/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

as much as i want the bullies to be the sole problem. i fear something more insidious like the en portion of management being their own black splinter cell outside of the "talents".

>>68906393
I suspect that several prominent talents are effectively pseudo-management as well.

Shift lead and all that.

>>68906111
>I'm convinced that NijiEN is effectively a rogue branch.
There is no way there is any communication between EN and the Japanese HQ. Riku's video is more or less the standard PR shit I would expect out of a company but everything from the EN side has been completely fucked up.

>>68906393
>slowpoke_in_27_years.jpg

>>68907763
the EN side is actively malicious with their timing which exactly what makes me suspect that its talent in charge.

I'm 100 percent certain they conned anycolor into making the EN branch by self-managing, and the few that know japanese fluently could actively communicate with the JP side of things.

now that all has gone out of control with so many talents to manage, it hit an abysmal cliff that they cannot get out of. Doki might not be right in a few places, but that does sound like an awful work enviroment to me

Honestly with how fucking insane everything has been, and based on the fact that Elira is frankly a very stupid person, I can believe it.

We know who the management is, why bother wondering

>>68908769
We do not know who EN management is.

>>68906111
Yep.
RRAT: the shit that's in that document is actually damaging and heinous and these idiots made that stream without any higher ups telling them because its preemptive damage control for something they know will be very bad if it comes out. They approved it themselves because they're effectively managing themselves and didn't know Riku was about to drop such a good response later. Its the only thing that makes any sense, otherwise I can't rationalize anyone thinking that was a good idea

>>68906111
I would not be surprised. Funny thing is they can't kick her out for mismanagement without losing her as a streamer.

>>68909513
Its also makes the petty responses of NijiEN make sense.

>>68909513
>radio silence for over a week
>doki is moving on with her first gaming stream
>appear out of nowhere
>suddenly drop this slop perfectly aligned with her neopets stream
>le retard de Vox "I HAVE READ THE DOCUMENTS THOROUGHLY" Akuma
>oh fuck this is illegal? quick tweet out "we only shared the necessary information with livers"
>Riku's much more professional statement drops
It all lines up. Their retarded clique made that petty video to "own Doki", and because of the string telephone communication between EN and JP they were completely unaware of Riku's statement until the last minute. And they still decided to shit out that failure of a stream anyway.

>>68911286
Its the only thing that makes sense.

>>68906111
They're doing a great job so far.

>>68911286
>le retard de Vox Akuma
holy shit this will forever be the funniest fucking thing that dude ever made, and it wasn't even directly him kek

EN management is Noor from Nijisanji IN, although I don't really have doubts Elira, Vox and Ike are seniors and in there.

https://twitter.com/s_h_uuko/status/1757238130997150170

>>68911286
I literally believe this yeah. Because otherwise, if the left arm was communicating with the right there is no fucking way they'd undercut the only good piece of PR that's come out in a week like this.
I just think, what did these three say that's so bad to need a court document written about them, and what did Vox say that was so bad to prompt doki to record him? It must be damning stuff, I can only assume otherwise they wouldn't have fucking brought up this new info unprompted

>>68912214
absolute in awe how it went from
>shitpost
to
>shitpost le forma picture
in a solid hour
to
>shitpost le forma picture (colorized 2024)
in another 30 minutes

>>68912214
KEK

>>68912146
Noor supposedly bailed years ago.

>>68912146
can we have Noor's model back?
it looks so good

>>68912092
Could you post it please? No idea what you’re talking about but I have a hunch it’s gonna be very funny

>>68912214

>>68912560
https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1679447426149793793

>>68912648
Now I’m cackling laughing while on the shitter. Better than I expected, thank you Anon

>>68912648
Holy shit lmao

>>68911286
I mean, it hardly makes sense any other way. If they knew the big guy with the bowlcut at the top was literally going to "fine, I'll do it myself" this quagmire, yet STILL put out that incriminating hit piece, that means they are actually directly against Riku as well now and really would fit the description of a rogue branch. They would rather shoot themselves in the foot to sling more mud on Selen than let the proper authority de-escalate. It is incredible truly, and I think a lot of heads are going to roll. At this point I think the only way to really get peoples' faith in the branch back would be to name/shame the clique and very possibly fire the heads of it all in one go and declare a total reset of the branch in scope and management. Riku alluded to new systems being put in place and I would assume they would be retard filters to stop shit like this from happening, but when the problem is still clearly there festering what good would it do to dress up a turd. In light of all this, all the internal management autism at Cover now looks 100% justified. Talents cannot be trusted to tie their own shoes much less make any moves without management approval. They are mostly young unprofessional people with partial or even utterly lacking in education/training. That's why the high school tier shenanigans are afoot. They need an adult in the room.

