>>68945839
Her manager is quite literally in charge of managing her activities, if she can't follow simple instructions like "wait" then fuck her.

>>68931724
The ex-liver in question was actually Selen. Manager was asking for permission to tell her she's been fired long ago.

>>68945940
>She probably would've been let go peacefully if she didn't urge people to mirror it.
They still could've done that even with it anon... It's their own IP...

>>68945940
how many people have they bullied to the point of attempting suicide?

>>68945940
2 apparently. Not to this scale obviously, but they all took a dent from both Yugo and Zaion, and they both got legal representation.

>>68945910
Selen didn't show the completed video until then? We don't know. You can't just assume Selen had properly communicated who was in it though.

>>68946039
it's not his fucking job to give her simple instructions
his fucking job was to approve the fucking MV which he failed to do

>>68946059
Not enough if you're still breathing.

>>68946240
>You can't just assume Selen had properly communicated who was in it though
No matter how you try to spin it it's still all on management who can't manage their talents for shit

2:34 into the video and she can't even hold it together to not laugh

>>68946240
>Selen didn't show the completed video until then?
Anon that's impossible, are you retarded?
It's a cover song, a fucking cover song, you can just make a cover song hidden without your management knowing about it. Hell, the management response on the printscreens show they were aware of it beforehand, they just weren't sure about the ex-livers.

>>68946240
It's their IP. If they didn't request a storyboard, they are idiots. And if they did, they can't claim they didn't know about ex-livers being in the mv.

>>68945926
Okay but are we all in agreement that the moment Selen announced that she'll sue, Njisanji first act of business is go on a smear campaign?

>>68931811
Are you? Niji Defense Force is pretending like management didn't know about the inclusion of them until December 25th when they had to approve of the storyboards a fucking year ago.

This just further unmasks how incompetent their management is. They forgot they already signed off on the inclusion of these characters, they sent a single(!) Email to the Producer of the original song to ask for permissions and never followed it up, they stalled this entire project for so long that they are the only ones to blame for this entire situation.

>>68945385
>Proof there is a large scale conspiracy against Selen?
The poorly written 4 page document that Nijisanji whipped up against her. Also Elira's entire stream trying to character assassinate her. It literally is a conspiracy, like what the clique pulled with Zaion only this time they aren't getting away with it at all.

>>68946240
the biggest proof that they knew about it is that they never said anything about NOT knowing about it, since its such a slum dunk argument
they for sure would've put such info in their 3 page termination notice, but they didn't
hmmm I wonder why

>>68946258
He's a manager, essentially another boss. If he says to wait for permissions to go through, she has to wait

>>68946258
>it's not her managers job to manage her
She got a reply saying he was waiting on it and she promptly ignored this and posted the video anyway.

>>68946582
>only this time they aren't getting away with it at all
Yet, they still have a chance to get away with it if Doki doesn't make a proper response

>>68946400
We know she sent the video on christmas eve. They might not have known it featured graduated livers if she didn't specifically mention it.

>>68946608
>She got a reply saying he was waiting on it and she promptly ignored this and posted the video anyway.
Factually wrong.
She posted the video BEFORE the manager gave her that notice.
The deadline was on the 25th, and iirc the video was uploaded early 25th (jp time), when she asked for a final check early 24th.
The manager didn't answer for the final check until late 25th, hours later the video was posted. By the time she posted the video, she had not broken any "rules"

>>68946780
You can't pretend management didn't know the contents of this project, since they were stalling it all year long. If they weren't involved, how could they stall it? Oh wait, they already confirmed they were stalling it. So your entire argument falls apart.

>>68946780
Anon, those things take money, time, and effort.
They don't pop in like magic.
Forget about the final check, to get the MV done you had multiple quality checks prior to it, not because of rules, but to check the quality of the video, any art mistakes, any continuation problems, sound problems, proper synch, etc

how likely that this manager is the same one that has the beef with Zaion?

>>68946821
Posting a video you have to ask permission for without waiting to get permission is indeed breaking a rule.

>>68946780
if the management didn't bother watching the video or the making-ofs a single time for months... that's literally on them...

>>68931724
Isn't the whole point of robbing their play buttons because it's Nijisanji's IPs? And now they need livers' permissions to include the characters? The ones they already own?

