/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Posting in a retarded thread before it 404's

Isn’t this old news?

ogey

>>68659569
ancient news, literally like 2017 ass news

Doesn't everyone know he loves horsecock? I barely even remember the guy's name, but every time I see it come up I think to myself "Is that the horsecock guy?"

>>68660528
I just remember him as the "there is no good argument against possessing child pornography" guy

>>68659999
>>68660528
It's a reference to vaush opening his porn folder on stream a few days ago
https://twitter.com/hayasaka_aryan/status/1755376676899332291

>>68660528
it was literally outed like 3 months into his career. He used to be a debatefag Destiny orbiter who started streaming and immediately the girl he tried to groom on Destiny's discord leaked all the logs to him which he then read on stream. He was sexting her about how it would be hot to suck off a horse or something, as she begged him to stop talking about it because it was making her uncomfortable. His defense was unironically "I am autistic and I thought she was into it"

>>68660877
fucking kek

>>68659569
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NJYB_4VZrE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NJYB_4VZrE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NJYB_4VZrE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NJYB_4VZrE

>>68659569
Since when hasn’t it been known that Vaush lusts over horse cock and children?
This isn’t exactly news.

>>68660877
>the anti-loli left-wing faggot was literally just projecting his own insecurities the entire time and jerks off to horses fucking children

How many times has this happened now?

>>68660802
>>68660890
Typical twitter commie shit

>>68660877
>saved that Matsuri pic
Kinda based

https://twitter.com/Kissless_Birgin/status/1755417474546253881

>likes AI slop
He's got shit taste too

>>68661584
I remember there being an extensive index with literally thousands of entries of exactly that on reddit somewhere.
But it might have gotten shut down due to ”doxxing”.

>>68660877
>watching or caring about vaush
/pol/tards need to neck themselves.

For being a bunch of shitters, Phase connect seems to get pushed a lot in this platform

>>68661985
>people who are interested in political commentary watch someone who does political commentary

I-I don't know what you expected anon

>>68661696
You don't have to repeat 'mentally ill retard that can't diff fiction with reality' anon it the same thing

>>68660877
well at least he has good taste, barring the AI slop and horsecock shit.

Apparently Vaush likes horsecock because he’s super into the idea of having a huge cock and likes when the guy is huge. He’s not attracted to horses themselves, he just likes women getting fucked by horses because they have massive cocks. Which is definitely weird.

I fantasize myself having a giga cock and fucking hot chicks too but I don't use horses for that shit.

>>68665216
So he's gay and the females are just his avatar? Because why focus on the dick instead of the girls?

>>68662022
It's not that watching a political commentary streamer is that bad, it's that Vaush in particular is a massive retard who makes Hasan and Destiny look smart by comparison. Even twitter lefties don't like him

>>68660877
/pol/ had an archive of the images. A bunch of Chainsaw Man, so he's into dogs as well :3

He'll be fine.
Pippa will be fine.
World keeps spinning.

>>68665216
That's nice and all but isn't that the exact same argument he ignores in his tirades? Why would he get a pass by his own logic?

>>68665216
That is one of the most ridiculous copes I have ever heard

>>68665216
All men like horse cocks, it's one of the things that make us. See also: how futa draenei were drawn.

No wonder there's been a whole lot of horse cock requests in the drawthreads

>>68659569
>Vaush
Who?
>exposed as a lolicon & horse fucker.
sounds based

>>68665216
Same but with niggers

>>68665216
It's drawings though, you can literally just find drawings of giga cocks if you want but he went out of his way to save ones with actual horses in it.

>>68666788
Left-wing mouthpiece

>>68666788
He's a left wing projecting lolicon and horse fucker who publicly hates others of his kind.
That's not based.

>>68666153
It is still really funny though

>>68659569
Do you have the porn images? I want to judge if he has good taste.

>>68666983
https://twitter.com/Kissless_Birgin/status/1755417474546253881

>>68659569
This is like predicting that the sky will be blue tomorrow.

>>68667019
thank you

>>68666612
/d/egenerate stop outing yourself with the old lore

>>68667019
>matsuri
A man of taste indeed.

>>68667019
not bad to be honest, the only disgusting thing is the horse thing.8/10

>>68667019
>all anime
>some of them are AI generated
So, is this what lefties want the world to be like?

>giving ground to AI generated porn
So, basically he gave up being a human.
I never take AI generated porn no matter how good it looks, no matter how accurately it catches my fetish.
He’s not either a leftist or conservative, but just a loser.

>/pol/tards crying about virtual pedophilia and virtual horses too
What the fuck is wrong with them, isn't there anyone willing to fight for freedom of expression nowadays?

>>68659569
vtubers doko?

>>68659569
At first I want to make a joke like "If I had a cent for every time..." but it's becoming quite surprising how frequently these individuals... these anti-loli left-wing people getting exposed jerking off to these loli stuff. There seems to be a noticeable pattern emerging.
Actually it's even worse than what I thought, it was an AI generated image of horses fucking children.

>>68665216
don't worry Vaush we know it's you, you can go stay at boards.4chan.org/mlp/

>>68667489
Cringe and reddit

>>68661584
'Member back in the 90s and early 00s when every now and then a conservative politician or religious leader that ranted about the evils of faggotry would get caught in a Vegas hotel room with a pile of coke and 3 male strippers? Same shit.

The worst part is that the shit that those guys got up to would be considered vanilla as fuck in current year.

>>68667593
are you stupid?It's obvious that /pol/ is going to be against porn of any kind

>>68667489
I absolutely hate this phrase, but you are literally, unironically on the wrong side of history. Technological advancement cannot be denied, consequences be damned.

>>68661584
You would be surprised. https://archive.today/jp78L

>>68667792
To be fair that sounds based, hypocritical but based.

>>68667593
>thinking the unironic neo-nazis (not even using this as a pejorative, it's just factually true) give a shit about freedom of expression

>>68667788
They like mares, not penises.It's like this anon said>>68667242

>>68667628
He has matsuri porn and it's pretty good I might add.

>>68659759
Yes, but it got timelooped in a Kirsche stream because a handful of retarded newfags thought it was recent and got Kirsche to talk about it by convincing her there was a new development. Said stream is probably what spurred this post, and the OP might even be one of those same retards.

>>68668138
>Matsuri
>Horse cock instead of piss play
Lore inaccurate. I can't fap to this...

>Captcha: 4RAT

>>68659569
I never understood having porn saved like this

>>68667903
>. Technological advancement cannot be denied, consequences be damned.

Bullshit. Amazon's drone delivery service which was meant to basically annihilate all package delivery services was dead on arrival because the government refused to give them air space permission.

>>68667903
>the wrong side of history.
It’s not like eating processed foods, taking supplements or using microwave instead of a kettle.
Fapping over AI generated porn is like founding a new religion based on sacred scripture generated by an AI out of random words in a dictionary?
You’re denying your own human nature.

>>68667489
>I never take AI generated porn no matter how good it looks
Thing is, most AI generated porn looks like samey dog shit. I don't know how anybody but actual retards get off to it.

>>68668227
horse porn is another image, Matsuri's image is quite vanilla.

>>68668250
"Human nature" is to eat, sleep, shit, and fuck. The only people who think otherwise are those who live with crippling existential dread.

>>68668245
Yes, but the technological advance still exists.

>>68668250
>Fapping over AI generated porn is like founding a new religion based on sacred scripture generated by an AI out of random words in a dictionary?
Nope
>>68668295
No

>>68668295
I have no problem with AI and actually like how it makes twitter artists chimp out but I agree with this. I've never seen AI porno that actually made me horny, maybe as the tech advances that'll change but right now it's unfappable.