There are likely some livers that are effectively management, but not officially so. Doki and her management would not be raising a stink about documents not being kept confidential if Elira and co. were the actual intended recipients.

>>68913150
They need strong talents that are locked in step with management, like a Sora/Fubuki type or Mito type. Letting a bunch of young and cliquey people run the ship is how you get the current NijiEN, and especially with management playing favorites too.

>>68913150
The very first thing Elira says in the video was that Riku was going to be making a statement later. They knew something was coming down the pipeline but proceeded with their own bullshit anyway.

>>68913431
Any manager is probably subservient to the top level clique talent.

>>68906111
the elira manager rrat makes too much sense

>>68906111
>the only one fluent enough to talk to mgmt
i belieb

>>68909513
elira said the ceo would have a follow up

>>68913431
Sayu already confirmed it's talents managing talents because the actual higher ups cant speak english and everyone does their own shit in a separate gc without managers in it

>>68913150
Does that make IRyS a latchkey kid with her old manager ghosting her for weeks at a time?

>>68906111
I wanted to give Elira the benefit of the doubt because she and Pomu were my favorites among Niji EN outside of Selen... but good god there's genuinely no defending her anymore. She, Vox, and Ike went full on retard with that stream. Sure they might have been ordered to do it but if they had any self respect and decency they would have just refused and quit.

>>68914102
yes

>>68913908
Yeah but she might not have known the contents of it, because otherwise why the fuck would the release this? It's actually worse if they knew and then knowingly undermined the only good thing niji has done in a week

>>68909513
>make a big point to talk extensively about how much Selen was undermining managers and how wrong she was for it
>effectively admit that the bullying happened, just that they don't think it was actually "bullying"
>Um I was recorded without knowing and I don't remember what I said, but it's really hurtful that she recorded me:( Also apparently she has documents but it's wrong of her to have those and we think they're incorrect :((
Yeah, I'm buying this rrat. They're telegraphing so much preemptive damage control it's actually insane.

>>68906111
i honestly believe their video was generated with AI voices, and the tweets were managment

>>68914306
It's funny, Doki was willing to bury the hatchet and let them go on with their lives. But they feared whatever she has on them so much that they lashed out like a cornered animal, hurting themselves and provoking her.

>>68912214
hot

>>68909513
>>68914306
There are many situations where I'd be okay with a friend one-party recording me, especially so if it was me talking about say, a bad manager situation or something.
One-party recording isn't inherently bad so he's either a complete idiot or the content is compromising.
Either way, he would have been better off not saying anything as it comes off as a (poorly thought out) attempt to slander her reputation amongst low-functioning listeners.

>>68914306
The blacked out manager in that screenshot? Elira Pendora. Otherwise where'd it come from? If an actual manager sent them that to share, that person is literally sub 40 IQ to undercut the fuckiing CEO like that.

>>68914306

it basically proves niji doesn't have any legal or HR on staff in any capacity, at least for EN.

also Canada is 1 party consent, so it doesn't matter if he knew or not.

>>68914102
And they rectified that. She's now actually part of a proper gen and is getting the attention she needs (as tge recent new outfit shows)

>>68914774
>blacked
>Elira Pendora
makes sense

>>68914763
>a friend
A coworker. A person with whom you play video games together while streaming to the internet to entertain an audience so that they pay you money.

>>68915052
Thank fucking God for that, I hated seeing her treated so much worse than any other Hololive member

>>68906111
Doki nigger fantasy is only psychopathic

>>68912214
https://twitter.com/s_h_uuko/status/1757279302742356228

>elira betrayed selen to shape nijien just like her character lore states, except she's also the fucking management
WEW

>>68915226
His words, not mine.

>>68914763
Inb4 it is him talking massive shit about pomu, reimu, his fans, whining about Hololive etc. Or no, I got it. Talking shit about the Chinese in general. Oh yeah, that'll go over nicely once it's out.

It really does sound like he is preemptively going "it's not faaaair I did not consent for that to get recorded" to excuse himself. Thing is this is dumb to admit to. If he was recorded telling the Chinese to all go choke on gutter oil after blindfolding themselves with dental floss, he could have just said it was a deepfake to tarnish him or something. Welp too fucking late now, he admitted it happened. It could also be something benign as him talking about how he likes to fold his laundry or something but if it was that, why would he care to make a stink about it unless it was purely to be a petty bitch. Lose lose no matter what.

