/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>6856793
why is drdisrespect on youtube? he switched?

>>6856814
.....How new?
He got banned in Twitch a while back (reason not disclosed) and moved to YouTube.

looks like the new Nijisanji branch got hit by that Subscriber bug again.

>>6856860
>Subscriber bug
Which subscriber bug?

>pic related
Last few days of subscriptions for NijiEN

>>6856793
when will she go back to actual gaming, her gacha and singing arent bad, but could be better

>>6857206
>actual gaming
She truly burned herself out with APEX and is too introverted to return to Minecraft (now that Flare mogged whatever Akukin members she didn't lose to Usaken).

Expect idol Aqua to stay

>>6856860
No they didn't, that's just their performance.

>>6857206
I mean, she played through RE:7 not long ago, but then had to do mass Idol reps again.

>>6857923
she spent most of her time at RE:7 with that shitty torture cards game though

>>6857061
>>6857482
I think that anon meant the new JP wave not EN

>>6857985
Then why the hell did he call it a branch?

>knife fight in the current time slot
Also: IRyS avoid overlapping and got better numbers than the day before

Chima 3D in less than 30 min. Place your bet
https://youtu.be/zoL0zudcFDw

>>6858598
What’s the under/over? 70k?

>>6858559
>3 person collab can barely beat one ELITE baby playing GTA
Miko is so fucking based

>>6858629
It's Chima and a nijifemale so I'd say around 40k

>>6858598
>Manjisanji
>Female
I'm thinking about 1.5k viewers

NijiEN is circling the drain

>>6858598
40-60k. She's good at singing though.

>>6857978
Lucas’ Blackjack is based.

>>6858598
It's wednesday and 8am for EST so 40k-60k. she actually has a pretty big foreign audience due to her weekly karaokes but I'm not expecting them to wake up for this.

>>6858598
I’ll be optimistic and say 80k.
She’s known for her singing so maybe people will come. She has some EOP fans ever since she did the freesia song marathon.

>>6858829
80k for a Manjisanji female? Never.

>>6858598
65k max

>>6858829
I very much doubt that, she's a middling niji talent at best and the last time we had one on the same tier she didn't even break 50k, I fail to see why this will be different.

>>6858874
Might be possible if we take into account the sheer amount of tourists that shows up on their 3Ds

>>6858642
Truth be told Miko is playing her signature game while the collab is about ideas for a new original song on Mio’s channel

>>6858919
Those tourists will watch this https://youtu.be/jASfuT-t974 not chima unfortunely

>>6859005
fucking kek

>>6859005
Oh damn, bad timing huh

>>6859005
Even with the debuff, she gets 58k 7 minutes in.

>>6858598
As much as I want to see chima sing, Moona is singing too. So, I'm gonna pick the best out of the two. Goodluck chima. Peak 80k

>>6859274
Nijisanji does lame ass 3D events every single week it seems. They lost their luster a long time ago. Moona singing is special. I'm with you on that one.

>>6859005
>269,148 watching now
I kneel but who the fuck are these faggots?

>>6859409
Jpop group apparently.

>>6859331
>but muh pachinko?

>>6858598
That model is awful. Looks like a fucking bobble head with a hag voice. Are 65k people really enjoying this?

>>6859569
Kinda makes her look like she has a fat face. Their production value still looks good as usual though.
Stars have their 3D debut this weekend don’t they?

you're not even trying, numbrain

>>6859632
Oga is having a 3d debut this weekend, not the stars.

>>6859651
>numbrain
Is this supposed to be an insult in this God blessed numbers thread?

>>6859569
65k people are "watching" it but I wouldn't say enjoying. I don't know how its possible to enjoy this Niji bullshit. All their 3D streams are the same garbage just with some different actors each time.

>>6858598
Did Kuzuha appear yet?

>>6859788
No, you just like to coom to noombers, that's your norm.

>>6859852
>you just like to coom to noombers
Again, is this supposed to be an insult in the NUMBERS thread?

I've noticed that Niji don't care about singing 3D streams, they want action unless you have popular connections like Fuwa.

>>6860198
kagami and saegusa (who was alone for every song) also sang
and recently levi

>>6860293
I think he is talking about the fans. The numbers on this 3D are very poor.

>>6860198
They buy their music at least.
Too bad we won’t know how well Cover songs sell because of their international audience.

>>6860321
ah okay, i'm retarded then ignore me.

I've been wondering...

When do we get access to Cover's financial report?

>>6860447
What are you going to do with it?

>>6860486
Shitpost, of course.

But really. I wanna see just how much the VTubing market changed with regards to the international community vs Japan and how the coof has improved or hindered some of their operations.

>>6860550
Its on discord, message the mods they will give it to you but you need to be membered to everyone including stars.

>>6860677
>everyone
E-everyone?!

>>6860677
Anyone mind sharing it? Kinda interested myself.

>>6861380
Only one available online is the one from early last year unless there’s some other site Cover announces their earnings than catr.

Moona's karaoke mogging Azki's. Indogs shall eat hearty tonight.

$35k, around what I was expecting. And 2434rankings has roughly the same number so it shouldn't go up after like Playboard sometimes does

>>6861503
Very underwhelming all around. A flop of a 3D debut. Bad viewership and bad superchats.

>>6861605
why is it flop?

>>6861807
I explained in the post. Bad viewership and bad superchats.

>>6861807
Didn't coom

>>6861605
Your brain has been rotted by Coco and the three 100k+ Niji 3Ds in a row, that's barely outside the top 50 most superchatted vtuber streams ever for a liver who in her entire career before today made what Rushia earns in a bad month

>>6861503
What was the peak viewership?

>>6861872
74k

>>6861872
~75k which is higher than most of assumptions here

>>6861866
Yea.....
The string of large numbers has definitely skewed the view of a bunch of dumudms who don't realize that for this type of thing (3d Niji)and sub numbers, it was fine. Not record breaking, but a success given the context of everything.

The Holoworld so far (see below). Gotta give it to Pekora, not even a debuff game can debuff her hard enough to knock her off her perch

>17494/26354 :: 【ポケモンユナイト】初プレイ!キッズ起きてるかー?＾q＾ぺこ... (Pekora)
>18346/21779 :: 大神ミオ、オリジナル楽曲企画!... (Mio)
>15584/21012 :: [JUMP KING] TACTICAL LEAP (Gura)
>9302/18739 :: 【Gartic Phone/参加型】お題ホロメン縛りお絵描き伝言ゲーム!【... (Rushia)
>14061/18256 :: 【 GTA5 】南国の島であらたなミ... (Miko)
>13043/15112 :: 【 GTA Online 】#noeflre 初心者二... (Flare)
>12708/14235 :: 【GTAオンライン】初心者二人で... (Noel)
>8527/11417 :: 【BPM】Rhythmical Bang Bang (IRyS)
>6711/8873 :: 【Minecraft】木こりラミィ、植林... (Lamy)
>4898/6289 ;: 【#MoonUtau】Please hear my voice!【Unarchive】 (Moona)
>3706/5859 :: 【CHESS.COM】LET'S BEEG BRAI... (Ollie)
>4498/5858 :: 【PUBG】フットサルモードが来た... (Botan)
>3594/5111 :: 【Gartic Phone】お題:ホロメン!!リスナーさん参加型伝言ゲ... (Lamy)
>3631/4287 :: 【#水飲みモンハン】回復薬を使用... (Fubuki)
>3108/4276 :: 【APEX】CRカップDAY5 連携力/#嘘つきHamsters【常闇トワ/ホ... (Towa)
>2726/4063 :: 【歌枠】暑い!夏が来た夏曲縛り!SUMMER Singing Stream【#... (AZKi)
>1994/2630 :: 【APEX】レイネ様とロボ子先輩と... (Choco)
>1105/1466 :: 【APEX】WEDNESDAY LADIES NIGHT #Choroine【hololiveID 2nd ... (Reine)
>1198/1438 :: 【#水飲みモンハン】多分一番この縛りに適していない男の生き様(... (Roberu)
>959/1092 :: 【マリオゴルフ スーパーラッシュ... (Miyabi)
>706/1085 :: 【FallGuys】VFG運動会目前!新... (Arurandeisu)
>806/1074 :: 【APEX LEGENDS】WIPING OUT T... (Ollie)
>694/885 :: 【弾き語り枠】誓ったリベンジ!【律可/ホロスターズ】#りつすた (Rikka)
>481/782 :: 【APEX】CRカップ5日目練習 / k4... (Astel)
>535/728 :: 【APEX】ジブラルタルを練習する... (Temma)
>591/673 :: 【ツイステ】サバナクロー寮にいそうな奴がプレイする『熱砂の国の... (Shien)
>442/607 :: 【2.0お披露目配信感謝!】たくさ... (Aruran)
>287/451 :: 【SPOILER ALERT】#2 Story of Se... (Risu)
>195/246 :: 【 アモアス部 】AmongUsって部... (Aruran)

