/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>68921384
Show the updoots anon.

>>68921384
IN THE END IT'S JUST A FUCKING COVER SHE GOT PERMS FOR FROM THE ORIGINAL SINGER LIKE WHY DO PEOPLE BRING IT UP ALL THE TIME

>yall
They speak exactly like those people.

>>68921452
Because it was the first time they were seeing the video, so when they saw Mysta and Nina in the video, they asked her to wait a little more before posting it. But she posted it anyway.

Didn't you watch the Elira video, anon? Hazukashii

>yall

>she should just be a permissions cuck and let them stall until after christmas and just say no anyway

Selen did release a video without permission. Thats on her. Yep. Its her fault that elira just killed her entire career in a fifteen minute livestream and no one outside of her small cultivated friend group will ever trust her again.

>>68921384
Is that Maria????

>>68921384
Of course the stupid bitch is also depressed. Get of Twitter for a while if you're just going to be posting and worrying about stupid shit like this. I come here specifically to laugh and shitpost, if I was having a mental breakdown I'd fuck off and play video games for a while or some shit. Why is mental health so hard for some retards?

>>68921549
WHY was the day it was set to release the first time they saw the video. Surely at least some kind of outline had to be produced to organize the artists. If Mysta and Nina being in the video was an issue, why wasn't that brought up in the pre-production phase.

>>68921384
The would "y'all" has never been followed by something intelligent.

>>68922164
Because she didn't get anything checked before the video was done?

>>68921384
This specific tweeter plus some others have been going ham defending Nijisanji. They are Nijis strongest soldiers

>>68922361
>work as a plane pilot
>just take off before waiting for confirmation you can take off
>you are defending this

>>68921384
I'm banned on twix so someone let this dumb cunt know that Selen wanted a graduation on neutral terms and was denied

>>68922511
>the company is known to defend pilots crashing their planes into the ground as long as they are called Luca

>>68921384
It never leaving private status disagrees with you.

>>68922303
Unless Selen made the entirety of the MV behind management's back, why were they not involved in the process to check for issues before they popped up.

>>68921468
>>68921574
every time i see y'all on twitter i read it like an old god name like c'thulu

>>68922164
You actually think NijiEN management would actually oversee their livers projects?

>>68922250
Wow racist much?

>>68922865
Yes.

>>68922250
*word

>>68921549
her manager ghosted her for 37 hours my guy

>>68922738
She's the one who had the finished video so she was likely managing the project. I'm sure Niji knew about the project but she was in charge of getting everything checked. She's also a fucking retard for sending it in to be checked on Christmas and thinking it would be checked within hours. Should have done that at least a week in advance

>>68921452
So the video can have anything, what if theres CP or Nazi propaganda, it's just a cover already approved right? just send it

>>68921549
Literally two of the IP's that graduated with no drama, why take 37 fucking hours to get permissions for their own fucking IP's

>>68922975
>37 hours
>christmas eve, a sunday
>christmas day
Yeah, the manager probably wasn't working and it's predictable that would be the case

>>68923029
37hrs nijifaggot, 37 fucking hours for cheing if they can use their own fucking IP.

>>68921384
Cult members tend to be bad at shaking off the programming

>>68923124
it was a 3 min long video
the manager also had to have known her plans beforehand unless niji really is that incompetent

>>68922886
Nice

>>68922511
Yes, that's definitely exactly the same as putting out a YouTube video that will cause exactly zero problems
You stupid cunt

>>68923080
Maybe because the issue isn't IP related? They probably don't want graduated members on their new content so the low tier manager went to higher management to check to see if she could upload it regardless of that. Meanwhile the retard just uploaded it without permission

>>68923221
It doesn't matter if the video was 5 seconds long. If the manager is not working for two days, he is simply just not working for two days

>>68922814
>Y-A’ll, Speaker of Suffering

>>68923258
I'd say it can't be that because enna literally had an cover MV with graduated members on a few months prior.

>>68923254
>putting out a YouTube video that will cause exactly zero problems
>zero problems
Yeah, look at how nothing happened from her uploading it. This thread doesn't actually exist

As a jp viewer only I'm completely indifferent to all this shit but lately I'm starting to red pill to corpa instead of the woman who collected ammunition, lawyered up before "attempting" to off herself and then break away, it's just all kinds of fishy ass shit to me.
Not that I care about any of these people and I do hope to see whatever justice plays out in court, good riddance.

>>68923158
37 hours doesn't seem that bad? plus it was a holiday

>>68923364
Yeah so maybe she could have uploaded it if she just waited for the manager to check it with upper management

>>68923405
The video caused nothing
Nijisanji faggot managers did

>>68923124
Maybe the management should have been managing properly and they might have been aware of this month's in advance? That would require management to actually manage tho so it's a bit of an out there suggestion

>>68923343
Since when did any management in Japanese entertainment industry aren't working closely with their star?
Only niji.

>>68923513
The video caused Niji to take it offline and then the retard cried about it on twitter

>>68923343
Either you think entertainment companies stop working on christmas or you think there is a secret message where the manager is warning that he decided not to work

EIther way, you are a complete retard

>>68923614
So true sister

>>68923530
>>68923546
None of that matters, she's the one who went against management. It doesn't matter even if her managers were literal 60 IQ drooling retards, she's in the wrong for uploading the video without permission

>>68921452
Because they want to argue over something inane and settled and not anycolor acting like schizo retards.

>>68923717
she'd been working on it for over a year and spent 15k on it, how did management not get permissions by then?

>>68923361

>>68923634
They don't completely stop working but they do reduce the amount of people working, one of those people happened to be her manager

The so called management also outs themselves by admitting the reply was late lmao. If your ass is late to a company deadline, you're at fault.

Skill Issue

>>68923793
Because they didn't know about old members showing up? None of that matters though, what matters is she uploaded it without permission like a retard

>>68923473
They had 37 hours to do that. And at that point it shouldn't even needed to be checked with upper management with how common graduations are at Nijisanji. There should be a standard protocol for this that all managers should know. It's like having a fire in your company every other month and still not knowing what to do in a fire emergency after a year regular fire breakouts.

>>68923900
>should
Yeah and she should have waited

>>68921549
Wrong.
The storyboard was done and finished for close to a year.
Management saw the finished product two days before release, but they'd seen the constituent parts before. Ie, they'd seen the video and the audio recordings.


Incorporating ex-livers was NOT against the rules, by the way. They made the rule AFTER the fact, once they'd decided to pull the plug on the MV, after Selen had spent over 15k CAD, and had spent hundreds of hours on the project. There are dozens (ie more than 10) examples of livers using graduated ex-livers in their covers, orisongs, and MVs. The company created and issued a brand-new rule specifically for selen, to use as grounds for pulling the plug on her MV.

>>68923883
>didn't know
That sounds like bullshit.

>>68921384
hope whoever this troon is ends itself soon

>>68923463
All the lawyers and even the termination happened a month afterwards. The suicide attempt was right after Christmas.
The only thing that happened between those that went public was her commission begging (and rent begging on throne).

>>68923966
>made a new rule so they have something to list on the 3 page doc
yeah, that sounds about right. fuck kurosanji to the ground. LET IT ALL BURN.

>>68923634
These kids think companies have elves that pump out content during xmas or what? Entertainment companies probably work the most around holidays, not chill in their yacht. Except Tazumi fucking loves that yacht.