>>68906111
This has to be the insane running the asylum, right? Their statement and yachtman's were like night and day. Tazumi's was fairly professional business shit and Elira and co's were "n-nuh uh, it's actually HER fault." Yeah, maybe his might be disingenuous, but it at least alludes to changes, while theirs was fucking stupid.

>>68909513
>They approved it themselves because they're effectively managing themselves and didn't know Riku was about to drop such a good response later
Elira literally says another video is coming out a few hours later

>>68912214
>This is a great doujin plot, but given the situation, she's basically an Anycolor victim too. So kinda uncalled for imo.
I will never understand how people can blame every misdead on ominous people like "management"/"investors"/"unnamed CEOs" and completly ignore that maybe the people directly involved may carry some fault aswell

>>68912214
Kek

>Branch is expanding quickly
>Must minimize upkeep costs to maximize profits
>HR? PR? Not needed. Maximize profit
>Management? Get the recently fulminated ID branch to do it, they used to be vtubers, they know what they're doing, right?
>clueless.jpg
>Hold on, we have a few golden geese and ringleaders among the talent. Let's get them overseeing management too
>whatcouldgowrong.png
>Selen is overly ambitious and is not in the circle. Management gets jealous and petty
>Selen voices concers about favoritism. Management doubles down on pushing her down
>It brings her menhera tendencies to the breaking point
>Decides to go sewer-sliding
>Mission failed
>Consequences dawn on management like a ton of bricks
>Bird wisened up and lawyered up
>ohshitohshitohshit
>Management are the livers are the bullies. Enter panic mode. Spaghetti on every statement
>Make the situation bad enough for daddy company and investors to notice
>They are now looking at wtf is really happening
>All because they got too greedy

Mark my words: The only way they financially recover from this is by making a lot of heads roll. However, le retarded Vox, the golden goose, has implicated himself. This alone will have greater consequences on the company than whatever Elira and her clique have done.

>>68917324
Selen already had legal counsel on the 26th, possibly related she also re-opened her dokibird merch store on the 23rd.

It's reasonable to bellieve she wanted to amiacably leave to the public, but also find those responsible liable

>>68907063
I mean, didn't this Raziel person literally imply that?
https://youtu.be/Jwk6Nkz6cfk?si=bESobnvR-NhBqwfA

>>68917324
We know for a fact that JP info going to EN was filtered back and forth through the couple of people who actually understood Japanese. This is the key point of contention. For the longest time JP higher ups would not hear about things from EN aside from what was approved by the gatekeepers. And similarly EN would be held off from important info from JP. This helps explain the Pomu situation with the lost Metal Gear sponsorship.

>>68906111
How would Pomu be positive about Elira if she was management?

>>68917542
I truly believe Selen was not fully aware of the fucked up internal workings of it all, she just wanted to leave and be left alone. I bet her lawyer is putting 2 and 2 together with every new statement made by this retarded pseudo-management and that scares them. I bet Anycolor will try to give them some hush-hush money while also firing a lot of people as damage control.

>>68918057
>This helps explain the Pomu situation with the lost Metal Gear sponsorship.
It was never a Metal Gear sponsorship. Konami has been business partners with Anycolor for years (had offices in the same building, even). Konami knows that sponsorship requests would always go through management - they would never reach out to the livers directly.
It's way more likely to have been a collab with an idol group, specifically one of Pomu's favorites, Niji no Conquistador. Pomu released a cover of one of their songs a couple of months prior, and they noticed her & started following each other on Twitter. They/their manager probably DM'd Pomu directly for a collab (because they aren't familiar with how collabs/sponsorships work at AC), she took it to management, but it was denied w/o discussion/negotiation because one of the heads of NijiEN's had an active, main job at Universal Music, while the idol group is under King Records, and he had a powertrip.

