/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>68721928
IN COMES PYROCYNICAL
https://youtu.be/4WIu23X1Trg?si=Bn3QbKoKUTAwFekK

>>68721928
>Is it over for nijisanji?
JP will probably survive. EN will probably continue to exist for a while despite this, but even if it doesn't eventually collapse, at this rate it will just slowly bleed its remaining talent. Most Indies probably don't even want in now.

It's possible they'll try various tactics to pretend they're different now, but it won't be accepted by the general public or restore good will without something truly ridiculous happening, like JP axing the entire EN management team and just putting cr1tikal in charge, because at this point, fuck it, what do they have to lose?

>>68721928
No that's gotta be Coco's China shit.

>>68721928
No, the drama pretty much stopped burning already, Doki doesn't want to reignite the embers and the internet is doing shitty job at reigniting. Niji is hiring the new Canada management already, so some internal shakeup of things is expected. In about one month only the occasional voices in the crowd will remind people about what happened but they won't matter. The bullies'(?) sub count will begin to rise again.

>>68724095
Now this is cope

>>68724095
The impact of this decision on our financial results will be negligible.

>>68721928
No, a lot of the proper YouTubers that were in situations have come back and nothing has changed. SethTheProgrammer, Booggie2988, and Keemstar all come to mind. On top of that, Niji EN doesn’t seem to have a shortage of new people willing to join. Also if you look at the comment sections of recent VoDs you can see people trying to cheer up other fans and livers.

>>68724095
If there aren't multiple further graduation/termination announcements over the next few weeks I'd be very surprised

>>68724888
All three of them have massively fallen off, tf are you talking about

>>68724095
>live and let live
>Nijisanji will do better

NDF is finally having character development? Is this the terminal turnover for them?

>>68721928
Negligible

>>68724095
>No, the drama pretty much stopped burning already
Even so, but what do they have left? Most of the heavy hitters are gone. Most of the star power is gone. Most of the memeability is gone. Most of the talents worth even playing apologist for are gone.
>Pirates Of The Caribbean XXVI: The Adventures of Kiera Knightley And Nobody Else
>Star Wars Episode XIII: C3P0, A Stormtrooper, And A Jawa, Chat About Nothing In Particular For 114 Minutes
I'm good, thanks.

>>68721928
>Is this biggest vtuber drama ever recorded in history?
Nah, Coco Chammers West Taiwan drama will still be the biggest in history.

But currently yes Selen Termination is the biggest.

>>68723531
This is easily the biggest thing since, and could potentially become bigger if it really does spell the end of NijiEN

>>68721928
>depressed doxsagi
Of course he's all over this shit like the lamprey he is

>>68721928
another talent will be leaving next month

>>68721928
No. Yes.
Hope that clears things up for you.

>>68727146
>News so big that literally everyone, even people outside of the vtubing sphere, are talking about it.
>omg of course doxxsagi is covering this i literally cant even
He's not my favorite person either, but come the fuck on, faggot.

nijisisters......
https://files.catbox.moe/0vh63r.mp4
https://files.catbox.moe/0se8jm.mp4
https://files.catbox.moe/pt2yb9.mp4

>>68727943
Thanks, Ken. When are you debuting?

>>68726850
Yeah, that shit was even used in propaganda machine and I think a political guy talked about it too

And when Coco graduated, Taiwan news channel even used her thumbnail as background

>>68721928
>Is this biggest vtuber drama ever recorded in history
nope

>>68724095
That's alright.
As long as she's doing fine that's good enough.

>>68721928
I'd argue Coco pissing off the entirety of China was worse

>>68724095
ching chong

>>68728712
It absolutely was. She fucked over a lot of the girls getting them locked out of certain games/content.

>>68724888
>literal who
>2020 lolcow
>2016 lolcow

>>68723531
>>68726850
this, coco was bigger because it felt like an international incident with people from China and USA going nuts on each other who didn't even care about Vtubers or understand the situation.
This will *at most* result in NIJI EN shutting down, and they've been going downhill forever.

>>68727193
generous

>>68726850
Agreed, I don't believe Holo nuking CN branch will ever be topped and a Government getting ass blasted about it.

>>68723531
This isn't even a question. Seems theres a lot of newfags here.

>>68721928
>biggest vtuber drama
What is the top 5 big vtuber drama anyway?

>>68721928
their En branch won't survive 2024

Newfags just want to share their first big vtuber drama hoping to meet like-minded sisters. Until another vtuber incident affects an entire country's domestic politics, like Coco did with China, there will never be a bigger drama.

>>68729815
1. Coco
2. Selen
3. Gundou
4. Rushia
5. Aloe/Roa/Lulu

>>68729815

COCO CCP
Selen NijiEN
Rushia mafumafu
Wactor dox

These 4 would be always in the top 5 regardless how you rank them

Honorable mention:
Ririro's harem
ZAION
Mori/Trash taste drama
Millie's 4chan GC

Anons, I'm new to this drama and is always wondering who was/were the bully/ies in niji EN livers? I hope someone can answer with at least mediocre evidence. Thank you.

>>68730614
EOP...

>depressed noufaggot

>>68721928
Where were you when coco taiwan'd? I think even the japanese parliament was talking about it.