>>68661584
>anti-loli
Lolis are still a thinly veil for pedophilia though

>>68667792
time is a flat circle

>faggot seethes and posts about X
>insists people partake in X are degen
>encourages stigmatization of X
>found doing X

there has to be some sociology study for this shit already

>>68668434
It still exists but is basically worthless because of government intervention because if Amazon was given permissions, it's another step closer to absolute dystopia. Most artists I know don't care about AI art itself, you're a retarded hack if you use it and expect to be viewed as a peer and won't ever get respect in the art community (ie Shadiversity) but what they care about is the fact that it is trained on the images of other artists without their permission which is simply theft and they want governments to acknowledge this. If you want to train your AI on images, pay for those images.

>>68668490
>No
Literally yes anon. Almost all of it either comes out in the clean anime style or the Sakimichan semi-realism style and is riddled with fuck ups, especially around lighting, anatomy and drapery.

>>68667489
My only problem with AI porn is that most of it looks bad and generic because most porn proompters are lazy fuckers who just go with the same shitty style as everyone else even though HALF THE FUCKING POINT IS THAT YOU CAN FREELY EXPERIMENT WITH STYLES.

>>68667489
the fucked up thing is, he publicly shits on AI to the point of banning anyone from his stream that defends it kek

>>68661584
>>68661900
Here you go.
https://archive.md/U23XK

>>68668627
Not really. I like loli. I do not like real children. Real children look and act nothing like a loli does. On top of that, a loli is a drawing.

>>68661584
I mean, I'm against the anti-lol crusade too, but I don't think Vaush was actually a part of that. In fact, he's on record stating something along the lines of "there's nothing unethical about possessing child porn". It'd be an incredibly strange position if he defended real CP but condemned loli hentai.

>>68668722
Artist also train by looking at other artists' images and studying their techniques. Artists are just trying to keep a monopoly on their scarce skill so that they can keep making money on furry porn commissions, the say way luddites in the 18th century would destroy mechanical looms so that weavers wouldn't lose their job.
If you're actually doing something creative you'll never be replaced by AI art, if anything it will streamline boring stuff so you can concentrate on things that are important, it really only affects people spamming fetish porn or low-rent anime images. You'll notice coders don't chimp out about this stuff, despite AI coding also being trained on github and so forth, both because they're smart enough to realize it'll be a long-term benefit to them and because they don't have massive egos the way artists do.

Being a lolicon or a horse fucker or misogyny is not the problem, but possessing AI generated porn is.
It’s like
>it’s ok to give up all your personal property and information to a great dictator as long as he’s working well for you, and you have no fuckin idea what he’s actually doing behind your back
And is this beard guy calling himself a “leftist”?
Did MLK and JFK die for things like this?

>>68660877
>Matuli
This faggot thinking about Matuli like that fills me with rage.

>>68668722
>Almost all of it either comes out in the clean anime style or the Sakimichan semi-realism style and is riddled with fuck ups, especially around lighting, anatomy and drapery.

That's a problem with lazy, undiscerning people overusing particular models and flooding the space with their drivel. You can absolutely get better stuff, but Sturgeon's Law is especially true when the barrier for entry is so low.

>>68668722
>you're a retarded hack if you use it and expect to be viewed as a peer and won't ever get respect in the art community
The only people who want respect from the art community are other artists. Everyone else thinks they're insufferable faggots.
>but what they care about is the fact that it is trained on the images of other artists without their permission which is simply theft and they want governments to acknowledge this. If you want to train your AI on images, pay for those images.
Oh? And are artists going to start sending money to the creator of every single piece of art they were ever inspired by? Because that's effectively what generative AI art is doing. It looks at a whole bunch of pictures and uses them to create something new WHICH IS LITERALLY NO DIFFERENT THAN THE HUMAN ARTISTIC PROCESS.

At the end of the day, AI art tools are just doing something that humans do, just faster and cheaper. Which is what all machines have done since the motherfucking cotton gin. We didn't ban or regulate the cotton gin to protect cotton pickers; there is literally no reason that artists deserve to be treated differently.

>>68661584
vaush has explicitly been pro-loli from the jump, plus he's a centrist

what i dont understand is streaming is this retards entire life, why is there porn on the computer he streams from? why do people not understand how to compartmentalise

What the fuck does this have to do with vtubers? Do I dare criticize the Phase jannies here for keeping this shit up?

>>68669130
Just because something is your profession doesn't mean you're actually good at it.
>t. code monkey

>>68668704
>there has to be some sociology study for this shit already
yes,it is literally this image

>>68668916
>Artist also train by looking at other artists' images and studying their techniques
Which is not what an AI does. It does not replicate how humans interpret visual data.
>Artists are just trying to keep a monopoly on their scarce skill so that they can keep making money on furry porn commissions
If that were true, the main problem wouldn't 'hey it's using copyrighted art works which it was never being given permission for'
>the say way luddites in the 18th century would destroy mechanical looms so that weavers wouldn't lose their job.
Not really. If this were true, digital artists wouldn't exist today.

>If you're actually doing something creative you'll never be replaced by AI art, if anything it will streamline boring stuff so you can concentrate on things that are important, it really only affects people spamming fetish porn or low-rent anime images
Most artists feed and train themselves on those fetish porn images though. Without those shitty commissions, they wouldn't have the income to survive to continue on those truly artistic projects.

>You'll notice coders don't chimp out about this stuff,
Because AI produced code is actually non-functional. It's not like art where it can be 'good enough' and before anyone says most code is just 'good enough', I'm talking about things like seg faults, compilation errors, etc things that actually make code worthless. Trying to get AI code beyond 'please write a loop that increments this value' is not worth the time because AI doesn't have the wider context of a system to actually provide useful code.

>>68668916
>If you're actually doing something creative you'll never be replaced by AI art, if anything it will streamline boring stuff so you can concentrate on things that are important, it really only affects people spamming fetish porn or low-rent anime images.

This. The people who will lose the most are the ones at the bottom rungs of this unique feasting period that the internet has made for low-grade artists. It's just raising the floor and, at the moment at least, not by all that much. You just need to be better than the AI junk, which anyone can tell you isn't hard to do.

>>68660877
So he went out of his way to get a danbooru gold or has a pixiv account specifically for loli? Guy be wildin' if he wasn't a projecting hypocrite

>>68669024
The ultimate issue with AI art quality is that because chinks and pooinloos are using it to spawn millions of dogshit images a day, Google, Pinterest and other major companies are also flooding their platforms with it, AI art is now being trained with other AI art which just compounds the errors it already has, making it unusable as even a half-competent resource.

>>68669239
>You just need to be better than the AI junk, which anyone can tell you isn't hard to do.
When AI is being trained on images produced by people with decades of experience, it is much harder to become a 'good enough' artist than you think.

>>68669237
excited for when companies start trying to do AI code in their products, everything will burn

>>68669291
AI inbreeding is the funniest problem to emerge, i love it

>>68659569
someone post that one screenshot of vaush's mom

>>68659569
lmao I know what shatter thread this is from.

based Mentiswave

based Pippa

occasionally based Destiny

unbased horsefag Vauwsh

>>68669115
>he's a centrist
lol
lmao

>>68669237
>annoying reddit line-by-line response instead of just typing a paragraph
Yeah, not wasting my time on you.
By the way, you're completely wrong about AI coding, both my personal experience and the anecdotes of every colleague I've ever talked to have confirmed it's completely capable of producing functional code. GPT-3 was pretty bad, but it's improving at a rapid rate. And guess what, just about no one is threatened about it, because actually competent software engineers don't even do the shit AI is good at anyway, they just farm that shit out.

>B but the technological advance still exists.
So you take your daily dose of heroin just because it is a honorable scientific achievement by glorious Bayer?
AI porn should be banned.

>>68669472
>anti-leftist
>pro-western imperialist
>doesn't want anything past social safety nets

>>68669067
>The only people who want respect from the art community are other artists. Everyone else thinks they're insufferable faggots.
Tell that to Shadiversity who cries on twitter daily about other artists not liking him.