>>68921384
WTF HOLY KINO

>>68921384
>>68921448
>this shit has 42k likes WTF

>>68923966
None of this justifies her just uploading it without permission

>>68921549
We know this was in the works for weeks or even months.
No company needs that long to get perms for themselves, you absolute idiot.

>>68923966
>muh 15k cad
That's fucking nothing

>>68924105
Nah, her doing that brought total nijiEN death. It was 100% justified.

>>68923471
If you were a manager at a job and took 37 hours to respond to someone, then you would be fired.

>>68923717
This is entertainment business it doesn't work like normal corporation also Selene isn't some paper pusher where you can just fire and new replacement will come in.
Management just when on power tripping instead of solving the problem. Now it costing them the EN branch.

>>68924163
thats almost 11.5k USD, numbnuts

>>68924179
Not if you were out on holidays

>>68921549
I'm sorry why do they need permissions for their own intellectual property? That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Surely it's about something other than their own characters that they own 100% of. The idea that they would have to reach out and get permission from their graduated livers is laughable and stupid.

>>68924179
Nah Selen should've flown to nippon yacht and discussed in person. She clearly shows a lack of passion.

>>68924234
>corporation in charge of hundreds of talents should bow down to one
LMAO

>>68924097
The amount of Nijicucks still believing this shit. I can't.

>>68924335
Learn to read. Selen's manager should just be competent.

>>68924335
considering the fallout so far?
yes

>all these cucks defending the retard who went against management
She's a fucking retard

>>68924391
they couldn't be, since the 'management' of nijiEN is the clique and japanese people who cant speak english and know nothing about the west lmao

>>68921384
>day before
>song composer gave rights to selen in 2022
POOR VOX, CAN HIS LIVER SURVIVE? BOOHOO

>>68924426
incompetence at a managerial level shouldn't be tolerated

>>68924335
I'm surprised that "solving the problem" meant "bow down to" in your culture.

>>68924097
>42k
>checks twitter
>only 4.6k
retard

>>68924235
For a corporation it isn't, but for a private person working for Nijisanji it is. If 15k CAD is nothing, then Anycolor could've supported her financially as well, but they didn't cause Nijisanji doesn't exist to support.

>>68924179
>a sunday
>on christmas eve
come on dude

>>68924105
It more than justifies it from an emotional standpoint.
She had already internalized that management and members were given cartle blanche to harass and sabotage her.
She had already invested time and money.
She had already seen first-hand how blatant management was with preferential treatment and uneven enforcement of rules and regulations.
She had already realized that this constituted yet another instance of harassment, from the lack of set guidelines, to the opaque regulations, to the lack of consistent and timely resolution, to the overt favoritism to other members for identical instances.
She had already mentally resigned herself to call it quits and gracefully resign by mid january (as she later mentioned, post graduation).
So, she immaturely, or rather callously, decided to release the MV anyway. She was already mentally and emotionally "out" of the company, and obviously deeply emotionally and mentally strained (to the point of suicidal ideation), so she acted emotionally. Merited. I'd have done worse. Hell, I HAVE done worse when I mentally decided to quit shit jobs.

People are continuously disregarding
1) Management was probably aware of the makings of the video since a long time as its been in the works for the better part of a year
2) Management was probably aware that Selen planned on releasing it on Christmas Day and NOT after.
With these factors in mind there should be a Manager available at this time, it is also the 24th so not the actual holiday for most of the world so its unlikely that they were mid-celebration

>>68924646
all this drama has shown how utterly detestable and incompetent nijiEN is being handled
nijiEN truly is just a cash flow for them

>>68924716
the first point especially

>>68921384
Isn't this a strawman, no one gave a shit about this, it was the nature in which she was terminated that was the problem. They suddenly deleted her videos, then made a 3-page slander document after having stealth suspended her for over a month and a half. Furthermore, the document in question brought up the harassment stuff and it's not like dissatisfaction with Niji management just started in February, Selen was just the straw that broke the camel's back. #Whereisselen was gathering steam before they even terminated Selen.

>>68924426
Selen didn't go against management. Management went against Selen by privating her MV just to fuck with her. Now they pay the price.

>>68921549
Even disregarding the retarded reason that you need to conduct checks on your own IP, Vox said the video would eventually be made public again once the checks were over. So did they ever made it public?

>>68924691
>emotional standpoint
You don't run a business on emotions

>>68924716
And you are disregarding the fact she should have had it checked long before the day it was supposed to be uploaded

>>68924885
You also don't run an entertainment company like your standard jap corpo office, if you want to have talents that are pushing forward and reaching new audiences you can't consistently hinder them with shitty management

>>68924846
Management told her to wait while they check it, she uploaded it anyway. That's going against management

>>68924885
Sure, which is why their perfectly logical actions after Selen's termination have been highly profitable business decisions.

>>68924972
Do you know when all the video materials were made and when the video was actually ready? It could very well be common practice to do finalized checks close to release, I know that happens with deadlines in many different industries with projects
t. Dev

>>68924885
She is an employee, you high-school drop-out and/or underageb& mongrel.
The employer is culpable for managing his employees, fostering a good work environment, adhering with laws and regulations, facilitating transparent and concise code of conduct, maintaining impartial and cordial relationship with employees, and ensuring proper remuneration in accordance with labor and investment.

The employer did none of those things.
I employ 61 people in my small business, if I copied nijisanjiEN, my business would have collapsed within literal months. The only reason they can afford to be this dysfunctional is thanks to the main branch and thanks to sheer luck (thus far).

>>68924885
>>68924691
To add to this, just imagine this is just how her management works
>Completely off-hands approach to everything she does, cause they can't be bothered
>Last minute checks on her projects cause of that
>Takes days to respond
>Fuck her over for proceeding without permission that you were late on giving
The termination notice makes even more sense now, cause it's clear Selen reached out to others herself cause doing it the proper way would just delay things for weeks if not months.

>>68923034
Yep, that's definitely why she was terminated.

>>68924885
Then maybe don't run your business in a way that causes your employees to have emotional breakdowns, retard.

>>68924674
>Chuubas stream (in other words, work) on Sundays and Holidays, which happen to be their big event days
>Yet their managers don't work on those days
come on dude

>>68921384
they should fucking release the whole discord instead of patching it up using paint.exe

>>68924674
do you actually watch streams? do you think managers only work 9-5 on a Monday to Friday workweek?

>>68925392
sorry, me notu understandu!
bullying part of japanese culture gaijin!
prease understandu!

>>68925033
Management told Selen to wait while they checked the MV perms because they were fucking with her and making up a reason to delay it. They went against her.

>>68923124
not even a holiday in japan

>>68925033
They told her to wait for an indefinite amount of time, even though she'd pleaded with them to allow her to release it for christmas, even though the MV was made known to management for at least a year prior to the release, even though she'd shown them the storyboard which included the still-frames depicting the ex-livers, even though she had already got permission from the original singer, even though there was no rule against incorporating ex-livers in songs, even though Enna had included an ex-liver in a song just a couple of months prior without any issue, even though the pajeet manager went radio silent for 37 hours without updating her about the MV, even though management never explicitly clarified the issue was the ex-livers depicted until AFTER the fact, even though management quite literally created a brand-new rule about depicting ex-livers in your orisongs or MVs after the debable, specifically to justify the sabotage.
It was cut-and-dry, overt, and unabashed malicious intent aimed to sabotage Selen. They never even managed to verbalize *why* they decided to ratify this new rule, and *why* Selen's MV was objectionable, by the way. All why have is Vox's word, 2 months later, that management *would eventually* unprivate the video.