>>6861988
Seeing Risu's numbers doesn't make me feel sad for her or anything, it just pisses me off. She is too fucking talented to be putting up numbers like that. When is she actually going to try?

>>6861845
why were they bad? They were pretty high. You don't get 70k viewers or $34,000 USD everyday. that seems like a pretty good number.

>>6862097
They're on the high end of Female 3d debuts in Niji this year, not the very top, but pretty good.
People just like to bitch and act stupid today.

>>6862188
uh oh

>>6862060
Risu seems to have stop trying to improve or numberfag.
>worst timeslot
>debuffiest game
>constantly antagonizing her audience

>>6862060
Give it up. Risu appears content with the numbers she's getting. Until she isn't, there's nothing anyone can really do about it.

>>6862188
NTR SUPREMACY

>>6862188
Who gives out permissions for soulsbourne series anyway? Fromsoft or Sony? It's been months now without news of holos without those permissions.

>>6862343
Fromsoft. Just like Atlus handles their own permissions.

>>6862343
Bloodbourne = sony
Dark souls = fromsoft

>>6862423
Fucking Atlus....
On one hand, give permissons!
But my inner numberfag knows that such a longform rpg is going to have bad numbers unless a lot of grinding is done offstream.

>>6862462
Nijisanji has atlus perms but 0 monetization and they can’t stream the final chapter of the games.

>>6862097
>You don't get 70k viewers or $34,000 USD everyday.
People are dumb. Here is the number if times in 2021 each of Hololive (ID, JP and EN) got over 70k peak viewers in a stream

>0x: moona, iofi, risu, ollie, reine, melfissa, roboco, sora, azki, fubuki, mel, aki, matsuri, shion, choco, flare, luna
>1x: suisei, watame, mio, miko, noel, calliope, kiara, okayu, inanis, gura, towa, korone, ayame, irys, haato, amelia
>2x: aqua, botan, lamy, rushia, polka, nene, subaru
>4x: marine, kanata
>6x: pekora
>9x: coco

Anyone numberfagging and discarding 70k as "low" is not numberfagging hard enough

>>6862343
>Demon's Souls
>Bloodborne
Sony

>Dark Souls
Bandai Namco

>>6862518
Gura just once?

The vspo crowd really got sucked off by Sakusan didn't they? The BIGs basically halved in viewership

>>6862518
So 3D debuts are Nijisanji's big event streams that everybody tunes into. Based on your info Hololive has had 53 streams this year that were equal in viewership to this big massive Nijisanji event.

Yeah, it was low and underperformed. Your standards should be so low in the numberfag thread.

>>6862493
>Nijisanji has atlus perms but 0 monetization and they can’t stream the final chapter of the games.
Both Cover and Anikara still didn't figure out the balance of power between their companies and game publishers

>Game companies should be BEGGING them to play their games online and giving it positive exposure
>VTuber companies should be FORBIDDING their talent from even mention a game without forcing their publishers to sign a full permission for it to be played online

Somehow the contrast between other entertainment medium and VTubing is very telling. KPop idols (be it male or female) can't even fucking sip water on camera without a handler authorizing the correct brand to be used.
Same for athletes, same for A list stars, even fucking instagram thots won't even use a brand without getting paid for.

And VTubing companies, arguably the future of digital entertainment, are LITERALLY BEGGING (looking at you, Calli) to be allowed to promote a game for fucking free.

>>6862575
Gura normally stays under 50k for regular streams.

>>6862453
>>6862548
Fuck Sony, I hope their VPGenesis flops

>>6862518
Its low for a once in a lifetime stream in 2021 especially when nijiniggers keep touting their 3D as a magnum opus that draws normalfags like to moth to flames.

>>6862575
>Gura just once?
Yes, here is the one and only stream by Gura in 2021 breaking 70k viewers
>【NEW OUTFIT REVEAL】Gawr Gura #CatShark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdG2fpj1ybk

>>6862698
>once in a lifetime stream
Between 3D debut, new costume, 3D live, anniversary and birthday there are 3, 4, 5 oppportunities to do that per year

>>6862635
Only way I could ever see Hololive get their perms is if Pekora gets sponsored to play SMT5

>>6862642
I remember 2, the unarchived karaoke and the outfit reveal.

>>6862711
>in 2021

Oh okay didn't see that

>>6862462
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFhXoVPLDH4
>この番組は、株式会社アトラス公認の応援配信番組です。
>©ATLUS ©SEGA
atlus perm...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVDahopPHU4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6JaSKFq_tE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqRVhmg_P-k

>>6858001
Manjisanji gets mogged too often, that some anons have to timeloop to cope. They do it so frequently that their are stuck in 2019.

>>6862518
The main thing is that Chima will never ever come anywhere close to sniffing that viewership again. Nijisanji 3D debuts are tourist central and that is one of the reasons why I despise them so much. Chima barely averages 2k viewers on her streams. The Nijisanji fanbase doesn't give a shit about her.

>>6862766
Again, both Cover and Anikara still didn't realize what they have in their hands. Better yet, they did but they are allowing themselves to be taken for a ride by game companies.

Hololads got sponsored to play Pokemon Unite on NicoNico. That's FUCKING GREAT (and I believe Cover already have a comprehensive agreement with Nintendo) but if it was another company Cover should just say
>buzz off, if you want to promote your small game with our talent you have to sign under this dotted and give all our talents permission to all the games in your portfolio

> Capcom already signed, Nintendo already signed, Sega already signed and between the three of them our talent can just spam fucking MonHun and Yakuza and Clubhouse and Minecraft for the next 100 years without ever looking at your shitty one hit wonder game
>sign here or GTFO
Of course, written in polite keigo japanese with all the flowered language and tatemae and whatever the fuck japanese do business, but with the same intent

>>6862887
>Chima barely averages 2k viewers on her streams.
So she's Choco tier in live views. If you notice Choco herself is 0x in that list of 70k+ streams in 2021.

70k is a very good number

If you guys never heard Moona singing check this streams to see why she get great numbers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SmdHs8jnyc

>>6862927
Yea, the Pokemon company is joined owned by Nintendo, Gamefreak and Creatures, so they need to get permissions from the Pokemon company explicitly for any Pokemon games.
The fact that they haven't is stupid, especially now that they have CAPCOM, NINTENDO, AND SEGA agreements.
It's possible they're negotiating more comprehensive agreements given how much free advertising having someone like Pekora play your game is, but we wouldn't know until such an agreement was announced.

>>6862927
Pretty sure overseas/english game companies allows them to play but their autism man...

>>6862927
>>6863127
honestly looking at how there is a pokemon unite stream starting every hour since the prime time it wouldn't surprise me if they are making a deal. " shill our new game and we give your more permissions" that kind of stuff.

