/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>68730477
Based.
Hopefully she uses it for good this time.

>>68730477
Based. She's already got enough to do as much as she did last year.

Dokibird Revival Merch
LIMITED Rob a Bank Bundle 200 $135.00 $27,000.00
Rob a Bank Bundle 901 $115.00 $103,615.00
Dokimakura Bodypilow Cover 355 $75.00 $26,625.00
Doki Arcylic Stand 992 $20.00 $19,840.00
Doki Arcylic Charm 979 $12.00 $11,748.00
Sticker: A - Hello 189 $3.00 $567.00
Sticker: B - Boba 65 $3.00 $195.00
Sticker: C - Hug 60 $3.00 $180.00
Sticker: D - Thief 169 $3.00 $507.00
Sticker: All of them 950 $10.00 $9,500.00

Total: $199,777.00

>>68731551
Where did you get this from?

>>68730477
It's not looking good for us, Nijibros... Everyone in NijiEN is going to release that they CAN in fact survive on their own without Nijisanji...

Better merch sales than any HoloEN in the last 14 months
Wild, I guess she really is the new Queen of EN

>>68731969
what if Holos wake up to the same thing

>>68730477
Hopefully her mother keeps her from blowing it all this time.

>>68731969
All they have to do is tell a lie about suicide… that simple bro. That simple.

>>68732161
No one in holo is both popular enough and hardworking enough.

>>68732161
It's still a risk you don't want to take unless you're miserable.

>>68732161
They goma need a story to tell. Doki is having this much success because poeple side up with the good ones.

>>68732161
Would be a mistake.
Holodrones dont care about the talents and wont follow them, they only like the blue dorito.

>>68731969
Pity is a powerful tool, no other NijiEN going to make this much if they go indie unless they are also involved in the same level of yab or worse.

>>68730920
She's already wasting money commissioning artwork and funkopops. I hope Mr.Man would be able to tardwrangle her before she blow it all on hooters and birds.

>>68732161
The thing is, the chuuba in Holo can still make money with their PL accounts such as Noel, Choco, and Matsuri, and why should they reject easy money by working for Holo?

>>68731551
Not even close, imagine the taxes she'll pay on that.

>>68730920
it's easier to hold on to your money when your employer isn't stealing from you.

>>68732161
Holos are allowed to be active on their pl, unlike kurosanji.

>>68732635
>stealing
>posts panko

>>68732490
Scarle has a shot.

>>68732568
The $200k is in revenue, so subtract cost of goods and operating/overhead expenses and the rest gets taxed. I'd guess anywhere from 2/3ths to 1/3 of it gets taxed depending on her margins.

Everyone taking OPs post as fact and not questioning where he got the numbers from?
Is this thread full of bots?

>>68731551
I wonder what the actual gross profit is.

>>68731551
That's not how it works stupid

>>68731551

Legitimately, that's not all profit right? Like just because something sells for $10 doesn't mean they get $10.

Just decided to do a cursory google on a 2.5 inch charm double sided different images and a run of them comes out to roughly $2.50 a piece. So 979 charms at $12 each is down to $9.50 each, or $9,300.50.

I'm not saying she's not doing great, but there are a ton of middle men taking cuts of that as well. She's definitely better off without them then she was with them. Yes, the hype will die down as well, but she's coming out swinging hard while it's fresh and raking it in.

>>68732912
No we just trust OP's astral projection

>>68732350
Mumei is as good as confirmed graduating in 2025 per her last stream and she'll probably join Doki as an indie.

>>68733024
It's really overpriced, so probably a lot

I wish I could make an instant 200k for pretending to be an anime girl. Guess I’m too socially retarded and not good enough at games. And also not a girl. Or a charismatic hot guy.

>>68732884
Also shopify's cut and labour for Mr. Man & Little Man.

>>68732194
Let's not forget that she now gets a lot more than 2% of the sales.

>>68732912
At the very least we have hard numbers on the limited merch, because it was two sets of 100. Plus the fact that it was whales who were willing to drop $130 dollars on merch to the point of it selling out in literal minutes, I would not be surprised if she won't break the 200k barrier by the end of the month from hundreds of other people buying smaller 30-50 bundles of varying merch.

Of course she doesn't get to keep 100% of the money as plenty goes into shipping and the store and all kinds of different overheads, but there's no doubt she's on a fast-track to make more money this year than her entire tenure at Nijisanji combined and doubled.

>>68732912
Alright I'll spoonfeed you because all this pussyfooting around as though interns don't know shit after two years is asinine.
Most shopping cart code doesn't actually make provisions for autistic numberfags, so they are honest with their stock.
That means that when the store comes up, what people do is that they enter a very large number, pretending they want to buy 900K, and the shop says 'oh, sorry, I don't have that many, I only have 10,000!'
Then after that repeating that gives you 'oh, sorry, I don't have that many, I only have 9000!'
And then you subtract the numbers, and you know exactly how many were sold since opening.

>>68733061

They haven't renewed their contracts for 2024, so there's no reason for her to hold out to 2025. Likewise, Mumei isn't going to get a major boost like Doki by just walking out the door. Cover is going to be absolutely all over her ass if she tries to pull the same shit Doki is, defaming the company talking about the endlessly, and taking all her stuff from her Niji name like Dragoons and her oshi mark with her. Hell, I wouldn't be shocked if Niji's lawyers are writing the paperwork out right now to sue the shit out of Doki for "loss of face." which is apparently a BS thing Japan can sue for even if what they say is true.

