/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>68909074
kill urself my man

>>68909074
She doesn't have a brain anon.
Head empty, corpo puppet.

>>68909074
Can we finally stop defending her now?

>>68909074
she just didn't want to be exposed for being the queen bee

>>68909074
because she's part of the lawsuit

>>68909074
Alive thyself my man

>They thought the court uses anime names

>>68909074
You can request to unseal court records and documents in Canada.

I really didn't understand this part other than they wanted to throw more shit at Doki and just pray that people hear the word 'doxx' and go rabid.

It's a legal document. It has to deal with people's legal names and addresses. That's just how fucking legal documents go. Did they really expect to see 'Vox Akuma' and 'Millie Parfait'?

>>68909074
retard, if it goes to court its no longer a sealed document, all of their info is free real estate

>>68909074
>Confidentiality didn't stop Niji from leaking it to their talents and they're a fine upstanding company. Who's to say what Selen would do?
That's the logic they're operating on

>>68909893
What do you expext Doki to do?

>Oh no, these people will have their names leaked
>Guess I won't go ahead and do the morally and legally right thing by seeking compensation from a company that has abused me and others for years

Can't bake a cake without cracking a few eggs. It would ultimately be Nijisanji's fault if this goes to court. Pay the fucking girl her money in a settlement and it all goes away.

I hate the urge I have to forgive all cute and sex anime women that I masturbate to sometimes

>>68909074
It's a legit concern. Everything including their home addresses were included for no reason. Court records aren't kept secret unless it's national security or something.

>>68909893
>What is redaction

>>68910352
>included for no reason

Bro that shit is not included for 'no reason' in a document like that. Its included for a very specific reason. Because they might need to be served or subpeona'd.

Sorry motherfucker, your name and home address is not private information, even if you're a vtuber.

>>68909893
They redact that shit retard, are you 12?

>>68909683
kek best post

>>68910352
>no reason

Bro if they’re about to be sued or deposed as part of a court case their addresses are going to be part of the legal correspondence; where the fuck do you think the lawyers are going to send the papers?
Dumbass

The funniest thing about all this is the multitudes of retards and underaged who are all suddenly legal experts

>>68909893
>what is a motion to seal
the dramachannels really brought in a bunch of underage faggots huh

>>68909074
Kurokara obviously do it so they can't graduate anymore, now they all have the same color. BLACK

>>68910352
>no reason

Nigger, you need to know where to send legal summons and requests.

>>68910352
Are you fucking stupid? If you're asked to testify for a civil or criminal suit you can't just tell the court you're an anime girl and they're not allowed to doxx you

>>68910305
Just become Melocopilled. She's not involved in any of this bullshit.

>>68909303
It was always the sisters defending her

>>68909074
NEPO-SENTAI! NEPO-SENTAI!

>>68910815
NTA but I literally had zero clue about what or who Elira was other than she was 'the one who also looks like Selen' and during all of this, people were saying she is keeping quiet and just wants to do her own thing, which I respected. But now after that hilarious video I have a negative opinion now.
Whoever thought that video was a good idea needs to be fired.

Do you think we're going to get a 3D live court stream out of this?

>>68909074
She was probably misled by niji attorneys.

>>68909074
You know that dumb bitch juice she's always sipping on? Well...

>>68911007
Sisters damage control. She's the one who nepohired her clique of bullies.

>>68909716
I guess that's a good reason to use fake anime names in a fucking court document. Why doesn't the legal system understand vtuber kayfabe! It's about their safety too!

>>68910690
KEK my sides

>>68910352
The court of law doesn't care about anime girl anonymity, zoomie.

>>68909074
man my friend works at a litigation firm i wish i could find a way to get him to ask a lawyer about this shit

>>68909716
That requires a judge to make a motion to unseal which happens WAY WAY later. Selen/Doki and Anycolor are still in the discovery phase which is essentially first draft stage of getting a legal case together and any documents produced has to be vetted, agreed upon as evidence and submitted to the court for an upcoming court case handled BY THE LAWYERS ONLY after the plaintiff, Selen/Doki, dumped every single piece of evidence she had for this legal case for her lawyers to collect, tally and organize. Witnesses and parties that are relevant to the case are not supposed to be involved at this stage and Anycolor's lawyers screwed up big time.
What should've happened was that they should've only asked for evidence from the talents that were involved and done nothing else until the case actually reaches the court with a judge when they can start actually making the documents public after they get vetted and cut up and changed to only include the most relevant parts. And since there is confidentiality that would be involved due to how Vtubing works, it would be easy to make the case that everyone involved as John/Jane Does and redact the evidence accordingly so when they show up, there's no issue with doxxing anyone in the real sense.

>>68911927
There whole point was that the documents COULD have led to their doxxing
Nothing you said refutes this notion. If the legal proceedings advanced it would lead to their information being put it out into the public, which was their entire issue. That there was a chance this could happen.

All today's events tell me is none of the statements made today were run by Anycolor's lawyers before being posted.

>>68912121
Your honor, I have legal immunity on the grounds of being a vtuber.

>>68912142
Because NijiEN doesn't HAVE lawyers. They just have poos.

>>68910690
>If you're asked to testify for a civil or criminal suit you can't just tell the court you're an anime girl and they're not allowed to doxx you
You absolutely can request anonymity from a court, they're of course not obligated to grant it but if they decide your reason for it is good enough you'll be listed as a Jane Doe or whatever on all documents regarding the case

>>68909074
it's called smear campaign

>>68912233
That means they don't release the info, the fucking court and lawyers still get the info dipshit, which is all that has happened so far.

>>68912121
And?
Is Doki supposed to not pursue legal action because the people who did shitty things to her might be exposed?

>>68909074
No she's a bully

>>68912233
Yes but the court will still know who you are. Your right to privacy doesn't extend to protecting you from being sued lol

>>68912121
so you saying every vtuber got legal immunity?
are you retarded?

>>68909716
>>68912121
this is so fucking retarded. not only you're treating this impossible situation as very likely she also said "I felt threatened". nobody can simply get hold of this document without legal reason

>>68912504
Well apparently they can if Niji's managers think it'll help their PR

>>68910690
>>68912233
I'm imagining lawyers wheeling a massive screen into court and having everyone testifying with their avatars because everything happened "In character" like Hulk Hogan wearing his do-rag in court because that was part of the character that was being slandered.

The kino...

>>68912233
>You absolutely can request anonymity from a court,
that doesn't stop the court from having your information at all. or do you think you can simply request to be protected from being sued?

>>68912121
So, in your tiny retarded brain, taking legal action should be illegal because it REQUIRES personal information to be written in some form or another at some point of the proceedings? Do you undestand how stupid you sound right now?

>>68912504
She could place a temp restraining order then a hearing into a permanent restraining order later if she really wanted to. I think Canada has something similar to that effect.

>>68912663
The court having your info isn't the end of the world retard. Its a given basically.

>>68912714
Reminder that your name and address are public information and are not 'personal' or 'private' in any regard

>>68912607
>if Niji's managers think it'll help their PR
it's much more likely that they thought this would change public opinion and just took another shot to their foot

>>68912775
>The court having your info isn't the end of the world retard. Its a given basically.
so what's the problem?

>>68912714
Bro, I can't believe the court system doxes millions upon millions of people a year...

>>68909747
>Did they really expect to see 'Vox Akuma' and 'Millie Parfait'?
i mean...

>>68913054
Hot...

>>68910378
if you don't think petty ass Selen would have them all dragged in front of judge and jury and sworn in on their real names you're delusional. this shit would be everywhere

>>68911927
>Witnesses and parties that are relevant to the case are not supposed to be involved at this stage and Anycolor's lawyers screwed up big time.
>What should've happened was that they should've only asked for evidence from the talents that were involved and done nothing else
this might have been what happened and the retard-trio thought they were seeing everything.
>here's a list of complaints, did you do any of these?