Fascinating.

The funniest thing about this thread is that there's an actual ndf faggot replying to multiple comments to defend that shitty company. Like, for real, sitting in front of their PC, doing damage control for kurokara who won't even pay them, for more than an hour. You'd think they could have just spent their time more productively by masturbating or playing a game. Nope, gotta defend the black company.

>>68925392
Dude, it's sexist to say to never hire women like that

>>68925630
She works for them so they can delay it all they want

>>68921924
""Mental health"" is just being retarded or not. Its all a matter of will power and the youth today have no will power because of years of leftist media and indoctrination. Anyone """"depressed"""" literally just needs to get over it

>cucks defending a menhera whore who can't even act professionally
lmao

>>68923124
>Managers aren't obligated to be on time for a deadline cause muh Christmas cheer
Fucking lol

>>68926350
any actual arguments to levy outside of attacks on someone's character retard?

>>68926350
Will you fuck off if I give you this (You)?

>>68926350
but enough about Nijisanji

>>68926153
>there's an actual ndf faggot
It could be more than one. It could even be niji's management trying to damage control- no wait, the English in these posts is too good for that.

>>68926451
>selen isn't obligated to get her shit checked well before the deadline so management actually has time to check it
Fucking lol

>>68923029
>>68923471
>>68924674
ITT: Exposed for never having a fucking job.

Unless you explicitly are on vacation, which they are not because they have to tard wrangle their talents all the time, it should not have taken so long to check.

>>68926259
Or it could be because jews and boomers and boomer jews have ruined the economic prospects of everyone under 30.
Besides why are you blaming people for being affected by leftoid demoralization campaigns, shouldn't you be more angry at the people running them instead?

>>68922511
>>68923034
>bbbut what if and what about if it had
But they don't, and they didn't, cool strawman tho I guess

>>68926569
>says the forever NEET
lmao

>>68926350
Yeah, why do these cucks defend Elira?

>>68926567
Proofs she didn't? Vid was in production for a year and she waited till the very last minute? You really believe that?

>>68926748
Forgot if it's fatherless or motherless behavior, both, just assume both.

>>68921384
And once again, not a single valid argument for "people" trying to defend Selen in this situation, only excuses, cope and seethe. Yes, holokeks are THAT retarded.

>>68926777
She sent the finished video in for final checks like a day before she wanted to upload it

>>68921549
The biggest proof of nijisanji knowing about the video as a whole beforehand instead of only learning about it less than 24h before its release is that nijisanji itself never came forward saying
>we didn't know about this project, she kept the details hidden until the last moment so it forced our hands
And they clearly are not saying this because they can't, since they were involved in the project both publicly and behind the scenes (meaning: selen has the receips of them actively participating or at least being aware of the project months in advance)

>>68926258
But the people don't work for them and they fully have rights to
-boycott the company
-mass unsub
-withdraw sponsors
-criticize the company
-tell the nijidogs to shut the fuck up

>>68926819
I'm sure they have lovely parents. Can't blame them forever

>>68926861
>holo out of nowhere
is this the state of NDF now?

>>68926894
>Final checks
Aah see there you go, key fucking word, she submitted a final draft, do you genuinely think there was no rough draft, no prior discussion whatsoever? Just out of the blue on the 23 like "uwu mane san clear this 4 me, k thnx", i doubt that.

>>68926948
I'm not talking about the simps, I'm talking about the whore who went full retard

>>68927050
We don't know what she sent them to be checked before the final check. It could be the first and final check at the same time

>>68927151
If so, I'll shut the fuck up, but I can't believe someone would put that kind of time effort and money into a project and not have given a decent outline of the content to management. I think they dropped the ball, didn't actually read much into it figured it'll be good no worries, procrastinated for months, then realized last min "oh shit mysta n wolfmom fuck fuck", and now are trying to pawn off their ineptitude onto selen while it goes from molehill to mountain at record pace

>>68927092
you're delusional if think Selen being a bit menhera here and there was the cause of this shitshow sis

>>68927409
Her uploading the video is the cause of this shitshow

>>68927092
But the irony here, is that she did literally nothing.
Did you already forget she learned about her termination together with everyone else?
Every single bit of info had at that point came from nijisanji themselves on their 3 page termination post, INCLUDING the bullying part.
Let's not practice history revisionism here, the one that came forward with the scorched earth tactics WAS nijisanji, but it was so good they even burned themselves on the process.

>>68927565
It clearly wasn't.
They own the company, they can control any narrative they want anon.
They could've just accepted her graduation on 26th like it was originally planned, ended in "friendly" terms, and if she had some schizo attack after that, the ball would be on their court since they would have receipts of her breaking the rules THEN agreeing with a "friendly" graduation for violating the rules, like Mel's.
They didn't, they decided to throw everyone under the bus to save face, which then created this shitshow.

>>68921384
>grown ass woman somehow gets bullied by coworkers
>tries to fucking kill herself
>also unironically spent 200k
I am not saying their management knows what they are doing, but I think Selen was the problem. Just the fact that she is insane enough to attempt suicide tells me she doesnt belong in a corp with other people.

The original perms shit literally doesn't matter. Maybe she was totally at fault and was a loose cannon who needed to turn in her badge, maybe she wasn't. Either way, it doesn't justify the way management have acted since then, dropping a list of accusations on her in the middle of the night instead of just letting her quit, and then doing this insane struggle session literally the exact moment she comes back to her first game stream.

>>68927565
For me it's the fact they deleted that Pomu members-only stream and the "negligible" statement that set me off, nothing to do with Selen's cover

>>68922511
NIJI AIR FORCE

>>68928005
Honestly I'd say it matters most, if management was negligent in their duties, and selen uploaded that video in good faith, it lends validity to all of her other claims. Conversely, if she didn't give management time to review a rough draft prior to the 23d message to management, and uploaded it without clearance, then she did violate contractual obligations, which will lend skepticism to her motives and claims.

>>68927595
Just realized that the 3 page termination post are longer than their financial report.

I don't get the mega autistic obsession with
>SHE ACTUALLY DIDNT HAVE PWRMISIOSNSNDBSJ

That's not the issue. If Selen got terminated over multiple breaches of contract including this, fair enough. It's how Nijisanji has gone about it that is the issue. Trying to nuke someone's reputation as you fire them is beyond repulsive.

lmao ppl thinking that Niji management is in the right delaying the video for perms of their own IPs. It is so obvious they're fucking with her. If I need to borrow a company PC for work, I just ask management and get an answer ASAP, it is either yes or no. Not a "this might be problematic" nearly 2 days after. If she's using vtubers from other companies, okay thats her fault but Niji's own IPs? And dead ones? OOF, so u don't have to ask about the alive vtubers for perms but the dead ones, wow, thats a must. Niji is trolling and the defence force is protecting that shaky stance.

>>68928524
Again, no, the exact opposite is true. This isn't about claims or he-said-she-said, this is about the things we've seen physically happening with our eyes. Everything about the initial incident could have been Selen having an unreasonable breakdown and acting out, and that still would not even come close to justifying how she was treated afterwards. Niji management had every opportunity to quietly part ways, keep dirty laundry private, and avoid a pointless public shitslinging match, and instead acted with maximum spite at every opportunity.