>>68733298
Actually pretty cool to know, anon

>>68732884
>2/3ths

>>68733357
Mumei can easily pull it off because she's not from Japan.

>>68732526
>>68732731
They can make more money by leaving that black company.

>>68733113
There is already one more helper and besides she said that to make the shipments fair for everyone she was going to lose some money now subtract the money she needs to live and is less... the thing is that people think that the 200k was all her niji earnings when it was not.

>>68732161
Not a single hololive talent has been remembered fondly by the community after their graduation or termination. Hololive fans ONLY care about hololive not the people behind the avatars.

>>68732161
holo has stuff like 3D, collaborative concerts and fairer splits alongside the brand recognition, niji can’t offer any of the first three and the only brand recognition niji have is black company

>>68733061
What’d she say that implied she’s leaving?

>>68733694
The split being "fairer" doesn't mean it's actually fair.

>>68730477
Did she say that's profit or revenue?
Because she basically said she's not making all that much profit from her merch during her re-debut.

>>68732161
HOLOLIVE 2 PER... wait a minute. They actually pay them haha false alarm everyone.

>>68733264

A temporary burst of people giving her money does not mean it's a trend that will continue throughout the year. We can literally see everyone else as examples of this; major jumps during their first monetization stream, a merch drop that sells out / sells well, and then relatively low, by the bursts standards, the rest of the streams.

Hell, we don't even have to look at other streams to see this. We can look at Doki herself. Day 1 monetization - $19,438. Day 2 - $8,992. It will continue to taper and settle over the coming month.

I'm sure she WILL make more as an indie though, because she's a big name thanks to Niji. Like it or not, Niji is what put her on the map. She had sub 5k subs on her channel before joining Niji.

You sound like the person that thinks that a kickstarter creator gets all their money but doesn't. Store cut or transaction fees, taxes and the production of said merch will if you are lucky get you half of that as profit if you really cheap out on production. I know a couple of friends who got like 20-30% on their books in profit after trial and error on the kickstarter front.

>>68733047
It's probably the most that she will ever make though. After the drama hype dies down, so will the algo buffs. I get recommended Nijis all the time, never indies.

>>68733071
Not necessarily - small orders are more expensive to produce, and compared to corporate orders, these are small quantities.

>>68733555
fuck off Enna

>>68732505
>Commissioning funkopops
She just @ them on Twitter. Nothing has happened. Quit lying. Oh wait, you can't.

>>68733877
nta what's the typical audience retention pas 6 months?

>>68733877
>>68733933
Brave of you too assume NijiEN will still be alive at the end of the year. Terminations inbound after all. I look forward to when the worst of the clique get kicked off the island.

This cunt can make 200K in one day on shitty merch from lonely virgin men while I bust my ass just to pay rent and bills. Fuck this world.

>>68733659

She literally said it was; that she spent $200k and essentially broke even for the year.

>>68732161
*Sigh
Low quality

>>68733877
This , finally someone who gets it

>>68732161
Only Gura and Mori could possibly do this outside of EN
and Gura is too lazy to actually do anything so only Mori

>>68734111
No, you moron, the 200k was just for damn projects.

>>68734096
World's not fair. There's plenty of men who make 200k in one day because they're born with 10 million.

>>68734206
Mori has the personality of a mayo jar so she can't really.

>>68734206
You have to understand, Gura is going through a lot, always, so she just needs you to be patient, understanding, and keep forking over money to her in the meantime.

>>68734390
What's happening here has nothing to do with personality. All she has to do is say the company was shit and she lost thousands of dollars and that will be enough for the people that want to end Cover.

>>68734089
I already have this screenshot and I will post it on february 5 so you can see niji will still be here

Do you guys think she's going to stay as Dokibird or try to join another agency?

>>68734639
>Retard asks the same retarded question for the 7000th time

>>68733877
Certainly, but between those two streams and her own words she's already made nearly 50k in a few days. Even if we assume she's sold literally 0 things outside of the 200 limited bundles and her revenue keeps getting slashed in half until it stabilizes at a mere 5% of it's peak of 20k supa's... then she's still on the fast-track to making more money in this year than her entire tenure at Nijisanji combined and doubled. Like I said.
Are you just not that good at math?

>>68734519
op was talking about how people can survive without cover. Mori can't survive without cover.

>>68734336
21:34 of her comeback stream "By the way, my mom scolded me about this because during all of this, she looked at my financials and I made $0 profit last year because I spent it all."

You, are in fact, the moron.

>>68734639
Yes anon.
She made 200 thousand United States Dollars, and will now try to join Holo or Vshojo so she can go back to making half or 30% or even less of what she could make
That is very smart, you are very smart

>>68734519
Nah, Cover has so much good will built up people will say wait and see.

She’s gonna buy a Vision Pro. Something none of you broke motherfuckers can afford, even if you hate Apple products. I respect the hustle.

>>68734743
I'm perfectly good at math, but you're just ass pulling numbers to try and fit your narrative. We literally do not know how much she'll be pulling a week from now let alone a month, 6 months, or a year from now.

Everything's coming up Doki.

>>68733727
That was a shitposter, anon. Moom said that if it was any other job, she’d have already quit (because she’d get fired from all the breaks she had to and will still take in foreseeable future). She said this (Hololive) isn’t a normal job, though, and she is grateful for it.
Faggots are jumping on her “quit” without context to make it sounds like she wanted to quit when her point was that she was happy and grateful to be in Hololive and allowed to take as much breaks as she wants

Literally every single** Niji who has left EN has had a better career.