>>68731057
>depressed esl btfo
kek

>>68730779
There is no firm evidence for anything. Just a lot of speculation because of Zaion and Selen's statements, circumstancial evidence from tweets and stream clips, and a whole lot of hatred for certain behaviours which gets projected onto the narrative about bullies. The general idea is that Elira was the gateway for many of the later Niji's who then formed an exclusive clique and bullied/excluded/shit talked anyone they didn't like. The biggest suspects are Millie, Enna, Kyo, Finana. Recently there have been allegations against Luca and Aster from alleged DM leaks and one of Luca's mods allegedly confirming them. Kotoka is blamed by some for Mel's termination from Hololive and for crying crocodile tears on Zaion's termination. Personally I take these all with heavy pinches of salt especially since it's in Zaion's and Selen's interests to allege "bullying", and 4ch generally sees them as martyrs.

>>68732521
Wait, I thought Millie is too sweet to bully someone. I guess you'll never judge the book by its cover all over again.

Anycolor found a way to make the "final yab" a real thing instead of just a meme

>>68729815 In order
Coco
Selen
Rushia/Mikeneko
Gundou
Riro ron
Wactor
Kawaii gen 4/oceane
Froot
Eileen
Bao

>>68721928
>Is this biggest vtuber drama ever recorded in history?
The Nijisister will tell you that you're over exaggerating it. JP will still lives

>>68732521
>Kotoka is blamed by some for Mel's termination from Hololive
Which is insane because theres nothing pointing to this and Mel admitted fault herself.

>>68733443
>Froot
Doxx drama is not vtuber drama

>>68721928
>Is this biggest vtuber drama ever recorded in history?
Not even remotely. Not even the Coco stuff was the biggest drama, just the one the west heard about.

>>68733835
I'm talking about the virtue signaling and not donating to that charity. Wactor was the dox drama. Maybe keep up or shut up.

People that think this is the biggest drama, read Moarin Niji KR situation.

>>68722229
LMAO NO FUCKING WAY LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOO TWINK BOI

>>68722229
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS THIS IS GOING TO BREAK OUTSIDE VTUBER CIRCLES. GET FUCKED NIJISANJI, GET FUCKED. EVERYONE IN THE WEST WILL SEE HOW BAD YOU ARE

>>68721928
OP is a newfag

Coco Taiwan was "bigger" but this was the worst yab, maybe tied for Wactor dox saga. Because this one almost led to a death.

>>68724937
This, if people keep graduating, then take it as a sign that things didn't improve.

>>68733713
>Kotoka is blamed by some for Mel's termination from Hololive
>Which is insane because theres nothing pointing to this and Mel admitted fault herself.
Mel admitted fault by way of saying she let slip company info to someone she thought she could trust who subsequently betrayed her trust thus leading to her getting into strife. Kotoka already had a reputation for betrayal and considering Mel's last non-holo offcollab was with her it was natural for people to suspect them.

>>68721928
Gamebu and Tama were bigger.

>>68733443
>Froot
>https://www.reddit.com/r/KatzProductions/comments/vciy1o/im_being_sued_by_vshojo_over_4chan_froot_drama/
>own subreddit turns against him when he has no legal leg to stand on
Fuck off /k/uck

>>68721928
It'll be forgotten about when the next big news for dramafags and grifters to salivate over hits.

how did this whole thing started? what was wrong with the mv

>>68737036
>>68737694
It's only his side channel, but holy fuck

>>68730555
>Gundou
is that the baseball one?

>>68722229
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME

>>68741032
That's even below the other froot dramas. Why bring this up at all? She's a pos, its been confirmed, but her shit is babby tier.

>>68726850
Finally, some sense on this topic.

>>68727096
NijiEN as a whole doesn't come close to how iconic Coco was, especially in the state it was in at the start of the year.
NijiEN could end tonight and it would draw nothing beyond shallow sympathy and sister tears.
Selen's termination could be considered a climax to the drawn-out decline of NijiEN while Coco China was what sparked the raging shitstorm that turned the rest of the world against China and led to one of the biggest VTubers ever graduating.

>>68731057
love to see it

>>68732240
no one likes newstubers

can I get a rundown on the coco thing? I barely heard anything about that. did she call taiwan a country or sth?
this is what I get for being a tourist and just watching funny parrot videos occasionally instead of actual vtubers rip

>>68741390
we can only speculate, but its a cover for the song last cup of coffee, and with everyone and their mom graduating and selen (allegedly) probably not planning to renew her contract in march when she posted it mightve annoyed the management cause foreshadowing etc.
I dunno tho, just stuff someone else said. the song is up on yt, watch the vid anon

>>68723531
>>68726850
Easily. The only people I know talking about Doki were already into vtubers, whereas all of my nerd friends were talking about the Taiwan incident.

>>68722229
AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA LETS GO BLONDE LESBIAN

>>68734795
... You really think that's bigger than Eilene's thing or Bao (and like 20 others) getting scammed?
Really?

>>68721928
holy fucking shit selen is actually taylor swift?!

>>68744706
The metrics people are basing the drama on are outrage and discussion in the western world so yes. Eilene and bao were drops in the bucket here.

>>68743672
She showed youtube analytics which listed Taiwan as a separate country. This led to a years-long harrassment campaign which the HoloCN girls were involved with and helped organise, leading to HoloCN being nuked and Hololive pulling out of China entirely. Made national news in multiple places with Japanese and Chinese politicians commenting on it.

>>68744992
>outrage and discussion
Quite literally nobody cares about "virtue signalling" or not doing the donation (which she was told not to do) except for people /here/

The Studio Cell controversy was a much bigger story with a much wider impact and the Eilene accusations are already more important

>>68731057
wtf, I love Tenma now. I knew I stayed subbed to her for some reason.

