/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>68686280
this post glows

The situation is dire. We need another donothon.

Turns out they recruited too many shitters who are stinking up the place.

Aviel, they're fucking another one!

>>68686280
Not suprising since the company was formed by jews

>>68686280
Too much focus on cunny and GFE

>>68686365
Yeah, me

>>68686280
How long until it's revealed she's also a literal whore that is fucking her paypigs?

QRD? Or just vagueposting?

>>68686477
Ironic that their biggest success is Rin who is the opposite of either of these things. Makes me wonder how that even happened.

>>68686341
As long as Rin is streaming. Everything is ok. Fugget about it goy

>>68686532
She's something fresh

>>68686280
This isnt real btw

>>68686520
She ghosted her fans after 2 donothons. This is the second time she's having a menhera attack after he fans complained that she doesn't stream.

I'm just mad that Idol had and still has potential to be big and this is their moment but they aren't doing anything. Why? I hate seeing people waste their potential.

>>68686280
Just checked twitter, and this post was not there. Why do you lie, op?

>>68686660
Easy (You)s. Average /vt/ard is incapable of stressing his neurons beyond reading a thumbnail's caption

>>68686621
Anon, Idol is mid level corpo. Plus they have serious stuff to worry about thats homeland related. Just, give them time.

>>68686621
Israeli gov is a little busy

>>68686621
I think there's a lot going on behind the scenes, given their main manager was fucking at least one of the girls maybe more. And Aviel is probably a bit distracted by the war. Supposedly VSPO is helping now--who knows if that is helping or hurting things. It's definitely a missed opportunity. They should definitely all be begging the crap out of Doki for a collab in the next two weeks though.

>>68686721
>And Aviel is probably a bit distracted by the war.

I really hope he's fine. I do like his idols.

>>68686660
It's a good job posts are carved in stone on x.com so we never have instances where things get deleted after they cause drama.

>>68686532
Rin is just an autist that wants to play splatoon, she maintains her success by just streaming and not caring about drama.

>>68686280
If she comes back for Valentines and then fucks off for another month I will laugh

>>68686611
>>68686660
https://archive.is/shiI7
Retards

>>68686520
She wants money, but she doesn't wanna stream for it. She's gonna be the first donothon vtuber, no regular streams, only donothons

>>68686719
Yeah they gotta worry about murdering all those palestinian children before they can escape kek

>>68686721
Aviel is 100% prepping Idol so he can sell it to Brave group in the future.

>>68686280
>lightmode
>europoor
yikes

>>68686785
>>68686806
I see.

Well its deleted. I suspect it was because some dumbfuck unicorn had to accuse her of "ghosting" them. And honestly its better it stays deleted. Op is a faggot for attaching himself to needless drama like a leech.

>>68686316
Fpbp

>>68686905
Yeah well he's doing a subpart job at it if there is this much strife leaking out

>>68686792
Lmao what a cunt
Dude literally just asks to consider their feelings and she pretty much says her fans feelings don't matter.

>>68686792
That reads like she's taking her fan's loyalty for granted too much.
You're a mid-tier online entertainer, if you're going to lean into the parasocial angle but then look the opposite of dedicated to your fans you'll lose too much relevance. She can't make it with just people that "truly care" (i.e. are happy with whatever crumbs they can get).

>>68686621
>Why?
Grew too fast and didn't hire enough managers to tard wrangle. Now their retards are out of control.

>>68686532
Got lucky with shorts abuse. Aggressive boring personality and taste.

>>68686943
Can't tell if Pochi simp or Pochi herself deflecting again.
She's a well known thread reader and often defends her own bullshit in threads.

>>68686943
Hey Pochi if you're reading this MARRY ME

>>68686621
Because their huge incline was off coomer content and it fell off. Rin is the exception but after she gained huge strides she decided to sabotage herself.

>>68687007
Even if you don't like her, she's still the pillar of Idol. Without her, it's just a bunch of menhera retards not streaming because they're too busy fucking fans and managers

>>68686792
Lmao what an entitled cunt, she really had a meltdown over someone asking her to think about her fans feelings?

>>68686792
>>68686943
>some dumbfuck unicorn had to accuse her of "ghosting" them
That is one of the possible results of pandering to the highly lucrative yet highly volatile unicorn audience. They can be a streamer's best friends or worse enemies. Unfortunately, one of the most dreadful results of playing with fire is coming to pass. What surprises me is that these extremely parasocial people are engaging in behaviors that encourage chuubas to run away. They are their own worst enemy.

>>68687087
TBF if you read that whole thread that "fan" was negging her on. She should have just ignored it and let other fans pounce on them.

If you care about your smaller talents tell them that they should fake a suicide attempt. Larger corpos just introduced this meta and it really gets the money and views going.

>>68687093
>Fan of another vtuber asks her to at least consider how others feel
NOOOO THOSE EVIL PARASOCIAL FUCKS!!! SHE DOESN'T OWE YOU ANYTHING!!!
ok

>>68686792
>ME ME ME
People who supporting my lifestyle actually don’t matter at all!

Also Pochi redesign was a huge mistake.

>>68687135
I just looked it up, he is holding her responsible for her own actions, but I guess that is a cardinal sin in the vtuber community, nothing he said is wrong and his replies to her aren't rude at all unless you purposely make them out to be. They just hit her too close to home and she had a bitch fit.

Something is definitely happening behind the scenes. Idol HE was supposed to have re-debuts last year. The Tomer business might have shifted the schedule, but it's getting late.
I wonder if they have trouble finding a buyer and are trying to sign talents up for full-length contract before striking a deal. I imagine the girls that want to get left in a Embracer-like train wreck.

