/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>normies gatekept from vtubing
This can only be a good thing

>>68830320
>At the end of the day, Hololive is the most competent out there

>>68830823
>Never trust a corporation!

>>68830320
You mean filtering normalfags is a bad thing?

>>68830882
>>68830378
>talk about numbers constantly
>talk about stocks growing constantly
>talk about how many people are watching streams constantly
>lol who cares if everyone thinks we're evil and they stop watching xD
bruh

>>68831009
What kind of retarded mental gymnastics are you on you baffling niggerfaggot?
Why would you want anyone's of those dramanigger's audiences to even glance at Hololive

>>68831104
You missed the point but considering you're a retard it's not surprising. Don't overexert your mental capacity tranny.

>>68831009
>>talk about numbers constantly
>>talk about stocks growing constantly
>>talk about how many people are watching streams constantly
this but Hololive, its almost like both the CCPsanji and Hololive are not charities and only exist now to please investors

>>68831188
>anons says normalfag get out
>your retarded ass equate that to them being numbernigs
Truly some kind of inbred ape.

>>68831324
Like I said tranny, just like you will never be a woman, you are unable to grasp reality. If you tell the world company bad, people will stop watching. When you are obsessed with numbers and you absolutely are, saying you want people to stop watching just makes you a fucking moron. Don't reply to me again troon.

Japanese corpos are run by spiteful autistics. Nintendo is one of the worst

>>68830320
I agree with this title everyone should go independent.

>>68831412
>if you tell the world company bad, people will stop watching
a bunch of dramafaggot vids full of people who don't care to begin with and will move to the next internet drama
>When you are obsessed with numbers and you absolutely are
My Oshi never cared for numbers and neither am i
>Don't reply to me again troon.
Calling people trannies when you're here pissing yourself over some inconsequential shit is kind of ironic you sad fag lol

>>68831412
>if you tell people who don't watch vtubers to not watch vtubers then they'll stop watching vtubers
bwahahaha

>>68830320
>Niji bad = Corpos bad
Yes. What other corpos are there?

>>68832380
Phase and Idol

>>68832498
Point proven

>>68830320
SELEN STFU
JUST STREAM WITHOUT DRAMA
YOU HAVE NUMBERS ALREADY
JUST MOVE ON
>Getting tired with this NijiBS and this suicidal woman.

>>68832373
Are you stupid? Where do you think vtuber growth comes from? Are you a moron?

>>68831427
Iwata took a paycut for the failure of the Wii U so none of the employees would get laid off. YAGOO did the same when the Taiwan drama happened.

>>68832712
They don't come from dramafaggots videos that's for certain you absolute fucking buffoon
Especially not from some nigga who make drama vids about genshit impact

>>68833017
>they don't come from
Are you dumb? Where do you think they come from? Normies are all over the place. If they hear a company is bad they won't watch it. You're a tranny obsessed with numbers, but you don't want there to be any growth for the company you supposedly like? The fact you don't see the contradiction only confirms how detached from reality you are you ugly greasy trooner.

>>68830320
dont watch that faggot, its that simple

>>68832585
sasuga retardsister

>>68833433
Okay dramanigger
T.VtuberEnjoyerNotADramafagCauseIAlreadyDealingDramaIRL

>>68832498
Who?

>>68830320
Its the price of winning the culture war, hololive is vtubing and vtubing is hololive now

>>68831412
NTA, but the only one who are being fooled by these hacks are people who alredy tought that vtuber (and/or corpo vtubers) are cringe, anyone who actually watch them is aware of how disingenuous these arguments are and calls them out in the comments.
So no, I don't think that this will cause long term problems for Hololive (or other actually decent vtubers corpos)

I watched Critikals take on and he kept saying how all the bad shit Nijisanji did is the norm in Vtuber corps. Which is weird because it's not, idk where he got this info.

>>68834982
Probably Ironlung

>>68834982
Veibae. She's dating one of the OTK founders and Charlie is in with them. They're all in an Austin clique. Veibae obviously doesn't have a clue about japanese vtuber corps either.

>>68830320
Based

>>68830378
Fpbp

>Niji bad = Corpos bad
yeah? are you retarded?

>>68835149
I can believe that. I doubt mouse would shit talk other corps.Veibae has done so, publicly too.

>>68830320
Yeah, Mel termination was totally mutual that why she didn't even have the chance to do a goodbye stream.

>>68834982
Wow yeah I wonder who could have told him that.

>>68834982
Regular talent agencies are already awful when it comes to normal and brand deal splits. I assume the vtuber ones are probably just as bad if not worse.

>>68834982
Slandering japan at every opportunity is basically an anglo obsession at this point.

>>68835149
TIL

>>68835425
You don't know the difference between a termination and a graduation, your opinion doesn't matter.

>>68835455
you are ignorant

>>68830320
>description
>discord
>unhinged
not clicking

>>68835921
you do well

>>68835798
Yeah, there's differences. For example terminations aren't mutual.

>>68836143
no one said otherwise,redditor.

>>68835845
Yeah, regular creator orgs are hands-off and actually pretty good these days, while jap corpos are like dinosaurs resurrected from the Machinima age.

>>68836270
thanks for showing that you are a Redditor

ITT: hololives matter shills

So many people are buying this suicide attempt bullshit. She probably lied about that for sympathy. She's broke the rules many times. If you don't want to get fired, don't break the rules. It's that simple

>>68830320
The dude on that video mentioned Hololive once and it was literally "The two biggest corpos are Hololive and Nijisanji" that's it.

