/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Maybe the other corpos should stop fucking up

>>68674127
Make your own vtuber company OP

They’re not trying to, the others just keep fucking up

Vshoujo is doing just fine in en. It's the only yang to the holo yin we need.

They really aren't. They only have the YouTube dominance because no streamer picks it over the better platform twitch. Twitch has like 4x YouTube market share for live content.

>>68674127
>cover literally just do thier own thing
>never do anything to block competition
>monopolize
Maybe because your corpo is so fucking trash that's why cover got no competition

I doubt that they'll ever have a "true" monopoly in the market since the west is too averse to the concept of "idol culture", despite the fact that they have something far worse which is wokeism and political discourse that makes their political parties not so different from actual cults. Hololive as a whole, however has cemented itself as the center of vtubing in the west. You are either "Hololive-like" vtubers or you try to be the opposite of Hololive. Vtuber agencies in the last few years have pretty much made either of those two things their entire identity (e.g. NijiEn, VShoujo, jidf, Kawaii, and even Phase)

They're not even trying and they're still winning. I wouldn't recommend putting on rose-tinted glasses though, Cover still isn't perfect in the way they handle their EN branch due to differences in culture, social norms, and content demands, which is the baseline problem with any corpo from any industry expanding overseas.

>>68674127
They're gonna have to beat VShojo and the Indie scene.

>>68674127
They don't even have to bother, the "competition" is full of retards self imploding.

>>68674127
monopolize?
there's still vshojo and phase

>monopolize
if they want to they should have at least 30 EN girls for now that fill all the time zones.

>>68674165
Fpbp

>>68674165
this, the problem is other companies seem to think they cannot do what Hololive does or think they have to do it but with some fucking moron take of trying to make it more woke or "western." Fucking idiots, Hololive being a very-Japanese, kind of exotic deal IS a part of the fucking appeal. We don't fucking want just regular streamers - we already have plenty of them for fuck's sake.

the way Nijisanji operates is completely backhanded too in that they try to have some BFE/GFE types, have custom songs, make a big deal out of 3D events where they do choreographed dances and such.. you know, idol type things, yet at the same time they aren't an idol company and you'd be hard pressed to find an idol fan among EN especially these days now that Pomu left. Honestly with time Pomu became the odd one out in the branch, there was never another one like her and it stands to reason there simply never will be because a girl who likes idols a lot will know that she'll be hated by a lot of idol fans just for being in nijiEN by association with how else it runs and what its other members have said and done about these kinds of things.

nijiEN runs like a company that for example, purportedly makes sports cars, but it also openly fucking hates sports car drivers despite aiming to rely on them, and doesn't hide it. it's some of the stupidest fucking business moves I have EVER seen. they act surprised when sports car enthusiasts don't like them at all, and the fans the company does attract are other people who also hate sports car drivers. but they don't actually like the cars much, the product is pearls before swine for them.

>>68674127
No. They're too lazy as it is with the exception of Advent. They need some serious competition to keep them or they'll backslidr like Ame.

>>68674127
>we

always support the talent over the company. if the company seems to be treating all their talent well, then sure.

>>68674322
>the better platform twitch
You live on a different timeline than we do.
Why do you expect a bright future of the platform that has laid off 35% of its entire workforce?

>>68674127
>allow

>>68674947
>nijiEN runs like a company that for example, purportedly makes sports cars, but it also openly fucking hates sports car drivers despite aiming to rely on them, and doesn't hide it.
sounds like modern day western entertainment

>>68674127
https://youtu.be/24i-r4DTweo?si=BY49BgB6Uu2DafgK

This is what total dominance over the EN market looks like?

>>68675458
now that you mention it, that's actually precisely correct. probably a good part of what makes hololive (and japanese media overall) so oddly successful is a perception of honesty/purity of intent - that the creators at least have a fucking genuine passion and earnest will to share their ideas with like-minded fans just for mutual fun, and not as disguised soapboxes to preach or pick fights with.

They're still pretty far from being a monopoly.

>>68674127
>monopolies le bad
Are you sure about that, chud?