>>68924885
Yet Nijisanji is acting like the most overly emotional petty bitch ex girlfriend.

Selen's job is to make her fans happy.
Management's job is to help her make her fans happy.

Selen did her job. Management did not.

>>68928688
Ya na ur right for sure, niji is gonna take some lumps regardless, it's just sorta it's gonna be a deathblow to en, or if its gonna leave a permanent stain on dokis return, look man im rootin for her, and I agree it looks real fucked up, but at this point its like a real legal issue, and in court its all about whatbyou can prove on paper.

>>68928524
I would 100% agree with you, but at this point, after Mika, Mysta and Nina saying sussy shit about nijisanji, I'm more inclined to disagree
If it was JUST selen, we could've chalked it up as "menhera having an episode", but more people talked about this, even people outside of nijisanji that worked or wanted to work with them.

>>68928623
And it would at least be understandable if this were the first case of someone using graduated livers in an MV, but Nijisanji just kept losing talents, so that couldn't have been the case. If current members couldn't use old ones, then making music videos that include others would just be a liability at that point lmao.

>>68921384
>yall

>>68921452
Because she was objectively in the wrong there. If your interest is defending the company, reframing the conversation to focus on that is your only real option and you have to hope other people are drawn in by it, because a lot of people are quite dumb and can't actually handle the concept that Selen might have done something wrong, so they focus on proving she was and is always perfect, instead of accepting that she did fuck up even though it just does not actually matter, because her fuck up was a problem only from the point of view of a corporation trying to manage their exposure to risk of legal action for copyright infringement. Nijisanji's fuck up was a problem from the viewpoint that it is morally repugnant for an employer to turn a blind eye to reports that one of their employees is being bullied to the point of suicide.

havent caught up, was selen in the wrong for the MV perms and privating situation?

>>68921384
These brain damaged drones fail to realize the fault of this whole situation lies entirely on Anycolor.

Selen wanted to end association neutrally and (most importantly) privately.

It is Anycolor that continues to drag it out into the public for everyone to see. It is Anycolor that confirmed bullying rrats. It is Anycolor that admitted to using different standards of approval between talents. It is Anycolor that chose to break legal confidentiality, using their talents as mouth pieces and simultaneously committing the carnal sin of breaking kayfabe.

It takes two to tango, but it only takes one to escalate, which is entirely on Anycolor.

>>68930212
>because her fuck up was a problem only from the point of view of a corporation trying to manage their exposure to risk of legal action for copyright infringement.

Exposure to risk of copyright infringement OF THEIR OWN IP!? The talents behind Nina and Mysta don't own those characters. Kurocolor does.

>>68922814
Whites spell it y'all. Blacks and Twitter mongrels spell it ya'll.

Confirmed, this wasn't management's idea
>>68930026
I wouldn't be surprised if they came up with this idea themselves without management

>>68930727
You are falling into the trap. It literally does not matter. Whether Selen is a perfect victim or not is irrelevant, either way it changes nothing about the actually fucked up part of this situation. Engaging with that argument is a complete waste of time. She did not deserve to be bullied to such an extreme degree, that is the one singular fact in this scenario that matters at all.

>>68930727
Obviously Nijisanji is afraid of the rights holder, Nijisanji here. NIjisanji owns the IP for Nina and Mysta and is worried that Nijisanji will sue Nijisanji for copyright infringement. That would be dangerous, Nijisanji need to ask Nijisanji for permissions to use Nijisanji's IPs.

Gosh those idiots.

>>68924885
Of all the situations to say this, have you even seen Nijisanji here?

>>68921384
I'm not loyal to any corpo but I think they're right. I like Selen, I thought she was top 3 in NijiEN and I subbed to Doki, but I don't understand why everyone's going scorched earth on the other Nijis for this. The corpo has rules; they might be stupid or the staff might be retarded, but it's her job to follow them. If she didn't want to, she could've just graduated like the others. It sounds like they were just confused why she was making a big deal out of it and perceived it as bullying, now they're all bleeding subs and your only evidence for them being terrible people or whatever is that Doki maybe sort of implied it without evidence.

I'm not in love with the company I work for, but I need money. If one of my coworkers was driven crazy by them and fired, I'd feel terrible for them, but that doesn't mean it's 100% the company's fault and I'd be pretty upset to find out their friends were trying to burn the building down. This is like high schoolers in MMO guilds level dramafaggotry.

>>68930647
It really depends on your lens of the situation.

Strictly speaking in the lens of the company, yes Selen was wrong. Her manager who has the authority, told her to wait and she disobeyed.

From the lens that Selen was a victim of harassment, the MV had been in progress for over a year and her manager decided to delay it and not respond to her for over a day when she asked for final permission and then gave her the excuse that because it contained graduated livers it will have to be delayed and potentially adjusted. This could be seen as one final fuck you to Selen as they may have just indefinitely stalled the video knowing she was graduating because it does not make sense they would do this given, I think Reimu, put a graduated liver in her video. So clearly the existence of graduated livers is already cleared as okay for EN but for some reason for Selen it wasn't.

If you take the lens of who was doing their job properly. Selen's job was purely to keep her fans happy and she acted in good faith. Managements job is to support her in helping please her fans which they failed to do. Selen would be in the right here.

>>68931281
Doki was completely silent on the issue until AnyColor produced that 3 page hit piece. They started this shit show.

>>68931281
It is entirely the corporations fault it has escalated to where it is. Doki has never been the first to go public with allegations.

>>68927755
>"friendly" graduation for violating the rules, like Mel's.
Mel's wasn't are "friendly" graduation though, more like friendly throwing under the bus (but very regretful, please understand).

>>68928005
They seriously thought that throwing her under the bus with those three pages was fine, but they didn't expect a backlash severe enough for the CEO to bow down

>>68931281
Had AnyColor just released a statement like Cover did for Mel and let her go, which was what Selen wanted, things wouldn't haven gotten as bad as they are now, but they decided to pour salt on the wound with Zaion 2.0 statement, so here we are now.

>>68931281
If Nijisanji had quietly let Selen go over breaking the rules, then people would have been sad, but moved on. Instead Nijisanji seems to be lashing out at Selen for basically no reason, and despite the harm they're doing do their own reputation.

>>68931281
>your only evidence for them being terrible people or whatever is that Doki maybe sort of implied it without evidence.

Except that's not at all what happened you moron, even now she hasn't personally implicated any other talents, that has ALL come from kurosanji.

>>68931591
"friendly" as in "both parties ""agree"" with this decision, it's sad but lets move on from this okay?"

>>68931281
Anon, we didn't have a single piece of evidence coming from her, all the evidence we had came from Nijisanji themselves.
She only said her piece AFTER they had already exposed everything by themselves.

>>68924426
Is management your oshi?

>>68924885
>You don't run a business
Neither will Anycolor very soon.