By the way, they kept making a point about how she was gone for a month with silence. 1 month? That's it. Gura was gone for like 3 months and her or Cover didn't say anything. This guy acting like 1 month is some big deal. Wonder what he would think about 3 months

>>68830320
Nip corpo=bad unless you suck your boss so hard to stay relevant

>>68836589
>>68836684

Japanese corpos like Hololive usually compensate for the bad with good, like a substantial amount of growth or opportunities. That's what people screaming "Pomu would HATE Hololive, why would she jump ship from one evil Japanese corp to another?" miss: Hololive actually has a vested interest in giving all of their talents great opportunities. Nijisanji will cut corners anywhere and everywhere at the expense of their public image.

>>68836684
One of the many mistakes Nijisanji PR did is telling us that they were in contact with her emergency contact, which tell us that at the very least she was in the hospital.

Corpos ARE bad. /vt/ has always been uniquely retarded on this site for being one of the few boards that felates a single company this fucking hard.

>>68836803
Gura taking long breaks isn't anything new, doofus

>>68837242
Nah, you're just an idiot who can't differentiate good from the bad.

>>68837242
What's bad about hololive from the point of view of the talent?

>>68835425
Holokeks in shambles

>>68835468
They need a 3rd nuke

I predicted the dead of vtubing in the west because of politics and twitter trannies
Soon there will be only twitch thots using avatars for no reason at all and only a few wholesome 3view indies
Americans are too individualistic

>>68836684
Still coping sis? Stop sucking your black company

>>68830320
>Nijisanji is bad because they are absolutely incompetent and malicious. Not all japanese vtuber agencies are like this.
Nijisanji management is far worse but that doesn't mean that Hololive never had any issues. Several of the HoloEN talents have told viewers that 2022 was a horrible year and they had to wear fake smiles. The mysterious radio silent health breaks, Sana's "graduation", and the replacement of the EN project manager were more than random coincidences.

>>68837242
and then when you call that out they insist that "no it's the rest of 4chan and everyone else who is wrong. Nowhere else on this website acts like this it's laughable

>>68837242
/v/ fellates Nintendo and few others on a daily basis

>>68830320
What's the opposite of "rising tide raises all ships"? That's Nijisanji.

>>68837414
>what's bad about needing permissions to do simple shit like play a fucking video game or sing a song
See this is what I mean, you're too brain damaged

>>68837414
Perms are objectively bad. Even if it's not the end of the world, it's an extra hurdle HoloEN has to deal with that prevents them from being able to grow like normal content creators do.

>Nijisisters trying to drag Hololive with them and failing spectacularly
Love to see it.

>>68830320
what is wrong with his statement? it's 100% true, never trust corporation, in the end they are profit driven entity that disregards anything but said profit, Anycolor is the prime example cause they are literally "cartoon villain" like bad, but Cover is not a saint either.

>>68838274
>actually bootlicking perms
>thinking perms are a Nijisanji only thing
?

>>68831009
The numberchad lives rent free in NDF's heads

>>68836589
I never understood why people keep posting this image like it's a bad thing

>>68837242
Holofags are tendies. The sooner you understand this the earlier you'll realize why they love corpo cock so much.
They think they're fighting the culture war for le good guys while closing their eyes every time something pozzed comes from their beloved corpo.

>>68839049
Case in point >>68838969

>>68837242
It really is embarassing how this board worships Cover as a company. Its the talent that makes the company, but people here would have you believe its the other way around. Just because Niji is trash it doesn't mean you should defend Cover like you're being paid to do so. They're a company, not your friend.

>>68838394
Was talking about the whole thread, didn't even know you existed till now sister, keep seething ;)

>>68834982
>>68835149
It's literally in their interest to shit on other corporations that aren't owned by their handlers

All the people hopping on to 4chan right to own le ebul corpos have a very peculiar mid-wit writing style. Curious culture and hobby destroyers.

Americucks and chinks ruin everything

>>68836684
Black company chases their victim and is infuriated they can only reach their emergency contact. How do we know? Because the company is retarded, how is that a fault.

>>68839223
wait are people so retarded they didn't know every major influencer has handlers? They thougt the streamer really did it all by themselves with grit and internet?

Niji's shit
Holo's good
Simple as'
Not reading that thread or watching that nig's vid lol

>>68833099
>worried that normies wont watch
Good
>but you numberfag
No, you assumed that shit, faggot. Anons arent actually a hivemind you absolute buffoon of a tourist

>>68839150
They're gaslit into believing you can't grow or make special opportunities without being shackled to a corporation that fully owns you.

>>68839150
Holy shit COVER is paying people to defend them? Where's my paycheck then?

>>68837902
Good thing hololive purged the problem in the EN sphere. Pity Niji refuses to do the same and denies any wrong doing when their shit is still obvious.

>>68839150
>Its the talent that makes the company
Yes and no. How many people were watching that talent before they joined?

>>68837242
what's your honest opinion on vshitshow?

>>68830320
>Join for unhinged anonymous
so wacky XDDD

>>68839150
>Its the talent that makes the company, but people here would have you believe its the other way around.
True and most holofag don't hesitate to shit on cover and management whenever they fuck up
>doesn't mean you should defend Cover
defend from what dipshit, the only defense i'm seeing here is people saying
Niji =/= Holo
Dumb faggot

>>68839150
Cover at least reinvests in all their talents instead of their top performers.

>>68838155
wym hurdle to growth? hololive chuubas are incomparably bigger on average than indies

>>68839150
lmao nijisisters are way more apparent here than out in normalspace where theyre getting their asses creamed

Work on your optics nijisister and maybe you wont get shat on as often as you do

>>68839498
Pick an actual indie and repost instead of one of asmons employees

>>68839498
she works under this >>68839223 with asmon you idiot

Never forget that the perm stuff got this bad in Hololive because of filthy Nijiniggers
Also all the fucking twitchfaggot ITT pretending that their wave riding imposters are true indies when they're all owned to shit
lol
lmap

>>68837242
Lol newfag

>>68839665
>>68839790
Didn't specify indies
>without being shackled to a corporation that fully owns you.
Try again

>>68837902
>Sana's "graduation
That woman quit because she liked being an artist.