>>68912121
That's why there are confidentiality agreements baked inside the law to prevent inappropriate disclosure from both sides at this point. In Canadian law, that's called "
Deemed Undertaking" and this is the best paragraph about why it exists.
>Whatever is disclosed in the discovery process is disclosed only to the parties involved and cannot be disclosed to media, police, or other people who are not involved. This includes evidence and information that could even be incriminating or information that is more innocuous. The reason for this is (1) the public interest in getting at the truth of a civil action outweighs the examinee’s privacy interest, but their privacy interest deserves some measure of protection and (2) the assurance that the information disclosed cannot be used for a collateral purpose will encourage litigants to provide a more complete and candid discovery.
https://www.canlii.org/en/commentary/doc/2021CanLIIDocs2022#!fragment/zoupio-_Toc65451109/BQCwhgziBcwMYgK4DsDWszIQewE4BUBTADwBdoAvbRABwEtsBaAfX2zgDYBWAFi4EZ+ABgCcASgA0ybKUIQAiokK4AntADk6iREJhcCRcrWbtu-SADKeUgCE1AJQCiAGUcA1AIIA5AMKOJpGAARtCk7GJiQA
The main issue is the fact that the talents aren't getting sued in this specific lawsuit directly, it's Anycolor as a legal entity that represents them since this is an employer employee suit. Furthermore, Selen can't see the documents Anycolor has on their side and has not revealed anything on her social media. So yeah, Anycolor is fucked.
>Consequences of breach
>The deemed undertaking is an undertaking to the court and not just to any other party. If a party breaches the undertaking and uses the information when they should not, the court could find that party in contempt. The court may also permanently stay the proceedings and/or order costs. The proper approach is to ask permission (under R. 30.1.01(8)) and not risk having to seek forgiveness.

>>68913320
I would buy fifty Dokibird gifted memberships if she did.

>>68909074
>why doesn't the court document say Elira Pendora?
>AIIIEEEEEE I'M BEING DOXXED I'M AFRAID FOR MY LIFE

>>68910352
The reason is because they are also defendants in the lawsuit, aka they are the bullies Niji mentioend in their statement

>>68909683
kek

>>68913320
>Doki
>petty ass

What has Doki actually done that wasn't in direct reaction to management being retarded for the nth time? She has only ever reacted to management and hasn't don't anything on her own initiative.

>>68913452
As I said in >>68913517, you can't even do that. Discovery is that confidential. At best, all these talents are to know at this point is the fact that they are involved in a lawsuit and must provide evidence regarding their interactions with Selen where possible at this stage. They shouldn't know about what Selen has provided to Anycolor as evidence against them.

>>68913974
They don't need to know evidence but surely they'd be told what the accusations against them are, right? Seems difficult to conduct an investigation and gather evidence for your defence without them knowing that.

>>68913320
It's not her decision to make dumbass, the court decides whether or not to redact their information. This might surprise you but internet anime girls aren't the first time courts have had to deal with sensitive information

>>68909283
Of course she doesn't have a brain.
Niji on twitter:
>Selen and her lawyer mentioned the possibility that they will also hold Livers affiliated with ANYCOLOR Inc. legally responsible.

>Elira tells us the documents mention Enna and Millie

Why else would they be on there in a lawsuit where bullying is at the core?

She is actually retarded and outed them.

>>68914394
Doki isn't taking action against them directly, they are relevant to the case but their employer is the one legally responsible. Whether they need to see those documents is for the court to decide, not the half-trained monkeys running the EN branch.

>>68914796
>Elira tells us the documents mention Enna and Millie
She said "Enna, Millie, and I". A lot of people missed the "I" apparently, please keep in mind that she's one of the bitches.

>>68909683
>retard doesn't know about Japanese courts

>>68914819
>Doki isn't taking action against them directly
She should be, frankly. Not to mention the violation of her rights, but also the emotional and financial damages are insane.

>>68914394
No, the employer is named in the lawsuit as the only legal entity here and is the one facing the accusations themselves. The talents will be involved in the process but they aren't directly legally in trouble here directly as the opposing side in the "vs." title of the court case. And that's what discovery is for. You provide everything you have in general about a subject and the lawyers sort and organize it out and decide what counts and is relevant here to the claims. Not everything will be used and disclosed so that's why only lawyers should be seeing and doing this as they have to protect this information anyways as part of their job hence why it is a "first draft" type process.

>>68914912
They didnt
Everyone knows she is the clique leader

>>68909074
she isn't. she was forced to read a retarded script and that's about it.

>>68909716
Oh yes, I can already see how there is a very fucking definite situation were a judge is gonna authorise these documents to be unsealed. Are you retarded or in your limited knowledge of law you decided to out yourself as a fucking underage troglodyte who never dealt with a court?

>>68910352
You absolute retards need to live in the real world for just a second. That's what the fucking document requires, you HAVE to write the address there. Bunch of autistic zoomers.

>>68912640
>born too late to explore earth
>born too early to explore space
>born just in time to see the very first vtubers being used in a court case

>>68914992

with what is publicly known, neither party (niji or doki) have strong enough arguments offensively that I would feel comfortable engaging legally. I do feel that doki has quite a strong defensive position should they choose to pursue legal action and the reason I believe that is because Selen made her statement and then said nothing else about it, the other party is doing all the talking for her.

>>68914796
"Possibility" doesn't mean anything until the talents themselves are served with said lawsuit in their hands. And that hasn't happened yet. The possibility they will be served in the future doesn't give Anycolor the right to show the talents accused everything Selen/Doki and her lawyers has submitted for evidence. Selen/Doki doesn't get to see the other talent's chat logs or recordings between themselves talking about how to bully her without her being there nor is she revealing it anywhere either in her own statement, that's for the lawyers to handle who will protect this information on the basis of their profession and who handle many other people's private information like this and keeps it secret.

>>68909074
Use your brain, what do you think nijisanji told them.

>>68914819
>Whether they need to see those documents is for the court to decide
I don't mean seeing the actual documents but the information they contain. Like if her allegation is that they harassed her, the company couldn't directly ask them if they did?
>>68915213
Even if they're specifically named in the complaint? If they're unlikely to be subpoenaed then I'm not entirely sure why they would need their addresses (I'd previously been fine with it given the assumption they would need to provide information themselves).

i cant wait to have vox akumas 400 lbs body wheeled into the courtroom and he has to give his testimony in real life in front of cameras rumao i hope nijisanji and all the talents perish and never return

>>68915868
Their addresses were inside the correspondences and evidence Selen submitted but again, the evidence is EVERYTHING she can find on them and it is 100% going to be redacted and part of discovery is getting the lawyers to omit and cut out everything that isn't relevant to the case before it is submitted as evidence. Lawyers do not dox people unless they want to go to jail and get their license revoked from practicing law.

>>68909074
I always knew she was a snake in the grass. I feel sorry for Pomu in this. Fuck this cunt though for real

>>68909074
Not her words
Thats Management trying to do a smear campaign

>>68916209
Oh yeah I'm not saying they would dox anyone, I just didn't expect that level of detail about them if they're not like, a named party or something.

>>68909074
She's a woman.
She's Canadian.
She's ethnically Chinese.
She's always been a manipulative, two-faced backstabbing cunt, even before she was Elira.

>>68909074
>sealed
Well clearly someone unsealed them if Vox was about to THOROUGHLY review them as he said kek

>>68910352
Least retarded Niji lawyer.

How can anyone read a document when it's sealed? It's a Schrodinger's document

Hey, let's request those files and find out their info lmao. Streisand effects BOI

>>68916759
I mean, I can easily see why house addresses would be included given the amount of off-collabs and trips they take together. Like remember the off-collab all the EN girls had in Elira's basement 3 months back or so? I doubt people have Elira's address memorized so she would obviously post it so everyone can show up in her basement.

I think Anons are missing the point here.
Basically Niji decided that showing lawyer correspondence to their livers was a good idea.

It's in fact a very bad idea and will probably get Nijisanji into actual legal trouble.

The bunch of hoes who responded and felt "threatened" by court documents just got a huge reality check. Probably saw legal documents for the first time in their lives and panicked.

