/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>68625773
>he didn't listen to the 2 hour stream

>>68625773
she was probably reading the writing on the wall and preparing in advance

>>68625773
Ain't most of these her old merch she sold before she was Selen?

>>68625773
I think you misunderstood what she was saying. She was trying to negotiate a neutral exit, so she was going to leave no matter what. But instead Niji posted that they fired her. That was the part that caught her off-guard.

>>68625806
what part of that stream explains how they have physical shippable goods ready so fast?

Those designs are almost three years old, fuckface.
https://twitter.com/daefny/status/1371731882098880518

>>68626043
so she didn't know about the termination before the announcement yet she was planning this for three years? seems sus to me bro

>>68625773
she was always going to graduate retard

>>68625773
>somehow they have all this merch ready
You should watch the 2hr ad where she repeatedly talks about companies flooding her business and manager's inbox after the termination. She's probably getting the Hyte deal too. You should look up her new manager too. You're probably not used to the speed because you're used to NijiEN. Look at other indie vtubers or vshojo to see how quick they get merch out.

>>68626043
ah...I'm gonna take this L and disappear in a puff of retardness...

>>68626028
That's the neat part retard, they don't

>>68626028
The part where she got a new manager who works in esports who is able to pump this shit out
Not everyone does business like an autistic japanese corporation that waits a year before pumping anything out

1. She was already trying to leave on neutral terms via graduation.
2. https://twitter.com/dokibird/status/1738433076479525110
3. https://twitter.com/dokibird/status/1739501756659507206

Anon it was obvious she WOULD be terminated they just didn't tell her shit about the WHEN. She was working on different things ever since kurosanji stealth suspended her. People have been saying this for the whole month.

>>68625773
She was done with Niji after the music video got taken down, it was just a matter of when/how she would leave. She wanted to graduate, they fired her instead.

>>68626188
That doesn't sound like it wasn't pre-planned at all.

>>68626015
Exactly this. Like Pomu, she was planning to leave without exposing all this shit but Niji just had to write up a 3 page termination to drag her through mud to satisfy their ego and cause a PR nightmare.

>>68625773
>old merch

>>68626188
She was working on her merch on Dec. 23
https://twitter.com/dokibird/status/1738433076479525110
Now remember she asked management for perms to upload her last cup of coffee on Dec. 24 and blew it two days later.
Really makes you think

Literally Niji management
https://youtu.be/PqQ62B8xdJc?si=XKPFJlkeHiaJugUH

>>68625773
Retard seeing his first preorder, decides to make thread

>>68626134
Her original plan was to graduate on good terms at the end of January. No idea how far in advance she knew but I'm assuming for at least a couple months prior to that date. Then things went down how they did.

>>68625773
She was preparing to graduate much earlier you mongoloid failure of a woman.

>>68626028
She prepared it and ran it by her lawyer incase they Zion her, she actually talked about it close to the end of the stream, she was surprised by the timing but aware that it is a possibility.

>>68625773
She tweeted a month ago that she was preparing personal merch to make up the $15k. She needed rent money and NijiEN wasn't letting her stream.

>>68626909
>Her original plan was to graduate on good terms at the end of January.
She made statements in December that she planned to be in NijiEN for years to come.

>>68626755
>get wind of Pomu's graduation
>start preparing her own exit
>try to get her MV out before Pomu's graduation
>"haha, fuck you"
>suicide attempt happens
>asks to be graduated already
>"ok, we'll put you in The Queue™"
>sudden termination at 5 AM without emailing her first

>>68626668
???
Yes, you obviously didn't watch the stream. You're not even a threadreader.

She said she was already planning ahead for months leave eventually. Just hoped it would be an amicable parting on her own terms, instead of the Kurosanji public execution she actually got.

>>68625773
Embarrassing post

>>68627108
and were those statements before or after niji took down her cover?

>>68625773
I'm saving up to buy her HYTE case.

>>68626134
Bruh, this is her old doki merch, like pre-niji merch

she was planning this ever since the "lost 15k" tweet in christmas

think anon, think

>>68625773
>NotSelen has said that she didn't know about the termination
Yes good job you fucking tard, she didn't knew about the termination but was trying to get out with a graduation for weeks
Sisters are truly women because only women can be this fucking retarded

>>68626971
She was preparing merch even before that, to sell on Etsy to her old fans. The tweet you're thinking of was just saying she'd release it sooner than she was previously going to.

>>68626028
They're not being shipped for months and being made to order...