>And are artists going to start sending money to the creator of every single piece of art they were ever inspired by?
Humans are not equivalent to a computer.
>Because that's effectively what generative AI art is doing.
>t looks at a whole bunch of pictures and uses them to create something new WHICH IS LITERALLY NO DIFFERENT THAN THE HUMAN ARTISTIC PROCESS.
No it isn't. You need to revise how AI actually interprets visual data because it is straight theft and AI generators have been caught out an unthinkable amount of times literally just ripping parts of images out and pasting them. If it could interpret data like a human, it wouldn't make the mistakes it does.

> We didn't ban or regulate the cotton gin to protect cotton pickers; there is literally no reason that artists deserve to be treated differently.
Nobody wants to be a cotton picker. Nobody trains for decades to be a cotton picker. A world in which all the shit jobs like flipping burgers and stacking boxes is done by humans but art is completed by machines is literally a dystopian hell hole. AI art doesn't produce a material benefit for society because art itself doesn't actually provide economic benefit. It's not like a machine that harvests grain 20% better than a human can because that produces a tangible benefit to society that should be encouraged. Using AI art is just taking away the little bit of humanity and light that people have. What motivation does a child have to draw or create or pursue any level of artistry, when they can simply type into a computer and get something out that is 10-15 years ahead of their skill level?

>>68668722
fun fact, the two anons you answered is actually just one.
>It still exists but is basically worthless because of government intervention
The United States is not the only country in the world. I must also add that they use this technology for war, the hypocrites.
>Almost all of it either comes out in the clean anime style or the Sakimichan semi-realism style
those are good art styles
>fuck ups around lighting, anatomy and drapery.
Nobody is interested in those things in porn, 60% of porn has the same problem

>>68669551
>pro-western imperialist
whoa
based

>>68669237
>Not really. If this were true, digital artists wouldn't exist today.

I think the point of the Luddite comparison is that they failed to stop the march of technology. This whole thing already happened in art before when the photograph was invented. You can dredge up old rants from the 1800s from artists seething about photography trampling on their niche. Imagine being a common portrait artist when suddenly your clients could go to some fucking shop and get a photo done in a fraction of the time and cost of your work. The response then, as it should be now, was "Okay, so what can we, as artists, do that technology can't?". And that's a large part of why there's such an explosion in new art styles in the 19th century and onward.

>>68669487
No, but you should be banned from taking antibiotics, blood pressure medicine, chemotherapy, etc., after all, it's putting hard-working witchdoctors and faith healers out of work.

>>68669483
Nigger, I'm literally a software engineer. Good luck integrating AI code that has no context of your 100+ million lines of code existing across dozens of different architectures, especially legacy bullshit.

>>68667792
it still happens today with the tranny seethe
>state politician virtue signals hard against trannies
>is found to be a drag queen or having child porn
the most recent one was a horsefaced femoid politician who turned out to be encouraging her husband to crossdress and be in an open relationship. a tale as old as the republic.

>>68669346
And yet people constantly complain about how it looks like shit and fails at basic artistic principles. It doesn't sound hard to be better from what I've heard and seen.

>>68669014
Go back to R*ddit,fag.

>>68669446
>>68659569

Also you could at least use the full size image.
Brotip: Right click, open image in new tab - shows image in better res.

>>68669562
>those are good art styles
They are. Hence why they get generated the most. Doesn't mean that it isn't samey bullshit.
>Nobody is interested in those things in porn, 60% of porn has the same problem
From someone who draws porn for commissions, people do care.

>>68669199
he has Matsuri porn

>>68669291
Yeah, AI tools of all kinds have their own problems. Thing is, all the things they're capable of now would have been unthinkable just a couple of years ago. They're only going to get better as time goes on, especially now that there is a proven market for them.

Speaking as an older millennial, I have personally witnessed the internet go from a niche toy for computer autists to something that changed the world on a scale not seen since the steam engine. The next couple of decades are going to be a wild ride.

>>68669237
AI code is fine. Most new developments have AI code in it these days. The biggest problem is that you have to limit the scope of what you're describing else you spend as much time trying to get what you want as it would take to just write the damn thing. Everything is too custom to merely describe a high level thing and get a useful function out of it.

It sounds like you just have a skill issue.

>>68669446
>based Destiny
Kys cuck

>>68669700
>And yet people constantly complain about how it looks like shit and fails at basic artistic principles. It doesn't sound hard to be better from what I've heard and seen.

Those artistic basics takes years to get even semi-competent at. Most art that someone will do in their first 2 years of taking art seriously will look like amateur dogshit, beneath that of even an AI. Art, surprisingly, is really fucking hard to do properly and I think people don't give enough credit to how intelligent you actually need to be to understand the principles of form, perspective, lighting, etc.

>>68659569
A joke for (You). Two cows have an arguement. One is a neckbeard, the other is Pippa.

>>68669640
Holy fucking goalpost move. Before it was literally nonfunctional because of compilation errors, now the problem is that it's hard to integrate into legacy projects across multiple architectures (a massive fucking headache for humam-produced code as well). You're just massively dishonest.

>>68669561
>Nobody wants to be a cotton picker. Nobody trains for decades to be a cotton picker. A world in which all the shit jobs like flipping burgers and stacking boxes is done by humans but art is completed by machines is literally a dystopian hell hole. AI art doesn't produce a material benefit for society because art itself doesn't actually provide economic benefit. It's not like a machine that harvests grain 20% better than a human can because that produces a tangible benefit to society that should be encouraged. Using AI art is just taking away the little bit of humanity and light that people have. What motivation does a child have to draw or create or pursue any level of artistry, when they can simply type into a computer and get something out that is 10-15 years ahead of their skill level?
>Nobody wants to be a cotton picker. Nobody trains for decades to be a cotton picker.
Not an argument. Mechanisation has been putting skilled craftsmen out of work for literal centuries by this point. Every single time it happened they were expected to suck it up and find more work. Once again: artists are not special. They deserve no special treatment.

>>68669446
DGG4LYFE

>>68669908
>goalpost moving

I didn't have a goalpost you retard. I described one set of errors with it and now I'm describing another set of errors. Simply because I didn't document every problem with AI code in detail in the first round doesn't mean the goalposts have been moved.

>>68669751
>Doesn't mean that it isn't samey bullshit.
True
>for commissions
this porn is free.

>>68660877
>>68661584
They're always the ones projecting when they're into degenerate shit too. I'm not even into loli but I'm an artist that just supports all art tags no matter how extreme or weird they are. They're just drawings at the end of the day but normalfags act like art is real life.

>>68669640
Depends on when, where, and how you utilize it. It's not like most humans at your average enterprise dump know the full stack, nor do they need to know it.

>>68669446
>>68669706
Alright you caught me red handed. I just wanted a quick thread about Vaush being a hypocrite for calling Pippa a Nazi, but instead I got an AI art thread. Thanks for reminding me about the open in a new tab. I need to do that when I'm saving images I just don't think of it.

>>68669966
>Mechanisation has been putting skilled craftsmen out of work for literal centuries by this point.
Skilled craftsmen produced things of material economic benefit. It can therefore be justified to mechanise the process to increase the general standard of living of the common person. The point still stands. AI art does not do this.

>>68669980
>i-i-i-i-it wont even compile
>yes it does you fucking retard
>b-b-but how do you integrate it into legacy projects???
Retardation.

>>68670000
>this porn is free.
I'm sorry you have dog shit taste then.

>>68670088
Nigger, if you want to tell me that every single piece of code that an AI has produced for you compiles perfectly every time with zero errors or inefficiencies, you can kill yourself right now because you're lying.

>>68670055
Art most certainly produces a material economic benefit, as demonstrated by the cottage industry that is art commisions. Art is a commodity like any other.

>>68659569
anti-ai art fags are unbearable

>AI porn
At least it’s an abuse of technology.
Just like opium tincture used to be household medicine in 19th century.