>>68946947
Is this confirmed or are you asuming all this?

>>68946992
But she got the perms? She even had to double check with lilipichu for it, she just wasn't aware of the made up perms that came after it.
Her fault for not being psychic.

>>68947064
Assuming, none of made us /here/ made an MV before

>>68947064
...what?
no really, what do you mean?
do you really think videos just pop out of nowhere?

>>68947078
>made up perms
Take meds.

Meanwhile Choco can release a full on duet with Mel to zero pushback

>>68947064
basic videomaking?????
you dont just write something down and then send it without checking for errors right?

>>68947155
Do you THINK every stage was shared with management or do you KNOW so?

>>68947151
It took me three days to make my Gaston Parody and that was just still images In half assed tossed together and just changing a few words.

>>68947269
I just HOPE the management was MANAGING, which is what their job implies.
It doesn't look good on them if you imply they were not doing their job.
Even worse when you say they KNEW about the project the whole time.

>>68946462
>Selen lawyers up because Niji has been ambulance chasing her, and harassing her and her emergency contact for at least a week or two by this point.
>She begins legal negotiations with Anycolor
>Doki's statements and Anycolor's statements combined make it appear that she was negotiating better working conditions, and when that failed, she was negotiating for her peaceful graduation. Anycolor confirms in their statement that their part of the negotiations was that she release a statement saying that Niji was in the right for everything.
>Anycolor themselves admit in their own statement that negotiations stalled.
>Selen says she's willing to go public and make a legal battle of it if they're not willing to settle which, by the way, is fairly standard procedure in the western world. I don't know if that's how it goes in Japan, but that is literally where the term "settle out of court" comes from.
>Anycolor, again, by thier own admission in their own statement, IMMEDIATELY terminate Selen (without notice, according to Doki), and then issue the termination notice, attempting to put themselves in a positive light while attempting to put Selen in an unfavorable light.
Yeah we can say that.

>>68946039
They had a literal year to so that you fucking mongoloid retard nijitranny

>>68934055
It's not as if they have any motivation to improve, the court system being what it is

>>68947302
Post it. I wanna see it, idc if it's yours or you just searched it. Want proof

>>68947361
Did selen share the various stages with her management or did she correspond with the artist more or less by herself? Because it sounds like it was the latter to me.

>>68947064
Have you never worked a single day in your life? What are you, Finana?

>>68931877
I'm in productivity analysis for an outsourcing company with tens of thousand employees around the world.
You better believe upper management has to work Christmas/New Years/weekends/holidays, as long as the floor is functioning as well, no matter if the particular production floor has 10 or 500 people.

Upper management salary comes out of the earnings generated by the production floor.
Fuck off are you not working if those you're in charge are. If you took the day off when those you're in charge are working, without for example asking for a different member of upper management covering for you, that would be at the top of my notes for staffing recommendations (ie I'd tell the bosses you should get laid off, in cryptic terms such as some of your specific actions being detrimental for production).

>>68947269
every? maybe not
but the fucking art/visuals of a fucking music VIDEO that is going to the world's biggest video plataform that will cause thosands to millions of people to see?
absolutely
you're retarded to think otherwise

>>68947404
Cool

>>68941284
>Nijisanji needed to ask itself for permission to use its own intellectual property.
i wont fully defend the management but this move and western niggers awkward reaction is interesting because normally western companies are so afraid they never show anything to their customers to follow their DEI/liberal iron codes.

>>68931877
I was working a customer support job on the 25th and we had a manager on the floor

If your staff work on that day, your manager works on that day

>>68947673
Both cases sound like extreme management imcopetency and negligence.
It's a MV, management has to be at least aware of the video content art and music wise since its something that will be shown to the public.
If they're not and she's hiding the info, it's on them to get it out of her. If she isn't hiding the info, and they just failed to check for whatever reason, that's their fault.

>>68931811
So you are confirming the management screwed Selen as its a project that took weeks to make. Which also means they had that that entire time to consult themselves for permission to use their own art? They had the perms for the song, perms from people who made the video but not their own? For weeks.

Did I get that right, anon?

>>68947151
Careful, /hfz/ might be lurking.

Parrot please don't die

>>68947885
Why tho?