>>68830320
I saw that Charlie make that 'Niji bad therefore all corpos are like this' comparison too. It's such a basic fallacy to make that kind of statement I usually expect more from him.

>>68839981
This is why everyone hates the fans of this company.

>>68839887
This

>>68839395
Yes

>>68839150
I don't remember you in Ame's chat before she joined hololive faggot.

>>68839887
It's bad because it's in Japan, hope that helps.

>>68840095
Oops! >:)

>>68840095
>I usually expect more from him.
These are the people spamming these threads, people who watch these fleshtuber drama channels

>>68839887
Remember, TND.

This is like some gay ass french revolution shit
Twitter commies are going too far
People are too easy to manipulate, kids on twitter are especially bad, but /vt/ autists are no different
>Muh corpo bad
next thing you know, industry is dead and all you have are indies acting like basic twitch whores because wholesome chuubas can't thrive in a thot market

>>68840723
??

>>68840549
>>68835452
Is veibae really that much of a menace? Shylily is close to tectone and asmongold as well. What about fucking nyanners? There's a whole rogues gallery of anti corpo vtubers in that clique.

>>68834982
You dumbfucks think that Critical is getting info from Vei out of all people. You know he is friends with Nux right?

>>68834982
Terrible revenue cuts, the company owning your IP and unilaterally being able to rugpull it from you, and permissions autism are actually the norm in all Japanese vtuber corps. You should have listened to Kson.

>>68830320
based, fuck corpos. long live the Doki Revolution!

>>68840807
Basically Nijisanji and Hololive both operated the same way, not bothering with permissions and instead using the assumption that their content was protected under derivative works.
Nijisanji secured a big business partnership with Sony, and by extension protected most of their content legally.
Nijisanji proceeded to contact a bunch of companies under the Sony umbrella directly with legal complaints about hololive using their content.
Said companies flooded Holo channels with copyright strikes all at once, triggering automated suspension for about half the company
Hololive was forced to scramble to purge most of their archived content, lost a huge amount of market share from the algorithm blowback and has been stuck with permissions autism ever since to protect themselves legally.
Sony's relationship with Hololive has improved since (basically after Myth blew up) but affiliates continue to hawkishly monitor hololive content and especially music and influences a lot of Hololive's current policies

It's a classic japanese business move, where a company attempts to corner a competitive or emerging market by signing a deal with a conglomerate and then using that conglomerate's legal resources to prey on its competition for things it was also guilty of in an extensive SLAPP campaign. While it failed to kill Hololive it gave Nijisanji essentially a monopoly on the japanese vtuber market for years.

>>68840978
Nyanners is under Mythic with Asmongold, Silvervale, Shylily, Vei, Yuniiho, Fillian, Fefe, Camila, and Chibidoki.

Most of the anti-corpo vtubers are under Mythic.

>>68841313
>terrible revenue cuts
>also makes you a millionaire in a few months
>company owning your ip
>the ip the company pays for you and gets a famous mangaka who often doesn't do commissions at all, to create the model for you with the best riggers in the industry that you don't pay a dime for
>permissions autism
>needed because of niji retardation and because of Japans retarded ass backwards company and IP protection laws
Wow it's like you're a fucking dumb chump.

>>68841593
>to create the model for you with the best riggers in the industry that you don't pay a dime for
>best riggers
Hah. lmao even

>>68841515
I didn't know they had stopped watching videos for a month, thanks for the summary

>>68838010
How is that the company's fault? Do you even know why perms are a thing in the first place?

>>68841528
Til

>>68841313
>Terrible revenue cuts
My Oshi went from living with her parents to
Leaving alone
Getting a workspace at home
Getting a beefy PC
Getting her driving license
Able to travel
All the while still supporting her family
The holo girls make more money than you ever will, why do you think there are so little graduations in hololive compared to literally every other places?

>>68841911
Here's the list, there's probably a lot of your favorite creators under them: https://www.mythictalent.com/creators

You can filter by vtuber if you want.

>>68841886
It's a Japanese company. No amount of
>but Nijisanji autists
Is going to change that.

>>68841593
>makes you a millionaire in a few months
...

>>68841822
I love how it's the only point you were able to refute.

>>68841949
Yeah and Selen made 200k a year with 1.5k average ccv, what's your point?

>>68841970
Read this
>>68841515

>>68841970
And yet Hololive and the Holo girls are more successful than the rest be it other corpos or your fucking twitch whore
But keep on seething i'll have a blast cheering for my Oshi at the fest while you watch some twitch thot pretending she gives a shit about video games lol
>>68842103
*Selen lost 200K as she admitted she made 0 profits
FTFY

>>68841593
>pigeonholing famous mangaka into the chara design role over dedicated artists
money-wasting hype stunt nijiJP have better designs anyway

>>68842080
I think he was just laughing at what he thought was the dumbest part of your post. For me it was instant millionaire part.

>>68842195
I'm not even a Nijisanji fag I am simply pointing out that you're retarded for simping for a company that exists in a country where you need permission to play games.
>>68842138
I did, and the fact that you think this is a vtuber only phenomenon and not a Japanese company phenomenon tells me all I need to know about you and your terminal retardation.

>>68842080
I didn't refute it, I laughed at it. It's so stupid that I'm not going bother with the rest of it. Anyone that's that dumb doesn't deserve a real response.

>>68842103
2.8k average for 2023.