*Except Zaion
*Except Pomu but she would if she came back

Is working for a black company then attempting suicide the new meta?

Why are we celebrating some cunt making more in an entire day than many of us make in a year? Flexing someone else’s wealth is cringe.

>>68734794
>Cover
>good will
lol
lmao even
The moment anyone from holo leaves or gets fired and says "Cover is bad" everyone will say they always knew.
The western vtuber fanbase hates all companies by default and merely suppress their opinion if nobody else is saying the company is bad.

>>68732161
I think the holos are all perfectly aware that they can survive without Nijisanji.

>>68735116
you forgot your image

>>68732161
Holo's are allowed to do that in their PL, heck Choco PL just had a minilive like last December

>>68735168
>The moment anyone from holo leaves or gets fired and says "Cover is bad"
Mel was literally just fired and everyone was understanding
Even mel herself was understanding and didn't blame cover at all
You're a deflecting Nijitard

>>68735057
Probably because Zaion is just not good or didn't have enough time to grow on people.
the weird part about it is how much shit she got for telling the truth and it was all for nothing even today.
It goes to show we don't know the full picture, either EVERYONE hated her, nijisanji put the talents against her or a combination of both.

>>68735243
Nigga I hate that bitch, too.

>>68735439
It doesn't matter if she was telling the truth anon she was and is still a massive impulsive retard and objectively a bad hire
Which is why no other company wants her

>>68734767
Yes, imbecile, she spent it, she could have spent it on food, renting whores and projects, that doesn't mean she only made 200k, imagine English is your mother tongue and you don't understand it.

>>68735431
>Even mel herself was understanding and didn't blame cover at all
Wow it's almost like I just said that the person getting fired has to say "Cover is bad". A lot of western fans desperately tried to blame Cover but it just didn't work. It was even worse when Rushia was fired.
The moment someone from EN gets fired things will be a whole lot different.

>>68735057
Sayu's own fault for being a dramatard

>>68734912
>but you're just ass pulling numbers
She's gotten a confirmed 27k from the bundles, plus another 28k from supas by your own measures. I should have cut that number by 30% and that's absolutely my bad, but I'm also working for your sake btw on her explicitly having zero (as in 0) merch sales outside of the bundle because nobody can actually prove that she's sold a single thing outside of it unless said otherwise. Even though we both know her bank account will be getting fatter from more than literally just supas.
As for the 5% of her top supas, that is a number I just pulled from my ass but looking quickly through her life as Selen you can see she made 3,571 on her supa opening stream and almost 2k on members. Skimming through her entire streaming history I'm seeing in the realm of 100-300 dollars per stream, with several outliers of 1k+ and several outliers with only 12 bucks, so the 5% of her peak being the standard 6+ months post-debut has gone from an ass-pull to an accurate estimate based on her own proof. If you don't believe me you can check Playboard.

So once more for good measure: she's still on the fast-track to making more money in this year than her entire tenure at Nijisanji combined and doubled.

She was a top 0.2% vtuber and should easily make more than 500k per year.

>>68732161
Cover unironically offers value to their talents outside of exposure. They actually collaborate and support their talents with things like a 3D studio, they set up unique individual merch deals, they use industry connections to put them in contact with reputable artists, animators, etc. They are all paid well and treated kindly.
I genuinely believe the rrat that Sora is actually Yagoo's daughter and that's why all the talents are treated so well because Yagoo sees them as his own children. Based off the stories that the Holos have said, like Yagoo being in tears when Miko told him she was thinking of leaving, I think it's true.

>>68735743
>I genuinely believe the rrat that Sora is actually Yagoo's daughter
He wasn't even producing sperm when she was born.

>>68731969
> how to survive as an indie? just slash your wrists lol

>>68735529
Eh, nobody cares about her old stuff anymore or can even name what she did, it's already blown over. Everybody just remembers she got fucked over by Nijisanji and that's it.
That's just the nature of the game.

>>68735884
How old is Sora? Yagoo is in his 50s, so unless Sora is 30+ it's possible.

>>68735743
None of what you said has applied to EN for most of their careers. Kiara wasn't allowed to use the 3D studio when she travelled to Japan just to be able to use it just a few months ago.

>>68734390
She is literally already doing it but she can keep her job as long as he doesn't talk about Hololive in her PL.

>>68736217
Turns out I was wrong, he would've been in his teens. I forgot the passage of time exists and thought he would've been 10 at the time.

>>68736228
Kiara was on the verge of quitting before Jap took over management. Yagoo clearly listened to her and the other girls about how shit everything was.

>>68731551
Now account for production costs and taxes retard

>>68732161
Most holos join holo because they want to do idolshit and make friends

>>68733668

Eat shit, I didn't go to the Namie exhibition because I like Arknights.

>>68736486
Jap took over management a long time ago. Kiara's problems with the studio happened just towards the end of last year. Jap has literally nothing to do with 3D.

>>68735116
>Track record of fostering goodwill with all vtubing sectors, including ones that are normally at each other's throats.
>Track record of and putting in more than she gets out.
>There was already ample reason to believe that Niji talents were being mistreated in various ways.
>The west generally assumes individuals are less scummy than corporations, which is absolutely proven here.
>Bullied to attempted suicide.
>Exploited for years and blew $200,000 trying to make good on basic shit that the company should have helped her with.
>The goodwill she fostered was finally repayed to her and helped her recoup SOME of her loss, but now she's free and can be with real friends, which is worth much more.
This isn't flexing wealth. It's an underdog comeback story, which as far as popular story structures go is probably beaten only by the Hero's Journey and the Redemption Arc.