>>6863127
Personally I suspect they’re trying to negotiate monetized permissions with all the game companies.

>>6863254
This is at least the third time they've gotten temporary permissions for a Pokemon game in return for shilling it on Nico Nico, you'd have thought they'd have proper perms already

>>6863168
It's not that they allow them to play, but that they don't feel like bothering with enforcing their IP rights since there's normally no money to gain from it or there's not a big enough yab to make them want to blacklist you.

>>6863168
>allows them to play but their autism man...
It's not autism, it is being smart.

Having an unsigned implicit consent can backfire as fast as some developer takes exception with you. See:
>some retarded developer retroactively retracting permission for pewds and urging other developers to do likewise and STRIKE Pewdiepie channel because he said "nigger"

>Ibrahim also pointed out that Vanaman’s reasons for issuing the DMCA takedown notice, which Kjellberg spoke about at length in the video above, aren’t of any real importance in the court of law.
>Under copyright, an author’s underlying justification for bringing an action carries very little weight unless the claim lacks merit. If, as most of my clients believe, Let’s Play is not fair use, Vanaman could issue a take down for any reason or no reason and all, and as long as there is still actual infringement, an argument of “bad faith” probably won’t have much of an effect on the outcome unless you get a very sympathetic judge or jury.
And the consequence would be
>According to Google’s policy, if Kjellberg were to receive three copyright strikes, his account will be terminated.
>All videos uploaded to his account will be removed and he won't be able to create new accounts.
>Essentially, every video he has ever uploaded to YouTube will be erased.

Bottom line is: you either get written non retroactively revocable permission or any developer can simply wait until one of your talents streamed three videos with your property, strike it three times and give that talent the death penalty

Capcom came very close to do it to Cover, they striked Mio TWICE and held back the third, and send a very serious letter to Cover saying more or less
>kneel or we tout the third horn and unleash apocalypse

>>6856793
>shark lost to dr disrespect
lmao

>>6862883
only Coco has done better and that is a graduation stream. Is this 2019?

Not sure if it’s the case anymore but I recall that when Cover got Capcom permissions it was for full monetization but Nijisanji weren’t allowed to monetize their streams. Is this still true?

Ange has 30k watching character creation in a baseball game. Peko has 11k, Subaru has 19k.

Is baseball that popular?

>>6862887
>Chima barely averages 2k viewers on her streams.
I can see
singing streams:5k
other streams:2k
averages 2k?

>>6863487
he's back to his normal numbers now so can you please stop setting him up like this? i know you're trolling anyway but thanks in advanve.

>>6863694
Fuwa will always have the top non-graduation stream.
Till Gwelu 3D

>>6863713
>spoiler
fuwa minato's hands typed this

>>6863609
27k peak and she is now just chatting instead of playing hence the drop.
but also yeah baseball is the big thing for nips so niji gets a lot of extra views with it

>>6857061
NijiEN has done well, the english branch has been a good addition to anycolor for 2021.

>>6863432
There's also the example of Muse Dash, where the publisher retracted permissions and Cover subsequently privated the videos. Getting written permissions doesn't prevent videos from being privated if the permissions are withdrawn, but it is their only recourse IF the publisher or dev turn out to be assholish enough that they strike without warning and try to kill the channel over old videos.

>>6863432
Thanks. Very informative, anon. Just kinda weird, devs aren't the first to give them permissions to their games so that they can play it. It's literally free advertisement. Calli wanted to play P3 even though the game's already a decade old. Why would they be holding it for that long? For what purpose exactly other than hiding the ending spoilers? For Sony/Bloodborne permissions, I'm certain they're just holding on to it because they don't want a Hololive to play them.

>>6863755
What does that mean, exactly?
I wrote something similar shortly after Fuwa's 3D and got the same response. Is Fuwa a massive fan of Gwelu's?

>>6864064
Japanese businessmen are some of the most backwards thinking people.
They seriously think that streaming a game means lost sales.

>>6864064
P3 - Atlus are weird about it even by Japanese dev standards
Bloodborne - might be because Sony don't want the streams monetized and none of the holos care enough about the game to play it without monetization.

>>6864010
>There's also the example of Muse Dash, where the publisher retracted permissions and Cover subsequently privated the videos
Out of respect. In the example I gave Pewdiepie privated the video but that didn't shield him from the strike because he didn't have explicit written permission to use it.

>Getting written permissions doesn't prevent videos from being privated if the permissions are withdrawn,
True, but it prevent the video from being strike and the party using the video from being sued in court

>>6864010
Yea, hence the 'non-retroactive' clause being an important one. If a publisher/dev tries that and you have such a clause, it'd be time to open a can of legal whoopass.

>>6864210
No they privated it as a pre-emptive measure which only worked because the devs and the publisher aren't on the same page and so the publisher didn't go for the throat immediately.

>>6864064
>Why would they be holding it for that long?
>>6864146
>Japanese businessmen are some of the most backwards thinking people.
It is not "backward thinking", it is INGRAINED in their culture that one of the worse things a person can do is to use someone else's property without authorization, it is considered theft no matter how irrelevant the use is or how inexpensive the item is.

I like to use two clips to illustrate that

1) Korone PANICKING for having sheered a single Haachama sheep and taking one unit of wool without asking permission.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-nUbkj5kaw
She genuinely felt bad even if the sheep would just grow the wool again by eating grass.
Nips don't roll that way, it is one of the biggest faux pas to use something that belong to others without explicit permission.

2) Ollie almost getting herself cast as a thief and persona non grata (mostly by the JP audience) because she "stole" diamond in the Usaken Trade Center.
She came >< this close of antagonizing the whole JP audience watching Minecraft and the one thing that saved her was Moona (very seriously and uninonically) killing her to punish her for her transgression, restituting the item and absolving her from that point on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlpB222oPkY

That's how nips roll. I am not saying it is a good thing or that it is a bad thing, it is just a japanese thing and using their property without permisison is the recipe to get punished even when they are more than happy to give permission afterwards.

That's a contrast with the burger way of "it is better to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission"

>>6864391
Privating "preemptively" wouldn't have save them, as in the Pewds case. A privated video can be striken all the same

>>6864467
You can't strike a privated video, or rather, I'm pretty sure the bugmen who are actually angry at cover don't know how to and the ones who do are in no hurry to show them how.

>>6864391
As long as the publisher has the links to the now-privated videos they are still able to launch strikes against it, they only did just enough so that they could tell the baying mob "we did something against the enemy now leave us alone". But if they had struck anyway, and if Cover had already obtained written permissions, then it'd be time for Cover to dispute it with Youtube with documented proof, and failing that head to court.

>>6864502
>You can't strike a privated video
Read >>6863432
https://www.polygon.com/2017/9/14/16309430/pewdiepie-campo-santo-strike


>Kjelleberg said when he saw Vanaman’s tweets, he privatized the video out of respect for the developer and Campo Santo.
>Despite that, Kjellberg said YouTube accepted the strike anyway.

>>6864652
That sounds like it was struck before he actually made it private

>>6864780
Regardless of what happened in Pewdiepie's case, the copyright strike can still be issued after privatization as long as they have the video URL and knew it was violating their copyright.

>Black out ads
Do they actually need to do this for numbers?

>>6865245
Yes, have you seen how their videos perform without ads?
It's kinda scummy but what can you do?

By the way, is it possible that EN 2 would be announced or debut on the 25th? It's too much of a coincidence that IRyS's collab ban is only 2 weeks while Oga's 3D debut is on the 24th. It's too suspicious that there isn't any events after the 25th

>>6865292
Have Kuzuha, Kanae and Mito shill for it.
Those three will bump the view count by at least 100k.

>>6865245
It’s be embarrassing to have a song made by teddyloid and barely get views on it.
Their first song stagnated the moment they removed ads. Don’t know why they didn’t stop after it hit 1m instead of before.
>>6865314
For all we know they could announce it after the MC HoloEN collab.