>>68842204
He didn't say it was an instant, but several months. Maybe I don't think he meant a literal millionaire.

>>68841822
>>68841992
>>68842199
Nijisisters seethe at the truth.

>>68842279
Newfag

>>68842366
A millionyenaire maybe

>>68842289

>>68837414
>What's bad about hololive from the point of view of the talent?
Cover might give them a vtuber design they absolutely hate, NDA severely limits what they can say, they don't own any of the IP, management decides on how their character is marketed, and if they leave or get fired than Cover gets to decide on the official explanation for their graduation.

>>68842438
Kek nice one

>>68842481
woah woah no need to doxx yourself like this

>>68842527
>Cover might give them a design they hate
https://youtu.be/1o9RhSlEIMM?t=565

>>68842581
>no u

>>68842080
You accepted that as a refutation pretty quick, do you normally get laughed at when you make arguments? Is this just the way life is for you?

>>68842951
Do you realize that I am another anon of the first one?seething newfag

>>68839150
educate yourself
>>68839223

>>68842951
It's not a refutation it's your opinion.

>>68830320
He sounds like he's having a manic episode.

>>68842279
>I'm not even a Nijisanji fag I am simply pointing out that you're retarded for simping for a company that exists in a country where you need permission to play games.
And even with the mandated perms they're doing better than any of your indies shit stains LMFAO

As long as they treat my Oshi correctly i don't see any reason to shit myself, couldn't give less of a shit about the company in itself
You're just mad people just don't go "lecompany is lebad"
Niji is trash
Twitch is cancer
A plethora of small western corpos are just filled with insane drama
Hololive is doing okay and they've been doing good for years, the girls are happy, they get to experience shit your retarded ass will never and they mog the entire competition without acknowledging their existence

most sane holotourist btw

>>68843423
Go back to r*ddit

>>68839887
Based.

>>68830320
Japanese corporations are inherently bad.
Yes. This includes hololive
>B-but
Hololive has consistently denied things to the en branch and id branch that JPs with smaller audiences have gotten. Kiara has brought up multiple times that en aren't allowed studio time outside of the debuts and the rare special events. Solo lives are something that will never happen for the majority of the branch and they just have to deal with that. They're also not given a ton of freedom with the avatar and certain redesign ideas are shot down. creative projects are frowned upon and shot down, just ask ame.

And when you graduate, hololive won't even let you disclose that you previously worked for them. Imagine any other entertainment industry being like
>Yeah it was because of you that we ended up being successful but we also don't want people following you when you leave so we've hidden your name everywhere and won't give you any money for anything we might profit off of post departure

>>68844061
Not reading all that drivel nijiyeasty

>>68844061
Tldr this dude is a seething ligger or phasefag ignore him.

>>68836589
>hololives matter
KEK

>>68839049
Troon ligger spotted.

>>68839150
They always say they watch for their oshi but they always abandon anyone who leaves to be forgotten.

>>68844159
Kek based
>>68844223
Lmao

>>68844303
proof?

>>68844357
Kson, Mike, Delta, Mel.
They're happy to celebrate them for leaving and say hololive is better off without them.
Without fail every single time.

>>68844152
>>68844159
I get it. English is probably not your guys first language. Might be tough to read more than 10 words.....

>>68837745
The 3rd nuke should hit either New York, los transgeles or londonistan

>>68842103
She is retarded and should had left earlier of she was aiming for big things with just scraps.

What games are all these indies playing that people from Hololive and Nijisanji aren't thanks to permissions? 99% of them play the same stuff - minecraft, Apex, the latest AAA releases, and trendy multiplayer games. The only people who break from that are the ones dedicated to retro games. Or you have people who sink to doing react content like Pikamee and Coco. Just look at Selen, she keeps going on about her new freedom and the only thing she can come up with that she wasn't allowed to play previously is garbage no one even wants to watch like neopets.

>>68844441
>Kson
People didn't like how she trashed corpo just to join one a year later, she still has a fanbase that followed her from holo
>Mike
Do I really need to explain why people act the way they act about her?
>Delta
Was in holo for an entire week, people still wish she didn't have to leave, and she's doing more than fine as an indie
>Mel
No one celebrated her leaving, not even the company

Unless you're conflating a handful of shitters and falseflaggers as the entire community, which obviously you're doing since you yourself have an agenda

>>68844441
This
>M-mel deserved it for breaking NDA somehow...
>Kson?? You mean "TALENT FREEDOM?" REEEE

>>68844479
It's '...'
'.....' Doesn't make sense.

>>68844061
Retardchama, they literally changed their policy about the studio time shit a while back, it's now a 3D live per person per year, either for anniversaries or birthdays
Sololive are different, not all the girls want it for one and there is a lot of money put into it
And since the travel ban was lifted we've seen a whole lot of ENs participating in most of the shit that require a studio
Not to even mentioned they got their own EN concert last year
Lurk 2 thousands more years retard

>>68844652
>somehow...
she admitted that she did it, moron

>>68844441
>Kson
act like a dumb bitch
>Mike
LOL LMAO
>Delta
Most of delta's fans are holofags, and let's not forget that nijinigs are responsible for what happened
>Mel
Nobody celebrated Mel getting terminated

>>68844605
Kson didn't even trash the company she literally just said that she had a very good contract and lots of freedom.
Kson has gotten sponsorships that she doesn't have to share a % of the earnings from, has had the opportunity to play a character in two different Yakuza games a series she's always loved, can play whatever she wants to on stream, and doesn't have to share superchat or bit revenue with vshojo. She also has merch that she doesn't have to pay to make and gets over 50% of the revenue from. According to Fauna, merch is often worth less than superchats which automatically have 30% taken from them thanks to YouTube.