>>68947838
And selen who is commissioning it would have to be the one to share it with them. We have no proof she did and no proof she didn't.

>>68948030
Did you even read my post?

>>68948021
/hfz/ makes MVs all the time, brother. They definitely know how long it takes to turn one around.

>>68947269
Considering the DMs they showed specifically only made mention for perms of the Ex-livers and nothing else, then yes. Clearly they were aware.
If not, they would have made clear they had no perms from others involved which also means being aware of the stages.

>>68948030
They're getting the bills according to artists on Twitter. So it's not like she's hiding the entire project. Which means it's part of their job to check up on her projects that they're supposed to be paying for.

>>68931724
The answer is very simple: They are a black company who like torturing and destroying the dreams of their employees.

>>68948083
I see. Thanks for the warning, brother

>>68948090
If they only needed perms for the graduated livers then either they weren't in the drafts or the drafts weren't shared.

All this MV stuff only matters if you care about arguing whether Nijisanji was right or wrong to terminate her.

Selen herself hasn't even bothered to fight them over termination, it's not a sticking point in the slightest for her. She doesn't care about whether she was 'rightfully' terminated or not because she was going to quit anyway - she wanted to graduate on Jan 26. Which just highlights how egregious Anycolor's mishandling of the situation was.
If they had just said 'Selen was terminated for repeated violation of activity rules, including the MV publication and assorted other instances' that would probably have been it. The public can quarrel over whether it was justified or not but in the end the quarrel would peter out, unless Selen, at that point, dredges up the harassment stuff and contests the termination, in which case she would seem like the crazy antagonist trying to get Nijisanji to un-terminate her by any means possible.
Instead, because they were so terrified of what she could possibly release, they threw all the harassment claims out into the open, drew their own livers into it, and have since kept feeding more wood to the fire all while constantly claiming fear of legal action from her. Which makes them look insanely guilty, because a public statement confers no legal advantage whatsoever. Now because of the stuff THEY put out to smear her, she is practically obligated to pursue the harassment claims against them with overwhelming public support. They gave her casus belli for no reason at all.

>>68931877
Xmas in JP is for couples. You think THESE managers are drowning in poon?

>>68948256
or they pulled that new perms needed for their own company out of their ass to spite her

>>68948030
anon already talked about it
>>68947838
>If they're not and she's hiding the info, it's on them to get it out of her.
and technically, it isn't on her to share, it on them, the management, her bosses, to get this info out of her and she has to comply or she'll be breaching their contract
they never mentioned any of this in any of their posts, that she didn't comply with providing info about the MV
hell, if the public, the artists, and the original creator of the song knew about it, and all outside people they needed perms from knew too, why wouldn't her manager not know about it?
its gross negligence if you imply they let selen do everything in this project all by herself, then blame her that she did it all by herself

>>68948294
I think they're drowning in Pagpag

>>68944507
>why they keep doubling down on it
because nips are rule followers and saying "she broke the rules so she was fired" gets them to believe you
also the classic saying of "if the facts are on your side you pound the facts", etc
the only fact on their side is doki broke the rules so they have no choice but to hammer that fact over and over and make it a huge deal

>>68932723
But is it a holiday in India?

Bros.
Are corporations just an ideological antithesis to natural human relationships and experiences?

>>68947838
You have to think like a black company they are. They knew what they were doing. If they got involved, she might have asked them to pay full price for it. They let her do the project alone to avoid that risk.

>>68948345
>or anycolor is actually run by crab people and selen is our last hope against the crustacean menace
I don't see how that what if scenario is relevant anon

>>68945713
>where a percieved slight must be squashed despite it being against your own interests
This is literally how people with BPD act, not even joking. Everything is an escalation, everything must be addressed, you MUST have the last word and no one is allowed to leave you till you are 100% done with them.

It's ironic since Doki is the one with BPD, under management of medication, and then niji acts like an unmedicated retard

>>68948490
because you said they either werent in the drafts or she never showed the drafts
so i answerd with the third posibility that they are just a shit company that wanted to bully her by making up new shit so they can private her stuff

>>68945168
anon, the 37-hour timeframe is between the completion of the video and the manager telling her "lol u need perms". the song and script had been ready for over a year. they had upwards of a year to read it and go "hmm we'll get permissions for the nijisanji characters listed in this script, let's start working on that", but they didn't. they just said everything was fine and waited until the last minute.