>>68687151
You forgot your Enna image

>>68686280
Yuko is still missing?

>>68687255
Was supposed to be: don't want to get left in a Embracer-like train wreck.

>>68686943
The copiest cope that ever coped.

>>68686280
Coni, Roca, Yuko, Rin, Leprecunny, Poko (also cunny) are all fine.

Momo is dying of giga aids or some shit.

Juna is probably also fine, I forgot the other ones, Katta is fine, Nikki is fine.

Pochi has been brainfucked since the beginning.

>>68687160
Pochi and Yuko have a sizeable audience overlap aka the chumbuds who went to other cunny streamers during gura's frequent breaks. Some of them found they liked the smaller more intimate streamers and remained. These are the people who are angry at Yuko and Pochi. There isn't any fan exclusivity there. Both Yuko and Pochi's fans are loyal to Gura, some of them are just holding out longer.

Really looking forward to Roca's new cover. Think I'll listen to her "The Pretender" cover again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TpVFW9qkkc

>>68687216
CUNNY AND LOLIDOG GOOD!

>>68687281
>debut success fuelled by chumbuds starving because of Gura ghosting them
>Ghosts those exact same fans

>>68687160
If my favorite TV show has production problems and season 2 is delayed, I watch something else.
These people could learn to do the same

>>68687135
In fairness, that is a problem with some talents like Yuko and Pochi. They enjoy the money and popularity that comes with a parasocial fanbase, but not really the work or the trouble that comes with that.
And its not even like what he's saying is anything offensive, he's just saying "Radio silence is never good".

>>68687281
No she's at home playing league every day with her BF while ghosting her fans after she got found out to have been faking her GFE for an entire year and completely let her mask drop. She spends most of her time talking to her old fans from her PL who are unironic convicted pedophiles while they make fun of her fans in their private discord

No this is sadly not a shit post

>>68687316
Roca is pretty based, I do love her stuff. She's my favourite non-Holo to watch

>>68686280
*sigh*
Anon I need more than your schizo rambling to understand what I'm supposed to look at. Could you be a sweetheart and write an essay on the topic?

>>68687316
>Yuko
>fine
Her flip flopping between wanting to do PL content or Yuko content and a tone deaf lolxdsorandumb tweet after a long silence is anything but fine.
>>68687388
Maybe she's scared that the King is back. Many lesser women cower in fear from the Shork

>>68686621
Israel shekels are busy flattening arabs right now, not enough for Idol grants.

>>68687360
>be chumbud
>Gura abandons you
>move on to Yuko
>Yuko abandons you
Who will adopt chumbuds now?

>>68687664
>Her flip flopping between wanting to do PL content or Yuko content and a tone deaf lolxdsorandumb tweet after a long silence is anything but fine.
I'm aware that you retards spend all your time doomposting about her in your thread but she's fine.

>>68687720
She just streamed

>>68687726
Lmao no she isnt, at least in terms of her vtubing career

>>68687360
>Target Gura's leftovers
>Profit
>Think you have as much leverage as Gura so you ghost your fans thinking they'll take it
>Fans are openly not happy
>Blame it on the unicorns
You reap what you sow

>>68687726
She's been absent for well over a month anon, she hasn't even tweeted in February and she should be at home now that she's no longer on vacation. Things aren't fine with her, nor is she "fine" compared to other idol girls in her gen like Fuyo.
So much for "We are so back".

Idol is already in the sights of Brave Group. They'll be eaten soon to go with V4Mirai and the soon-to-exist VspoEN. A triple-threat group.

>>68687316
>Yuko
>fine
lmao

>>68687388
TBF she is an actual ghost

>>68686571
Didn’t she decline to pretty much exactly where she was before she got 500k subs from doing shorts? I’m pretty sure she’s just another shitter nowadays

>>68687634
Ogey Rosebud. Idolcorp (henceforth known as Idol) recently Terminated 1 talent and 1 manager for many things including said talent and manager having a sexual relationship behind the scenes.
Since that time
>Idol's number 2 in CCV, Yuko, ignored her current audience to hang with her past audience from her PL
>CEO Aviel made a deal with Brave Group where Brave would run part of Idol's business (merch and a few other things)
>the same corp who terminated Game-Bu and bought VSPO
>this partial merger has freaked out both talents and fans
morale is low

>>68687316
Katta and Nikki are unfireable.
Rin is the standout, she's fine.
Juna is holding Eskai together behind the scenes - fine
Fuyo, Kai and Poko are creatively driven. Fine
Yuko and Pochi have been erratic personality wise
Momo is Juna's nepohire - fine, but she has to watch her toxicity levels
Roca is on cruise control. Fine.

>>68686280
She's honestly more upset about the fans piling on about going 'radio silent' after some tough personal stuff and whatever the heck management talked with her about.

>>68687879
Not even, her lore is that she's supposed to be a ghost buster.

>>68687894
In retrospect I'm glad for the russian whore who got off the ride earlier.

>>68687093
>noo they can’t send out a tweet once a day, it’s just too much to handle
How do people like you function in society? You know actual jobs make you come in 40 hours a week and don’t give a fuck if you’re feeling a little down

>>68687949
At least all her suffering related to this public humiliation happened all at once instead of the other girls who have this drag out and live in fear of what the brave group or the fans might do.

>>68687894
>>68687675
>>68686621
I cant blame Aviel. Selling out seems like a bad idea, but it may be only his choice if he can't get funding. And acquiring Idol would be a booster to Brave Group in matching Cover and Anycolor. I just hope the talents can keep trucking.

>>68688049
The dude just accelerated way too fast, saw a decent amount of success and flew too close to the sun.