>>68625773
She was trying to schedule an exit without backlash by Jan 26.

>>68626028
Help me out here anon, what does "preorder" mean to you?

NDF are truly not sending their best

>>68628187
Plot twist: THIS is their best.

>>68626015
>>68626671
This 'negotiation' would involve taking AC to court though.
>demanded that ANYCOLOR should be held legally responsible

>>68625773
>a lot better than Niji merch
SHE’S WINNING!!!! HOW CAN NIJI COMPETE????

>>68629007
Are you saying they shouldn't be held legally responsible?

>>68627911
How do you hate women while defending a woman?

>>68629229
Soft Incel.

>>68625773
Anon doesn't have very many braincells I guess.

>>68629217
Well they don't think so because they denied her bullying/harassment claims. And it sounds like she was planning to sue the person who bullied her as well, but they must have evidence against it if they denied it.

The store is shuttered for bug fixing but in the time it was up, products were all preorder with an estimated ship date of March-April.

>>68626671
My wife Pomu LEFT? when?

>>68629217
Nta but why should they? For arguments sake let’s say Selen is telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Anycolor doesn’t force you to stream except birthdays, they don’t force you to interact with other livers, they don’t force you to create anything, if you so choose you can even bow out of events and sponsors. If anything outside of Vshojo she’d either be terminated earlier or be extremely isolated

>>68629448
>>68629007
Workplace harassment is illegal everywhere you fucking retard.

>>68629503
Have you been living under a rock since the beginning of the year? It happened right after the New Year.

>>68629229
Women I like are good and women I hate should be dropped into death valley and then nuked.

>>68629577
But you have to prove it happened. It sounds like AC is pretty confident that it didn't from the "firmly believes" statement.

>>68629007
Legal responsibility in this case could be as simple as them waiving any penalty clauses for ending the contract early. Or as complex as her filing suit for workplace harassment. It's intentionally too vague of a statement to draw any real conclusions on. It's probably the only line in the entire notice that was done correctly. Keeping it open to interpretation prevents people from using it to attack the company, because fans can argue it was intended to mean something else. And nobody can prove one way or the other. This leads to people bickering amongst each other instead of directing the hate towards the company itself.

>>68629464
March-April? This is either low quality or in the works for a few months. Does she have proof of model to show? Yes means this is planned no means low quality

>>68625773
YOU TOOK THIS AWAY FROM ME!!!!

>>68629667
>Management has investigated themselves and found that management did nothing wrong

>>68629448
>we conducted a thorough investigation on ourselves and found us not guilty
Hmmm. Makes you think.

>>68629819
It's the exact same merch she was selling before she joined Nijisanji, you fucking moron.

>>68629577
How do you harass a grown adult online? I’m not being sarcastic

>>68629822
When she leaves that black company, you can buy one with her new model on it. She will get more than 2% of the proceeds too. Those cases have really poor air cooling, so I hope you know what you are doing.

>>68625773
It's her old merch, you fucking retard, she's been talking about putting it up since the beginning of December at least, come the fuck on

>>68630020
How does that relate to my point?

>>68629822
spraypaint a case yourself and just slap some downloaded png's on the glass, there, I saved you the corporate markup these collab merch products always have. No need to thank me

>>68629822
Don't blame Selen, blame Anycolor for being a black company.

>>68629969
On the opposite end you’re believing Selen because? Rushia said she was bullied to though to be fair in her case she lives with her tormentors in the same city.

>>68630115
Jesus your a fucken idiot

>>68630038
"you suck at APEX"

>>68629819
https://twitter.com/dokibird/status/1391941625140576262
>hey, manufacturer-san, its me. i made an order with you nearly 3 years ago. yeah? you still got the files? i'd like to reproduce the exact same thing. only one new aspect, which is a bundle with a handsigned card. yeah, i've got the cards on hand, i'll ship them over.

>>68630277
I don’t think Lui or Marine would’ve quit their jobs if they was making at least $200k a year salary

>>68629590
NYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>68625773
>brings back old merch
>OH MY GOD SHE WAS SO READY
retarded?

>>68626028
She was willing to part amicably. She was planning to go already so obviously she was getting a head start. The parting just happened sooner than she expected.

>>68626028
She has been planning on releasing merch for a while, scroll down on her twitter.

>>68629822
Good. Ringleader should get punished for ruining Nijien

>>68630530
>She was willing to part amicably
By taking AC to court?

>>68630666
By settling outside of it.