>>68675111
If you looked at YouTube streaming and the non progress over the last 4 years you would know they don't have people to layoff

>>68674947
>the problem is other companies seem to think they cannot do what Hololive does
Treat their talents well?
Just look at Phase, all they need to treat their talent well and they don't blow up
For some reason everyone look at hololive and think "They treat their talent too well, let's do the opposite of that" and blew up lolw

>>68675966
I mean, not being a scumbag to your own employees should be an assumed "don't fuck this up" part of any business vtubers or not. This has long been a problem for Niji, but the thing is many other small corpos that have come and gone were in all likelihood started by people unprepared to run a business like this or not really able to adequately judge how to handle precocious women all day long and unsurprisingly mess it all up. Fishman's genius move was hiring not just women managers, but actual psych counselors, and their talents love their managers. Fishman himself definitely could not handle all the delicate finessed side of things in the background but hired people who can.

For niji, it's hard to figure out the rationale of who they picked but I would guess it was a combination of "as long as they speak english and japanese we don't care where thye're from, or how well they understand vtubers or western culture" along with selecting for business oriented mooks who come in ready to badger the talents to keep trying to perform better for the company and make Riku more money.

>>68674127
>Should we allow
>"we"

>>68675950
Twitch simp kun...

>>68675874
...Wait, do you think that picrel was in favor of monopolies? Are you retarded?

>>68676246
It has nothing to do with simping if YouTube wasn't completely incompetent twitch would not even exist as YouTube has market dominance for most other forms of user created video

>>68674165
fpbp
You can't blame a monopoly happening when all the competition suicides themselves

>>68674127
>Thinks HoloEN monopolizes the EN vtubing scene
Dumb youtube-only holobrony.

>>68674127
Anon...

>>68674306
vshojo is and has always been the second good corp

Pikamee wouldn't go to a shit company.

>>68676436
>thinks "holobrony" wouldn't want Hololive to be monopoly
Anon...

It's online entertainment. How the hell do you monopolise it besides getting Youtube and other platforms to shadowban your competition?

>>68674127
It's been that way for a long time
>Muh Ironmouse
Okay, 1 out 15
>Shilily
Okay, 2 out 15
>Shoto
Okay, 3 out 15
>Fillian
Okay, 4 out 15

Anyone else is quite a far cry honestly, having 4 individual competitors among thousands is a monopoly

>>68677423
Okay, let's say for arguments sake that it is monopoly. What do (you) want to be done and by whom?

>>68676463
The only correct answer. I don't know what the VSPO management is cooking this long, but I think they will finally slice a big portion of the gaijin pie once they debut.

>>68674127
>we
>allow
>HoloEN (Cover)
>... monopolize the EN market

Anon, you are not this important, stick to breeding rrats. This is not for you.

>>68674127
they literally can't

>>68674127
>>68674165
I think people forget something important.
Hololive didn't monopolize en vtuber market.
The en vtubing market could die tomorrow and it wouldn't even effect hololive.
Simply because hololive fans watch holomems, not vtubers.
>>68674749
Even with lack of streaming from holoen, other vtubers unable to grow from this opportunity.
In fact, en vtuber market is dying right now, other vtubers are just scraping the bottom of barrel fro viewers now.
While, holoen is just doing fine.

>>68677423
https://archive.palanq.win/vt/thread/68079917/#68082116
check this, add all of Vshojo, add Pippa and that's basically what's left

>>68678519
Yeah, just look at Gura for example, of course there's chumbuds fans of the others girls but the majority just don't watch anyone when she goes back to sleep, it's the same to most holomem, if they all took a collective break for a week I doubt it would increase the viewers of nijis, indies and others corpos

>>68674354
>complains about wokeism and political discourse
Anon is retarded

>>68674992
The way things are going, EN4 will be a generation of absolutely stellar chuubas0 who stream all day long every day and have to filter themselves from gushing over their fans' support, and still get barely 4view status because everyone's pining for the 45847878th return of their favorite lazy whore in MythcouncilRyS

>>68674165
this

Close the thread, OP.

>>68674165
This, no holo shouldn't get the monopoly, they should get it by the simple virtue of every single fucking other company commiting suicide...