They don’t own you anything you incels fucktards

>>68686280
If they’re running to vshojo then vshojo is their first choice so it’s number 2

>>68688126
She owes me cunny, you fucking roasty.

>>68688119
Can't blame him. He was doing fine until the war happened. At least I can give him that he's trying his best, unlike a certain other guy and his yacht fleet

This is why you don't support donothons, they are always scams. Especially the idol ones

>>68688126
They owe the fans the donothon rewards they paid for.

>>68687841
best for talents, honestly.
They can take Rin and Endless, while getting rid of rest.

>>68688187
Is Idol the number 2 choice for fleeing nijifans? Maybe male fans. But Idol is in a position to be the number 4 EN corpo in the West, they had a chance to be the number 3 EN corpo too if they played the game a little better.

>>68688126
Momo owns me earlicking.

>>68688269
They could still bring Fuyo and Juna along for the ride. At least they seem to stream or at least update their fans with some regularity.

>>68688269
Brave getting Rin + Endless which includes Roca is a pretty good deal. Jettisoning the rest of Rin's gen isn't actually that bad now that I think about it.

>>68686532
The algorithm grabbed her and arbitrarily decided to make her a star.

>>68686280
For context this bitch had a donothon, went on a break, went menhera over her numbers, then went on a hiatus until she got a loli redesign, which was a downgrade, then went on another break to move to America, had ANOTHER donothon and has been saying she's going to be back soon but then streams 2-3 times and goes away again. Recently she was trying to make an alt on Twitter unaffiliated to Idol so people think she's ready to jump ship, even had a design ready but it's deleted now.

>>68688421
For Roca's sake I hope that means even more musical opportunities.

>>68688119
They're still teasing the ES branch, so it's not stopping anytime soon.

>>68686532
She leeched hard on the shorts meta

>>68688269
2bh I began liking Fuyo more when I found out about her indie past.
Would follow her if she decides to continue that route.

>>68686532
It's a double edge sword. Her success with shorts flagged her account as a short account so the algorithm punishes her when she streams. The new short streaming might give her another boost though.

>>68686613
don't forget she got a redebut too because she was unhappy with her model, jumping ahead of Idol's first gen members who have been left in limbo without Idol giving them publicity for over a year

>>68688468
Me too, anon. It's honestly baffling how little Idol has tried to get Roca's musical talent out there. They spent so much more money and effort on Riro who... just doesn't really have all that impressive amount of musical talent.

>>68686280
What's going on with Pochi?
>Why isn't Aviel doing anything?
Probably kinda busy being bombed.

>>68687892
That's ehy she stopped doing them, short subs are worthless.

>>68688645
read the thread

>>68686621
don't worry, Idol ES is coming soon. they'll be making so much ARS

>>68688442
She seems like an all around bad person, like the average liberal woman or some shit.

>>68688392
>>68688544
wasn't there something about Fuyo and Juna following Yuko?

>>68688616
weird how kyoresu could put out so much great music but all we got with Riro was the og song and the ghost thing with fuyo

>>68687068
Coomer content almost always falls off. It is a balancing act and the moment you lean to much into the content the coomers coom and the spell wears off and they start finding the content boring and move on. See Belle Delphine as an example. The moment she took the dick on camera everyone stopped caring.

>>68688616
can you believe that Brave Group invited Idol to their EN talent Christmas concert thing, and instead of sending Roca, Idol sent fucking Fuyo and Yuko and their jew girls? How do you not do everything you possibly can to ensure Roca gets involved with that concert?

>>68688442
>Recently she was trying to make an alt on Twitter unaffiliated to Idol so people think she's ready to jump ship, even had a design ready but it's deleted now.
Isn't that Yuko?

>>68687841
Globie...

>>68687823
>>68687848
Look ghostgroids I'm not going to entertain your doomposting.

>>68688725
They followed each other as their roommates, but Fuyo and Juna IIRC just went back to streaming for Idol.

>>68686532
rin is an extremely strange case where she's desperate for fame but is also perfectly content to stream pikmin 3 for seven hours straight (literally)

>>68687896
You forgot Conrad.

>>68686792
>Those who truly care wouldn't put their feelings first over my well-being
Holy fucking shit.

>>68686532
people say rin gamed the short meta but that was just her being an autistic woman with a temporary hyperfixation

Weakbuds need to fuck off forever from this hobby.

>>68688474
I don’t really predict that IdolES is gonna bring much in terms of returns. Normally I’d say that it’s fine for them to break into a new market, even if the viewership is small compared to EN, but i don’t think it’s a great idea for idol right now to be throwing money at a new gen in a market thats been fairly untested. Maybe they strike gold here but I think it’s a big gamble.

>>68688910
ok chumcuck

>>68688269
Don't know about the others but Rin would be an awful fit for V4M. Then again she doesn't really line up well with her genmates either

>>68686280
i think they are looking for a riro replacement. i will bet money they are sniping big indies

>>68688861
Damng, seven hours straight? What a wild child. I bet she drinks her milk in the morning and makes her bed too.

>>68686571
I like roca

>>68688126
factually wrong https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nCac7-qvQsV2Pfpq2uvtVtO38TpxTYt7RfH2W5Jllfs/

So why did Yuko crawl back to her old groomers?

>>68689059
because she is retarded and a bad person

>>68689059
just having her weekends to play Arma with the bros wasn't enough for her

3rd Donothon incoming

>>68689021
There should be more stuff like this when it comes to making goals for their fans.

>>68689156
5-day Donothon was one of goals for Yuko.