>>68630330
Cases like Zaion, Nina, Mysta, and the entirety of NijiKR have shown people within Niji are absolutely willing to bully and haras others for their own gain. It becomes an expected pattern.
Technically this situation is a shesaid-theysaid, but I have no reason to default to taking Anycolor's word in this scenario.

>>68630330
I'm believing Selene because her side of the story had less holes, and made sense considering Niji was already having a bit of an image issue with being a black company. On top of that the statement from niji itself did not add up and contradicted itself (she mislead people about us taking down the video, oh yea btw we took down the video).
So its pretty clear that nijis only goal was to make them look good no matter how much they had to lie about it. Even if they had to get the talents to lie about it (or hell even use talents accounts and pretend to be the talent and lie).
So yea, I will trust the word of someone who has not been caught in a bunch of lies, over the word of a company that clearly dislikes the truth.

>>68626028
>shippable goods
source on this? it's all pre-orders according to the stream

>>68630714
Or holos just make way more money so they're more inclined to put up with bullying. If you make barely over minimum wage you're more likely to just quit when you face problems.

>>68630714
NijiKR is an argument against Selen because they fired the bully (without a termination notice).

>>68626134
She wanted to ride it out in a big company like some homos and quit to bring her niji fans to her indie.

>>68631239
>If you make barely over minimum wage
Lets not pretend she was making minimum wage. Someone on minimum wage does not have 200k to spend on commissions.

>>68631239
My thesis is that Nijisanji simply hires fucking retards, which would explain the considerable amount of teenage-like drama going on within the company. Seems highly believable when you look at the content that people who are hired by the company make, and even keep making after they leave it.

>>68629448
Anon, why wouldn't they deny it even if they had internal evidence that it occurred and try to negotiate a settlement?

>>68630398
Thank you anon for not being batshit crazy. Now as someone that had to do work like this back in the day even if that were true this time it would be made to order. Ready for delivery within the month would be hard pressed for one type of gear let alone a combination. So it’s either been ready a few months in advance or it’s low quality. People said she’s been preparing since at least December so months in advance

>>68627108
She probably gaslighted herself into thinking things would sail just fine after the MV. Then it completely fumbled because NIJI management is made of incompetent retards and practically forced her to not be able to do anything about the MV being deleted/blocked.
The moment after she knew the MV was never going to come back, the moment she knew things wouldn't get better, the moments after that when she booted up a game or something else and couldn't enjoy it anymore, that's when she broke and immediately after tried to end herself.
Do you know how hard it is to make someone unironically want to kill themselves?, the brain is practically made to stop people from instantly trying to off themselves from the get go.
You have to go through some actually horribly hopeless shit to actually be like "yeah, no, Life is not worth it" and then just lights out.
What the fuck did she see and lived through since her debut?

>>68630823
>she mislead people about us taking down the video, oh yea btw we took down the video
If this is the actual statement or even close to what was said that’s not a lie. >She said we took it down for this but that’s not true it was because of this
Maybe they were lying I didn’t check their notice but your statement wasn’t a lie

>>68632399
Asians have an incredibly high suicide rate but the fact that she went straight for that means she isn’t of sound mind. Not getting what you want so you try you off yourself sounds rational to you? You just made her out to be a big baby

>>68630038
Example, completely hypothetical. Say I was, uh, enna and i personally got your video taken down by calling management and saying "Selen never asked for my permission to use enna in her video". Them I publically go "you didn't get permissions for your video? They would never take down something so special to you" and then I went ahead and sent you a message saying "It was me, bitch! I got it taken down and if you say anything I will have them take down even more of your shit!" and then I send you a sound bite of me laughing. And then, if me and a couple of the boys were doing things like this all the time...

>>68632651

>>68626134
The standees and dakis are leftover stock that went unsold from her graduation 2 years ago. The stickers don't need more than 20 minutes to get ordered.

>>68629503
>Wife leaves
>Husbans notices a month after
Bruh, you are not a very good husband.

>>68632651
>>68633896
File never attached, sorry

>>68630330
She's not a corporation with a having of making patently false statements about their talent.

>>68629822
Anon that's an absolute scam. It's a transparent case with some stickers on it. Just buy pick and have an online print service make some stickers for you (shit's cheap too). If you want to feel extra buy a can of spray and spray the white parts.

>>68625773
dumb nigger

>>68629229
just like I defend my cat while hating the neighbors thief cat

>>68629822
Good
Fuck Nijisanji. Imagine you own this case, all your money going to niji, and Elira blows her brains out.