>>68921384
Reminder that Zaion situation already shows that they don't want you trying to talk to any other managers if yours is incompetent. Doki was just supposed to wait for this ESL, who's clearly just going to someone above his head because he doesn't know what to do, while holding the limpest of excuse that sounds like a fucking joke to the average anon ("NO WE NEED PERMISSION FROM EX-TALENT")
I actually acknowledge that she overstepped here (though there's so much we don't know, whether she got approval at an earlier stage in this project for example), but they threw a fucking baby that has no idea what his own job is at her

>>68923883
>Because they didn't know about old members showing up
5/5 management there champ.

never side with the chinese

>>68931888
So the only difference is Mel decided to not make a scene. And ended up the only one getting fucked. Makes you wonder if that's the correct decision.

>>68932482
Is her RM doing bad?

>>68924972
>do a MV about a cover song for Xmas day with A, B, C nijisanji characters in it and tell management about it, management has to greenlit it first before continuing. So they know about ex livers in it
>after that, commission artists about the art, send them names and reference images, artists get NDAs from anycolor
>finished art gets sent back to them to approve
>approved art gets sent to the video editor, who will then combine the art with the song
>editor sends back the finished product right on time before the deadline
>send finished product to the management
>no response on the 24th. Understandable since it's a Sunday and Xmas eve on top of it
>response on Monday the 25th at 21:00, despite it being a regular work day so the manager literally had all fucking day to get her back
>come up permissions bullshit and postpone it indefinitely, as if they didn't already know there would be ex livers in it
None of those ex livers got graduated or terminated in that week or month to warrant their following response

>>68921384
>>68921574
Anyone who uses "yall" on the Internet is evil. I have never ever seen someone who isn't evil use that. Offline, yea it's not that abnormal, but on the Internet it's always the same.

>>68922511
>work as a plane pilot
>you need to repair the plane out of your own pocket
>you also need to scrub the airport floors
>the plane is delayed by 5 weeks because management's spreadsheet for approving flights is an empty sheet with "Wait for pilot to complain" written on it
>"Fuck this pilot for trying to pilot the plane"
>"Fuck the people who took the flight"
>Other pilots harass the loose gun for trying to get people to their destination
>Somehow this is a pilot issue
You're right. She should've graduated and left this shithole of a company to rot, not invested her own time, passion and love.

>>68922250
counterpoint:
"Y'all gonna make me lose my mind up in here! up in here!" -DMX

>>68932137
The reason perms thing was important was because the details of what actually happened was the difference between malicious or incompetent. Generally people give a lot of leeway for incompetence as long as it's not gross incompetence. But no one is going to tolerate malicious managment. In this particular case management falls into both categories of malicious and gross incompetence and it's a no brainer whiever is handling NijiEN should be fired at minimum.

>>68923124
Yea, it must be so hard to just check the phone, watch a 3 minute video, and type "its ok" or "dont post it rn" at 5 in the evening in japan

>>68921384
>This shit has happened multiple times
And this isn't a problem for the company?

Imagine not checking what your employee is up to for a year.

>>68932632
She's on "hiatus" and radio silent, but what do you think? According to her statement she was in bad mental shape, talked to someone she had trust in and ended up losing her dream job and results of past 5 years of work plus got a black mark on the resume.
I mean, I know she'll probably be fine and better than most in the end, but still can't help feeling bad for her.

Not a 1 to 1 comparison but remember Muemei Don Don Don video? It was taken down and reupload later with edit. Why can't niji management something like this?

>>68923463
Her contract was up for renewal. As the biggest female liver in the branch, she could've just left without drama. The fact that there was drama isn't on Doki being some diabolical genius; it's on the company for trying to gain leverage in the negotiations by holding a major project hostage.

>>68933113
>She's on "hiatus" and radio silent
Man, that sucks. I didn't follow her before or after termination, but this sucks to know.

>>68933253
That's what the manager said might happen (maybe it might need an edit) in that convo. Selen chose to sperge out instead.

>>68931355
>>68931397
>>68931718
>>68931785
>>68931862
>>68931951
Their 3-page statement didn't say anything bad, though, it just detailed the timeline of events. The only interesting thing in it was the mention of Selen claiming she was being bullied - which is insubstantial.

They then called the loss of Selen negligible to investors. This might sound callous, but it's just business and Cover did the same thing with Rushia. It's also true, they have 200 talents, losing 1 is negligible. Goldman Sachs agreed with them, Cover is taking a similar hit as them. They're getting attacked more for that word than actually firing her, which is silly.

And Elira, Vox and Ike just sounded upset their friend was taking legal action against them. Again, there was nothing interesting in that video other than them showing the timeline for how the video got privated and she broke company policy. It wasn't a smear campaign, they were just letting the public see how it went down. From their perspective, their friend just broke a rule for seemingly no good reason, got fired and is now sending them legal threats. Why do you think this makes her look good and them bad?

>>68933292
This. If it was Luca, nobody would've bat an eyelid. There is clearly someone at management sabotaging her projects, because I doubt management was only aware the MV would have ex livers on December 24th

>>68933518
>their friend
lmao I thought NDF was a meme, but it was real

>>68933518
Noone will listen to you here, Niji bad.

>>68933459
It doesn't took over 1 month to edit the video and talk between Selene and the management.

>>68933518
Niji manager, I know you don't understand the difference between "talking to a lawyer" and "legal action", but it's kind of important, you really should go double check it.

>>68933518
Do you have some form of autism?
I am serious and not trying to shit on you or anything here, but if that's what you got out of the statementa read by Elira, Vox, and Ike then I am sorry but you might seriously want to get checked up on, misreading it to that degree shows a serious lack of empathy and social awareness.

No one with a brain cell count above 100 thinks Selen was in the right to release the Cover. It's every other thing kurosanji has done, both management and livers, that feels intentionally evil.

>>68933683
I don't think you understand the difference either. They were literally shown documents sent to Niji from Selen's lawyers (whether legally or not, not the point). That's a bit more than "talking to a lawyer".

>>68921384
I’m convinced that the NDF solely consists of actual children and call center Pajeets at this point.

>>68933849
>No one with a brain cell count above 100 thinks Selen was in the right to release the Cover
Nice claim since Management apparently feels that Selen was right to release the Cover.
Which way does that go?

>>68933518
>which is insubstantial
4 u

>Verification not required.

>>68921384
>Fall guys tourney
>Voice pack
>Apex Tourney
>Coffee MV
Okay so... For some of Selen's biggest, self-organized projects, because Management is completely hands off, Management has told Selen to not announce/post/talk about things until final approval is given? And this usually isn't a requirement until the day before all these things are supposed to go public? So things could've been canned at any time up to that point, including the day Selen had set for announcement/reveal/publication? Someone really just wanted to let Selen know that all her work was basically unapproved until the very last moment and that they had to wait on them to give her the green light after months of work?

Or was Selen seriously only telling management about her projects that she'd been working on and reaching out to people for at the very last moment, leaving them completely in the dark each and every time?

>>68933630
Oh, so now they were never friends. Okay.

>>68933683
Semantics. Try harder.

>>68933787
>Do you have some form of autism?
Yes, which is why I'm not emotionally compromised.
>misreading it to that degree shows a serious lack of empathy and social awareness.
Alright, let's hear your high IQ take. I am anticipating it sounding something like
>they say NIJI GOOD, SELEN BAD, but no, I say NIJI BAD, SELEN GOOD
Something like that.

>>68932094
Technically yes

>>68933918
>>68934167
No, Niji, having a lawyer help draft official statements and communication between two parties where the trust has broken down is not legal action. It's normal. You're supposed to have lawyers for that, too.