>>68732049
Pretty sure Hololivers will also get that amount if they rope, but they won't do that, because they're not retarded enough to spend years and claim they'll die for a company that doesn't give a shit about them. She may have earned $200000, but there's no fixing her abyssmal iq. Only a matter of time until she ropes again. Kek

There was one guy in chat that donated 500 memberships. He dropped the 50 ten times. He spent literally $2,500 on gifting other people memberships.

>>68736018
Just “say” you slashed them

>>68732049
These are better merch sales than any vtuber. She is beating even the top of JP right now.

>>68736614
And Kiara isn't on the verge of quitting despite that, so what's your point? You're making the assumption the JPs have never been told no which is a lie when Pekora has cried on stream about getting yelled at by her manager.

>>68736228
???
It's fucking amazing to see how a rrat mutates for threadreaders.
Where do you think her birthday live came from, retard? She literally talked about being tired from recording it in the same twitter space that gave rise to this thing about being denied the 3D studio for EN anniversary.

>>68734768
>anon thinks this amount of money is a constant flow

She has the community's attention on her because she tried committing sewerslide, anon. She has the perfect pity story. It's a phase, and she will slowly fade to irrelevance. I hope she's not as dumb as you morons and realise she'll fade into irrelevancy once eyes are no longer on her

>>68734082
Back to whatever she had before this whole ordeal, retention rates are different from everyone however they are even worse for indies due to corporations members helping each other out through the algorithm

>>68734794
Gura transcends cover though. There are people who don’t even know about hololive who know who gura is

>>68731969
Yep Mysta is doing even better than ev--

>>68736638
>people giving a random retard money because she had 200k, and spent it for the benefit of a company that treats her like shit
>iT's aN uNdeRdOg sToRy

Imagine being so retarded you fail even sewerslide

>>68736842
>And Kiara isn't on the verge of quitting despite that
She was.
>You're making the assumption the JPs have never been told no
I'm not. What happens to JPs doesn't matter because they just accept it all anyways.
The point is that if Kiara quit or was fired and brought all of this up it would be over for Cover.

>>68736967
It really depends on how Niji handles things in the coming months. If Niji just ignores everything and keeps chanting there is no war in Ba Sing Se, she'll be remember as the lucky underdog who got out. If NijiEN collapses which currently it just fucking might, she will be remembered as a legendary figure in the community forever who brought down one of the largest corpos in the EN sphere.

Either way, she will never be forgotten. Even Sayu who's drama was an order of magnitude has never been forgotten and she's doing just fine.

>>68732161
The holo girls are all lazy and not work-obsessed like Doki. Not happening

>>68737497
None of them even come close to investing $200k into their content despite making several times more than she does.

>>68737296
>She was.
She was, under old management. Then Yagoo listened and heads started rolling because he tries his best to care for them.
>The point is that if Kiara quit or was fired and brought all of this up it would be over for Cover.
Brought what up? Cover doesn't have a reputation of fucking over their talents. Even Rushia was dealt with very amicably despite what she did. Niji is being decimated because it's all the residual resentment people have built up over the years. Cover doesn't have any. If Kiara for some reason had a nuclear tier meltdown on Cover, people would be very hesistant to pick sides straight away because it would be seen as extremely out of character for both Kiara and Cover.

>>68737606
>Cover doesn't have a reputation of fucking over their talents.
Yeah they do. Gura paid like what, 5k? for a cover that was then just dropped by management and never released.

>>68737601
>None of them even come close to investing $200k into their content despite making several times more than she does.
Marine alone made like 5 animated songs from her own pocket, STFU retard.

>>68737740
Marine is a lazy slob and has not spent anywhere close to 200k

>>68737740
Marine is based and a JP exception. None of the EN girls can compare

>>68737497
Very few holos do more then what’s required

Mori has a huge output too. Songs, streams, tours on her other bullshit.

Solo has always been a workaholic too.

>>68737824
Anonchama.... her videoclips are basically kyoani quality...

>>68737606
https://youtu.be/8DOWB4vtxGg?si=YPwWxjdiQ9OOf-jN>>68737714
> During the second half of the year I'm seriously considering graduating
> Good thing most of them are resolved.

It probably weren't because of the management, but what ever the problem is holo management likely didn't just sit and watch.

>>68737714
A single instance does not a reputation make and Gura is not the person to bring up given she is the golden goose of the entire company.

>>68737934
And they don't add up to $200k

>>68737934
He thinks animation of any kind is cheap lmao, let him be ignorant.

>>68737987
>this nigger doesn't know animation costs

>>68736638
None of you will come close to making 200K in your life time. This cunt makes that for baiting losers like you. Because she’s a woman posing as a cute anime girl.

>>68737841
Give Fuwamoco some time. Those girls are insane.

>>68737978
>Gura is not the person to bring up given she is the golden goose of the entire company.
Uhhh, what? Gura is the very person that should be brought attention to in a situation like this. If she gets treated this badly, how bad is it for everyone else?

>>68738085
Again anon, a single instance does not a reputation make.

>>68737934
Entire anime episodes cost less than $200,000. What are they wasting this money on?