>>68917066

Is that where she's going to be bound to a table with her holes exposed and everyone is taking turns using her? Even rubbing against her tits, armpits and feet? Because I'd be down for that?

>>68916799
You just described Selen

>>68916978
they can get that info redacted for their safety you fucking retard

>>68912121
>the documents COULD have led to their doxxing
They couldn't, because the only people meant to see those documents were the involved parties and their legal teams.

>>68917600
I know you are jesting but I was referring to this in case someone wants to know.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjNiFKV81vE

>>68917740
Exactly. The blackscreen squad apparently does not know that, and should never have seen the documents.

Like, I understand that the Niji lawyers would want them to talk the documents over. But they could have done the right thing and showed them a censored version.

If any party risked to dox them, it is Niji themselves.

>>68917622
I mean, they're sisters, aren't they?

>>68917066
Yeah if she just dumped her discord logs then I totally get it, I guess I'd just heard it framed as "given to the court" as in, in an official capacity and not just incidentally included in evidence. The downside of not being privy to any of the information and having to reconstruct it from gossip I guess.

>>68917538
>Basically Niji decided that showing lawyer correspondence to their livers was a good idea.
Maybe I'm being pedantic but their claim was that they showed "information" not necessarily the actual correspondence itself. I don't think they chose that wording by accident.

wtf you mean to tell me they have to show up to court in person instead of using one of these?

>>68909303
>nooooo she can't be a bully, she just happens to be friendly enough with the bullies that she got them nepotism hired in

>>68918484
Can you imagine what a lore-accurate lawsuit would look like?

>>68918237
Of course a lawyer would include the REAL names and adresses of all parties involved in their documents. Just for the simple reason that it clearly identifies everyone involved. Which is a necessary thing for court.

When it comes to actual legal procedings, they can ask the court to not make this information publicly available. It's easy.

But this was pre court. Lawyers eyes only.
If they would have shut up about it, no one would know. Now everyone and their mom knows that this information exists and will try to get their hands on it.
Niji put their own livers at risk. Again.

But somehow it's Selens fault for sueing them. lmao

>>68917919
We're not even at that stage yet. Discovery, the first part of the legal case, wasn't even done yet. Only Anycolor's lawyers representing Anycolor can see them as we're talking about a company being a legal entity. The talents themselves are not Anycolor and even if they had a threat of being involved, are not entitled to see that evidence. Only when the documents are cleaned up, submitted as evidence to the court and unsealed by a judge can they see them since they are basically like the public like anyone else here.
>>68918237
>Yeah if she just dumped her discord logs then I totally get it
Discovery means getting everything literally even remotely related to the case submitted for the lawyers in order to get as complete picture of what is happening in the legal case and yeah, that would mean Discord logs where everything sensitive would be.
>Maybe I'm being pedantic but their claim was that they showed "information" not necessarily the actual correspondence itself. I don't think they chose that wording by accident.
The talents claimed otherwise and knew what was in it specifically. Vox shouldn't for example know that Selen recorded an audio call with him, just that he was involved. Even if what they were shown was redacted by Anycolor's lawyers themselves, it was improper disclosure. But I guess we'll have to see how the legal case plays out.

>>68918619
>The talents themselves are not Anycolor and even if they had a threat of being involved, are not entitled to see that evidence.

Again: Why would Selens lawyer care about Niji lawyer fuckups?

>>68918793
They shouldn't but the breach, they should because improper disclosure is not legal as stated originally in >>68913517 and that is more damages the lawyers can press and make more money. At best, Anycolor could be held in contempt by the court the lawsuit is being served. At worse, the remedy could also include on top that Selen includes the evidence relevant here early to try and clear her name again being careful to only address the points that were raised in the video the talents participated in on Elira's channel.

>>68912211
No one is saying that, retard. The point is that she's correct in saying that the court document COULD lead to the public getting their real names and other information.
Which would mean that they'd have to get involved legally to try to protect their real identity as much as possible. No one wants to hire a lawyer

>>68910352
NTA but I'm pretty sure two sources are given, one with redacted elements that can be used in common proceedings.

>>68914796
Imagine if this was all a 300IQ play by Selen, Vox and Ike to force Nijisanji to dissolve NijiEN and cancel everyone's contracts, by making the shittiest statement video ever and outright stating that confidential documents were shown to them, but with reasonable doubt that they were intentionally trying to fuck up the company so they can't get sued.

>>68919097
Vtubers keeping their "real identities" secret is the biggest farce in the industry. The shit that qualifies as "doxxing" in this sphere is fucking absurd.

>>68919346
And fucking nuking their career? No one and I mean no one will want anything to do with the afterward

>>68919097
Cool.
Doesn't change that Doki including this information in legal proceedings is a completely normal and necessary part of the discovery process and the monkeys running Niji EN violated confidentiality by showing it to whoever they felt like. Exactly one party has leaked this information to people not involved in the case, and that's Nijisanji.

>>68919333
That comes after the complaint is filed with the defense opting for an emergency hearing out of privacy concerns. So there is still a small window where you can see everything. There is probably some guy stalking the court docket searches and refreshing every hour.

>>68910352
Elira, didn't your lawyers tell you to shut up yet?

>>68919664
That's what would elevate it to an absolute masterpiece Metal Gear plot. Wilfully giving up their careers for justice. And before you say it, yes i'm aware it's not gonna happen

>>68915539
You will live to see the day that a judge is a vtuber and they address the cartoon man/woman on the bench as Your Honor-sama.

>>68920598
I wonder if that will be allowed or not. Even if you are John or Jane Doe, at least in the US, the courtroom artists can still sketch your likeness. I wonder if we'll see an exception here and the courtroom artists need to draw anime characters instead of something.

>>68920598
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebpnT_mZ1T8&t=167s

>>68919777
Cool.
Doesn't change the fact that it would mean that the people involved have a genuine reason to assume personal information could be exposed to the public.

Also everyone who was shown the document is involved. Elira, Millie and Enna are mentioned in the document and Vox was used as evidence of favoritism

>>68919097
Anon, plaintiff 1 initiated legal proceedings against company A and defendants 1 2 and 3. Nijisanji then announced that selen was going after livers for bullying, and then nijisanji announced that doki had served legal documents to elira enna and millie. If dokibird had her way no one would ever know that the court case of 'plaintiff 1 vs company A and defendants 1 2 and 3' case was in any way linked to any of the selen vs niji drama.

>>68909283
>>68914796
She does literally have aphantasia. We without can't really know what they don't know, since they don't know what we know.

>>68912121
This is the same kind of nonsense shit pink cat bad spat out to get people to dogpile on nux and deflect from vshojos negligence by the way.
thing is the situation is so bad that simply saying "oh it COULD doxx" isn't enough to deflect the common populace from the heinous shit Niji EN is trying to pull. Like by timing this during doki's neopets stream to bait her out into saying something stupid live. Thank god her lawyer is on the ball and was immediately available.

>>68910771
I really like Meloco but any support I give her just funds the anti-Doki lawyers. I'll wait until she redebuts.

>>68921095
Do you think these people are just ghosts completely off the grid? There were always people who could leak their personal info, mostly those working in the company. There are legal agreements ensuring that anyone who did that would be punished, and similar agreements applied to these documents. The only thing that changed was a couple of lawyers coming into the fold, who would be barred from ever working in the field again if they leaked it. Pull your mouth off of Riku's cock and think for a second.
Once again the court will decide who needs to see the documents, not Niji's dipshit managers.

Also you forgot Ike. Even with your retard stretch he has nothing to do with this.

>>68909074
>>68909283
Elira is the glass-eyed psychopath bitch in HR who would fire you over Zoom with a deranged smile on her face

>>68921573
Hot.

>>68909683
Hey, I played the circus case in Ace Attorney.

So niji's retarded ass thought that legal court documents, with actual law infos like real names and addresses AND defendant identities which would be led to doxx, is safe to share with the entire EN employees?!
What kind of fucking esl sea monkeys are in charge of management?!!