>>68731057
>>68745406
I am new, what's the deal with this guy?

>>68722229
he looks like a lesbian soccer player

>>68745583
Apparently he doxxed a bunch of vtubers and put it up behind a paywall

>>68745124
thank you anon, I appreciate

>>68745638
>Apparently
So it's unproven?

>>68745832
I'm just parroting what I read in another thread, I haven't seen any evidence

>>68745874
I kinda feel bad for guys like this because when it's someone's oshi and someone lies about them a horde of autists will be ready to dig through every receipt and verify the truth, but for these dudes no-one cares enough so people just believe whatever's said about them. Of course I don't feel too bad because they're still fags, but even so.

>>68746002
If it's true then I'll lose some respect for him, but I'll keep watching him, he makes good rundown videos.

>>68745583
His whole thing was vtubing history. He made a ton of extremely in depth video essays on different talents, etc. He tried to make some others that showed the professional struggles of the actual past lives behind the talents like Gura, etc. and he figured people wouldn't want to see it on the main channel, so he put it behind a patreon to hide it away from anyone who didn't explicitly care about that history. There wasn't any actionable information in the videos or anything, but people saw "paywall" and "past life" and assumed he was being a dangerous doxxer rather than just an autistic man who loved history and research too much and cancelled the fuck out of him (despite never actually seeing the videos themselves) Even now he's basically a leper, and his cancelling happened a little bit before Sayu's happened, so they did a collab around that time and bonded over getting fucked over by a community they invested in.

>>68746073
(me) Also for the record, the patreon "paywall" was like 2 bucks and made him virtually no money since nobody gave a shit beyond people who actually was curious about vtubing history.

>>68721928
I feel like I am in an alternative universe. When the fuck did Selen become popular enough that a drama involving her blew so far away it reached normie youtubers?
Did he trend really hard on twitter or is it all coming from /here/?

yep now normies know, it's so over

>>68745264
>The Studio Cell controversy was a much bigger story with a much wider impac
not even close, none of these faggot normie commentary guys covered it

>>68746112
>made him virtually no money since nobody gave a shit
Being a failure of a Jewlike parasite repackaging freely available information for a quick buck doesn't make him any less scummy than if he actually raked in the cash he clearly expected to. Ends don't justify the means.

>>68746415
OK? Are you following the conversation or just jumping in? 'Cause I think you're mixing up the topic.

>>68746073
>rather than just an autistic man who loved history and research
is he that or an annoying esl actual dramafag, because I'm leaning on the later

>>68746779
i'm saying >>68744992 is correct

>>68746872
Studio Cell definitely got a lot more discussion than the handful of retards here clenching their fists about Froot

>>68745832
>>68746043
It's real. I remember when it happened kek. The retard put up doxx in a paywall and the damage control was hilarious. He pretty much went silent afterwards and now he has the gall to rear his head thinking it blew over. He mistly just copies rrata from here anyway you're not miasing out newfagchama. It's not really that hard to find proof in the archives newfag. If you're too retarded to find it I'll maybe spoonfeed you.

>>68747019
Yeah, I'm more inclined to believe this >>68746073 side of the story

It is based solely on Doki being so likable. If she just did a drama stream and named names and cried about it, it would’ve damaged Niji less than this. Doki acting so positive while not trying to hide anything paints Niji on a corner and feeds the counter narratives — how could you’ve driven this girl to suicide. Quite possibly the biggest vtuber fumble yet. This tops Rushia in my book, as that ended up having very little consequences to the ecosystem.

>>68730555
Gundou shouldn't be that high. IN fact, everyone was just wondering when she would be fired.

>>68746917
neither of them got any discussion outside the vtuber sphere, Nijisanji's drama has, they'll be forever known outside of these circles as an actually bad company, it simply is the biggest vtuber drama ever based solely on the fact that normies are talking about it. that's more than enough to recognize it as such

>>68747052
Still fucking retarded to post PERSONAL INFO of the talents and put it in a paywall. Feel free to suck his cock I don't care.

>>68747136
>Nijisanji's drama has
Yeah, like I said, I think you've mixed up what we're talking about.
Follow the reply chain a little more closely.

>>68721928
why is taylor swift in that thumbnail? They tracking riku jet now?

>>68747196
I don't know if I'm actually retarded or confusing who is who but if we both agree on what >>68744992 essentially said then there's not much to be said

>>68747308
If you check the posts before that you'll see that the conversation was very specifically about comparing the events at the bottom of the list.

>>68747019
Go ahead and spoonfeed, because I've tried looking and not found what you're claiming. Apparently he did show Kiara's idol stuff and Watson's IRL streaming, but nothing they themselves didn't already upload online. No names, no addresses, nothing of the grand claims made so far. I'm beginning to think you're just full of shit.

>>68745583
When doxing he made a lot of assumptions about people and their past relationships. Not only go far to dig up random private life stuff not relevant to their careers. But oh they dated this person to get stuff and their family life is a mess etc. The Kiara video straight up had a " and here's the real truth she doesn't want you to know!" section.

But he has fans like >>68746073 who pretend he just gave a basic overview of their career.