>>6865245
Yes.
YT favors Hololive so much in the algorithm that the only reliable way they can get the word out in the West is to run ads. Word of mouth isn't enough, wave 1 hasn't had enough time to build themselves as a serious contender to HoloEn yet, and NijiJP is a very different market.
Unless they manage to snag an amazinf singer or a musician who can boost them like Mori did for HoloEN, running this ad is their best bet for at least establishing an audience for wave 2 that doesn't just cannibalize wave 1.

>>6865314
> Check event list,
Oh, you are right, 25th is empty, which is very unlikely for Hololive scheduler.

>>6865410
What event list are you talking about?

>>6864131
he is his gosling

>>6865404
>YT favors Hololive so much in the algorithm
It's fucking silly. I have watched mostly nijisanji in the past week and even when I'm watching nijisanji 90% of my recs are holo. I don't hate hololive, I rather like hololive, but it's a bit too much.

I wonder what that percentage is for someone who watches only nijisanji.

>>6865504
JP events list probably. The biggest events this month were Coco's graduation, Marine's 3D, Pekora's anni, Rushia's 3D, Matsuri's birthday and Oga's 3D debut which is on the 24th. Anything after 25th is clean, suspiciously clean. Not to mention, I've checked EN's schedule for the 25th, there's really nothing heavy on there except for a few member's stream and super sunday.

>>6865641
We know JP is aware of EN debuts ahead of time since Watame stated that she knew of the vsinger debut for a while.
If it does happen this weekend, it would really explain why everyone rushed to debut.

>>6865625
>I wonder what that percentage is for someone who watches only nijisanji.
It is probably so miniscule that the relationship being made to Hololive is via "like channels" as opposed to "channels of the same group" and populates the recommendations accordingly.

>>6865705
"Listen to the cry of the birds to know when a predator is nearby".
There definitely is something suspicious with all the debuts happening so close to the end of July.

>>6862518
and how many of those 0s had 3D debuts?

>>6865245
they need big numbers to show to their boomer directors

>>6865314
nice catch, but as a counter argument for the sake of it, I don't remember they ever announcing things too far from a week ahead, so im not entirely convinced yet.

>>6862188
it's baseball time

>>6865827
Dont forget SEO shenanigans of chuubas using hololive tags when they werent holos. Susan’s algos might think hololive = vtuber instead of a subset

>>6866615
all the jps had theirs(or started as 3D)
Sora,RBC,AZKI,FBK,Mel,Matsuri,Aki;Shion,Choco,Flare
thing is all of those had their debute back when hololive was still rather small.

>>6866968
I don't know, but it's plausible that they'll drop a countdown timer after the HoloEN collab or Oga's 3D without announcing EN 2 directly like IRyS. The timing could fit as they could drop a timer a few hours after Oga's debut, announce EN 2 on the same day, 2-3 day gap to build up hype and debut them on the 27th to the 31st. Settle them in for a day then followed by Miko's anniversary stream.

>>6867373
It would be fitting seeing how the community is looking at the MC collab as the end of an arc (being able to finally mingle with JP freely on MC).

Subs looking nice for nijien
but views tooks a dumpster

>>6865404
>YT favors Hololive so much in the algorithm
Do you mean clips or something? Because for actual streams I don't find that true at all.

>>6856848
and is getting mogged by anime girls.
brutal, but I guess he gotta pay the lambo somehow

>>6867581
open an incognito window, click on any vtuber video, and your entire recomendation feed will be filled with hololive videos. This is true even if the video you watched is a nijisanji video or some other agency. As far as google is concerned, hololive and vtubers are synonymous.That's how much the algo favours them.

>>6865245
It's feels strange seeing vtuber ads, but in reality that's exactly what a talent agency should be doing, marketing.

>>6867652
>That's how much the algo favours them.
It is not "the algo", it is content produced in english (or russian, for instance) linking back to their videos.
I stumbled in some niji clippers and even then clip Holos on occasion. The more content is produced the more content is recommended and the more "adjacent" content is recommended which, in Holo's cases, unavoidably happens to be collabs and multi POV Minecraft (which links them in the eyes of the algorithm).

It is one of those cases where
> you cannot even buy what is given for free

>>6867660
It's not organic though as they claim their vision/mission to be iirc. It's clear they're putting that on to present numbers to the board.

>"With this numbers, we are able to compete with the second most popular western vtuber group, VShoujo."
>"Great work, well done. 400k views in under 3 days."

Boomers won't see past that. It was below 80k in the first 12 hours. For comparisons, IRyS released her cover 3 hours earlier than them, and her views was around 150-180k in the first 12 hours. Another comparison is her debut anime PV which had 581K in a week with Hololive buff. Those numbers are all from fans, and not tourists from ads.

>>6867895
Organic growth can mean a lot of things. In the business world anything short of acquiring other businesses can be considered organic.

>>6856848
he's still banned from that mystery thing?

>>6867652
I get the opposite, I rarely watch any NijiEN but their clips still get recommended to me. But that might be the clipperniggers abusing the meta tags

>>6868195
They absolutely fucking are
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-dTIzkwKEA

>>6868220
..disgusting.

Now, for the update on the daily chart for Hololive
>The "missing days" when Holostats took an arrow to the knee are finally mended
I altered the script that fetches the data do, in case Holostats doesn't return the max and avg, for it to fetch from Playboard.

Here is the chart: it becomes clear that the "graduation buff" wore off (including having fell out from the 14 days average) and it is still surprising that both the 14 days average and many of the regular daily averages are
>STILL ABOVE 10k
Up from the regular 8k from before the graduation announcement. The real question is
>will it last?

I expect "a return to the mean" but with (for instance) Subaru showing this hard incline I don't know if some of the effects of the past 4 weeks won't become permanent.

>>6868363
And, about streaming starting hours, Pekora also has a strict discipline and regularity, streaming almost every weekday in the same time range and in the weekends in the same other time range
>pic related

In the prev thraed there is the HoloEN streaming hours

>Ame: >>6827621
>Gura: >>6827736
>Ina: >>6827683
>Kiara: >>6827789
>Calli: >>6827837
>All of HoloEN together: >>6826871

>>6867652
localized results means the problem is not google but your fellow citizens anon. if it bothers you then change your location in the settings

>>6868536
Well if there's one thing these charts show it's that having a regular streaming time works wonders for building a large fanbase. Almost all the big hitters have an extremely consistent start time for their streams while the ones who perform poorer than expected tend to have varied streaming times.

>>6868363
There has been a lot of events this month and more to come within the next month starting from Miko's anniversary on the 1st and 9 more coming up after that. I'd expect their average go below 10k but still within 8-10k. Will EN 2 debuts affect the average though?

>>6827736
why chumbuds claim that she streams outside prime hours?

>>6868831
That chart has the entire history from July last year till now. Maybe there is a more limited time range where this is true

>>6868692
>having a regular streaming time works wonders for building a large fanbase
Yep. That's one of the things I insist with regards to why Pekora and Marine
>pic related
achieved the level of success they did
>regularity in scheduling
>very few extended absences

>>6862518
>>0x: moona, iofi, risu, ollie, reine, melfissa, roboco, sora, azki, fubuki, mel, aki, matsuri, shion, choco, flare, luna
>>1x: suisei, watame, mio, miko, noel, calliope, kiara, okayu, inanis, gura, towa, korone, ayame, irys, haato, amelia
>>2x: aqua, botan, lamy, rushia, polka, nene, subaru
>>4x: marine, kanata
>>6x: pekora
>>9x: coco

That Coco mogging tastes absolutely delicious. I'm elated.

>>6869049
It fucking kills me because it was a graduation. I know nothing is holy here but it still feels bad.