>>68674127
No. Monopoly would stagnate them!

>>68678182
Well it seems they didnt get Selen so they already flopped before they even began

>>68679427
Eh not really. like this guy >>68678519 said, Hololive fans don't really watch other vtubers and just watch other Holos/Vods when no one is streaming.
t. Hololive fan

>we
WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU?

>>68679678
The jew

>>68674127
I would rather there be no EN market

>>68677746
I want cute girls wearing virtual anime costumes to be emotionally confused enough by the rush of positive emotions stemming from fans love bombs (that I contribute to) as they stream video games to think they are in love with their chat
Ideally I also want them to be sexually frustrated by these emotions but have no effective outlet off-stream and be reminded of that shortly before every stream they do so that all they can think about right before they have to stream is how much they love their fans and how horny they are

>>68674322
YouTube live is like 3X bigger then twitch, twitch has a monopoly in gaming livestreams.
And Hololive has basically carved out their neiche from nothing, no other corpo can reach their level because Hololive is too far ahed and it's preety much impossible for any other vtuber to catch up.

>>68674127
Tell us your plan then, OP.
Last time I asked you went completely silent.

Yes

>>68676515
My problem with VShoujo is that it does nothing to actually cultivate new talents.
It's a great company to be in, but only after you suffered under another company first (usually Nijisanji)

>>68674165
FPBP, how about you all stop supporting a Black company and Indies instead who deserve it way more. Fucking corpo dick suckers.

>>68679133
When you have people literally disowning their own flesh and blood family for "choosing the wrong side", or trying to make shit like being a troon not just be acceptable (which would've been fine, live and let live as they say) but something actively encouraged to unhealthy degrees (crossing the line). Then I would take idol culture and fucking console and sports tribalfaggotry any day of the week

>>68674127
Can other corps come up with original ideas instead picking over the carcasses and sloppy seconds of bigger companies?

>>68680397
We can't have any of that, it would tilt the balance in favor of fans!

>>68677423
>Shoto
Literally first time I've heard of this vtuber. Or do you mean Shondo?

>>68681786
It's the guy who was a niji leech, most of Luxiem fangirls went to him after niji burned

>>68681670
I have said this, and I will say this again.
The future of vtubing will be determined by who secured their foot first in children/teen-focused livestream vtuber. Parents will be focused on paying up the merch for their kids. All the paid events and lives. The mindshare of kids will spread through school and word of mouth.

Why no one is picking up on this, I do not know. Not only they get the child retention buffs, but imagine the viewboosting on their original songs that goes into 100 million since their parents do their view reps for the kids. It's not like kids are alien to the internet either, at least every child on earth plays roblox, now get Blippi or some child content eceleb with a live2D avatar and kill Cover, Niji, Vshojo, whatever corpos out there in one single swoop.

>>68676463
Brave Group is using ACCELERATE but with whole subsidiaries https://bravegroup.co.jp/en/news/4506/

>>68674127
sure why not

>>68674127
Why would the second biggest market loss leader be given a "monopoly" retarded bronie

>>68674127
So you're really serious about forcing all JP corpos out of the western market.

>>68682368
Gura can try for all I care. I won't watch anyone touching that segment.

To be honest the idea of holoen dominating kind of slipped my mind, since holoen's 'talents' randomly go on hiatus so often I kind of fell out of watching them, the same as nijien became unwatchable due to never-ending cuckpandering and drama.

>>68678519
>Even with lack of streaming from holoen, other vtubers unable to grow from this opportunity.
Vshojo and Phase and Idol are all inclining steadily.
>In fact, en vtuber market is dying right now, other vtubers are just scraping the bottom of barrel fro viewers now.
Viewers are irrelevant, what matters are ojisans with jobs choosing to support talentos with monero.

>>68682871
This is unironically the reason Hololive will never hold a total monopoly which would be next to impossible in the first place.

Honestly now I'm kind of curious what percentage of CCV in a 24 hours period Hololive actually holds.

Like if you have all the heavy hitters like Gura, Ina, FWMC, and Fauna streaming in a day I could see it being well.over 50% of EN Corpo Vtubers but take Gura and Ina or Fauna off the Board and it might only be like 30% or less.
A number monkey should look into this.