>>68731057
God I love this tiny hag so much

>>68747640
since you are new to this culture you must know that doxxing doesn't really mean name and address but rather profound details on the life, general location and relationships of the subjects, basically stuff that gets them face doxxed or details which then can lead to a proper doxx, sort of like >>68747765 says, which is not "doxxing" in the traditional sense but gets dangerously close and gives tools to those who wish to dabble in the for real thing

>>68747640
>Apparently he did show Kiara's idol stuff and Watson's IRL streaming
>h-he actually did that
>Buuuuuuut
holy fuck how dense are you, retard? Kiara wouldn't want anyone to know about any of that shit. Ame literally purged those streams. Go fuck yourself you disingenuous nigger.

>>68747963
People dated and family life definitely does count as doxxing, vtuber or not. Either way I'm just asking for proof since someone said they could provide. All I've seen so far is words.

>>68748037
November in the archives. Now fuck off. I'm not spoonfeeding anymore for a retarded monkey like you. Go sift through thousands of posts you stupid faggot.

>>68748037
Your best bet is to just look up the videos yourself. If anybody here posts anything even VAGUELY similar to PL info the entire thread gets nuked.

>>68748096
>I HAVE PROOF
>Prove it
>NO
Kill yourself.

>>68748187
warosu and keywords will one day be your friend

>>68748210
>TRUST ME BRO

>>68748210
Literally nothing in that timeframe with any relevant keywords on warosu

>>68743509
Coco is a primary reason why Hololive started to go downhill, so I'm not disappointed that she's gone now. I'll give her props for inadvertently dismantling the CN branch though because they deserved it.

>>68748233
retard no one is asking you to believe it everyone is telling you to look it up yourself

>>68748037
Technically, doxxing is not illegal (in most countries) unless you obtained the information through hacking, is part of stalking behavior, or is accompanied by calls to violence or harassment.

However, the problem is that doxxing goes against the rules of most fan websites, including 4channel. Also, it's against the conduct rules of most VTuber companies and some indies.

>>68748330
It's been said multiple times that searching for it doesn't show the results you're claiming to have proof for, dickhead.

>>68748187
I remember seeing it and people /here/ whining about it.

Can't have mention of doxxfagi in any thread without a host of his personal dickriders coming out to bat for him and derail actual discussion

>>68748470
Not our fault you were dropped in the head as a child

This is all I can find about it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_i_hJCW9Ok

He posted the kiara wrestling video to make fun of her. The guy just regurgitates opinions he found on /vt/ anyway.
Also his twitter handle being vtuber historian is pretty fucking sus because there was a guy calling himself that on twitter and youtube who'd just post irl videos under their hololive name on youtube and discord and got himself banned multiple times. That was before the existence of /vt/ and I'm surprised everyone forgot about that.

>>68748539
Then refer to my earlier post >>68748187

>>68722229
WEW what a disaster
I hope everything goes bad for NijiEN
negligible btw

>>68722229
it's over...

>>68748550
Found a ss on warosu

>>68748187
>>68748233
>>68748319
>>68748470
ok incompetent retards, look around that week then >>37166722 goddamn

>>68729815
I'm posting the whole list.
>Literally destroyed the whole industry tier.
Gamebu scandal, Brave Group.
Kizuna Ai va suspected being replaced, Upd8 (indirectly related to Gamebu scandal).
>National media tier
Taiwan scandal, Hololive.
Gundou talking shit about Japanese Holy Sport, Nijisanji.
>Social Media tier.
Selen termination, NijiEn.
Roa vs Meiro, Nijisanji
Mel sexual harassment scandal, Hololive
Aloe doxx, Hololive.
Tama graduation and Whistle blowing, .Live.
Siro revealed to be samefagging in 2ch, 5ch and Futaba, Indie.

>>68723531
I love Doki but she's isn't causing an international shitshow that politicians will get involved in.

>>68748554
so the depressed noufaggot being the faggot poka wasn't a rrat after all? I remember when global infiltrated his discord several times and the only ones spamming doxx in /vt/ are underage kek.

>>68748725
I'm >>68748319 and I'm a moron, I was a whole year off with my search timeframe

>>6874840
AKSHULLY
Doxposting chuubas is allowed on /jp/.
/vt/ is a tourist board with rules designed to play up kayfabe. /trash/ is also full of doxposting.
Sure do love you newfags, only browsing 1 board ever and not integrating with the entirety of our culture.

>>68725965
Literally the only heavy hitter who has left was Mysta and he did it way before any of this went down

>>68748725
That's just another unsubstantiated claim but older. You said you had proof.

>>68748111
>If anybody here posts anything even VAGUELY similar to PL info the entire thread gets nuked.
Everyone's talking about Dokibird though

>>68748783
No I have no confirmation and want to ask if there is any. He uses vtuber historian as his twitter name and that name is so fucking burnt so I don't believe it's a coincidence. He's also SEA.

>>68748941
She specifically requested it though

Regarding the Depressed Nousagi thread of posts, watching this now, nothing yet but seems promising https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9Nme6HwPV0

>>68748797
You dumbass lmao even if you're relatively new then you should've guessed it wasn't November of last year when literally nothing happened, but look around I think the evidence is convincing if you match it up with his response and so on

>>68721928
nah its negligible

>>68748827
/trash/ is literally dox central but then again you'd have to be pretty online and into the board as whole to know that

>>68748966
You think other vtubers avoid talking about their past identities because they don't want to? It's just a corpo rule to make it harder to funnel fans they make with them to another channel.