Coco spent her last year in hololive in the cuck corner where she wasn't allowed to interact with other members of hololive including the en members who she was partially responsible for after her English speaking videos blew up.
She had antis promoted to moderator status and she had to fight to get people unbanned from her channel, all while she was begging cover to please let her hire mods.
Post graduation, cover made her roommate and best friend of several years leave because they were worried about potential NDA violations

>>68844061
This retard is living in 2021

>>68844441
>delta
>bullied by nijisanji fans primarily
>dox and threaten to kill her at her home
>family totally in shambles when they already hate delu
>cover meanwhile offers not only to pay any legal costs
>offers to rehome her and her family and cover all costs
>gives her a free ticket to come back whenever she likes and take as much time as possible that she needs
>nepolabo STILL have aloe mentions and dolls in their artwork and backgrounds
This isn't the own you think it is.

>>68842279
You don't need perms to play game, you need perms to show monetized gameplay. Know the difference.

>>68845381
>Kson didn't even trash the company
he was not talking about vshitshow
>According to Fauna, merch is often worth less than superchats
you're full of shit, almost all the girls mentioned how they get the most out of merch sales above all else

degenerate ligger do be totally brainded

>>68845381
Kson is the most valid of those examples, and people did shit on cover for their treatment of her. Even then, she still has a very large audience and is generally beloved by the holo fans outside of this place, so it's not like everyone abandoned her when she left.
Lumping her situation with the other 3 just shows how dishonest that anon was.

>>68845072
Kiara literally said post birthday
>No the birthday is not what I was talking about
Also while we're talking about the concert, Mori herself talked about how the concert was disappointing because despite being pre recorded they still managed to fuck it up. The camera operator refused to listen to her and missed a huge chunk of Kiaras performance.
You also have the problem where there are times where a 3D event for en is literally a skin walker and maybe 1 actual member

>>68845381
This entire post is not only wrong but also retarded.

>>68845412
Yeah I really loved Ames creative projects and streams she did in 2023, Kiara totally didn't just say like 3 months ago that cover denied her request for studio time or anything like that!
I love licking boots!!!

>>68845625
>just makes shit up
Liggers are not sending their best.

>>68845476
You need both fucking retard

>>68845519
https://streamable.com/0nwjfv
This is probably a deep fake then, right?

>>68845655
NTA but looks about right to me

>>68845723
Proof next thread I'm sure

>>68845817
NTA but looks totally made up to me

>>68845872
Pick something out that's wrong with it

>>68845949
All of it.

>>68845703
You can literally find the Twitter space and following tweets where she talked about the 3d problems and you can also find re-uploaded clips from moris stream where she said how disappointed she was because she literally told the cameraman to make sure he got Kiara in a certain shot because she'd been working on a dance move that was really cool and wanted to show off but the cameraman completely missed it.

>>68845966
So you're really new and weren't here when she was in hololive. Welcome.

>>68845949
Ligger hands typed it.

>>68845997
Nah can't find it. Looks like you made it up.

All japanese corps have this issue and hololive is not exempt because it is hololive. The way japanese corps function allows middle management to become petty tyrants in a way that makes western corps blush, and because of senority they can often only be checked and corrected by people who never actually interact with that level of the company. The ONE thing hololive has going for it right now is that yagoo himself, when he gets involved, is a positive influence, but even then he cant be everywhere all the time and despite the company's growth they often still expect him to. As hololive gets bigger and yagoo is stretched thinner, and god forbid when he retires and is replaced with the Three Heads of staff3 (most senior remaining worker) and Achan and his actual named replacement and theyre all stepping on each others toes, the company is going to flounder.

>>68846034
I was here. Cover didn't make them move out of their apartment you stupid ligger faggot. Laplus literally lives with another vtuber girl.

>>68845812
>merch goes farther than superchats
>sometimes it does
>it depends on the merch
So it's true then? Why post a clip that disproves what you claimed?

>>68837242
there are good corpos, they are rare but they do exist
see valve/steam for example

>>68846085
Yagoo is immortal.

>>68846085
I noticed something, when it comes to Japanese companies, more than half of people there just simply don't want to work/put bare minimum effort

>>68846146
>see valve/steam for example
Fuck you, I was about to bring up the same example. The closest thing to Yagoo's worship is Gaben's worship. Comparing Cover to Anykara is as retarded as comparing Valve to EA.

>>68846100
Not a ligger and yes they did as soon as she joined vshojo.

>>68846454
Show me what evidence you have that Cover made her move out. Don't worry I'll wait.

>>68846144
Is English not your first language. Lemme help you out.
In English, the phrase "only sometimes" means that it doesn't happen very often, meaning that in this case when she says "merch goes further than superchats ONLY SOMETIMES" she's stating that merch is often worth less than superchats

>>68846628
>infers something she didn't say
Holy shit ESL liggers literally making up fanfiction in their heads about simple English sentences they don't understand.
>it means
Buttblasted

>>68846267
It's because the companies wear you down. They want things done the same way they've been done for countless years and will not budge on their ideas.
Even if there is a more efficient way of doing some, Japan would rather you take extra time to do things the traditional way than come up with a better solution. The long work hours, awful managers and overall inefficiency are awful to work with

>>68846779
Anon. Google isn't blocked in your country, right? You're free to look up what the phrase "only sometimes" means.

>>68846779
He's right and you're retarded. Can't even master 1 language.

>>68846628
>>68846999
>>68846956
>she's stating it's often
Wrong. I love seeing mexicans who can't understand english.

>>68846267
The only thing that counts in JP corporations is your participation time and seniority; why do anything beyond the perceivable minimum?

>>68830378
>Normal
Normalfags gossip about normalfag celebrities like famous Hollywood actors and singers not about Vtubers

>>68847194
go back to plebbit retard.