>>68921510
Similar agreements to confidentiality are not confirmed so there is reason for people within Niji to worry about a personal information leak.

Ike mentioned that he was also name-dropped in the document too so he's also directly involved

>>68921692
>What kind of fucking esl sea monkeys are in charge of management?!!
The same kind who were in charge if IN, ID, and KR

>>68909074

>>68921798
>Similar agreements to confidentiality are not confirmed
YOU DON'T NEED AN AGREEMENT, IT'S BAKED INTO CANADIAN LAW. IT'S LITERALLY ILLEGAL.
>>68913517

>>68921095
True, women should never be held accountable for their actions. Especially anime women.

How long until partner companies pull out knowing their pnc documents are in the hands of literal chimps?

>>68921095
>>68921798
Are you absolutely fucking retarded sister? These people shouldn't have even seen these documents in the first place, they were meant for the eyes of niji lawyers only. They shouldn't even know what was or was not in the legal documents served to the company.

>>68912640
>your honor, my client was willing to simply let things go, she isn't the one who decided to dredge legal documents into the public light.

>>68918619
>The talents claimed otherwise and knew what was in it specifically.
I don't know how much stock I put in the talents being able to distinguish between legal correspondence and "vaguely legal looking document" that may have been drawn up by niji.
>Vox shouldn't for example know that Selen recorded an audio call with him, just that he was involved
true, although asking "did you make xyz statements in a voice call with selen?" could have tipped him off, which seems like a fair question to ask in gathering evidence for a defence.

>>68921063
>Mock Trial with J. Dezmond~

>>68910352
Millie and Enna were included BECAUSE they were the bullies, obviously

>>68922013
Discovery isn't the only phase in a lawsuit, you retard. After that, evidence and documents are allowed to go public and there have to be formal legal requests for anonymity. So they'd have to get a lawyer.

No one wants to be forced to hire a lawyer

>>68923256
>No one wants to be forced to hire a lawyer
Yeah that's why people join corpos and talent agencies

>>68923256
Unmask all anime whores.

>>68923256
I don't think that "I don't want to hire a lawyer" is a legit legal defense.

>>68922833

asking him if he made x,y,z statement should not be made until he was read into the case (likely as a defendant). At which point the legal team would have worked with him to write a statement (a la doki) or, much more likely he would've been told to shut the fuck up.

that obviously didn't happen, which would indicate that if there is a legal dialogue in progress (which there seemingly is according to doki and niji), they fucked up bigly.

it's 9am here can I safely go to sleep now?

>>68922356
What world do you live in where you think people who are directly mentioned in a lawsuit shouldn't be allowed to know that they are involved in a lawsuit and what the lawsuit is about? Just imagine the possible deposition

>"Why am I involved in this lawsuit?"
>"That's classified information"
>"Who's filing the lawsuit?"
>"That's classified information"
>"What am I being questioned for?
>"That's classified information"

>>68923556
Unlikely, push for another six or so hours just to be safe. I'm sure we'll get some more panicked damage control soon enough

>>68910280
Now see...That would require Niji to be able to manage themselves out of a wet paper bag.

>>68909683
>I call Mr. Bandage to the stand.

>>68909074
A sealed legal document can be read in open court.

>>68923531
Sure. But you can see why someone would be worried about having their identity leaked and would be annoyed with having to pay legal fees to protect your anonymity because an ex-friend decided to drag you into a lawsuit

>>68910352
Bro, if they are to be witnessed, called, or subpeona'd into the case they NEED to know who the fuck they are.

otherwise Nijisanji has NO witnesses and would most likely default the case to Selen

>>68923700
First of all we don't even know if there IS a lawsuit. Doki has been filing documents as a pre-emptive defense in case the vindictive fucks running Niji EN come after her.
Second, if there is a suit in progress we don't know whether it was initiated by Doki or Niji.
Third, if Doki did initiate a lawsuit it's against Niji, not the individual talents. They are implicated as employees of Anycolor and Niji is responsible for both the legal proceedings and any resulting damages.

>>68923847
If her information is in the document then she wasn’t dragged into a lawsuit, she is one of the bullies in the lawsuit.

>>68923831
Oh no, the judge will surely go to her house and rape her with this spicy information

>>68923847
>But you can see why someone would be worried about having their identity leaked
If I were worried about my identity being leaked I sure as hell wouldn't be the first to publicly mention that I am involved in a lawsuit to get some petty PR ammo.
>annoyed with having to pay legal fees
That's not how legal fees work unless you actually did something wrong.
>an ex-friend decided to drag you into a lawsuit
Friends usually don't give each other reasons to file lawsuits.

The girls aside, the company is going to get sanctioned in Canada one way or another.

>>68923847
Good thing she's a part of a agency with its own dedicated legal team >>68923326

>>68923847
You can be as worried as you like. But that is a not a black mark against Doki. She absolutely can and should enforce her legal rights.

>>68923535
There's no way they could ask him that question as part of an internal investigation prior to responding to the complaint? How are they supposed to know whether to settle or contest it? Also now he can be considered an involved party if he's read in? How is it obvious that's not happened? Sorry for all the questions, it's just interesting to me.

>>68924092
The best twist to all of this would be that the reason their handling of the situation has been so retarded is that the EN leadership has been embezzling the legal budget and they don't actually have lawyers.

If I was doki's lawyer right now I'd be creaming myself over the chaos over on the other side right now. It doesn't look like they're going to be able to stop hurting themselves let alone actually defend.

>>68910352
Based retard

>>68909074
do they understand the concept of a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doe_subpoena?

>>68909074
Somebody explain the masterplan to me

>Publically admitted that Elira and Millie are very specifically mentioned in legal documents
>vox obviously is involved too
>is done on Elira's channel instead of one of the boys' bigger channels or the official Niji EN channel, and that they are doing this specifically at the same time as Doki's first gaming stream
>could have just ignored everything and nothing would have happened instead they are trying to fucking destroy selen

no one in this thread is a lawyer. you all got your knowledge from old episodes of law & order.

>>68923700
Sister the lawsuit was served to the company not to the talents, "you were mentioned here" is not an excuse to leak (among other things) sensitive medical data to third parties.

>Just imagine the possible deposition.

If they were to be summoned to court, they would first have to be subpoenaed by defense, qualified and sworn, even a child knows this.

>>68924504
They think they are in high school.

>>68924525
4chan isn't just for boys anymore, there are lawyers and legal students here.

>>68919097
Honestly by the time that document WOULD hit the stage it's unsealed or public she would have been vtubing 8 or 9 years. IF she's worried that after she retires someones going to dox her long after she's irreverent that's just paranoia.

>>68910771
Anon...I'm sorry

>>68924525
You don't have to be a lawyer to know that leaking confidential legal documents is a really bad idea.

>>68911020
Asking the real question. Time for the "law tubers" to earn some extra cash and weigh in on this shitfest

>>68913517
This reminds me of that one tweet that said Ninisanji breached Japanese labour laws because they didn't given Selena time between the announcement of termination and her getting fired.

>>68923929
The fact that Doki has a legal document at all proves she probably is going to use it or it's already being used
Doki is obviously the one who would initiate the suit considering she already said she was speaking with lawyers after getting out the hospital
Doki's lawsuit directly mentions multiple people in Niji, not just the company, so they have a right to know that they're directly involved in a lawsuit. Especially if there are claims of harassment or if they're being used as evidence

>>68924525
Im a lawyer enough to know that none of this is my jurisdiction. Fuck laws outside of my state and FUCK international law.

Why are they reading legal documents only meant for the lawyers?

>>68924092
Yeah, what if someone decides to graduate in the possible years it'll take for this to end and they're no longer protected by Niji lawyers? Now they have to pay lawyers to protect their identity if anything would happen involving the lawsuit

>>68909376
This 100%, she is fingered as one of the abusive co-workers, and this is all about to get hot and heavy behind closed doors.

>>68925437
They're streaming from their yachts and follow maritime laws. doki is fucked

>>68924525
My friend who is a lawyer had an aneurysm when he watched their statement and read the subsequent tweet. He said he couldn't believe anyone with a law degree would sign off on that.