>>68738029
Her animations all cost a few million yen only.

>>68737272
*sigh*
when's the next clique meet, Enna?

>>68738156
Most anime episodes consist of about 1 or 2 scenes of high quality animation and then the rest are just the same 3 mouth animations over and over.

>>68737272
>Trying this desperately to spin it.
lol
fucking lmao
>Imagine being so retarded you fail even sewerslide
Imagine being enough of a retarded twitter touristnigger as to censor suicide on 4chan.

>>68730477
Not with >Canadian taxes.

>>68738194
Fuck off, bootlicker. And fuck Enna, too. She probably makes more in an entire day than anyone on this board makes.

>>68738156
I don't know in what world you are living, but 200.000 is barely enough to pay a team of 5 people and the usual anime episode requires way more staff than that

>>68738135
It's one instance that has been made public.

>>68730477
Why is everyone acting like this is an accomplishment?
>gets famous by being in corpo
>says corpo sucks
>SO BASED TAKE MY MONEY

It’s like when rich musicians trash the labels that are the reason they’re rich and famous.

>>68738350
These are figures I looked up, animators get paid dirt.

My understanding was the she spent the 200k, but not necessarily all were even related to her job. Like commissioning skebs of other characters, so only a portion of those could be counted for reimbursement.

I'm sure that the company should've reimbursed more, but can't expect them to finance every single project, just like for Marine.

Marine probably drops more than what you’re saying on a video.

There’s the song, engineers, mix, lyricists, it’s probably a huge sum

Do any of you even make $200K a year? Or anything close to that?

>>68738373
People spend money based on their feelings. Who would've thought

>>68738364
And?
Lack of evidence is not a substitute for evidence. If Cover was like Niji we would be seeing the mass turnover, we would be seeing the talents revolt against management, etc.

>>68738586
No. I make 60k a year. The house I bought for 200k in 2019 is now close to 400k so that’s about my entire net worth

>>68738586
$200k is not a lot of money these days. Entry level engineers at google make that. I'm pretty lazy so I only make 150k, but there are years when my investments will bump me up to 200.

>>68737824
>>68737601
>>68738156
>>68738166
Marine said Unison cost her 8 digits in yen (this includes everything, not just animation, mind you) - that's a minimum of 10,000,000 Yen or around $67K with current exchange rate.
Set Sail cost her 4 times that, so that's already a minimum of $268K
She spent around half of Set Sail on I'm Your Treasure Box, that makes it around $134K
Just dropping some numbers (again, those were all minimum assumptions. It could've been higher since 8 digits figure might go from 10M to 99.99M yen)

>>68738635
Again, the only reason why there's no revolt is because nobody's started it yet. Everyone is just "ok" with what's going at the company right now but if any of them ever gets fired for a reason similar to Mel, those allegations will start coming out quick.

>>68738031
>None of you will come close to making 200K in your life time.
My salary will likely exceed that in the next few years, but okay.
>This cunt makes that for baiting losers like you.
I've never paid a cent to any content creator, but okay.
>she’s a woman posing as a cute anime girl.
Yeah, it's great.

>>68738586
That $200k is revenue I think, not profits

>>68738630
And their feelings are stupid.

>>68736495
Those are pretax and preshipping prices so just need to estimate production cost. with the ones close to 1000 units she can get a pretty big bulk discount. I would imagine her profit after productions cost would be around 75-85% give or take.

>>68738830
She probably overpaid, but she probably wasn't all that interested in haggling. I rewatched Unison and it's almost entirely still images. It's about equivalent to an anime OP.

>>68737987
Correct. They add up to 700k

>>68738830
She's still lazy.

>>68738830
And you forgot Bishopai and Shinkiro which are also fully animated. Add her cover songs and shorts too.

>>68730477
Remember if she was Selen, that nijisanji would keep 98% of profits, leaving her with around 1.5k

>>68738897
>nobody's started it yet
Nijisanji has been in constant revolts for enternity anon. Remember the 'covid' excuse for the cancellation of their live concert and now it's been revealed that a ton of them went on 'break' as a way to say fuck you to the company?

You're literally just assuming shit without evidence and going "Yeah but you can't prove it won't happen"
Cover's track record is good and the Sun comes up every morning. Based on my previous knowledge, I will continue to believe that Cover is acting well towards their talents and the Sun will continue to come up until I'm given evidence to the contrary.

>>68732161
They could, but it depends what they want out of it. Yeah they could just leave, but Doki is still riding the drama train. I think she will still do great, unless something wild comes out against her, But once the drama calms down her numbers will probably normalize. I still think she will do better than she did in NIJI. Not all Chuba's will get the treatment, Look at Sayu. That said, even taking a big hit from leaving a company, it will still be worth it cause you don't have the corp to share profits with.
That being said, In these vtuber corps, especially Hololive, it is more than just streaming and making money. The next level stuff like Original content/songs, and the concerts they hold take it to another level. You walk away from all that if you leave Holo.

>>68739886
>Remember the 'covid' excuse for the cancellation of their live concert and now it's been revealed that a ton of them went on 'break' as a way to say fuck you to the company?
Not much difference from covid being the excuse for holoEN not getting their 3D for several years.

>>68732505
Nah, she has a point with funkopops. They're the beanie babies of the 21st century. Stupid collectable crap that people will purchase just to have, regardless of whether they actually know what the figure is from.