>>68689021
Your mentality ill and need to touch grass

>>68689059
She's not smart anon. If she was, she wouldn't try to juggle two online personas at once, and she never would have kept in touch with the group of groomers that shat on her paying fanbase tobegin with.

>>68689059
>>68689109
>>68689135
Wild that she did GFE while mocking her fans behind their backs the entire time
Surprising that she grew a shred of morality and started to regret her actions but it was way too late, figured someone that evil would never start to regret her actions.

>>68689182
couldn't even be bothered to write a generic "thank you" letter to her top 10 donators

>>68689208
Shut the fuck up, nigger. No one fucking cares what you think.

>>68688442
But why? The corp actually seem pretty dtable and she was gaining numbers, whats there to complain about?

>>68688806
They both did it, Pochi's was more on the down low

>>68689220
But holos do that all the time, so why is it bad for Idol talents?

>>68689283
The weakbuds are shitting things up, or course there is reason to complain.

>>68688616
Guess that proves Riro was fucking and Roca is clean. If Roca was as dirty as Riro she would've been promoted just as much.

>>68689228
Cute asian girl buff while also having western women debuff, bad combination.

Isn't Idol the company where one of their talents drank her own piss on stream?

>>68689402
Yes
>>68689320

>>68689377
RICH western woman debuff btw, her parents are fucking loaded.

I'm just glad Momo will be back soon

>>68689360
Roca has a pretty solid history of just not being in the way of a shitstorm. It's impressive honestly. Things implode left right and center an she just walks through it all without getting dirty.

>>68689297
Proof next thread?

>>68689268
Shut the fuck up bitch I would mob your ass so hard

>>68689441
you arent allowed to RM/doxpost holos only literally everyone else except Pippa

>>68688781
Roca took part in Yoki's concert that day that had way more eyes on it than the one idol was in

>>68689320
>I don't want to play with you anymore
Not
>I don't wanau play with you anymore
You had 1 job

>>68689430
Momo was the only Idol girl I tried to give a chance to but she was boring as fuck.

>>68686504
as long as it's not the manager, the boss or someone from the company

>>68689297
I dont think its a really smart idea to split your fanbase between two personas either, because then your time is split between the two and you risk not really benefitting fully on either account. I think its best to keep it as an emergency back up like Doki or to post examples of your work like Fuyo/Juna.
What Yuko did in this instance though was very dumb. While on break she confused her fans by saying "WE ARE SO BACK" while also posting about how she was at a crossroads in life, reactivating her roommate account and encouraging people to follow her there. And then she made the bad decision to follow some old groomers, one of whom actively went out of his way to provoke her fans on here and Twitter. And then she followed up with radio silence on both accounts. She could not have handled it any worse.

>>68686280
what is she talking about?

>>68688924
In my opinion it was just bad timing. Had the war not happened, the funds would have still kept coming in, making an Idol Es a worthwhile risk to take. But now without that source of funding, I agree. Again, its just bad timing.

>>68689435
I consider her a pillor of Idol, much like Rin. I am banking that if Idol Corp sees this through, it would be in part thanks to her efforts.

>>68689431
>cute
>asian
>rich parents
>still decides to date b***k dudes
>drinks piss on stream
Feel bad for her dad ngl

>>68686721
He moved to the US

>>68689780
>still decides to date b***k dudes
she is a piece of shit but try not to insert your own cuck fetish into her very real behavior of being a terrible person

>>68689703
>Had the war not happened, the funds would have still kept coming in
That's the risk involved with relying on OPM (other peoples' money). They can cut you off at any time for any reason. Aviel could have considered this and kept something aside for a rainy day, in this case a rain of missiles, and he did do this in a way by forging connections with the Brave Group ahead of time but I wish his backup plan was a little better.

>>68686792
Man I knew this bitch gave off bad vibes ever since day 1.

>>68689910
funny that 2 of the biggest earners are basically going to lose all their financial support now because they refuse to stop being entitled cunts

interesting that OP skipped over the supposed 3rd company.. almost like he doesnt want attention being paid to them...

>>68689644
nta but like a month or so ago PC Shiina raided her and Yuko didn't acknowledge her or the raid at all which I thought was weird.I know it's anecdotal, but might have some relevance.

>>68687160
Unironically yes.

>>68686571
Prince of trannies.

>>68686532
Rin just leeched gura
And then had to deal with the gura fanbase

>>68690088
>doing an RP stream
OMG SISTER SHE DIDNT READ OUT THE RAID
phase shitters really do have the most pathetic bait

>>68689283
>whats there to complain about
Maybe she wants to get more money for less effort, like her two donothons?

>>68690088
Nene Amano from Kawaii raided Rin and Rin ignored her.
Maybe it's an edict from management to ignore other corpos. But that can't be right, Idol has done collabs with other corpos recently. Like the Valentines Karaoke thing.

>>68690140
You spelled Yuko wrong

>>68689822
The problem is the association. He may have moved, but it was still founded in Israel. And initially funded by their money, perhaps part of some charm offensive. I can see why he wants to sell off Idol to the Brave Group, especially if the conflict does not end.

>>68686280
Yeah but with Aviels twitter announcement with 6.8 million views people now see them as used onaholes than idols. Because he was either sharing the same skirt with the talent manager that was fucking riro or he was an unironic unicorn for riro because no one in other vtuber agencies care who their vtubers fuck on the side. I don't think either idol or nijisanji can grow anymore because even Penrose who use to be a 2k andy is now a 3 view.

>>68690503
the bubble is ready to burst

>>68690503
cant believe they were flying in and out of a warzone just to bang one of their talents.