>>68674127
As much as I hate everyone that's not tenma Phaseconnect is doing shockingly well for itself

>>68683950
Holo has more than 100k watching it daily, idk how much of the market that is

>>68674992
Advent's stream times will fall off a cliff too the second they get their 3D, because Yagoo is going to send them to the idol slave labor mines. We only don't notice it with JP because there's nine fucking generations in one time zone, instead of EN, which has to cover literally every other time zone in the world with a third of the amount of people. The only solution is to make sure that EN4 comes out before Advent gets their 3D.

>>68674127
Don't care

>>68674165
fpbp
Niji, Phase, Kawaii, Idol and all the other companies keep doing shit that would be unthinkable in Hololive and then wonder why no one gives a shit about them.

>>monopolize the EN market
>they have 0 mindshare among any of the largest EN streamers
>They don't get nominated to any awards because jp autism prevents it
>they don't show up in any EN stats because the accounts are set to JP

>>68675458
Yes, you've sort of landed on what I think is wrong with Nijisanji but haven't quite been able to put into words. If you look at what's happened to Marvel studios, for example, one of the qualifications for the directors they hired for post-Endgame movies was that they'd never read a Marvel a comic and knew nothing about the comics.

And the focus is/was always on everything other than making an actually entertaining movie that people wanted to see - the writers all seemed to be thinking of doing things like teaching moral lessons, owning the chuds, promoting their particular ideology, or fighting a certain orange man, anything other than making a movie for people to enjoy. Disney almost seems offended when people bring that up. There was and is a complete lack of concern for making any kind of profit, and the company seems more obsessed with pleasing a small clique of weirdos on Twitter and the mainstream media (often the same people), than a general audience.

That same attitude is pervasive in Nijisanji. The people running the place are cartoonishly incompetent and seem obsessed with owning their posting enemies on /vt/ and chasing out people their weird little insular cliques don't like, and there is simply no concern at all for profitability, making money, or growth at the company anymore. Everyone instinctually knows this which is why so many people, myself included, expect the branch to collapse.

>monopolize
>gatekeep
pick one

>>68674127
Aah, the sweet taste of victory.

>>68682368
She doesn't livestream, but the most subbed vtuber actually makes children's content.
https://www.youtube.com/@Cookieswirlc

>>68684275
So let me work this out.

So if Hololive makes up 100k total peak CCV amongst all EN Holos. Nijisanji has 80k. And for shits and giggles Phase had 20k.

That pull mean the total market peak CCV is 200k meaning Hololive holds 50% of the market, Nijisanji holds 40% and Phase holds 10%.

These are hypothetical numbers and isn't accounting for other corpos and especially not indies.

Also there is nothing to say that if Nijisanji collapsed tomorrow that imaginary 40% would suddenly watch Hololive. Like you could see 10% go to Hololive, 10% spread out to the Small Corps and indies, then 20% just leave and never come back which would mean the market has shrunk.

Also it isn't often said how Hololive positively effects the market by casting a wide net and then as fans become more invested in vtubing they trickle down into the indies and small corpos.

>>68674127
>>68682389
You fags should be watching v4mirai. It's like holoEN but they are actually gay for real.

>>68682368
There’s a spic girl I knew doing this, she focus her content 100% in children bellow 7 years old or so, but we often don’t get to see this because we don’t browse YouTube Kids at all. She does hybrid content though, not so much livestreams but sings a lot, makes educational content and some fairytale reading.

>>68685955
>actually gay for real
another example of self sabotage and fucking up

>>68682368
The problem with youtube kids is 8 or 80, you're an unknown shit or super popular since children are easily fooled by the algorithm

>>68685955
Is that Yozora Mel?

>>68685955
Not gonna watch your black company

>>68685899
Most of the people watching Nijisanji currently probably won't watch Hololive. The people who would have almost certainly already left. Niji's current audience/demographic is largely women at this point. The women are accessories to their male vTubers.

Were Niji to implode tomorrow I think the smaller agencies would benefit, not Hololive (unless maybe Holostars picks up some Niji viewers).