I like how some eceleb shit has evolved into AI discussion

>>68670160
Explain how art produces material economic benefit? It doesn't help me day-to-day, it doesn't feed me, it doesn't clothe me, it doesn't heal me, it does do anything of actual material value.

If I own a winter jacket and another person does not own a winter jacket. I am materially superior to them, come winter and I will survive better than they will.
If I own a piece of art and another person does not own that piece of art. Nothing about our situations change.

>>68670102
>Ad hominem
Do you realize that I'm not Vaush, you moron?

>>68670028
>let me just paste this code that only works on its own and cannot be integrated into the module at large

>>68670285
>I'm retarded and don't know how to describe inputs and outputs to allow something to be integrated into the module at large

>>68670274
Art can be evaluated objectively, I don't give a shit what post-modernist cult bullshit you prescribe to, your taste is objectively dog shit if you can enjoy AI porn.

>>68670254
>Explain how art produces material economic benefit? It doesn't help me day-to-day, it doesn't feed me, it doesn't clothe me, it doesn't heal me, it does do anything of actual material value.
Because it is your hobby, not your job. In which case AI art shouldn't bother you at all since you draw purely for your own satisfaction and there is absolutely nothing stopping you from continuing to do so.

>>68659569
Rent free.

>>68670231
Both the conversations going on are more interesting than discussing whatever Vaush beats off to.

>>68670231
artists are faggots Snowflake

>>68670357
You're failing to answer the question.

>>68668627
Yeah this is something I wonder about. I think Lolis insire one of two reactions. 1 Oh my god so cute, I must protect. 2 cunny cunny cunny. I think group two is able to hide themselves amongst those who are reaction type one.

I also think loli's are more acceptable in areas where a full grown adult female is more likely to just straight up be flat anyways.

>>68670144
Neither has every piece of human code ever produced? Not an argument.
The idea that AI code is just riddled with errors to the point of being unfunctional, your original claim, can only be the product of either bias or ignorance. It's actually quite good at producing functional code, the problems it has are mostly about using it efficiently, basically what >>68669831 said.

>>68659569
So another one for that page full of lolicon hypocrites I guess

>>68670342

>>68668704
Does this mean that most of the people in this board are...

>>68670434
>Neither has every piece of human code ever produced? Not an argument.
That literally is your argument.

>AI cannot produce flawless code
>>Yes it can
>No it can't
>>That's not an argument

I'm not reading the rest.

>>68659569
I think its the same guy that said
>I don't think the property rights of a rich person should be respected
>-t rich person
How anyone can even watch this dude spew and project his own bullshit into people is amazing. Burgers are mentally ill for people like this asshat to not be casted out of society.

>>68670434
To be fair, there was a 3 month period or something where chatgpt went to shit last year before they fixed whatever they fucked up. If that was his entire experience I can understand his position.

>>68670457
That's right. We're all Hololive vtubers. Every single one of us.

>>68659569
>lolicon &
Probably already pointed out but Pippa is a self described lolicon. Though for legal reasons has made the distinction between flat girls and prepubescent girls.

Something Vaush needs to always be remembered for are his handlers at the Pentagon. He is an exposed government shill.
The ruling class oligarchy leads so-called leftists and right-wingers around in circles and pits them against each other. January 6th was a mirror image of the 2020 riots. Marxist groups are supported by the same people who support the Ukrainian nazis.
My psa to you.

>>68667019
>ai
Shit
>other stuff
pretty good all things considered.

>>68670378
>more interesting
The truth is no, it's some artists having a meltdown and attacking anyone who doesn't kiss their feet

>>68670332
yeah let me write a page-long prompt that describes all the in-house libraries and class structures involved
shut up nocoder

>>68669561
>AI generators have been caught out an unthinkable amount of times literally just ripping parts of images out and pasting them

No, they haven't, because that's not how it works. It's virtually impossible to get the machine to specifically pull out even a part of an image that exists within its model. People have tried. You end up having to go into such absurdly specific detail that what you're actually doing is essentially reconstructing the image from scratch through the filter of the algorithm.

>>68670342
Art can't be valued objectively. That's kind of what makes it art. Otherwise everybody here could agree on an oshi as clearly that person would be objectively the best.

>>68670582
skill issue

>>68670582
See, it sounds like you've never actually played around with these things or watched other people do so.

>>68670592
>No, they haven't, because that's not how it works
Yes they actually have and the engineers behind those generators have actually admitted it in their bug fixes.

>>68670515
>Something Vaush needs to always be remembered for are his handlers at the Pentagon. He is an exposed government shill.
Thanks for informing me about that but the porn he has is pretty good, except for the one with the horses.

Dude defended literal possession and consumption of CP turns out to be lolicon. Shocking.

>>68670486
Are you seriously incapable of distinguishing between "AI usually produces functional code" and "AI always produces flawless code"?

>>68667792
Watch people say that this is okay while the other is not though because politics are brain rot.

>>68670396
Oh I see, we're doing basic economics for retards. Ok then.
>Person A produces art
>Person B likes person A's art and want's to have it for themselves
>Person A agrees to give the art to Person B in exchange for payment
>Person B agrees to Person A's terms and hands over the agreed-upon payment in exchange for the art
>Person A has been materially economically benefitted by their art
The only scenario in which this doesn't apply is one in which you are producing art purely for its own sake and not for payment, in which case AI art has absolutely no effect on you. So yes, my post >>68670357 did, in fact, answer your question.

>>68670515
>the same people who support the Ukrainian nazis
yeah, me

>>68670599
No that's a post-modernist take that was literally invented by the CIA as a counter to Soviet claims that the USA was in artistic and moral decline compared to the USSR. I'm not fucking with you, that's the actual reason why the idea that 'all art is subjective' is so prominent today.

>>68669551
>anti-leftist
?
>pro-western imperialist
The iron boot of democratic republicanism stamping down on poor innocent monarchists is the very model of authoritarian left
>doesn't want anything past social safety nets
This is not a centrist viewpoint, it is an 'only-sorta-left' viewpoint.

>>68670662
my job gives me copilot access, virgin.
it’s shit for all purposes except generating self-contained scripts for misc tasks.

>>68670342
>Art can be evaluated objectively
porn is objectively not art,coomer

>>68670726
>the CIA as a counter to Soviet claims that the USA was in artistic and moral decline compared to the USSR
False commie

>>68670666
Actual horseshit.

>>68670691
The physical art work does not produce material benefit for the owner. Your example doesn't make sense since the original point has nothing to do with whether or not an artist can be paid for their work.

>>68670768
Bullshit, Picasso is on record saying if you don't have a taste for women you're not a real artist.

>>68660877
I never understand how this shit keeps happening. Don't streamers have their personal computer and their streaming PC?

>>68670812
I don't know how you come out of my statement thinking I'm a communist. Soviet art was infinitely more soulful than post-modernism though.

>>68659569
This thread is boring, what is your favorite porn?

>>68670966
Asanagi.

>>68670925
Smart ones do.

>>68670966
Futa marine raping various hololive members
https://nhentai.net/g/413905/

>>68670905
>women=porn
Picasso is based, you are cringe

>>68670873
>The physical art work does not produce material benefit for the owner.
You're missing the point. A person desires a given artwork simply because they like it. Owning it makes them happy. Buying something simply because it makes you happy is a perfectly valid benefit. Furthermore, the fact that the artwork had to be bought means that it is effectively a store of monetary value and may be later resold if the person wishes; this is the entire basis of art trading.

>>68671047
Not him, but pretty much every professional artist ever has had a stash of lewds that they drew, even if they never published them.

>>68671031
I like it the other way around, marine being raped by holofutas
https://nhentai.net/g/448137/

>>68670726
OK, what's the best art ever then? I have to agree because clearly if we're being objective there's a scale you can use that I can't just say "I don't like this" to.