Despite my love for Fuyo I do feel that cunny meta ruined IdolEN also we need more Kat's feet and more hags in general I'm tired of lolies desuRIP Nina

>>68686280
Thats what she gets for throwing away her perfect design for loli shit

>>68689839
That parts been pretty much been confirmed anon

>>68690762
no, it really hasnt shitter kun
you and the other phase shitters spamming it on kiwifarms and in your thread doesnt make it true

>>68686280
Sure ill bite, but only because i think Pochi is a lazy entitled, and boring Vtuber.

>>68690762
No they haven't.
Post proof retard.
Eat the 3 day vacation, I will Start posting about this when it's brought up and vouch for you in the future.
However, you have nothing.

Idols main attraction is doing membership streams with blowjob asmrs and footjobs on items for coomer audience and I am sure if VAllure comes into youtube idol will just decline more I doubt majority of vtuber fans are /pol/cels which is why they don't watch idol for being ran by a jew.

>>68689703
While it was bad timing, even before this I thought they were accelerating too fast. I understand that you have to spend money to make money if you really wanna break into a new market, but as a business owner you have to be spending money that you’re prepared to lose in case of unexpected circumstances. We just came out of covid too so people should be really well aware of what can happen if things don’t go according to plan.

I need her to come back and lick my ears again

>>68691216
The coomer shit is what filtered me from idol desu, some of their chuubas are really quite talented but I just find that content cringy and reminiscent of the twitch camgirls that I watched vtubers to avoid. If I wanted to jerk off I’d just turn off the stream and go jerk off, when I’m watching a stream I just wanna watch funny streamers play video games.

>>68691434
I personally don't think it was too fast. They have about the same amount of talents as V&U, a south korean corpo, and the latter is far smaller. It should also be remembered that they started with a somewhat "failed" gen, and thus they only really have two proper gens. (not counting Riro) No, to me it was really the bad timing. I think Aviel is in a tricky position, but I do think he can actually steer his company out of the current mess. And hopefully without having to make the sale to Brave

>>68691714
Coomer content pays the bills. A few of them even had foot pics as their top donothon rewards as well.

>>68691790
It isn’t just the amount of talents, but the very aggressive advertising that I was concerned about too, advertising is good but they’ve clearly been overspending in that area, especially with the debuts and donothons which they have been unable to meet their obligations for. This happened to a lesser extent with IdolHE, the advertising campaign was really good but once the Israeli talents actually debuted they kinda under delivered. Not that I really blame them, they were a new company that probably didn’t have many applicants in Israel, but the first gen required some time to get comfortable other than Katta and Lily who started fairly strong.

>>68692284
>coomer content pays the bills
Does it? You get wierd shit like Eien when you do that.

>>68692435
Only thing I think that was too far as far as advert spending and likely a decent waste of cash was idol headline sponsorship of off-kai (I think that was the convention) which really got them absolutely nothing in return.

>>68686943
Post more feet pics pochi

>>68692620
For a lot of small vtubers they rely on either coomer, asmr or gfe content for easy SC.
Back in the day Aviel even said that Idol was only in the black because of all the donothon spam they did.

>>68690625
TBF a certain European country is a one-hour flight away from Israel

>>68691216
A lot of coombaiting vtubers are done for once Vallure debuts, not just Idol. I kept waiting for Yuko to finally deliver on her "spicy" asmr she's been promising ever since debuting but now I know that whatever Riifu comes up with will mog it anyway.

>>68691093
I've seen the rrat before so I was curious and looked into it. This seems to be the catalyst?: >>46018079
I don't feel like looking into it anymore though as I've already wasted too much time.

>>68693638
He is a married black dude who lives in the UK and she has been friends with him since like middle school because of Roblox
that is literally all there is to the rrat

>>68686280
damn

>>68688963
She worked well as a point of contrast and a kind of straight man in collabs, the early full gen collabs were pretty good.
But that's not necessarily a base from strong individual relationships - she only ever seemed to click with Juna.

>>68688974
>riro replacement
Roca is already, with barley any support from Idol itself, way above Riro at least when it comes to music. Roca's MVs are way more popular despite just having a single or a few art assets and text that get used (with admittedly good direction and editing) for the whole video.
Imagine if Roca instead of Riro got the fucking support that this MV got https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3GawQdlpNU

>>68693713
I had a feeling it was bullshit

>>68694050
of course it was, it was a literal open kiwifarms raid where they just admitted they were raiding

>>68689435
It also hints at what holds her back, though. She's not that charismatic and kind of drifts on by instead of making the big impact her singing could do.

>>68694044
What's fucking hilarious is that Roca has said that she wasn't picked up by Idol for her music talent. They just completely lucked into selecting one of the best available vocal talents for apparently other reasons.

>>68694285
Idol is great at finding talent, they just blow ass at tard wrangling which is the most important thing a vtuber corpo needs

>>68694320
You can see the reasoning behind a disaster like Riro, but Pochi has been a bad hire all down the line.

>>68694044
Kyoresu MVs have surpassed anything Roca put out.
Doubt Aviel knows anything about music. He saw what numbers Kyo's music pulled and what numbers Roca's music pulled and he invested in Kyo. Or maybe he left all the music decisions to Tomer the idol boner.

The reason why Selen came back and Yuko didn't is because dragoons had a really good hashtag in #whereisselen
We need a good hashtag too like #cummiesforyuko'scunny or #imissthepissgirl
Surely one of these will bring her back

>>68686280
Man, imagine the embarrassment if Niji falls behind Idol. Even Aster is beating half of their talent right now. NijiEN would have to fold entirely for that to h appen.

>>68686792
>situation is complex
>don't make assumptions
>crying most days

This has to do with a boyfriend doesn't it? People that say don't make assumptions always have something to hide.