>>68738792
>>68738991
Yeah well I’m too autistic and dumb to ever have anything beyond a retail job

>>68739980
Did the Hololive talents go on mass revolt and then never get another live event ever again? No? Oh.

>>68737220
Averaging 2K+ and no longer menhera. I'd say he's doing fine.

>will never make more than $20K a year due to being stupid while all these anons clear 200K
I want to die

>>68740084
Oil field workers and truck drivers can make 200k in good markets.

>>68740334
Rushia has rocks in her head and is unironically a complete dumbass but made over a million dollars. You just haven't found your calling.

>>68732161
Most sold out on day 3 for a month-long event. Have to buy in person with 1 item limit per person (7 for gacha).
But even more, is that this has increased the value of future endorsements with Hololive.

>>68740436
That’s because she’s a girl and charismatic enough to pull off being a Vtuber

>>68731551
This is a clear example of why Niji's 98% merch cut is evil

>>68734768
It's about sustainability. Which is possible with a good corpo having the connections and lawyers. Not to be confused with Nijisanji.

>>68739980
There is a difference between Covid and "Covid"

>>68741019
Covid wasn't an actual issue when EN were blocked from getting 3D.

>>68741019
Ask Niji talents. They were the ones that started to put them in quotations.

>>68741059
Yea, didn't stop Gura from her 3D Lives, while Niji can't do an AR.

>>68735431
Gura on recent stream said she loves Hololive.
Mumei said she would have quit already if she wasn't in Hololive.
These two were successful before and would still be after leaving Hololive.

Let's be real here. Selen wouldn't have all the support and connections if she never joined Nijisanji. Doki only had 10k subs. She suffered much, but left stronger.
If she joins another corpo, it would be for sustainability and letting them do the behind-the-scenes work. But she seems willing to do it herself. She doesn't need a corpo, but that doesn't mean she wouldn't want them to do the grunt work with more added opportunities.

>>68738830
That's not counting other projects such as the PC she designed.

>>68740931
I have been thinking that 98% is not so far fetched... above we already discussed what it would cost her to produce her merchandise with intermediaries, shipping etc etc if you think about it is that price plus niji's payment. It is low but not improbable and I say this because I have a business and in many products we earn pennies but we sell so many that it is quite profitable in fact.

>>68736638
An underdog is a kind of character, not a story structure. In fact, the hero in a hero's journey could be an underdog. Story structures are frameworks for planning, not tropes. Stop pretending like you know anything about writing.

Your pretentions aside, I agree that she isn't merely flexing.

>>68738586
If it's 200k Canadian, I do make more than that but I'm a senior software engineer at a startup in the SF Bay Area and it's only slightly higher, not counting my stock compensation because it might not be worth anything unless we go public. If I was at FAANG, I could outrank her earnings in the same position or even higher, in the realm of 250-275k. But that is total compensation. Cash earnings, it will only ever be around 175-200k USD but yes, you can only about match that in other fields.
>>68738792
Total compensation or liquid cash pay? That seems low but I am also not that surprised given the layoffs that have happened this year and the move to profitability that compensation is dropping.
>>68742703
98% is way too much for just merch, we're not talking about being a Chinese Android smartphone maker here. Even if Nijisanji makes 10% on a product, 1-3% of that is still criminal. Not even selling things in a store give you such a poor cut on things. That's why the 30% cut has persisted for so long in the retail and digital retail industry.

>>68734639
the question should be:
when she open her own agency?

>>68743513
>I'm a senior software engineer at a startup in the SF Bay Area
That's pretty cool. Let me know if you have any web developer openings, or a gun with one bullet.

>>68744570
Not strictly on topic, but sorry, all in hardware and in semiconductor manufacturing for now. We have government research money in exchange for publicizing that to the public which is why we are weathering the storm now. Currently trying to productize so it will be safe for the next two years. Tough times out there, I wish you the best of luck.
>>68744549
You might be speaking in jest but I don't know so I will bring things back to earth. She would have to bootstrap aka fund the agency herself because there is no way you'll be able to raise any money at all with any external investors in the entertainment business at the moment. A lot of money is sitting on the sidelines and not doing anything.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/topstories/silicon-valley-investors-build-300bn-cash-pile-in-start-up-funding-crunch/ar-BB1hszjj?ocid=finance-verthp-feeds
Doki also right now in the hole and needs to fill back her cash reserves. It would take at least several years before she could even realistically do it.

>>68745104
>Tough times out there, I wish you the best of luck.
Kek, I wasn't seriously expecting a job offer over /vt/, but I do appreciate it. Thanks, brother.

>>68732490
I'd argue Scarle, Aia and Vivi could beat their current earnings.

>>68745104
I think people are imagining a real fuckin shoestring agency when they pitch stuff like that. At its baseline, a vtuber agency costs $0, they function on platforms they do not have to establish or pay into upfront, and if every member is a talent, they basically could just function as a collection of self-funded agents in this dream world where every member is a graduated talent from some other agency that would have the capital to get their own model/equipment and basically be self-sufficient.
The only initial purpose such an agency would serve is a collective banner to market under/collaborate with, and it could conceivably grow from there to serve greater purpose and recruit fresh talent once they build up some funds. This obviously requires a lot of drive and time investment from whoever makes it in the first place, be it one person 'in charge' or a group. I do not imagine Doki has that drive or ambition.

>>68736581
Based Sanallite.

>>68732161
>coco
>mel
>rushia
>What if?
Anon...