>>68925437
NijiEN branch doesn't actually have a lawyer.
I thought that was obvious from how they've handled this situation.

>>68925476
This wouln't matter because Doki is not suing those people individually as far as we know and if she was, Niji doesn't have an obligation to provide them lawyers for their own personal legal cases.

>>68909074
maybe, but she could also be malicious

>>68925257
>Doki's lawsuit directly mentions multiple people in Niji, not just the company, so they have a right to know that they're directly involved in a lawsuit.
For what must be the eight time, Niji's dipshit managers do not get to decide that. The court does.

>>68910352
>for no reason
yeah, they should try to hold someone legally accountable without knowing where they existed. that will be much better.

Did they really fuck it up that easily by showing livers the documents that Doki and lawyers basically had an NDA for? Sounds like the most retarded own goal if Doki's right about that. I almost don't believe it, but I hope its that easy for her to just fuck them for it.

>>68924533
Being mentioned in a lawsuit immediately makes you not a third party because you're directly involved. A third party would be like you getting sued for slander then you show your brother the court documents as he has nothing to do with it. There's no proof that her medical data was shown.
>If they were to be summoned to court, they would first have to be subpoenaed by defense, qualified and sworn, even a child knows this.

Yeah, that's why it's a possible deposition. Keyword is possible

>>68924504
IT'S LANGUAGE BARRIER'S FAULT

how anyone in their right mind thinks what they did on Elira's channel was a good idea is beyond me

>>68925790
NTA but
>There's no proof that her medical data was shown.
This is a retarded take because Doki herself said she was concerned that Niji had shown them her personal medical records without consent.

>>68925884
Why would Niji have access to her medical record

>>68910352
shouldn't have bullied someone to the point of a lawsuit then nigger. the law doesn't give a shit about idol culture, and schizos here will have a field day when those names come out

>>68924504
absolutely no one can explain this, all reasonable people are shocked, without words and confused

>>68924504
Enna and Millie* the two highest suspects of the rrats all past week

>>68925587
>They're streaming from their yachts and follow maritime laws
Welp, time to dig up the ol' Jolly Roger and set sail then

>>68910352
Qualified immunity for vtubers since any legal proceedings would be doxxing.

>>68910352
Who are you, who is so wise in the ways of the law?

>>68921200

I also have Aphantasia litterally same head is empty

I can't say I would be this retarded though because even I know legal documents unless it is directly addressed to you and your counsel it wouldn't be seen by anyone else but them

>>68926002
It was probably provided to them as part of the legal documentation as proof of Selen's hospitalisation. We don't know for sure. But we do know that at a minimum, they do have it.

>>68926002
because she gave it to them as proof of her suicide attempt back in december...

>>68925712
>Other examples of where you may disclose personal information without consent:
> if there are reasonable grounds to believe that the disclosure is necessary to assess, reduce or eliminate a risk of serious harm to a person or group
>to comply with a summons, order or procedural rule relating to the production of information in a proceeding, such as a proceeding before a court or tribunal
Source: Information and Privacy Commissioner of Ontario

The courts already decided it's legal. In what clown world are you legally not allowed to know how you're involved in a lawsuit

>>68924504
Japanese company thinks Japanese corporate tactics will work in the West.

Hint: They do not

>>68910352
>No reason
Maybe because the lawsuit involves them as harassers and is vital to the court case you fucking idiot.

>>68925790
You absolute baboon. The court can qualify them as a party based on their being mentioned in the lawsuit. Just being mentioned doesn't give them legal access to see the fucking lawsuit's documents, including ones that don't mention them (and they can't prove that they only saw docs related to them because they weren't supposed to have seen any at all pretrial).

>>68924504
It's a two-pronged attack. Livers go on stream, try to garner sympathy and rally the fanbase to defend them(and therefore the company) from perceived bullying(from the victim). Get the fans all riled up so they won't listen to anything except what you tell them. They fucked this part up twofold. Firstly, when most of your fanbase lives on twitter, victim-blaming someone who attempted suicide is going to leave a bad impression. Secondly, they admitted to breaking Canadian law. Oops.

Afterwards, Riku directly addresses the investors by apologizing for his shitty IR wording. Imagine your bank calling you up and saying:
>Okay bro, some shit happened, but don't panic
That's what that IR notice was like. People understandably started panicking. He then further promises that they have exciting new projects that are still unannounced. Riku's video can be condensed as following:
>Please don't dump your shares :(

Together they were supposed to blind the public to the other sides' statements while simultaneously relieving investor concerns. But because the first half failed, everyone saw the second half for what it was, and it just looks like a greedy, incompetent, company fucked up by shooting it's newly reattached foot off. Again.

>>68925884
Being concerned that someone did something isn't proof that they did it

>>68926155
Enna and Millie are sweet girls who wouldn’t hurt anyone. Its just their antis trying to slander them.

>Have billions of money
>Have resources
>Have lawyer
>Have big influence
>Manage to fuck up every advantage they have
>CEO does bow of shame

What is it? Is it the pajeet slaves in management? Is it the illiterate techbro CEO? How stupid are you to fuck up this bad?

>>68924504
It really is amazing. I can only imagine they're all retarded. Either management thinking it will go just like Zaion as long as the other livers shit on her also or there barely being a "management" for EN and Elira's clique just being left to do whatever dumb shit they think would work. They just needed to let Riku take the blame and it would've been fine. Actually that's the biggest thing suggesting out they were encouraged to be this retarded. Riku wouldn't want to be the only one in the firing line.

>>68909074
Is it possible that Nijisanji chose people close to Selen to make this statement to try and emotionally manipulate her into backing off? Since they're now implicated and would have to show their IRL faces/names if called as witnesses.

Also the word "visa" doesn't show up ITT: could that play a factor in why Elira was up for this? Since she's literally in Japan rn on their buck. Could they straight up revoke it & strand her if she doesn't do what they say?

>>68926347
Also for what must be the eight time, any legal action being taken is against Anycolor, not the fucking talents

Also I don't know how they differ but at least get the right province, everyone knows Selen is West coast.

>>68926347
Inform? Sure. Actually hand over the confidential document for them to thoroughly read? Absolutely retarded, even if partially redacted. That document was meant solely for the legal teams involved and no one else.

>>68926463
The proof is: they saw the legal document that Doki says her lawyer says they weren't supposed to see.

There's no reason to assume they wouldn't have seen the medical information if we are throwing out all of the rules of who is allowed to look at what.

>>68926428
I still can't get over the investor notice, if any financial institution did that they would be sued for market manipulation

>>68926422
Having personal information in a court document that will go public is dangerous to people who are famous and concerned for their safety
They legally have a right to know, you orangutan

>>68926578
They could but if she sells out her morals over a fucking Visa she's a stupid spineless whore.

>>68926506
The EN management is definitely a special kind of retarded but the suits back in JP has to be at least a little retarded to put lobotomites in charge of an overseas branch for the FOURTH TIME.

>>68910352
Did you know that AnyColor has the information of all their livers for tax and payment reasons... OMG THEY MIGHT DOX THEM!

>>68926584
Who's being sued doesn't matter. There are people involved in the suit and the suit has information they don't want public as it concerns their safety so they qualify

>>68909074
That's not the only thing
They exposed who the bullies were

>>68926578
>Since they're now implicated and would have to show their IRL faces/names if called as witnesses.
When it gets to the level of being implicated in bullying someone to suicide, the kayfabe probably isn't that important anymore. I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't doxxed years ago on that one Japanese blog anyway. No one will read the court documents and any drama channel covering it will probably self-censor real names anyway.

I also wouldn't be surprised if Japan had an "anime girl" law that allowed some level of anonymity for retarded vtubers doing retarded things. Hell, maybe this case will be used to create that law in future.