>>68687374
Man, her art in the Pretender thumbnail is so much better than her actual model.

>>68694212
I think thats more of an issue with managers not knowing what to do with her musical talent. Roca seems to be charismatic enough, and the success of her weekly karaoke is a testament to that, but she mentioned that management did not hire her for her musical talent and it seems they are holding back on doing much with it. Hell, they couldnt even help their actual vsinger riro with that. Shame really.

>>68686621
>I hate seeing people waste their potential.
At last I meet another person that thinks in the same way as I. Yes, it is frustrating seeing how chuubas or companies could be doing better if they had a different approach but they rather let the golden chance slip through the fingers.
There's a reason why there's a saying "Strike while the iron is still hot".

>>68687892
800 CCV average for January, which puts her nicely in front of Coni and Roca who both sat at ~500. Is that where she was before?

>>68694044
Riro joined at a time where Idol was very ambitious. They've now entered a """strategic partnership""" with Brave Group. Reading in between the lines, Idol is running out of money. No money, no support.
Despite the shit going on at Idol, Roca remains drama free, releases killer covers and has a healthy community around her.
God I love Roca.

>>68686613
when will retards realize this is going to keep happening and stop supporting donothons?

>>68686280
I actually like Pochi on a personal level but the problem of honestly all vtubing orgs is that their talent pool is comprised of terminally online women who tend to be disproportionately menhara as a consequence.

Japan manages to sidestep this because anime/manga adjacent content is more mainstream, so there's a bigger proportion of the population implicitly engaging with mediums including vtubing - giving you a far broader talent pool, which isn't true in the West.

I think Juna should fuck Rin.

>>68694212
If anything that just sounds like a grindset to me. Roca's been extremely unlucky throughout her entire career but despite that, she's still going strong. Just wish she had actual support for her music, which is something that seems to be non existent in the EN sphere.

>>68687250
You absolutely cannot be honest with vtubers like this. Constructive criticism, no matter how politely delivered, is unwelcome. You will be positive or say nothing at all. This is a current and ongoing problem in this space, and it's why anonymous boards like this are the only place to have any meaningful discussion.

>>68695485
At least Jamstones can be happy that they'll be getting an EP in the future, assuming idol doesn't completely shut its doors if they can't raise any more funding.

>>68695533
>only place to have any meaningful discussion.
I wouldn't call month long meltdown that /jidf/ had over Yuko and Pochi a meaningful thing

>>68695533
>You will be positive or say nothing at all.
I hate this mindset with all my heart, I don't get why would you expose yourself at a work that requires social skills and being able to handle criticism or shitlifting left and right.
And I hate some fans trying to build hugboxes so their favourite vtuber doesn't hear anything that isn't a praise to her.

>streamer
truly the hardest job on this planet. Imagine if your plumber was like "sory I can't fix your broken pipe because I'm le sad today"

Why vtubers like to pretend grabbing your phone and saying something like "today I had chicken for dinner" while on a break is the hardest shit ever to do? The average viewer is happy to just have that in the middle of a break

>>68696318
The vtubing community as a big problem of toxic positivity, no one wants to be that guy that hurt the feelings of his oshi while everyone wants to be the guy that protected her against the "evil guys"

>>68686280
(((they))) control the news, the traditional media, the vidya and now (((they))) are coming for our hobby

Roca karaoke in 5 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXnbjPoJ_vA

>>68688474
>>68688924
Ñ-fag here, spanish vtuber scene is riddled with even more drama and it requires a whole different approach to profit from it since we are broke. Numbers-wise they might be fine though.

>>68696956
How tf do you profit from people who are broke?
They going to sell idol brand cocaine?

>>68696683
YWNBP

>>68695758
I didn't say every discussion is meaningful. Just that there is nothing of value on twitter or ytc

>>68686532
its weird seeing all these weird theories about muh algo here. she became popular because she made shorts consistently and a lot of them were hits and people that didnt know her found out about her that way. if people watch your shorts to the end that means its good and it gets recommended more. the youtube algo is literally that simple

pochi has always been a whiny bitch, idol bends over backwards for her. she brings the whole gen down. then youve got katta and Nikki happily working their asses off and nobody watching, it's not fair

>>68686792
God she is such a nasty bitch lmao, always running away with a tail between her legs at the sign of any heat she can draw to herself. Glad I didn't get into her last spring, when she was doing the same menhera shit as now, imagine having that as your oshi.

I don't understand why anyone would watch a GFE company that has had a public sex scandal. Am I missing something? Why would you trust the other talents?

>>68688126
fuck off juna

your corpo is a fiasco kek

>>68697567
Especially after a lot of them were overly friendly to the same manager that got caught. I think a lot of idolcucks are in denial that their oshi could stoop to Riro's level. Only difference between her and the other girls was that she got caught.

>Katta used to be in a relationship with Aviel
>Tomer was fired for supposedly doing the same

>>68697567
>>68697930
If you like someone enough you'll give them the benefit of the doubt, simple as
Turning on someone with no evidence just because an associate did something stupid is, well, stupid

>>68698322
Oy vey, shut it down!

>>68697930
>only difference
People knew the kind of person that kyo was (well, still is), her affinity for clubbing and narcotics in particular. The other Idol girls don't really come close to her in that regard.

what is Rin doing in this garbage camwhore company

I think the real problem is that they are too lax.
If you let women decide what to do with their channels stuff like this happens.

>>68698837
Being an IdolEN, those whores are like extras so Rin can shine even better in comparison

>>68697567
I mean they did nuke the whore from orbit

>>68686477
There's never enough focus on cunny

>>68698872
The problem is that it’s difficult to tighten the leash after they’ve already been given so much slack, they’ll probably just feel like management is holding them back.