>>68748998
4:50 is where it gets juicy
>>68749011
Yeah, dumbass for sure, pretty drunk rn

>>68748941
Dokibird is a vtuber

>>68749051
Senzawa is a vtuber too

>>68749046
You think Doki gives a shit about that rule?

>>68721928
Obviously it's not over for the main branch, but they could end up nuking the EN branch like how they nuked the ID one.

>>68748998
>>68749048
Yeah, it's basically an overblown controversy, he's innocent. That is my final answer.

>>68748750
>not adding rushia / mikeneko

>>68722229
>back then when mainstream hears vtubers they only think lol idol culture le bad
>now they think a company thats much worse than EA and bigmotor almost drove someone to suicide

>>68730118
I must need a refresher on all the things caused by Coco outside of the Hololive parts, because I really don't remember hearing all this stuff about the Japanese government or media getting thrown into the mix

>>68750032

>>68746452
that's actually me.. thought it was just part of autism

>>68750032
Thrown into the mix would be an overstatement, but they talked about it in parliament. They weren't getting involved with the case so much as looking to it as an example of how Japanese businesses and China were interacting (specifically Chinks strongarming companies with harrassment campaigns and the like).
https://twitter.com/uoko_key/status/1311540362029133825

>>68748766
Just wait until the lawsuit happens or the nishitsnaji house of cards completely collapses

>>68750787
Can't wait for the Canadian Government to sue Niggersanji

>>68748522
It's really embarrassing that he still has defenders. Motherfucker paywalled dox.

>>68722229
Love how he calls it NinShitsSu at 16:07

>>68750832
see >>68749116

>>68723531
We have to remember that incident resulted in the nuking of an entire branch. The only way that the Selen drama can top that will be the collapse of NijiEN which becomes less likely with each passing day.

does it really just casually go over everybody's heads just how seemingly unstable and compulsive Selen's own behavior has been?
seemingly she's incredibly irresponsible with her finances, thinks other people don't like her and doesn't understand why (when she's constantly breaking rules ) and also attempts suicide over an MV not being uploaded
even though she has a cushy job and generally could just... not do any of these things and have a little more patience

>>68751186
Fuck off Enna

>>68722229
It's amazing how many basic things he doesn't understand.

>>68722229
Isn't Pyro that furry with over inflated ego?

>>68751212
at best Enna probably just chided her for getting in trouble with management constantly which made Selen smash her entire room up and down an entire bottle of Tylenol

>>68751180
muuuuuuuuh entireeeeeeeeee braaaaaaaaanch

>>68751302
Fuck off Millie

>>68751316
how do you honestly believe she was bullied?

>>68723531
Literally this
The fiaso caused an entire branch to get nuked, it had a company wide meeting with mgmt, yagoo and all the talents for several hours with the ceo himself taking a paycut and almost blew cover out of existence

>>68721928
-Coco's departure, and everything leading up to it
-Rushia's termination and meltdown
-NijiEN management
-Idol's head of talent recruitment banging the talent
-Wactor doxx
-EIEN implosion
-Vshojo data breach suppression

>>68751186
>almost 3 years with her
>in those 3 years management fucked up a lot of times
>sometimes she had to do management job (like getting game perms by herself because management always gave up at the first try)
>cover yab happened
While I agree she acted without thinking on that Tweet, I also agree that she was already tired of those useless retards and them taking out her cover was the last straw.
Even when they tried to fire her, they jobbed... this was easily avoidable by letting her either have a graduation week like Pomu or a single graduation stream with a public notification "...due to differences".
Nijisanji has 0 idea how to manage side branches, they should just stick with JP.

>>68751352
Do you honestly believe she wasn't?

>>68751352
I dont believe it on the basis that Luca's hag first names the most normie straight male in NijiEN then backtracks and says it was Aster, and if Selen got bullied by either of them I will never believe it. It has to be a girl, and it's not Elira because Elira protected her from you know who on their offcollabs

>>68751417
>Idol's head of talent recruitment banging the talent
Qrd

>>68751531
Oh yeah I almost forgot about Riro Ron, damn that was wild.

>>68724095
There are many things I don't believe, one of them is a human being not holding a grudge and be spiteful. If it weren't for her success as Doki, she'd be breaking right now, knowing that their bullies still have their careers and are at large, while she lost everything, but since she is way better off now as she is and Niji is burning down, why would she instigate bullying? It's a win win situation, she portraits herself as the bigger person and still her bullies end up burning in hell.

>>68751531
Riro from Idol was building up a members sex harem for her, but before that she literally banged the head of talent recruitment frequently for -other than her employment- perks, first pick, shit like that

>>68751186
Me personally I won't go near anyone that publicises "an attempt" with a ten-foot pole because that's clearly BPD behaviour and I can't think of a single example (including outside of vtubing) where someone does this and doesn't inevitably fall to complete fucking disaster for all involved. But there are a lot of people who latch on out of a desire to see Niji burn (and I'm not saying they don't deserve it either, it's just what it is) and many who are stuck in their, "I can fix her," stage. But we'll see.

>>68746612
>repackaging freely avaiable information for money is wrong
Do you think books are evil? Do you think documentaries are evil? You can get most things in those for free aswell.

>>68724095
>internet is doing shitty job at reigniting
The fact that even youtubers that have never gone near the vtubing industry as a whole says otherwise. Fuck, this shitshow managed to somehow overtake the Michael and MFMF drama by actually reaching normie audiences to begin with.