>>68926428
They're probably so confused it didn't work

>>68926648
Doki didn't say anything about her lawyers and the ongoing rrat that Niji have chimps in suits for lawyers is retarded. She probably just assumed because she was told the document was confidential that her ex -coworkers wouldn't see it and assumed wrong

>>68926689
alright my current rrat is that Riku is shorting his shares to go retire and actually live in a yacht
does anyone have the riku pot of greed please

>>68926999
Idiot. She ended stream to talk to her lawyer before making the tweet.

>>68926999
>the ongoing rrat that Niji have chimps in suits for lawyers is retarded.

Not really. Remember they lost to a drama channel

cyberbullying isn't real just close your eyes hahaha

>>68927160
She didn't anything about her lawyers in the tweet and she didn't say "my lawyers said they weren't supposed to see that"

Even if her lawyers were talking through her, who knows? Maybe her lawyers didn't know Niji was legally able to share the document

>>68909683
>"I hereby call Elira Pandora to the stand, Your Honor."
kek just imagine

>>68926698
That's for court to decide.
Let's say I sue you for being retarded with some of your personal information involved in the lawsuit and also mention a very super famous third party in the lawsuit for no reason. Is the third party automatically entitled to receive information about lawsuit, including your personal information, as soon as it's filed? There is procedure for a fucking reason. You don't disrupt it because you are an anime girl on the internet.

>>68926428
I simply can't believe the EN video was planned or okayed by JP management. It's so damning and bad for PR to release that before Riku's video.
Like people got to get fired over it.

>>68926520
The fact that the CEO of a billion dollar company has had to do the JP corpo "We are very sorry" prostration over a fucking purple dragon

>>68912640

>>68927300
You are delusional.

>>68926428
On top of that, now the people that were looking for names that were out for blood now have names.
If Elira knew what was good for her, she'd turn herself in and spend some of her years in a "safe" prison than waiting for some schizo in canada to catch up to her.

When are Elira and Doki going to wink into the camera and clue us in that this entire arc is an elaborate AR kayfabe thing they cooked up 3 years ago.

>>68910771
Who's gonna tell him?

lol

The like 5 or 6 weeb accounts I unfortunately follow keep retweeting stuff about this but no one actually explains anything

can someone give me a QRD

>>68909683
>I call Millie Parfait to the stand
>(large computer monitor gets wheeled in and set up in the chair)
>Millie starts up a private stream on her Youtube using her default model
>has a judge's gavel prop pinned over her hand
>Yes, Mille here, I am present

>>68927338
I'm actually not sure about that. I'm pretty sure if you're going to be involved in a lawsuit you need to be informed about the reasons for the lawsuit. If someone is threatening to publicly tell the world about your address through a lawsuit involving your company I'm not sure you wouldn't be entitled to know because you yourself end up involved

>>68927790
kurosanji tried to do damage control and it backfired, hard, as usual. See Elira channel, NijisanjiEN channel, dokibird twitter and NijisanjiEN x

>>68927512
You know there's no going back right? Getting dragged into a legal case on even the same side sometimes, let alone different sides, is one of those things that destroys even the strongest friendships forever. We'll never go back to the early days ever again...

>>68924001
That judge? Me.

>>68927904
I donno who any of these people are. I need a slightly less QRD

>>68927886
>has a judge's gavel prop pinned over her hand

>>68912775
>Reminder that your name and address are public information and are not 'personal' or 'private' in any regard
for the developed parts of the world, it's not. You need to file a shitload of legal paperwork and get it approved before any contact information gets delivered and even then it is considered confidential and you will be held liable for any damages that may come from spreading it outside involved parties.

>>68927790
Alright. Anycolor members tonight releases a statement saying that Selen had threatened to go public with information regarding the personal locations of Elira, Enna and Millie over purported bullying claims.
It was also disclosed that Selen had been privately recording conversations with vox in order to prove favoritism (somehow she didn't think to use the other 100 examples)

Doki was live at the time and said "imma talk to my lawyer cuz I'm pretty sure that information is supposed to be private"
Anycolor said "we disclosed what was needed and respected her wishes otherwise" Doki said "I'm still talking to my lawyer and it doesn't look like they disclosed my full medical history but I'm pretty sure this information was still supposed to be private"

I love that Nijisis are essentially advocating for Vtubers to be ABOVE THE LAW now
>If you're a Vtuber, nobody is allowed to sue/accuse you

>>68928084
>saying that Selen had threatened to go public with information regarding the personal locations of Elira, Enna and Millie over purported bullying claims.
Nigger you need to go rewatch the video because that is not at all what Elira said.

>>68927936
vtuber enslaver company Anycolor aka Nijisanji aka NijisanjiEN terminated one of their slaves contract after it tried to kill herself and they keep throwing her under the bus and deflecting blame from their completely incompetent management. Today/Yesterday, they dropped another two gems, if you're not into vtubers there's sadly no way to qrd, just watch the last videos on youtube from the channels Elira Pendora and NijisanjiEN, and then read the last tweets from @dokibird and wathever the fuck is the handle for NijisanjiEN
Also their stock fell 16% in a week

>>68916799
NDF

>>68927898
You are involved after you are subpoena'd, not before. The edge cases where identity of witness parties need to be protected are solved by legal teams and the court, not by giving the witness the right to do whatever the fuck with lawsuit documents. It's on NijiEN lawyers to plead with court for redaction, not on fucking Elira Pendora making a public statement about it. How is that even supposed to protect anyone's privacy again?

>>68928223
Except it was what was implied. Selen had sent documents that she had threatened both on and off stream to potentially publicize and send to court. These documents included the personal information of three different members and would dox them.

>>68916799
just because you're on 4ch doesn't mean we have to agree with all your racist posts, anon

>>68927886
>Millie has to explain what happened to the hat in court
>>68928241
>and deflecting blame from their completely incompetent management
I'm getting the impression that the incompetence goes both ways, with both Selen and management being incompetent.

>>68928310
Did you skip this entire thread and just scrolled to the bottom?

>>68928321
NijisanjiEN management complete retardation during all this drama CANNOT be equaled by any sentient mammal

>>68928281
Eh I dunno enough about law to argue with you. I'm just saying that I'm pretty sure if you're going to be involved in a legal case where your information is being threatened to become public knowledge, and said information puts other people at risk too since you live with your family
You should have the legal rights to be involved in the case itself since it involves you yourself.

>>68928369
does that say anything about alien titties?

>>68928310
haven't u ever heard of redacted information in court cases anon?

>>68910352
Unless the parties agree to keep it sealed such as with an NDA that Niji breached or both parties could easily agree to keep it confidential.

>>68928369
Wait till they find out how heavily redacted the Trump papers were, kek

>>68928477
A thorough investigation revealed they're all A cups.

>>68928477
sadly no tiddies but the deep state is keeping space cunny away from us

>>68925476
Shit, you mean being an asshole has consequences? I might have to actually do something to defend myself?

>>68928369
Sure they could have publicly redacted the information but it's also possible for them not to do that and unless they imply or state that they're planning on redacting the information from the public upon release, I don't think I'd be sleeping too easy knowing that my family might unintentionally get involved over a lawsuit from a coworker who thinks of me as a bully.

Imma be real too. As much as I love Dokilen, she's never exactly been one to think about her actions. She's a doer, not really a thinker and technically there's no law that states that she has to redact the names. It'd be a niceity but that's it. She's not a government official, she's hardly a celebrity and finding a judge who even understands what the fuck a vtuber is and why their identity shouldn't be publicized, in Canada might not be an easy task.

>>68928499
Honestly this look like something from my engineering firm

why do people assume that all document presented in court will always be publicly available without any redaction at all

>>68928745
>it's also possible for them not to do that
it's illegal to not do that for unrelated party
it's part of the law

>>68928749
anon you just threw your whole infosec career into the gutter baka

>>68928745
>technically there's no law that states that she has to redact the names
there is

>>68928769
because otherwise they would have absolutely nothing on Selen

>>68927486
turn herself in for what lmao
just being a bully isn't going to get her prison time
maybe a civil case would run her some money but that's it

>>68928310
A. Doki has never said any of that.
B. Not Doki's issue.