>>68632399
She was obviously already planning to graduate and the MV was her way to say goodbye, when management blocked it and it was clear to her they weren't gonna allow her to release it she just said fuck it I'm out of here anyway and released it herself.

I don't want to shit on the catalog or /HaHa/ so I'll just use this as the Doki schizo thread, but - are we sure Doki is suing Nijisanji? 100%? As in could it be that Nijisanji is suing her?
>Nijisanji considers the wording of Selen's "feel free to reupload" message to be damaging
>Specifically the part where she said management took it down
>It's true, but the wording was such that it damaged the company
>They tell her that
>She (justifiably) flies off the handle and slams the phone
>#WhereIsSelen happen
>More reputational damage
>She's still not picking the phone
>Nijisanji decides to sue her for damages
It would make sense why she emphasized so much on collaborating with Western Vtubers in her debut, as if the lawsuit goes south she might have trouble working with Japanese people.

>>68634905
Doki said that she got a lawyer involved after nijisanji started contacting (harassing?) her emergency contact.

>>68630666
that would unironically be "amicable", being outside of the public eye is important
What would affect anycolor financially the most? pay a couple digits to Selen in court or have a giant PR nightmare?

It’s weird how pl talk is basically normalized now.

>>68634905
She's not going to sue anyone, maybe through canadian government but certainly not herself. She has enough ammo to defend herself if needed, huge PR boost and bright future ahead. Suing only creates problems, stress and uncertainties.

>>68634905
If Nijisanji wants to be even more braindead pr wise sure they could be suing her

>68626134
It's fucking old merch she's selling again.
>68627108
>releasing a song she used to graduate as Doki
Naw she was planning on leaving, Also
>Might open merch preorders earlier than planned
even the post you used hints at that she was going to graduate unless you honestly think she was talking about Selen merch. Which would be retarded to think considering Niji talents don't make their money off of Merch. This bait doesn't even deserve (you)s

>>68629448
>they denied her bullying/harassment claims
Of course they fucking did, why would they EVER say anything else?

>>68626624
That makes me realize... if Niji had her allowed to leave it would have been nearly at the same time as Pomu. Couple that with the last shot of the video where Pomu drags Selen away by a rope...

>>68630338
People suddlen forgot that she got a big mouth but ultra thin skin.

>>68635311
kinda stupid that the idea of preorders goes over their heads
next thing you know, they'll be raging why the forecast for the weather isn't always right

>>68635089
Dokibird gave the OK for it and it's mostly acknowledged now as a way for Nijisanji to control their livers

>nijidefense force can't comprehend the idea of pre-orders
>doesn't understand that after being in limbo for almost a month she didn't expect this happening

>made no profit during her time in niji
>Is willing to take a loss on debut merch
She's really bad with money

>>68635740
It's amazing how gullible you guys are

>>68635740
Or she works for a black company, guess we'll never know. This is sarcasm btw. I don't know if sea niggers have that.

>>68635740

>made no profit
>spent 200k on shit

Do you even fucking believe yourself? This shit is the equivalent of mr. beast asking you for fucking rent money. C'mon!

Reminder that the sisters from the doxxsite are organizing to defend Niji and shit on Selen. The usual niji suspects are amongst them, I bet

>>68635740
At least she's willing to spend it on something that boosts PR unlike a certain company

>>68636023
Yes anon you're so right #sinktheyacht #buydokimerch

>>68634905
it's a corporate free song and Selen was not lying
So what are anycolor grounds to sue here?

>>68625773
Anon, are you retarded? What do you think preorder means?

>>68634905
No one knows at this time but it seems more like she retained a lawyer for defensive purposes. All we know is that there has been legal wrangling involved from both sides and both are being very careful with what they say, but clearly, Doki is winning in the court of public opinion. I will say that using scrutiny as a person who has dabbled with but isn't a legal professional so possibly larping and wrong, Selen doesn't have a 100% solid case because of certain things she has done in that timeline of events. But the main issue that invalidates that and gives her an edge is NijiEN's favoritism and judicious application of their own internal rules with regards to different people. The whole situation yesterday with Luca's ex-mod is proof enough that this is the case and this basically almost invalidates any offense legal action Anycolor can take.

>>68635012
True, but Nijisanji surely has a lawyer firm on standby at all times. Especially since they've been in a court battle for over 3 years regarding a talent named Roa.
>>68635210
I don't think a potential lawsuit from Nijisanji's side is about the termination, but about the reputational damage she might have caused. The termination letter did speak about "reputational damages" a lot.
>>68635290
That's on brand for them tho.
>>68636333
$150 million lost in evaluation
>>68636590
But what if the lawsuit is about the reputational damages? I remember her termination letter really underscored "reputational damages" in some points. One part of the 3-pages addresses the bullying, but there was a lot for reputation.