>>68674127
They are monopoly already

>>68674127
Hololive JP has more influence over the EN market than Hololive EN
HoloEN dropped off so hard with everyone being on hiatus all the time, burned out talents doing low effort streams and the Holostars debuff wrecking gens 1 and 2

>>68674127
No because there's no males

>>68687221
Pomudachi and dragoons, now that they don't have to unityfag for nijiEN, are up for grabs.

>>68674127
yes next question?

>>68676515
There fine besides the fact you might have to deal with Mythic and a lot of them are in general terrible fucking people.

>>68674127
They’re already effectively a monopoly because their competition is a joke

>>68685955
>It's like holoEN but they are actually gay for real.
Well HololiveEN has Kronii and she's gay enough to make it up for everyone

>>68682368
COVER won

If large Indies can come out and get good viewership by themselves, Hololive is not a monopoly. Sure most of them are on twitch, but that doesn't change the fact that monopolies typically crush all competition of people with less money than them. Thank 90's Microsoft for making that super legal and cool. In that regard which is actually worse because they put the people with the most viewers at the top to give them more viewers and everybody else is in the 1-2 view trenches where nobody will see them.

>>68692906
>letting children watch skimpy dressed whores
Bad parent

>>68693217
Towa is a pure virgin lesbian saint.

>>68674777
>nobody appreciating a triple 7 get

what have we become anons?

>>68693245
And what about the lesbian whore beside her?

>>68693514
La+ is an unpure applied lesbian mortal

>>68674777
Nice GET

>>68676515
That's their approach, invite only, nothing but already popular vtubers attracted by their payment structure. You won't find any new talent or hidden gems there.

>>68680782
That's their approach, invite only, nothing but already popular vtubers attracted by their payment structure. You won't find any new talent or hidden gems there.

>>68696960
If you want to find actual hidden gems you would look for indies and not the newest hololive talents who will be popular no matter what.

>>68697202
Hololive doesn't just hire the most popular people that apply, we wouldn't have the doggos otherwise

>>68697202
>if you want to find hidden gems you should parse through the ocean of dogshit that is indie vtubing to find the few gems hidden among them
yeah no shit
Hololive talent scouting does that for me, and thus far they're 13/15 for catering to my taste, so i don't have to invest time, money and especially emotionally into everybody else

>>68697345
It's not a hidden gem anymore after they appear in hololive is my point so saying that you, as a viewer, are not seeing a hidden gem once they appear in Hololive. I do when I watch my 2 view indie oshi. And hololive often do take the more popular and established vtubers who apply, they just aren't getting many or any 4 large indies because those will want to keep their IP. In comparison, Vshojo does promote smaller content creators by raiding them or interacting directly with them. For example Sushidog.

>>68697601
>And hololive often do take the more popular and established vtubers who apply
this demonstrably false

>>68697876
Demonstrate it then if you want to humor me.

>>68697601
>In comparison, Vshojo does promote smaller content creators
Thats not the same as joining, and these smaller creators will likely never join unless they achieve 4view status on their own.
>>68697914
Pretty much all of JP were experienced but not very popular streamers back then, Subaru and Hachama had no experience at all with streaming and EN also hired not all that popular streamers aswell, Calli and Kiara were not even vtubers, Calli was not even a streamer. There are more examples but those are the ones I can remember at the top of my head.

>>68674127
they never did, but it would be funny if anti-trust shit happens

>>68697601
A hidden gem that is no longer hidden is a GEM now, my man.

>>68698257
Oh, man, let's not forget Mori hated idol culture and thought streaming was a sell out. She was kind of hostile to the idea, tbqh.

It's not a monopoly. Even if every other corpo died, the indie sector is thriving and always will. The medium is big enough at this point that there are EN vtuber fans that have never had any interaction with Hololive (including people that have since joined Cover like Ruze).

Yes, they should, they need to keep up.

>>68674127
Just because Niji EN is shooting itself in the foot repeatedly it doesn't mean Holo EN is the only thing left. Vshojo got pretty big and Phase Connect is getting traction as well. Not to mention big indies like Doki.