>>68669881
how dare you mess with my thread searching capabilities.

>>68670510
excellent. step two, get closer to talents

>>68670966
Anything with oyakodon.

>>68659569
>always
There's a few examples of pedos going anti pedo as a smokescreen but the vast majority of the world hates pedophiles.
For every retard like this dude there's another several million that despise them just as much.
Hence why you're so afraid of the word pedophile and why you hide behind the identity of a "lolicon", who make an online culture of being horny for 2D kiddies all day long as well as using media and vtubers involving them as a pastime, but fervently deny being pedophiles. Men that jerk off to 6 year olds being gangraped, zip up their pants and immediately think "whew, good job I'm not one of those p-words".
You're just weeaboo pedophiles and require castration before the 2d stuff stops placating you.

>>68669874
So what's the actual issue here? That amateurs will get demotivated by AI art being better than them at the start? Oh please, people have been making orchestra music totally digitally for years and that doesn't stop people from picking up violins.

>>68671132
Yes, but how do you objectively define porn as art? What are the objective rules of good porn?Do you realize that you turn a fun thread into a stupid argument?

>>68670755
>This is not a centrist viewpoint, it is an 'only-sorta-left' viewpoint.
it is literally THE centrist viewpoint lmao

>>68670991
Man draws fantastic bodies, but I could never stand his down syndrome looking sameface.

Gamergate created a whole subgenre of debatebro grifter YouTuber, and we're still dealing with it now, what's soon to be ten years later. It's always been so bizarre to me how popular some of these absolute schlubs got.

>>68671234
>lolicon=pedo
Hello tourist, you have no power here

>>68671273
I wasn't trying to make a series point mang, just pointing out that art and pornography are inherently intertwined since it is human nature to chase the coom.

>>68671234
No, because they're two separate words with two separate meanings. If you've ever watched anybody die in a tv show you should just check yourself into a mental hospital because clearly you get off on people dying. It's only a matter of time before you snap and start killing people.

>>68671312
>Gamergate
These morons existed before that.Rent free,zoomer.

>>68671094
Absolutely, I think people get benefit out of art. But that is not the same word as material benefit which is a much more justified position to automate something. Non-tangible benefits like happiness are not as justified for automating something because you have to account for the unhappiness that it would provide also upon automation.

Art is a passion that a lot of people have and a lot of people aspire to be artists. It also an extremely accessible passion, all you need is $5 and you buy a pencil and a stack of paper and start. That aspiration gives them happiness and purpose. Why is the happiness of a consumer of art of greater value than an artist? I'd argue you're objectively decreasing the level of happiness in the world by stripping away the possibility for people to do art for a living by encouraging AI art. The majority of people who consume art are not so pedantic that they specifically require a very specific image to be happy. They will find a particular artist or collection of themes that they like and they can be moderately pleased with it. At the same time, those artist will be happy that they have found clients so they pursue their passions. When you introduce AI, the artist becomes miserable because they are no longer fulfilled and the trade off is that the person who was moderately please becomes marginally more pleased that they can now produce the 'perfect' image.
The world in terms of happiness, is an objectively worse place now.

>>68670966
https://nhentai.net/g/450638/
One of my faves, this artist draws some really good Moonas
>>68671031
I wish she had balls, but still really good

>>68671234
This anon is probably on the sexual offenders list

>>68671167
>OK, what's the best art ever then?
There is none. Simply because the best art ever could exist, doesn't mean it does.

>>68671362
I don't care, what is your favorite type of porn? Post images

People save shit to folders still? Goddamn, just make a favorites page on the websites you use.

>>68661754
this is an ai board chud

>>68671238
I don't know what your issue is. You just stated that it would easy for people to surpass AI art and therefore they shouldn't bitch about it. I corrected your claim and said that art is really fucking hard to do properly and it is not easy.

>>68671416
If it does not exist, that means that art is not objective.

>>68671283
I love his faces.

>>68671280
Traditionally rightists believe that the poor should give money to the rich because the rich are better at money than the poor. Sustainance farmers paying taxes levied to the coffers of wealthy landowners is how society functioned for millenia. Leftism sought to flip this script and have the rich people pay the poor people taxes because the poor people ??? the money. Centrism in this case would be no net tax benefit for either group.

>>68671446
Facts

>>68671485
Simply because the perfect cat does not exist doesn't mean that cats don't exist but we can agree that cats do exist therefore there is a quality of catness that cats do possess and therefore it is theoretically possible that there would be a catness with the most objective catness possible thereby making it the perfect cat.

>>68671541

>>68671376
I was there. Whatever disparate elements of this were floating around, they didn't come together as this huge phenomenon until GG or in reaction to it.

>>68671378
This sounds like a problem for insecure, low-effort artists who are as good or worse than the AI and can't imagine being better. For everyone else who has the modest amount of talent or ambition it takes to be better than AI crap, it's a great boon that eradicates a good chunk of imposter syndrome. They've finally been granted a solid benchmark, letting them definitively say "Well at least I'm better than the AI".

>>68671523
How about we just flatten the wealth distribution a tiny bit by increasing minimum wage and putting a cap on sales price per item category so that merchants can't just charge more and gobble those increased wages up.

>>68668245
We used the tech to bomb people so actually we doubled down on this technology

>>68671541
You can tell this is AI because it always does water in this very specific painterly way. Also the fence is like 2 feet tall and floating off the ground. The fence also suddenly becomes darker on the right side indicating the sun doesn't reach that point but somehow the tree is in full illumination but the other part of the fence is illuminated despite the sun being in the top left? There is something fucky happening at the interaction between her left forearm and her bikini string. The heart accessory in her hair is fucked up. Her collar bones are asymmetrical and the right one doesn't connect to her shoulder. Her right leg isn't connected to her pelvis. Her arms are too short.

I could keep going.

>>68671378
>Non-tangible benefits like happiness are not as justified for automating something
They absolutely are
>you have to account for the unhappiness that it would provide also upon automation.
You absolutely don't

Again, if you produce art purely because it is your passion, AI art generation does not affect you in any way. You can just keep doing what you're doing and encourage others who feel the same way as you do to do so.
>stripping away the possibility for people to do art for a living
This, however is the problem and the point that I have been trying to get across this entire time; artists are are beholden to the same economic pressures as any other skilled craft. If people can get what they want easier and cheaper then they will do so. The professional artist's desire to make a living from their passion is now conflicting with other people's desire for profit, as has been the case for skilled craftsmen throughout history. My whole point is that artists do not deserve special treatment.

>post that fapping to kids means you're a pedo
>sit back and watch the beady eyed creatures snarl in response
it's like a day at the zoo watching the chimps, except even chimps know not to fuck little chimps

>>68671465
Well I disagree. You're acting like the bar is way higher than it is. Beating the AI is as simple as having a more interesting style than that particular shitty digital style that the majority of lazy AI art seems to follow. The ceaseless proliferation of that art style is actively lowering that bar every day.

>sex offender still projecting

>>68670991
Asanagi's doujins start as fun and edgy only to pull something truly vomit inducing midway through
I enjoy his artstyle though

>>68671591
No, before it was atheists who occupied that place. Furthermore, the SJWs already existed before GG.

>>68667945
yea being a faggot is based, true, 2024

>>68671751
>You absolutely don't
So, how do you then determine who's happiness is more valuable?

>Again, if you produce art purely because it is your passion, AI art generation does not affect you in any way
Most people would like to be able to do their passion as a source of income. AI art introduces a massive obstacle for people to do that.

>The professional artist's desire to make a living from their passion is now conflicting with other people's desire for profit, as has been the case for skilled craftsmen throughout history. My whole point is that artists do not deserve special treatment.
Again, we go back to the point of tangible versus non-tangible benefits. Things like clothes which used to be crafted by tailors, shouldn't be gatekept because those things are materially beneficial to improving the material quality of life to a lot of people. AI art does not come under this.