>>68846085
Today I'll remind them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eykn1JYNOaE

>>68846999
>>68846956
>only sometimes = rarely
No. Only sometimes is a misnomer. Only is exclusionary. Only sometimes doesn't mean anything more than "sometimes". If she had said "rarely" or "not often" or "often" it would indicate frequency. "Only sometimes" is a flair of the sentence. It doesn't indicate anything in the sentence other than "something" happening in the exclusionary sense. IE: only sometimes = its always sometimes. It doesn't mean rarely sometimes. Or not often.
So actually you're both wrong.
t. english major.

>>68839517
Your reading comprehension reps, corpodrone.

>>68847418
Are ok little buddy? The fact that you use normie instead normalfag is interesting though.

>>68847589
No because it's a reaction to a direct question about a specific subject. Good luck on your grades.

>>68839549
Aqua had more viewers before she joined holo than right after. Hololive became popular only because of the OG talents grinding and working their ass off like crazy. I wish Cover staff and fans like (You) understood and respected that.

>>68839517
>Holy shit COVER is paying people to defend them?
No, even worse, bootlickers defend COVER for free!

>>68846146
Imo, Cover is too young and hasn't made enough historical contributions to be considered on the same level as Valve.
If Cover dropped the proprietary Hololive app and embraced Vtube Studio while contributing dev time to it like Valve has done with Proton and Linux, then things would be closer.

>>68847925
Learn some new fucking words. Arguing on the internet is so fucking retarded, all it devolves into is shit flinging, buzzwords and NO UUUUU.

>>68841313
I don't see why people get so upset about the "not owning the IP" thing. It's not like they are taking ownership of the actress like some people try to frame it. Vtuber agencies create a character and hire someone to play that character for them, it's a completely different dynamic from normal streaming, or even independent vtubing. It's like complaining that Harrison Ford doesn't own the character Indiana Jones or some shit, and when you're done, you can make a new character with all the money you made playing someone else's IP and do your own thing, with a massive bump in relevance.

>>68848942
I didn't say no. I said yes and no.

>>68848718
>reaction to a direct question
Sounds like you're coping. The answer is in clear english and how it's structured is as I've said. Just sounds like you don't understand English. That's okay. But try not to be mad about it.

Most of the people posting the
>COVER BAD
stuff are Phase Connect shills. One of the worst corpos around, talents are shit and the worst fanbase that consists primarily of greasy skinny fat 30 something 40k loser nobodies.

Which corpo has the most beautiful, rich and popular fanbase.

>>68841513
>That avatar
Isn't that guy a big KFP?

>>68849387
Yeah, I am. I expected someone to be able to read when they can't even understand the context of a 30 second clip as well as the sentences that directly happen after "only sometimes." I guess you really are a LA major.

>>68830378
FPBP, normies will always hate vtubers even if they are hypocritical flesh streamer watchers themselves. Try start a conversation and watch them become hostile towards you, thinking vtubers are beneath them.
Right now, they are only jumping on the current drama bandwagon to shit on vtubers with the excuse of pretending to care about them but sooner or later they will turn on them. That how these twitter/whateverfags outside are.

>>68849331
Yeah, but Harrison Ford can still talk about how he played Indiana Jones. He's not under an NDA preventing him from talking about it, and there's no weird taboo among fans when it comes to discussing that he played Indiana Jones in the past.

>people mad at cover even if they don't watch holo seething at people defending Holo because they watch holo
The thread. Why liggers are so mad about a thing they don't even watch lol, is it inferiority complex or some shit like that?

>>68851302
>coping?
>yeh
lol

>>68849331
>make music as corpo vtuber
>leave
>you don't own that music anymore
is this okay to you

>>68852243
Doki has pretty much completely killed that taboo. Nobody cares anymore.

>>68852521
You realize that most musicians don't own their music, right? This is all extremely standard entertainment industry stuff. It was a massive fucking deal when Taylor Swift bought the rights to her music, because of how unprecedented it was.

>>68852521
Liggers are retarded.

>>68852655
a musician releasing songs under a record label still has their finger on their own creation even if the label does other shit with it. a vtuber does not own anything once they leave. it's different
>>68852819
if me being a ligger calms your schizophrenia then keep calling me that

>>68853404
Yes, you're retarded. Do you realize that most vtubers don't create their songs? All they do is sing.

You guys have to admit it is pretty funny Cover is catching strays over a discussion they aren't part of.

>>68853637
>general statement about talent-owning corporations not being your friends, no matter how benign
>fans of one company make it all about themselves, attacking everyone else in defense
*sigh*

>>68852553
Maybe, or maybe she’ll prove to be the exception. Honestly I think it’s fair for a corpo vtuber to not be allowed to talk about their past when they’re in, just cause they’re meant to keep a level of immersion, but as indies I don’t see why they shouldn’t be able to talk about who they were, it’s already over. I guess there’s the concern of ruining the magic of the character post graduation, but it was still their content, it should be up to them how they talk about it.

Though on that first point, you could also argue that they break character plenty already, immortal gods talking about parents and childhood and such

>>68853637
It's funny until you realize that there are morons who use this site and think this ironically.

>>68830320
HDF already damage controlling I see

>>68853824
Why is it good when she says she's not my friend, but when the company she works for says the same thing, suddenly it's bad?

>>68846530
nta
>I don't watch kanata
>I don't watch Coco/kson
why do you talk about something you don't know?

>>68853999

>>68854035
So you don't have evidence?
pathetic

>>68853404
It's either ligger or phasekek. Pick your poison, both of them are cancer.