>>68928802
this is what I get for phonefagging, "baka" got corrected into baka it is my infosec career that's actually ruined

>>68928310
Perhaps you should find out what your talking about before posting.

>>68928769
BECAUSE NOTHING ELSE IS STICKING SISTER

why the fuck is s m h redacted into baka

>>68909074
I'm sure she's part of EN management and is seriously afraid of getting fired. The amount of excuses and how many times they mention the document unprompted is astonishing.

Can you just grab someone's adress from a court? That doesnt sound right?

>>68928745
it's amazing that by your logic, niji is the one breaking the confidentiality and doxxing their own talents to other talents
by giving elira, vox, and ike access to the document, they're doxxing at least millie and enna to those three
they're also qualifies as external party to each other, so that also counts as giving doxx info to public

>>68928992
To stop turbo zoomers infesting the board with their gay acronyms

>>68928992
baka

>>68928799
>>68928839
They're a related party though. At least the names of elira, Millie and Enna. If she's pursuing charges against individual members and she very well might be judging by her statement and anycolors, it's very likely that they are involved parties meaning that their names would not have to be redacted

>>68928049
he might be referring to the part where so much of your info is already floating around the internet. if you're in america, there are lots of public databases and paid databases (which anyone can pay for) which have a hilarious amount of information about you. i don't know about foreign databases since i only use american ones.

mfw i call people to return their lost wallets and they're like how'd you get this number? surprise motherfucker, phone numbers and addresses are everywhere!

Bitches get some legal documents and instantly act like they are going to Nuremberg. Smells like guilt to me.

>>68926578
I don't understand this part. They're contracted workers, not slaves or even employees, can the company literally force them to make a statement? This isn't a twitter post management could have typed up but spoken word, surely they aren't hostages but willing to speak those words.

>>68929016
>Nijisanji releases all the members adresess internally
>this is Selen's fault

I see

>>68929016
Likely this information was already known by the livers. I'd guess everyone in the discord knows where they live which is likely where Selen got the information from

>>68928310
dumbest cunt in the thread award

>>68929005
Yes, the court can give access to someone's address. By the way, your address is public information stored in your local city government database.

>>68928745
>Sure they could have publicly redacted the information but it's also possible for them not to do that
Nigger, your argument falls flat right then and there.

They can. It's impossible not to.

Or, in case you're going full retard and you're saying that "but if Doki had actually sued them it would become public." Well of course your fucking idiot, that's how lawsuits work.

You're trying to galaxy brain your rrat into something that is really not only extremely common place, but also very simple.

What, you expected her to sue "the performer known as Millie Parfait"? Are you inbred or are your parents just happen to be brother and sister?

>>68929100
this is the strangest part for me. how the fuck does rank and file know the real names of the others?

>>68929005
bro? you could grab someone's address from just walking down the street

>>68929126
For no reason you can just go and ask it? Isnt this a flaw of the system of then rather than an individuals fault then?

>>68915677
The thing is, this wasn't a court case, but this was a contract negotiation... and if Nijisanji EN took any sort of action like an NDA to the details of that document, they've already crossed the line legally

>>68929108
Not really an argument
>>68928912
>>68928975
Doki said that she had considered publicizing the receipts and documents she had. In both the termination notice of selen and her stream she mentioned that she had considered it.

>>68912640
I would watch that stream

Can I just hire a lawyer and sue Cover and force them to doxx Fuwamoco to me?

>>68928424
Your information only becomes public knowledge after the pretrial stage during which your legal representative can ask to redact sensitive information out if you have grounds for it. Only the legal representative gets to actually see the docs because they are the ones with the license and this is a dispute that involves personal information.

>>68929005
what do you think private investigators do? not to mention there are plenty of databases like accurint, clear, TLO, etc

I wonder if Selen only went to the off-collab 3 months ago to get doxx info on Elira and co? In hindsight it's weird that she was there for fun if she was being bullied.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMD6OmV1fpc

>>68929280
According to nijisanji organs yes

>>68929186
Selen asked for it to help her legal case against Anycolor, so there is a reason she received the addresses, gave them to the company for confirmation, and then the company gave that information to the other livers

>>68929054
Your honor we would like to use their online persona name in place of other identifying names ect.

It's not a criminal trial and both parties would benefit. It is frequently done, ie John Doe A, John Doe B. Just look at the Epstein case and all the Celebs redacted and that shiz is illegal af.

I was affraid of Dox is a shitty excuse.

>>68925610
New Niji statement has Selen's lawyers claim that they would possibly also sue livers individually

>>68929385
possibly does not make them party to the suit.

>>68929317
she was obviously bullied into going, just as she was being bullied through that entire video you linked

>>68929186
Nta you can but it's fairly difficult, you have to submit a request with a good reason that need to be approved by the mayor and/or sheriff.

>>68929217
Considered doesn't mean shit

>>68929385
Fucking where? I just read that statement over again and nowhere was that said or implied.

>>68909683
i once tried to open a bankaccount as "facemelt0r69". they did not think it was funny.

>>68928424
The court would, given their work, redact personal info from the public.

>>68929385
nah selen said on stream she did not want to the last measures

>>68929471
So why are Elira and Vox freaking out about it

>>68929570
The 15 min elira video mentioned it iirc

>we're afraid and upset that we may get doxxed if this document gets leaked by Doki
>we learned about this document after it was leaked by Anycolor

>>68929657
Because that's the only angle they have left

>>68929668
Fucking where? I watched the video twice. I have no idea where you're getting that information.

>>68929677

>>68929657
Because if Niji keeps fucking up and the documents reach the public, then a bunch of Selen fans might visit them and their families at their homes.

It's some serious shit, and I fully expect Niji to fuck it up.

>you cant send the court my personal info, that's doxxing
>excuse me while niji doxxed my other coworkers to me by allowing me to read this document
kek

>>68929657
The entire video is an appeal to emotion. Notice how they appeal to ideas of things like safety of a women, betrayel of a friend and violation of privacy. These are all things that make people go fucking rabid in any other context. They don't actually have any actual argument against what Selen said otherwise they would have shown receipts.

>>68929765
make your wagers, how long until they finally do a Wactor and doxx someone

>>68929668
Time stamp or fuck off

>>68929846
Does Selen have any arguments then? Because we can make the case that she's appealing to emotions as well.
>Managment said I have to do things the correct way? This is bullying, I'm not going to kill myself (not really I just like the attention it brings)

>>68929911
My guess is probably within a week.
If not, then once the legal trouble rolls in.

>>68929741

>>68929966
Could they perhaps elaborate on whats the correct way

>>68927112
>>68929186
>Tfw I am old enough to remember having everyone's number and easily acessible address on yellowpages

>>68929966
Who brought up legal issues? Prety sure it wasnt Doki. I didnt know about any Niji v Selen action.

>>68929677
>we're making this threat known to the public and giving it millions of times the exposure it would have had if nobody ever mentioned it and it stayed sealed for the cour like its supposed to
>this cannot backfire in any way telling people that this gold nugget for doxfags exists

>>68929966
Spending 200k out of pocket for content is not an appeal to emotion.
She probably does have the receipt, and if Niji did not issue a formal warning for her to stop, then they are fucked.

It really does not take a rocket scientist. Accounting is as emotionless as it gets.

They done got scarle

>>68930025
They actually did though in the messages publicized.
They told her to wait for approval, she ignored that and then told everyone to re-upload it. Selens manager even asks why she uploaded it when it wasn't approved yet

>>68929966
Selen has been entirely on the defensive this past week and been demolishing bluecheckmarks paragraphs with single tweets

>>68930089
Approval from whom Lilypichu gave them permission like a year ago

>>68929966
Her argument doesn't matter because she never made the initial claims.

Niji said she was the one who claimed she was being harassed. From our perspective, Niji made the initial claim and therefore it is on them to prove she made that claim. But if I am forced to choose between the black company which has lied consistently throughout it's history as well as enganging in other shittu behaviour or the girl who hasn't, my pattern recognitiom recognises that it's probably niji who is in the wrong.