>>68931811
what are they going to do?, sue themselves?, plus this kind of projects take several months to do and several meetings, are you seriously going to tell me that none of the managers could take that into account before the release date?, are you retarded anon?.

>>68932055
>has a rule that you cant yawn in the office
>has a second rule that you cant murder in the office
>break rule #1
Our employ broke our rules and following out rules are very important to ensure no one murders anyone

>>68948595
But why is selen effective against the crab people while the army isn't?

>>68948810
but why would she send the drafts or not have them?

>>68931811
are you, faggot?

I keep getting this shit on my feed and came here for context. I'm inclined to think vtubing shouldn't have gotten big enough for corporate bullshit and bully cliques to happen in the first place.

>>68948774
ment to reply to>>68932086

Don't know why you guys are still engaging the lone, inbred ndfkek in here. He's been regurgitating the words "permissions" and "wait" for almost 20 times, despite other anons explaining to him that perms were never an issue and that she waited long enough, as well as the fact that the MV's production value meant that its production had involved niji management from start to finish. There were absolutely zero chance of them being surprised of its contents. Seriously, the faggot's deliberately being obtuse. Please stop feeding him.

>>68931724
the real favoritism is that the management is favored by niji
all livers are treated like sweatshop workers. some, a little less that others

>>68949057
>perms were never an issue and that she waited long enough
Perms were exactly the issue and if she waited long enough there wouldn't have been an issue.

>>68949057
i find it funny that they just go
>managment doesnt need to manage anything

>>68931724
It was only ever an flimsy excuse by management to fuck over Selen.
There is no deeper logic behind it.

>>68949217
If she waited long enough, it might have been her graduation gift. Funnily enough, it is now.

>>68949057
What we really need is the confirmation on the suicide attempt, if she could publicly release the medical documents. Whatever the NDF do, they can't defend the fact they drove their employee to suicide

>>68949477
If a youtube video being privated is what drove her over that's a testament to her being crazy more than anything else.

>>68931724
Imagine if Bae had to go through all this shit for her MindCraft cover.

>>68949665
Well, more like this shit been building up for months/years and the MV is what broke the camel's back. She was working on this MV while also dealing with other shit that she wasn't allowed to do

>>68949665
did you forget she had to spend 15k out of her own pocket for that MV, and 200k for other projects, because niji wouldn't do shit
no one cares about the straw that broke the camel's back, but what was loaded on that camel in the first place

Can someone please give me a QRD on the Niji stuff from the last 12-24 hours? I'm a little lost

>>68949665
>If a youtube video being privated is what drove her over...
Nobody ever said that.
What was said is that a bunch of organs dogpiling her after the vid was privated (allegedly on the behest of management and we just saw them announcing the 15min video in similar fashion) was the final straw of something that build up over a long time.
Parts of that build up are public and a easy guess. Management not paying artists bills, cancelled tournament, cancelled concert, getting in trouble for blaming management publicly for those and all the drama around NIJI compounding.

Wait second. Why has Niji been so damage controlly? Like it's not like Salen was going around trying to start shit. It's just been them adding shit to the fir they started.

>>68936738
>in Japan it sadly is
No it isn't. Sure, the nail that sticks out gets hammered down, but in Japan, it's done in private.

>>68950647
The company and management have huge egos and are determined to bury Doki by having the last word constantly

>>68950254
Watch Elira's last video and Riku's video on the Nijisanji World channel. Congrats, you're caught up

>>68933051
Sometimes I myself wonder what it's like to be literally retarded

>>68931811
>>68931956
>>68932086
sisters aren't sending their brightest

>>68950254
Nijisanji successfully created the social media version of the strawman template comic, using EN livers as the stupid and unreasonable character and Riku was the smart and reasonable protagonist.

>>68932086
>taking a legal statement literally
Yes, that's what you're supposed to do in matters involving the law.