>>68697914
Mori and Kiara weren't even vtubers
IRyS (as a vtuber), Bae and Fauna were pretty obscure
same for FWMC, Biboo and Nerissa (again, as a vtuber), not to mention the huge gamble they took hiring the twins

long story short, Hololive is instant success, sure, but that doesn't mean the people they hire had already achieved success on their own
that's the difference with VShojo, and it's much better for the vtuber scene compared to just trying to cannibalize the competition

>>68682368
There’s a problem with companies who try to market to kids. Kids want to grow up and kids want to watch what their older siblings and peers watch. They grow up fast and distance themselves from the baby shows so audience retention is abysmal. Fuwamoco already works well for kids. Just have to run ads on youtube kids too.

>>68698257
>Thats not the same as joining
The point was about finding hidden gems, not that they have to end up with a corpo logo next to their names.

Also it's pretty obvious that in the early days of Hololive they took even smaller talents and the more successful they gotten the more they were able to get larger more established talents too.

>>68698510
>A hidden gem that is no longer hidden is a GEM now, my man.
Cool and trust me I don't have a problem with Hololive giving spotlight to some smaller content creators but they are not hidden after they get into Hololive. They already made it just by getting accepted.

>>68698807
So where is your evidence that many bigger and more established vtubers / content creators applied and were rejected?

>>68699086
>So where is your evidence that many bigger and more established vtubers / content creators applied and were rejected?
Do you expect popular vtubers/content creators to say they applied to Hololive? Nobody announces that they are applying and its embarrassing to say you were rejected and the ones that do get in don't announce it either, Or do you expect us to have access to the audition process? How, pray tell, are we supposed to give you the evidence you ask for?

>>68674127
>This is your brain on /#/

>>68699607
So you have no evidence for your claim that they did not take some of the largest / most established content creators / vtubers that applied? Why are you then so opposed to this idea?

>>68699751
The fuck is this? Ask for the impossible and if they can't provide it that means they are wrong? Fuck off with your childish debate skills.

>>68700032
Why do you deny the very likely possibility that it's true then?
The only childish thing is your outburst because you have no argument.

>>68685955
Their models are so fucking good.

>>68699086
>So where is your evidence that many bigger and more established vtubers / content creators applied and were rejected?
didn't say content creators, sorry
we were talking about vtubers exclusively
and since some of them were not vtubers/barely vtubers, unless you think no semi-succesful vtuber applied, there's your proof
Pomu iirc admitted to applying i think? but yeah not many others

>>68699607
That's just untrue.
Auditions used to be a pretty big thing in the indie sphere. Some people even openly talked about how their goal was to get into Holo (or Niji) while plenty of others still talked about applying when the cycle came. It was a big community thing.
The opposite has happened since. As the western indie scene has grown, way more people have gone from that to openly talking about not really being interested in that and instead focusing on the long-term growth of their own channels.

>>68674165
As a HoloCHAD, I agree. Competition is good for the market and there are a ton of things I don't like about current Hololive that I'd like to see change. However they have zero incentive to be less lazy or stream more when their "rivals" are literally speedrunning the worst business practices there are.

>>68700304
>and there are a ton of things I don't like about current Hololive that I'd like to see change
Like what?

>>68700465
The existence and forced pushing of Stars
How most of EN is lazy as fuck and can go months without streaming with little to no explanation
Tons of extra projects that take up time/resources that have very little payoff i.e. Blue Journey. Should focus on Birthdays/Anniversaries and Fes
Did I mention Stars? They get 3D and get to use the studio when they are a net loss and the studio is booked at least a year in advance
Every EN original song being in fucking Japanese

>>68674165
Hey, the first post was the best post. Nice.

>>68700158
Even if that was true, Pomu wasn't big back then.
>we were talking about vtubers exclusively
No, you brought it up as a point that they were not vtubers before joining but that doesn't really matter too much imo because they were still not nobodies. But at that point we are just talking about semantics.

>>68674777
is this owl too smug?

>>68699086
You're idea of "already made it" is debunked by the fact some of the talents struggle to get 1k.

>>68701670
1k is already large indie status.

>>68701892
And they don't struggle for it. And also you're wrong. Large indie is closer to 4k-5k.