>>68929736
>>68929934
Oh it was actually this tweet not the video https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1757257329945497672

>Selen and her lawyer mentioned the possibility that they will also hold Livers affiliated with ANYCOLOR Inc. legally responsible.

>>68930089
Anon, the manager said that it was because they needed permission to use the ex-livers, who they already own the IP for. Have you considered that this was just her manager being a dick?

>>68930089
what's not publicized is that selen asked and get the perms multiple times regarding the ex-liver in the year it's been making
she also give the manager the drafts and sketch after every update and asked them to check it and she gets the ok every time

suddenly, on x-mas, literally the deadline it's supposed to be posted, the manager added bullshit clause saying she actually doesn't get the ok

>>68930187
The possibility of suing people individually is very different from being in the process of. I imagine what they're saying is, "If we find some really agregious shit from any one particular person, we will absolutely fuck them"

Which is fair

>>68930158
...did you even read the messages, you didn't did you?
The MV was what needed approval, the manager even said the audio was fine but she couldn't publish the MV until it was cleared with upper management since it included two graduated members at the end. Literally savis art was what stopped it but Selen uploaded it without as much as a word to her manager

>>68930089
in my opinion we are way past the christmas video. actually, the "receipts" they showed today only reaffirm the rrat of the managers being stupidly slow. seriously, 36+ hours to check a 4 min video that had been in the works for months and costed 15k and then they come up with some bullshit about permission from graduated streamers that your own company owns and just like that you're missing the christmas release date? no wonder selen uploaded it anyway, I would've done the same

>>68930187
>possibility
As has been mentioned Possibility does not make them party to the suit. They are TALENT not the company also known as contracted employee. Untill they are brought in they are still not party to the suit. So not a defendant.

>>68927991
Imagine that the trial gets streamed and whenever the judge would appear in front of camera 2000 unicorns would scream in unison:
>MALE ON STREAM
>MALE ON STREAM

>>68930071
>Spending 200k out of pocket for content is not an appeal to emotion.
It can be
>Look at these greedy fucks at managment, they refuse to pay for stuff that I want to organize. Doesn't that make you mad?

>>68930291
Why hasnt the upper managed approved it yet how long is it supposed to take they seem to be awfully quick when it comes to fucking her over

>>68922833
they probably had to translate it for their managers lol

>>68930187
>ANYCOLOR Inc. shared only necessary parts of the information sent by her lawyer with our Livers and led an internal investigation.
meanwhile, vox somehow knew that selen used a recording of his call as evidence instead of, idk, a written transcript of the voicecall based on her memories
kek

>>68930449
He probably got shit from the niji management from whatever he told her during the voice call kek

>>68930291
did you see the timestamp?
the manager give it an ok for audio and thus implicitly also give perms for the vid (because selen fucking said it's vid check)
only after the vid has been posted, suddenly they changed tune and said she needs extra perms

>>68930158
Is Lilypichu the only one that Selen needed approval from? Does she fully own the song so she can give approval left and right

>>68930198
This is Japan we're talking about and everything always needs extra approval. Some people have said that if you include graduated livers you need permission from them and that one of them didn't give it but who knows if that's true.
Either way the MV was what was the issue and it seems like management was working on getting approval when it was uploaded by Selen without approval
>>68930260
If you've got proof the manager saw the image of the graduated livers previous to looking into it, I'd love to see it but until then it seems like Selen threw it on them last minute and when they didnt immediately respond she uploaded it herself without permission and said
>Management took down my vid, re-upload it
Which is kinda shitty
>>68930335
It's not a rrat it's how Japan operates. Slow and unreliable. Kiaras talked before about permissions ranging from days to weeks to months and with one of her projects it took a full year to hear back from it on. The best part is that management wouldn't respond to inquiries about said project either.

>>68929217
Operating words here being "had considered"
Then she calmed down or was calmed down by her lawyer and realized it would have been a very bad idea and instead decided to pursue legal action

>>68930528
She is the copyright holder of the song right

>>68924504
it's inexplicable. even if you assume selen has lied about everything, it would still be a huge fuck up by nijisanji

>>68930562
>it seems like Selen threw it on them last minute
that's not how MV making works

>>68930434
Because Japan and anycolor are slow as fuck? Even cover deals with this. Baes Mind Craft cover got delayed for a full month making her cry because of it.

>>68918237
Nah, vox in verbatim said that he THOROUGHLY reviewed the document selen's lawyer gave to anycolor

>>68930528
yes she is the only one copyright wise along with the artists that Selen commissioned, anything else is KurosanjiEN being retarded control freaks

>>68930609
It kinda is. Management themselves don't make the MV they just approve the rights to commission one and they don't really seem to check up on the progress. They then give it the rubber stamp when it's done. No liver, including Selen, has ever talked about management being involved with any step of the process for different MVs.

>>68930089
So far Niji is the only party that has published any proof. We are trusting Doki on her word. We don't have proof of anything other than the hospitalization, so far.

>>68930405
That is irrelevant.
If management did not tell her to stop doing it, then they condoned it. Which can easily be construed as them profiting from Selen exploiting herself for their financial gain.
It really is an open and shut case.

Selen is owned by Nijisanji. Money dumped into Selen is money directly dumped into Niji. It's that simple.

>>68930627
Where do you draw the line from incompetence to maliciousness

>>68930698
Niji admitted to violating the law. I'm not sure what kind of proof you think she needs.

>>68930724
why not both? Malicious Incompetence.

I will not defend retarded japanese corporate culture when they were the ones that decided to invade the west, just close the branch already then

>>68930562
lmao look at this fucking clown

>>68930698
Doki hasn't said anything though.

Her two claims are
>I tried to kill myself
Which is now confirmed, and
>Harassment came from within
Which wasn't even her own claim, since she only said this after Niji did.

So her only real claim is
>I tried to kill myself

What else does she need to prove? Niji has made all the public claims with very, very few receipts.

>>68930698
Unless she has proof that management knew about the image including graduated livers previously imma have to go with the one thats publicized a manager being openly confused about her uploading a video he told her he was getting perms for
>>68930724
I draw the line at Japan. Like I've stated in this thread, Kiara talks about how she can ghosted for upwards of a year by her manager and bae cries because a cover that should have been approved months ago is indefinitely held up.
It's literally one of the biggest problems with the whole "perms" shit

>>68930657
>Control freaks
Or just trying to cover asses

>>68929911
im calling by the end of the week but if thats wrong for sure by the end of the month this rrat will be correct

>>68930883
Cover their asses? From who? Themselves since they own the IPs?

>>68929911
Ill take Friday the latest

>See, I never just did things just to do them. Come on, what am I gonna do? Just all of a sudden jump up and grind my feet on somebody's couch like it's something to do? Come on. I got a little more sense then that.
...Yeah, I remember grinding my feet on Selen's couch.

>>68930860
NijisanjiEN doing collateral damage reminding everyone how much corporations suck, no wonder Cover stock is also down

>>68930072
i miss her so much already man

>>68930763
Admitted to violating the law where?
It was legal to show the document to the people who were involved and they didn't share anything else.

This proves that people just take whatever Doki says at face value since she never actually proved that they broke a law or broke an agreement. She didn't prove any harassment either. She was even caught lying about her video "never being seen again" after it was privated. The dumb bitch could have just waited for the thumbs up after the perms were approved

Their problem is that Vox et al are 3rd parties. Niji broke the law by breaking NDA by disclosing files to them.
We know this because Vox ect THOROUGHLY went over the files

>>68930857
Niji never said that. They said that Selen claims that she was bullied. People suck at reading comprehension.

>>68931023
Basically yeah. Corporations are fuckin ass. Love your oshis not the corp they're in. Hope one day they get a chance like Doki to make it big outside of them.

>>68931161
Bitch, do you read what you write?

>>68930694
You dont understand
Even the proposal requires written approval from the management
And then every drafts and update also needs explicit approval from the management
The one in the publicized DM is just the final check to see the quality, not asking for approval