>>68950254
30 minutes before Doki's first gaming stream, Elira sets up a stream to happen right at the same time on her channel, with the title "A message from NijiEN"
The stream starts, and it's just a black screen, with Elira and Vox throwing Doki under the bus by saying the legal document had their names and addresses on them, showcasing that they know of information that they should NOT know about. Ike is there at gunpoint too.
Doki has to stop he stream for legal counseling instead, and in the meantime, Anycolor drops a statement saying "Uh, our talents didn't agree to any NDA they can talk about it :) We investigated ourselves and we are the good guys here." In response to their talents speaking of a document they shouldn't know about in detail, even explaining what the contents of the documents are.
Then the CEO releases a statement that's more to the stockholders than for anyone else, it's harmless but also does nothing to save their reputation.

>>68950647
Because the 3 page doc didn't get the public to hate on Selen but instead themselves. Gotta have that positive impression no matter what

>>68943060
EN
DEE
AYY

>>68950254
>Niji uses the kadokawa seiyuu defense
>makes livers read prepared scripts to trash selen
>makes a ststement they have found no wrong committed by their company
>riku immediately issues an apology video claiming full responsibility and saying it's only a translation misunderstanding and people who are not investors reading his communication to investors
>they do all of this while doki is trying to stream, making her have to end stream

>>68944876
>Millie as a representative for the mean girls clique decided to drive the knife in by going 'Oh noooo Selen-chan didn't you get perms????'
When was this part?

>>68951336
I wonder if Doki/Selen can stream properly in the coming future, it's 1 vs a Company. They can assign someone to mess with her until she stops being a vtuber

>>68931724
they included selen in that video btw

>>68940522
first of all they do not need permission from ex-livers for anything. for example it's in poor taste, and that's why it isn't done, to sell merchandise of them but they can technically still do it since they hold complete control over each character. you're also ignoring a 33 hours wait/ghosting here
>Ask management for permission to upload it because it''s what the company requires
>Management tells her to wait
>Selen goes YOLO on them and uploads it anyway
when it should be a simple 15 minutes task. people are calling the policy shit and the managers lazy

>>68945168
>I thought they had 37 hours
no you retard. they TOOK 37 to give a response but they had the entire production of the thing to do it. you're a MANAGER so fucking MANAGE something you nepo hire

>>68934316
I still see her mainly in twitter banners or small hints here and there

>>68951639
The McMahon special.

>>68951336
>>68951088
>>68950991
>>68950922
Thanks anons!
Holy shit.

>>68949477
That's easy
>She's menhera
There, argument quashed.
Never ask a question you don't already know the answer to.

>>68951639
Assuming she's suing for harassment, this is literal textbook harassment by a former employer
if someone seemingly constantly has a big attention grabbing drama stream right when doki tries to stream, that it textbook harassment and she can just tack it onto her list of evidence

>>68945094
I have some hope you aren't retarded so I'll respond once
>She wants to graduate, turns into a mess (suicide attempt happens in this period) and eventual termination
>Selen get's a lawyer to communicate with Nijisanji in her name
>Both sides negotiate and share documents (the ones references) and eventually cut a deal to put everything behind them
>They sign an NDA, we technically don't know the content but it's almost guaranteed to be some form of "don't talk about the situation"
>Niji decide to break the NDA and post this weird ass hitpiece on Selen
>This both opens up the possibility of a lawsuit for breaking an NDA and allows Doki to also talk about the situation (google "open the door legal concept", it's not exactly the same but the principle behind it applies here and is easy to understand)
>This last point, and how serious it is, all depends on the (unknown) content of their NDA and agreements though

>>68952421
How many people actually try to kill themselves in an industry as menhera as this? The counter-argument would be she didn't live in vaccum and something must pushed her.

>>68940522
>Management tells her to wait
No, they didn't tell her to do anything until after it was uploaded.

>>68952345
don't forget that while all of this is happenning, investors have been fleeing the company and the stock has been in a gradual slide
currently it's at -16% value since the 6th, with a larger from from the 5th to the 6th, so investors are not happy, fans are not happy, livers are not happy, management is not happy

>>68949477
>>68949665
>>68952421
suicide rates among almost all groups are only high in relative terms.
95 to 98% of suicideattempts fail, also, most people that attempt anything thats not a slamdunk kill as opposed to like guns, high buildings, golden shots, trucks or trains, usually dont want to be dead, they just want their lives to be different.

also Id be amazed if doki was actually bpd, because this would be the mildest case Ive ever seen, and Ive been surrounded by people with bpd diagnosises for all my adult life.