>>68750832
I would just take everything with a grain of salt. Especially considering how most boards tend to have an outspoken hatred of youtubers in general. At least when you read both sides of the argument, you kinda get a general idea of what everyone's really screeching about to begin with.

>>68741011
Oh shit yeah I forgot the whole gamebu fiasco was really really bad that shit would easily top the same level as coco's if not for a lot of people don't know what happened to gamebu because it's from a bygone era

>>68751448
work colleagues generally would respond quite surprised if someone suddenly says for an instance "let's all gang up on X" I would assume this is common sense
then there's the fact that so much of her personality aligns with Borderline Personality Disorder. how she's really sensitive to criticism in her streams while constantly being braggadocios at the same time
this tells me that she has a slightly abrasive style of personality and what I also know is that people with BPD can take not receiving affirmation or agreeableness from others (in how they act and conduct themselves) as a personal attack or a slight
and then over an extended periods these things can turn into outright resentment. but no I don't think anyone could've "bullied" her outright

Although I could see some of the livers like Millie potentially clashing with that style of personality, and maybe a few other people finding Millie more sympathetic than Selen's more self-important style which could lead to Selen ostracizing herself
but that's just my inference, the problem is Selen is exactly that type of personality. she isn't weak at all but very headstrong

>>68752146
>work colleagues generally would respond quite surprised if someone suddenly says for an instance "let's all gang up on X" I would assume this is common sense
That's not generally how bullying situations develop
t. bullied from 2004-2010

>>68746138
Its not about selen more about that she tried to kill herself and suicide is a big thing in the west add that to perception that japanese companies doesn't care about mental health here we go

>>68721928
Nigger-kun,
Coco was a thing.
The Taiwan yab was a thing.
The chinese wheelbarrows were a thing.
Coco's graduation that had half a million live viewers was a thing.
You posted a bunch of videos that have 20k views on them asking if this is the biggest drama ever.
Bitch please.

I hate dramaniggers

>>68751417
>Vshojo data breach suppression
I never heard of this, what happened?

>>68752186
do you ever blame yourself for not standing up for yourself or do you think there was just nothing you could've done?
t. beat up several times in middle school

I think being a pushover is part of the problem

>>68752146
>what I also know is that people with BPD can take not receiving affirmation or agreeableness from others (in how they act and conduct themselves) as a personal attack or a slight
This is pretty perceptive, just because she says she's bullied (and perhaps even believes it to be the case) doesn't necessarily mean what she's claiming to be bullying is the same as what most of us would understand the term to mean. Compare to someone like Kson who's spoken about how she was dissatisfied with Cover trying to appease both sides leading to mixed messages and her feeling left out and alone, whether you agree or disagree with that as a criticism there's a very specific complaint. Effervescent cries of unspecified bullying... I'm not saying she's wrong or lying or whatever, but it does get the neurons firing.

>>68752186
>>68752293
Selen is brash and social and not a meek male like you two, and this was online, so any bullying that could have happened must have been resentment and usually that comes from women. I still think it was the female managers who performed favoritism towards the boys.

>>68752186
Oh yeah, for sure, it all stopped as soon as I stood up for myself

>>68722229
who

>>68732521
>since it's in Zaion's and Selen's interests to allege "bullying",
Niji confirmed the bullying themselves on Selen's termination though

>>68753023
No, they claimed. They have proven themselves to not be a trustworthy source. None of you trust them on anything else, so why are you trusting this specific claim? Confirmation bias much?

>>68733262
Dude did you forget the Mocca incident? Millie is no stranger in starting drama

>>68752248
I think this was the one where vShojo had "auditions" and applicants were doxxed by a fake site and they didn't say anything about until NuxTaku had to expose it. Might be missing some details since I haven't really thought about it much since it happened. Maybe someone else can clarify further.

>>68722229
You're far beyond saving if the furry with a fat feitish and awful haircut makes a video on you

These clips have not aged well:

https://youtu.be/SzkVEA6eI9I?si=L_6mGXzVK0CvGHXQ
https://youtu.be/wfEi_o7oZ2Q?si=Yz0Lb1JPgqyRZhXt

>>68731057
KEK fuck that faggot

>>68753209
>people banter
>"they must hate each other ! ! ! "
You fuckers are why we can't have nice things. Also, here's a funny clip
https://youtu.be/exuDfLBplQo?si=evGGMMfXGFkQc6kr

>>68752506
Maybe, but at this point even if all of nijisanji's character assassination claims were true they've now demonstrated clearly that they are untrustworthy and malicious. All it does is show they had motive to bully her.
That's if we take their claims at face value. With how much they lie and only use transparency when it's to bludgeon a fired employees reputation you'd have to be actually retarded to take what they say at face value.
They try to hide everything, even forcing livers to lie to their fans about family emergencies to cover up suspensions. Any time someone who has zero transparency starts offering up a ton of info of their own accord it should be distrusted and every claim requiring thorough verification.

>>68749084
Yes, because she doesn't want to turn herself into a fair target.

>>68751238
Go easy on him, he's a retarded coomer he doesn't know better.

>>68723531
Ehh. While that was a big deal, it wasn't "drama"
The issue began unilaterally and Cover at no point has the power to stop it. The offer on the table was "become a state-owned chinese propaganda-mill or leave china" and it's obvious in hindsight that cover was targeted arbitrarily and simply swept up in chinese politics beyond their control.

retards who attempt to character assassinate Selen don't understand that none of the current damage done to Niji was caused by her, it was all purely from their own tweet.