>>68931281
>The corpo has rules; they might be stupid or the staff might be retarded, but it's her job to follow them
They have retroactively changed rules specifically targetting her prior (international tourney), and ignored them when other members have done it (suika game tournament)

>>68933459
>said might happen
Your word or theirs?

>>68934298
The ceo stament was fine even if tone def. Still would have got shat on if it wasnt. The big screw up was with the 3 stooges.

>>68933518
Alright I know you're NDF, so I'm not responding for your benefit but for anybody who reads your comment and thinks 'Hey this sounds reasonable'

>didn't say anything bad
It basically said "Selen was a shitty employee. She is also a massive liar. We ambulance chased her into the hospital and harassed her emergency contact. We did absolutely nothing wrong."

There's also the whole concept of THEY DID NOT NEED TO LIST ANY OF IT. They could have made a single sentence statement saying they have terminated Selen. There was no reason, at all, they needed to air out a laundry list of grievances at the same time they are firing someone except for the fact they want to damage that person's reputation because they fear terminating them will damage their own and they want to do the first strike.

Regardless of the veracity of any of the claims, the fact they did this unnecesarily is what the problem is about. The action to publish a history of management's disagreement with Selen is completely unprofessional, childish, bitter and extremely malicious.

>they were just letting the public see how it went down
Nobody was really in question how it went down. Management was incompetent and Selen went over their heads for the last time. This was never really a debate and not the reason people are actually upset.

You are taking Vox, Elira and Ike's words at face value. It is 100% possible that they were absolutely part of the bullying or harrassment and they made that video out of a last ditch PR attempt by management, a way to damage Doki's morale and force her to reconsider her legal fight, because they felt it might exonerate them down the line or be useful when they get dragged to court. You have no idea.

>why do you think this makes her look good and them bad?
All we have is that Nijisanji for YEARS has displayed it's capacity to lie, skinwalk, abuse, character assassinate and exploit their employees. They no longer get any benefit of the doubt. In the same vein as Stalin, if someone who has been nothing but good told me something evil about Stalin, I'd believe them because I have a brain that has the ability to recognise patterns.

>>68933849
Counterpoint: I can acknowledge it wasn't 'by the correct protocols', but I can absolutely believe she was in the right to release the cover.

A year of work, designed to release in the holidays, and suddenly, at the eleventh hour, there's an 'issue with rights/protocol'? When she had personally gathered all the necessary external legal permissions? Yeah no. I'd hit the launch button, too, if I were in her shoes.

The included 'former livers' was the entire point of the MV. I wouldn't delay something like that, knowing I'd be told the most important part of the MV needs to be scrubbed out.

She was right to do it. What was wrong was the fact it was being hindered this late into the project. I consider that just as evil and reprehensible as everything Kurosanji has done since.

Reminder that Nijicucks actually went to bat and defended 2% profit from merchandise sales.
Imagine being a vtuber who's unsatisfied with your pay cut and when it finally comes out in public your fans defend your management instead of you. The ultimate and final cuck.

>>68922511
Nijisisters please. I already almost died feom laughter last night. Give a man a break!

>>68933518
>The only interesting thing in it was the mention of Selen claiming she was being bullied - which is insubstantial.
That document specifically claimed Selen was being bullied by Nijisanji talent, which is a claim that Selen hadn't publicly made. That's not insubstantial, that's throwing your own staff under the bus to try and take the heat off management.

>>68921549
>Didn't you watch the Elira video
Hell no, I don't want snakes.

>>68935223
>claimed Selen was being bullied by Nijisanji talent
It didn't. It said Selen claimed being bullied. By both talent and management. Quite the difference, isn't it?

>>68921452
It's the only "defense" they've got, please understand.

>>68935506
Regardless, its the one that brought those claims to the public in first place, while claiming that Selen was somehow the one that did.
As for actually proving that there actually was bullying, they're doing that right now.

>>68934466
>It basically said "Selen was a shitty employee. She is also a massive liar. We ambulance chased her into the hospital and harassed her emergency contact. We did absolutely nothing wrong."
That's your dramatic trannie/woman interpretation. Same with the rest. What's the point of writing essays when you struggle with basic logic?

>>68927806
>It's your fault you didn't act like the perfect victim

>>68935654
Yeah, that's a fuck up on their side. Probably assumed Selen would go public with the accusations, considering all the lawyer action, and jumped the gun.
Still the claim they "admitted to bullying" is dramafaggot fantasies.

I'm a mechanical engineer and we always review with customers before giving approval for production.

In the screenshot it looked like Selen only let the manager check after the MV was done. Does Selen have proof that she checked with the manager during the concept? She did say she has receipts.

>>68926153
I think the guy just really wants to play Palword kek

>>68921384
bros.. what if we're wrong..?

>>68936240
She probably can't post anything because legal stuff but lilipichu said she gave Niji the permissions for the song in August of 2022. They've known about the existence of the project for a very long time at a minimum and that Selen from the beginning was going through the proper channels.

>>68936240
Selen said she provided receipts to her lawyer and is waiting on advice to release it. But considering that Nijisanji had to cherry-pick the DMs rather than show us the entire conversation, and the manager still looks like a power-tripping cunt who ghosts his Livers for 36+ hours. I would say it's likely Selen was reasonable beforehand and had been trying to get perms for a while.

>>68936412
I wonder what made japanijifags bend over this much over Nijisanji

>>68936412
That sure worked for Lulu and Roa!

>>68936412
Unless Doki has somehow managed to go 3 years being possibly the shittiest human being alive but nobody at Niji is able to produce any actual dirt on her except for her going over management's head, I don't think AnyColor is winning any court battle even a JP court battle.

But watch as none of this goes public, settled out of court and suddenly Selen talks about buying her own house.

>>68936471
I think it's xenophobia, mendokusai gaijin always causing trouble because they do not understand Japanese customs blah blah.

But what they ultimately fail to understand is, AnyColor is operating in an overseas market, you are coming into other countries as a guest and you are legally and socially bound, to follow the laws and customs of those countries.

>>68936471
because there's a vast difference between NijiEN and NijiJP, go ahead and search にじさんじ in twitter and there's not a trending post about this whole thing. they are either indifferent or leaning towards Niji, after all this doesnt affect them in the slightest.
>>68936578
Lulu and Roa didnt cause a whole branch meltdown

>>68921384
Remember, this is exactly what happened to Zaion.

>>68936412
I mean, Niji really fucked up so if they "win" then it's gonna be because they bought people off. I'm also really interested in Doki's receipts.
>>68936471
It's a mix of hierarchy shit, xenophobia and cuck culture in Japan. Nijifags are particularly bad about it though.

>>68935815
That's all you got?

>>68936412
I don't think Niji has a lawyer ready at this point, just look at Elira latest stream.

>>68936897
win or not, niji will continue as usual a month or even a week later after this. unless they decide to keep shooting themselves on the foot. we might not get any more new information out of this since they are probably gonna take the legal stuff more seriously and keep quiet.

>>68926153
Funny coming from a holobrony.

>>68936412
I'm sure these NDF Japs would respect a Canadian ruling against them, right?
lol

>>68937091
Doki talked about having 3 parties who knows about the legal documents that no one else can see, Doki, Her Lawyer, and The other side's lawyer. now i dont know what the other side's lawyer was thinking or that the lawyer didnt know that they were streaming in the first place.

nonetheless the fucking CEO has to come down and talk about it which implies there is an actual intervention happening right now. you have to understand, the recent things that has happened has a high chance has been caused by the EN branch management rather than the higher ups.