>>68637122
>The termination letter did speak about "reputational damages" a lot.
The letter caused more than she ever did, so the upper managers should sue what ever low-level manager signed off on writing it

>>68637323
You wanna see "reputational damage" look at Luca

>>68637122
They would gain nothing from such hypothetical lawsuit except for further reputational damage. So no reason to bother dissecting why they won't win it.

>>68636333
It's not the song it's other livers likeness she used without proper copyright approval

>>68634905
I personally doubt either party is suing, they're probably just making threats.

However, Nijisanji would be pretty unwise to sue. We're talking about the people who managed to lose a court case, IN JAPAN, against freaking Narukami. The problem is, Nijisanji is not acting like a normal company (feuding with, harassing, and chasing off all its top earners and damaging themselves financially) so they might actually be stupid enough to try suing, in which case she'll likely tear them to pieces.

>>68636015
>spent $200k on work-related shit
>didn't make more than $200k in return
How is this a complicated concept for you people? Do you not know the definition of profit and how it differs from revenue?

>>68626028
You are really one retarded dramanigger who don't watch streams

>>68630823
>>68632651
>>68633977
The termination letter clearly states that "management has privated the Song" was misleading not because it was untrue but because it lacked the reason. The song was privated because the management was still in the middle of checking it but she went ahead and released it without permission. An honest post would've acknowledged her own fault instead of letting people speculate about alternative sinister reasons, such as the management doing it just to arbitrarily fuck with her.

>>68637852
>was misleading not because it was untrue but because it lacked the reason
That's not what misleading means

>>68625773
>dramasister trying another angle and failing miserable but knows this and just wants to shitpost and get (You)'s
Will you just end yourself already mongoloid?

>>68626755
>nooooooooo follow my autistic nip rules

TWENTY MORE ATOMIC BOMBS

>>68638072
Honestly I think this >>68637852
is their current angle they'll focus on

>>68625819
She was already asking to graduate at the end of January. Niji refused and then terminated her days afterwards.

>>68637852
I'm preeety sure stating real reasons would require disclosing internal procedures and breaking the NDA. And she didn't lie in hat tweet, even by omission.

>>68634232
/thread

>>68631995
Anon, I've been working on a theory, my life's work, that I think is applicable: everyone has things that in isolation makes them look retarded.

>>68633527
Interesting rrat but the "permission to use ANYCOLOR materials" thing probably had to do with Mysta/Nina being in the MV.

>>68637721
>Anycolor forced her to waste $200k on unprofitable personal projects

>>68640554
Anycolor ghosted artists waiting to be paid for commissions so she did it out of pocket because she considers it a moral imperative to support artists. Anycolor then released a termination notice that painted HER as the person that skimped on payments. Fortunately the artists stood up for her because they knew better, and Anycolor was too incompetent to get them under an NDA.

>>68641156
Anycolor does not foot the bill for personal projects at all and neither does Cover. Something is clearly missing in the context.

>>68641638
I don't think merch qualifies as a personal project. Especially if she only makes 2% out of it.

>>68625773
>literally just got terminated
>already got merch ready
Jesus Christ, can women at least TRY to not be so obvious? I don't care if she spend 200k last year, shouldnt have done it to begin with.

>>68625773
Well maybe she had a plan B, which was most certainly what was going to happen from experience, and it did.

>>68625773
I mean she gaslighted people regarding the whole management allowing her to post it situation, you're surprised shes doing it again?

>>68642025
She was already in the process of leaving. Did you follow none of the drama?

>>68637122
>but Nijisanji surely has a lawyer firm on standby at all times. Especially since they've been in a court battle for over 3 years regarding a talent named Roa.
Yes, but they also lost against fucking narukami of all people, so it's not like their lawyers are worth shit. She would probably be up against an indian they had hired for Nijisanji IN, but kept on to deal with english legal matters knowing them and how they keep dropping the ball in english related legal stuff.

Anyone can accomplish this when they're not tied down by japanese bureaucracy. They're just pre-orders and mock-up images.

>>68637122
That Roa's case has lasted 3 years should tell you something anon.

>>68625773
LMAO dramafags really are low IQ idiots

https://nypost.com/2022/01/05/study-claims-celebrity-obsessed-people-are-less-intelligent/

>>68625773
All of that is a rerun of old merch.