>>68688865
Right, the clown. I don't know what to make of her. Her PL raises some flags for me, but she seems to have calmed down somewhat since.

>>68696683
>now
Anon, go look who holds major shares in VSPO, Nijisanji and Brave Group. Hell, they are arguably the reason why Kizuna AI died.
>>68697021
NTA. I have no fucking idea; MOST spanish speaking people with money to spend can speak english already. And any audience that doesn't speak english is most likely composed of normies.

>>68697648
Someone can't handle honesty.

>>68686280
Isn't that the girl Gabe dumped Kronii for

>>68686280
Not the best woman moment to have right when Idol is benefiting from keeping a low profile while NijiEN's constant yabbing is gathering everyone's attention. This is the time to silently recover, not cause more drama.

EN3 and ES1 can't come fast enough.

>>68686280
>where is Yuko
WELL WELL WELL what did you learn, Boochuds? Once ghosted, always ghosted. You lose again.

>Watch jew company
>Be subjected to jewish tricks
what can you do?

All I know about Idol is that Kai is cute and can be pretty creative with her streams.

>>68699426
I think he was watching Yuko and Juna; then went to EIEN where he was one of more sane fans and ended up in PixelLink.

>>68697021
Membership subs, i guess. Constantly throwing money in superchats? nah, unless they like argentinian peso kek.

WACTOR really lucked out because japanese girls speaking spanish was a novelty at that time and people went the extra mile to support them.

>>68696819
God I love Roca. Best vtuber voice and music taste, and only girl I watch a lot from idol. Coni is alright too.

I thought Yuko was done with the whole PL shit and was back? Is she still fucking around in her other account?

>>68686280
I swear to fucking God, what the fuck is wrong with vtubers. All they have to do is to stream them playing game for 2h couple times in a week and if they are tired they still can Tweet stuff like "today I watched funny cat videos, I feel refreshed and soon will come back with more energy"
For those menhera any other job would be comparable to being fucking fisherman on the North Sea. They would kill themselves in a week. And often those are GROWN ASS WOMEN IN THEIR LATE 20'S

>>68697021
All ex-wactor girls went full time chuba so money isn't a problem or else they live in a low living cost country(some Argentine girl says she can eat a week with 15 usd)

>>68689059
money

>>68689228
>Wild that she did GFE while mocking her fans behind their backs the entire time
That's just the norm for GFE chuubas

>>68689059
merch money, simple as, otherwise she wouldn't have gotten pippa of all people to promote her new account

>>68686532
As most have said, her autism allowed her to feel no shame over gaming the shorts meta. I've seen plenty of chuuba's abuse the shorts meta and get viral shorts and then stop because they felt bad about it like it was inauthentic or something, but Rin had zero shame when it came to doing it which as much as I dislike her and her boring as fuck content is still very impressive and something more chubba's need to do if they want to break out to any meaningful degree.

>>68686621
It's not completely their fault, they were doing pretty solid and then Advent turned out to be a hit and gut shot them and almost every other small corpo. They expanded too fast and spent money like a drunken sailor, but if Advent had been as big a dud as Council then they likely would have been able to continue to capitalize on the continued decline of HoloEN. Advent being good was basically a Black Swan event for most of the small corpo scene. Hopefully, they'll be able to capitalize on the implosion of Niji EN, but given the rash move of selling out to Brave, I'm really not sure the company can recover.

>>68688806
both, but unironically nobody cares about Pochi

>>68686621
their head manager was busy grooming the talents
ofcourse they ended up shitting the bed bro

>>68686792
lmao look at all these sensitive fucks being mad about a girl not having thick skin
You fucks are disgusting and it hurts her mental reading your shit

>>68688269
eat shit, Fuyo is fantastic, why would they take the gen 2 shitters with lower numbers over her and Juna?

>>68703829
lmao Rye is rebranding right now to go back to her old groomers HAHAHA

dogshit thread, kill yourselves

>>68704597
seethe harder ponpup

>>68702760
>pippa of all people
Why wouldn't she talk with Pippa? They have known each other for a long time.
>new account
You don't know what you're talking about.
>promote
Are you sure that happened?

>>68702892
>if they want to break out to any meaningful degree.
Ignoring your weird hallucinations about "shame", why do you act like she got any meaningful growth out of the 500k dead subs?

>>68702000
I think she made less money on her roommate than she ever did as Yuko. If she's loaded then its probably nothing more complicated than Yuko having a woman moment or her just wanting to say "FUCK YOU DAD, YOU DONT UNDERSTAND. THESE GROOMERS ARE FAT AND ONE OF THEM KNEW A CONVICTED PEDO BUT THEY'RE STILL DECENT PEOPLE"

>>68705021
>Ignoring your weird hallucinations about "shame"
what are you bitching about? Most chuubas don't like gaming the shorts meta and many have said as much because it feels inauthentic.
>why do you act like she got any meaningful growth out of the 500k dead subs?
are you straight retarded? Yes, the vast majority of those subs are children who don't watch streams, but enough of them do watch to meaningfully increase her CCV beyond her genmates and most other small corpos.
I do not like Rin, I think her content is bad, but pretending that she isn't doing better than most other small corpo chuubas is delusional.
>>68704765
I think he's referring to Pippa retweeting Yuko's PL which is about the extent of the "Promotion"

>>68705021
if you watched her streams you'd know that she cares about subs number going up and outside of that is happy to play Pikmin or rambling about Splatoon lore.

>>68697021
>>68699288
Spanish Youtube has been growing quite a bit in the last few years. There's a not-insignificant bunch of Spanish Minecraft creators that cropped up a while back that are making bank.