Cover is just as bad. yes I have a holo oshi. no I don't watch anyone else

>>68853569
Anon, I'm gonna expose a huge secret, are you ready?
Most artists use ghost writers, from metal, to pop, to rap and everything in-between. Several of the hits you hear aren't written by the musicians themselves. Before you go
>doesn't count!!
Here's the original version of Toxic, ya know , one of Britney Spears biggest hits?
https://youtu.be/S7dk9DXFrwk

That's right, the entire song was recorded first by a ghost singer and later Britney recorded her vocals on top of it, this is oftentimes the same thing that happens in the music industry.
Imagine being an artist and losing access to monetize and perform songs you previously did because you switched labels.

>>68837414
We don't know, is the point. Hence a position of default distrust and siding with talent over boardrooms - it's not that radical is it

>>68854213
I have them but they will be deleted.
kanata made a members-only stream where he talked about ¨friend C¨ and kson gave a members-only written statement about ¨Pajako¨.
the only pathetic one is you, tourist.

>>68854591
>Most artists use ghost writers
Does it matter? you literally changed the subject because you were losing.They don't do anything for the song, they just sing

>>68854825
>doxnigger
It's pathetic that you think people will believe you without proof,newfag

>>68854700
It is, you hate an entire industry based on nothing.

>>68854911
Real artists:
>Don't write their songs
>Have backing singers perform the song first so they can record over that
>Often have lead singers who are incapable of playing instruments
Vtubers:
>Don't write their own songs
>Have backup vocalists sing the song first
>Often times are incapable of playing instruments

You:
>I don't see how this is relevant all vtubers do is perform the song
Retard.

>>68854911
that anon isn't even me. but sure go ahead and deepthroat that corpo boot harder, it's a cute look on you. vtubers should own nothing

>>68855062
>pa...pathetic PATHETIC

>>68854591
>Comparing Holo vtubers to western singers instead of Idols.
What a fucking ignorant retard, I share the board with faggots like this every single day. Please bring back holo to jp and move the rest to trash.

The problem with hololive is exactly the thing you retards praising it over. The bitches got it too good and can afford coasting around on minimal effort, and you seem to forget that they are not your friends, but entertainers. Out of myth only Kiara preserved any semblance of work ethic, council half a foot there, enjoy Advent while you still can.
Oh well, mascot factory will drop new toys in a few months, meanwhile you even get some crumbs like a concert twice a year or an hour long merch commercial from someone you took interest in. Vtubing should have never gone mainstream.

>>68855312
If they do all that, they are not real artists.

>>68855420
Yes

>>68855399
Ok,reddit.

>>68855535
The idol industry is full of the same problem where you are expected to own nothing and be happy about it. There's a reason why idol shit in the West is still controversial because a lot of people think that owning the rights to things that you perform and are responsible for making, is a good thing.

If you personally don't believe that, That's fine. But personally I'm of the belief and that if you are largely responsible for an identity becoming popular and have paid for and recorded things like songs, you should own the rights to those songs even if you recorded them under a different label/manager / whatever.

>>68856134
Don't act like you're an oldfag when you only see EN.

>>68856333
no one cares about your opinion

>>68856139
Congratulations, youve literally discovered the music industry. And it's been like this for several decades and it's not going to change any time soon. But, on the same hand, it is largely due to the singers and performers who perform the songs that the song ends up blowing up. As you can see by the demo that I posted earlier, it has less than a 10th of the views Britney Spears does even though it's largely the same song.
It thanks the extra little touch ups that the artist who performed the final version of the song did that the song ended up getting popular, this is the same way that every song that has Ghost writers, producers and performers is. Take somebody like Dr Dre for instance, his flow and his style are very unique to him, while he used people to help write lyrics and beats and etc, his flow combined with everything else is what makes the song work.

>>68856333
You don't know shit about idols, stop.

>>68856447
All right, would you be okay paying for stuff that I did not do, would you be okay if you made a massive thing, like This thing blows up and has made several hundred thousand dollars within the first couple of weeks, would you be okay if you did not get any of that money because shortly before it blew up, you end up leaving the group that helped make it blow up? Would you be okay if even though you were largely responsible for the reason that blew up, nobody would be able to know your name nobody would be able to find where you went after you left, at least not with ease and would you be okay knowing that you will never get the rights to the thing that blew up or credited for it?

>>68856673
You're crazy if you think I'm going to read all that, what you say is literally off-topic.

hololive did nothing wrong

>>68857437
Why do seamonkeys boast about their inability to read English????
Lemme make it shorter so I don't fry your brain.

Performers make the music good, performers make music big, performers get big recognition because they're performers, Even if performer use ghosts, performer still make song go big.

>>68857936
You're a Redditor, you change the topic completely and hope people listen to you.

>>68830320
Blame asmongold, he was shitting on hololive hard saying them and the rest of the japanese corporations are on a spectrum of problematic, all while he owns OTK and Mythic Entertainment, a competitor streamer organization who has done shitty things to it's own talents before, like terminating Rich Campbell's contract after an ex of his said he had a pregnancy fetish

asmongold has repeatedly said many times that japanese companies are shitty and that some cultures are inferior to others, this is a very clear case of racism and corporate sabotage since he is using his platform to bad mouth his competitors

>>68830320
Niji and Cover are pretty much identical with the rules and red tape. The difference is how they treat their talents and audience. Niji is ran by MBA's who know neither respect nor understand either but exist to maximize profits. Cover is run by idolfags who respect and understand both, but still apply the same rules as niji. Cover is also much more competent and reviewing material so that no controversial content is distributed. That's the difference.

>>68858290
>like terminating Rich Campbell's contract after an ex of his said he had a pregnancy fetish
That's not entirely accurate. Rich raped someone. She told him not to fuck her without a condom and he took it off and came inside her while she was telling him no. I think he's lawyered up though which is smart but there's a bit more to it. This is from someone who thinks asmongold is a fraud.