>>68661985
not hating all communists just on principle alone

>>68671636
Price control is a very dangerous tool that can cause a LOT of secondary issues if you're not careful.

>>68671750
Nobody said it wasn't AI, moron. I bet you don't know which "vtuber" is the one in the image

>>68671636
The best way to flatten wealth distribution is to take all of the money that poor retards were using to bet on sports and put a gun to their heads and force them to put it into a retirement fund instead. It doesnt matter how much more money goes to poor people in the current leftist utopia because they will trip over each other in a rush to hand it back to the owner of the gambling den.

>>68668250
>You’re denying your own human nature
my boy, you've already done that when instead of fucking you decided to jack it to a bunch of leds on a screen. you are literally posting on a vtuber board right now, you're way past the point where you could still hold onto your humanity.

>>68671755
>except even chimps know not to fuck little chimps
It's obvious that you don't know anything about biology.

>>68671895
You aren't wrong. It COULD work, but I can't say I trust the government to do it correctly.

>>68661584
enough times that i always assume it is the case

>>68659569
Thread's theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52i14wYBef8

>>68671939
Hey man, those scratch tickets aren't going to pay for themselves. Wait, I mean yes they will! Eventually...

>>68671570
The first anon did not say anything about perfect, but rather what the best art is objectively.
answer him coward

>>68671960
That's where I usually end up. I'd very happily put up with all sorts of regulations if only I could trust government for shit.

>>68671863
>So, how do you then determine who's happiness is more valuable?
You don't. No one person's happiness is worth more than anybody elses.
>Most people would like to be able to do their passion as a source of income.
The free market couldn't care less what people would like, only what generates the most profit
>Again, we go back to the point of tangible versus non-tangible benefits.
Because it is a pointless non-argument to begin with. A benefit is a benefit regardless of the form it takes. Tangibility is irrelevant.

The point you seem to be trying to make is that art has some special, ephemeral quality that other types of goods do not. The point that I am trying to make is that while YOU may believe that, the rest of society (and more importantly our economic system) does not, which in turn means that any attempt to restrict AI art is doomed to failure, consequences be damned.

I hate phasecucks

>>68671612
>For everyone else who has the modest amount of talent or ambition it takes to be better than AI crap
How do you expect people to get up to a level to beat a machine that has been trained on millions of images of art of people with decades of experience? People will burn out and not pursue art as a career, thus decreasing the amount of potential original art in the world.

>letting them definitively say "Well at least I'm better than the AI".
Artists will have imposter syndrome no matter what.

>>68671327
>you have no power here
nobody does, this is a reservation for the powerless. some, however, aren't confined to this place and are only here to mock and ridicule you.

Stop talking about socialism and start talking about the topic of the thread.
What is your favorite type of porn?

>>68671851
>the atheists
oh god don't remind me about the amazing atheist, funnily enough he's also a fat fuck degenerate just like vaush

>>68671769
>Beating the AI is as simple as having a more interesting style than that particular shitty digital style that the majority of lazy AI art seems to follow
Nigger, 'style' doesn't develop for years and years. You need to train yourself in fundamentals firstly which takes years and then after grinding, and grinding copies and studies of other artworks you enjoy, you will slowly begin to adopt their styles into a unique blend and THEN you will actually have the skills to deliberately break fundamental rules of art for the sake of stylisation.

Just creating something that is incorrect and saying 'it's my style' because you were too lazy to learn fundamentals won't help you because you have no idea how or why the thing you did looks good and you won't be able to replicate it because you simply got lucky.

>>68672079

>>68672029
I'm still waiting

What is your favorite loli, /vt/?

>>68672154
Brown mesugakis.

>>68670254
yes i am still superior to the other nigger because I can look at the pretty image, which makes me happy

>>68671863
>Most people would like to be able to do their passion as a source of income. AI art introduces a massive obstacle for people to do that.

There's a reason the notion of a starving artist is ancient. Not every artist has the talent or opportunity to stand out and earn a living with their art. The internet created a unique environment that greatly expanded opportunities for artists to gain exposure and commercialize their work. It also massively increased the amount of competition a given artist has. AI is simply more competition. The game is the same as ever: stand out or starve.

>>68672061
>You don't. No one person's happiness is worth more than anybody elses.
Right, so therefore you should weigh up your options and decide which options en masse, produces the most happiness or the least unhappiness.
>The free market couldn't care less what people would like, only what generates the most profit
So? Why the free market the arbiter or what is good or right? We haven't had a free market, literally ever.
>Because it is a pointless non-argument to begin with. A benefit is a benefit regardless of the form it takes. Tangibility is irrelevant.
Tangibility is relevant because tangibility indicates a level of value that is beyond simple happiness. It's easy to say, yes we should automate farming because we need that to fucking live and living is good. It's not so easy to say we should automate art because it makes a subset of the population happy, because you are simultaneously making another subset of the population unhappy.

>The point you seem to be trying to make is that art has some special, ephemeral quality that other types of goods do not.
No I'm arguing the exact opposite. Art has literally no other quality other than making people happy which is why it is a unique good. It does absolutely nothing.

>he point that I am trying to make is that while YOU may believe that, the rest of society (and more importantly our economic system) does not,
I agree with you, but that is argumentum ad populum.
>hich in turn means that any attempt to restrict AI art is doomed to failure, consequences be damned.
Then why are you arguing so defensively? If you believe it's inevitable, then you have no reason to defend it. I don't believe it's inevitable because people value happiness above all and I'd rather we didn't have to go the route of fucking and then unfucking ourselves because this is a mistake that could be stopped.

>>68672323
excellent taste

>>68672368
>because art has always been a difficult career
>therefore it should be made worse

?

>>68671902
Nigger I know nobody said it wasn't AI art. I'm making a point that even as images as apparently perfect as this on the surface level, completely fail in artistic fundamentals because AI does not learn or understand art the same way a human does. Also fuck off retard, I know it's neuro.

>>68672368
>>68672372

>>68672029
The fuck is the semantic difference between "objectively the best" and "perfect"?

>>68660877
I am both embarrassed that I recognize the matsuri art and the stocking thumbnail but also laughing that he has those.

>>68671755
You... don't know anything about chimps do you?

>>68672446
>apparently perfect
Are you stupid? This is not even close to being perfect, it's just porn

>>68672076
>People will burn out and not pursue art as a career, thus decreasing the amount of potential original art in the world.

Nah, you're wildly underestimating the creative spirit. Anyone who's gonna burn out that easy was never gonna make it.

>>68670905
would Picasso be a
>single word reply
>it just says "faggot"
poster?

>>68672360
>yes i am still superior to the other nigger because I can look at the pretty image, which makes me happy
Subjectively, what if he doesn't give a shit? What if, by caring this art work, you actively decrease your own material wealth? What if the artwork is destroyed and you become unhappy because of it?

That's my point, that art is a very unique good when talking about it in terms of economics.

>>68670991
>japanese shadman

Damn look at that hot piece of ass

PUT ANOTHER QUARTER IN THE 'PIPPA WAS RIGHT' JAR!

>>68659569
wait, so when it's a leftie that has loli pics then loli is bad?

>>68672475
Don't you know how to use the dictionary? answer what is the best art that exists, no matter how imperfect it is

>>68672510
Yes because he was too busy fucking and painting

Vaush if you're lurking, drop that AI slop, I have some reccomendations for you

>>68672498
That's why I said apparently.

>>68672558
jacking off to horses is worse than loli

>>68672372
>Right, so therefore you should weigh up your options and decide which options en masse, produces the most happiness or the least unhappiness.
In which case the only logically correct choice is to favor non-artists over artists since there are considerably more of the former than the latter, giving the greatest net gain in happiness.
>Then why are you arguing so defensively?
I'm not. You're the one going on about how art deserves to be protected from automation (a protection that no other industry has ever gotten, I might add). My argument is that it wont, nor should it.