>>6868536
I saw those recommendations to EN2(?) to not overlap Gura but ignore Ame on debut week. That could be a disaster if Ame pulls off some strange buff game or creative streams. If any new face wants numbers, the less occupied European timeslot or late night NA might be better.

>>6869049
Now imagine if the one graduating was Pekora. Every single stream of hers would break 70k.

>>6869068
>it was a graduation (...) it still feels bad.
I can only get so erect by thinking of when the first chuuba (be it from a big or small agency) has a total meltdown on stream, it gets viral live and anons can live comment her numbers growing
>she just drank the bleach, numbers will soon cross 30k
>still being beat by Pekora playing Minecraft and Kuzuha playing APEX tho
>nice effort, good try

>>6869240
If the number thread doesn't get stickied then i will get as mad as the lulu posters

>>6868965
It's really just that combined formula of a consistent stream timeslot and frequent streaming to become popular and grow a fanbase. EN 2 or JP 6 would really need those people who could do both. HoloEN is too lax lately with the exception of Ina. IRyS atm is trying to sort her schedule. Just look at Ame's schedule. Why?

Speaking of overlaps, here is the full Gen 3 streaming hours.
From this chart it is easy to understand that they are smart enough to organize between themselves

>6PM: Rushia
>8PM: Marine
>9PM: Pekora
>11PM: Flare
And Noel spreads herself a little thin all across primetime

This doesn't even need to be coordinated across the company, the girls are smart enough to realize where their audiences overlap and avoid scheduling on top of each other.

Many times i see a "配信予定" from one of the Gen 3 girls even before the title and final thumb is picked.
They clear arrange in a way any girl can schedule at any time but they clearly try to avoid each other toes

>>6868536
I'd love to see the Kiara one divided by pre- and post move

Let's pull some esoteric numberfagging to liven things up

Number of Holos congratulating Matsuri on her birthday so far

Girls
>@amanekanatach
>@momosuzunene
>@robocosan
>@yuzukichococh

Boys
>@aragamioga
>@kishidotemma
>@yukokuroberu

Staff
>@achan_UGA

It's over 3AM so most are still sleeping and you can see based on this who are the late sleepers of the pack

>>6869500
>I'd love to see the Kiara one divided by pre- and post move
What is date for the cutting point?

>>6868965
This is why I started watching Lamy. I had no interest in her character design or archetype, but she streams so consistently, that she's grown on me and become part of my routine. It's gotten to the point where I'll watch her over my favorites if she's streaming something interesting at the same time.

>>6869363
>HoloEN is too lax lately with the exception of Ina.
That's the work ethic that made her a successful artist in the first place.

>>6869363
Because Ame has so many stream per day so she spread them out on different timeslot?
If you track her schedule, her usual timeslot will be 3pm pst/6pm est -- after Ina and before Gura.

>>6869613
Austrian artists have a great work ethic in general

>>6869562
24th of February was the last stream from Japan

>>6869826
I'll make an one off with that soon enough, after doing Gen 5 and a couple of the other heavy hitters

>>6869579
Same. since i ran a bakery and wake up around those hours i became one of her regular for her morning stream. It's nice to watch her at dawn in my timezone while waiting for the breads to baked.

>>6868363
>the "graduation buff" wore off (including having fell out from the 14 days average)
It looks more like it's almost exclusively because of that. I'd be interested to see what it looks like if you exclude Coco's graduation stream from the data to get a better view of what the graduation buff really was.

>>6869579
>>6870029
Same here with Haachama. I used to catch her "comfy minecraft late night" all the way back but back then I didn't even know what "VTuber" was in general.
But when she moved to Australia she started streaming in hours very convenient for me and it got me hooked.

Here is her schedule. Like Kiara I would have to split it in "before moving back to Japan" and after

>>6869579
>>6869938
Same here with Haachama. I used to catch her "comfy minecraft late night" all the way back but back then I didn't even know what "VTuber" was in general.
But when she moved to Australia she started streaming in hours very convenient for me and it got me hooked.

Here is her schedule. Like Kiara I would have to split it in "before moving back to Japan" and after

>>6870104
I don't think it's worth to keep track on Haachama after moving back to Japan, with all the breaks she makes Ayame look like she has a regular schedule in comparison

>>6870029
>It looks more like it's almost exclusively because of that
Nah, the incline started way before Coco's announcement (Jun 9), it is just that she was a fucking neutron star with a massive gravitational pull making every stream even remotely related to her skyrocket in audience ever since Jun 9.

Here is a slightly changed way to show a chart: an animated gif

It has two versions of the same chart
>the regular daily
>the same, but with all Coco streams removed

The incline and decline (in the "without coco" chart looks a whole lot like the one in the start of May, and it is due to "slower weeks" with no birthday, special live or any milestone to distort the chart.

>>6856793
Dr Disrespect is kinda like a live action vtuber if you really think about it

NijiEN is a failed project.

>>6870403
Thanks, that's even better than what I asked for. It's pretty impressive how there's still an almost vertical leap on July 1st even if you exclude Coco from the equation. Although it seems that there was already a very strong general incline happening even before Coco announced her graduation.

>>6869089
Anon, you can't be building a schedule around Ame stream times because she is too much of a spazz and will schedule streams all over the place. The only exception to this is the 6pm EST, which is her most regularly scheduled time slot. Unless it's an event, ignoring what Ame does is largely inconsequential to you as a streamer.

>>6870623
If you look at the lower part of the chart (where I put those incline / recline arrows) you can see the worst averages to rise all the way to where they are now. In the complete chart you can see that the last day with an average below 8000 was mid May.

>>6867373
I can see this happening. The window is just too good to be passed up.

>>6856793
Chihiro has been making alot more bank these last weeks

>>6870800
I’m just afraid of Covers incompetence at this point if they don’t take this chance.

>>6870906
It's way too close to Irys' debut

Today's Numbers. You're welcome.

>>6870906
Given the circumstances that lead to Irys's debut being delayed so much I'm not sure if them not taking this chance could be said to be incompetence. They might very well just choose to delay it until october just to give Irys more time to breathe and them more time to set everything up.

Also this is spectulation on my part, but given the reaction to Coco's graduation announcement I wouldn't be surprised if a few of the shoe ins for EN2 pulled out after that. I know I would if I was scheduled to go work for a company and immediately before I was about to start work one of the people I looked up to at that company quit

>>6871064
Didn't the red-head girl got 48K?

NijiEN is inclining and holobronies are feeling threatned. Elira is getting more viewers than low tier holo with a lot more subs like Mel and Aki.

>>6871135
Playboard has her at like 46.7k but I wasn't watching. Deron down there also passed 28, but whatever this site is has terrible sampling.

>>6865625
I basically watch 95% Niji, and prior to NijiEN without a vpn for JP, like 50% still ends up being Holo, 99% of EN videos being Holo clips. It might have to do with how I also watch a few more "normie" vids too, but its nuts how much it lumps everything into "vtubers being Holo" if you're outside Japan. When using a VPN, I rarely see any Holos recommended except Pekora. And Suisei because she's the 5%

>>6871336
>feeling threatned
I like NijiEN but you have to put things in perspective anon. Here is the list of Holo streams today

>18366/27890 :: Usada Pekora
>18346/21779 :: Ookami Mio
>15584/21012 :: Gawr Gura
>15969/20638 :: Oozora Subaru
>09302/18739 :: Uruha Rushia
>14061/18256 :: Sakura Miko
>11545/15112 :: Shiranui Flare
>11436/14235 :: Shirogane Noel
>10398/12399 :: Shirakami Fubuki
>08527/11417 :: IRyS
>08361/10741 :: Tsunomaki Watame
>06711/08873 :: Yukihana Lamy
>05479/07921 :: Momosuzu Nene
>05810/07598 :: Tokino Sora
>04508/06380 :: Yukihana Lamy
>05141/06289 :: Moona Hoshinova
>03706/05859 :: Kureiji Ollie
>04695/05858 :: Shishiro Botan
>04070/05784 :: AZKi
>04120/04482 :: Shirakami Fubuki
>03175/04276 :: Tokoyami Towa
****** ELIRA RANKS HERE ******
>01873/02630 :: Yuzuki Choco
>01105/01466 :: Pavolia Reine
>01014/01423 :: Kureiji Ollie
>00797/01039 :: Pavolia Reine
>00444/00529 :: Ayunda Risu

Good but non threatening, more on the
>cute, they're beating HoloID and on Choco Sensei level
side

>>6861988
I would have guessed that Choco's apex would do better numbers than Towa's scrim. Internal holo apex collabs normally do better than external collabs. I guess that's primetime, too much competition for choco.