>>68932644
Y'all need Jesus

>>68926595
>under 30
More time has passed than you think, anon. It's more like under 40 now

>>68921384
shes right. amerimutts just cant even understand normal logic and normal social behaviour.

>>68921452
>>68930212
Literally the massive W that nijisanji is relying on to not look like scumbags is "We asked ourselves for permission and we denied it"

>>68930647
Short answer: No. Nijisanji denied giving her perms to Nijisanji's own depiction of vtubers which is just being needlessly difficult with extremely arbitrary red tape

Long answer: If you're a corporate simp who believes all rules are justified, yes.

>>68933518
>Their 3-page statement didn't say anything bad, though,
Their 3 page statement put all the blame on her and also revealed the suicide attempt you fucking idiot. She wasn't going to mention it up until then.

>>68937277
I'm betting the "lawyer" they had for Niji at the time wasn't an actual lawyer at all but just some dipshit from their management.

Anybody familiar with law at all would know how bad of a move leaking court papers is and lawyers wouldn't have the personal investment to get involved in a spite move like this.

>>68935815
That's literally what it said. Niji should spend money on real lawyers to make PR statements instead of brownies to shil on 4chan

>>68937761
european here
niji bad
selen good

>>68938004
I'm betting they're a lawyer, in Japan. Where a corpo has to practically stab the defense in-court in order to lose a case.

All of the posturing and legal games of chicken line up with how Japanese lawyers treat civil court cases: Scare the defense/plaintiff into settling because they're a huge company with all their personal information, and trying to go against that will just result in further and further reputational damage as all of it gets distorted and spread

>>68938017
You don't know what literally means. As expected from a twitter troon, it's some kind of epidemic.

>>68921384
Zealots are very passionate about defending that which they consider holy. Unfortunately, these ones are complete retards and value the corporation over the talents.

>>68937891
>believes all rules are justified
In niji case it's: if you did some minor mistake you deserved capital punishment.

>>68921384
this one and the quildren accounts are obvious niji interns playing as fans
EVERYTIME that there is something bad about anycolor, these two go and try to defend them

>>68926595
>boomers and boomer jews have ruined the economic prospects of everyone under 30
Only if you are leftist snowflake retard tranny. But then it's your place.

>>68924885
>You don't run a business on emotions
Yeah and if nijisanji had stuck by that instead of trying to be petty these past few days they wouldn't be as deep in a hole as they are now. They let Selen play them like fools and they have no one to blame but themselves. Guy who hired her should be fired.

>>68938212
But enouth about coverdrones.

>>68923124
I hate to break it to you, but unless the manager had a date Christmas is just another day.

>>68938091
who cares about an anglophile yuro moron.

>>68938203
>Uhh, you used literally wrong, and you're a tranny too! That means I win

>>68921384
Yes, the fault lies with you, Selen Tatsuki.

>>68938333
>They let Selen play them like fools and they have no one to blame but themselves.
I think that's attributing far too much of the initiative to Selen. She's been saying as little as possible, and Nijisanji have been shooting themselves in the foot while trying to attack her.

>>68924885
And yet literally every business is filled with emotional humans who don't react well to abuse and bullying. Curious!

Honestly what's hard to understand. Someone in management decided to treat Selen as an enemy on behalf of the clique, give her a hard time. Used the stupid of fucking excuses to unprofessionally reject a project. Selen had a fucking break down. That came first before all your diabolical yab shit. She was feeling oppressed and took steps so she would HAVE a career after because of the way livers are fucking cooked after. They treated her like shit. Got out of the hospital and permanent shadow suspension. They knew they went too far. They tried to let time fix the situation but didn't do any of the proper moves. They really showed the world how badly they run things. If they were as good as you all said NijiEN is they wouldn't be complete fuck ups, or have lost Pomu.

>>68930647
Yeah basically.
She knew about how autistic Japs were and especially how autistic they are about showing former members. She could have edited one scene and been fine but instead she went menhera.

Looks like someone couldn't handle the bantz and then proceeded to toss everyone under the bus.

>>68938532
Yes? Sane people win over troons by default. Sorry, I don't make the rules. Go back to twitter.

>>68938413
im not an anglophile, you uneducated 3rd worlder
does niji have a 5 cent army now operating from strawhuts or why do all of these types of posts reek of brown?

>>68923034
Did it have 'nazi propaganda'?
Did it have CP?

The answer to both those idiotic hypotheticals is not the same as to the question: Does the company have a history of fucking over their employees?

I hate women just as much as the next person, anyone that makes 200k in a year and manages to piss it down the drain on 'projects' deserves no respect whatsoever... But you have to stay objective when looking at what transpired. Both Selen and 2434 are idiotic.

>>68938767
>you have to stay objective
>the company have a history of fucking over their employees
Anther dramanigger failing at logic.

>>68923471
Bro I work through the holidays and so do millions of fucking people it’s not even that hard for her manager to just look at a 3 minute vid it isn’t like this is open heart surgery

>>68938755
I am sure if you keep calling the 4channers troons enough, your CEO will stop begging the investors for forgiveness nijisister.

>>68921468
It's in the dictionary retarded ESL Seamonkey.

>>68938632
I'm gonna say that her getting ahead of everyone with the suicide bit was the biggest then that communities outside of here care about. The moment that happened and it could have been attributed to nijisanji they were in trouble. Borderline personality loves using suicide as a weapon. Threats of suicide, fake suicide, and even real attempts at suicide.

>>68934466
>basically said
How about instead of what it "basically" said, you say what it actually said: which was that she went over management's head, hospitalized herself and the two couldn't come to an agreement - which we have proof of and she doesn't dispute.
>Selen was a shitty employee. She is also a massive liar
She broke company policies, yes, we already knew that. This is nowhere near as bad as what happened with Rushia and Cover. Cover claimed she doxxed talents. Rushia denied it. Cover went oit of their way to reaffirm it. Rushia even claimed her lawyer and Cover read her statement and signed off on it, but Cover still unnecessarily released a statement calling her a liar. No one hates Cover for this.
>We ambulance chased her
They kept in contact with their hospitalized employee, yes.
>THEY DID NOT NEED TO LIST ANY OF IT
I'm sorry, you WANT the Mel treatment? Since when? Nobody likes how Mel got fired. She leaked stuff, but we don't even know what, so it feels like she was fired for nothing. Mel herself accepted it, but what if she hadn't? People would be rallying pitchforks against Cover. You're angry at them for transparency? It wasn't even news. The only news was the bullying - which you should be thanking them for exposing.
>a laundry list of grievances
Zaion got this, not Selen. Also, the bully reveal made Selen look better and Niji worse, so your conspiracy theory here is backwards. Everything else we already knew.
>Regardless of the veracity
Now you just sound like a woman. No, the youth matters. That's it.
>Nobody was really in question how it went down
But there could've been more, so yes, it's nice to see it.
>You are taking Vox, Elira and Ike's words at face value
And all of NijiEN including Pomu who's still friends with them. You're taking Selen's. I'm also taking Selen's. See a difference?
>It is 100% possible that they were absolutely
Look at the overwrought language you're using. Stop and think clearly.
>part of the bullying or harrassment and they made that video
Someone had to. Vox and Ike are the two most subbed. Elira was part of the legal documents and people see her as the leader of the NijiEN girls. There's nothing weird about it being these three specifically. Take the tinfoil off.
>a way to
Defend themselves.
>force her to reconsider her legal fight
I got called stupid for saying this in this very thread.
>You have no idea
Neither do you. Because of that, I'm taking the most parsimonious stance based on the evidence. Meanwhile, you're bullying people.
>All we have is that Nijisanji for YEARS has displayed it's capacity to lie, skinwalk, abuse, character assassinate and exploit their employees
True, but it's the talents' decision to work for them - not yours.
>They no longer get any benefit of the doubt
And apparently neither do any of the talents.
>if someone who has been nothing but good told me something evil about Stalin
Who in this situation is nothing but good/evil? Do you ever think maybe, just maybe, this is real life, and not an anime?