>>68730477
she is gonna waste it in stupid shit again probably, I love her but she clearly doesn't know how to admin her finances

>>68745655
I would classify that as more of a steamer group or collective rather than an agency. A talent agency does much more than what you are describing, at minimum, it needs to do representation and networking, just having marketing is not enough IMO.

>>68748030
I'd agree, I just imagine it's people using the term talent agency inappropriately. However, such a collective could organically grow into a real talent agency if the initial members were all aligned. This is of course, a wild hypothetical with roughly zero chance of happening, but imagination is fun.

>>68730477
Lol

>>68732161
The difference is that holos enjoy being in hololive and getting to take part in big idol concerts

>>68732635
It’s called contracts and she signed one.

>>68730920
>*spends it all on art commissions*

>>68734096
And no one will care if you suicide either, succeed or not. Because it’s not your voice they masturbate to.

>>68732312
kys millie

>>68730477
hope she won't be retarded with money
what am i saying
SHE's A WOMEN

>>68732505
>I hope Mr.Man would be able to tardwrangle her
Not his job

>>68731969
make items -> sell items
nijisanji's still working this out

>>68733946
idk I never get nijis or even holos recommended, just indies

>>68732161
Many of the Hololive girls were actually successful as indies before they joined Hololive. They joined because they actually wanted to join. And they stay because they enjoy it, and also because Hololive gives them more opportunities than as indies.

NijiEN died the moment they unceremoniously fired Yugo and cancelled the 3D concert. It showed most livers they didn't had any future to look toward to. The Zaion termination was just the canary in the coalmine, it made clear the whole thing was about to blow up.

>>68730477
Kson said chuubas should get 50%+
Kson was right.

>>68750757
She said she used to complain about 50%, didn't she?

>>68733668
I dunno - seems to be about 50% here. Kson has over a million subs on her YouTube channel and practically runs VShojo JP. Sana still has devotees on /VT/. Mel (Rica) is a question mark now, but will likely be back as an indie streamer (still has her alt channel) within the next six months.
Hitomi Chris was never relevant. Mikey still has fans here and they're about as menhera as she is.

>>68736967
>sewerslide

you fucking zoomer trash. You can say Suicide on this site. It's not gonna get you banned. And if you wanted to joke about it, we already had a joking term for it. Go fucking an hero.

>>68750887
Yep. Her exact quote was that she "used to bitch" about getting 50%. Implied it was 50% under Cover, but could be under VShojo, because the phrasing is ambiguous. Either way, Kson thought 50% is too low, but only learned how bad it is in Kurosanji when everyone else did.

>>68734089
I would prefer if the clique is all that remains in that shit hole for containment purposes

>>68732161
why would they? Cover treats it's employees really well. Hell, Bae is sleeping in the cover HQ while she finds a new place to stay and Sui-chan has been saved from homelessness multiple times by friends within the company. Why leave all that support for more money?

>>68751634
Which means she thinks chuubas should get more than 50%

>>68730477
How long will /vt/ continue to pretend to give a fuck about this bitch?

>>68751828

>>68733024
>>68740931
If you want to make a company look good, you say they split merch profits (key words profits) with the talent 50:50 (even if profits are only 2% of the total price).
If you want to make a company look bad, you say that the talent only get 2% (of the total price, not profits, even if profits are split 50:50).
Pic someone related, the 2% things was always a meme.

>>68750247
Hololive really doesn't offer anything indies can't do. They would all be better off without the company stealing their money and restricting what they can say and do with bullshit NDAs and permissions.

>>68751909
Selen was always popular enough to have an active thread. I think she'll have enough active supporters to be a mainstay even when the drama subsides.

>>68735057
>>68735439
>>68735529
Zaion debuffed herself by streaming on twitch, most of the fans she generated in her very short time in Niggersanji probably didn’t follow her specifically because of that if i had to guess.
The reason Vshojo didn’t let her in is because Matara is a tankie uber bitch.

>>68733024
probably ~40-50k at best

>>68730477
More or less yeah

>>68751974
Cool it with the antisemitic remarks.

>>68731551
I see what you're doing but for the sake of fun let's say that actually is her profts(it probably isn't).

Let's fix that and after a 2% correction...

There $3,995.54. That would be the merch cut lol.

>>68752038
>Hololive really doesn't offer anything indies can't do.
They offer more than any indie can do. With more plans to leave others behind. Just their brand is respected enough and the leader.
Did you type this on your brand PC or phone?
But yes, you can't lewd as much there and have to avoid politics and social clout.
>They would all be better off without the company
No one is stopping them from leaving. They don't do character assassinations for choosing so. The retention speaks for itself. VShojo had its own exodus of talents already.

>>68751909
Once a vtuber spends time as The Avatar Of Bait, the dramashitters will randomly use them in the catalog forever more.

>>68752380
>They don't do character assassinations for choosing so
their fans do it for them

>>68730477
Zero base salary & 2% was THAT bad.

>>68732161
>>68732468
>>68733668
>>68737497
>It took 7 posts in for the obligatory NDF "b-but hololive..!" deflect.
Step up your game!

>>68738586
I get about $32K in autismbux
Better than having to work and already owning my own apartment don't really have to worry about much

>>68752500
Mentioning fans, when Nijifans are extremely worse. NijiEN talents are feared and annoyed by them.
Nijifans have attacked ex-Holo to suicide before. No wonder NijiJP has no remorse for suicides; it's standard procedure.

>>68733668
coco is basically the god that created EN vtubing stop talking shit.