>>68643566
dramasisters...

>>68626028
You're even worse than a retarded dramafaggot who doesn't watch streams, you're not even a fucking threadreader. Kill yourself.

>>68625773
Doki will make literally millions of dollars from this merchrun while the hype is fresh.
I'll bet she will still be "poor" because of x reasons in 5 months time. "Oh I spent all my money on my dog, I have nothing left", "my parents took all my money, I have nothing left", "I spent every cent I earned on projects, I have nothing left". What will be the next thing she has "spent" everything on?

>>68641638
According to many of the artists themselves, who if lying would be opening themselves up to AnyColor's lawyers, said they were contracted to the company to work on the project, not Selen directly.
Being a jaded faggot might feel good in this shitty world but it doesn't make you right.

>>68635740
Didnt she not have enough money for rent like three weeks ago? Is she like literally taking a loan for merch or something?

>>68644323
Still doesn't mean anycolor didn't deduce it from her earnings, may help "evade" taxes.

>>68644755
Asian families all have at least one doctor in them. It's a rule.

>>68626015
>Neutral exit
>Threats legal action

>>68627108
How much the livers get from a video ad revenue again? Saying she lost 15k and need to open merch to recoup is kinda retarded when the returns isn't going to be 100%, specially with niji tax on top of it

>>68629007
What?
Legally responsible doesn't mean a court case dumbass. Niji could accept that are legally responsible and the whole thing goes straight to settlement. It only becomes a court case if they decide to deny the fact they did fuck over Selen.

>>68625819
Did that happen before or after the suicide attempt that put her in hospital?

>>68629667
Because they would definitely say something else like "We're not really sure, but we think..."

>>68625773
She asked to leave, of course she already prepared. What is this retard post ?

>>68632651
Selen never specified why the video was taken down. So your point doesn't make any sense.

>>68634905
Nothing Selen did constitutes defamation.
>Specifically the part where she said management took it down
But management did take it down. The truth is an absolute defence against defamation. They have no case.

>#WhereIsSelen happen
>More reputational damage
Not Selen's fault.

>>68625773
bro its literally just a shopify store it takes like 5 minutes to set one up

>>68646416
My guess is, she probably already told management at the start of December that she was leaving, probably around the same time as Pomu. That explains why DokiBird becomes active again around mid-December. She was finally getting out and probably filled with relief. It was obvious that Last Cup of Coffee was absolutely her goodbye and given it's Selen who does seem to love her fans, she was probably really emotional having it uploaded. Then Niji decides to just fuck with her one last time. She becomes distraught because of all the time and money spent, and she probably won't get the chance to reupload it (Niji would drag their feet on permissioms for sure) if she was graduating soon thereby leaving her dragoons with nothing. She probably then experienced a total fucking meltdown after 2 years of this shit show just to be kicked in the teeth one last time.

>>68646586
>The truth is an absolute defence against defamation.
That's not the case in Japan. In Japan, even a true statement is defamation if it causes reputational damage. You can't expect the unpaid interns at Nijisanji to know Canadian laws. They just receive an order to come here and defend the company.

>>68647404
>tfw nijisanji likely have their lawyers stalking her to hit her with a slander lawsuit the second she sets foot in japan

>>68625773
another rabid nijidog barking at doki

>>68647584
I really hope for all the genuinely good people at Niji, AnyColor stops being such vindictive cunts constantly because it is actually going to kill the EN branch if it already hasn't.

>>68630714
At this point I default to thinking that anything Anycolor claims is at best a half-truth.

>>68625773
She was in the graduation queue, and then this accelerated it all

>>68630398
Even if they don't have their files it's fucking paper and acrylic. A competent merchandise company should be able to shit out a prototype in a couple hours if they receive new pngs. So the actual wait time is emails and negotiations.

>>68629448
>AnyColor didn't admit to criminal actions publicly, they even said they didn't do it
>so it must be true then

I hope to God you never get into any position of authority

>>68647584
what reason would she have to go to japan?

>>68648928
>being a weeb
>meeting friends
>general tourism

>>68640554
Can't be forced when 98% percent is from any color and 2% from her.

ndf is so mad right now

>>68635740
She's talking about a small loss on shipping, not the merch overall. Profit margins on shit like stickers and acrylic standees are generous enough that pretty much anything she sells will cover the dollar she might have to eat on the shipping.