>>68672508
>Nah, you're wildly underestimating the creative spirit. Anyone who's gonna burn out that easy was never gonna make it.
You're a retard, I'm literally an artist. The 'creative spirit' you talk about doesn't pay bills. Producing porn does.

>>68672510
No, because he would refuse to speak English.
puto

>>68671816
When did 4chan become full of pussies?

>>68672589
WHY WON'T ANYONE THINK OF THE POOR FICTIONAL HORSES? THEY'RE IN EVEN MORE DANGER THAN THE FICTIONAL LOLIS. WE HAVE TO STOP THESE PEOPLE BEFORE THEY ATTACK THE DRAWINGS.

>>68672582
Human slop is still slop

>>68672570
I don't know all art, so I can't answer that question.

>>68672582
the only anti-ai fag who made a good argument in this thread.

>>68672607
but what if it's a loli horse?

>>68672627
And have you been making notably less money from your porn since AI art became popular?

>>68671816
example?

>>68671755
you are very retarded

>>68669551
>anti-left
All leftists like him are self-loathing.

>>68659569
Who

>>68672694
>I don't know all art, so I can't answer that question
>I don't know all art,
>I don't know
>I
So art is not objective.

>>68672613
>In which case the only logically correct choice is to favor non-artists over artists since there are considerably more of the former than the latter, giving the greatest net gain in happiness.
No. Go back to what I said before
"The majority of people who consume art are not so pedantic that they specifically require a very specific image to be happy."

The people who consume art have a pretty elastic happiness. They will mostly be happy with what already exists since there is already so much. The happiness of an artist who has no hope of an income unless they spend a decade grinding, is very inelastic, they will be borderline suicidal that they are unable to fulfil themselves no matter how hard they try. There may be more consumers of art than artists, but artists per capita, will produce way more unhappiness.

> (a protection that no other industry has ever gotten, I might add)
Art is unlike any other industry because it's produces a unique good with a unique benefit. So it shouldn't be dealt with the same as other more tangible crafts.

>>68672821
a cheap copy of pekora who became famous for being paranoid

>>68671959
>>68672490
Proof that chimps fuck there young mr.Goldberg

>>68671234
>For every retard like this dude there's another several million that virtue signal.

>>68672405
The point is that you're trying to imagine a world where making money from art will ever get easier, but it never will. The easier it is to get any money from it, the more competition there will be and the less money you'll actually be able to get. You've always had to work hard if you want to be serious and you always will.

>>68672886
>/vt/
>fuck
Lmao,go back newfag.

>>68672731
No because I have been lucky to have formed a community of people who value my unique art style and the subject matter I have chosen to be an expert on (gore primarily) well before AI art was a thing. That doesn't mean I don't understand the struggles of a beginner artist and how demotivating it was to even see teenagers who are better than you after drawing for 6 months. I can only imagine how dogshit it must feel to have some currynigger spam your twitter saying your art is shit and look what he made in 5 minutes PROOOMMPTING.

If I were to start now, I'm not sure my menhera ass could have withstood it.

>>68672323
>>68672385
Gyaru mesugaki lolidom is better, tch.

>>68660877
I can't see anything with that dogshit quality

less politics, more lolis

>>68672928
Digital tools and the internet literally did make it easier for artists to earn money since you didn't need to invest in materials except a $50 screenless tablet, torrent CSP and a $100 laptop and you have access to a massive audience.

>>68672998
Do you have proof of that?

>>68672558
First time seeing chan logic?

>>68672840
I don't know what dots you're connecting, but they weren't ones I drew.

>>68668846
And then he says shit like this https://youtu.be/ivC2mAjlldo?t=1387
He just uses it when it's convenient to him.
He can try as he might, he will not be based as Destiny https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAoGlLJBpmA

>>68672450
twittoid image

>>68673006
Not a loli but close enough.

>>68673000
here you have it, campion
>>68667019

>>68659569
huh

>>68659569
I don't know what the fuck any of this flesh leech drama shit is. VTubers??? Phase Connect once again proving to be a fucking tumor.

>>68673062
It doesn't matter, you failed to argue your point.

Matsuri isn’t a loli

>>68673111
I mean I'm trying to see it, but...

>>68673206
No, but she has a model that is.

>>68673196
>I have no idea what you're talking about
>>Yeah and that's why you lose

I guess you got me there anon

>>68673025
>since you didn't need to invest in materials except a $50 screenless tablet, torrent CSP and a $100 laptop and you have access to a massive audience.

Yeah, and how many other people do you think did the same thing? The internet made it easier to get money, but that cuts both ways. Like that guro guy, you still have to stand out and carve a niche, just like always.

I've never watched Pippa but she seems annoying

>>68673072

>>68673067
>based as Destiny
your oshi is a cuck,reddit-san.

>>68673253
Nah

>>68673282
She's not that bad, but you're right.

>>68673271
Plenty of people earning a ton of money making boring porn slop which people love. Nothing original about them, but usually the slop is a means to an end so they train fundamental skills so they can then go on to make something actually creative.
Lots of people think art is just an estoeric ritual of throwing lines around and it will just work out. But in reality it's a fucking tedious, deliberate and difficult process that requires a ton of study and revision. That's why AI bros are so insistent about being seen as real artists because most of them are failed artists who couldn't hack the grind but still want the prestige and respect of being a real artist.

>>68673355
https://www.youtube.com/live/SMCm5yq-PME?si=nQMWcDF_5Y_FTM6p

Jesus AI gets some of you heated

>>68673067
No way, vaush is a fucking snake and will say whatever makes him look good in front of his audience? NO WAAAAAAAY

>>68673426
Nobody cares

>>68673561
I accept your concession.

I think it's cute that artists started to change their ideas because Asmongold said that art is subjective.

>>68673426
Eh, this is a similar line of thinking as smutty fanfiction being practice on the road to becoming a real writer. It works for some people perhaps, but I think very few in reality. I've seen plenty of people get stuck in those warm, shallow waters and never actually learn how to swim in the deep waters.

>>68673256
OK. If I have a picture of a real life animal, the cat, it is 100% a cat. All cats are 100% cats. They have every single quality that we agree define a cat, so they are all perfect cats. If you ask 100 people to look at a cat, and they have a word in their language for it, they will tell you it is a cat. If you ask me the absolute tallest mountain, I can tell you that Mt. Everest is the highest mountain above sea level. There are no mountains with a peak above sea level that is higher than that. There is no objective cap on "tall," so in theory if we find some gigantic rock that nobody's ever seen, it can be replaced by the new "tallest" rock. OK then, with the difference between perfect and best defined, what's the "best art" then? Clearly it's not by shading quality, or even fucking time invested into the art. There's been cases where art critics were fooled by a fucking literal chimp with a brush trying to decipher his elegant meanings. Art is a personal experience for everyone and we will never get the same reactions to a piece of art because there is no fucking objective scale to work with. If you show me Picasso, I can say "wow that looks like trash. There isn't even any shading." If you show me the mona lisa, I can just say "it's ugly lol look at how small her tits are." It's all fucking opinions. There is no objectivity or else you would've brought up SOMETHING in a heartbeat instead of getting caught up in semantics.

>>68673581
and I don't care about your argument with the other moron

>>68673654
Not that guy, but its a little different with art. As long as you are doing character drawing, you will need fundamentals, especially when it comes to posing/anatomy its a loooot of drawing naked people to get good at drawing poses. And drawing is grind, writing is a little more deliberate, since it does not require actual muscle memory/dexterity.

>>68673689
You won the argument, art is subjective.

>>68673689
>They have every single quality that we agree define a cat

Like what? For example, cats have whiskers and ears on the top of their head. If I pulled out a cats whiskers and cut off their ears, are they still a perfect cat now? Their level of catness has objectively decreased and not every cat will have every feature of every other cat. They will all be a unique blend of catness. So there is no perfect cat.