>>68727943
>https://files.catbox.moe/pt2yb9.mp4
Alarm? That just how da cockpit sound.

>>68721928
Now doki 2 day row over 30k

>>68757466
Exactly. All they are doing is outing themselves and it’s truly laughable.

>>68753110
>I believe that "the economy is shit because of President A" , and therefore I dislike him
>President A makes a statement saying that "yes, the economy is shit, but it's not my fault"
>I, being a very logical individual that dislikes him, have to disagree with and not believe anything he says
>Therefore, I interpret his statement as saying that "the economy is not shit and that is my fault"
Are you retarded? Do you know what nuance is?

>>68724095
>Doki doesn't want to reignite the embers

Its this that makes the think the whole suicide bullying is just made up. You just claim suicide and all the whiteknights flock to defend your honor. She doesn't even name names so there are murderous bullies streaming in Nijisanji right now lmao get real.

>>68745406
I'm sure she appreciates your dead sub.

>>68748766
Still baffles me that Coco's and Haato's models were fucking printed and PowerPointed along descriptions of the shitshow for discussions inside the chinese and japanese government, like what the fuck, I was like "this is supposed to be a niche inside a niche, why you old fags are taking this so seriously"

>>68724095
>No, the drama pretty much stopped burning already,
>The Mario Kart tournament has been cancelled
>Elira and Petra went radio silent just right before Selen's termination
>Rosemi has been missing for 6 days already

>>68748750
.Live drama was industry destroy tier, if not for hololive saving it

>>68760348
To be fair, taking a break right now is the correct decision. Any NijiEN streaming is liable to get blowback from disgruntled bystanders, especially with vague accusations that some of them were implicated in harassment and abuse.

If NijiEN had competent management they would probably give all their organs a few weeks off to shield them from the drama until things settle down. As it stands, the vtubers have probably just taken it into their own hands to avoid becoming targets.

I pray the good eggs read the writing on the wall and get the fuck out while they still can but I admit that's wishful thinking.

>>68758432
>Niji Intern
She can't name names without being liable, and not saying something along the lines of "don't harass the livers" would be a real shit move.

AnyColor practically admitted there was bullying going on, and they were the ones who first pointed the finger at her coworkers, apparently not caring that it'd basically put their lives in danger.

>>68762600
>If NijiEN had competent management they would probably give all their organs a few weeks off to shield them from the drama until things settle down.
It's insane that they haven't even tried to pull the most basic PR strategy possible
>Hey, we don't regret firing Selen, but it's true that she had some issues related to her mental health
>We did our best to help her, but we need to do BETTER
>From now on we are going to work even harder to protect our Livers
>The Livers will take all the breaks they need to process what happened
>...But we won't stop them from streaming if they wish to do so.
>We wish Selen Tatsuki a speedy recovery

>>68763082
Well, since they basically accused their livers of bullying, they'd have to terminate a bunch of them as well, to make people there was any real concern or change happening at the company.

Clearly shit is being slipped right past PR though, there's no way they looked at that termination notice, let them plug merch the next day, much less let that stock holder statement go public "will be negligible". So I don't think PR has much sway there.

>>68721928
Not even close. It's contained to just the English speaking side, while many other shitstorms have engulfed the larger Japanese side in bigger ways. And does it really matter that it's reached the Asmongold/Hasan audience? Most of them see vtubing as a whole as cringe and all the things Nijisanji does they believe every other agency does as well, including Hololive and Phase.

>>68722229
lmfao no way. Wasn't he dead?

>>68723531
Coco was the biggest out of company drama, this is the biggest in company drama
Difference being whether the company was the cause of this shit to begin with

>>68725965
Enna is a merch mover, Luca, Shu, Rosemi, and Elira get high CCV, comparable to Pomu and Selen.
Sure they've taken a hit but Pomu and Selen were pillars of the company socially, not the financial core.

>>68763405
>Clearly shit is being slipped right past PR though, there's no way they looked at that termination notice, let them plug merch the next day, much less let that stock holder statement go public
That's being very charitable - its more likely there's no PR or management at all, just Riku the techbro feeding it all to ChatGPT and rolling out anything it spits.
Anyway, the terminations will continue - the EN experiment is over, they got all the data they need and just filling out the remaining free space with negative feedback so there's some "balance" in the model training data.

>>68751412
Not to mention talents being harassed by wheelbarrows anytime they had the slightest of interactions with Coco or Fubuki

>>68731057
based grandma

>>68733262
Millie is a drama whore due to her social retardation. I fully believe she's not malicious, but there's no way she's not starting shit by saying blatantly inappropriate things behind the scenes.

>>68731571
Coco was trash and it's a good thing she's gone. The only decent thing that came out of it was Holo CN being nuked. It closed many other doors for the girls that are still here, especially in the game selection.
Americanised Japs are the absolute shittiest tier you can be.

>>68731057
holy based

>>68762843
>She can't name names without being liable
It would be very easy for her to direct her pitchfork twitter mob into one direction without revealing any names.

>>68746073
That's a retarded collab idea from Sayu. "Why does everyone hate me? It can't be because I actively piss off different segments of the community with no forethought."

>>68737694
>I want all JP corpos to pull out of the west
Why do you hate vtubers so much?