You sound like you might be a little schizophrenic.

>>68924426
>you are the retards not me reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee *shits self out of frustration*

>>68926259
Post-ironically kill yourself.

>>68921384
Because it's selen's fault, duh.

>>68939058
Based

>>68939058
>NDF Wailing Wall of Text

>>68937110
That counts for NijiJP.

>>68926656
>Gets raped by anon
>l..lamo

>That didn't happen
>It did happen, but it's not a big deal.
>It is a big deal, but she deserved it.
NDF is currently on this step.

>>68921384
Selen knew damn well that the MV was never going back up. Just for the stupid reasons it was taken down. Because of their own fucking IP.

>>68939108
>tumblr

DokiTraitor in big trouble, Niji has best lawyer, rich company !

>>68938764
the chinks are defending your dramawhore, shitting on everything japanese, and you arent even selfaware of virtually being the same as the chinks. this is how twisted this issue is. amerimutt dumb troons and chinks collude but you will never notice it.

>you uneducated 3rd worlder
lmao im not. enjoy your islamic eurabia hellhole.

>>68939249
>Flatearthers mental gymnastics: just look at it, it's flat.
>Normal people mental gymnastics: nah, there's a bunch of evidence it is not.
It always takes a lot of (wasted) effort to disprove a moron. Sad, but that's how the world works.

>>68935223
>That document specifically claimed Selen was being bullied
It claimed she claimed that, but the problem with bullying is not everyone agrees on what is or isn't bullying and there's no telling how frequent or severe it was. You can claim anyone's bullying you if you want. Without evidence, it's insubstantial. Sorry, I probably should've used that word!
>which is a claim that Selen hadn't publicly made
So? What if Selen had? Then you wouldn't be angry at them? No, you absolutely would. So, in this timeline, they were transparent and communicating Selen's grievances with Nijisanji. Ah...those assholes! How dare they expose...uh...themselves?
>that's throwing your own staff under the bus to try and take the heat off management
You didn't read it, did you? It specifically blamed management.

I'm starting to think none of you read it. It specifically said livers bullied her DUE TO MISMANAGEMENT. This means the managers fucked up and some talents erroneously harassed her over it.

>>68925281
Something like having graduated members in the video really should not only be caught in a final check. Which Elira also had btw. lmao.

>>68936471
Maybe JP branch is not so insane, livers and managers.

>>68939658
What evidence do nijisisters have? Aside from their company that changes their story within a day and their narrative of Selen being fat/having BPD therefore her suicide attempt was for attention?

>>68924004
>Source: it came to me in a dream
This is really the best dokidrones have come up with

>>68939058
You're right but it doesn't matter in the end

>>68939565
Niji best lawyer leaked the classified document.
Either they come clean on this and do something about it or throw those 3 under the bus.

>>68923966
>There are dozens (ie more than 10) examples of livers using graduated ex-livers in their covers, orisongs, and MVs.
So you're saying it's not a company issue but a Selen issue since nobody else had problems with this.

>>68937954
>put all the blame on her
She broke two rules in a row and then they failed to come to agreement. That's what happened and it's what they said.
>also revealed the suicide attempt
Hospitalization. Didn't say why. They had already announced this previously to explain her absence. How is this a bad thing? It isn't and you're grasping at straws.

>>68940082
Yes... that's literally what people are talking about with "toxic enviroment"

>>68924674
Sorry but no. Christmas is a big business day for your livers, you do your job when you need to do it. The manager should have absolutely been reachable on Christmas.

>>68940206
Yeah it's known that management staff are either JP natives or pajeets.

Neither countries celebrate christmas

>>68939606
Cope tranny, go elect prez who will provide you with free commie HRT lmao.

>>68940159
What is more likely
The company and everybody in it, even some who aren't in it anymore, conspiring against Selen
or
The bipolar chink had a woman moment?

>>68940082
It's a company issue in that favouritism is common. A black company like Nijisanji will have layers of pointless permissions and retroactive rules that they selectively apply at the company's convenience. Those inside the clique will have a speedy reply and a single yes before they post their video without issue. Those outside the clique will have to wait for permissions, have those permissions backtracked, get new managers that put them back at square one, and be ghosted for 36+ hours before the deadline.

>>68939864
What are they claiming that needs additional proof?

>>68921549
Typical Chink behavior.

What the fuck is L + Ratio?

>>68940335
You nijisisters need to tighten up your narrative. Does Selen have BPD or is she bipolar? Don't forget she's fat too.

>>68940372
Wow, you have pretty detailed dreams

>>68940491
Does her particular brand of retardation matter?

>>68940335
except it's been the company escalating things at every step since the termination

>>68940578
If you're going to use it to discount her testimony, then yes your unproven accusations of specific mental disorder does matter.

>>68924674
One anon who worked in korean corpo get off work at 4 pm instead at 5 pm because he finished all his work get the look from everyone in the office.
And this>>68925420

>>68940335
Company of retarded chinkbreds zoomers going in highschool level drama conspiracy thinking they are main characters
vs
BPD chink who has little more brains and switched whole situation into legal field from online, while company retards still in online drama field.

>>68933518
NDF bro, nothing of what you said can change the fact that the ones that revealed all of that was Nijisanji themselves. They burned down the forest for the trees.
Show us ANY proof that Selen did it before them. A single one, please.

>>68939249
why do people just believe she tried to kill herself?

>>68939724
>I'm starting to think none of you read it. It specifically said livers bullied her DUE TO MISMANAGEMENT
is about the one mv instance, smarty pants.

>>68940581
She started it, made the tweet that escalated it, and now she's taking it to court

>>68940335
I mean, the company has a history, based on what workers or workers-to-be said. Remember Zaion, Mika, Mysta, Nina?

>>68939724
>It claimed she claimed that,
Exactly, it claimed things before SHE claimed anything.
They self exposed because they feared she would expose them.
You're just proving what everyone is saying, that not a single proof, evidence, or admission came from her, it all came from themselves.

>>68939864
>Selen tells her fans to reupload her privated music video so they can listen to it in "some way" implying that management wouldn't allow the video to be on her channel. She complains as Doki how much money she spent on the video and how she wanted people to see it
>The Niji manager explicitly said that she'd be able to post the video after perms were given to her. After privating the video, they say that she would be able to post it after perms were acquired.

They were allowing the video to be posted after it got the clear from all the perms while her narrative was that they were keeping it in the Niji vault forever