>>6871583
There were alot of streams happening at that time, if I recall it was lapping Miko's gta and Noel Flare's gta collab

>>6871583
Something is cooking, like yesterday most girls ended up "dammed" and streaming at the same time.
Everybody is in high spirits so it may be good news, like EN2 anons speculate

>>6856793
OP, you know if you set your location on Playboard to Japan, you can filter for only Vtubers for daily superchats. That way you remove a lot of noise.

https://playboard.co/en/youtube-ranking/most-superchatted-v-tuber-channels-in-japan-daily

In other news, her views are around 2-3k like the rest of the NijiENs, but Petra is at 82.5k subs after 3 days. I think if the pace continues and she gets to 100k in a few more days, she'll be the fastest to 100k in Niji's history. Cunny works afterall.

>>6871064
But Ange doesn't have 2 million subs. How can she be #1?

>>6871685
I know, but having some IRL for comparison helps highlighting the huge feat these anime girls and guys are pulling.
It was a one off tho, I don’t make threads on the regular

>>6871547
Beating the low tier holos is impressive when you consider they don't even have 1/4 of their subs. Poor Roboco and Matsuri are gonna get mogged constantly by Selen in APEX viewers.

>>6871583
>>6871638
It was a multiPOV too, with Reine splitting the audience

>>6871853
>Beating the low tier holos is impressive
This is the numbers thread, anon. There is pretty much only one rule here
>Big number > Small number

Creating imaginary categories so certain talents are competitive is the
>special olympics
of numberfagging. You can restrict the competition and create a gold medalist but it will still be out of a retard

>>6871064
missing Miko at the very least. Or gura.

>>6871856
I think it's more the timeslot than anything , Reine viewers shouldn't overlap too much with both Choco and Roboco. Especially since Roboco didn't have a pov.

>>6871089
According to Ame they all saw Coco's 3D as a group.
Her 3D was on June 27, so roughly after 34 days of auditions closing (May 24) they were all chosen. After Coco's 3D it was 77 days until they debut (September 12).
EN2 auditions closed on March 26, if we follow the same rough time frame, EN2 were already chosen by April 29 and have currently been waiting 83 days to debut since then.
Waiting until October 1 at the earliest from what you're saying means they would have been waiting at least 155 days from when they were all chosen.
Don't forget that Youtube doesn't send you your first superchat paycheck for another 6-8 weeks.
EN 1 got to experience Aloe being harassed into graduation right before they debut and then had to go through the China shitshow right after they debut.

>>6871685
Just makes me imagine how much better the numbers would be if the rrat about Sachi being on board was true. Being blunt, Petra is getting carried by her design hard. Give that design to a more charismatic or meme-able person and I wouldn't be surprised if she beats Kuzuha and Kanae to a mil.

>>6871720
Nips love baseball.

>>6871951
I'm comparing them to low tier holos because that's what makes the most sense to. None of them have subs close to any holos yet, not even ID. Where are all those redditors that said they were going to 'save' Mel and Aki? Why don't they watch them in comparison?

>>6871968
>>6871968
Yeah it's a shitshow all over, there was the holocaust to consider as well. Heck there was a period of time in 2020 where every month had a new crisis for Hololive. Considering the circumstances it's a miracle they actually performed as well as they did and didn't just collapse.

>>6871089
If someone quit beacuse one of the talents at hololive JP quit then i don't want them to be part of EN Gen2

>>6872184
The point being that there might be something more going on that makes it such that cover can't drop en2 at the end of the month even if they wanted to

>>6871968
They also got attacked right off the bat by twittard and e-thot like venti so yea, its kinda weird for them to pull out just because graduation when EN stay strong despite all that

>>6872135
>I'm comparing them to low tier holos because that's what makes the most sense to
Yeah, yeah, like “Women chess championship”. There is a reason people don’t really discuss that either.

There is also zero correlation between sibs and love viewers otherwise most Holos would have doubled their averages on the past 12 months instead of a modest incline.

>>6872150
I think that side of gen5 and HoloEN is not valued, they had to come in a very complicated situation and endure all the pressure on them before, during and after their debuts

>>6862518
Did you just skim or what. I only checked these two because I watch them and I know you were BS. I don't care to check the rest

>>6872257
I'm talking about en 2 candidates, not en 1

>>6872311
I give a lot of kudos to Gen 5 having to go through all that shit and also getting immediately overshadowed by EN. All four of them have each carved out a nice niche for themselves and I'm especially happy for Nenecchi.

>>6872451
He was only using 2021 stream anon, don't fly off the handle.

>>6864430
i mean, what you just said just highlights the question "why not just give them permission to play, it's free advertisement, game's out for a long-ass time ady, etc."

>>6872135
>thinking that redditards aren't just a bunch of moralfaggots.
Just a reminder that this are the same dumbasses who got conned by an indie to donate tens of thousands of dollars, promising those fuckwits that her graduation was "temporary" and that she would redebut in 3 months time (it's been almost a year since then).

>>6872492
That's the same logic of that dude trying to lump all NijiEN just to justify they are all better than Irys's numbers

>>6872462
I know, and i'm saying that if EN 1 who pretty much have to pave the EN market while the HQ is on fire, e-thots using pedo bait as excuse to attack them keep appearing, and lolcows are doxxing them left and right, stlll keep going then why would EN 2 be any different? this is a dream job in term of money depending on their background after all.

>>6872135
Technically it did work, Aki and Mel's numbers are better now than a year ago, but they were bottom Holos for a reason and if they stream during primetime, they get wrecked. Mel in particular hasn't even streamed much at all this month. Elira is doing a hardcore mode minecraft challenge rn which is inherently a buff game, so she's hitting her usual "buff game" numbers of 4-5k. If you look at Aki's numbers, they're almost the same as Elira's, with 2-3k normally, and 4-5k when buffed.

https://holo.poi.cat/vtuber/aki
https://holo.poi.cat/vtuber/mel

>>6872462
and anon is saying that en1 had a lot more shit to deal with pre and on debut, with a lot more of insecurity about their own success, and yet no-one wimped out

>>6872592
Not really, especially with the December viewbug it makes little sense to have an all-time base for your analysis.
Using Streams from the current year is perfectly logical

>>6872880
Then the data should present how many reached above 70k in Niji as well. Not just Holo. Because if only a handful even reached it then her getting that mark is the exception out of her own group. By the numbers presented with Holo, reaching 70k is doable given the number of people that reached it and how many

>>6870140
Haachama was too inconsistent for me, but not sure if it was because of her schedule or her personality.

>>6872970
The logic of low is only sound if you compare her numbers to her Niji peers where we know the biggest buff of their whole career is going to be this only event. You can make a range and just use 2021 debuts. But to specifically use Holos and just tag random events disparages the true numbers here.

>>6872592
>>6872880
>especially with the December viewbug
It is not because of that

>>6872970
>By the numbers presented with Holo, reaching 70k is doable given the number of people that reached it and how many
The whole point of the comparison is to show that even a 3D debut being a one off even it does not mean it is a low number.
People seeing 100k+ live viewers on the regular removed their ability to appreciate how big 70k live viewers are.