>>68625806
FPBP FPBP FPBP
Love watching dumbfag OPs get fucked
GET FUCKED

>>68627108
That was before mane-san shut down her 15k dollar MV for no fucking reason other than being an utter retard

>>68626028
It's PREORDERS. She literally said in the stream that they have not made the goods yet and once they have the numbers from the preorders then they will get them made so dont expect delivery late March/April. They DON'T have physical goods ready lmfao.

>>68626134
Jesus christ you're stupid. These are from before she was even Selen.

>>68649725
>>68649725
>She only gets 2%
>She still somehow made $200k
Selen is worth more than everyone in hololive apparently because the most profitable holo is caps at $6 million usd while Selen apparently brought in $10 million. I wonder how anycolor hides it

>>68634199
He'd have to powdercoat it and that's really fucking expensive.

>>68648397
>Selen said they did something
>It must be true
Every recent graduation from every corpo has included some sort of sob story followed by oh yea we have merch in the works. Ironically phase is the only one that didn’t because they snatched the rights to the model and vshojo because those girls didn’t need sob stories. Most countries have laws against employee harassment but every single time
“I just want to move past all the bad shit.”
Ok will you be straightforward about what they did no NDA could stop you
“I just want to move past all the bad stuff but it is bad”

Like I hate when people say this girl or this girl isn’t holo material but those schizos might be onto something. I’ve yet to see a valid complaint because NDAs wouldn’t stop them

>>68658502
That's 2% on merch. They get 30% on supas after YT takes it's cut, and an undisclosed amount of ad revenue.

>>68629448
>they denied her bullying/harassment claim

Of course they denied it you fucking idiot, what were you expecting a Japanese corpo to say? Obviously they're not going to admit fault, that's why you hire the fucking lawyer

>>68656214
This anon said it was March/April>>68629464
Who’s right?

>>68659627
So we looking at 5k members every month and a minimum of $15k a month in supers because her ad rev isn’t high in the slightest?

>>68660081
Why would ad rev be low? Presumably it's pretty high because nobody wants their vods privated or age-restricted.

Don't forget to take those numbers and multiply by 1.8 to get the loony's conversion rate and then multiply by .4 to account for Canadian taxes.

>>68625773
crazy how much a competent MANager can get things done in such a short notice, huh
the illustrations were also already made and they're technically just reselling them

>>68660867
The standard conversion is $6 per thousand views. At the standard conversion let’s say she did a consistent 25 videos per month and they all broke 100k. At the standard conversion she’s at $15,000 a month. What it doesn’t tell you though it should be obvious is that youtube takes a piece of that which makes it $4.55 per thousand views. Now adjusting you’re at $11.3k a month. Now without taking Anycolors cut or the fact she doesn’t have a 100% NA audience you know how many vtubers are guaranteed 100k views every stream no matter the stream? Selen wasn’t one

>>68625968
Yes, i have had that daki for the longest

>>68625773
huh, imagine setting goals and achieving them. how many bait threads have you pajeets set for yourself?

>>68625773
Anyone who antis dokibird at this point isn't even human
You should be purged from this planet tbqh
You bring nothing good to society and actively tear down what is good
We would all be better off without you

>>68625773
This is all old merch.
Here she is selling the exact same stuff in April 2021, same pic even.
https://twitter.com/dokibird/status/1383262676852215808

Holy fuck, her old model was a massive de-buff.

She is actually watchable now.

>>68665617
It could definitely use some updates, but damn do I love that smug crooked smile.

>>68637964
>That's not what misleading means
Misleading is whatever leads people to get the wrong idea. It's easy to get the wrong idea from her tweet and plenty of people did.
>>68638775
Possible. Though later on they explicitly wanted her to tweet the real reason and she still refused. Also, no one claimed she lied. Deceiving people with half-truths is bad too.

Of course, all of this is assuming the letter is truthful on how things went. Which I've no reason to doubt unless she denies it. Then it's her word against theirs.

>>68626028
>doesnt realize its a preorder

>>68625773
what kind of sad fuck would make a shrine for a whore who collabs with males? Bitch tried to pull Hololive into her big homo collab.

>>68625773
It's almost as if she's lying through her teeth.
Men account for +70% of suicides throughout the world. When a woman attempts or claims to have attempted a suicide it's more than likely she's just doing it for attention and it's either a false claim or the attempt was disingenuous, especially when the person in question is living an extremely comfortable life as a streamer.

>>68626755
Bro, what do you do when you spend 15k making an MV? Do you just hope it makes enough back or do you try all your options? It still hurts my soul when a liver works so hard and they can't even get 200k views on an MV

>>68665617
New or updated one's in the works. She found out she was assblasted at the same time everyone did.