>>68701996
>Large indie is closer to 4k-5k.
Tell that to /lig/

>>68702132
I don't give a shit what 4chan says. It's not instant success. The girls they hired can do the job or had a talent that made them draw an audience. This isn't hard. What hololive offered was a shared exposure, and it was still up to the talents to seal the deal.
Can we stop with this stupid bullshit now?

>>68701028
notPomu was bigger than 3/5ths of council and all of Advent
oh right, Milky Queen also got rejected

>>68702376
all of Advent minus Shiori*

>>68702376
>>68702636
Don't remember Shiori, but Pomu was in her 10ks or so at most, so not much bigger than the others and not big in general by any stretch of the imagination.

>>68701996
Top tier indie is probably more like 3k+ average CCV. There's like 2 that get 4k+ on average.
If we're wanting double digits then we're looking at 2k+

>>68700920
>How most of EN is lazy as fuck and can go months without streaming with little to no explanation
I'm not sure how you would possibly change that outside of just kicking the girls that won't stream.

You're gonna laugh, but this small corpo is going to do better than anyone will believe.
HONEST WHORE LOVE

>>68705350
There should be more AVtubers on the western side of things.

>>68700161
>Auditions used to be a pretty big thing
NTA but I think Cover switching the auditions from open for a certain period of time to open all year round does have an effect on it. It basically turned from an "American idol" type audition to more of a "normal audtion". There's also other factors that need to be considered to.
>People not really wanting to "announce" to the public that they failed.
Like what the previous anon said, unless you're just strapped for topics to talk about or you just want to throw yourself a pity party, NO ONE wants to dwell on failure, at least not publicly.
>The long gap between Council and Advent
Over 2 years is just too much, and I'm pretty sure that some of the current crop of indies and small corpos probably gave up on auditions because of that. A pity since there's a few indies that I like (Clara and Roca) who I would've wanted to see on the Holofes stage (Fuck Omegatroon)
>The 2022 slump
Most shills will deny it but HoloEN did in fact recline back in 2022. Debuting Tempiss, EN management pretty much crippling the girls, Gura specifically. Fun fact: Gura actually wanted to do shorts way before it became the meta for quick subs but EN management put so much red tape on top of it the same way that they did her 3d live that she stopped even wanting to do it at the time. So in another timeline, Gura may actually be pushing 10 mil in subs. It got so bad that HoloEN who once seemed untouchable could now be scratched by NijiEN. If they held off debuting Advent any more than they did or were dumb enough to debut Armpiss first, well... they probably still win in the end but they would be very very beatable at that point.
>More options on the corpo side
With Phase and jewdol rising up, and with Nijisanji (prior to all the yabs) debuting multiple waves per year, Hololive was no longer the end all be all destination for all chuubas. They're still the "Harvard" of EN vtubers but not getting in doesn't mean that you can't get into your local college.

>>68703279
Even so, that's still at least lower half of Hololive's average stream numbers. I think this puts the argument to bed, no?

>>68706192
I wasn't paying attention to ya'll's argument, I've just been numberfagging. You can use it for or against whatever you're trying to argue.
In the time period I was comparing these numbers Hololive EN started at 5k+ averages. ID's numbers were comparable to the indies though.
Quite frankly, it's bizarre how dominant Hololive EN is. Top tier corpos and indies compete with their lower ranks. I guess there's a reason /#/ is full of Holofags.

>>68674127
They don't have a monopoly. They never had, and unless they become Arasaka they never will. You don't know what monopolies are. Go crank one to la+ or muyu cunny they're live right now.

>>68705350
That company is going to collapse in 1-2 months

>>68674165
FPBP

>>68674127
>HoloEN monopoly
they have a monopoly on youtube, twitch has Vshojo and indies

>>68705350
>Female CEO
It's dead

>>68674127

>Niji is going up in flames because of their incompetent middle management
lmao fuck em. Phase, Vshojou and big indies will still exist for those not into the whole idol schtick. Doki went full indie and she's already at more subs than a bunch of her old coworkers. Even if Hololive EN is the top dog the market is pretty healthy.