The point of showing only 2021 is to show that out of yearly special events (or lifetime ones as the 3D debut) it is very rare to reach 70k and most people do it once, twice in a year

>>6873196
>But to specifically use Holos and just tag random events disparages the true numbers here.
Sadly at the moment I only have Holostats numbers. Does Niji even have an equivalent high rate of sampling site?

Just today I finished hooking up my jiggamagig into Playboard to catch the superchat numbers and, as a collateral effect, I can read their live viewer numbers too.
The problem is that by using a high quality like Holostats and compare with Niji on a low quality like Playboard I would be causing a disservice to Niji

>>6872135
>Where are all those redditors that said they were going to 'save' Mel and Aki?
Aki definitely still has one of the most Eigo chats in JP. So at the very least, it worked for her to the degree that a "honeymoon" buff would work. Even back then, she didn't have that many viewers and often sat between 3k and 5k.

>>6872547
>just highlights the question "why not just give them permission to play"
But they do. You only have to do your part and ask, in writing and
>the most important part to the Japanese
wait WITHOUT taking what you were not previously authorized before you get permission.

That's different from the western mentality that "it's better to ask for forgiveness than for permission".
Tanigo likely went to a hostess club with Capcom and Nintendo presidents, drank sake out of some big boobed japanese hostess with them and they patched up things so well Capcom even sponsored Mio in particular to make up for the trouble.
But you HAVE to ask permission first, bow very deep and wait

>>6873374
Again, why use Holos to begin with. The whole skewed perception came from the other 3D debut Niji events that happened before her. I'm not devaluing her number, I am pointing out that the numbers presented is retarded to begin with. You should only compare it to similar events that has the same meaning because of the culture behind them which are in this case Niji 3D debuts. She's probably above average comparing her to the past 3D debuts.

>>6873455
There is no such site, sadly enough.

>>6873683
>Again, why use Holos to begin with
Because that's the data I can access with a simple query. When I have quality data on Niji I can repeat the same analysis and I assure it will return the same result that is
>100k is a magical threshold
>70k is a very good one

>>6873455
There's an anon that postst the 3D debut numbers. Peak and total SC. You can probably see it in the archives

>>6873871
I'll end up creating it just to scratch my own itch.

>>6872135
All the redditors are watching EN now.

>>6873962
If I knew how to web dev I'd have done it already out of sheer autism. In fact, I'd have gone a step further and add options for at least some of the other agencies that I like to follow.

How does Kuzuha sustain these numbers at 6AM?

【MYTHBREAKERS SESSION 1】
20k waiting, purged when started and couldn't recover the number after 6 minutes. Is youtube really hiding actual numbers?

I remember the days when the viewers having gradual increase when the stream starts.

>>6874467
Maybe if you'd wait a bit you'd understand how YouTube works.

>>6869049
And Suisei, Miko and Noel only got over 70k because it was a stream featuring, or about Coco in her last month.

>>6874432
Diehard fans. If you go on his twitter and look at the impressions he tweets get, you'll see he has more fan dedication than some of the biggest holos.

>>6874467
For a couple of days now many streams are peaking ***BEFORE** they start.
YouTube changed something again

>>6874646
Yes, I specifically mentioned the duration, that's too long. Global ping does not exceed 1 minute - if people reloaded the page/app.

>>6872150
Precisely every last weekend of the month had a dark day.

>>6874835
Yeah, it's really hard to believe that the 18k people who were waiting for the stream to start just decided to leave and come back after 3-4 minutes, just because the ads started playing.

>>6865625
Late response, I watch 90% Nijisanji and I get a Holo clip every other day recc'd to me.

Just looking at the NijiEN live viewership and it seems like they all share the same pool of 3-6k people.
The more who overlap the more they get divided amongst themselves.

Those are some pretty shit viewers ngl. I was expecting at least 40k. EN is reclining.

>>6875425
Last night proved this wasn't true. Finana started a stream of a game everyone has seen before, even NijiJP members were spamming it, then Rosemi and Gura started their stream. She had a small dip in loss of viewers, about 100, then it went back. The branch that is overlap central maintains ~1k per stream pretty easily.

>>6875519
You are likely baiting, but I will feed, you seem hungry.

>>6875519
EN absolutely is reclining since January.
a lot of EN viewers left for Twitch, that's also where most of the Western Vtuber fanbase is centered.
It's pretty much only Hololive JP fans and gachikois that are holding up the YT EN vtuber sphere.

>>6875824
Not that guy, but this doesn't work as a counter because the basis of the original argument is that EN is full of dead subs.

>>6872289
Subs often translate into higher vod views. Aki's VOD views are pretty abysmal though. Hololive does pretty well in VOD views.

>>6874759
noel was a 3D with guests, coco did little for that one

>>6875966
>EN been reclining since january
this is the numbers thread, retard

>>6875519
Shit bait, but if people are interested why, this is ep 6 of the HoloEN TTRPG series (creation + 4 tutorials). If people didn't watch the previous ones, they won't watch this one. It's only going to go lower from here as more people fall off. If you think these numbers are low, you should try and look at what numbers TTRPG streams usually get on the JP side.

>>6876576
Dont bite the bait anon-kun

>>6875966
>EN absolutely is reclining since January.
>It's pretty much only Hololive JP fans and gachikois that are holding up the YT EN vtuber sphere.
Doesn't match reality, but believe what you want to believe. HoloEN's viewership has been quite consistent since January.
Gura: ~18-20k
Ina/Ame/Calli: 8k-10k
Kiara: 6-8k

>>6874832
the little meow meow buff

>>6876576
Pekora has never done a TTRPG stream, so the comparison is meaningless. Gura alone should be able to get these numbers. She has 4 other people with her, no excuse.

>>6876576
I don't know why they didn't set this up on a weekend. This could have easily replaced Sunday Night of Holotalk and Reddit Review. Holotalk has moved to Saturdays. Sunday doesn't have a regular show yet.

kuzuha 16k+ throught the night, 18k at 7 am
thats actually quite insane

>>6878272
scheduling I guess

New Wave debuts in 5-8 hours, 30 minutes each in a row. I'm really curious how they will do.

Over/under 37.5k max views between all of them. Anyone taking the under? They have a lot of twitter followers.

Pokémon unite: buff or debuff game?

>>6878838
I'll go with 25k max
What chigusa's and co. number was?

>>6878931
No buff. Fubuki gets decent numbers nowadays especially if it's a new game. Maybe if they collab they will. I am still waiting for a Gartic phone collab.

>>6878941

>>6878838
Twitter means nothing. Half of them are people who have JP oshis who will stream over them spamming PokeUnite, who will just wait for the matome/screenshots on Twitter. I am predicting 35k at first but dwindle as everyone gets lost with the move to the next debut.
Is it going to be hosted like NijiEN was?

>>6879280
No. Just a relay.

>>6878931
Debuff from what I've seen.
Crayon Shin-chan is the buff game of the month.

>>6878838
>>6879280
Surprisingly there's ZERO overlap within Niji for the entirety of their timeframe. They actually seem to be hyping this up. Niji debuts are typically weak but 37.5 would be a low bar.

>>6878931
seems regular, probably debuff if they do it several times

>>6878941
17k-25k
I don't quite remember what the time slot was but they were on the weekend instead of a Thursday.

Running through some of this video descriptions I noticed some had shit in english. I guess some of them wanted EOPs.

>>6879475
Petra (EN), Selen (EN) and Eli (JP) will be streaming over them.

>>6879612
Huh, the wiki hasn't updated yet
Either way those are rather negligible overlaps

>>6879475
That's good for the numbers. 1pm-4pm on a weekday may not be the debuff we're thinking. The tweet describing their debuts was finally pinned too. 37.5k doesn't seem too low, no liver debut in 2020-21 has gotten more than 35k I think.

>>6879612
EN means nothing.