>>68671505
>he doesn't know
Selen can't Cook that's all. Riku was so disgusted when he found out one of his bitches can't cook. It was out of his hands at that point, he had to terminate her.
>https://twitter.com/ReimuEndou/status/1754946895951077887

>>68672262
I dunno, i thought her bento box was pretty sweet.

>>68671505
Nijisanji has seen the hospital records. They didn't think it was fake. You know why? Canadian hospitals don't fucking fake records to stick it to random Japanese corporations.

>>68659451
a lot of words just to say you're fucking stupid

>>68672125
>what do you do when you spend 15k making an MV
That's the fun part. You don't spend 15k on a MV, especially if you cannot afford it

There is nothing in that could not bw done in 15 mins

>>68625773
it does sound a bit weird

>>68632277
Another fucking idiot that didn't read the thread or watch the vids.

>>68672905
She can afford it in the sense that expected revenue over the long term would have helped offset much of the cost. But not only was it instantly nuked, she also got yeeted leaving her with a 15k brick fighting with likely JOP motherfuckers.

Notse Len

>>68672125
You hope it gets 130mil views like IRyS's roommate renai circulation cover

Cute merch

>>68625773
I wonder if she paid any of the people she commissioned to design the merch

>>68625773
I'm telling you the purple bird is grifting. She pulled an Amouranth on us.

>>68625773
>daki
>homocollaber whore
shameless grifter

>>68626028
>PREORDER
Plus, her new manager is actually somewhat a competent person and was setting up everything when she was resting. Enjoy the power of not being held down by Japanese standards of doing everything at snail's pace.

>>68625773
She talked about all this at length in her monetization stream

>>68675593
What part of old merch do you not understand? This was paid way long ago before Selen even existed.

>>68675757
Her new manager is an eSports team manager. He also previously managed xqc. The other guy helping her is part of Ludwig's crew and formerly worked for Shopify. I'd say merch is the least of her worries

>>68645721
You're the retarded one. She doesn't need to get 100%. Even getting anything will help if she has money troubles.

>>68626028
I fucking hate ironic weebs/ tourtsistslike you. Its basic entry level knowledge for anyone who isnt a fucking poor 3rld worlder that new merch is always a pre order.

NDF meltdown thread
sage in all fields

>>68648350
This. I work for a company that manufacture shit for casinos and things like that. If you emailed, we basically asked for specs and the idea, amount of potential units to calculate a preliminary cost and shat out a initial prototype in about 1½h pending the project of course (a wending machine cover takes obviously longer than a baseball cap) took pictures and sent those back. If the client was happy we'd invite them in to do tweaks or initial revisions with designers. Any competent manufacturer has a proto floor that constantly shits out whatever the design team or clients send them to look at it. The amount of slot machines, blackjack tabletops, roulette wheels, coffee mugs, trashcans, chairs, lamps, couches, floor mats, ashtrays, posters, sweaters, t-shirts, keychains, pens, hats ect. that's rejected prototypes or pending final decision sitting in storage is massive. If it doesn't pass we'd disassemble whatever was useful and destroy the rest.

>>68672539
Wrong, it was a canadian hospital, if anything they would have just forwarded her to the MAID program, especially since she was broke at that point. No way they would actually have helped her.

>Doki won
>Jp corpofags lost
that's basically it.

>>68630038
If we take everything on 4chan seriously most of us harass other anon all the time.

>>68625773
this is what she did before niji

>>68625773
Like others have pointed out in other threads. She had already opened preorders for old merch back in December and has been ramping things up since early December. Opening up her throne, getting paypal, streamlabs, and other platforms in order, and taking over-priced emote art commissions from fans (who don't need emotes by the way). This all started before her suicides attempt and then continued quickly after and has been going non-stop since the start of the year.
Either she meant she wasn't prepared that day, or she's blurring the truth for dramatic effect. It's not really clear if it's scatter brained incompetence or genuine lying.

>>68659451
You're right, it's definitely a meta at this point, but most fans already didn't care about this stuff before. So what makes you think they care about it now? It's just a different type of recoloring of the truth. The same way they didn't care about any of them before they joined a corpo, and only care about them now because they're ex-corpo.

>>68625773
There was a 2 hour stream detailing all of this. Most of it is old merch from before she became selen, the only thing that recents are the signed cards. But you faggots don't watch streams so I don't expect you to know what the fuck you're talking about.