>>68764347
shes amerimutt, dumb chink

>>68731057
She also told False to suck a dick and never comment on her stream ever again.
Filian had to space their segments apart so Tenma wouldn't berate him for being a leech at the vtuber awards

>>68764475
You can still be liable if you "hint" towards someone. Indeed, she's going to be liable if anything actually happens to any of those girls.

>>68764635
She's a half breed mutt, which doesn't invalidate what I said. And I'm not a fucking chink you retard. Good riddance.

>>68751186
So you're saying she's a woman.

>>68764635
Now come on, look at his post one more time and think to yourself, "If this person was reasonable or not shitposting for (You)'s, would he have written this in this way? Should I respond to people posting in bad faith?" I know you can answer these, anon.

>>68759180
One of the politicians had an official haaton shirt on in one of his tweets.

>>68764880
Truly the strongest idol.

>>68721928
>Hero Hei
Fuck off

>>68764874
Coco being a trash tier V-tuber isn't fishing for (you)s. If I wanted to watch someone with HoloEN tier mentality, I'd watch HoloEN. Good fucking riddance, once again.

>>68764748
her nationality is, dumb chinky sea monkey. if you are from sea or chinksphere and not anyone from anglosphere, why wouldnt you even know anyone who grew in america is not even remotely close to asians. they are by nature "americans/amerimutts", not asians in the slightest.

>>68753679
There's no way Enna wouldn't say some horrendous shit without thinking about it if she was mildly upset at someone behind the scenes. Especially if management has as loose a grasp of its talent as is implied by everyone else.

>>68765080
>Doubling down on his SEA chink boogeyman
There are other continents on this planet, you absolute mongoloid.

>>68745749
The real reason wasn't showing Taiwan btw, it was BiliBili debuting their own vtubers and pushing out the competition with the help of the CCP+50cent army
Fun fact, their vtubers failed because it turned that no one wants to watch chink media, not even the chinese themself kek

>>68746138
She is like Tito in a way, not a particularly popular figure but because she is such a reach across the aisle figure, her being treated like shit by Niji management to the point she triied to kill herself angered everyone

>>68760348
Not the Mario Kart tournament...

>>68731057
I just love Mii-chan.

>>68746138
>When the fuck did Selen become popular
She was Nijisanji's #1 liver by views.

And of course people are going to come in droves when a company that banks on celebrity status drives one of their own to suicide, then points the finger at all their other talents, putting all their lives in danger.

>>68751611
she made the attempt public because Nijisanji did it first

>>68741390
The termination states she didn't get permission from all the livers that were going to be featured in it.

>>68764549
>all JP corpos
Lmao you're delusional

no not even close

>>68768462
That's not what it says, it says there were potential "copyright issues". You can't have copyright issues with your own IP (granted, you can't have copyright issues with an IP you got permissions for back in August 2022 either.)

>>68769487
That's what it says. "The violations also include unauthorized usage of works and assets belong to others affiliated with ANYCOLOR, disregarding the intentions of these Parties".
They also mention that she didn't follow the authorization flows, which was potentially a copyright issue.

It says both things.

>>68729815
I don't think anything will ever top coco's taiwan controversy, cause that yab was so influential that it still affects parts of Chinese politics to this very day.
As far as the west goes, pikamee and silvertail were the most talked about content creators in general during that huge hogwarts legacy debacle last year. Even news outlets were talking about them.

>>68770160
As said before, They knew she had permissions and wouldn't receive a copyright strike on her channel. There was no reason to private it while they worked out the internal procedures. Just to be petty.
But in reality, she knew it was never going back up and didn't want all the work to be wasted. It is a graduation mv. She used the same song in her PL graduation.

>>68764948
I hope Haacham will eventually be able to have that collab she wanted with Kson, if somebody in Holo can do it, it's her.

>>68765075
Irrefutable proof CGDCT-thumpers are absolutely cancer.

>>68722229
Who is this cute little lesbian and how tight is her pussy?

>>68751186
You concerntrolls are the lowest and hollowest dregs that the cesspool of the NDF have ever spawned. You smarmy, two-faced gaslighting is the most monstrously beautiful reflection of the slimy backstabbing whores you worship.
Why don't you do some actual research on a serious mental illness rather than farting your confirmation bias into the google search bar and slapping printscreen? Too stupid to think that critically? No, you just save that for being a deceitful, disingenuous worm.

The only reason she succumbed to her disease is because your precious company exacerbated her otherwise
well-managed condition. You know who else has BPD? Kiara. Isn't it interesting she hasn't attemptes suicide while working at Hololive. Gee, it is almost like it isn't that a BPD working at Vtuber company isn't the problem. The problem is how remorseless, abusive and toxic the environment this person in is.

I hope you get accepted into the Kurosanji position you picklmes love, just so you too can also have your psyche ground into paste. Then tell me you are a stronger person because you would rather let yourself get dicked down by that company than escape it even through the most desperate, excruciated means.

>>68764720
Maybe she needs to move then. Because saying something like "I don't like birds that much" in a completely different context should be an option.
It's the year of the dragon, but some dragons are evil spirited.
I like the wizard of oz, when they sing ding dong the witch is dead
And so on...

>>68775462
Given some of the posts I've seen regarding Enna and Millie, I think they should move and stay off the internet for about a year for their own safety. There's some psychotic parasocial fucks out there.

I'm surprised isn't getting it for the "an attempt" tweet, but maybe she just gets the spicy latina pass.

>>68751280
It's not just his ego that's inflated...

>>68757466
This

>>68774974
woah, someone's pissy