>>6879786
It's a national holiday btw

>>6879737
I just use holodex. It pulls any scheduled streams.

>>6879453
>Crayon Shin-chan is the buff game of the month.
It's definitely the current fad, but I haven't seen anybody get a particularly big buff from it, just normal numbers. Sometimes even disappointing ones.

>>6879874
Oh shit, that's good then. I guess this was the only time they could really introduce a new wave until after the summer.

>>6879475
>Surprisingly there's ZERO overlap within Niji for the entirety of their timeframe.
Anon how the fuck do you think you know this

>>6880274
Because their wiki aggregates streaming schedules and there's a huge gaping hole in that timeslot? Apparently there's a few outliers that havent updated yet and I'm wrong though

>>6878373
>kuzuha gets good numbers
What else is new

>>6879475
nijilivers barely stream at 1 pm- 4 pm anyway. most start at 4 pm to prime time.

>>6881004
On weekdays sure, not so much on weekends or holidays

>>6865625
I watch 90% niji but my feed still flooded with holo. I have to manually remove holo en clip by myself. I dont mind usual holo clip but holo en clip are shitty clip, their quality are trash.

>>6881152
I watch mainly holo JP, some niji, 774 and vspo. I rarely watch holo EN. But I only get holo JP clips.

>>6875966
Vshojo can keep all the 14 year old coomer fans, we don't want them

>>6878373
>insane
New? This isn't the first time he streamed at ungodly hours.

>>6881152
Holo's are very assertive about meta-tagging and it shows in the algorithm. Niji's hardly give a fuck.

>>6865625
https://playboard.co/en/youtube-ranking/most-viewed-v-tuber-channels-in-worldwide-monthly
so many hololive clippers. insane monthly views on top of that.

>>6881152
I watch Nijisanji mostly and haven't seen a Holo clip on my feed in weeks, but it still happens. However, I also watch JP and JP clips so this may also be why, I don't watch NijiEN clips, maybe you watched those and since they clip Holo, it gets pushed towards you.

>>6881447
Oh. Mafumafu is on the top of the list.
Music too strong, pls nerf. I'm guessing meta-tags, but he mostly just uses his rig out of convenience and isn't a standard v-tuber.

>>6857206
I think the apex arc broke her. when she failed to hit masters, she was crushed from all sides.
let her take some time to recover, she also loves that game too much to keep it away forever. I expect her to play apex again next month.

>>6882489
>apex
that anon said real gaming

>>6862518
>6x: pekora
>9x: coco
rabbit is a fucking beast

>>6881674
He's popular and he streams with other popular musicians/utaite. Here are the metatags for his latest video that's on that chart, an interview with Eve, another popular musician
まふまふ, 歌い手, 歌ってみた, ニコニコ動画, utaite, utattemita, niconico, nicovideo, VOCALOID, 初音ミク, Miku Hatsune, 音楽, music, オリジナル曲, アニメ

>>6881674
>>6882670
Mafumafu gets views because he's primarily a music artist. Most of his views are from his MVs and Covers. For some reason, he's listed as a vtuber when Mori is listed as an artist. One of the many reasons why playboard sucks, but we don't have an alternative.

>>6883379
It isn't playboards fault. It's Mori/Cover/Youtube's fault. Mafumafu is verified on Youtube but does not have the artist/musician musical note indication. Mori does.

>>6883649
Mori's fault? So she should not have a music channel?

>>6872559
Aren't there many saviourfags here too?

>>6884785
The saviorfags here have schizos in their midst though. They will sift through every post to find something that you did or said to fuck you over if you aren't careful. It's like savior gacha.

>>6864430
>those elaborate examples
>when half of the server steals iron, emeralds and diamonds from Polka on STREAM
go outside, anon

>>6884414
Her fault that she's listed as an artist, I never said it's a bad thing. A little annoying for us numberfags and no doubt it affects the way her channel is promoted, but she's free to do whatever she wants of course.

Finana and Selen playing APEX at 4k viewers, which is good for Niji EN.

>>6887621
Ya Selen is def the star of NijiEN2 and I think her Apex streams will be 4-5k+ which is in "buff game" territory for NijiEN. I don't think I've seen Finana get more than 4k since her debut, and if you're watching the stream, it's because of Selen. She makes Apex fun to watch.

>>6875966
>EN absolutely is reclining since January.
>a lot of EN viewers left for Twitch
Well there are many factors:
1. Niji EN took a small amount from Holo EN.
2. People are starting to get bored of the low selection, and probably waiting for Gen 2.
3. The apparent move to family friendly by Cover (reason Coco left), plays some role. Also hurt Cover’s image a bit, particularly with Coco leaving.
4. More competition as EN VTubing gets more streamers.

>>6887905
>>6876563
I wonder if you're not just samefagging though, this thread has been getting some pretty stupid repeated posts today

>>6856793
Yesterday's numbers

>>6888319
>this thread has been getting some pretty stupid repeated posts today
Mine is addressing four points as to why Holo EN seems to be declining a bit. You’re replying to those points without addressing any of them. Your post is the most retarded so far.

>>6888685
>still hasn't opened the graph

>>6888685
If you looked at the graph, then you'll know they haven't declined since January like that anon claimed. He was talking out of his ass.

>>6888882
Are you trolling me? The decline of Holo EN has occurred twice. What saved it momentarily was the new outfits, then it went back into decline again. For example: Anyone who has been here for some time has seen the drop in Gura’s live viewers, which was momentarily saved by the outfit stream, only to be in decline again. What more is there to argue? That her numbers never dropped at all?
>>6889051
>January
I wasn’t addressing that part, only addressing the apparent decline in general, which has occurred. My response was only to explain the why, rather than pretend nothing happened.

>>6886247
I'll point out that the last song she released before getting the artist label took nearly a month to reach 1 million.
It looks to be a massive buff when it comes to music videos

>>6889238
Honeymoon phase wearing off is the not the same as decline. Youtube changed how they counted live viewers in Dec 2020 and everyone's numbers dropped as a result, hence the big dropoff in the graph.

>Anyone who has been here for some time has seen the drop in Gura’s live viewers, which was momentarily saved by the outfit stream, only to be in decline again.
Gura's numbers have always fluctuated depending on the game she plays. When she plays games she's good at like DBD or rhythm games, she gets good numbers. When she plays games she's shit at like Metroid/MH/DMC, she struggles to get 15k. This has been the case since January. If she was really declining, then she'll be stuck at 15k and sub count growth would slow down, but neither are. It's just typical buff game/debuff game fluctuations.

>I wasn’t addressing that part, only addressing the apparent decline in general, which has occurred.
What general decline are you talking about then? Since last year? Ever since March 2021, they've inclined and are higher than they were in Jan 2021.

>>6881397
playing the SEO game right will have really big effect

>>6890243
>They were increasing views because they were new at the time (honeymoon), which you are not allowed to count.
You count all growth—even the first four months—when there is apparent loss of interest with people leaving, you can count that as well. And when growth returns again (outfit streams), you can still count it. And it’s been in decline again.
>Gura's numbers have always fluctuated depending on the game she plays
Yes, and they’ve been in a general decline regardless. These aren’t mutually exclusive.

At least you’re attempting to address my post directly. The others who were focusing on the “January” thing weren't actually addressing the decline, which clearly seems central to his post. I addressed the decline, otherwise it seems like nit-picking.

>>6875966
I felt like the reason most of the fanbase still focus on Twitch is due to 3rd add-ons and integration to interact with the stream instead of the absolute barebore stream view experience we get on Youtube. Especially points, bits, tts and donate to vote, donate to play a random sound is basically the norm on Twitch and make everything much more interactive.

>>6878931
Both Nenechi and Pekora got slightly worse than usual views with it while FBK seems to have gotan a decent buff

>>6890764
you ignored the graph. like most YouTube content creators january to april is their lwoest month of views.