>>68914763
It's not inherently bad. The problem here is that the matter directly pertains to Vox not getting his ass kicked for the same violation which two livers got terminated over.
Selen didn't ask him. Didn't give him a choice. And now that Nijisanji is hellbent on yabbing itself into the grave vox is the beaten child stuck between two abusive parents.
All three of them are low-functioning for not understanding that all that shit is going to be redacted even if a case went ahead. There's enough stalking and harassment cases to seal records not that they even need a jury trial. It's open and shut for a settlement once logs are pulled and all the canadian law violations are tallied up. Tazumi baited them into making a hit vod to defame Selen over shit that is literally disprovable by logs. even the 6 discord messages they showed completely omits anything else regarding the MV when Selen had been working on and obtaining perms for it from numerous parties for over a year before they just ignored her for over a day for a talent they don't even look at the calendar for.

we need someone to dox selen

>>68918057
I'm convinced the clique had way more actual power than just a high-school esque Mean Girls type shit. If they abused that power and Doki has evidence then they are very much liable, which is why they would have access to the documents and why they don't want the investors and Anycolor looking into things more closely. But they underestimated their own retardation and here we are.

>>68918572
>It's way more likely to have been a collab with an idol group, specifically one of Pomu's favorites, Niji no Conquistador. Pomu released a cover of one of their songs a couple of months prior, and they noticed her & started following each other on Twitter. They/their manager probably DM'd Pomu directly for a collab (because they aren't familiar with how collabs/sponsorships work at AC), she took it to management, but it was denied w/o discussion/negotiation because one of the heads of NijiEN's had an active, main job at Universal Music, while the idol group is under King Records, and he had a powertrip.
I BELIEVE THIS RRAT

>>68917542
It's unlikely to be related. It takes time to get enough ad revenue to help offset blowing 15k out your ass on something that only gets 500k views. She's not getting the money back. There's a very low chance she was even going to dent its cost. So of course she opened merch up, because onlyblack gives them only a 2% cut of merch and they aren't supporting her projects financially

>>68918572
That sounds belieebable.

The funny thing is that with each day it becomes more likely that Selen did take things a lot more personally than she should have. However with each day it matters less because they are just setting the office on fire here.

Was it Elira that took Pomu's once in a lifetime opportunity away?

>>68918981
Yes

>>68918981
Only if you think Elira secretly wanted Pomu out of NijiEN, because that denied opportunity was what pushed Pomu to consider graduation.

>>68906111
The biggest crime is that this artist will probably fuck off forever now that Selen is gone and Elira fucked everything up.

>>68918889
No one that watched her at length denies that she has a menhera streak nor that the company has been waterboarding her for over a year and a half on any and everything while everyone else except Zaion was getting away with murder. It was completely avoidable. Her projects were constantly getting shot down, harassed over, and had to fully pay out of pocket herself for them.
Like bro, it took nearly two days just to get a fucking response.
AAA multi-billion dollar internation megacorporations were tweeting directly at her begging her to DM them if she wanted any perm at all so it would get done before the new game EoS'd. That's how bad things at NijiEN management got.

>>68919241
That's not even that good. Be the change you want to see in the world and start doing your drawing dailies.

>>68919241
damn that fucking sucks.
art is fucking amazing too.

>>68906111
Does this support my rrat about Riku being the "clueless CEO" who has no knowledge about what his livers are doing but he just rubber stamps everything?

>>68919770
I've been considering getting back into doing art, but school, work, and other hobbies eat up most of my time. It's disingenuous to say that it isn't good though.
>>68920164
It's a big shame. Has been in my top 3 artists for a while, but they exclusively draw Elira and sometimes also drew Selen. One can only hope they just jump ship and find a new oshi, but I get the feeling that's not the case.

All of my feet art of Elira and Selen are now non canonical. Fuck.

>>68919241
he'll just do like all the other artists ever did with failing chuubas, find another one to draw.
Hope it's Lamy, her tits are enormous (canon IRL even she's constantly complaining about it) and her hair is not as retarded

>>68919770
Serious question: how do I man the fuck up and just do it? I've got so many ideas swirling in my head, entire fucking MCs storyboared inside my imagination, and the fact that I can't realize them to any degree frustrates me to no end. But when I decide to learn how to draw, the very fucking moment I pick up the pen, I start cringing at myself and dropping the idea for a few weeks until the frustration builds back up. I'm so tired of this cycle.

>>68922073
That would be the best outcome, though he already isn't very active so it's hard to say. Lamy would be the ideal replacement, or possibly Noel or Choco. All three need more art.

>>68921045
You can get to like 60% of that which is good enough in its own right and way more than you need to get commissions.

>>68922128
You just do it one panel at a time? Set aside a specific time to do it on a regular schedule then just do it my brother. Let the routine establish then carry you to greatness. It's going to suck. It's going to suck for a long time. It's going to be cringe. But here's the thing, so what if it's cringe? You're endeavoring to improve and become a better more capable you. There's nothing more brave than that. Everyone had to push through to make it.