>There's been cases where art critics were fooled by a fucking literal chimp with a brush trying to decipher his elegant meanings.
Yes, because that's post-modernism philosophy. It's not real. It's a CIA psyop.
>Art is a personal experience for everyone
Sure. I don't disagree with that. But aesthetics is an objective philosophy.

>we will never get the same reactions to a piece of art because there is no fucking objective scale to work with.
Why is the objectiveness of art determined by public reaction? Doesn't sound very objective.

> If you show me Picasso, I can say "wow that looks like trash. There isn't even any shading." If you show me the mona lisa, I can just say "it's ugly lol look at how small her tits are." It's all fucking opinions
No, you're just retarded and not contextualising the pieces because you lack artistic education.
Just like I could look at some nigger doing second order integration and I can say, "lmao this isn't maths, it doesn't even have any numbers, fucking retard"

>>68671957
No, because when I fap over some Holo dojin, I’m sharing a fantasy with the author. When I have a really good rope of thick sperm pumped out of my dick, I have the feeling of appreciation for the artist or comradeship.
Ok, or imagine Pippa calling you a jobless kissless 32 years old virgin. You may want to give her some lessons, but what if it’s Neuro Sama saying the same words to you in stream? You may get upset but in a different way than you do with the case of Pippa.
That’s human nature. In the absence of human nature, you can’t even get angry.

>>68673734
It's not as different as you'd think. Good writing requires practice and study. It's just a mental exercise rather than a physical one, but the principles are similar. And in either case, you can end up settling into a smut niche that ends up hampering your overall development.
God knows how many talented artists have been lost to drawing furry art to pay the bills and then getting trapped there.

>>68672154
I'm always partial to some good futa
https://files.catbox.moe/denzbo.jpg

>>68661584
I regularly watch his streams and it was extremely sus to me how often he mentioned pedo/loli stuff. I had a hunch that he might be a lolicon.

>>68668846
>>68669115
>I don't think Vaush was actually a part of [the anti loli crusade]
He is definitely is. He regularly mentions how japans got a problem with "normalizing pedo shit" and how loli stuff is disgusting.
The quote about the possessing THAT kind of material is from a very old, very poorly presented argument against child-labor.
The gist of it was this:
>If cp is bad because children were harmed in the production of it and it incentivises further harm, then sweat-shop child-labor is bad for the same reasons, and therefore most people aren't ethically consistent when they condemn cp but don't give a fuck about the products of child labor, like cheap clothing, being bought en masse in western countries.
Again, its meant to be an argument against child labor, but due to the way it was being presented most people interpreted it as an argument in favor of cp.

Pippa is the H3H3 of vtubers

>>68674060
What I'm saying is that drawing is both a mental and a physical endeavor. Not saying one is harder than the other, but with drawing you have to get your body up to par to how your brain works. If you know how the perspective works, where the lines should go, but you physically can't lay down the line on the paper where you want it, it won't work. Gotta grind. And sure, writing or rather any skill requires practice, its just some skills require an amount of somewhat mindless grind to physically get you good enough.

>>68668846
>I don't think Vaush was actually a part of that
Bro, you have a clip here in this thread where he goes off on how disgusting this pedo shit is (dragon maid) and he won't even watch the clip because fuck pedos.

>>68674161
So Pippa is jewish?

>>68674161
Nah, she is actually relevant.

>>68674017
OK so post the best art then. Go on. Max out the aesthetic scale.

>>68674036
Neuro-sama is funnier than Pippa, that means humanity is overrated

>>68674120
His point there is kinda dumb. Most people are just blithely ignorant as to which goods are made in sweatshops and how bad those sweatshops are (not all of them are using child labor after all). Meanwhile you don't need to do any research into the production to know cp is a bad thing. And I don't think anyone would disagree that abusive child labor in a sweatshop is a bad thing.
In other words, it's a poor comparison and, given the weight of the subject matter, I can see how people would take it the wrong way.

>>68672154
I like maledom.
A woman either voluntarily or involuntarily submitting to dick is just the best.
For the same reason I generally prefer NTR stuff, not because I'm actually into cuck shit, but because in most non-NTR stuff the guy is effectively just a meat-dildo.
In most vanilla hentai the sex just happens to the guy without any active involvement.
Whereas NTR is basically just a sexual power fantasy if you ignore the cuck and self-insert as the cucker.

>>68672301
Shion. correcting brats is incredibly erotic.

>>68674313
I can't retard. Post the best cat.

>>68660877
>>68668774
Every single Anti or twitter freak is a porn addict or a pedophile, every single one of them.

>>68660877
>>68661715
>>saved that Matsuri pic
kek

>>68674313

>>68674478
Behold, a perfect cat. Now show me the best art.

>>68674120
>If cp is bad because children were harmed in the production of it and it incentivises further harm, then sweat-shop child-labor is bad for the same reasons
Holy shit that was his take? This is peak retarded. Or did he manage to find someone who was ok with children working in sweat shops but not ok with CP? That would be the only reason to bring up this argumentation. Also its a dumb comparison since CP absolutely 100% has to harm a child in its production, since you know a child is involved. Sweatshops exist without children as well.

>>68674541
I concede. Clearly this is the best art and I have seen the error of my ways. Art is truly objective.

qrd on this vaush character? what about him warrants a 350 reply thread?

>>68674313
Ame's art

>>68674577
You got me there anon. That is the best cat

>>68674631
He is the leftie poster boy on youtube. Loves shitting on "right wing degenerates" while gooning it to horse porn and lolis.
Vtuber mentioned this so now we have a shipost thread.

>>68674631
He didn't warrant that many replies. Him having some loli AI porn is what got people making the usual arguments.

>>68674631
This is Vaush thread? I thought this was a thread on the philosophical, moral and economic aspects of art

>>68674631
Notorious anti-"nazi" anti-anime and anti-vtuber leftoid who is openly pro-pedophile.

I'm going to masturbate with ai-art

>>68674728
weird, usually the anti-anime and anti-vtuber crowd hide the pedophile part

>>68674713
>This is Vaush thread?
Nope,porn thread

>>68674825
basde

>>68670966
one of my favorites

>>68674631
lefist political commentator / streamer.
self described democratic socialist.
Used to do a lot of debates with pretty much anyone, i.e. communists, conserveratives, liberals and nazis.
Tends to get into drama with other leftist due to generally not being a wokescold and not having "america bad" as his mantra for foreign policy takes.
Likes horse cock.

>>68674728
>anti-anime
he's a weeb. this is his myanimelist profile https://myanimelist.net/profile/Irishladdie

>>68674728
>anti-anime and anti-vtuber
>has a full portfolio of hentai of Matsuri
Lmao

>>68674908
Sexo

>>68674939
>democratic socialist.
So he's a Nazi?

>>68659678
Fucking kek I hate that this garbage thread made it to autosage

>>68675023
No. Not a nazi. More of an ultra democracy guy. He hates both nazis and tankies.
Democratize the economy, but not by build an authoritatrian, dictatorial government, like the USSR or China, but by actually doing democracy.

But isn’t it actually a kind of Nazi to embrace AI generated porn only because it’s technological advancement that makes your fuck hard?
If you were a German citizen in 1930, a Nazi party would have given you
>job
>paid holidays
>tourism
because they knew how to run the gov in a scientific way that was already proven by their success.
And you needed to accept the idea of
>master race
>eugenics
because they were cutting edge scientific concepts at the time and nobody could not prove it wrong because of the lack of evidences and research powers.
In the end,
>masturbating with AI art is a way to fascism

>>68675325
>because they knew how to run the gov in a scientific way that was already proven by their success.
Bruh they rejected nuclear bomb research because they thought it was jewish

>>68674728
Pro pedo but vehemently anti loli? Sounds like a nutjob