>>68858430
>That's not entirely accurate. Rich raped someone
that's a lie, you are repeating a lie and it's why he's suing her
>She told him not to fuck her without a condom and he took it off and came inside her while she was telling him no
that's not what rape is, calling someone a rapist for having a pregnancy fetish when they are drunk is huge defamation, criminal

>>68858430
Rich was too drunk to consent, if anything she was raping him you twat

>>68858076
>Several artists in the music industry do not do anything other than perform the songs that they paid to have written and produced
>Vtubers do not do anything outside of perform the songs they paid to have written and produced
Artists in the music industry
> keep full rights to their songs
Vtubers
>Keep no rights

>"YOU CHANGED THE TOPIC!!!"
this is your brain on pagpag.

>>68858622
I should have said allegedly. But it's not just
>they fired him because he had a pregnancy fetish
C'mon.
>that's not rape
It is in the state where it happened.

>>68858622
Sup Rich. Don't rape women and you wouldn't be in trouble.

>>68858622
If you are drunk and you have sex, that is rape legally speaking. If you lie to a person about whether or not you have a condom on, that can be perceived as rape and has been many times. There's an entire Wikipedia page about it "Non-consensual condom removal"

>>68858710
it's not, rape by deception did not pass in new york nor texas because it's a nonsense law
>>68858745
i'm not even a rich fan, he was the annoying faggot who whaled in diablo immortal
i am however going to use him to cape against asmongold, who used johnny depp vs amber heard to make money, but shit on his coworker despite there being no actual evidence of wrong doing

>>68859066
Sure I get it about the law. My issue is you said he was fired because he had a pregnancy fetish. That's not true. He was fired because someone accused him of rape.

>>68856333
>There's a reason why idol shit in the West is still controversial because a lot of people think that owning the rights to things that you perform and are responsible for making, is a good thing.
Which is funny because most Western artists don't own the rights to the songs they perform. Record labels being predatory is music education 101 so it's funny to see people like you get on a high horse and act like them yellow savages are somehow inferior.

>>68858699
Yes, you did it.

>>68858859
where it took place rape by deception is not a law, invalidating the entire claim
it was bullshit, man was drunk, she wasn't, he couldn't consent, he could barely be conscious
asmon didn't stand by his friend despite having these lofty ideals about waiting for the evidence

he's scum and im not surprised the /vt/ crowd is sucking him off, he made money off hololive and is shitting on them constantly, you people make me sick

why is there fleshtuber drama discussed in here

>>68830378
yeah but moralfags are emboldened to engage. homobeggars are a symptom of twitter-types watching drama grifter channels saying things like idol culture bad, hololive bad, anime bad.

>>68859066
>shit on his coworker despite there being no actual evidence of wrong doing
I mean there's no evidence Selen tried to commit suicide other than her word. Yet everyone assumes she did. Curious...

>>68859134
>My issue is you said he was fired because he had a pregnancy fetish. That's not true. He was fired because someone accused him of rape
you cannot accuse someone of a crime from some other place, he didn't commit a crime
rape is a criminal act, it's a lie, fictitious

you're a liar, this is who you've become
you've derailed the thread to cape asmongold when he committed wrongdoing, you are a low IQ individual who understands bare minimum misinfo to just be a shitposter that no one should listen to

>>68830320
Vtubers starting to understand they dont need corpos likemusicians finally understood a few years ago that you dont need music labels is bad how ?

>>68859474
Because if there are no vtuber companies who will pay me to shill here?

>>68859386
i never said that, in fact i've brought this up with my gf that everyone is assuming she tried to commit suicide but even doki's own words are just
>made an attempt
an attempt could be a lot of things, she could have attempted to disappear, who knows, there's an intentional lack of info here, probably because of doxx potential

>>68859591
medical records are not doxxable

>>68837902
All you did was point out how much better Cover is

>>68859418
>you cannot accuse someone of a crime from some other place, he didn't commit a crime
You sound schizophrenic. I'm just stating the fact he was accused of rape. What are you talking about?

>>68830320
All corpos are inherently bad, that's just the way things are.
However, Cover is a corporation that actually provides for its team members and treats them like employees rather than expendable cattle the way Anycolor does.

>>68861451
>all corpos bad
>but this corpo doesn't do bad
>all corpos bad

>>68859257
These are what are against corporations: redditors and normalfags

>>68859474
Nope

>>68861451
>Holo might be bad...but Anycolor is worse!
This post feels copypasted, at least 1/3 of the posts in the thread read like this.

>>68837991
I can't tell if you're just being hyperbolic or if you're out of your goddamned mind. /v/ likes Nintendo games and certain people within Nintendo. That isn't the same as them playing apologist for the company's Disney-esque legal bullshit.

>>68862692
That's a lie, they are worse than Disney's lawyers.

>>68864138
For that to be true, they'd have nearly done a complete 180. I don't buy it.

>>68864555
Did you forget the Palworld drama? I can't believe there are people who defend /v/, it's the worst Board on the entire site.

>>68858859
>If you are drunk and you have sex, that is rape legally speaking.
But he was the one who was drunk and she was sober.

>>68830320
This thread aged like milk, OP was 100% right.
I hope the arc trial doesn't end up destroying the industry, Hololive doesn't deserve all this.

Help me lay out the stupidity.

>Includes screenshots that contradict their own termination reason
>self-report to being included on the civil complaint, all but confirming them as the bullies
>claimed that the (sealed) legal document was a threat to doxx them
>the sealed document they shouldn't have access to (unless they are co-defendants, which seems unlikely)

What else am I missing?