>>68732350
what?
big jps would be completely fine without the blue dorito
luckily cover actually pays their talents a big cut of profits so it's worth it for them to stay

>>68752672
You're not right, but you're not wrong either.

>>68752672
>coco created EN vtubing
Japan werent even the first

>>68753001
nobody gives a shit about 2 views insectoids. Coco made vtubing mainstream to the EN audience.

>>68752655
Nah holofans are the worst.

>>68753153
Pekora minecraft clips did more to get the west invested than anything this orange autist ever did

>>68753192
Pekora is and always has been irrelevant in the west.

>>68753233
haha

>>68730477
Why do people support millionaires so much?

>>68753159
Have any examples of attacking own?
When K-son decided to join VShojo, she said she lost thousands of subscribers. But what was remarkable is that they didn't harass her. They just left.

Hypocritical for Nijifans to don't take it out on their oshi, when they embarked on the biggest hate and dox campaign against their own. One even did an Artia with PL account. While the corp just stood by.

>>68753320
The second hand happiness cope.
>Yeah that retard is rich beyond belief
>But its MY retard thats rich beyond belief

>>68753320
Admiration

>>68753333
literally any popular kson clip has braindead holofans in the comments whining about how she is a le whore now

>>68753438
Gura gets more hate in her clips than Kson. I suspect it's from Niji too.

>>68753333
Every single person that has left hololive has been attacked by holofans. Hololive and their fans are utter garbage.

>>68753488
It's not from niji, it's from holo fans. Kson is literally holodrones most anti'd vtuber. They would murder her if they could but they're all from SEA and can't afford flights to Japan so she's untouchable.

>>68734768
Vshojo does not take a cut for subs, memberships , donations and merch unless they are involved in making it.

>>68752049
She literally streams on both and gets more views on Twitch.

>>68753438

glad to hear the good news the public has seen through the thin veil of failure and lies of guntson. now move back to your dying general to orbit your irrelevant blacklisted camwhore, cuckboi.

t. the eternal numberking

>>68754036
manila moment

>>68754036
Those sure are some words.

>>68731551
That's cool that the manufacturer doesn't have fees and the storefront isn't taking a cut at all, but you're silly for forgetting taxes.

>>68753320
I don't know, it seems the only way to be elected in any elections anywhere is to be rich.

How did one dumb bird manage to destroy Nijisanji’s entire empire?

>>68754348

west rome fell when a pig sharted loudly. many such cases!

>>68754348

>>68732049
Pekoras birthday merch made a million USD you idiot lmao.

>>68740334
Bro, just get a CDL and drive a truck. You get paid like $70k/yr to live in a mobile NEET cave, piss in bottles, and yell racial slurs through a windshield.

>>68757253
Explain please I mean the fuck you get the Electricity and the water Anon-kun ?

>>68757658
Water comes in bottles. Electricity is provided by batteries and a 505hp 14.8L I6 diesel engine.

>>68731551
Hi Selen hows guilt trippin.

>>68735439
>>68735057
>>68735700
>>68752049
>expert takes from people who don't know anything
The fuck are you retards talking about? Sayu is doing better than Zaion and that's even before you take into account that she now keeps her money instead of sharing most of it with the Yacht man.

>>68735116
>we
>us
Pathetic.

>>68736719
>literally $2,500
I love how reliably "literally" is followed by something that is most likely not true. There is magic in that word.

>>68734743
>numberfag worshipper
>stay radical anon

>>68734089
>This fag will stream own suicide livestream at the end of the year.

>>68751974
>tfw people who sell $25 t-shirts lose $50 on each sale
Imagine believing that stupid picture.

>>68753848
Twitch still takes a cut of subs ad rev anon

>>68730477
N...Negligible!

>>68732161
Unless they literally try to kth and burn the branch as they go, it is highly unlikely any Holo will make more as an indie.
>>68733357
How can you be so easily baited by an obvious scizo? She literally thanked holo last stream and called it a great gig.

>>68737714
>Grasping straws when gura has been vocally happy about the management recently
Sisterchama.... You really are left with nothing huh.

>>68752038
Who are you people? Which indie is collaboration with Bandai?

>>68730477
>>68730477
Yeah yeah yeah, she's successful outside the 2% yacht. Already heard that a million times. Now can we move on to something else... like streams and stuff? Didn't she said she's gonna play NeoPets or something?
>>68732161
Why would that happen?

>>68743087
Agreed, Doki making bank is not flexing.
Flexing is telling the world that her fans are called "dragoons"; and also saying that while the default color is yellow, her dragoons can optionally be any color

>>68753714
Falseflagging Chinese that's been harassing her before she left. Do you honestly believe they stopped after leaving Holo?
Talk about Coco anywhere and the Chinese come saying the strangest things. She's a whore. She was terminated from Hololive. Holofans hate her.
List the reasons why they would hate her and it's pure nonsense. How gullible can you be?

>>68760136
Holofans on this board constantly attack kson.

>>68749074
If they enjoyed being in hololive they would actually stream, so by this logic, only half of them do.

>>68753320
>made 0 profit in 2023
>had to ask for donation for Feb 2024 bills and rent
>millionaire
She was a Nijisanji's "liver", anon

>>68730477
her model is so shit but at least her daki is decent.

>>68734206
Mori already tried and failed miserably to do that.

>>68758236
So does every other streaming website. What does that have to with anything?

>>68752521
>picture of Doki
>NDF
Nigger you're retarded