>>68702892
>Advent turned out to be a hit and gut shot them and almost every other small corpo
And yet Phase inclined after Advent debuted. Seems like the problem is more with the content of idol's vtubers and not with Advent.

>>68705483
I mean getting what's arguably your biggest competitor to promote your alt is a pretty big insult to your boss

>>68687720
Poko is literally a Chumbud with separation anxiety caused by Gura not streaming who gets depressed if she goes a few days without streaming.

Does this make them the fifth

>>68686316
>this post glows
Mossad accusing others of glowing is the funniest shit I have read all day. Thanks for the laugh.

>>68702892
>feel no shame over gaming the shorts meta
I have no idea if she felt shame but she was forced to do a tard wrangling stream since her chat was so shit from the audience her shorts brought in

>>68686621
>I hate seeing people waste their potential.
And yet you're posting here. Curious! (Yeah, I know, me too.)

this company was doomed to fail from the beginning. it's sad how it gets to live on with daddy brave money now.

>>68707872
they had a good start, at least with the EN branch, but seeing how they treated kyO made me lose faith in the company overall.

>>68708007
E-sekai had great timing since they debuted when over half of HoloEN wasn't streaming and Lazulight was gone for a extended trip to Japan. Many people were missing their oshis and wanted to watch somebody

>>68702000
I NEED TO CUM IN HER TUMMY

>>68708007
their "good start" was based on throwing money at the wall. it was all artificial. it was never going to last. now they only get to keep going while on lifesupport from brave.

>Talking about a company because they terminated someone who needed to be terminated
Shitchan on it again

>>68694990
Yes it is… so my point has been proven, the shorts subs did literally nothing and are probably more of a hinderence for her since the youtube algorithm factors in viewer to subscriber ratio. If they see that most of your subscribers aren’t watching, they aren’t gonna recommend your channel to new people

Frustrated by the lack of escalation from Doki, dramaniggers found comfort in ordinary menhera episode, I see

I actually remember both Yuko and Pochi being my favorites but I stopped watching both after a while, looked like it was for the best

Also, watch Poko she is cute

>>68708358
I fully admit I only watched her debut and she seemed like Yuko 2.0 to be me, how did she end up differentiating herself?

>>68708418
Actually streams vidya frequently.

>>68708219
when the only info about the situation comes from the company itself, its hard not to doubt their words.

>>68708418
She is comfy, soft and has a cute accent

>>68708496
Yuko used to do that

>>68708660
lmao

>>68708310
Ditto. I haven’t watched Yuko in a while but her Half Life 1 streams were hilarious.

>>68686947
Probably in a secret groomercord with all the paypigs anyway. Obviously no one else matters. Only a matter of time until Riro 2.0

man western vtubing companies having to rely on e-whores, bi-polar bitches, and retarded young girls was obviously going to never end well

>>68708358
>>68708276
>>68694044
Gen 2 is just rock solid. We even have chuubas like roca and coni who have sworn off male collabs

Source:
Roca: https://files.catbox.moe/w1e1ls.mp4
Coni: at my computer at home, i’m at work rn but trust me bros

>>68706694
I agree, also most holos are safe from the shit that plagues small companies. You don't have those that ran off to their PL accounts except a few , those that do are usually pretty open about it Mori/Kiara/I don't know about Kronii.

>>68699426
>>68699734
Wow. Man's been on an odyssey.
>>68702892
They stop abusing shorts because their audience quality gets too normie and chat feels weird. Council wasn't as bad as your making them out to be. It's more like Council being lazy and not streaming and their frequent breaks that made people watch something else. Advent was hired for workhorses and it helps their quality is great too.

>>68706707
Don't make me laugh.
Yuko's biggest competitor is Gura and Pippa's biggest competitor is Lauren Southern. They go for completely different audiences.

>>68709285
Kronii's other self is the one she treats as real
as Yuko seems to be doing now, too
dumb mistake by both of them, crumpling their "golden tickets" because they think their new fans are nerds

>>68709912
Yuko is crumbling not only her pay pigs, but basically everyone who actually supports her, even the normies are mad at her at this point, she is unironically destroying her entire career

I've been waiting for this thread for days, what took so long? I have control F'd Pochi Wanmaru since I saw this post from her. It's a bad look, but the person she was responding to was an absolute asshole. I would have snapped too.

Anyway her new model sucks and it's probably over here for her, unfortunately.

>>68710069
>Anyway her new model sucks
Gayest post in the thread

>>68709912
I don't like that stuff desu, pick your lane and stick with it. What is it with women in the streaming world and their need for twenty alter ego/twitter accounts. I could understand Kronii, holo rules and stuff, afraid to say something wrong, but Yuko...literally piss stream, pretty sure she can be her real self as Yuko just fine.

>>68706185
Finally a decent post. If ES blocktubers found a degree of success maybe ES minecraft vtubers can too.
>>68706694
Phase breaks all known rules of logic. Somehow the ads for their Gen3 boosted their Gen2. Never seen that before. Also their Gen3 is literally an Advent clone.
>>68706914
Poko soothes her separation anxiety by eating

>>68710069
>the person she was responding to was an absolute asshole
Everyone else in this thread seems to side with the asshole over Pochi because apparently he sounds nice even when he's being passive aggressive.

>>68710561
however retarded he is doesn't justify having a stage 5 woman moment

>>68709097
It was in her unarchived karaoke
https://youtu.be/2Qvi5bllids?t=9138

>>68708276
The big events are great and all but sometimes it's the smaller things that have SOVL

>>68710069
I like her new model

>>68708276
Dramamonkys been hitting all of the smaller corpos